Ep 15: Overcoming Anxiety with Self-Care and the Holy Spirit with Catholic Life Coach Christina Brown

I am a joy-filled Catholic wife , mom , business owner and a Catholic life coach . But none of what I just mentioned would have been possible had I not been rescued from my addiction in February of 1997 . Hello , everyone and welcome . Today we are going to chat about anxiety .

So , as a life coach that works with women in recovery or those looking to get curious about their drinking habits , time and time again I find that women are either not happy with their drinking habits or have seen them escalate , or they've gone back to drinking because of anxiety . They're trying to medicate , they're trying to cope with anxiety by using alcohol .

So today we are not going to discuss all the reasons why alcohol is not a good idea to cope with anxiety . That will be a different podcast . But today I am thrilled because I have Catholic life coach Christina Brown on the program and she is going to talk to us about how to recognize anxiety , manage it and alleviate it without the use of alcohol .

So I'm going to tell you a little bit about Christina . She is a certified Catholic life coach and a Catholic speaker . She also co-hosts the Thanks Mom podcast with her eldest daughter , grace . She has been a guest on multiple podcasts , including the Instagram live show Many Hail Marys at a Time I Love That and Treasures in Heaven .

Made for Greatness Empowered , modern Woman and Say Yes to Holiness . She is a life coaching consultant for Made for Greatness and runs her own life coaching business . Christina has been married to Paul for 23 years that's awesome and they have raised six incredible children . Age ranges from 22 to 4 .

She's passionate about living out her vocation and , in doing so , is invigorated to help lead her family and others to Christ . Christina is also a gifted speaker and enjoys inspiring and connecting with others in building up the kingdom of God .

I know that she would love to connect with you more about how she can support you in living out , with intention , the fullness of life that God desires for you , and I will leave all of Christina's contact information in the show notes . So thank you so much for being here , christina . It's such a blessing to have you here today .

I've had them in all phases . I said , you know , but just because of that doesn't mean that I know it all . So , from college , high school , middle school yeah , my middle schoolers exited . So we just are realizing like , wow , that's going to be a gap that we haven't had in a while , which I think I'm okay with . Middle school , wow .

So during this walk of my wonderful life here , just blessed and full , i didn't always see it as wonderful and blessed and full And a lot of that kind of came up for me in recognizing that at different points in my life I struggled , i think , with some postpartum depression that I didn't recognize to a lot later .

And in dealing with some of that and the anxiety actually that came out of some of that depression and going into different pregnancies had me reflect back and where I recognize anxiety during adolescence and puberty and things like that that were never really dealt with , not because we ignored it but more like you just didn't really recognize it .

It was like that was just life in a lot of ways And but I do remember a lot of different trigger moments and those trigger moments came up for me in recognizing some of my son who started to have a lot of anxiety when he was in high school and through that process of trying to get help for him And I can go through like that help type of stuff a

little bit later but that started to lead me to life coaching . My husband and I were just seeking different types of treatment and help and tools for my son . That led me on this journey of what is the Lord asking of me at this time . We have some substantial gaps in our kids .

None of our kids are spaced the same And they all came at different moments in my husband's physician and his training , as well as maybe in a stay at home mom , until this new found chapter in my life of life coaching And I stumbled upon that through trying to gain tools after some therapy and I was ready for something new and stumbled on to made for

greatness through a podcast . So there's amazing things about podcasting that I really enjoy , that you find so much help in So grateful to be here have started my own because of a lot of this journey and through many different podcasts and books , came to made for greatness and came into life coaching .

And that was through hiring a coach , myself realizing I needed some more tools , that I got into this like kind of survival baseline with therapy , but I wanted to thrive and life coaching tools taught me that And through that process I thought that I wanted to go into coaching because I received coaching but really through discernment , the Holy Spirit really brought

me to go . Know you have something offer to offer here , you have a story to tell . You've had things that have impacted you . I had always wanted to go into speaking or broadcasting but our family started early and that just didn't seem to be the call at the time .

