Eden Kane

And now here they are, Nick and Sue on Chatterbox. When the stars talk, they talk to Nick and Sue. to the Chatterbox Redux Podcast. My name's Nick and today my guest is Eden Kane. We're Chatterbox giving you all you need to know about musical attainment Oh yeah Chatterbox The best interviews with Nick and Sue Chatterbox The best news and reviews for you all Chatterbox And now on Chatterbox UK we're just lucky enough to welcome Eden Kane How are you, sir? I'm very well. I'm OK. Thank

you very much. It looks a lot more sunny over where you are, the other side of the pond, than it is here. Yeah, it's a little bit more than sunny here. It's hot. We're having a bit of a heat wave. But we're coping with it. Little air conditioning. knowledge of Eden Kane. I mean, I told you off air that I go back to the 80s, but being born in the late 60s myself. Well, dare I say your brother Peter was at number one when I was born. So it gives you an idea how

old I am. But my mum's record collection did have a couple of your songs in. And if I remember correctly, they were Blue Decker Decker label. That's right. Yeah. I played them. So I knew who you were when I started getting into music. So that's all good. And how amazing is it to

be able to chat to you? But tell me, how it came about why this song tell us all about that well uh you know different uh songwriters um i'm calling myself a songwriter now and they write different songs they write their songs in different ways you know and sometimes it comes inspirational you know everything is a figment of your imagination anyway so so basically whenever you get an idea for a song, you either, if you have the foresight to have a pencil handy or you can record it on

your phone or whatever it is. And so once you get a basic idea of what you think, this particular song, a little bit of rock and roll started out as exactly what the title is saying. It's a little bit of rock and roll, which basically, I mean, I'd written songs before. They were sort of country -ish and also a little bit like that, but not completely sort of a rock and roll thing. And this one isn't either. This is more of a country

song that kind of tells a story. And it's basically, I was inspired by a movie, as a matter of fact, by Marlon Brando called One -Eyed Jacks. And it's about a guy in a bar and he's trying to pick up a girl who's at the bar. And then he realizes that her boyfriend is a Mexican bandit. So I thought, you know, oh, that's interesting. Now I've got to come up with a tune. So basically that's that was the germ of the of the idea is

I was a great Brando fan in those days. It was the one one of the movies, maybe the only one that that he directed as well. And so I thought, that's interesting. Maybe I could make this into a into a little rocker, you know, and And it happened. So that was great. That's brilliant. So there's me thinking, well, maybe part of it,

the inspiration is your story, perhaps. Is there maybe some subliminal sort of something behind this, you know, that may have crept into the song about your life in particular, being a rock and roll star yourself? Yeah, no, not only that. No, not really. I wish I could say, okay, this, this had some sort of deep meaning to it, but no, no, no, it's just basically a little rock and roll song, you know, it's a little bit of rock and roll. And, um, and so, no, there's,

there's no hidden meaning. It's, but it's, it's a traditional story, you know, boy meets a girl or tries to to go a little bit further but realize that she has a boyfriend. So then, as far as the music part of it was concerned, that's something that came afterwards and then the rest is history, I guess. Great history there. What else can we

expect from you? song you said yourself you've been doing songwriting and you know right yeah my other songs uh you know the the songs that were hits in the early days um they were written by most of them were written by uh well three of them were for sure maybe four but uh the fourth one wasn't a hit was will i ask you uh get lost and forget me not were written by johnny worth uh slash les van dyck who also wrote what do

you want for Adam Faith. So my management said can you write a song for our boy type of thing and they said sure. So Johnny came up with will I ask you so he wrote the song and then I was kind of dabbling in writing so I wrote some of the b -sides they said well we stick your song on the b -side type of thing so you know that's how my songwriting started and now when I I got some good reaction from this particular song.

I was doing it on tour when I was on tour with Marty Wilde and Joe Brown and Mark Winter, Mike Berry. So we did quite a few tours together, especially with Marty, my old mate. And the band seemed to say, hey, Rick, that's a good song. You know, that you should make some... make an effort to try to make it make it work. And so that's that's it started then. I'm talking a few years ago. And so I decided to do it, you know, redo, redo it, you know, with a new producer.

Yeah, I like that. Well, you mentioned Marty Wilde and Marty Wilde is the singer that I've actually interviewed the most times. Seventeen. Wow. I mean, I mean, Marty, yeah, that's great.

