Episode 307: Make working dogs great again

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our ad. Yeah. That one's good to go for at least another 4 years. We'll hear from us then. Welcome back to the can Paradigm. I'm your host, Pat Stewart. I'm joined studio today by my c host, Glen. Here we go. Ready for another 1. She we just talk straight in. Let's get straight into it. We don't need to talk about Trump being assassinated anything on. This we? No. No. We definitely don't. I think enough people are talking about that.

Yep. It's everywhere. Yep. Okay. Hey. Oh, that's set it a couple of times on the show, and I've set it to plenty of people in Ir in real life. Ir. I love that. Yeah. I love that. That I have this plan. Yep. And it's a pretty loose plan, Like, I haven't sort of gone too deep into the details of it, but I have this sort of vision. Mh. Of how I would like to shape and manipulate the dog world in Australia. The working dog world Alright? So we're taught...

When I say working dogs, I mean, dogs with jobs, and especially jobs within the government. Alright? So detection dogs, police, patrol dogs, special forces, dogs, swat team dogs, the whole range of working dogs. Right? Can I derail this just slightly for a minute? We only just begun? I know. Now that you're mentioning this, I did bring this up when Sean was here and we had a brief conversation around this, and it bolts onto your conversation in a way.

Because I really feel that what we need in this country, not just in this country, but all over the world, as you listen to conversations and you watch what people are talking about social media, and that is d development. Mh. Because it goes in line with developing this holistic program where you're talking about a resolution with producing the right type of dogs, importing the right amount of blood lines, providing better breeding practices for working style dogs, etcetera, etcetera,

That's all great. But if we still have issues with D decor not being developed properly, which was great that we had that d c development camp, and you've been highlighting this over a period of time because there's still a problem with d c, jamming dogs up, being too focused on their social media activity. That I do see that as a massive issue. Well, it's funny to say that because that's part of my thing. Let's go through your step by step program.

Yeah. So what I've talked about is that I have this loose plan and the only thing holding me back from achieving it is money. Yep. I haven't costed it fully because I can't really do that. But as a sort of broad strokes, I think I could achieve what I wanna to achieve with about 30000000 dollars. Yep. Now, I know that there's people in their cars like, oh, only 30000000 dollars pat, but here's the thing. Money's not real. Right? So for the government to spend money on infrastructure projects,

that's where money comes from. Right? So when we talk about how they've printed money or that there's new money come into the economy or whatever. It's not that they literally print more money and that money comes into it. It's that they spend money into existence. Mh. And so government spend money into existence via infrastructure projects. That's really how you get money into the the economy. That's why they say you gotta

spend money to make money. Yeah. That's how it goes within all the countries, especially now we're not back by any gold standard. Like money's is not real. It's fucking... It's completely fake. It's just ones and zeros. We've agreed to use this idea that this is our currency. So I learned this when I was working in the government is that the costing of

things is so strange. The army has this thing called the Army capability management systems where you get into, like, the back end of the budget, basically, And money is allocated around. And there's all kinds of silly things that exist within government in that money is put into different buckets, and you can only draw from certain buckets

in order to achieve certain things. For example, back at my old unit, capability is put into 1 bucket, and then that's broken into multiple buckets as well, but travel is another. So for example, if I wanted to do a course. Right? If there was an instructor somewhere in the world, we used to get in a a sniper instructor guy. Right? Who's used to do supplemental training to the snipers within the unit. And so to bring him to Australia, to run a course, the course then has

a certain cost per student. Right? Like, that's what he's gonna charge. But it's cheaper for him to do that at his own facility in the Us. The cost per student is lower. So it actually made more sense for us to send people to the Us to do his course where we were paying less per student, but their travel and their hotel accommodation, all of that kind of stuff the incidental because they get paid differently while they're

there, that's from a different budget. Mh And so for the person running the sniper sell, whose job it is to up upscale snipers, his training budget is completely separate from his travel and whatever budget. That comes from a different pool of money. So you get kind of dumb things like that in the mill in... Not just in the military, but in government all the time. Right? And so when I say it's 30000000 dollars at a minimum probably. Right?

I know that there's lots of people just going, like, oh, that's ridiculous, but it's not it's not even in the slightest. And 30000000 dollars to long term solve what is actually a quite a significant and looming problem that government is gonna face in Australia that not too many people are really very aware of. You know, like, I think that there isn't to my knowledge within the working groups.

There isn't anybody highlighting to anybody who cares or fully understands the difficulty in getting dogs. Even on last week's topic that we brought up. The fact that people aren't aware that the floor is not going to drop out of it. It's already starting to drop out of it now. That scarcity is already upon us. Yeah. So we see this say in Victoria here in Australia where bite sports are

banned and we've talked about that. Mh. Is that that has significant effects because a lot of the breeding of dogs that are capable of police type work. That's now limited to very few people because they don't have many customers now. Right? So, like, if you're if you as a breeder, are breeding dogs suitable for that kind of thing. Well, now you've only got security guys and the police who are interested in buying dogs.

Now you can never counter the police to buy anything from because they have all these budgeting concerns and there's bureaucracy and all these kind of things. So if you're relying on them to buy to pay your bills, you're fucked because they're gonna leave you high dry. Not because there's any mouse temper, that's just the way that bureaucracy works. Right? So there isn't a pet of dog work within the Australian government that I'm aware of

anyway. Yes. We have these conferences and there are times where You're, like, they have these working dog groups that different government agencies will attend, and there was a time when I was at least even aware if not peripheral involved in those things, but I'm not anymore. I'm a full blown civilian now. Like aside from having been in the army 9 years ago, I'm not involved in any of that shit anymore. Right? I'm sure that those kind of groups go ahead, and I know that

Army has a capability manager for dogs. But to my knowledge, there's nobody within the federal government who has, like, reached down or observation of the state of play of working dogs within the country. The other limiting factor on that too is the incredible amount of wash out of talent. And all of the training, all of the history all of the resources that they have gathered. As an outsider, it seems that very minimal goes into the next bunch of recruits that

are coming through. And it seems to me that when you watch that, the loss of all that experience that you're losing it within that new recruiting basis as well. Yeah. Now that may be unfair. I might be saying, you know, you and I were just having a conversation with Michelle's mom and dad before, although we're here about how people have an expert viewpoint on things that they're not directly plugged into. And that might be a case here because I'm not directly plugged into Army logistics.

Or police force logistics. I've friends and colleagues in there that talk to me about their budgetary frustrations. And the fact that, you know, like, if they're given a pool of money to spend, and the minister comes along and says, oh, you didn't spend all that. Well, that's what you're gonna be short next year and next year's budget. Yeah. I mean, that's always the case with most government departments. Right? You don't spend your yearly allocation. It gets taken

from you the next year. That's broadly speaking true. That's not like strictly linear. That's why I'm saying, yeah. I'm not really in the office there. So I can't say that I have fact on that. Yeah. It's just conversations I've had with frustrated people who say, we're short on the tools this year or we're short on the capability to buy these extra 3 dogs. Because last year, we didn't meet the budget requirements because of x y and z. Yeah. And there is some truth to that because

that's coming directly from the horse's mouth. Yeah. This is part of the issue of larger government departments. There's a there's a huge disconnect between end users, the people who we will actually interact with. Mh. And the people who sit behind computers and count the beans. That's There's a huge disconnect there. I was really lucky when I was hour had it really incredible mentor for a period of time miss Guy, wednesday's day's navy is doing, But he was my sergeant major. Yep. In various

roles across 2 different units. We moved together. I worked under him for roughly 4 years. Right? He was sort of within my very direct chain of command. And he was an incredible mentor actually, and taught me a lot of the behind

the scenes stuff. But someone's gonna join the army to be a clerk and be the, like company clark that does all the paperwork and stuff He made me do their full training suite as though I was the new person who had just joined the army and he made me go through, could you can do it online. Wow He made me do their entire thing. And I was like, mate, I'm a god fucking clock. I I don't give a fuck about how to manually input somebody's

qualifications into the system. Yep. But couple of years later when I don't have to rely on close to do anything for me. Because there's not enough of them. They're overworked to under pay all the same things. Now I can do that shit myself. Right? And same as budgeting, like, I don't have to go to the meetings to try and fight for the budgeting. I can get into

the system and do it myself. Right? So it was the incredible skill set that he forced me to acquire that I did not appreciate at the time. But then when I had it I was like, oh, holy shit. This is incredible. Right? But it offers you inside as well. That's times and perspective is everything as I alluded to before, There's often times where I've commented on things and I've had rage or I've had big feels about it. But I've had no real perspective on it.

It's just a feeling or you know, like, I'm siding with an Ally when they have frustrations about it. But when you do have perspective on these things, when you are included in the actual conversation, and you can see how, like, the example I said before when the floor is falling out of things because you don't have an allied group in those people who are doing the accounting, and then also allocate funds to you to be out to have that preparedness to do your job adequately.

