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Day 66: True God and True Man (2025)

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Father Mike Schmitz delves into the foundational Catholic teaching that Jesus Christ is true God and true man, a single divine person possessing both divine and human natures. The episode examines various historical heresies, such as Gnosticism, Arianism, Nestorianism, and Monophysitism, which challenged this core belief. Through discussions of ecumenical councils like Nicaea, Ephesus, and Chalcedon, he explains how the Church defended and clarified the mystery of the Incarnation and why these truths are essential for understanding redemption. Listeners will gain a deeper appreciation for Christ's identity and Mary's title as Mother of God.

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We explore the truth that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man; he is one person with two natures, both Divine and human. Fr. Mike explains that we call Mary the Mother of God because, from the very moment of his conception, Jesus was fully God and fully human. Fr. Mike also goes over heresies in the history of the Church that have denied the humanity of Christ, rejected the divinity of Christ, or confused the fact that Jesus is the Son of God by nature. The Church has always responded by affirming that Jesus Christ is truly the Son of God who became a man and our brother without ceasing to be God and Lord. Today’s readings are Catechism paragraphs 464-469.

This episode has been found to be in conformity with the Catechism by the Institute on the Catechism, under the Subcommittee on the Catechism, USCCB.

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Please note: The Catechism of the Catholic Church contains adult themes that may not be suitable for children - parental discretion is advised.

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Intro / Opening

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Hi, my name is Father Mike Schmitz, and you're listening to the Catechism in the Year podcast, where we encounter God's plan of sheer goodness for us, revealed in scripture and passed down through the tradition of the Catholic faith. The Catechism in a Year is brought to you by Ascension. In 365 days, we'll read to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, discovering our identity and God's family as we journey together toward our heavenly home. It is day sixty.

We're reading paragraphs 464 to 469. As always, I am using the Ascension edition of the Catechism, which includes the foundations of faith approach, but you can follow along with any recent version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Also, if you want to download your own catechism in your reading plan, you can visit Ascension Precious. Press.com slash CIY And lastly, you can click follow or subscribe in your podcast app for daily updates and daily notifications so they come right to your

Introduction to Christ's Incarnation

phone or wherever you're listening on this to this podcast, it'd be great. You can subscribe, you can follow. You know, as I said, is day 66. We're reading paragraphs 464 to 469. Yesterday we talked about um why. Why did the Son of God became man? Why did the word become flesh?

And we answered that question by saying, He came to save us, by reconciling us to the Father. That remember that was the first reason. Secondly, that we might know God's love. Third, to be our model of holiness, and fourth, so we could become partakers of the divine nature. And just in remarkable, right? Well today

We're I the church. Gosh, it's one thing to say. It's one thing to say, Jesus Christ is truly God. You know, Jesus Christ is Lord. We talked about that a couple of days ago. But then the question comes up, well, what do you mean? What do you mean that Jesus Christ is true God and true man?

And so what happens is we're going to look at today the heresies, basically the challenges to the understanding of who Jesus truly is, right? We know that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, become flesh.

But what does that mean, right? What does it mean to say that Jesus is true God and true man? What does it mean to say he's both divine and human? And so we're gonna look at a couple different heresies. We're gonna look at um the fact that the first heresy, really first heresies that popped up were actually more d denied Christ's humanity than they d denied Christ's divinity. The first thing was actually he only appeared to be human. He didn't really become human.

one of the first heresies. We also looked at we're gonna look at the Nestorian heresy. And the st the the Nestorian heresy uh was regarded Jesus Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God's Son. And so we had to we have to clarify that that no, Jesus is a has one is is a one divine person

with a human nature and a divine nature, right? He's one divine person with two natures, human and divine. That's gonna be very, very important. It's got that was Council of Ephesus talked about that. We're also gonna talk it was a Council of Ephesus that proclaimed that Mary Is truly the Theotokos, right? She is truly the mother of God because the person, the being, uh, the one who was conceived in her womb was truly.