So the Lord just opened these doors and put people in my life to bring me about to coaching . And I am a consultant for made for greatness And they're a membership life coaching community And I just saw this beautiful network of Catholic women that I was and was being served by that . I wanted to give back and serve .

This has been so life changing and transforming for myself that I wanted to go into coaching to be able to bring that to other women , and so I've been doing that for the past like 18 months or so And I'm just loving it . I'm really loving it .

It's just very life giving for me and , i think , very rewarding for , hopefully , a lot of my clients and people that I'm able to work with .

I mean , it's just so beautiful when you start recognizing that And I that happened to me through coaching too Like I didn't , you know , you kind of look back and see God in different aspects of your life , but when you do go through coaching and how it just kind of moves you forward and makes you see things that you just haven't seen in the same way before ,

it just is so just I don't know just like opens your mind and it makes you see things and be able to communicate with people in a different way , that deep listening , like I never really knew what it felt like to be deeply , deeply listened to and have that focus on me And then be able to articulate .

You know what I was feeling And I find that with my clients , i know that you find that with your clients just how receptive they are to that And just it brings so much richness to our thoughts , cause we think our thoughts every day and like they're going around and around and around .

But when we can have somebody pull out some of those things that maybe we haven't listened to , it can really change everything .

And I talked to my clients I don't know if it was , i don't know where I heard this analogy , but I've been using it a ton because I love it And I think of our life a lot as like a diamond , and there's all these different facets of a diamond And that life coach takes that diamond and has you look at it through a different facet , a different prism , a

different whatever

. And I mean I looked down at my ring my husband gave me all the time , but I usually only look at it from the top down . Like , how often do I turn it to the side or flip it upside down ? And it's still the same diamond . All of a sudden , though , there's this whole different world or whole different gaze or view that I have of it .

Now , just by turning it my head , turning the diamond , whatever that is . And I think coaching does such a great job of just kind of like poking at some of those thoughts that our clients have or self-coaching ourselves . I mean I have to do that every day , we all have to . I want to teach my clients to be able to do that , to self-coach themselves .

And go , wait a minute . Why am I choosing to think that way ? How come I look at the world through this lens ? What if I shift that diamond ? shift that lens a little bit , and how will it look differently ? Still the same world , still the same issues , still the maybe the same circumstance . But how can I think about that differently ?

And it opens up this really greater horizon and then we can bring in different tools and invite the Holy Spirit into those situations .

It's like wow , it blows my mind to see people uncover that and deal with different issues that way and how they approach whatever circumstances are in their life , and it just becomes so rewarding and life-giving and joy-filled in a way that I know for me , prior to life coaching never really could knew how to experience before , like I really needed the help with

that to go okay , i know what's going on in my life , but now how do I thrive here ? Where's those tools I need to get to that thriving point ? So , yes , i'm grateful to be trained in that way to be able to help others do that , and it's just life-giving to me and I see how life-giving it is to them .

I didn't know what that's , what it was , and it was at such a heightened level that and I'm sure many people who are listening can identify I had racing heart . I had like I thought I was going to faint . I didn't know what . I was having trouble breathing . I didn't . I thought there was something like medically wrong with me .

I had open heart surgery when I was 15 months old . So I'm always like , oh my gosh , am I having a heart attack ? you know something like that . And it wasn't until I went to doctor after doctor and they're like nothing's wrong with you , maybe it's allergies , maybe it's this , maybe it's that .

And until I got to this woman doctor and she's like you're suffering from anxiety . And I was like but not me , i'm like this , i'm the one that makes everybody else feel better . I'm always like , oh , it's fine , let's take care of it . So it can happen to any of

us . But what are some ways that they can , that we can recognize it before it gets to that severe That level , right That panic attack level is very scary .

I know my mom had it on her side , my husband had it with some of his siblings and parents , and so here I was could see that . So it helped me as an older adult , specifically with my kids , to have gone through some of that and then know some of that . So that can be a first thing is okay .