You know, but I've got to ask you a couple of I mean, we talk about the song and where you want to go with it and tours and everything else in limo but as we got into the early days briefly a couple of songs a couple of questions one well both of these i've actually asked marty over the years is sort of like when you get out on that stage as edan cain do you keep your private persona behind you is that left behind and you get in on stage in your Eden Kane when it's finished

you're not Eden Kane anymore can you split the

two up or how does it work out? That's a great question actually because I'm sure you get two answers from you know you get one or two it's either one or two one is yes you change you become who you are you know so I'm Rick Sarsour once I get out of the suit and all that kind of stuff, you know, and I'm off stage type thing, that would be, if you continue with that, you know, I think that's kind of dangerous, you know, because suddenly you're going to be very disappointed,

you know, if you're expecting to suddenly be treated like Eden Cain as you're on the stage in real life type of thing, because the stage is like a fantasy world. It's another world.

there are there are other people who are who are they they are all the time some folk singers and blah blah blah and they they just are that person you know um me with me uh even you know even kane was is an act you know and and although i'm him and i enjoy being out there doing it um when i get off stage um i'm i'm rick yes great great marty's answer was pretty similar To be quite honest with you, bearing in mind he was having hits 57 times. Oh, yeah. I mean, Marty

was one of my idols way back and still is. I mean, from the old boy days, you know. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. With Cliff and Billy and Billy and all those guys. And well, there was a bunch of them. Even Joe was, I think, in that era, starting in the late 58, 59. Yeah, I've met Mark Winter said much the same, you know, it is different. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great answer. But it also it also means I can ask a great question to people

listening at home. But it's also not encroaching on you personally, you know, which is it's interesting as to how it works out because you've had a few years practice now. That's a couple. This is Nick and Sue with Chatterbox giving you all you need to know about musical entertainment. Chatterbox. Can I ask you, why did you not go with the surname Sarstet when Robin and Peter kept it? I know you were a little bit ahead of them, but what was the reason? Was it a management decision

or was that yours initially? Well, first of all, Peter, he came later so he didn't tell me that it would work. Basically, you know, people want to have like a marquee type name, or at least the management, you know, when they find someone and they say, I have to change your name, because in my case, it was Richard Sarstead. That's too complicated. You know, it's not going to look good on a marquee or whatever it is, because

they had a plan. You know, they were, you know, they were the guys with the big cigars, you know, so I got to make you a star boy. But you've got to do what you're told. First of all, we've got to change your name and make it into something more that's easier to deal with. So that was the reason. And then they came up with the name. And at the time, I was thinking to myself, I'll do anything. I'm suddenly being discovered, as they say. And so they tell you to do something.

And you say, oh, absolutely. just give me my 20 quid, I'll be fine. But it was just basically me agreeing with them saying, okay, you're going to be now Eden King. And so I went, okay, and it worked. So it does. Right. Well, it did work, didn't it? Yeah, absolutely. How does this compare in 2025 to early 60s? So do you still get this? Do you still get recognized? And is it a pain

in the backside? No, well, I live in LA, you know, to begin with, and also When I had my brief success back in the 60s, and we did try to go to New York, we did try to break into the American scene. We went to New York and I popped in and saw all these people and DJs like Murray the K and people like that. I went to the Apollo Theater in New York and I watched the Yeah, you know, I put my head in the dressing room doors of Smokey Robinson and the Supremes and all those

people, blah, blah, blah. But then me going in that day, this is pre Beatles, obviously, and, you know, British acts at the time, you know, it was like taking calls to Newcastle in a way, you know, you go with, we have one of you, we have several of you, you know, that's my interpretation

of it. You know, go back to, you know. go back where you're a little bit more, you're not the usual, because they already had their quarter of rock star, Frankie Avalon and Fabian and Bobby Rydell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and a whole bunch of people. But then when the Beatles broke through and the whole world changed, but at that time it was all about American music

and about American acts. Another one who was huge who got affected soon after the Beatles was different to you and Marty we say, but of course we did have Frank Ifield who quite amazingly had the Beatles support him, but when the four boys, you know, the Mersey beat scene came along, it did seem to affect a lot of these solo artists unfortunately and a lot of great guys. people were buying the record sale. What did you do in the intervening years from when that happened

to the present day? I mean have you always toured? I know you've done some of these tours with like Marty we've said and a few others. What have you basically done? I mean has the tours been almost annually or what's been going on over the decades? Right well over the decades it's somehow it was we usually started the tour it was usually a fall tour, I should say, starting at around September, October, November, in that

little section. And the tours were either very long tours, some of them were like 53 days, and the others were more, and then they eventually

got cut down to about 20 or 30. So in those days, it was like, you know, the 60s are back, it was one of the, one of the eras that was one of the most popular eras I think you know and then I was very happy to be to be part of that you know and when we first started out and there was a whatchamacallit a production company called Flying Music you know that was headed by Derek Nichol fantastic guy and a great friend And he organized all these early tours of Solid Gold and etc.