That's grossly unfair. Yeah. Grossly unfair. Yeah. And that's happening to a lot of our service men and women, in dog units all over this country. Mh where they're incredibly underfunded. For sure. Yeah the without doubt. Yep. So all of that is to help people understand that money's is not real and government money spending. 30000000 dollars is fucking nothing. Right? I agree with that because there's plenty of times where guy way more. Absolutely. Friendly Jo

highlights at all the time. All the skeletons in their closets where they're trying to hide it where they've funded money to their mates and funneled money here there and everywhere. He pulls it out and says, there's hundreds of millions of dollars that are just being lost. Exactly. What I wanna do fits perfectly into the correct way that government spends money into existence. I wanna spend a bunch of money. I wanna do that mostly within Australia. So the money would stay here and just

go into the economy. I wanna employ a bunch of people and I wanna create a massive change. So I'm gonna talk about how I wanna do that. Alright? Cool so the first thing is that I wanna point out is that I'm not sure that I wanna do this. There's no ego involved in this. From here on out whenever I say I, I'll be referring to myself as the purse because this is my vision. I'm happy to

hand this vision over. Right? But what's super, super, super important is that there is an enduring project manager throughout this. Yep. Right? Now that's 1 of the things that I cannot stress enough. And what we see in government roles is that everything is like stepping stone type jobs. Right? It's rare that people are in a job for 10 years or more. Right? Because they have ranks. There's careers that have to be highlighted.

This is 1 of the things that people don't understand about, say, like, special forces dog handlers. Right? Nobody really wants to become a dog handler because it's a career killer. In that you get... If you get too specialized at anything, it's very difficult to go back into the assault teams. Mh. And so nobody really wants to that. So like Snipers is the worst. Because if you as a a digger, get qualified, it like likes a dig I mean, like private, lowest rank.

If you get qualified as a sniper, and you're good at it and you go into a sniper team and you spend the next 5, 6 years in the sniper teams, and then you come back as a Lance corporal junior leader to the assault teams. Those assault teams don't wanna fucking know you. Because they're like, nah, you've been sitting on rooftops. You're not an assault anymore. You've become that specialist thing, and the sniper platoon is like 30 guys where the assault teams, there's hundreds

of them. Yeah. And so there's no career progression in snipers. Like the highest rank you can get to within snipers is the sniper platoon sergeant. That's it. You're done. Right? So nobody wants to go into specialist roles because it destroys your career. Right. And so what's important to know about this is that this project must have a enduring project manager that sees it through. Hundred percent. So I'm happy to with Fx as well.

Otherwise, then you get pulled into the same pool that allegedly Greyhound new South Wales is because they're under the microscope at the moment because allegedly, their project manager has been favoring friends according to Ray Hadley where they've been mis funds to train our buddies and all sorts of people in the industry. Really? Yes. I'm not aware of all this.

That's why the role that you're talking about is pivotal in making something happen like this because if you have somebody who allegedly mis appropriate funds to their friends and colleagues in the industry, then it all falls apart it comes under scrutiny, and then you get held with the blame. Yeah. To that end, what I will say is though, this project manager, me. Yep. Needs discretion to spend the money appropriately. And that's 1 of the issues. That's why these long

transparency. Yeah. Total yeah Total transparency. Right? Mh But there needs to be that level of control over this, which is why it would be best done as private industry. Yep. And again, 1 of the reasons why bothering to explain all of this and laid it all out. Is just in case. Somebody's like, hey, Pat, turns out I'm the secret billionaire, and I like doing the right thing. And I see your vision and I wanna make it happen. This is how I would make

it happen. Okay? So it definitely needs a visionary, the person who will oversee the whole thing and want to see it through to completion, they need to be there throughout. Right? Yep. As well as have the help that needed along the way. Okay. So that's established. Here's the first thing that needs to happen. I would, first of all, establish a bunch of committees of people. Now those committees of people, again, let me take another minor step back. We're a little bit all over place

but that is our style. Yeah. The reason our club is called Ion fist Psa. The reason we named it that is because I feel like a lot of the time committees and working groups and too much of a a linear hierarchy creates problems because it's a choke point. Right? Imagine a narrow pathway that is your success. You need to go through that narrow pathway of success. That is why very pointy hierarchy systems work. Because you have a person at the front who says this is what we're fucking doing.

I'll take all of your information in. I'll bounce it all. I'll weigh it all against what I know. And the thing of hi is that information trickle down that hierarchy, but not all of that goes down. So what you always have to remember when you're involved in any form of command and control hierarchy is that the people above you probably no more than you. Right? And they're giving you the amount of information that you need to do your job. So as not to burden

you with more information than you need. Yep. And so there needs to be a very clear command and control at a central point above, but the next thing that needs to be done, and this is the first weakness that we'll encounter is establishing committees of people to give their input. If you heard Steve jobs talking about the progression of Apple Corporation, how he didn't actually wanna develop it as a group of committees, but more so that it was constantly viewed as a startup up company

ongoing. So we could have somebody responsible in each department. Yeah. Then they come together, they spend 4 to 5 hours once a week going through all the projects where they are, where they're heading where the funds have been allocated. And that way, everybody in that department has got their neck on the block to make sure that their department is running as it should be. Yep. But he said in the funding and the managing and in speaking to

colleagues in the industry. He said, I cannot stress a better way to do it than treated it as. It's always a startup company. It's important to know that while we're are interested in the input of many people, we're gonna weigh and balance that against the bigger picture, there will be a decision maker. Mh. The first sort of committee that I wanna set up is people to talk about

blood lines. And what blood lines are, you know, speak objectively, and decide on what blood lines from around the world we want to start to harness and how we're going to develop those. What ones we have here, what's available to us and how we can get started. That's important to start figuring out. I think that 1 of the issues that we often face is that it's tricky because Sometimes I think people lead each other Astra because there can be differences of opinion on

what is good and what is bad. That's a very objective thing. What kind of dog you like, what kind of dog you don't like? That's their objective thing. But also, people are financially incentivized because they're breeding particular things. They're interested in particular other things. They have particular outcomes with these dogs. And they're emotional. Yeah. Of course. So step 1 is that we're paying all these people for their information. Right? You are financially

incentivized to be successful in this... You're contributing to this. You're not financially incentivized to, like, get your particular blood line going. Right? You are incentivized about because we're gonna buy this knowledge from you. We're not expecting to get this from you for free. How do you think people are gonna feel about that knowing that as a proposal of this, primarily what you're saying is I'm removing you from the capability. In what way am I removing it

from capability? If you're saying I wanna import another blood line into the country or I wanna import a superior blood line, which isn't your blood line. Mh. How do you think they're going to feel about all I'm playing is the devil's advocate in this because I've spent plenty of time having late into the night conversations with people about blood lines and genetics and understanding their pride ego and emotions that are involved in their own kennel. Mh. Where some

people are dead on. They know exactly what they're producing, and they do. Proof is in the pudding, and some people are dead wrong, where their dogs couldn't pull the skin off a custard. Yeah. That's why we'll have a committee of people that then, like, the people who in any way obstruction is. Yeah. And of not, of course, like, there should be heated debates. There should be differences of opinion. Yep. But if anybody seem to be obstruction, then we remove them, and they fall by the

wayside. Right? Right? Like they continue doing what they're doing, but they're not a part of this project. Why they should wanna be a part of the project despite potentially already being a dog breeder in Australia or whatever is because first of all, they have opportunities to be involved to the ground level of this as it grows. But second is that this running and being a thing that could potentially take away from their ability to sell dogs in a short to medium term doesn't exist,

then that will become apparent soon. Right? So we're not selling any of these dogs for a long time. I kind of establish this idea, it seemed like I had a financial background. Now Won't go into the details of all that. But it turned out not to be the case. But I'd said to the person at the time, like, this is not a profitable business. You have to know that and I was given the, like, well, I'm not interested I wanna do it. I have plenty of money. Money is not an issue

for me. It's that I wanna be involved in it. And so I was like, okay. Cool. As long as you're aware that we ain't making any money. And that's why I think that this is not viable in Australia to do as private industry. If there's some level of intention of seeing a return on your money, from an investor that said they were, like, if someone called me and said, pat I'm in, Give you the money, but this is how I wanna see a return. I'm like, no. There will be no return. We are

losing money on this. So primarily what you're suggesting if I'm correct, thinking along the bouncing ball is that you feel that there should be government funded and in wages paid by the government. Yeah Yeah. I can or... If it's not government funded, then it's a private back. Yep. It doesn't want the return. Right? I know that that seems like a weird thing to say, but that shit happens, man. That that's for real.

