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you saying there's no patient confidentiality? No. You're a confidentiality. Oh, sorry. It's list confidentiality. What's a automating list. You... Are you aware my dog is taking pee collagen and... What is everything takes? Anton. Yeah. Yeah. It's been on that. Is not Nor l's business, but I've gotta do a shout out for. Are absolutely fan fantastic. The very supportive of our show. Mh. Whenever we've done seminars and so forth, they have been first to dip their hand in
their pocket. They are very generous with their product. But let me just say all that aside, their generosity and their advertising and marketing. Let me just say on the other side of that their product is amazing. Yeah. Like it does work. It's very official. For sure. It's 1 of those things where they say anton for every dog every day. I totally agree
with that. Nor has even supported that when people have asked them about her product, she says, the 2 things that I would absolutely give to you is Anton and her gut protect formula. Yeah. Gut protect is like her holy grail. Of of a whole of the range. This is not me market talking. Okay? Because we are an mad. This is this is an ad, but this is not made to a market. But we've already pointed out
we're she at. I know. Of all the things that she sells and she sells some killer product, But the 1 thing that she does sell, which I absolutely agree with her every dog should have this product is the gut protect. Really? A hundred percent. It's nothing that they need for being sick. It's something that they need to do just to maintain great gut balance. Okay. And gut balances like mental health That's 1 of those things that you absolutely wanna get control around. So products
like anton, Great every day. Gut protect, great for every day. There's other products that aren't even related to hers called things like call rose vital and stuff like that. Absolutely fantastic for dogs to be on every sort day. Mh. But I know there's other people we need to talk about. If you wanna learn more about Nor products, go to a website, canine dot com, I think it's. I think it's till you'll figure it out. It's dot dot au you. It's 1 of
the. No touch session anyway. Everyone just Google's it and just Google it. You'll find it. Hey. Yeah. George. Alright, wish she get him on the show. We should have George On the show. Not only is he devilish handsome. Yep. But he's got a fantastic 1 of a kind product that I've never seen replicated anywhere in the world. You or me, we're getting a car ride by him. We got to the prototype first hand. And then he's bike got stolen with the prototype box. Over that? Yes. Yeah. But anyway, George
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to help with her tailored training. Cheers. And finally, mh. Barber Groot. The sugar mama from the heart dog trainer heart dog trainer. Fucking throws cash at just supports the show God bless. Yeah. I think later on the year when And I are over doing a seminar with Melanie Ben. Barbara D group is coming over. I think she has put down a a like, and I said you better come sugar mama and she gave me a thumbs up.
So hopefully, she's gonna be there, and I can give her some love to repay us for all the kindness and support that she's thrown At and asked nothing in return. Alright. That's our ad. Yeah. That one's good to go for at least another 4 years. We'll hear from us then. Welcome back to the Can Paradigm. Your host, Pat stewart. I'm joined in studio today by my c. Glen? Hello, sir, and hello, everybody out there in Internet land. How are you? I'm good. Well, we've got a topic. We
have. Couple of days ago. Mh. It was a couple of days ago yesterday. Yesterday. We was. Before we put this podcast out. Yeah. Not for people listening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we were live with Bill Church, bow our bill he asked us to come on, took some scheduling, but we figured out a time, and we did it. And the 3 of us 3 guys at microphones talked over each other for 3 hours. We didn't do too bad. Yeah. We did it considering. We did alright. I remember many years ago.
Brent Dry actually reached out to me and he said, hey, Dude. There's times where other people are talking and you just like cut them off. That resonated with me, like, Anytime Brent speaks to me. I know Brent speaking to me from the heart. That's just who he is with people. I never took it offensive. I took it constructively. And I thought, yeah. I don't wanna do that to people, and I don't wanna be that guy. Mh. Now when people are talking, I spend more time listening to what they have to say.
And what they're talking about because there are conversations that I'm involved in where people are sharing really interesting information. Mh And rather than listening with the intent to reply, which I find a lot of people do. They have this which is neutral. It is, And they have this urgency to just speak over the top of you. When that's happening, you're not really invested in the conversation. You're invested in what you have to say. Mh, That hit home. I thought about that, and I considered
that. So when you made the comment the other day, it's 3 guys gonna talk over each other on microphone. I thought, let's not do that. If somebody talking, they're having a good runner at, and if the topic is interesting, let that person have their run and talk about what they're talking about and listen to what they've gotta say because you might learn something, and it might be relevant to your partition in the conversation as well. Speaking of people having their run of talking. Yep. You
in probably the middle portion of that. Yeah people wanted to go back and listen. Started talking about the effect of pharmaceutical companies on the dog world. And it's something that we've sort of touched on before because we've talked about the over prescription of I's to dogs. Yep. We've talked about how famously, there's some veterinary behavior that we're aware of that have based written the prescription before you even sit down. Mh. It certainly is a bug bear of many dog trainers
because clearly it's outside of our wheelhouse. So 1 of the tricky parts I've always found is when you turn up to someone's house and they tell you the dogs on med, And they say, well, do you think the dog needs meds. It's a tricky answer because just, like, I'm not an expert in this stuff. And I can say, well, I think that this is a behavioral issue. And I think that... We can fix this. Like the anxiety that is being caused here that we're treating with meds has actually caused by if
got this dollar a lot of options. You're inconsistent in the way that you show things. You're giving the dog really high payoffs for inconsistent things, so the dog doesn't know where to find its advantage and therefore frantic over that. And so a lot of the times, I've found myself saying to people well, if this were my dog, I would never have occurred to me to even begin with meds. But I can't tell you not to take these meds, and even
the path to going off these meds. That's a whole thing You can't just cut these door law. Right? And so these are the sorts of things that outside of my wheelhouse, whereas the training of it, plenty of times in my life. People have said my dogs on meds at because of this if issue. And I am I'm faced with the position where I say, well, I've tried that same issue, plenty of times with the out use of meds. And similarly, like, I'm about to do the same thing with your dog. But now we're in a
position where we go. Well, the meds knocked the edge off it, and you were able to train it. Isn't an easy answer Yeah. And the problem is I think as well, those situations absolutely do exist. And I think probably only 3 times, I can remember saying to owner of a dog, like, hey, I'm out of my debts. Like, this isn't working. The
way that I think it should work. 1 time that really sticks in my mind you know, like I can remember the smell in the room, You know, was like, a very strong memory of me looking at this kelp that was just a fucking mess. And every trick that I had about trying to get into this dog's head was not working. Mh and I saying the owner, hey, this isn't a dog trainer issue. This is a veterinary and behavioral issue. You've gotta go see someone, which
is a responsible thing to do. Yeah. And so I've only done that a few times. I think I can only remember doing if 3 times. That's not to say Haven't done it more times. But 1 in 1 in particular, where I was like, oh, I don't know what the fuck is happening here. I'm out of my dad and it wasn't early in my career that like, it was at a time where I really was effectively training many dogs and this 1 was beyond me.