Where am I in the span of my generational , my genetics , all of that ? But what about when we're going through anxiety personally ? and how do we like recognize and stop those triggers when it's happening to us directly ? And I think we should first know anxiety is a normal part of life . I have an Irish dancer daughter . She gets nervous .

We just came back from competition this weekend . She's in the midst of building up to championship level and she goes from summer as a big time that she competes And she'll go . I'm nervous , i have that flutter , i have this . That's a type of anxiety That's normal , right ? So normal anxiety .

We need to know that When those old commercials like , do you feel sad as this , persisting for more than two weeks , that can be a trigger to go . Okay , normal anxiety or nervousness , i tell my kids , it means you're prepared . You know this is something heightened .

If my daughter walked into every competition and didn't have some of that , i'd be like are you even gonna perform ?

But if a toddler is crawling in front of the road , in front of you see a big truck coming , you're gonna get that racing heart . You're gonna do that . That's good , that's a good reaction . We need that because we need those hormones , those chemicals to react . You know , you hear about moms lifting cars off their kids . Why ?

Because there's this rush of adrenaline that they can like save their child . Okay , so we need to know that there's a good and healthy form of anxiety . It helps us to do things . That help us to get things done . When does it become bad ? When we all of a sudden can't be performing our normal day-to-day things .

When all of a sudden , you're like I don't have joy in this or I'm paralyzed in either what feels like a fear or , like what you were just saying , christy , of a type of you know panic , where your heart is racing , like you can't perform these normal duties or it's keeping you from doing stuff , especially things that maybe you used to be able to do .

Well , i know , like some people you hear about , like they can't just go pump gas , they can't go check out at a cash register , they're nervous to enter because who will they see in the store , or what if it doesn't work . Or you know where my son had some things of like going to school , he hated sitting in the center of the room .

We realized this later because he had an instance where the water bottle fell off his desk and there's all these people behind him and around him And he felt like he couldn't see them all , that they were staring at him Like and he would just get freaked out .

Okay , so that can be a trigger of where were we , what were we able to do that we can no longer do , or what are we thinking or feeling that's preventing us from doing things we might actually desire to do ?

Those are the first part of those triggers And then , when we can get there , i really I tell people that a lot of anxiety is slowing down And I know in this society like that is so

anti . It's like everything in our life is like go , go , go , just run the rat race , like I use the analogy of a gerbil wheel or hamster wheel It's like just circling and you're going nowhere , but you're running faster and faster and faster and nothing . And what ? how do you get off the wheel ? You actually have to slow down and get off .

And when we can slow down and that can go into you know different types of breathing techniques and things like that But actually like slowing our brain town to actually think and allow ourselves to think the thoughts we're thinking , to invite the Holy Spirit into them , we can recognize that there's times that were actually peaceful and content and joyful or just okay

with being so , type of contentment maybe . And then we're not . And so when we can slow ourselves down enough to go , okay , wait a minute , i was peaceful and now I'm not . Because usually you recognize it first in our body and a feeling like you know you think about how do you feel stressed , you clench up or you do these type of things .

But when you're peaceful you're usually shoulders are relaxed , you can lean back a little , you're breathing , normal , and so when we can slow down enough to go , okay , i'm not anymore . When was I peaceful ? We can trace back from that feeling in our body to now a thought . We're thinking when did the thought switch ?

And there was a thought that , oh , i'm enjoying the day , or look at the beautiful flowers , or it's . You know , i just love watching my kids swing on the swings , or I love holding my husband's hand and we're out on a date night , or whatever too . Oh my gosh , what about tomorrow ? and what's gonna happen then ? And oh , there's not gas in the car .

And oh my gosh , my kid just , you know , called an emergency car accident , or you know , fill in the blank , and it's like ah , and if we can bring that intentionality of slowness of thought to go oh , that's what triggered that Then we can start to go into a lot of things of now what do I do that I'm feeling anxious , we can start to name it , but a

lot of it is the intentionality of the slowness , recognizing when we actually lost our peace , that calm , that contentment , as well as knowing what is true anxiety that's okay to have and when now it's actually a problem .