Look, I I understand there's consultants and there's shakes out there who do fun things like this. And not just that here's an example, when I was at the college that I attended first semester in the Us. 1 of the astrophysicist was talking about a thing that she was on the verge of, you know, discovering I suppose, but was gonna take a huge amount of money, and mostly that money was in telescope time because there

was only a couple of different telescopes. I think there's 2 on the planet that could do what you want to do. And you have to bid for the time of users because everybody wants to use them at the times when they'll see the the capable saying the things. And said that, you know, like, it cost a hundred and 50000000 dollars to do what I want, and they guy I wrote to a check on the spot. And so these things happen. With no hawk. Nah. You achieve that goal.

Because when she achieves what she's trying to achieve, I remember her name, And I think that she's actually done it, but no 1 else will because it was done by the yale astro department. But I'm a suspicious motherfucker of people because I just know that most people follow the narrative of with him. What's in it for me? Yeah. And for sure. But there is a return for them, but the return to that guy and that instance was that Yale will make the discovery. Was his money or

Yale money? It's his money that he donated to yale in order to have the discovery made by Yale, and then the Yale brand that he's got a giant company that only employs Yale. Yep. Right? The stock of yale increases. Right. So. So he gets a funnel out. Yeah. Well no. So he's company that's full of yale employees is first pick. Not the same there's something. Give it the whole brand of the Yale brand, Yeah would have increased because they will be the discover of the

thing. And so to him, giving them the opportunity to make a groundbreaking discovery that will be attributed to the university that he went to and their he only employs people from is worth his while to spend that hundred and 50000000 dollars. And you know that for fact. This is just my suspicion. I'm just... I don't I don't know that for fact. Yeah... I'm not trying to poke holes in your story. What do you mean do I know that for fact? I'm telling the story

that she told me. My reason for asking is, like I said before, I'm suspicious of people's generosity. Of course, it has to be something in it for them. Yeah. It's maybe that what's in it for them is that there's the achieving of a particular. Okay. But that happens all the time. Right? Yeah. So I'm not expecting my phone to ring after this. But what I'm saying is, this is not as ridiculous as people think. This kind

shit happens all the time. You know that there was a... I can't remember the guy's name. Should have been better prepared. I didn't know we're gonna discuss this, but there was a an astronaut. I can't remember fucking name. That 1 of the telescope in space that will identify a media that's gonna hit us. And he gave a speech at Google and the James webb tells us. No. It's a different 1. But he gave a speech at Google saying that we really don't have very

good defense. Against knowing whether we're gonna get hit by an asteroid or a comment or whatever. Yep. Because there's so much space that we're not covering, and we're overdue for a a big impact. And so, you know, he gave this very, a suppose pessimistic speech about how we're not doing the things. And Nasa doesn't have funding for it to get that because they're more into exploration not observation, and it would probably only cost half

a billion dollars. And a guy that he gave the speech to a Google How after He said, mate, we can raise half a billion dollars in no fucking time. There's people that will donate know to this. Right? Like, we can easily do this and they did within a couple of weeks of knowing the right people to call to say, like, hey, we wanna do this. Yeah. There's money in startups and... Can't go together with this. But the point is it's not a ridiculous thing. Cool. Okay. So we get point. Establish these

working groups. Where we're gonna establish a blood lines. We're gonna identify the locations. Yep. So in Australia, we've got, like, 7 states. I wanna put a location in each 1. This is get the biggest cost. Alright? Is that I wanna identify the locations where these places will be and build the facilities. Yep. And if facilities will need to be super high end working dog facilities. I'm talking triple stage kennel.

Yep. Training facilities, training grounds, offices, working places, education spaces, So this is the biggest cost. Without without a doubt biggest cost. Yeah. Blend and and bricks and mortar yeah expensive. Again, why if it were funded by government, It's not a cost at all. Yep. Right. Because now we're employing people to do these things. It's just creating ones and zeros that go into the

economy. We're employing companies. We're employing workers. There's people there that are create, like, the infrastructure build out is just creating jobs within the country. And it goes back to our states and territory and national defense as well. Exactly. So we start establishing locations. We start building committees of people who can run the building out of that. People like you who are experts in the way a ken should run. And instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

Like, I don't need to go to all the conventions where they show where all of the the latest and greatest in internal layouts are... Because you've done that shit. Right? So I can buy that information from you. And so I can have working groups within Australia, I can bring in people from around the world because I can pay them because I've got the money to do this, and we start identifying how we're gonna build these things properly. Right? Because these need to be done properly.

And then we have statisticians and logistics people that go over and help me flesh out this entire plan to be more like, cross all the t's and dot all the i's. Right? So this is a bigger picture thing, but we need to then get more into the weeds on deliverables at what time we're gonna hit, like, what are our Kpis where are we gonna hit them? How are we're gonna hit them? How are we gonna measure our success against our failure? That kind of stuff. We need to figure all that out. Okay?

Straightaway away, we can start going in blind dogs. Mh. So we identify the kind of blood lines that we wanna get, and we want what we wanna do is bring in a variety of different blood lines. So it's not that we want 1 particular that we're going hard in the pain after a particular thing. We're, you identify a bunch of different ones. Now how many I don't know yet and where they're all gonna come from. I don't know yet. But what that looks like

is we're gonna have to pay. Right? So whether we're importing the dogs from overseas or we're buying them here, proven lines. Mostly what we want is to mitigate how much risk we're taking and buy proven lines from bitches who have produced. Yeah. Because those are the kind of

dogs that people don't part with. Right? So, like, the the answer when people say to me, you know, like, because lots of people have said to me I want wanna import a dog, you know, like, to get a blood line start breeding whatever. And like you can't really do it because for us to import a dog as a puppy, you gotta buy that dog as a puppy. And that's the only way that you can guarantee you're gonna be able to buy the door. You buy new. Right? First hand. Then it's 10 months old before It can

come into the country. You don't know whether it's gonna pan out. You might have bought the right massive risk. There's huge amount of massive risk. Right? Mh. So I don't wanna take those risk. I wanna hit the ground running. Wanna identify. I wanna go to somewhere and be like, hey. Can't help but notice You've repeated the same mating twice. Mh. Everybody's

happy with the puppies. We'd like to... If not buy an entire litter of your dogs, we wanna buy that bitch, and we wanna bring her out to Australia, and we're gonna start breeding from her here. And we're going to buy also semen from you because we wanna pick up the blood line and bring it over. We don't want some, like hodgepodge disaster of out cross. We wanna pick up what you have and bring it here. Mh. Now that's gonna cost. Right? People cost it's gonna cost. Yep. No worries. We've got we've

got 30000000. Yep. I mean, in all already, there's millions into dogs just in dogs and semen in that. Yep. Probably a million. Oh, roughly. But anyway, it depends on lots of 2 to 3. Well, it depends on how many we're bringing in depends on Yeah. Like great stuff. Are we talking... Are we limiting this to Biting dogs? Are we talking detection dogs as well. I think that my primary focus is on the biting dogs because that's where our biggest

problem is. I think that in Australia, we have some really good action dogs and reliably, people are reliably breeding the kind of dog. But now They are, But it's where people are finding them. Because there's, like, there's plenty of good gun dogs being bread. Right? That are totally suitable as detection dogs. It's where the people are putting their hands on them. But I don't know that we need to import. I don't know. Right? So this is the thing. Like, I don't know that we

need to. The reason I'm asking this is like you're setting this up as a national standard. Mh. Which already addresses... If you're looking at it from a welfare and an ethics point of view, it already addresses a national standard. So then they can come along and saying, well, I'm concerned about how the female will be looked after in well. I'm concerned with how the puppies are gonna be raised. It's already addressed. Your model should already put it into place, and you'll

employ someone as an ethics controller, Mh. Or in ethics manager who basically... Whether there'll be a hr department. Exactly. Somebody who addresses all the roles and concerns and puts it into place so what their job is to introduce best practices along the way. We're getting to that. So the first thing that we're doing is we're importing these dogs. Right? And we're establishing by lines. Now that a 12 month

project at the minimum. Right? Because even if suddenly, the the ones and bureaus appeared in my bank account today. We still have to go through all the quarantine and everything. There's no way around that. Right? Yep. Now there might you wanna be building. You want infrastructure to happen Right away happening. Straight away. So this is all concurrent. We've got the building of the facilities happening within Australia. Yep. And then we've got people out buying the dogs

and we've got the dog quarantine. You right? We potentially have people who are overseas if we don't have trusted partners where we have those dogs, we potentially have people in those places raising adults. We can c locate all the dogs from around the world mostly to 1 place and they can all do their quarantine time in 1 particular place before they all come out together so we can put staff in 1 particular place to look after a bunch of dogs. Yeah. So

we're bringing those dogs into Australia. We've building the facilities as per the spec of what we've decided to do. The next thing that we start doing is identifying and training the staff who are gonna be dealing with all of this when they arrive. Yep. So our initial pool of staff are gonna be people that you and I know. Right? From within the space that we know have the skill set to immediately start making good. Alright? Yep. And we're gonna pay them enough that it's worth their while to

do. Yeah right? The thing is with all of this, we're not expecting any but... Like, 1 of the reasons why I think so many of the grand plans that people have in training people and developing blood lines on this kind of shit. It doesn't work out it's because people have to feed their family. At the end of the day, people have to make enough money to sustain themselves. Absolutely. They need to be paid adequately for the job that they've been pulled away or head

hunted for. That's right. And so, you know, breeding dogs is a terrible business model You know, unless you're just puppy farming shit dogs, then you can make a fortune. But if you're looking to produce something special, that doesn't happen easily you know, and you can lose a whole litter. You can have mating not take. Like, there's lots of different ways that things can go wrong. So now I need poke a question at you. Mh And hopefully, you've had time to think about this.

