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In the very first Chatterbox Redux Podcast show, Sue and Nick are joined by the original Beatles drummer Pete Best, also known as the Fifth Beatle.

Here Pete chats about the early days and how his mother Mona bet every last penny on an outsider on a horserace to make her dreams come true. He chats about the most famous sacking in the world and how he got over it and what he has done with his life.

The interview culminates with Pete's business venture in turning the Casbah into a Beatles themes B&B and Guest House.

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And welcome to the very first edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast with Nick and Sue. Our guest today is original Beatles drummer Pete Best. And now on Chatterbox UK, we're just lucky enough to welcome Pete Best. Pete, how are you, sir? Welcome. Hello, Pete. Very well, thank you, Nick. Thank you for inviting me on to Chatterbox. It's great to see you. You are world famous, I tell you. Everybody knows who Pete Best is as well as the other four and we'll talk about

that in time. But let's talk about you, your early life and how you got into music. Was it a musical home as a kid? How did you get to being a drummer, we know? Yeah, basically like most kids in Liverpool when the skiffle boom happened. Okay, which was late 50s, mid 50s. I ran out and bought a guitar. Like most kids in Liverpool did. You know, wanted to be Elvis Presley, stood in front of the mirror and shook my hips and all the other bits and pieces. I realised guitar

wasn't for me. I never felt comfortable with it. OK. And then I was always banging pots and pans on the table, you know, sitting down to meals. And when my mother opened the Cavsburg Club, which was 29th of August, 1959. And of course, you know, the famous band which should have opened at the left, Stewart Quartet broke up and they were replaced by the Quarrymen, which ended up being John George Paul and Ken Brown

and without a drummer. But it was actually absolutely incredible because I watched on that particular opening night. They didn't have a drummer. The feedback and the... atmosphere I got from them was absolutely fantastic. Little did I realize 12 months later right I would be asked to join

play drums. What had happened in the meantime the Corriemen broke up an argument over money after playing the Casbah for about six weeks and um Ken Brown came up and saw him and he basically said to him now and said Preet Mohler's in a bit of a predicament that's my mother Mohna right He turned around and said, I promised that I would provide a band for her, okay, which you know, play every Saturday night, because it was going to be a residency and residencies were

like gold in those days. So we had a situation and I turned around and said, do you know anyone? I said, I happen to know a couple of guys, Chas Newby and Bill Barlow, good guitarists, I'll ask them what they're doing to form a band. So went and saw them and he turned around, yes, it sounds good. Went back to Ken, turned around and said, got the guitarist, Ken. So I turned around and said, fine. So I said, oh, you're going to get to play drums. And he said, oh,

that single piece. He said, you're going to play drums. So I turned around and said, well, there's a problem there, Ken. I said, because I haven't got any bloody drum kits, right? So I went to see my mother, Mona, and my dad, John. And I explained the situation to him that I was going to form a little rock band called the Black Jacks. They turned around and said, OK. But we're not going to buy you a full drum kit to start with,

son. We're going to give you a snare drum and a cymbal and you go away and practice and bang and get yourself adapted to that. And when you think you're okay doing that, then come back and see us. And that's basically what I did, Nick. Bashed away for about three months, got myself up to playing speed on a snare drum and cymbal. And then the big day came, I went down to Rushworth and Draper's, which was the biggest music store in Liverpool at that time. Okay,

I'm talking about. 1958, 59 now, and there was a lovely old man in there, a drum mentor, I call Mr. Swift. And I went and saw him and explained the position to him and said, basically, Mr. Swift, I am a budding novice drummer and what drum kit would you, you know, point me in the right direction on a song and make a success in my life? And he went, well, he said, there's a drum kit over there, he said, which I think

would be absolutely ideal for you. And I looked at it, and it was the drum kit that I'd fallen in love with when I walked in. I'd seen it out the corner of my eye. And it was like, oh, God, if ever there's a drum kit that I wanted to that one. And that turned out to be the first drum kit I ever had, which was the Sky Blue Mother of Pearl. So once I got that, and I started bashing away on the drums, you know, the Black Jacks took over the residency at the Casbah. They started