We've had a history of talking about meds on the show, and the influence that they have on dogs and for sure that we believe that... And I think most dog trainers sort of to an extent degree that there's an over prescription of meds. You had sort of an interesting take on that that you brought up during Bill show. Before we get into this, I just wanna side step into another story. Where I feel now it's a safe enough time to discuss it without the backlash that I would have
got years ago. Who did? I never got vaccinated during the entire Covid process. U. I have told people. I've told groups of colleagues and friends. It cost me some friendships. Because of most of our listeners outside of Australia. Yep. It's worth pointing out the vaccination rate in Australia was in the 90 percent. Yeah. I was here because we'll forced to. Yep. Even though they said it's at your choice. Yeah. But you would lose your job, you couldn't go anywhere. Yep. Allowed a fly.
Weren't allowed of travel. Weren't allowed to have the freedoms of a human being. Yeah. And the stores that you could go into was even limited. Right? So, like, you could go into, as supermarket. I'm not or coffee shops so, but not even like Jb Hi. Like to get into, like, an electronic store, like a special store. They're like, no You don't need to be in here. Yeah. You buy your food un fascinated, but you can't fucking
enter. Was that the case? Or was it even that you can go into the supermarket. No. You can go to the supermarket. Yeah. Okay. What a wild time to live through? I know We've said this a myriad of times, but what a wild time to live through where I never imagined that I would see something like that in my life. I thought I'd see a significant war and we have seen wars. You've been in wars, But I thought I'd say and still possibly will, see a significant war front, but never a biological
threat. Mh. Where we would be forcibly held captive in our homes and then told it was for our benefits, and then having all local governments around the world, then following a same narrative everywhere they were going. Mh. It was just incredible to watch them literally fashion, saying the same thing over and over again. And for me, and many of my family and some of my colleagues. We all felt the same way. Like, I just thought to myself, something's not right here. I don't feel
good about this. I slowly revealed to other people outside that circle. I'm not getting get vaccinated. I'm not gonna have it done. And some people were starting to hit me with the... Oh, you're an You're a conspiracy theorist, all the insults that they were trading, and they were coming fast
and furious from a few people. And I was overwhelmed with the fact that people that I've known for many, many years were sa me about that and saying, well, I don't want you killing my children or my grandparents. I said to them, I've had Covid, and I lived. My doctor even said to me, he was forcibly trying to vaccinate me. I went there. He was... Putting pressure on me left right and Sarah said, you better get this done or else you may join the list of fatalities. And I said would you
put your house on that comment? And he goes, what do you mean? I said, in 3 years time, when not all this is over when they're saying it's gonna be over. And I said, because the governments are indicating that it's gonna be over in 20 23. And I don't know how they know that, but they're all saying at Alan Joyce from Qantas was saying it. That's an interesting thing that Alan Joyce who's subsequently been fired, but, or had to leave Qantas because he did
such a fucking terrible job. Yep. He said right when they shut down the airlines, that that would be shut internationally until 20 23. Right. In the comment on air. Yeah. They were all saying Daniel Andrews was saying that he goes, Gonna lock you up till 20 23 so that they had this number in mind, which made me think how do they know this? Mh right back then in 20 20 Do they know this? How do they know that 20 23 is the magic number where Covid just gonna disappear?
How do they know this? How For me, I'm not an in any way shape or form. I've had so many fucking vaccinations. I've got scars from vaccines that I've had from a kid. I regularly get fitness vaccines. I'm not an. I don't even subscribe to that. And I didn't try and stop people from getting the vaccine. It I said to them, I've got reservations. I don't feel right there's something resonating deep within my soul that this isn't right. I just don't trust this system, and I
don't really trust what's going on here. So I decided that I wasn't gonna do it, and I was going to suffer the negative punishment that they were putting down on us. Like all... Things that we talk about as dog trainers. As and I'm revealing something which is quite a depth of vulnerability here. And there still might be people that hear this now. I might be angry with me in thinking you're tricks is for not doing this then. You're a disease rat. Yeah. But I've had Covid. Right? And that's what
I said to my doctor. I? I had Covid. I've had it twice. So I've had 2 significant forms of Covid. I had Alpha Covid and I had omni Covid. So I've had some pretty heavy bout with Covid and never died. I got sick. I didn't like it, and it's not that I don't believe in Covid. I fully believe in Covid. I always believed in Covid. I believed it was real thing. I never believed it started in a wet market in Wuhan.
Mh. I'd never believed that at all. I believe that it was man made construct in the lab, but that's my theory. Don't want this to become the Covid show because I'm quite frankly I'm sick fucking tired talking about it. What I'm talking about is my concern with the power that was misused against us. And the control mechanisms that were put inside and how it's changed us as a society. Like, I can see significant change in the way that people interact with each other, the mistrust that people have
with each other since Covid. It's forged a new society. What we were before Covid is not what we are on the other side of it. A good example of that, Ia is completely different Mh from what it was pre Covid to what it is post Covid. Even traveling around the world doesn't seem the same anymore. It doesn't seem like the joyous thing it used to be. Like, there were so many different things. I'm not saying it's the Folder or anything. I'm just saying this is
a result of... There was massive change to all sorts of every structure that I am going back to normal. That's right. It never really reset properly. And we're we're all enjoying the freedoms and people might say, well, that's because everyone got vaccinated you fall. But now, I've got friends who have I've got genuine injury from vaccines. Mh. I've got people and family, my chiropractor, and so forth who have I've got vaccine related injury.