Because this will be a question because it comes up in greyhound, it comes up in a lot of these circles. We're gonna get to the excess dogs. We're gonna get to what happens with the dogs that don't pan out. Great. There's a whole plan on that. Okay. But so I'm glad you thought that through because that's where they pull the pin on this grenade. Yep. Yeah. So right now, all we've done is establish what blood lines we wanna get. Yep. We've go and bought

those dogs and those dogs during quarantine. Okay. We've also bought of the dogs that are within Australia, and we've got those dogs in facilities we're ready to go. Yep. We are building out the facilities. And whether we're putting 1 in every state or just in key states. I'm not sure. But but we are building those facilities, and they are gonna be not identical, but they're gonna be very similar. Right? Like, there isn't gonna be a 1

that's better than the others. That they're all gonna be capable of doing the same shit. They're gonna be the same size. Roughly, they're all capable of doing the same shit. Even though later, they're gonna service different markets. But the point is we're moving these things things around so that we're not putting all of eggs in 1 basket. Would you be open to crowdfunding funding? Yeah. For sure. If people wanted to put in the money? I'm open at all

kinds of funding. If you're looking at this as a project and something that's sustainable and it warrants growth, and you could attract, you know, the contracts from state territory and federal governments to primarily fix the hole in the bucket. Who cares where the finances is. No. Exactly. The main thing is as long as the decision making person, who I'm referring to as myself, but, like I'm saying, it could be many people,

it doesn't have to be. Would you outsource it if you've come up with this and you've drafted it. Well because maybe I don't wanna do. But this is a lot of work. It is. It is a lot of work. But it's something that would sustain... Yeah. Jokes aside. If somebody said, hey, I have the money to do this. You can do it. I would do it. But again, this is part of it. My business would die. I'm happy to do that because I do my

business in order to achieve. Like, I will achieve more of what I'm trying to achieve in my life. But this is a level Yeah. That's right. But the pay would have... Like, this is a this a big part of it but we gotta pay people well. Because if I'm gonna put my whole business off, I would basically have to shut down everything I do. Yep. And to do this. I need to be compensated for that. A hundred percent so don't disagree. But so does everybody at every stage in this. So we're

paying people well throughout this whole thing. In order to make sure that we attract the right people. And they wanna stay. That's the main thing. Yeah. It is that not only do we need the right people to be want the job, but we need people to wanna keep their job and continue to be team players in the development of this. Right? Because we're paying them so much that they couldn't make that money anywhere else. Yep. So

we've got the facilities being built. Yep. We've got the dogs overseas, we start training people immediately. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah What that looks like is we start running trainer schools. Now we're gonna be training people who are not just interested in it, but they're the ones who wanna, like, see the vision through. And we're employing people. Like, let me throw out some names. And also, now that I'm thinking about this, you can also provide them with an accreditation, so they

actually get to obtain a skill said. Yep. And hold an accreditation that will follow them whether they choose to stay or go. Yep For sure. Yep. We then say to people, and let me throw out, like, let me use Bang as an example. Yeah right? Ben's definitely 1 of the people that I approach, he performs a similar function to this like in his own scale, Ben's a great trainer does his own thing, but he's in perth. Yep. Right? So he's a person I say, hey Ben. You're money my perth. I want you.

Do you wanna do? Now let's assume that he's happy with the amount of money we can pay him to do it. Yep. And he's like Fuck In. Okay. Cool. There's... I'm not running 1 of them. I'm overseeing it. I'm a project manager of the whole thing. We have... And let's just say it's gonna be you here. If for... For whatever reason you've quit your job in your here. Right? You're doing the new south Wales 1. We've got people in Melbourne, Queensland, all the places what we do is we start having these

coordinated training sessions. Yep. So that all these people, there's a big flight budget. Right? We'll get together at the various facilities that we're now building. And in... Until they're ready, we start doing it wherever we do it, but we start cross leveling the training, and we've upscale everybody as much as possible. You here start running like, hey, This is how I do things as to tell I think of training dogs. We run these

concentrations. Maybe they're weekend things that happen every month so that you're constantly training your staff here. But then everybody comes together or a selected number because people have to run the candles or whatever, but selected number of people are constantly coming together to cross information. Alright? Then when the dogs start arriving, we then allocate them around the country because we're only say we bring in 10 different dogs, 10 different blood lines or maybe it's 5 blood

lines with 2 of each. Whatever we decide on, this is, you know, effect of the working group that figures out. We then put those around we start breeding. Now we don't sell giveaway part ways with any of the dogs for probably 10 years. Right? This is that we are developing real blood lines. So these candles. This is 1 of the reason why it's so difficult is the huge because we have to be able to keep whole leaders.

And we have to be able to see, like, what happens over time here because we're trying to establish proper blood lines that has never been established in Australia. We wanna look and see, like, okay, this puppy, and we're recording all of this. Right? Like, there's so much availability of this sort of data in this kind of facility. Universe cities could get in and this as hundred percent. We could study it like, there's plenty of room for this to people can do thesis Phd. Exactly.

Like it's got scope for all of this. Exactly. Yeah. So we start breeding these dogs, and we have now these meetings maybe go from monthly to quarterly or something like that. But the facility heads guided by the project manager, meet regularly. Now maybe that's in person, Maybe that's a weekly meeting zoom call whatever where we talk about where we're at how things are panning out, And we can show the video. We've got all the data. And so, like, this is how these dogs are developing.

This is what we're seeing. This is what we're encountering. We like this. We don't like this. And we're watching this over time and seeing like, these puppies that show us particular traits at a young age. Are we seeing that turn into something at 2 years old? Mh. And when we repeat that mating? Are we seeing the same thing? Is that... Is that something that we can rely on? Can

we understand that? And what we're also doing along the way is we're real allocating these dogs, so that although the dogs are at a particular facility. They're not your dogs. They're the project stocks, and we're moving them around because you and Ben again to use you guys as an example. Gonna have slightly different things that you do, you're gonna have different things. And even though you're both on the same mission, you both share the same vision, and you're both being

guided by the same inputs. You're still gonna do things differently. That's the beauty of these different variables Different people. Yeah. And so we're gonna see the blood line that landed over there, that's going really well for. But I'll give us a couple of those at the next mating, put them over here and see how they go with you. Right? See how, like all this effect has of that. Different climates, all sorts of things. In the meantime, we're still

doing these big connected training days. Right? Where we use the facilities at each 1, and maybe that looks like we bring a bunch of dogs. Maybe we fly them in and we drive them. However they get to the places, but the dogs come with a bunch of their handlers. And we start cross leveling. And we show, like, hey, This is where we're at with these dogs. These are the problems we're encountering, seems to be fairly uniform across the litter. You know, like, so we start getting to

really understand these things. And over time, and I'm talking... When I say over time, I'm talking 5 to 10 years before we have any real relevant data, we then start to get a pretty fucking good understanding of, like, what works and what doesn't. What adapts well to certain training techniques when we put different blood lines together what happens, and we've got other oversight of all of these. By people who we're not trying to convince anyone of anything.

The main thing of this is everybody's being paid to do the work rather than sell any of these dogs. These dogs are staying in the facilities. We have within the facilities. We have people that live there. We have kennel, but we have house setups where some of the dogs are gonna be raised to feel like they're someone's pet, and they're gonna leaving in the house with someone and we're gonna see... Are they capable of Are they not?

Because that's an interesting data point. It's not doesn't mean that they're good or bad or otherwise, but it's a data point that would is how how does it affect the outcome? Yeah How does that affect? And so these guys that, you know, once we know, okay, we're reliably breeding similar dogs, we raise them differently, and we say, okay, what happens here?