to make my name in and around Liverpool. And then all of a sudden, you know leap forward 12 months and August 1960 about the fatal ball call of Paul McCartney which did change a few things. So with the you mentioned the Casbah club at the very beginning um was that the club that your your mum Mona started in the basement is that was that the Casbah club? That's right basically what had happened is she fell in love with the

house in Eight Hamons Green Okay. And at that stage, I'm talking now about mid fifties, early fifties, my brother Rory had come back from school. He walked past this house, which had been an old conservative club in West Arby village. Very dilapidated, very rundown. She went and saw it and she fell in love with it. Okay. I nicknamed it at that time. It was like Dracula's castle. Okay. It was dilapidated, but she fell in love

with it. She had this dream. So she went and saw my father John and she asked him, she turned around and said she's in a lovely house, needs a lot of work doing on it, would you be interested in buying it? And he basically turned around and said no, he said it's a big white elephant. So what she didn't tell us Nick, she went and pawned all her jewelry and she bet it on a horse called Never Say Die, which was a rank outside a 1954 Derby. being ridden by a novice jockey

called Leicester Piggott. Okay, which went on to become world champion jockey. And the price on that was 33 to one. Now we're watching the 1954 Derby and I'm watching my mother morning and never say that it's coming up on the laps and it's lapping and it's lapping and it's getting ahead, getting ahead, getting ahead, getting ahead. Anyway, never say that, shoots past the post. The winner, this cool, calm, flaccid woman

suddenly became the screaming Banshee. running around the kitchen, basically turning around and saying, I won my house, I won my house. Then she told us what had happened. My immediate reaction was, that's absolutely fantastic, Mum. What was the other side of the coin? You know, that if you'd lost and she went peace, I didn't even think about it. I never thought about it. So

she acquired the house. We'd moved in. And she was watching a program on the television about the Two Eyes Coffee Club in London, which spawned all the, you know, famous English rocksters, Cliff Richards, The Shadows, Judy Sherrod and Wee Willie Russell. I could go on and on. And she looked at me, she went, we've got sellers downstairs now, haven't we, Pete? And I said, yeah, they run all the way underneath the house. So she said, how would you think about turning

the sellers into a coffee club? I said, sounds absolutely fantastic. I said, when do we start? She said, tomorrow morning. I said, who's going to be the builder? She said, you are. Myself and a gang of friends, for the next six months, we blasted the cellars out. The back garden looked like a construction site. We had wire in it, we had cement in it, we had timber in it. you name it, it was getting dropped in there, sand,

slates, everything required to do the club. Eventually it happened and that took us up to, you know, a couple of weeks before opening time and then that incredible thing happened where the left -steer courts had broke open. They were replaced by the Corrie men and, you know, by this time, Mourneau was well on the scene as regards it and she basically called him. the Casbah, because we turned around and said, what are you actually

going to call it, Monty? And she went, well, let's keep it Eastern, let's keep it Eastern, because the whole theme in the Casbah, I don't know if you've ever been Nick, but if you have, or you haven't, then you've got to get yourself down here, because it stands in its total originality.

We've still got the Aztec ceiling that Lennon painted, we've still got the rainbow ceiling that McCartney painted, we've still got the salmon ceiling that Harrison painted, the spider's web in the band room I painted, Cynthia Lennon was commissioned to paint John Lennon over the fireplace, that's still there, and the stars on the ceiling, the last time we had them valued because they were painted by John, George, Paul, Ken Brown, Cynthia, myself. Ascender, right? Uncle Tom Copley

and all. And it was very much a case of we had them valued about 10 years ago. And I was only talking to Rogue the other night about this and that valuation about 10 years ago. Each star on the sea line in the coffee bar area of the Casbah is worth about 2 ,500 or was 10 years ago. And there's about 150 close to 200 stars

on there. so just that one particular ceiling alone right is worth quite a few bob you know so uh you know we explain that to people and people look at it and sort of basically can we touch it you know are we okay hands off yeah she called it the casbah and her dream was this you know the war cry was come to the casbah which allegedly would be that old famous charles buoyet film wasn't it from tangiers when he was alleged to have said it whether he ever said it and God

knows. But she had this dream come to the Casbah and that became the walk right for her and that's why we call it the Casbah Coffee Club. Love this, that's a great story Pete, thank you. Okay we get the phone call from Paul McCartney, fantastic phone call. Now was that an invite because they were going to Hamburg without a drummer or was there a load of stuff happened before Hamburg? All it was, I knew that they'd auditioned for