And most of them will say, that's not true that's just something that they had beforehand, but now Astra has come forward and saying, yeah, well, it's true that people will possibly get blood clots. Mh. Now they're owning up to it. Now it's starting to come out of the wood
work. Now imagine that. Imagine the fucking horror of that, of trusting the people who are pushing you and using negative punishment against you and betray you and forcing you to get it and saying they're safe they're safe safe, all your government leaders. They're safe. They're safe. They're safe. Fucking puppets with a hand up their ass. Mh. Telling you they're safe. Now they're saying, oh, Sorry. You've got the vaccine that causes some issues, but it's a very small chance of
that happening. How do you know whether you're the fucking unlucky rule that number that comes up in that. Mh. Anyway, I decided not to do it. Many of my family decided not to do it. What I was very fortunate about was that I was in a good group of people who decided not to do it, you know, like, if everybody else wants to do this. And as I said, when I opened up in this whole conversation, I didn't say it
to people either way. I didn't say you should get vaccinated or you shouldn't get vaccinated. I just said, it's your body. It's your temple. You decide what's best for you. And I knew people that said, I wanna go overseas or I wanna see my parents or anything like that. So I'm gonna go and get the vaccine. Now does said do it makes you feel right. And then they would say, doesn't that make you feel like you should do it. And I said there is
a side of me that thinks. This is a fast track to getting the things I want, and I said, but I also know how negative punishment works as well. I'm confused. At the world narrative that you don't have to get this, but, yes, you really do. Because we'll take everything away from you if you don't. So I said... It's an ultimate
game of punishment. So now I get into the original topic now that we've gotten away from that whole discussion, and I've really been looking at the incredible change that's happened in my dog training experience and how we've suddenly got into this narrative where we've become the enemy. In the lens of many of these people around the world. The balance trainers is, the people who are continuing and holding the hard line that we wanna use tools. We're becoming an enemy in the public arena.
And that's confusing to me. Because when I look at it as where the savior is. Mh. We're good people where people who really deeply care about the well being and the livelihood of many of the dogs that we're working with. And I think about the aches and pains of my body, like the genuine aches and pains that I have in my hands and my arms,
my shoulders, everything like that. For all the dogs that I've been managing handling working with the clients that I've been sweating over the genuine tears that I've shared for them and their dogs like genuinely, crying over other people's dogs because I'm fucking so frustrated about the shit they've had to go through whether it
is. Dog training can be so rich and so rewarding, yet it can be so psychologically bending at times, where it can either break you or can bend you so hard, you can see the splinter forming in your yourself. I think the whole animal industry is like that. Rather, Why Shut high suicide rates amongst vets. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
That whole concept, it's super frustrating to me that when you perceive that what you've done in your life's work or even a large part of your life when you're dedicating that time to them, why then are government's turning against us. And they are, because they're making up laws to take tools away from people and literally, that's a admission that we're bad people? Because why would you wanna use at tool that we wanna and we think is horrible in cruel with no real research put into it.
It's just the vin indication of the popular percentage. It just doesn't make sense to me. So then I started really looking at it. And as I was talking to you when we're outside before before we switch the mic on, there's 2 quotes that I often think about all the time. These resonate in my head quite regularly, and it did with Covid, it came up a lot of the times during Covid, and it's also in business as well. That is. If you really wanna know who owns you, find out who you can't criticize.
Mh. You don't have to go too far up the chain to work out what happens when you criticize certain people because things can happen to you. You can lose your job, you can lose your house, you can sometimes lose your life. Depending on what country you are, where you are. People do have control over you. The other quote was if you wanna know where something's is going, follow the money trail. The remarkable thing is I keep thinking about. How come
these people are so adamant about it. Is it because they've been conditioned and trained to do it? Or is it because there is an for this group of people that they basically think to themselves. I own this massive company now. I'm the Ceo or I'm a shareholder or whatever I am in a position of authority or movement or responsibility within an an organization. So just a step slightly to the right of that you and I are both business owners. Well Nor mattel a business owner. I work for a business.
You know, It's my job to generate income and service clients for a company and that's what I've been doing for many years. You're on your own mh. Business person. You've got your business your courses. You tell me As a business owner, really, what is the ultimate goal of your business? Wow, mine is kinda different because I have weird issues with money, but you've still would to survive right. Yeah. Like the business has to be profitable. Right. So ultimately, and I'm
not trying to trap you into. Ring with me. It's common. Mh. When I think about Nor company, She's doing everything that I know of as ethical as she possibly can be. She's being as transparent as she possibly can be with everybody. Apart from telling everybody exactly what her ratios are, because that's that's proprietary. That's proprietary. Right? That's not that she doesn't want people not. She's telling people exactly what's in it. Just not how to blend it and and
do it. What she's doing is basically saying, hey, Here's everything that's in in the product. Here's white papers of science that support what I'm saying to you. I mentioned that when we were in the interview with Bill as well. Like, it's not me once again just trying to do a marketing thing from Nor morale because I'm looking at it from an ethical standpoint and what she's trying to do. The only people that she really has to suffice in this is mainly herself and me.
So we need to look at it from a point as well. There's no point in doing this, a if the product shit and you're hurting animals or hurting whoever you're trying to look after or be if you're losing money. So if you're looking at designing a company, And the reason why most companies go out of business within the first 5 years is because people aren't thoughtful enough about it. They just think I just wanna start a business. I'm gonna get out there and I'm gonna
get a website. And I'm gonna do all these fancy things, and then they throw a whole bunch of cash behind it, and it might be an absolutely brilliant idea. It might not have been marketed well. Or it might be that they just can't raise the capital that they need in the time that they need it. So I've known people that they were literally going to be the next great thing in whatever industry they were gonna be in. But they just couldn't raise the capital
in time. They literally ran themselves out of money and that's why it fell apart. It wasn't that that the product was no good. It was just that the timing was... Yeah. Usually fell apart a cash flow problem. It's a cash flow problem. That's exactly right. Let's look at this from a broad scale where we're not talking thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars or even low millions of dollar. But we're talking about multiples of billions, even trillions of dollars.