Because when you're out crossing dogs, and then you raise them differently, that's not data in any way, shape or form because they could be fucking completely different dogs a way that 1 reacts to being raised in a house versus in a kennel isn't is of no use if they're not similar dogs genetically, or like similarly spirited dogs rather than just brothers that are completely different dogs. Yep. So we've got Facilities all around the place. We're

breeding dogs in all these different facilities. We're meeting regularly for concentrated training days where we are ups skill everybody. And the goal is at the upper levels, the sort of management of those facilities, I want long term staff. Mh. I I want people who are get and time. Yep. In the mid sort of management, the trainer level, I want people who are there for a few years at the least. I want them getting their skills, definitely ticked

up. Yep. But they're gonna be learning so much about dogs and behavior, and they're gonna get so good on them the tools that I want those people then going like, you know what? I can go out into private industry. And as I'm saying if they get accreditation, there's so much upside for them. Yeah. And out ken text our basic trainers, not our supervisor level trainers, but our actual normal trainers. I wanna a high turnover. Those. I don't want them in the job for a

really long period of time. Of course, they can be, that can work their way through the whole thing and go from 1 to the other. There's a career progression within for them. But I want those people turning over because there are staff that are now training the rest of the people around the country. They're are people who spend 06:12 months with us.

Doing this stuff, getting a really high skill set in dog training in general, and then they're the ones that are going into people's homes doing behavior education, getting jobs in places like this at kennel that train pets. Yeah. Because they behavioral knowledge. They understand how to care and Medicate and all the stuff. Everything. And the invaluable thing of that as well is a lot of candles don't have people that have got experience with dogs that have

got eye drives. Yeah. So then you're already plugging somebody in who can come in as a senior leadership role that can come in and say, yep, I've dealt with dogs at this caliber. I've looked after him. I've done all the husband. I've done the medications. Yeah. Fantastic. Amazing. Staff within these facilities are going to be encouraged to take a particular dog. The dog will always remain owned by the facility. Until we get enough data on them to the point where they're like, okay.

We know everything we need to know about these dogs. They're 3, 4 years old. You can have it if you want it. Right? But in the meantime, they live in the facility, but they potentially go home with staff members if that's what they want. Right? And I wanna encourage those staff members to do things with those dogs. So So they can compete with the dogs, and they can compete. We will grow dog sport like fucking crazy. And Bunch them. Obviously, I wanna push Psa. Because it's a great

crossover as well because that's right. The Psa dog can go straight into industry. Yep. But we want dogs doing Ig. If people are more interested in doing Mon, we wanna grow that because now like, the biggest bottleneck that we have to those kind of sports existing is people that wanna play them. No. That's not true. There's plenty of people who wanna

play them. It's people who have the ability to have a dog that's capable of doing it, live in a living situation where they can keep that kind of dog and have access to other people who can help them do it. IDQA club or that kind of shit. And have a Gp dog with a recall. Yeah. So these facilities, solve all of those problems. So we're growing dog sport like fucking crazy. Know At? Like, and we are using these dogs, and

that's our testing ground. We're then putting them into the test tools come off, let's say the dog on the field. We're doing all these sorts of things. At a certain point, we're gonna reach the place where we're gonna start placing dog. And it's what we're gonna do is the adult dogs who are raised trains sold. We're gonna raise trained ready. We're gonna start placing them in various roles. Now those roles look like. Police and military roles. Those those roles

look like, you know, detection. If that's what we're doing. We're gonna be going to corrections. We're going to also. And this is 1 of the reasons why there needs to be a decision maker who can do the things. It's exactly sort of as you've alluded to the greyhound staff. Mh. Is that there needs to be a person. And again, I feel like I embody this, but it needs to be a person who sees the vision of it. And is their decisions questioned only in how successful they'll be not what

kickback they got from it. Because the moral compass of you as I have for many years, I would completely trust you with... And like it's I wanna I know you was. If... But, like, I wanna be out of place a door with someone. And never and not be questioned over it. So I want I want someone to turn up and you're like a person who's not within it or maybe they're an employee that's left whatever. Yep. And I go, no, You've got the skill

set. Yep. Like, you take this dog. I know how much skin you would have in this. And how important it would be to you... Let's include Ego in this for your ego to be able to sit still at night and be comfortable or not let's not call it your ego, but your soul to be not restless about this. I know how important it would be to you to pull it off and make sure that there's transparency. Yeah. And clean execution in this. Yeah.

That's right. So I think that what's super important for whoever runs that is that they're transparent and what they do. Yep. But you can't influence what I do. Like I'm doing that. I item given 10 of these dogs to someone to see what they do with them. I'm fucking doing that. I'll tell you that's what's happening. And I'll explain why and I'll give you the bigger picture on why I think it's a worthwhile investment to the project. But what there can't be as a person

going, Oh, but, he's your mate. Like, yeah, no shit. He's my friend. That's why I know him. That's why I have the level... Like, because that's the problem with a lot of these things is that people... Certainly in government department. Like, this is an interesting thing say of my own own old unit is that now I'm so far gone from the unit that there's a lot of people who never knew me there. Who are now in, like, senior executive positions.

Mh. And they look, and they go, why are we employing this guy who's a former unit member, and they can go well this rigs of fucking corruption. Yeah. Because the boys are just looking after him. And that definitely from the outside is totally fair thing to think. Yeah. You should be able to ask that question. Yeah. But we go, no. The reason he's here is because we know him, we know and trust him and he has the skill. Skill set. Here's the skill set. So that's how it needs to. Here is

the resume that you are unfamiliar with. Yeah. Yeah. So we do all that. Now we've got super skilled people, Because we're constantly meeting we're cross leveling. We're not only moving the dogs around. We're moving staff where that's possible and appropriate now aware that that means people are moving around, But a lot of these facilities have leave in capability them. Right? Because we need to be doing that. We've got Kennel full of dogs. Right? People have to leave

their all the time. And before too long, we're gonna have hundred and 50 dogs at 1 of the places is gonna need to be multiple people that leave at the premises. Yep. So we can start moving people around who are willing to do that and cross leveling skill sets, cross leveling dogs and massively increasing the quality of the average dog trainer around the country by putting back into the dog space, these people. Now we will be holding events we'll be ups skill, people who

are outside of your conversations. Seminars all of all of it. Yep. All of that. Then, eventually, we get to the point where we're raising and training these dogs. How does it regenerate profit? We're getting to that? Okay. Cool. At a certain point we start placing the dogs in units, and we're giving them to

them. Right right? We're giving them to these units and saying like, this is our dog, Now the realities around this get tricky, but however it looks, we place the dogs with people and go, we are giving you this dog on the premise that we stay very up to date with what happens with this dog. Yep. We wanna know everything about what happens. Judgment free. This is not to ridicule your training or whatever? Just to find out what

happens in the field. What happens? We need to know how well the dog engages we need to know how well does it go and tracking? Like, how does it play out. Mh. And without judgment, we're not planning on blaming you for anything. If there's a hole in your training and you know it or you want that plug, come to us we'll happily plug research. That's what we need to know what's going on. We eventually get to the point where we maybe identify that maybe

this pipeline didn't pan out. There's a healthy issue fuck. We didn't know about that. It's come to the surface now. Mh. Or these ones turn out to be too spicy. They come back at the handlers. Yeah right? There's lots of different things. So we start going, okay, We're not gonna continue with that 1. We're gonna cross level and we're gonna, like, push that 1 out. So that I would think that 10 years later we should have a pretty good visibility on probably 3 different styles of dogs that we

like. What are you gonna call this? Ga Kennel? Something on that. We then get to the point where now we can start looking that perhaps we start selling these dogs to public. Now people rather than people who are part of our organization, now we can start to potentially sell them. And we start looking at how that's gonna go. That takes a new different structure. That's a different team. They'll end goal of this whole thing is that we have identified people along the

way who are bought in Right? Like they're you on the project they wanna do it, and we eventually get to the point now. I don't know the timeline on this. It might be 15 years. It might be 20 years. But again, that's small numbers when you're talking massive infrastructure projects, which this is.

We then eventually get to the point where if this is government funded, then we get to the point where we go, alright, you Glenn can take a lease on the premises that we own, that lease will be, like, a 99 year lease, like you essentially own it, and it'll be at no cost, but we can kick you out if you're you know, in proprietary whatever, like that's how it will work. Yep. On the same day, we've been cross loading

everybody. We've been getting everybody to these same points on the same day, The gloves come off, we're no longer a government department, uses is now a functioning business for you. But it has been built. The facility is there. Right? You've got the blood lines working. All the risk is gone in that way. We've cross leveled everything. Everybody's at an even playing field. It's now up to you to turn this into a functioning business that continues to do the same. Now how long it takes to

get to that point I don't know. Yeah. And how viable that last step is I'm not a hundred percent. That's so far down the line, but I I don't know. I many facilities you say you need? 1 per state, but at the minimum, I think that you'd need 5. Like, I think you need... You didn't need more than 30000000 dollars. Yeah. It depends on like I agree, but it depends on how we're costing things? Like, are we paying for every dollar ourselves or, like, other facilities... The purpose built facilities.