Larry Plants. They were calling themselves the Silver Beatles then, and they ended up back in a singer called Johnny Gentle instead of Billy Fury. And they went off to Scotland and they had a drummer called Tommy Moore, who was playing with them at the time. The tour of Scotland with Johnny Gentle, from what I'm led to believe,

wasn't the tour that everyone expected. And at the end of it, Tommy Moore was a little bit disappointed and he had a bit of a row with John Lennon and it ended up that he left and he went back to Garston Bottle Works and jumped on his forklift truck and disappeared into the wild, blew yonder for a couple of years. So that left a gap. I didn't know about it. And then I got the phone call from Paul, which basically turned down and said, Pete, we've got the offer to go to Germany

and you know, we need a drummer. We realize you're

playing drums. you know would you be interested in you know joining us and that was the question Nick that's how it came about you know and it was very much a case of well yeah I'll go and check it with my own band and I went and checked it with Ken Chaz and Billy and they went please we don't want to be professional we want to make something of our lives we don't know we want to be a rock and roller so I went to some other and explained the position to her and she went

well if that's what you want to do Pete go with our blessings and I looked at my dad sitting in the corner hidden behind a newspaper and he went where are you going son and I said Hamburg and there's only two words he said Nick he went be careful McCartney turned round and said, OK, come down and audition. I went down the following day, auditioned at the Wyvern Club, which became

the famous Blue Angel Club. And about 10 minutes after playing about six numbers, just box standard numbers, we got into this little huddle in the corner. Alan Williams came in, who was the manager taking us out. And they basically turned round and went, Alan, this is Pete, the new drummer. And Alan Williams turned around and said, oh, glad to meet you, Pete. He said, I've seen you playing before. So I said, that's great. So I said, there's one question, Alan, one question.

OK. So he said, what is it? So I turned around and said, why did you make me audition? You know, I've never auditioned before. You know, we changed drummers and all that. Well, simple reason for that, Pete. He said, we made you audition just in case you asked for more money. And that was the reason for that. A couple of days after that, Nick, we were on this incredible journey. So, Hamburg goes ahead, you scraped some of the charts, I believe, in your day with My Bonnie, I think

that's you on that, I believe. Even a German version was done, which did well in the charts, and I think it just scraped here. you know prior to Love Me Do It, My Bonnie I believe, if you go right down to nearer 50 or something, yeah they've been a hit here with you on the drums and everything else. A lot of people overlook that one. Let's move to the, I mean obviously Hamburg was a massive thing for you and the Beatles, but let's get to the Decker auditions which you're

on as well. Tell us a bit about the Decker auditions. Well, when Epstein took over as manager, okay, and I'm talking now about October, October 61. And he'd seen us at the cabin, talked to Bob Wooler, mentioned to Bob, who was the cabin DJ, he wanted to basically see us. And we went and saw him and he turned around and said, got a business proposition to put to you guys. He said, thinking about becoming a manager. Okay, would you let me manage it? He said, I'm making it

quite clear. He said, I've never managed a band before. Okay. And we knew Brian from NEMS, he was the record manager there. So we turned around and said, yes, he said, I'm being quite honest. He said, this is the deal. He said, I'll manage you. If it doesn't work, I'm not happy with you, I'll walk. And he said, that sounds fair. And he said, if you're not happy with me, you walk. Okay. So that was a consensus of opinion. Cut a long story short, Nick, we eventually ended

up agreeing to let him be the manager. But the condition was the main condition that we took him on as a manager. We had a record contract with Polydor and we wanted out of that because it was so uneconomical for us to keep going to Germany to record. We wanted an English record contract. So Brian and his wisdom went to the biggest record company in England at that time,

which was Deca. Mike Smith, who was the head and then came up to the cabin, saw us at the um the cavern uh dinner time session loved what he saw and the date was arranged for january the first 1962 new year's day okay we always say man and ask brian why did he pick new year's day 1962 the reason he gave was start of a new year you know new outlook new record company what a way to kick the air off okay we were looking at it as much as you're sending us down to London