The idea is still exactly the same. Except on a mask where you've got a appeal to private equity who are funding you or you've got appeal to shareholders, or God forbid who knows who? Mh. But those people are still driving you and saying, this year, and next year are pretty much parallel on a financial scale. What are you gonna do to drive up profits? Like, how are you going to make sure that the next financial year is showing between a 5 and a 12 percent gain
in profit. Yeah. How are you gonna do that for me? Before you carry on, it's something that we have talked about on the show, but it's something I didn't really understand until relatively recently, and it's worth explaining is that once a company is public, like, you can buy shares in it. Yep. It has to keep creating a profit. And not just a profit, more profit every quarter than a 1 before. Otherwise, why would you buy shares in that company? Like, why would you put money into
it? And then if they don't turn a profit and they do that, say multiple, quarters in a row. 2 quarter in a row. It's only 2 quarters. Yeah. Then what's gonna happen is people who hold those shares are gonna sell those shares and have fucking enormous company can fall apart in seconds. Mh. If that happens. And we spoke about this briefly on the show in the past that's why we sort of scramble to get a mailing list going because Facebook
didn't turn a profit for a quarter. Mh. And not too many people were understood what a huge deal that was. Now it was because they over invested in the Ocular system like there was a reason and they justified it. But it's a big deal. Netflix, for example didn't turn a profit, and they said that maybe everybody who's ever gonna get Netflix has gotten Netflix. And that nearly collapsed Netflix. Because then all the investors are like, well, why
would I keep my money here? I'm gonna pull my money out as quickly as possible, and then all the shares suddenly worth nothing because everybody's selling them and the company can collapse. So like, that really can happen. It it took me a long time to understand that. It's only in the last 5 years that I've actually understood that a multi billion dollar company can fall apart in a day. If there's
a run on selling the shares. And if everybody decides to getting out on the same day, it's far, The stock can tank and therefore the company can collapse very very quickly. If you ever wanna see how markets can be easily manipulated. There's 2 good movies that I recommend you have a look at One's called the big short. Mh. And the other 1, the recent 1 it was on Netflix. I can't remember the name, but it's about the company games in the United States
fascinating. Yeah. And absolutely discuss sting, the people behind the scenes who are literally trying to fuck everybody over, how they were trying to turn off the system, so they wouldn't go broke them cells because they were basically playing everybody. Yeah. They got caught and then a bunch of nerds managed to rally enough people together to turn the table. Isn't remarkable. Yeah.
But that's the thing is I'm not talking about this in the fact that there's no hope and you can't do anything about it because you look at people like, gandhi and other people around the world who have rallied enough people power, and they've changed history. Like, they've forcibly stopped people from being able to lead these industrial campaigns to fuck people over, that's primarily what I'm trying to say. To get back in the story, it got me thinking, they've gotta come up with
regeneration all the time. They've gotta think of new leads, new ways to market. An important point as a caveat on this, once again, as I mentioned before, and this is the circle back to the whole point about my vaccination story. I'm not anti vaccination, and I'm not anti medication, and I'm not anti pharmaceuticals. Some of the comments that people have to know both about Nor. And I. Even though the Na is highly involved in natural medicine, and it's a very vegan and dear part
of her life. Neither 1 of us, if we need antibiotic like if we know that that's gonna be something that we have to do. We'll take antibiotics. Yeah. If I know that I need a certain type of medication and need to be on, I'll take the medication. Laurel will look at everything about it.
Even when she's prescribing a remedy for a client, a dog or a person, she'll look into it to make sure it's not gonna be a contra based on the medication that they've got, and what she wants to make sure is what she's doing is complementary to what they're doing. And she never advises people get off this or just do this. She says, talk to
your doctor. Mh. Make sure you're working with your medical professional, make sure that you're following their advice make sure that you're not gonna hurt yourself, make sure that if you wanna come off something that it's done with the guidance of the person who puts you on it in the first place.
In saying that, I need people to understand this is that I'm like you when you told your a first story about that kelp that you went around and saw and understood It was a mess, and there was little that you could actually do with it, and you recommended this is possibly a time that this dog needs to be on some form of medication. I heard doctor Michelle Ras talking about it a while ago... I've known Michelle prior to her being of. She was introduced to me through Brent Dry
Cat. I think this was back in the days where I first met Rihanna. Right. When we were raising money to get a dog for Rihanna Son. Mh. That's how First met ray. We were doing this sort of like, this collaboration that Brent and Cat put together. And it was beautiful. Was a there's a lovely gathering of dog trainers, and it was a seminar. Group speakers. I think me, boyd, there was lots of people there. Yeah. I met Michelle back then. She was learning how to be a vet. I think she'd done
Nd etf. If memory serves. And more recently, I've been listening to her talking on a couple of interviews that she did where she talks about medications Ss rise as medicine. You know, it's medicine that some dogs need. Like most responsible people, she's not into the mindset that you need to over prescribe. Mh. But if it's needed. It's needed. Mh. And mate... I can tell you there's certainly dogs that I've seen where Looked at them and I thought, there's little
that I can actually do here. Yeah. I think what we need to do is explore medication. I think we need to look at putting a dog on something with a behavioral vet. And I've recommended good and thorough behavioral vets that I know have ethics. They're not just a sort of person who gets the dog in the room and basically just writing a prescription. They are taking blood tests. They're looking at the dog. They're consulting the clients. They're even asking me and other dog trainers
around Australia, like, what did you say? Why did you recommend the dog come here? What's happened. They spend time going in... With the client? Mh. I can even say this of my own personal doctor the same 1 who was trying to force me to get vaccinated, he is not fast to push me onto antibiotics, which is quite ironic that he was
with 1 and not with the other. Mh. But even with antibiotics, like he he'll say, let's try it without antibiotics so we don't create antibiotic issue, which I appreciate in him as well. Mh. And I like that about when I'm working with vets as well that they're not over prescribing medication. Our own vet does that with lady bag because she gets a shit ton of Uti. She is reluctant to just put her on medication unless she needs it unless there's nothing that she can do
to help her fight off the infection. She needs to be on antibiotics. That's the way things are. Getting back to this original point that's been frustrating me so much. I kinda looked at it from the 50004 point of view to think to myself, Am I being ridiculous about this? Am I just developing a bias because I'm angry and the tools are being taken away? And is that really the driving force behind this? Or is there something really in this? So I went into Chat gp.
And I understand that Chat Gp has some biases as well and the information which people can say and we'll probably be thinking to themselves they're listening back to this. Chat Isn't perfect, and it can give you some false narrative sometimes. And I've even subscribed to that. But as a business model with a lot of things that I've put in there with Chat out on business models, The information I've got back is remarkable. And in fact,
it saved me hundreds of hours sometimes. So I would say over the time that I've been using it, Of just being able to generate some really articulate work. I asked at this question, I've literally spent probably an hour putting all the parameters into it. Of just building it line by line they're like saying, I need you to pretend that you're the Ceo of a pharmaceutical company that you've got shareholders you've got investors in the organization, you
need to turn a profit every quarter. You've literally saturated the market, and it was more for behavioral side medication. So I built the parameters, out in it? I spent a long time doing it. Not surprisingly at the end where it suggested, what was the question that you put to it? What specifically did what was the problem it had to solve? The problem it had to solve was what do you need to do to ensure sur? And a turn in profit every quarter in regards to selling your behavioral
modification medicines. Okay. Primarily at the end, it started saying that it would ensure that it worked with the collaboration of it. Professional trainers and influencers to canvas the market. Fundamentally, it was building out that it would do whatever it needed to do. To remain profitable by influencing and collaborating and supporting and funding a large market of primarily anybody it could to saturate the market with
it product. Mh. I thought to myself, these people, Do they understand the third parties that are involved in this? Do they understand that perhaps they're are born in a financial game here? Where they're literally being controlled and manipulated and modified based on a model that's been set in place to create and generate profit. No. They're done at all. See, that's the point that I'm thought.