the son of God was from the moment of his conception, had already been, it had eternally been, in fact, the Son of God who became man at one point in time. Right? So he and it's incredible, right? He joined himself, his this this divine person joined his Divine nature.

to human nature, which is remarkable, right? So then after that, of course, the Monophysites They affirmed that when the second person of the Trinity, you know, the oldly begotten Son of the Father, joined his divine nature to the human nature, that the human nature had ceased to exist. And so that was why in four fifty one the Council of Chalcedon confessed that nope, actually that human nature and that divine nature Coexisted essentially, you want to say it like that.

in one divine person, in one we could say it like this, in one hypostasis. That's the uh the technical term here. Um yeah again, you guys, it's it's remarkable. But this is these are some of the heresies that came up and asked the question

What is it to say that Jesus is Lord? What is it to say that He is the Son of God? You know, I it is our misunderstanding of some of these heresies and the church's subsequent clarification of this that I don't know if you ever go go online and typically in our conversations with um Not just our conversations with non-Christians generically, but there are a number of Muslims, uh, our Muslim friends who I would say this, since we have lacked a degree of clarity

And the way we've articulated how Jesus Christ is truly God and truly man, there are a number of Muslim you might call them call them apologists. who um kind of basic I wanna I don't wanna say it like this, but kind of twist in some ways. the Catholic teaching about who Jesus truly is in order to deny his divinity. Now, for us, we want to understand who Jesus truly is so that we can love him, right? So we can know the truth and we can love him in truth.

But also so that we can explain it. Again, not just to our Muslim friends, but to any any friend, to be able to say, when they ask us, what do you mean that Jesus Christ is true God and true man? What do you mean that he is both human and divine? To be able to say It at least in some ways. Oh, we're not saying this or we're not saying that, but we are saying, you know, this other thing.

That's what we're kind of looking at today. And again, it's going to be there might be some new words that you I have never heard of before, like Gnosticism or Gnostic Docitism. That's one of the that's one of the first heresies we're going to talk about a little bit. Uh, the name Nestorian. We come from a guy named Nestorius. It just happens to be his name, so they named the heresy after the guy. So I guess if you become

you know, influential enough in your heresy, then you get to have a heresy named after you. So like the Arian heresy, named after Arius. Um, but nonetheless, what we're looking for is the ability not only to know who God is so we can love him, but also to be able to explain So again, not to be confused. There might be some kind of words you might not have heard. Um Gnostic, docetism, Nestorianism, um homoousius, these these words.

You're gonna get the context as we move along. So just invite you not to be dist distracted or sidetracked by some words that might Um not be immediately apparently understandable, but know that we're gonna give some context ultimately. Okay, so here we go. Let's get started, let's pray, and then launch into paragraphs four hundred and sixty four to four sixty nine. Father in heaven, we know that you've given us your only begotten Son. We know that in Jesus Christ, one divine person.

There were two natures, human and divine. In so many ways we don't know how the details, in so many ways we don't know exactly what that means. Father, we ask you to help us to understand how your eternal only begotten son is. Entered into time and entered into our world, into this in this life in a unique way, in a unique way in the incarnation. Help us to understand it m just more deeply today so that we can love you and

And rejoice and give you praise and glory for what you have done in our lives and in the life of every human being. By uniting your divinity to our humanity, you have forever changed our humanity. And then we thank you. Help us to live like this this day and every day. We make this prayer in Jesus' name. Amen. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Okay, so we're gonna dive into that again. It's day sixty-six. We're reading paragraphs 464 to 469. Here we go.

Catechism: True God, True Man

True God and true man. The unique and altogether singular event of the incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human and He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man. During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified it.

The first heresies deny not so much Christ's divinity as his true humanity, such as Gnostic docetism. From apostolic times, the Christian faith has insisted on the true incarnation of God's Son come in the flesh. But already in the third century, the church, in a council at Antioch, had to affirm against Paul of Semesota that Jesus Christ is Son of God by nature and not by adoption.