on New Year's Eve, right? Yes. The kept talk he gave us before we went down was, listen lads, you've got the biggest record audition in your life, right? On New Year's Eve with the biggest company, I've got the biggest company in England interested in you. Behave yourselves on New Year's Eve, right? I like it. At two in the morning, Nick, needless to say, We are drunk as skunks

in the middle of Trafalgar Square. But the saving grace was Mike had been on the other side of Trafalgar Square as well so he was late for the audition as well. But we got it off and as history portrays now unfortunately Mike Smith opted to sign a local band called Brian Poole and the Tremels. Yeah I wonder what happened to them as well. Okay so um I don't think it's that I mean obviously in 1962 we get to the stage we

get nearer and nearer to Love Me Do. Now I heard a version with you playing which causes obviously anthology which we talk about nearer the end um but what happened uh you know the famous question is what happened Pete how did you how did you get The booth, yeah. I wish I knew. It's still a grey area, but it's something I've well put behind me many, many years ago. There's so many conspiracy theories as to regard to what it was.

Even though I've stopped worrying about it and, you know, my life's gone on a completely different way, when it happened, I'll be quite honest, it was life changing, it was gut wrenching. It caused me a lot of hardship and embarrassment,

but it's like everything else. You've got to There comes a time when you've got to basically come to terms with the situation of what it is and you suddenly realize it's pointless reflecting about what happened you know that's out of your control because of the you know the circumstances and the way it happened and it's like forget about that it's not about that you keep thinking about that you're going to end up very bit twisted and it's more about today and tomorrow and once

I came to To terms with that situation Then life took on a new adventure for me. You know, it was very much a case of okay Yeah, I agree. You know, I'm gonna reinvent myself. It's about today and tomorrow if people want to allude to me a Concern of the dismissal in my history with the Beatles fine. Yeah, okay. Yeah, sorry Pete best a new person. Okay, which is leading his own

way. Yeah, there is I mean, obviously fans say one thing or another but of course with the anthology coming out and we got we all know the love me do the got in the charts and of course there's your version now on youtube people can listen to just the drumming of Ringo and yourself individually and on that particular song it's the only one I've done Ringo keeps his rhythm all the way

through just the same the same. However, with you, because there's parts in Love Me Do where it actually stops, as in the song, for a split second, then chorus kicks in and stuff, makes

it sound great. I believe your version, you're speeding up and bringing the tempo up when that's kicking back in after that little gap when I think this John and Paul sit like together but yeah i know you know the bit but it seems like your drumming stops as well and then it's just then you speed up which is the right thing to do in my mind that's what happens on your version yeah because basically what people forget um until that was the arrangements that that was

the arrangement we took down to ami when we played it for george martin and ron rigid And it was very much a case of, you know, George Martin, basically at that stage, basically turned down and said, OK, let me think about what I'm going to record. He ended up being, love me, doing P .S. I love you, but he changed the format of it, OK? Oh, yeah, yeah. Basically, what happened was we had rehearsed it. So it wasn't a, you know, a drop beat or a skip beat or a miss beat

or something like that. There was a definite change in drum pattern to elevate the song. It

was brilliant. Yeah, yeah, OK. and it and it was that was the whole idea behind it so you've got yes so yeah i suppose in a way nick you've got two camps you've got some people who look at it and turn around and say always dropping beach left right and center you've got other people who are looking at and listening to it and basically turn around saying no that's a great blues version of love me do well it's which camp you fall into you know i personally and

i'm not just saying this because you're here i personally prefer your version because the tempo i do i really do you know listen to that more than once but including recently knowing you were coming on anyway got to the stage pete best got the boot you reinvented yourself but i do if i just make a statement here as opposed to a question i believe you pete are a great ambassador for anyone with depression or going through a rough time because I don't know how

the hell you got through it but what an amazing guy you are that reinvention and you must have had hard times and real downers but wow I look up to you amazing how you how how you got through it even you know it's one of those things you know whether people use me as an inspiration you know it's it's very flattering okay if I'm a role model for someone and you know that can help them possibly restructure their life then Good, you know, I've achieved some good in my