That's the point that I'm dying inside on, and that's the point where I keep sticking on, and it's the point that I keep becoming very sad and frustrated on because I keep thinking why are we losing ground when I believe that the logical and plausible argument that we keep putting out here and we keep banging our heads on the table about every single time. But I just don't think
we can fight the money. Okay. You're still being a little bit cryptic, mh lay it out for us what you think is happening. Let me steal man your and say if I understand Yeah totally what you're right. You think that balanced training, effective training, training that will limit problems in the average pet dog, anxiety issues, let's say, damaging the house while people are gone, let's say, dog aggression, peculiar behaviors, all that
sort of stuff. You think that there is a push, from the pharmaceutical companies that create the meds for the dogs that they are influencing or funding or driving the idea that balance training shouldn't be allowed, and they are in part behind the banning of tools and so forth, so that training is less effective and therefore, more meds are needed. Well, let me ask you this counter question. If you're invested in selling medication as a third party operative,
who's the enemy to your market? Yeah. People who make it unnecessary for dogs to have. There you go. Yeah. And that's where I kept coming back to all the time. So when I kept looking at it objectively because I kept having patched to it on my shoulder while I was doing this because I kept thinking When I put this to Pat gonna fight me on this, naturally, not in a... Yeah. But I wanna I wanna answer questions I wanna plug all the gas. Good.
And so you should. I think the more that I've matured in this over time, I've learned to construct a better argument with it and try and remove my bias from it because I kept coming into this thinking. Okay. I'm biased. That's why I'm angry about this. And this is why I'm feeling frustrated about this. I don't believe it's a part of bias anymore. I just can't under... Stand why I keep losing to this. Then people who are listening once again, because again, please believe me. I
understand how this sounds. People are going, boy, you don't like losing. That's your problem. Mh. It's not a matter of me losing. I don't think I'm losing because I will still have a job. I mean, I didn't have to train another dog for the rest of my life, and I can still be involved in pick care market and still have a job. Mh. So I'm not losing. Yeah. Yeah. So like, to be clear on that, your actual job here, those kennel where
the balance training exists or not. They'll still be filled with people are still going on the holidays. Yeah. People are still putting their dogs. That's right. Your sur, your profit margins within as a company doesn't rely on training. Training is very much This business, training is very much. Training of Bolt. Yeah. Training is a sideline interest that the company likes to have. It's basically the fries
to the order. Mh. I'm not saying that in a dismissive way because we're a company that believes in training. Yeah. From myself right up to their head. They see the need for it, they agree with it. They like the vision of training. They always wanted to have a on board with the company. That was never an issue. For Let me get back to the side of this conversation where I keep thinking about people thinking that I'm complaining that I'm gonna lose something. I'm worried about.
Talks in general. I'm worried about society because I can see over that framework when you're looking at it through the window, you can see that the time of how many dogs now are on medications or medicines or pharmaceuticals or whatever you wanna call them. There's an abundance of dogs that come in here that are on medication. If I
rewind the clock and go back. Let me go back 2 decades, you would not have seen 1 tenth of those dogs would have been on medications, and they would have been on medications for maybe a virus or Mh. Something like that with... It's fighting an infection. It wouldn't be on behavioral modification medicines. Yeah the man of children that I'm seeing on behavioral modification medicines has escalated in my timeframe frame. That's a much bigger thing in my life timescale scale compared to
what it was. But because I'm not really invested in the education of children or the training of children or knowing much about the scale of children. I don't really have much of a window
into that, but with dogs I do. What's alarming me if I'm making this clear, and I feel like I'm ba a bit here now, But what's alarming me is I feel like we're getting things taken away from us because we've got a controlling over overarching monopoly who's basically directing and has a shadow interest in stopping things that interfere with its agenda to make profits. As Nor has said to me in the past, just follow the logical course of the science behind it or look at the logical
course. And if you do look at the logical course, I don't really feel that you can't understand or can't grasp, but this is actually what's happening to us. We're being trained in very much the same way with the same technologies that we're training dogs. And again, that's getting back into my original Covid. Story because I felt like that was a massive control and training model that was unleashed onto the world. It's not that I don't believe in
Covid. I just can't understand how that fucking thing happened, and then Covid just vanish from our life and nobody cares about it anymore. Yeah. It's like, even if you come to work with Covid, it's like, oh, well, you just got Covid who cares. Even the vaccinated people who were all told, you won't get Covid if you get the vaccinated all got Covid. Multiple times and they're still getting Covid. Mh, That must be frustrating to a lot of people. They must look at that and go,
well, why does that happen? It's also the blind defense that comes with it and goes here, but I'm not getting it as severe as what I would have got it on the other hand. I got Covid. It was unpleasant. Didn't tickle. It hurt. But I know people who got much sicker than I did with Covid, much sicker. They got vaccinated 3, 4 times. Mh definitely affected individuals differently. Sure. It did. And all diseases do I understand that. And But I don't
understand what's happening to us. Okay. And understand this grand change that seems to have happened unless it's always been that way, and I've only just become... Awaken to it. So was I right in your opinion, what I said of what you think? Yes. You're were. Okay. 1 thing that we've talked about We have to confront that I'm on board... Well, let me take a 7. But I think that when I look at my Facebook, when I look at the people who are the most hardcore
conspiracy theorists. In my people that I get to see talk about what they're into. A lot of dog trainers are conspiracy theorists. And I've had this conversation with Jane, my wife a few times about, like, I think it's because we see behavioral patterns, like we're fairly well trained in how to manipulate behavior, and we see the manipulation of behavior. And then when you're like, hey on, if you have to manipulate me to fill in a particular way, like, maybe you're trying to make
something happen. Yep. Rather than letting something play out. And something that I'm boarding on, and we've talked about in the past is that we believe that Peter, you don't need to believe this is written on their website. They don't want people to own pets. Angry ingrid New cook designed her organization or a company or whatever you wanna call that under that mandate. Yeah. She made it abundantly... Now they try and fluff that over, and they try and pull the curtains
around that. Yeah. But behind those curtains, the pillar etched into the pillar the. But so then we say that the overarching villain in our story here is the pharmaceutical companies that are trying to make a profit. Mh. That's your position. And then they are influencing the groups that they can. But they didn't see themselves as being a villain there. No. Of course. Not. But... Like, the villain in this story. Yeah. All they are to themselves is we've proper
machine. We just gotta keep making. We gotta keep making... So in their attempt to continue to make a profit. Yep. They are then facilitating the people who would ban the training that would make their product less desirable, less usable, less necessary. Surely then they're at odds what do you have to say about that? Do you think that's a battle that's they're
just gonna cross that bridge later on? Or is it inc that the pharmaceutical companies want everybody to have pets, and they want all those pets on Ss i's. But their ally in the getting everybody on Ss. Doesn't want anybody to have pets. And they want to reduce ownership of dogs. Where's the there? Did see that as a potential flaw in the way that we're perceiving things? That's an interesting concept. I don't know if I agree that they're
aligned together. Okay. Because I feel that most likely, Peter would be a standalone organization that believes that they're on their own island, conducting their own Okay. So then who maybe do you think is the next step. Like, when the pharmaceutical company sit around when when the evil villain sits around the board table, and they go, we have to come up with a plan of this. Like, you gave chat Gp the same set of parameters as
they potentially face. Yep. And it said, well we need to influence people to not train a particular way where they buy they need our product. Who do you think that pharmaceutical company specifically are talking to what step 1? Government and bits. Okay. So you think that they're... It's direct to government. That's of. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Hundred percent. The jaw dropper for me, not that I didn't understand it was gonna happen.