The first ecumenical council of Nicaea in three hundred twenty five confessed in its creed that the Son of God is begotten, not made. consubstantial, that is homousius with the Father, and condemned Arius, who had affirmed that the Son of God came to be from things that were not, and that he was from another substance than that of the Father.

The Nestorian heresy regarded Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God's Son. Opposing this heresy, Saint Cyril of Alexandria and the Third Ecumenical Council at Ephesus in four hundred thirty one confessed that that the Word, uniting to himself in His person, the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man. Christ's humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it and made it his own from his conception.

For this reason, the Council of Ephesus proclaimed in four hundred thirty one that Mary truly became the mother of God by the human conception of the Son of God in her womb, stating Mother of God is Not that the nature of the word or his divinity received the beginning of its existence from the Holy Virgin, but that, since the holy body, animated by a rational soul, which the Word of God united to himself according to the hypostasis, was born from her.

The word is said to be born according to the flesh. The Monophysites affirmed that the human nature had ceased to exist as such in Christ when the divine person of God's Son assumed it. Faced with this heresy, the fourth ecumenical council at Chalcedon in four hundred fifty one confessed Following the Holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. The same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity.

The same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body, consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity, and consubstantial with us as to his humanity, like us in all things but sin. He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity, and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God.

We confess the one and the same Christ, Lord, and only begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between the natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person, or prosopon, and one hypostasis.

After the Council of Chalcedon, some made of Christ's human nature a kind of personal subject. Against them, the Fifth Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in five fifty three confessed that There is but one hypostasis or person, which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity. Thus, everything in Christ's human nature is to be attributed to his divine person as its proper subject, not only his miracles, but also his sufferings, and even his death.

He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, is true God, Lord of glory, and one of the Holy Trinity. The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother. What he was, he remained, and what he was not, he assumed, sings the Roman Liturgy. And the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom proclaims and sings.

O only begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the Holy Mother of God and ever Virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified. O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us.

Early Heresies and Church Responses

Okay, so it's incredible. You know, one of the reasons why Why we have church councils is because there are challenges, right? There are misunderstandings. There are teachings that are contrary to the faith. And so the church has to answer and has has to say, Okay, what is the truth? What is it that we actually believe?

What is it that we actually know about Jesus or or about any of the the mysteries of our faith? And so here we go from the very, very beginning, we recognize that the first heresies Um, denied not so much Christ's divinity as his true humanity. You know, for for Gnostics, it was um the material world that was. you know, evil. It was m fallen and it was what we needed to to to shake off. And so

they would say that no, i it would be improper to divinity to actually take on humanity, to actually get hungry, to actually digest, to actually sleep, like all these things. And not only that, to suffer and to die, that was that was so abhorrent to them. That they deny Christ's divinity or sorry, he they denied his humanity in the first place. And yet, from apostolic times, from the very beginning, we have the Christian faith has insisted the true incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Come in the flesh. So that's so important. There's also the other heresy in the third century, it says here in paragra four hundred sixty five. in the church council at Antioch had to affirm against this guy named Paul of Samosota that Jesus Christ is son of God by nature and not by adoption. Because Paul of Samosota was saying that he was

the Son of God, oh but only by adoption. Meaning, here is the gospel story that talks about how Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River. The Holy Spirit comes upon him, and the Father declares, This is my my son. And so Paul of Samosota would claim That will that that's when the Father adopted Jesus. That's when if he had divinity, that's when it came upon him. And the church is like, no, absolutely not. Um very, very important to recognize that Jesus is the Son of God by nature, not by adoption.

We're son of once we're sons and daughters of God by adoption. Jesus Christ is unique. He is the Son of God by nature. Always, always the Son of God. Next we have the first ecumenical council in Nicaea, big ecumenical council. You know what year that was. That was three twenty five. It's one of those years that people just remember, Council of Nicaea, year three twenty five. And so put that put that in the old brain bucket. Um because there was a guy named Arius.