life, you know, for people who need help. I think you have to many people. I really have. You're a great example of it. OK, so your life, you reinvented yourself. What was Pete Best doing in the 60s and 70s? How are you earning your money and, you know, what do you do for a living and keep your head above water? Yeah, well basically like everything else, you know, you had your bride, you'd been kicked out the best band in Liverpool, which is going to become, you know,

the biggest thing in musical history. You had to basically prove to people that, you know, you were capable, you know, you're a musician in your own right. That's what I did. I stayed in music up until about 68. And then by that time I was married, I fell in love with a beautiful Liverpool girl, Cathy. who I've been married to for 61 years, very proud of that fact. Very

good. And, you know, I've got two beautiful daughters and four wonderful grandchildren, which I've spoiled the backside out of, and I always will. But, you know, they're old enough now whereby, you know, when they were younger, I looked after them. Now they're of the age 25, 26. It's like, yeah, come on, Pop, we look after you. You know, so it's my turn now to be chaperoned around,

right? But going back to it. Yeah, when I opted out of show business, I realized that the only way I could do it, Nick, and this has been quite honest, and a lot of people look at it and sort of turn around and go, oh, no, that's a little bit skeptical. That's a little bit skeptical. I had to basically turn around and say to myself, I'm waking up, I'm finishing with show business, and I'm going to become a regular guy and get a regular job. And that was the mindset at that

time, OK? I didn't realise it would be so difficult to basically establish myself. I had the educational qualifications, I hadn't gone to high school. I had five GCSEs, you know, which would walk me into any job, because before getting into rock, I was going to be a language teacher. And it was very much a case of I went and applied for jobs and I'd sit down, the person I was supposed to be sitting there and I'd walk in and go. Oh, Mr. Best, what have you done for the last eight

years since you left school? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Well, yeah, we will be in touch with you, Mr. Best. We will be in touch with you. Yes. Yeah. Thank you for the audition. Thank you for the interview. So I ended up a bit desperate, you know, I was getting letters of rejection left, right and center. So a friend of mine saw me, there was work on manual work down in the bakery,

Taylor's Bakery down in Walton. So I opted off down there, right, got a job in the Taylor's Bakery, slinging bread, loading the vans, and I stayed there for 12 months and proved to people I'd tend to order a new leaf, right, and then I had the offer from the Civil Service, which is quite funny actually because it was only when I joined the Civil Service I realised how many ex -musicians were actually in the Civil Service.

So, you know, it tended to be the graveyard for ex -musicians, but it was great because I'd be getting phone calls from people turning around and saying, oh, you're one of us now, are you Pete? Well, we used to be, you know, so, you know, welcome to the club. So I stayed with them and I got the promotional angles, became a trainer, manager for the Northwest of England. And then like everything else, I took early retirement.

Enough was enough. And then I didn't realise that my tapestry, my calmer, was pointing me in the direction of going back into shield business again, which is what I did in 1988. Wonderful. And yes, the Pete Best band, you're still very well known around Liverpool and the north west in general, I believe. You get packed houses in the venues you go to. What's that like? I'm sure you get a little bit of screaming still. I'm sure you do. Oh, I get a blast out of it.

Don't get me wrong. We've just done a mini tour of America. We got back to you, Greg, which is a complete hoot because we haven't been to the States for quite some time. So it's nice to go back there and shred the boards. But, you know, I've got a great band. I put a CDL, which is my anthology. When the Beatles anthology came out, you know, my band turned around and said, OK, we're going to answer that anthology with

your anthology. Okay, yeah. And that was, hence you say that the album was Heyman's Green, okay, and because of the famous ripping of the heads on Anthology 1, you know, the cover of my anthology, Heyman's Green, was that particular head, the missing piece. Yes, oh yeah. You get it now? Yeah, that's perfect. Okay, well that showcased how good my band was as regards being songwriters and being able to, you know, provide their own material. And we got greater acclaim from that.

And, you know, it's been wonderful that, you know, we tour, we're, you know, down to a rock and roll band. But, you know, we do play numbers from Hayman's Green and they're very well received by the crowd. Brilliant, brilliant. My understanding, I'll bring you in a sec, because then we'll close it up to where we are. Now we're painting this latest venture. But let's go back a second now.