The jaw dropper for me was when the Pal shaped government made it a particular mandate on her agenda to remove phone callers. Yeah. Rather than a back venture in 1 of her groups bringing because they're an animal advocate and they're involved in some way in animal advocacy. Why did she bring it up? That is a especially good point in that that ban in Queensland came from nowhere and based
on no evidence. Yeah. It just popped up 1 day, and it was a Saturday morning that it got announced via Instagram or, like, via social media. I know there's been a very squeaky wheel in Queensland. There was a lady up there who was Andy remote and Anti prong colors for a very long time, but it just struck me, like, why does this particularly take interest? The premier of Queensland? Why did it become her personal gender like
I've never been. So for our American listeners, the premier of a state in Australia is the equivalent of a governor in your senator or I think is that governor for. Government. Okay. Yep. Yep. So the leader of the state within the state government, the elected official just suddenly decided 1. Saturday morning. Yep. That prong colors are getting banned. So it really made me think, are we that much of a t commodity where things can just be taken from us that quickly?
And it didn't seem to matter what the contrary was. It didn't seem to matter how many clients came forward and said, hey, This is fucking life changing for my dog. Don't you understand?
The 1 point that I can never shrug or get it out of my head when I'm thinking about this when I'm in a clear state of mind mine and I'm even meditating on this is I've never met 1 person in my 30 plus years of training dogs, that I've recommended a prong call 2 that's ever come back to me and said, you you've given me something that's hurt my dog, ruined my dog put my training backwards. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing mate. That's the absolute issue that every time I close my eyes when
this is in my mind. I can't stop thinking about that. And this is what generated this whole big poly waffle of a discussion that we're having now, because I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah. I can't stop thinking about how did this happen? How did we get here and why are we letting this happen? Mh. When you look deeply into other things? I'll give you an example. I've been watching Clark farm, which I think is fucking brilliant.
Jeremy Clark who was on top gear. He's got show on Amazon where he's bought a farm over in the Ko or something like that over in England. I understand that Jeremy Clark not certain people's cup of tea. They find him a bit arrogant or a bit of a douche bag and you 1 of those people. Yeah I understanding him. I know. We've had this discussion.
He's a celebrity and he's probably a bit of a win bag in a certain amount of things, and he's probably 1 of these people who has always got an idea and agenda and he could be a pain in the ass neighbor to leave next to. I get that and looking at it from the 50000 foot point of view, when you think about it regardless of how funny he can be on show it. You kind of look at it... Well, what have I live next door to this claim? Like, what if that happened? But what if it was my company
that what was tanking with his lies. Right. Carry on. So the point is what he has done in that show is he's really brought to light, how screwed over farmers are being across the world. Yeah. He really has suddenly s a light on how governments around the world really aren't looking after the people who look after our food football. Yeah. And why is that? Why did things become so incredibly expensive?
Governments aren't to blame for all the weather conditions or the reason that certain things happen. That's outside their control. But there are a lot of things within their control. That seem to really inhibit farmers around the world from being able to farm properties or Yeah. Be involved in their property 1 thing that was really interesting on that show was the level of malevolent that the local council showed towards him, and you could tell that they were using their influence and their
power to certainly pick him out. And it's because they didn't like who he was, and they didn't like the fact that he was on the show and he did call some of them a bunch of idiots and so forth, but they were taking it out of him. So that's a complete corruption of their capability. Now, again, I'm not in the room. I don't know everything that he's done. I don't know all of those specific talking points or topics that came up.
Inside a council. But I do know when I have been involved in groups before, how they like to manage people. And how they look at people as we will just tell them what and how it is. Mh. Even when you're elected by your own group of people, something changes within you where you think, well I'm gonna do the best by you to tell you what to do without your consult. And even if you're gru about it, I'm gonna see you as being a problem, not as being a c or or anything like
that. They kind of look at you like now you're being a problem because you're not agreeing with me when I'm trying to do the right thing by you. But in this case, you know, like, he wanted to build a farm shop and he wanted to build the his car park. And there are other farms in the area who are all had to do this. Then he wanted to put a farm track in there. He's got an adviser in and who said, yep, this is all in the law
providing you do it this way. This is the work that you're doing every fucking hook can turn in the show. They were throwing up stop gaps doing. And I kind of just thought to myself Have a look, what a small local government can do to a powerful celebrity and the influence that they have over at, Isn't it just remarkable? Yeah. That can happen. Like, I'm with you in sentiment, but Yeah. I just think that he's a lying piece of shit. And so that probably
never happened. He he probably created all of that. Like, if theft cra drama in a Tv show. I wouldn't put any credence into anything Jeremy Clark has to say on a tv. You what's the show? No. Never. Watch it. But I saw... Did you know what they did with Top with the Tesla. You know, if you heard about that? Yes. They they scripted that it breaks down. And they did that when Tesla was a starting company. Now, I'm not like defending Daddy Elon and making sure
that his company goes are right. But Jeremy Class is a known fucking liar, and creates drama on Tv in order to make people watch Tv. Yep. Not present the truth. The truth and his Tv show sell them line. Well, that was the case top. Like, I've never watched this other show. But, like, I get the sentiment. I agree with you in sentiment, but I just wouldn't put too much wait into anything that he has to say.