etc. etc. I was just happy to be there, you know, because I've been doing other stuff. I've been doing like real estate, you know, and doing work in the movies and things like that, because no one had ever heard of me over here in LA. And so it was great to go okay to go back. and then go back to being in Cambridge for a little while and enjoy myself. It was good. It was great fun. It's great. It's great you can be in LA and just

chill out and you don't get all that. There must have been a point in the early 60s when you couldn't go to the local shop or go to a pub. Those days were gone. Yeah. There was a couple of weeks back there that I couldn't. But basically I wasn't like wandering around saying I wonder if I'm

going to be recognized. But there was, there is a moment if you get to, I mean, when at the beginning of, uh, of the whole thing, when I, well, I asked who came out and then he said, and he goes to number one, you know, and people usually say, don't let that go to your head, mate. He said, you know, you know, this is, this is temporary. You know, this is a fleeting thing. So don't start getting big headed about it and all that. And actually, and I didn't, but there,

there were moments. you know, where you, you do sort of enter into that sort of persona and start thinking, Oh my God, you know, um, you, you became a little bit more entitled or you think you are, you know, uh, but you soon wake up. Sure. But then again, saying that, so we're talking about that and getting to number one

or forget me not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in 1961 or 62 when you couldn't possibly have envisaged it's all right saying that you know you could have envisaged in 2025 people like myself will be wanting to talk to you and talk to you it's crazy it's a miracle it's a miracle it's a flat miracle uh the But basically, you know, sometimes, you know, you try to be I don't I don't want to be to say, oh, it's all about the music, you know, it is in a way and it's all about song.

So when you first have a hit record, it's about the song because it's all they did back in the day. They just heard it on the radio, you know, and then. Then there'd be a follow -up if there was a success. So they never saw you until you went on one of the shows like Thank Your Lucky Stars back in the day or Top of the Pops and all that kind of stuff. Then suddenly because as soon as you get on television, then you're

that person. So I can't go... You can never go back and say, I can do that again because I... I know I can't, I mean, I'm way too old for that. But, um, but I can still, if, if you can still do something, you should do it, right? That's what I was thinking. I mean, and I would realize if they say, well, I'm way too old and decrepit to do any more of that stuff, you know, can't do that. Certain things, of course, I can't, you know, but But then you say, OK, I can do

this. I can still write a song and I can still sing it. So let's give it a go. Sing it pretty well as well, actually. I'm very happy with the way I found it. It so happened, that's true, because I live in L .A. and because there are a lot of people that I've met in the business and people who have become friends. before they became helping me with music and stuff, like

a producer who produced a little bit. His name is Michael Lloyd and he's been in the business for a long, long time and he's got a hundred platinum records on his wall. And we were friends way before I said, hey, Mike, I've got the song. Let's go in the studio and do something. Are you up for it? And he said, yeah, yeah, sure, let's, yeah, let's try it, you know, and so, so I'm back. And what about the video that goes

with a little bit of rock and roll? Oh, the video, there was an, we were going to do a green screen thing where there was going to be some fantastic things and people still do that, you know, where they're, you know, it's, it's all with the AI and the background, because I remember when I was working on Star Trek, there'd be a scene and the actors would actors would come out onto a balcony and then there was and we're talking 25 30 years ago and when the green it was green

screen and it was blue screen and there was thousands of people you know it took like Star Trek but back in the day Star Trek took eight days to to to film each episode you know unless there was overtime but and then it took six weeks for post post -production. So then they were adding all the stuff with the aliens and the backgrounds and the different planets and all that kind of stuff. So it's been going on for a long, long

time. So the video, I was thinking, and it was Michael who said, let's just do a natural one of us in the studio with you, not necessarily sing, but you'll sing it. But I'm going to shoot it from different angles, blah, blah, blah. And then we're going to splice it with all the stuff from different videos that you had done in the past of the hits. So that's how that came about.