Obviously, knowing we were going to have you on chat box, I looked at various interviews, TV interviews and radio interviews from the 80s onwards, Letterman comes to mind, great interview. But I understand that one day out in the blue, Paul phones you up, says, we're bringing out this anthology. offers you or gives you a nice wad of money, quite a few noughts, and I'm not interested how many noughts because that's not

anyone's business. But I think everybody, myself, any fans, anyone in the music business, including three messages just to me, everyone believes you deserved every last penny. You deserved it. But how many noughts? You deserved it because that was a hard old time, I guess. So good that came around, you know, just to have you on the end. Okay. Yeah, that's been okay. Thank you

for that. I don't know where that's come from because quite a few people that have had interviews with Sam and I said, oh Paul made the approach as regards to the anthology and it wasn't, no it wasn't, it was made actually. Makes it even better. Before we get up to the present day, any questions for Pete? Hi Pete, have you had from your fans ever chucked anything unusual at you when you've been singing? Unusual as regards what, apart from knickers and briefs and brassiers

and all the other bits and pieces. Oh wow, that was just a moment. Well not really, you know, I'll get the odd occasional jelly bean, you know, the odd spanner, you know, hammer every one again, few bricks. But yeah, the usual stuff, you know. Wow. Brilliant, I like it. I've got one listener's question. Well, they're two listeners because they're married. Norman and Linda Peacock from

Stockport. They would like me to ask you, do you wish that you had all the fame that the Beatles had or are you actually okay with the way it's all turned out? I'm happy with the way it's turned out. That's nice. It's lovely to be part of it and reflect back on it. Looking at the sacrifices they've had to make because of the fame and fortune, I've still got my own notoriety, I've still got my own little brand of fame, but I'm still in a position where I can walk into a pub on a Saturday

night and have a pint, okay. I can lead a normal life, so I can mix both aspects of being a rock star and inspiration, being a family man, and also being able to go for a pint on a Saturday night, if and when I wanted. I get that but I think the whole world knows the name Pete Best as well so it's great to be able to have it from

both angles. The Casbah is still there as it was and the business side to Pete Best, there's something happening there, I've got something about the Casbah Coffee Club Suite so tell us all about that Pete, what this latest thing is. Yeah Rogan and I have gone into We're in partnership with a lot of things. Rogue and I own the property, which is the old family house, which is Heyman's Green, which is directly above the Casbah Coffee Club. And what we've done, we've changed the

rooms in the house above the Casbah. And we called it the Casbah Coffee Club Suites, and we've nicknamed the suites. the McCartney suite, the Leonard suite, the Harrison suite, the chocolate suite, and of course the best suite. And the reason for that is what people don't know is the Beatles played here, not just in the cow spa, in the house as well. They partied here, right? They brought their girlfriends here, they slept here. Now we've made that available to the public,

okay? It's on Airbnb. We have been officially opened from August 1, which even we are open for business now. OK, so look at it this way, Nick. It's unique. People can stay where the Beatles partied, slept and played, right? They can go around, feel the atmosphere, be in the rooms where they did all those little attics, right? Feel it for themselves. We've decorated it. The decor is absolutely wonderful. It's another Beatle experience, okay? We've got the museum

in town, the Liverpool Beatles Museum. This is our next venture, okay? And we're looking forward to it. And it's available on Airbnb at the present moment. And we'd love to see everyone down here. All you Beatle fans, which are out there listening to the next show, chatterbox, get yourselves onto Airbnb, book yourselves into the Casper Coffee Club Suites, and we will entertain you royally when you get down here. And that creates you, Nick, and you believe me as well. Absolutely,

absolutely. We'll be there, don't you worry. That's absolutely brilliant, Pete, I love it. And always love a happy ending, a happy ending to such a story because it's an amazing life. Pete, I mean, you've probably done this years ago. Autobiographies, any autobiographies or self -penned stuff by you? Yeah, there's three books out there. The first one I ever got involved with was with a dear friend of mine, Pat Doncaster. He used to be a Daily Mirror writer, if I remember

right. And that was called Beetle. And our last escapade, I was involved with Rogue, and that was The Beetle's The True Beginnings. Which is available, you know, they're all still available on Amazon, so people go out there. you know, they still blow a few dust off the copy jackets there, you know, they're still out there and they're still good reads, you know, we're still getting good reports on it, yeah. Fantastic. So, anything else for Pete? Not at the moment.