And hopefully , if we can use those three different points , we can recognize before we're in this full blown anxiety attack or panic attack , in that way Mm-hmm .

Those are some really really helpful tips , because I think that sometimes we just start when we do start at least for me I was starting to feel that panic and it made me panic more , and what helped me not do that was I would just say well , i actually started wearing a miraculous medal , and so I would just say the miraculous medal yeah .

And I would just say it until it went away , until that feeling went away and where I would say you're okay , like everything's fine . So I really like that , just calming ourselves down , realizing that that tenseness and stuff , that that is you can , it won't last forever . We just need to calm ourselves down .

But I also like the fact that you pointed out that anxiety is not all bad , because when you go to speak right When you go on stage to speak you just kind of get this heightened sense of anxiety that tells you like this is important . You need to like take it seriously and do the thing . And I always tell people I do better under pressure .

So like if I have anxiety because I need to get something done , because it's due or there's some deadline coming up , i do better with because I've been able to learn how to kind of channel that anxiety into productivity in some aspects . So I love that .

It doesn't have to always be the enemy , but it's not always healthy , and so we can learn how to just kind of calm ourselves in and it'll go away . It doesn't last forever . That's what I used to tell myself . This isn't gonna last forever , it's you know .

Like you , what you talked about , you went to the doctor . You went from doctor to doctor trying to figure out what is this Actually ? it's nothing that's actually gonna hurt you , it's just a feeling .

So , when we can acknowledge that part like that , slowing down , that intentionality to go , oh , this is a feeling , i'm not in danger , this can't kill me And , like you said , christy , it will eventually go away .

How fast it goes away depends on who we can be and what we can be knowledgeable , intentional , of using , practicing into the next part , of how to deal with that , how to overcome it , how to live or move through it .

But a lot of it is that anxiety , if we go back really quickly to like why it's good , like that adrenaline lifting off cars , all of that We talk about , the whole fight or flight and all of those type of chemicals Like why are those there ?

Our brains were developed to protect us , because when we're experiencing anxiety , our brain is sensing that there's something that could hurt us . But really in this day and age our brain hasn't caught up with how fast our society has moved .

You know , they're still looking for , like the saber-toothed tiger that's going to attack and hurt us , but they're recognizing some of the chemicals that are being dumped into our brain for anxiety are like if there was a saber-toothed tiger . But here I am in Michigan , inside my home , completely safe .

I don't see any tigers out on the street , and so if that's going on , then really my brain's like trying to tell me but no , you're in danger , danger . And we have to actually use the words , say no , i'm not in danger , i'm OK , this is a feeling and this will pass .

So I think it's great that you see that and recognize that Anyways , because that is a huge point to say hi , brain , thanks for doing your job , you're here to protect me , right ? But really I'm OK , this is a feeling . I don't like how it feels . It feels pretty yucky , but it actually is just a feeling that can't hurt me and will pass . Yeah .

We need to do it so that we can be the wives and mothers and daughters of God that you know we're created to be . But how can Catholic women integrate self care practices into their daily routines just so that they can better manage anxiety ?

Because when we think of like , okay , my lovely water cup that I have here , that is , you know , if it's , if it's empty , and I'm always drawing from that to serve and to give to other people , then yeah , i'm just getting the drudge at the bottom or they're scraping . Is that what I really want to be giving to those in my life and caring for those ?

you know , i'm a six and the type of thing and it's like no , i can't , i can't be giving that , and so if I'm not filling that cup , i have nothing to give . That's where self care comes in . So I have a mantra that self care is not selfish itself less . It's actually giving and a way of loving others .

And so I think a lot of times we women think , oh , that means I have to get a daily massage , or I got to get my nails done or get my hair done . No , it means , okay , if you like baths , take a bath once a week , a couple times a week . If you like , enjoy reading .