And the Aryan heresy was massively, massively popular. And so the church had to speak out against the Aryan heresy. And what happened? What the the the Council of Nicaea in what year? Three twenty five, that's right. said that no, the Son of God is begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father. We say that every single Sunday. Consubstantial, that Greek word is homoousius, so of the same substance. That, you know, Arius had said that

The Son of God came to be from things that were not. There was another t there was a time when the Son of God did not exist. And very, very important in Council of Nicaea that we ha that we clarified and affirmed, now Jesus Christ is eternally begotten of the Father, of the same substance. Consubstantial with the Father. So whenever you say that this Sunday coming up, whenever that's that that's coming, um, realize we say that because there was the the heresy.

Nestorianism and Mary's Divine Motherhood

that denied the fact that Jesus is true God and true man. Now, after this we have the Nestorian heresy. No, I say after this, but you know, all these things, they kind of swirl a little bit too. Sometimes they happen chronologically and sometimes they happen concurrently. the Nestorian heresy regarded Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God's Son, and so the Council of Ephesus, in four hundred thirty one, had to declare that no, Jesus.

is a divine person with two natures. A nature that is human and a nature that is divine. He has divine nature and human nature, but he's one divine person. Another way to say it here at Council of Ephesus says

That the word, uniting to himself in his person, the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man. That as four hundred sixty six paragraph says Christ's humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God who assumed it and made it his own from the moment of his conception.

And this re is the reason that the Council of Ephesus in four thirty one proclaimed that Mary truly is the mother of God. The the Greek word to say way to say that is Theotokos or Theotokos, right? She is the mother of God. by the human conception of the Son of God in her womb. So

Obviously, Mary did not exist before the Son of God existed, who is he is eternal, right? He is the only begotten Son of the Father. He's before all things. He's again, the word is eternal. Mary was born in time. Mary was is human being. She's just just a human being. Yet, yet. Here's what the Eph Council of Ephesus said. What year? Four thirty one. You got that. Good. Well done.

She Mary is mother of God, not that the nature of the word or his divinity received the beginning of his existence from the Holy Virgin, right, right, so that's She's the mother of God, not because his divinity received the beginning of his existence from her, but that since the holy body, animated by a rational soul, see that that is the very important part, we recognize that that's the human nature.

The holy body animated by a rational rational soul, which the word of God united to himself according to the hypostasis, was born from her, the word is said to be born according to the flesh. So this is so, so important. And I don't want anyone to miss this. We call Mary the mother of God, not because it's not meant to be simply a title of honor to her, although what incredible honor, but it's saying something about Jesus.

It is saying that from the very moment of his conception, the eternal Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, united to himself. humanity, like human nature, so that the being in Mary's womb is the second person of the Trinity Right that one person, one divine person, with a human and divine nature. Therefore

the child to whom Mary gave birth is actually God. Therefore we can say Mary is the mother of God. Does that make sense? No, again, not that she preceded the eternal Son of the Father, But that she truly gave birth to a divine person, therefore she is the mother of God. When she gave birth to Jesus Christ, a divine person with a human and divine nature. Ah, this is this is again, it's not about Mary. What it is about is about here's how fully Jesus has united his divinity to our humanity.

Chalcedon: Two Natures, One Person

And so we have the monophysite heresy in paragraph four sixty seven that affirmed that the human nature had ceased to exist as such in Christ when the divine person of God's son assumed it. So I've heard it described that it was like yeah, at at some point um here's

God's divinity, right? The second person of the Trinity, who became one of us. So yes, there's human nature at the beginning, but then it was kind of like this. This is this is me here's my image. It's not my image, it's someone else's image. Like um This humanity that Christ

assumed gets lost in this sea of divinity. And the example was like Alka Seltzer, right? Here's a tablet of Alka Seltzer. That would be the humanity that gets dropped into this sea of divinity and it just kind of dissolves, just goes away. And the problem with this, because that would say, oh yeah, there's the incarnation. God became one of us. But then the humanity part just dissolved away. The problem with that, as as others have said, is that it means that Jesus did not act as a human being.