It's great to be honest with you. It's great, but simple to the extreme, to the extent where there's a very young Eden Kane on the screen and then it just... Yeah, and then there's the other guy. I love it. Just the way it filters

through. There you are. having the ball in it you you're naturally oh yeah you know i'm saying you know i said it's it's a kind of a disbelief in a way where you're going out i'm you know i'm back doing something that i did you know when i was 20 years old 21 years old i mean wow um and um i'm very happy to you know it's the old saying i'm very happy to be here yeah this is nick and sue with chatterbox giving you all you need to know about musical entertainment

oh yeah chatterbox chatterbox chatterbox because like i said i've been following and waiting for this release for let's say within the last couple of years uh it must be that long we were talking to graham and people do they don't know might not know who graham is where he basically uh puts your tours together in the uk basically the 60s things Basically, in that case, people didn't actually quite. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Graham is a is a is a mover and a shaker. And I call

him my supervisor. But he's very, very good. He's excellent. I remember seeing Graham way, way back in the day. I'm in L .A. at this little club that I'm that I I used to work at three or four days. It's more like a pub. I call it a club. It's a pub. And and with lives. you know, and I happened to be in the band and one day I'm singing away and through the door comes Graham with Gordon Mills and oh, I said, is that Gordon Mills? So Graham says, hey Rick, we've come to

have a look and just check in with you. And if you don't know, you know who Gordon Mills was the manager. He was also in a group. that was managed by my management company. What the hell is the name? But, but also, um, he then became the manager of Tom Jones and Engelbert Humperney. So, uh, unfortunately he is no longer with us, but what a lovely guy. Just absolutely lovely guy. And he came to the club. Another time Graham shows up, then he's, then he's gone for a couple

of weeks. Next day, like about, I'd say a year or so later, in comes Graham with PJ Proby into the club. Oh my God. Where are you getting these people? Looking at Jim, I go, Jim, what the hell are you doing here? Thanks for coming. And he got up and sang a song, killed him, as he does. Incredible voice. And we had a nice chat. I'd also toured with Jim, PJ, in Australia, New Zealand. Oh, we got that. And obviously, thanks to Zoom. Yeah. Talk to people like me at weird hours and

enjoy the sunshine still. And it's pretty good for everyone. In the days of Tottenham Pops and you were there one day, then you had to go to Granada Studios and it was just all those miles. You could just sit at home and we get really good sound quality as well. Yeah, I know. It's incredible, you know, the advances that have been made, you know. Well, yeah, absolutely.

told you that I go back to BBC local radio in the ages and I told you and it was purely people you might have them on the phone on a landline, no mobiles then of course, or they'd have to travel miles and miles and miles to speech in a studio. That's what it was. Oh, that's right. Absolutely. And it was like a one on one thing. Now it's all it on the internet or as you say, zoom calls and stuff like that. Yeah. So you're

talking to people like myself, of course. So what else is being planned to coincide with this release? I mean, can we expect to this autumn or what's going on? Well, I don't know. Not this autumn. You know, these things take, you know, take time and also you've got to get the right venue, the right, you know, offer in the right situation, you know. And so if there's a call for it, I would love to do it. You know, if someone says, hey, Why don't we do a few dates or something

like that? I'd be happy to do that. But in the meantime, I'm, you know, I'm just very, very glad that I'm able to do another, you know, have another round. Brilliant. I do love the song. I really do. Thank you. Are there any other songs in the can? Because now you're writing songs. I mean, you don't just write one song. Yes, there's another one. that I'm going to do. It's a follow up. And as they say in the old days, you've got

to have a follow up. And so I've got one and I'm going to go and see Michael and we'll go on the shooting. This one won't, it won't take that long to do, but so I'll have another one ready soon. Brilliant. Looking forward to that as well. And I would be pushy and say, How about an album but we're we're talking about the second single when it comes and we're worried about yeah, right Yeah, look at some social media for you. I found edencain .com Eden which is a website.

Yeah Uh, yeah edencain .com here tells people I think all that they need to know a little bit on the on your brothers as well. Uh Yeah, this is pretty good website, actually. So it looks like other links are there as well for social media. Right. Yeah, it's looking good. Yeah, absolutely. That's it's EdenKane .com is my official website. And and that's where you could find and you could vote and stuff, stuff like that, you know, so which is good. Yeah, new video favorites.

Yeah, so that everything that everything people need is their EdenKane .com. Yeah. Right, well, I would love to chat to you about the new song as well, when it comes. The new new song, the follow up, the follow up, sorry. Yeah, right. Oh, absolutely. Sure. Yeah. Aidan, you're looking great. You're looking great. I don't know what you're doing, but you need to bring out a book. We'll talk about autobiographies next time, maybe, and a book. You look so good. Seriously, you're

looking good. So just keep doing whatever it is. Thank you. Thank you so much, Nick. I really appreciate you. giving me a call that'd be fantastic. Hopefully you're good with it and I know the guys at home are going to enjoy the interview as well and Eden Kane thank you so much for coming on Chatterbox UK. My pleasure and thank you. Thank you sir, bye bye. Take care, bye bye. This edition of the Chatterbox Redux podcast was presented by Nick. I thank my special guest who was Eden

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