Well, we're just going. We've got other interviews, yeah. I'm going to ask a question, this is going to sound so silly. How did they come up with the name The Beatles? Oh, that was long before I joined them. Sorry to ask that question. From what I can make out, they were very impressive, Budioli and the Crickets, OK? So they wanted something which was insect -wise. They came up with beetles. Initially, it was going to be... They didn't want it to be spelled B -E -E as

in the, you know, the... Colorado Beatle or the normal Beatle. It was a play on the word beatle. They were the Silver Beatles when I joined them, but transcribing what happened on our way over to Hamburg, they decided that they were going to drop the Silver, which they played with, you know, under the Johnny Gentle regime, and they were just going to become the Beatles. So that was, you know, It's trying to be like the crickets but also a play on the word beat because we were

a rock and roll band as well. Perfect, I like it. I knew about the play on the words and many groups have followed by having fragmented spelling just to be in with the Beatles. Monkeys as well but I don't know what a monkey on ease is like but there you go. I wish you all the best of luck with this B &B adventure, it sounds amazing. Oh you have to come down, you have to come down

okay. catch my coffee club suite make a point there's some things in liverpool that you need to see as well so there you go we're sorting out um pete i'm going to say one thing um i like the fact that you can come go into a pub on a saturday everything else but i'm looking at the the uh the the drummers of the beetles and of course there was also jimmy nickel there for 10 days and he was hoping he would take over however Not looking Jimmy Nickle, I don't know

him or have spoken to him, but you are actually a megastar compared to him. Everyone knows who Pete Best was. There's no question about it. Anyone that knows music does know you, seriously. Which must be great the way things have panned out now, but one last observation. You said you'd be flattered if somebody, you know, if you helped somebody who was depressed or going through a

hard time. Maybe if you do have a downer one day, think about all the people you've helped hopefully that will give you a lift up back because you I know you've helped many many people you know it's incredible what you've been through there you go Nick as I've said before you know I don't think about myself as being an inspirational factor but if people want to use me as a role model because of what I've been through and what I've achieved in life and the way I live my lifestyle

now at the present moment and end up being a very happy and contented family man and they Gain anything from the lifestyle of lived and what I've been through and and use it as an inspirational factor then for God's sake do it, you know, I love people to basically Make a success of themselves or live a happier life because I've been a role

model for them. Perfect. It's amazing and social media time website is Pete Weston website is pete's best dot com pete's best dot com and you click on that and it opens up to a whole load of stuff from from gigs to the casbah coffee club to what we've just been talking about gigs coming up i said your biography news things that are happening if you scroll down you can find links to other social media including x probably Twitter, Facebook, official Facebook's there,

there's a Facebook for the Casbah and some links to the Liverpool Beatles Museum that we spoke about as well. So pete'sbest .com it's all there, do take a look at Pete's website and Pete it's been amazing chatting to you. I don't think you're going anywhere anytime soon, hopefully you've got another business venture we'll have a chat again or something happens we'll have a chat again in the future but thanks for sharing and giving up quite a bit of your Friday for our

listeners, and I know they'll all love it. Pete, it's been great having you. Take care, sir. Bye -bye. Take care, Pete. Nick, any good lady? Thank you. Thank you. Okay, let's do it again. Please. I'd love to. Pete, thank you so much, sir, and do take care. Thank you. Thank you. It's been my pleasure. Bye -bye, sir. Bye -bye. Bye -bye. Bye -bye. This edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast was presented by Nick and Sue. We thank our special guest who is original Beatles drummer

Pete Best. Inquiries please to nickelbum at myyahoo .com. Alternatively, you could write to us or you could send press releases, CDs, vinyl, merch, whatever you like in the post to P .O Box 26. the Old Observer Building, Telford Road, St Leonard's -on -Sea, East Sussex, England, TN38, 9LZ. We thank you very much for your company and look forward to welcoming you again next time when our special guest is Rod Davies of The Quarrymen. Thanks for listening.

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