You wouldn't get much change out of 5000000. That's what I'm expecting. 5000000 per. But then if it were government funded, like I was saying, money comes from different places Mh. So the infrastructure build out might not be a cost of ours. Running cost might be. It depends on how these sorts of things are are established. But That's the plan. The plan is as a simple recap is that we build the

places, we train the people. We bring in the dogs we work cohesive together under 1 center management that make sure the project as a whole is successful. Mh. We continue to cross level, cross train, test, adjust, test, adjust, go ahead. And at the minimum, I think that it would turn Australia from a place that's like, oh, it can be hard to put your hands on the right dogs. To we'll be exporting dogs. We'd be the

home. If there was the level of input that I want to do with this is that not only would we solve our own internal problem, we would become vendors to the rest of the world for the same thing because to my knowledge, there isn't anywhere that has a project this big that is being run in this way. Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons. Mh. Let's say somebody listened to this podcast and said, Great idea. Love it. He's 50000000 dollars, but you gotta do it offshore. I don't wanna do it

in Australia. It's not really any point. I'm trying to solve our dog problem. Cool. Okay. Like 1 whole plugged? Where do they wanna do it? Well, it could be the salt and the B I might say I'm prepared to fund you. Cash is unlimited, but Gonna do it in B and eye. Nah, without speaking out of school, I've been offered blank check jobs around the world. And no. I'm not interested. Yep. This is my home. Yeah.

I agree. Yeah. Or, have been offered blank check, but I've offered roles in other countries, even though it's suited made in Certain. Yeah. So... And I agree, you know, there's no place like home. Yeah. Plus with what you're talking about, you need to understand the back story of who's gonna be brought into it. And have that in Australia. That's right. Yeah. Whereas if you're starting elsewhere, it's all grassroots.

Yeah. Yep. And I think, 1 of the most important things about this is the vision of the success at the end. So like, people who don't like each other. But if you have the skill set, I'm employing you. If you've got the skill set, I'm employing you because I need those skills. And I'm gonna pay you what you're worth, to pass those skills onto to other people or to help train or perform the function

that you can train. Like, that's important. I think in this is that there's gotta be a like, I'm working towards a vision of this. And personalities aside, like, I'm getting it done. Mh. And money is what solves all of that. You know what I mean? Not always. Not always. But for the most part. Money is what solves a lot of those issues. When people say, I don't work with that guy and you're go, hey, is how much Pay. They go, work with them no problem. Right?

Because we're gonna use people for what they provide us. Yep. This is the vision that I have for it. Mh. I think it's worth pointing out for people who are still listening. In Australia, big working dog kennel don't exist. There's a few small people trying to port it off and they're doing their bits and pieces. Yeah Don't have vendors and we don't have execute. Yeah. You don't have it. It's not a big thing. It's not a big viable

business. Yeah for many reasons, but to start doing it now, the main reason is the cost of the facility. Yep. So you won't get a return. Real estate in Australia is, like, horrendous expensive. And I think Metropolitan and Sydney prices are the second highest in the world. Yeah. And so the cost of the facility, the cost of the wages along the way to do it, like it's

not a viable business. Mh. But potentially, if when we build it up, like when it's running, it could be a profitable business to run, but you could not build it and recover your costs. That will never happen. But if when it were running, then we said, okay, we're cutting off your funding and you have to make your own money, that's viable. If the facility is built. The dogs are in. The clients are there ready to buy dogs. Yep. It's a viable

thing to keep running. But what we don't have is facilities to do it, What doesn't happen in Australia is that police and military don't send their handlers out for their handler courses. They run them internally. So that changes the way that dog work happens and the level to which dogs are trained before they're sold. That affects that because They don't wanna a dog with too much training because the handler has to learn to train that dog

on his course. And so the idea of that you train the dog to a standard then the handler comes in and you do the hand over a 6 week period with your handle of course or whatever it is. That doesn't happen here like that happens in many other places in the world. Yep. We don't have big schools where you can go and spend 06:12 months and get your hands on a ton of dogs and be learning

shit tons along the way. We don't really have that, you know, in doing this project, the whole dog industry changes. It's hyper niche. It is hyper niche because I'm talking about the working dog end of it. But I promise you if you wanna do in home behavior mode, you spend 12 months at a place like that, you understand in home behavior mode better than fucking most people out there. You are at accomplished dog

person. And when you've been getting those kind of dogs and training them all day and dealing with the issues that come of those kind of dogs and all the things that we'll be dealing with. You are very accomplished dog trainer to then go into work in a facility doing board trains or working for yourself doing in home behavior model whatever you wanna do after that. Mate, I can't express, the gratitude I have for people like boyd who gave me a leg up in the industry by teaching me to teach

protection and law enforcement dogs. It gave me a massive leg up above other people in the industry who were doing pet dog training, not only did I understand pet dog training, but I understood it from multiple different levels and applications where I could deal with dogs that other people were unprepared to work with, wouldn't work with by choice. Or had 0 skills to be able to execute it.

Understanding the application of dogs with potential in drives, sent detection dogs, you're at a massive advantage to anybody in the industry because you have a skill set unmatched by 95 percent of the dog training population. Yeah. Unmatched for sure. And so they're the people that will be churning out and put them back into the community. I had my birthday the other day. I turned 54 years old.

Even at my age now, I'm still getting cold around the kennel to pull aggressive dogs out because the staff that work with them. And this is not a b on my staff. I'm not having to go with them. Some of these people are very new, and they shouldn't be touching these dogs and they do the right thing, but I'm still pulling the dogs out of the kennel for them.

And this is why I say to people when I have a scorn about people in the industry who are doing aggression consultation work they sit in an office talking about it or prescribing meds for the dogs, but have no real practical application. This would solve that. Yeah. For sure. This would absolutely solve that. For sure. The more you're talking about this, the more board I am

with it. There's so many different cool things that can come Like, you wanna do a a long term study on behavioral training and how it goes. No worries. That's Saying your entire university thesis, your Phd could be you know, you come along from 1 of the institutes and say, hey. I've got a team of people who wanna study the behavioral analysis of these dogs. Yep. And also be able to train your staff, run conferences and so

forth on what they're actually seeing. The entire network comes in an internal conference happens where we say, hey, We've got the Mit of Canine behavior. Yep. Here to present their findings to us Like, you... They've been spending the last 18 months watching the development of these puppies, these females along the way, and they're going to upscale us in the knowledge of what we're actually doing. Yeah. And you could run full long term studies on... Okay. Here's a litter of

dogs. Yep. There's 10 of them. Let's cut them into quarters, not literally. Yeah. Like Yeah. But we then go... Alright. These few are gonna be raised with this kind of training method. These 2 are gonna be raised with this. These 2 are gonna be raised with this 2 years later. Let's see where they're at. And we've got the same people training them because we've cross loaded these but, like, it's not like I'm wed to this as how

I do things. It's the people who are there are like, hey, man, I want this to achieve. So if you tell me to train these 2 dogs with a particular a method, and then these 2 those with a different method and see which 1 pans are. Yeah. My job is to see how it goes, not be successful with either. So I don't have a bias as to how this pans out. I would want the data so that on the next litter of dogs, we know the best way to do it. Right? And so I think that's the sort of

data that we don't have. It's invaluable. Yeah. That's invaluable. And the scaling of this thing, like, I imagine it at the bigger scale, and I explained it at the biggest scale. But the truth is, even if it were just 1 facility, it would still be worthwhile doing. Right? Like, even if the phone rings and someone says, hey, Pat, I've done the actual costing on this. And 30000000 dollars is only gonna get you 1 of these places

and run it for that long. It's still worth doing because we can do all the same shit. We're just not gonna have as much redundancy as if we do it at a bigger a scale. Well, you can template it too. Like, once you sort of ina out the kinks, then hopefully, somebody will wanna further invest and say, now that you've got the prototype underway. Yep. And you've developed this template. Yep. Now you've done that. I'm willing to expand it into other state. So you've you've got