Certainly, the time that I've been involved in anything to do with media or anything to do with influencing is that can put out a positive piece of news, and you'll get, like, 4 likes in it. But if you put out something there of drama or conspiracy or something that delegates danger or anything like that. It attracts so much right. There's gotta be a reason to to pay attention. Looking how many people are already pushing you to do the positive punishment course.
Yeah Which I'm doing. Yeah. So I wanna come back to the original point sure because I think I agree with you to an extent. I think I do. I think that that is absolutely not outside of the realm of possibility. I think that that's highly likely. But I think 1 of the things that I find myself referring to this lesson and less is that I think I believe in Ark razor as much as possible. Yeah. The, like, the most obvious and simple solution often is
the case. Right. But 1 thing that I learned pretty early on in my, like, Army Career. I held a top secret clearance. I worked in a special forces unit. I worked with the niche capabilities of that special forces unit. I've worked with government agencies of all the 3 letters from various parts of the world. There was a time where I was an action guy involved in that space. And what I always knew then, but I believe less or less each day now is that you shouldn't attribute to conspiracy
what can be attributed to incompetent. Mh. Because the governments across the world are full of incompetent people. Oh, no doubt. I had a boss at 1 time explained, like, we have tolerance of 10 percent morons in this unit. Like 10 percent of these S f highly trained, like, these are the most elite soldiers and this is true of every elite unit around the world. 10 percent of them shouldn't be there. 10 percent of them are fucking idiots that somehow managed to get in. And
that's with a very stringent selection criteria. Right? You can extrapolate that to be even higher in various government departments. And there are people for sure who have a malicious intent in their actions. But there are other people who are just dummies and don't think through their actions or are very done in krueger and, like, a very sure that what they have said is true and within the very narrow scope of knowledge they have. It's very true. They will pass
a lot detector. They're correct. But their dummies, and they don't know what else is going on. So, like, I think while I in part agree with you, I think that that's highly likely that there's an influence down the chain that says, hey, we need training to be less effective because we want the meds which is the answer to the less effective training or or the absence of effective training to fill that space.
And the more dogs we yet onto this staff to hire the profit margins like, I'm with you Like, I can totally draw that bow. I definitely can. Mh I think as well there's a lot of other influence. While you're saying that and it just comes to mind I don't think this is an act of being malicious. I just think it's we're right way. Yeah. Just in the way yeah. Yeah. And the idea of when something's in the way of profit in the company. What you do is look at removing it at
all costs. Yeah. And you need to. You kind of think how do I reduce the impact that's happening while I can increase profits and decrease risks. Well, the malicious is then certainly, I agree with you. I think that pharmaceutical companies want more people taking pharmaceutical drugs, like, for sure. That's the model you've got malicious side is is that we've
been painted to be the enemy. Yeah. But that's been done, I think from multiple Fronts in that, I think that as we sort of just tease the apart then that if there's a a push to get more dogs onto Ss i's, that's not in line with Peter's less dogs. Right? Like, we don't want people owning dogs. And and what we see in government as well is it's becoming more and more difficult to owned us. As we talked about, like, what's happened in South Australia, is that they haven't actually banned anything.
What they've done is tighten the conditions around it. And now I can't remember these exact numbers. But if you're registered dangerous dog bite on in the street, you're up for, over a thousand all fine. Mh. And so what they're doing is making it to people like, oh, let's not get a dog. When Johnny, the 10 year old says to mom and dad, let's get a dog and they do a little bit of research. Okay, like, what's involved in this? What risks are we taking on? They're like, oh, fuck, I'm not taking...
I'm not accepting this level of risk if we get a dog. So there's certainly multiple things that are affecting our ability to do what we do to train the way that we train to be effective with dogs. And they're not all congruent with each other. 1 is owning of less dogs and there's certainly a push for that and another is more dogs, but less training and more Ss. I think as well, when we look at wider so many dogs need this, there has to be more dog
trainers now. There has to be people like who wear that hat and say I'm a dog trainer of any kind than ever before. Right? Like, because it's a really... It's a growing profession I'd say that in the last 20, 30 years, it's become a totally recognized job. Like you speak about how your grandmother when you became a dog trainer And were, like, this is what I was do was like, no. That's not a real job. Oh, she was horrified. But now That's a really clearly recognizable
a profession. Yeah. You can be a highly professional person. You can make a lot of money. There's multimillion millionaire dog trainers. There's ads that keep coming up in feed to become a 7 figure dog trainer. So like, it can happen. It's a job that you can make a lot of money from. There's lots of people do it. I've spoken about in the past. I think that we all owe Sees Milan debt of gratitude
for that. I think that that show put into the psyche of the average person that you should get a person to your home to assist you with your dog or So like, there's a lot to that. There's a lot of things going on in this space where I believe that there's more trainers now than ever. Pet ownership is probably at its highest, as well as the number of reactive and problem dogs that we're seeing is higher, and that's gotta be multifaceted. They can't be a
single answer to that. Right? And I think that way that people treat their dogs, the way that dogs are being bread, the way that we're living with dogs, like in urban areas and that's sort of stuff. Like, over the last 30 years, urbanization has changed significantly. Mh Although I'll admit, like, say sydney, the city, I grew up only a few kilometers from where I live now. I was gone for a period while was in the miami army, but I've lived there, you know, mostly my whole life.
In the area in which I leave, nothing's has really changed dramatically is there's a few new freeway, few new buildings, but it's mostly the same, but the number of dog ownership has definitely increased in that space. So now there's like a pie population of people using the same small spaces for their dogs, we're encountering each other more than we probably have in the past with dogs because limited spaces to go. So I think it's a very much a multi facet problems that we face.
But I think to your point, correct me if I understanding correctly is that your concern is, like, yes. This is probably happening from pharmaceutical companies that are tried to maximize profits by getting as many dogs onto the things as possible. A way to do that is to reduce the instance of balance training, which is probably gonna be more effective at treating these sorts of things. Mh. The... Of that is being done by people who don't... This is your concern. Yes. It's a
concern. The of us as balance trainers is being done by people who are bought into the idea like they believe, and they don't realize... Yeah. They don't understand. They don't understand that they've been porn Yeah the they are and pop. They are the puppet of somebody else. Right. And it doesn't really matter which 1 of those profits is controlling the strings. All of them have a bad outcome for
them. So if it's a pharmaceutical companies just want more dogs on, that's not good for dogs, that's not good for training in general. And if it's Peter that just want less pet ownership, that's not good for them either. So they're potentially being led down the garden path by people who don't actually align their interest don't align. But in this moment, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, But then when that is taken out, then what happens?