Where are you fitting in that time to read where you just enjoy that or gardening , you know , yeah , i discovered I have a bit of a green thumb . I never thought that was me , but something about like cultivating that I really like and learning about , you know , plants and this type of year like spring . I got my birthday in the spring .

I got little plants . I like to just peel an annuals but I like learning about perennials and you know our yard is coming together . My husband and my father in law actually always love that and I think I him a lot with that , so that that's really cool thing like spiritual connection with that .

So I think we need to realize that that is important we have to . We can't keep always going . What happens ? we know burnout is prevalent in this day and age , and if we constantly go and don't take that time for self care , then that's huge , like there's nothing left to give . And what happens is who suffers the most ?

the people closest to us , because worry we don't have , we're just running infumes and there's nothing left . So I really , really encourage that into as you're just planning your week , as you're planning the next day . Where is that 10 minutes or 15 minutes ? I mean maybe I have a book club that happens once a month . That's part of mine , that you know .

For two hours or so we we go to restaurant . We sometimes discuss books . It's more of a girls night out . You know what I plan to do is spend it . Or or where's that brunch with that friend and how am I making that connection ? for me as an extrovert , that's really huge . What are you getting exercise in ? and prayer , you know how are you ?

you know culting by yourself physically , as well as anxiety , and all of these things help to alleviate the anxiety because we can recognize there's a whole big word you know big word a window of tolerance , and how much can we tolerate ? which in there ? basically , what can you put up with ?

And sometimes then we need to realize , okay , reaching the end of , like my rope , you know what usually say , or you know I'm going to snap , i'm going to whatever . And so I say , well , where's that balance in your life ? with exercise , with prayer , with Have you got on a married ?

if you got on a date night recently , even if it's a date night in , you know , all of these type of practices need to be finding that balance in your life so that when you hit that anxiety and you can slow down , recognize when you lost your peace , like how do you go ?

and maybe that's the outlet where you're like , okay , i need to go on a walk , or maybe I just need to go set my porch and breathe and invite the Lord in .

And one of the big techniques I like to actually teach my clients is about , you know , inviting the Holy Spirit in when we find those triggers that move to anxiety , like you were just saying , like it's not going to last now , like some time I saw your , your hands . Actually they went to your hands and a lot of times that's good .

I have another person who likes to put their hand on the back of their neck and it's like this connection with their body to just go , you're okay , you're okay . So , or squeezing their hand And just , and we breathe , but as we can fight the Holy Spirit and this isn't- just like you know , Lamaze , or breathing in for four out for eight .

It's like we can say . There's so many prayers that we have in our Catholic faith that you , like you were saying , with the Holy Spirit is metal , but I love like just Holy Spirit here with me . Now we do that on an inhale and that exhale help me to be here with you or the Jesus prayer .

I need you to help me slow down , to be intentional . I've lost my piece of work and I need to be focused on you . This can't hurt me . And how do I move forward ? what do I need here ? my tolerance is

ending here . Do I recognize , like even just looking outside , what are the 10 things or the around inside , 10 things I'm grateful for ?

okay , my four year old , right during this podcast , right now my husband's off with my daughter , they're having a fun day or whatever and recognize where we bring it away from the anxiety and that self care , recognizing where the blessings here in my life , where should my focus be ?

So the self care just wraps right into all of those things for getting out of those triggers and moving forward with intentionality and what Christ wants and where does he want our attention focus ?

And then if we use a substance whether that's alcohol or overeating or over shopping or whatever it is to try to make us feel better than that , just kind of darkens that too , and we don't hear God's voice as clearly , we don't see him in . like you , i loved what you were saying like just look around and see what you're grateful for .

I like going outside , like you mentioned , going for a walk , just like taking in that breath of fresh air , even if it's raining out .

I remember when I would have a like a panic attack And if it was raining now I would go outside just to feel like the rain on my skin , because it just made me feel like I'm alive , like it's going to be fine , you know . and so there's so many ways to do that .