That that his that his life, his miracles, his suffering, his death, his rising from the dead weren't done as a human being, but simply was done as a divine being. And we recognize that no, God did this. Even the whole purpose of the incarnation, right, is to bring us close, is to bring God come close to us and to bring us close. To divinity. And so if he absorbed and essentially obliterated our humanity, then that doesn't come close to us. And so

The fourth ecumenical council, Chalcedon, in the year four hundred fifty one, confessed this, following the Holy Fathers, meaning it goes all the way back. We unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity.

the same truly God and truly man, composed of a rational soul and body, consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity, and consubstantial with us as to his humanity. Again, this is this is so important, right? Because The humanity of of Jesus did not cease to exist. It did not get obliterated like

uh Alcasaltzer in water. This is so important. He was begotten from the Father. This is bo going back to the Council of Chalcedon. He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity, and in these last days, for us and for our salvation,

was born as to as to his humanity of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God. And so goes on. And this is maybe, I don't want to say this is the most important part, but for me it kind of brings it, hammers it home. And this is this again, paragraph four sixty seven in those, in those small script. We confess that we that one and the same Christ, Lord and only begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures, without confusion,

change, division, or separation. I remember those just so so ig so important for all these things, without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between the natures was never abolished by their union, meaning Yeah, human nature, divine nature, never abolished by that union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person, prosupone, and one hypostasis. He's just

The Redemption Through Christ's Dual Nature

Remarkable, incredible. Um, man, I I I think this is not only incredible for us to to recognize that. One divine person. Having a divine nature and a human nature is not just technical. It's not just kind of we like to know the nuts and bolts or how how the engine works or whatever you want to say on what's under the hood. But because it actually matters to us. It matters. that Jesus is fully God.'Cause if he wasn't fully God, um, we couldn't be redeemed.

It also matters that Jesus is fully human, because if he wasn't fully human, we couldn't be redeemed, right? And so here is Jesus, who in one divine person has a human nature just like ours in all things but sin, he became like us in all things but sin, but also has a divine nature.

Which is just remarkable and incredible. And I love, I love the this last prayer. Um the Roman liturgy says what he was, he remained, meaning meaning he was God. What he was, he remained, and what he was not, he assumed. Like he wasn't human, but he became he is he assumed humanity, right? What he was, he remained, divine, and what he was not, he assumed human.

And the liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom, I who just remarkable, golden golden tongue. Um, he said, only begot we'll we'll close with this'cause I know it's long, but it's it's it's deep, right? Only begotten Sonna and Word of God, immortal being.

You who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the Holy Mother of God and ever Virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death You who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Save us. It is incredible. I know this is exceptionally long today.

But um this is this is deep. Hopefully this don't be discouraged. If you're like what's I still don't know who Nestorian is or Nestorius is. I don't know the Aryan heresy yet. It's okay. What we need to know is Jesus is one divine person with a human nature and a divine nature. Again, as it's as it says very clearly, without confusion, change, division, or separation. And that means uh that means. God has made himself our brother. So that we could become

Sons and daughters of God. It's so incredible. Tomorrow we're gonna talk about how how is the Son of God man, even more uh deeply. It's it's remarkable, it's incredible, it might in some ways be challenging, but at the same time, hang in there. You guys, I'm so sorry this is so long, but hang in there. This is worth it. It is worth doing the work because we need to know who Jesus is. We need to know what

What is what is the meaning of the incarnation and how does it affect our lives? I am praying for you. They made it through today. Keep pressing play tomorrow. Please pray for me. My name is Father Mike. I cannot wait to see you tomorrow. God bless.

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