I promise this wasn't gonna be a Covid Joe, and it's not really about Covid, It's just about altering behavior. Reason I bring this up is because it upsets me to quite a degree. The manipulation that went on board with this. And I look at some dear friends around the world that when I spoke to about this. I had to be really careful about not disclosing that I wasn't vaccinated because of how ferocious they were,
about holding the line on vaccination. I thought to myself, it's incredible of a person that I believe was so comprehensively open minded. That is now holding this hard line, and I could possibly end my friendship with this person over 1 reveal Of just saying I'm un. Mh. The sad thing about it, the horrifying thing about it is the amount of those people now who have come back to me in subsequent months after it finished and said to me, I wish I never got this
fucking thing in the first place. I wish I wish I didn't fall victim to the propaganda, and I wish if I had my time again, and I could go back in time, and I wish I held the line and and just didn't do it. And my question to them, know, because I've been spending time talking to people about this. And again, hadn't revealed my stance on it. I didn't wanna develop a bias. For all they knew I was vaccinated. I just said, well, why then? And they just said, I just felt there was no
alternative. I just felt everybody was pushing me in this direction. Like, I felt this urgency that I had to do this or else, I was gonna kill a grandparent, a child lose my job, and they just felt like they had to join the team. They had to be part of the book burning brigade. I'm sad for those people. I'm fucking horrified for those people because it it upsets me that that was allowed to happen and people felt like they were doing the right thing.
And that's what I feel about in the same scope with this topic that I'm talking about, how we're being turned on, how we're being villainous eyes has been the enemy in this conversation and realizing that people may be listening to this and saying, Glen, you're defending a position here. You're defending your right to be a balance trainer. It goddamn damn fucking right. I am. And I always have. I've held this
line. I remember distinctly A person in the industry many years ago said to me, you know you could be a much wealthier person in the dog training space if you only shut your fucking mouth. For many years that sat with me. And I just thought I don't like being controlled by people because I realized what control is and I talk about it freely and openly about the illusion of control. And I realize how people have
done. I've been controlled, and I've been manipulated I've being puppet here to do things for people. You know, like when I talked with you before, some of my karate instructors and so forth. When I've looked at those people when I basically given them the keys to operate me and saying, I will do your bidding. Fortunately, for me. I align myself with good people who said, that's not what this is about. And you're listening to the wrong part of the story. You're taking in what you think needs to
be done. It often reminds me about how people want the truth from you until you give them the truth. Mh. Classic example of that, I know it's a movie. Do you remember the movie getting to the greek with Russell Brand and Hill. Yeah. When they're in the car together, Russell Brand says to Joan Hill what do you think of the Album African child? Be honest with me? And he goes, oh, man. That album was of absolute piece of shit? Because he thinks know, like
You thinks we're friends. You know, like you thinks we're friends, this is vulnerable moment. I can tell you because you really wanna know. I'm your friend. I can tell you. And he goes, don't you talk to me like that? You little And he just really tears strips out of him, and you can see the deep level of hurt because that was his art. He said he wanted of the truth, but he didn't really want the truth. He wanted a version of the truth. He want... He wanted his truth.
That's what frighten me about knowing how to manipulate and control behavior is how we've been manipulated and controlled. I guess that's the rub of the conversation in getting to this very long and convoluted story that I felt like I needed to tell. Because it's been sitting with me for so long, and I've been holding back on this because I've been afraid to talk about it. Mh. But I think some bravery needs to be shown by people.
And I could be wrong with this, and I generally people are listening to this, and I haven't lost you by now. I want you to tell me if I'm wrong. I want you to listen to this and tell me, put together a, like, a good sound argument and say, no. You're off the rails you're wrong. He's real evidence to support it. Not something that I've just cons conflicted because I've bought into the call aid, but here is the evidence behind it. You're not on track with what you're thinking here. Yeah.
Right now, I think I'm onto something. I'm not the only person. I've had conversations with people locally and internationally about this very much thing, But... Then I think to myself Am I just listening to the same tribe of people, Have I just been echo chamber?
Have I created a echo chamber? It's been alluded to many times Robert Top upholstery talks about it in his books and when he's been talking online that you only need a small amount of convincing for you to believe that you're on the right track sometimes. All you need is just 1 friendly person to say, no I'm buying into a glen you're right, You're the messiah. You've been right
all along. I don't wanna be that person in I don't wanna be easily led on that and just cons script a story in my head and also influence other people to think like that if I map absolutely wrong on this. If I've derailed myself and I'm off tangent. But I just cannot explain some of these things, it doesn't make sense to me, I feel like I'm in the matrix, sometimes, when I look around the world that's become
from the world On I knew. I just feel like I'm out of touch with it and something happened stick, and I just can't find the logical explanation to know how and why is this happening? And how is it allowed to be happening? Well, it's an interesting topic. Hopefully. Well, yeah, It's worth pondering. And if you're willing to take feedback on that. I think that we should open it up to the people who have made it through the show and got to this point.
We've got the Facebook discussion group, that's a place where people can discuss this seventeenth fifteenth. If they think that you're totally off base, if there's a wait of evidence to go somewhere. I don't need to be rude about it either. Like let me make. I get a real conversation. This is not to offend you or anybody else. I'm not throwing anybody into the barbecue over this. What I am saying is, this is where I've got to
right now, change my mind. Okay. What's the name of the guy who was famous for that? Stephen Cra, Stephen Cra. Yeah. Change my mind. I'm willing to have my mind change. I'm accepting of that. If a group of people or somebody who's not cons inspiring with the enemy, he's willing to put up a good argument and saying, here's another 50000 foot view of this point. Mh. Let's have a look and analyze it from these specifications, then I'm I'm willing to sit down
and be your student. Then we get somebody who has a articulate argument and you know how to talk, you could come on the show and and Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Be. If it's interesting enough for people, but... Yeah. I just feel that things have changed in a weird direction. It's alien territory to me right now. Alright. That's it for another episode of conspiracy theorist cop podcast. A different 1. Hopefully, it won't turn into true crime and someone will come around and kill me.
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