And the mention of self care also gets translated in , like our culture , and especially in like wine , you know , with like wine , like wine is self-care . I've seen that so many times And sometimes , you know , sometimes it is a night out with the girls , if that's , you know , something that you like to do and can handle and that feeds you .

But when it becomes something that bothers you , when it becomes a problem for you , that's when it's not self-care anymore .

So I love saying things like journaling , or even like one of the things that I told my clients that a lot of them like is during that time , when they would normally consume alcohol because they're feeling anxious or they're feeling like they deserve it or they need a reward , is to like get some fun , like skincare and like wash your face and just like , just

pamper yourself or , like you said , take a bath , whatever it is that makes you feel cared for , fills your cup , makes you feel , you know , loved and rejuvenated that's , you know what it is . And I like to tell my clients make a list of like 50 things you can do when you start to feel this way .

So if you're starting to feel anxious , if you're starting to feel like you need self-care , if you've made a commitment to yourself like I don't wanna drink tonight and you really wanna stick to that , look at this list and see what are some of the things that you can do to fill your cup .

It is that preparation , it is that thinking ahead , and it's usually when we haven't done that we get in those situations that we are buffering , like you said , with alcohol or doing those things I like how you phrased it like the things we don't want to be doing , like we didn't go into the situation and now this isn't self-care , because I don't wanna be doing

this .

it's really like it's putting a bandaid on the situation but it's not really putting out the fire , it's not really getting to the root of that .

And so when we can bring that intentionality and invite the spirit in , when we're taking care of ourselves , but even through prayer , like we were saying , through breathing I love how you said it in quite our minds we can hear the Lord , because it's usually meaning we have to stop talking or tune out or remove ourselves from that and actually acknowledge what's

going on inside of us And , like I said , anxiety that can be an uncomfortable thing to feel , but when we recognize I can feel this and it can't hurt me , there's huge freedom there .

I don't have to go get a drink , i don't have to go , you know , binge on bonbons . I don't have to go do this because this feeling can't hurt me . I can actually start to move through the process of either healing or overcoming and growth when I can sit with a feeling that feels kind of yucky And coaching . I call it like this , like river of misery .

We have to wait through for it And sometimes it's only 90 seconds of going yuck , this is anxiety . This doesn't feel good . But oh yeah , okay , i was peaceful here . And then I thought about all the stuff that I have to do tomorrow . And then we start to poke holes in like , well , do I have to do that ? Who's telling me I have to do that ?

What's going on ? And then we go , oh well , what actually needs to get done tomorrow ? Well , i have to take Suzy to the doctor . That's really all that needs to get done , or whatever . And maybe you do have a big list , but how you show up to that list , then it goes okay , well , this is the big list that gets done .

So how do I wanna show up to that ? And now I'm bringing control to the situation . This isn't happening to me . This isn't . I'm not a victim to things in my life . I can invite the spirit and say God , how do you wanna me to show up to this busy day tomorrow ? It's very full . But how can I show up to this ? Cause we're processing the motions now .

We're not buffering and going . I just don't wanna think about it , just don't wanna think about it . And then what do we turn to ? What do we turn to with that ? To buffer with that ? So we don't have to think about it .

I mean , it can be just scrolling on the phone , it can just be , looking through the channels , it might not be , you know , guzzling a bottle of wine . You know , whatever it is , it's either avoiding by buffering with something , or it's bringing the intentionality and inviting the Holy spirit in and go okay . So how can I show up to this ?

And how can I move ? And how do you want me to do this , lord ? And there is so much freedom in that This can't hurt me . It might be uncomfortable , but God's here And he wants to do it . All he wants me to do is go . How do you want me to , lord , show me . And then he goes oh , i'll show you . Oh , she was the grace you need .

Oh , you're gonna rely on me in their faith , you're gonna jump . Oh , then I will catch you and I will carry you And I'm like , oh , thank you , jesus , i don't have to have all the answers .