1 in Sydney It's humming along. Yep. Let's build another 1 in perth. Yep. Right. And so, like, it doesn't have to be a all at once. So we can do East West. Yep. Yep. But the most important thing that I keep coming back to is that it has to have a decision maker. There has to be a person who is only wed to this excess of it. And that's why I like, I see this as a vision. And again, I wanna explain, like, if

my phone rang, there's no chances happening. But if my phone rang, and so I said, hey, I'm back in this thing, but you have to run it. I would do it. Yeah. But if it went to tender, like, if the government decided if somebody in the background is working on the... This or a better plan, and they're looking for a person to run it. I'm not volunteering. Like, I'm I'm very happy with what I'm doing, but

it has to have a head. And it has to have a person who makes all these decisions and is paid a salary regardless of how it goes. Yep. So that and doesn't end up on the ray hadley show. Yeah. But so their salary is not conditional on anybody else's influence. It's that they're just working towards success, and they're allowed to make decisions that assist in doing that. Yep. But may... I think that it would be cool. And like I say, like, it's a pipe dream. It's something that I've had in my mind

for a long time. I obviously have much more sort of detail in my mind than we're sort of going into as we waffle here, But there needs to be more detail put into it. And, yeah. This is just this is a high level just sketching it out. And every time I mentioned this, there's always people that sc at the money, but then there's other people who know what I know about this kind of

thing that are like, yeah, totally feasible. Like, you're in the right place at the right time, got the ear of the right person. Yeah. Totally feasible. But you've seen plenty of projects who multiples and multiples of beans are being tipped into them. Yep. And like I said, it could be a private back that just decides Daddy Elon might decide. Yeah. I'm up for fixing the dog problem in Australia. Right right? But then it's real money or as real as money can be. Yep. But like I say,

government infrastructure projects are not real money. That's not they're spending money into existence and they're fucking doing that nonstop all the time every day. You know. Let me make something very clear to everybody out there. The government's money is our money. But it's not even real. So remember Covid, Like I can't remember what they did America, but remember when they gave us, was it 900 bucks or something this gave everybody 900 bucks. Yeah Right? That was the money. They

didn't get that from somewhere. That didn't have to come out of my list. They just went... We're making up 9 900 dollars per person. Yep. Right? Do that again, but give it to me and let me fix the dog problem with it. Right? Like, because they're doing that shit all the time, the type of money that we're talking about, is a drop in the ocean. It's 1 fighter jet. You know what It mean like

It's yeah. Exactly. These. Exactly. You could have the entire dog problem fixed to the point where no government agency in Australia ever worried about where they get their next dog from and that there's there's many of them we're exporting and all around the world. For the cost of a fighter jet. Our 30 five's has never happened, and we never got the 20 twos. But 1 fighter jet, we could have the dog problem sold. And a fraction of a submarine. Yeah. Yeah. Like

the snorkel on a submarine. Yeah. 1 of the propellers. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. On the upside of this, when you're looking at the trade off. When anybody's doing the figures in their head, what it would do to our industry capability would be invaluable. Well, it solves the working dog problem in all the working dog spaces. Not in a short term in the medium term. It solves that. Right? But again, in the medium term, it upscale dog trainers

incredibly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's we don't have to be just shorts sided because we've already gone through the upside of every little box that it could tick along the way. I think we've only just got to flesh this out. I mean, obviously, you've been meditating on this a lot longer than I have because the reason I'm asking all these brilliantly placed questions of mine. This is the first time we're we haven't yet. We've never spoken about. We haven't. Well, we've had other

than me mentioning it. Yeah. We've had it mentioned, but we've never really... I've never had it fleshed out before. So it's peaking my curiosity. And as you're discussing, as you're bringing it up, I can start to see the vision of the template building out in my head. Yeah. So I can see it where it could go and the potential reach it could have and what it could mean to our industry. And as I've said before, 1 of the things that is very important to me is creating legacy. Not about myself.

It's not about a wrecking a monument in my name. It's never gonna happen. But what's important to me when I'm on my deathbed. I'd love to look back on this. Just for myself, I had little part in that. I had a little part in helping these people achieve that, and that was important to me. Like I stood for something. Things like this are important for your legacy, but it's done for the right reasons. It's not done for people's

un egos. It's done that we're leaving something behind for the next generation to say, we can make this better. You know, like, we can expand on this. And instead of us being dis and fragmented and having state groups not talking to federal groups, we can have everybody talking to everyone. Yeah. We're all in on this. We are 1 country we're defending our borders, we're protecting our citizens, This is in the national interest of the Australian sovereign and its people. Yeah. For sure.

I think the vision that I have of it too is that each 1 of these places becomes a mecca in its region. Yeah. So you got an agility trial. Have it at our place. Right? We've got a whole field here. You wanna do some lure course. Yeah. This is a dog place. Yeah. It's for dog things to happen. Yeah. And so in that way, we're we're constantly exposing ourselves Yeah. To new information, new people, new techniques,

but people to us Yep. As well. And so that's part of my vision for it is that the cross leveling of the staff, like the staff, the amount of training that could go into making sure that not only are we got really good trainers at facility, but we're continuing to make more of them. Yeah. Like we're continuing to upscale people and put them out into the community that have dealt with real dogs and now when someone's got their dog pulling him down the street. They're like, oh, it's

easy. I've fucking working with killers that dragged me from the kennel. Or when somebody has a dangerous dog that won't come out of the channel. They're like, oh, this is Wednesday. Like exactly. Exactly right. I have an employee that's being accredited through this school. They know how to do Yeah. And for argument sake the annual justice party have any ethical concerns. We'll say, we're addressing all of. We don't need to be involved in this because we're

addressing all of Thank you very much. Yeah. Something I agree with you entirely, and I hadn't really thought of it was, I think having a, like, an ethics or a oversight person embedded in it. Yeah. We're wanna know how we're treating the dolls. Like, we've got a person whose job it is to report off. He's our ethics manager. You can speak to them. They have all the data, all the information and total transparency to take

you through. Yep. Yeah. And that person is oversee by me or the other that goes like, Hey. I don't wanna see a fucking biases in this. Like, I wanna see. This is true neutrality. Yeah. You speak the facts. There is no left. There is no right. This is total neutrality, this is how it stands. Yeah. We're just... We're aiming to success and nothing else. You're talking the science, not the bot science. Yep. So that's it. That's my plan. Putting it out in the universe.

Oh, I when you first brought this up to me, it was a couple of years ago I think the first time I heard the idea of it. I kinda liked it, but I kinda thought, to pie in the sky. There's just no much is. It is, but I just kept thinking myself. It's 1 of those things that sounds good on paper, but just trying to get everybody to agree on it. I actually think we're at a time where I've seen cohesion happening. Yeah. Like I've seen federal and stay and Army all talking

to each other. Thanks to a few key people who actually have got together and said, hey, we should be mapping this out to Yeah. Because of those key people, and those key people should actually be involved in this project. Yeah. Because they're the people that make sound investment in other people's futures, not just their own. Yeah. And I think this is the beauty of it that if the money is allocated, and you get people who are like, I oppose that. Yep. It's like cool man. You'll

be left behind. Like, that's what we're doing it. We don't need your fucking permission. Yeah. And so if you're organization, your unit, whatever. It doesn't wanna be involved in it. That's fine. Yeah. Fuck off. We're doing it, and you'll come grove back to us in the future, and we'll provide you the dogs then. Yeah. But if you don't wanna play at the start, that's fine. We don't need you. That's what's important about it is the money's put there. I don't have to ask anyone

for help. I can pay the people who I need to do the jobs. And I know all the right, like, yeah know, Off the top of my head, I can name most of the people that should be involved in this from around Australia. And if I have the money, I can pay them enough that they will come on onboard. Yep. Right, even though they've got their own shit going on, but I'm like, hey, man. A salary, and it's a salary. You're getting paid that every 2 weeks, we're working towards this. Yep.

People have fucking doing that. If there's some obstruction. It's like, I don't think it's a good idea. We're like, fuck you. You you don't involved then. That's fine. But doing it. Anyway? That's my plan. Elon. I know you're a Avid listener of the show. He is. I heard that. Just sends me a casual tweet every now and then and just says, love what your boys are doing, keep it up. My bigger a concern ethically. Yep. Is when you say if somebody offers you that money

overseas, would you do it? And probably not. But if there were private backers offering the money to do it australia, there'd be some concerns over who? Well, the concern Am Taken russian money to do this. Well, that's a athena sector. The the can... And that's why I'm saying transparency needs to be disclosed upfront. Yeah. Like you can't start this on... Yeah. I think that the whole thing would have to be open source. It does. Like the books are

here. It's Google. It's a Google drive. You can fucking log in and see it whenever you want. This is where we're spending all the money. Yeah. I think that would sit comfortably with people as long as they couldn't find any form of corruption through it. Yeah. Unfortunately, we're living in a world where people just don't have anything better to do with their time other than to look into your

business. Yeah. And if they can find something that's remotely dirty or suspicious or it looks like it's been black opt or something like that. Yeah. Immediately, it raises a red flag and immediately thing all of the... Yeah. We're not doing it the. We're fucking resin dogs. Yeah. You know what? Like, you could see or, like, I know that, but I, like I'm saying, you know, like, if suddenly, you get 30 to 50000000 dollars, I think it's more around 50000000 dollars. That's

the summer that Okay. I'm sort of doing... I'm happy to make a 50... I'm thinking 50 just to make this plausible with all the salaries and with the buy ins and the infrastructure and everything like that. It's considerable.