I can just walk in and , depending on you , and you're my dad and you can just care of me , and it's like , oh , thank you , god , the Father , for doing that , you know , and it's just bringing awareness and recognition to that And I think that there's so much freedom that , like you said , in letting the Holy Spirit come in and just work in us , Yes , yeah ,

just turning our face to God and asking like , what can you do ?

Take off what we don't have to do . Learn to say no to something So we can say yes to other things . But ask God , where do you want me Bring me peace in whatever situation ?

I need to have clarity around or whatever it is , because you're right , it does bring so much freedom And those graces are real , like when you just feel them flooding in , it's just like amazing .

And you can't get there until you're ready to get messy , because I always say like when I clean something , it freaks my husband out , but I like take everything out And there's like this big mess in the room . But I like that because then I can look at each thing . It's like , okay , here's the mess . Are we going to trash this ?

Is it not serving us anymore ? Are we going to keep this and find a spot for it ? Is this something that could help somebody else ? Maybe it's their thing to carry , not my thing to carry , maybe I picked something up that isn't for me . And yeah , to do all of that , and it just kind of helps clean it up .

Those emotions are there for a reason And they tell us like you need to act on this . But if you're drowning it out so you don't have to feel it , then you're not going to be able to deal with it until you stop and look at it . Like you just have to stop and look at it and face it and then deal with it .

This is a mother-daughter thing And it wasn't when it for I I'm kind of in that gap , like it didn't come out live when I was at whatever you know either age or kind of in that gap . But then , anyway , great show And we .

It was in my journey of podcasting or not sorry , of life coaching that the podcast came up because , like I had said , i always wanted to speak , i always had this desire for doing that . I was looking for , like , what does God have for me ? Where do you do this ? I thought about it But I kind of was like , oh , i don't know enough .

You know , i'm not one of those young hipsters that knows , my daughter had kind of been like this is my eldest daughter . And she's like , oh , i thought that'd be fun . And talking with my coach , then she's like , well , why not , why don't you do that ?

So we started podcasting when she was in the middle of her college career . She , like I said , she just graduated . So we've been podcasting for about two years yeah , two years this month actually And it started just with anything like fashion , to books , to movies , but from two different perspectives .

You know young kid just hit in 20 , you know 1920 at the time . And then here's this mom of six and her forties and you know totally different life perspectives , like especially with fashion and books or movies or whatever .

But there was overlap And the end result always was similar like trying to get to the end goal , but how we got about it there , like studying on campus life , things like that . And here I'm the stay at home mom with kids in all the age ranges And she's , you know , not even at the same state of life at all .

So our tagline is living out the extraordinary and the ordinary . So all of it ties back to like OK , if it's about , you know , movies , where's the extraordinary in this ordinary ?

And when we talk about that in other things like how do you see those themes throughout that We did a whole series or one , or season two is all on fruits of the spirit And we've had many different guests , like Mary Lennonberg spent on , larissa Horne from Made for Greatness and anywhere in between , and Christy is going to be on in the next couple of weeks

with us . So we're , going to be back in four , so I can't wait to have you on . And , yeah , so we're weekly . Podcasts are right in between , right now , season four and season five . So May and here is just been insane . She graduated first in travel , so we'll be getting back on . Our new season is ruling out soon , so we're in the middle of that .

So we love your listeners to come over and support the Thanks Bon podcast And I appreciate you asking about it . And let me tell you a little bit about it .

So if you go through , like your podcast like I went through your podcast and I picked out some and I was like , oh , this is so great And you just learn things about yourself and about life And , like you said , it's so neat that you have like this gap of perspectives , like you and I are in the same boat , and then you have like your young daughter , who

is like has a different perspective , but but it centers around faith and you know just , and it just kind of brings it all together because that's where the connection and the you know , commonality is And I think that's so good . So keep up the good work and I can't wait to be on your program And , yeah , it'll be fun .

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