Mh. But as long as that did come through an ethical source, which I suggested before, perhaps we could look at crowdfunding funding it where everybody's got say in it, then we could say it to him well, As a reward, we're gonna put on seminar, and all the people who did this tier of money, you get Vip spot. Like, yeah. Get access to it all. Yeah. Get access to it all. Like, you're part of our training plan

going forward. The main thing is wherever the money came from, You just don't wanna be behold to people. So you can see how I'm spending it, but you don't have any say house. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. They can't put a leash around in and then say, well, you got my money now you're my Yeah. Yeah. That's not how it's gonna get. Can't be like that. Yeah. That's why the government stuff never

worked. There's plenty of government breeding programs there's plenty of government facilities that are kinda like this, but what there isn't is a czar. Yeah. That's in charge of it all. That is like, no. Fuck you. This is how we're doing it Like, don't try and tell me what to do. You don't know anything about this. Fuck off being counter. Like, I know that one's 3 dollars cheaper. I know that widget is 3 dollars cheaper than that 1, but you don't understand

the difference between what those widgets us. I don't fucking tell me which 1 to buy. Well, that's what happens when investment groups get involved on board with a good product because they come in and they say, well, now that we're on board and now we have shareholders money involved in this. Now you have to find a much cheaper way Yeah producing the same product, and we don't care if the standard goes down. We just need it done cheaper so we can see more return.

That's what happens say throughout the army for sure. So everywhere, man. Take for example, Like think things having to go to tinder and stuff in government. So have to choose my words carefully. But a long time ago, we bought D. It's where you can just buy stuff off the shelf. Right? Yep. The problem with the military buying stuff off the shelf is it's not in the system then. Right? So you can't get replacement parts. You can't get that kind of stuff like we bought

hundred kits of it. And we've just got a hundred kits. Whereas usually in the military, if you want a hundred kits of it, you need, like, 500 kits of it because people will break it, it needs to be replaceable, gotta issue it to new people that come in, all that kind of stuff. Right? Yep. So then it goes onto to, like, the block scales, which is where it's got a a number and it can be ordered, and then keep a certain number of them on the shelf at all time ready to

go to replacement things. But what especially happens in special forces is we get a lot of what they call Do for or you just buy it. Right? Yep. But years ago, we bought a particular type of body armor, and we just fitted out 1... I think it was just a platoon initially, like, 30 guys got kid out with this fucking really slick body armor. And it wasn't even the plates. It was just the carriage of it. Yep. And then we're like, we want this. But it has to go to tinder. And

so then they go, okay. But you can't say you want that brand. You have to tell us what it is you want, describe it. And anybody who meets that description at the lowest price is gonna be the provider of it. What we ended up with was this fucking dog shit version. Why is that? Because that's how the government system works. Right? So... And that's to avoid corruption and all kinds of stuff. But that's what slows

things down and avoids. And if there's an Australian vendor of a product, you cannot buy it. Oh, fuck, I don't even know where that law is. But that is a law. That if there's an Australian, vendor of a foreign product, you have to buy from that Australian vendor. You can't go around them directly to the manufacturer. I don't mind that. Yeah. As long as the australian vendor can provide you with... Yeah. Have I ever told you the story of, Aqua terra and how they started. Who's aqua?

Aqua terra is gun runners in the country. There's really 2. There's Na and there's Aqua terra. So they're the biggest companies that import military equipment. Right? So, like guns and stuff like that. Aqua terra, now this is tenth hand. The guy that owned that was had a little sale repair shop in Lo. And you could stop in, get your sales repaired and away you go. So 1 day, this guy comes in, getting your sales repaired. And while he's waiting for his sales to be repaired. He's

like, hey, What's that on the wall. And he goes, oh, that's called a mustang survival suit. Yeah. What is it? He as well. It's a fucking, like, dry suit. That is designed to survive in arctic temperatures with. They're crazy expensive. They're like 10000 dollars each I've got that 1. I'm aware of it because I'm, you know, into it, and I know the guys at Mustang who have made that thing, and I've got this 1 here. So this gentleman

says, oh, that's interesting. I'll take it. So while he's sitting there getting his sales repaired, he buys it. Was Tony Bo. And so when he caps in Antarctica, the rules around the rescue in Antarctica, If you're in the water for more than 24 hours you're dead. Alright? Like, there's no way you're surviving. So when the navy got there 6 days later, to rescue him. They're expecting to find his frozen fucking corpse and what they find is

him, alive in his mustang survival suit. So the navy decide we have to figure out everybody in these mustang well. They call mustang and say, hey, we need 50000 of these suits to fit out on all the ships, and they, no, we've got an australian distributor. You have to talk to him. He's guy made a phone call. Yep. Ed fog bought these suits at in Navy. Now that could be a butcher story. Right? Like,

that's tenth hand Heard that story. But that's how you got into the business of selling stuff in this military because he's like, you guys want anything else. It's this doesn't fucking done of money of me. Anyway, alright. We guess should go train of dogs. Yeah. I like the plan and hopefully, somebody will tinker around this inside the head. Yeah. Maybe value in it or not or not, but I'm ready. It certainly looks that

way. Need just probably another 6 months to finish online course that I'm doing then I can change to this. I really would like to get that body of work done. Yeah. But after that, I can change to this if you'd be. Alright. Hey? That's it. For another episode. Can Paradigm. Yeah. You did. Made it to the end. We did. Good for you. Yeah. You listened all the way through. Yeah. I just wanna give a big shout out for the episode we did last week.

Oh, yeah. I know that it was a little bit convoluted and it went all around the world and then came back a couple of times. A bit like this 1. A bit like this 1. It frustrated a few people. I know that, but it also gave me the scope to have some very interesting conversations of people. As I said to you, and I alluded to you in a message. It's give me the most reach to people that don't feel confident in talking about this.

Mh. It was like therapy for me to be honest, dumping that off my chest, made me feel like I've just gotten rid of a a burden that I've been carrying around for a long time. Mh. And having those humbling conversations with people. Thank you very much by the way, for trusting me with that confidence as well. Hopefully, you too will be able to escape some of the prejudice that you're feeling I'm talking both vaccinated un vaccinated people who were talking about the Covid thing in itself.

Not only that, but also not bought into, but under stands my concerns and the long reaching effect of what I think is a greater problem with pharmaceutical companies meddling into field. Mh. Some people said they found it frustrating. Some people didn't understand the concept of it, but also a majority of people said, it's very plausible when you play it out. And when you think deeply into it. And I said, unfortunately, that's where my mind went, and that's where I spend a lot of the time doing

it. But anyway, I'm not gonna rehash the whole episode if you wanna go back and listen to it. I know we never really concluded anything of it because there is nothing that I can conclude on it. It's only a suspicion. As I've alluded to before, I'm a suspicious motherfucker. I've been made that type of person from interactions with my step father upward. It shaped me into this person. I've become suspicious of people, and then I'd become suspicious of things in the industry and things in my life.

And it's not that I'm constantly waiting for people to disappoint me. It's just that it has given me a sense of I need to see how things play out. Mh. I need to look beyond the storefront or the racket that's being presented to me. I think in life, a lot of times what people do is they play out a racket to you. And then behind the storefront is the real dealings of what's going on behind. So in the back room, that's where the honesty

lies. And that's where I try and look into in people that I deal with in our businesses that I'm dealing with and so forth is what's happening in that back room? Mh. What's that back room discussion forgive me if immediately, I push you away sometimes, that's a sort of person I am. I give a little bit of pushback because I wanna know that I'm dealing with a real person and not just somebody who's trying to pitch something To or get something from me. I need to know... Do I have

a friend here? Or is this a business dealing? Because when I let my guard down and I realized, I thought you're my friend and this was just a business dealing. It's fucking hurt me to no end. Mh. That's my problem. But that's what shaped me into that suspicious person I'm talking about. I'm also afraid for our industry genuinely afraid for our industry when I think there's a higher power playing with this like where, mh battery hen, bread toe lay eggs for them. You know

what it would solve that problem? What's that? My project to. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I'm in agreeing with that. That's why I'm interested in it, and I think it was timely, and I think it was the right time to talk about it because I really feel that this would address a lot of our problems and a lot of the meddling that's going on and would also expose them along the way. Without us having to do it that they would expose themselves and that's it for another conspiracy.

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could get in a spring. Links are in the show notes. Same as patreon. The links are in the show notes. So wherever you're listening to us. Click on 1 of those. That imagine thing. If we get this facility, how much space will have for tapestry? Oh, it'd be tapestry whatever. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be how we get accused the corruption. Right. How much money to just spend on paradigm da trees. You make 8 dollars off of each 1. Fucking hell you've made 16 dollars corruption.

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But you never know. You never. You never know. Alright. Love you. Bye. Bye.