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of others, and follow local laws. If you're not comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink dominance or emotional power this probably isn't the show for you but if you're ready to step into your masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle that demands mastery welcome to the brotherhood welcome to the bull brotherhood podcast where we talk power pleasure and the art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy this is not your average lifestyle podcast this is for men who lead men who master,
and men who leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open -minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. When we deal with these couples, especially the newer couple, we're bringing in an energy that is completely foreign to them. Especially cats like B Morgan. Cats like Mr. Mocha, a .k .a. Super Dick. You know what I'm saying? There's a certain kind of energy. Don't give me that
title. Hell no. I don't want that one. Listen, the shirt is already on the way, brother. The shirt is already on the way. The shirt is already on the way. But no, I'm saying, like, and so, but at the same time, knowing you brothers the way that I do, I know that you're cognizant of that. You know what I'm saying? You're cognizant of the fact that, you know, as our brother who's not here, Pagan, is fond of saying, what do you call it, that, was it black sex magic? You know,
like, we got that shit with us, bruh. And you know you got that shit with you. You can be as humble as the fuck you want to be, but you know you got that shit with you. You know what I'm saying? Like, B, know he got that shit with him. Socrates is learning that he got that shit with him. I know I got that shit with me. Dimitri know he got that shit with him. Pagan know he got that shit. That's why we brothers. You know what I'm saying? So you know when you hitting
somebody with something. And it ain't just the dick. I mean, we laugh and joke and say it's super dick, whatever. But the super dick is all -encompassing. It, you know, it's Mr. Mocha's. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to tell you what I feel because I'm confident in what I'm saying. You might not like what I'm saying to you, but you know I'm spitting truth. And if the truth hurts, so be it. It's that confidence he has in what he says. I mean, it's B. Morgan's combination
of masculinity and sensitivity. You know what I'm saying? The way he throw that baby girl around. I mean, he know what the fuck he's doing when he throw that baby girl around. He know the effect that that's having. Baby girl, right? You know what I'm saying? He know what he's doing. Like, ain't none of us new to this. So that's when I talk about the ethical part is we know what we're capable of. We know that bartender is serving
you straight, honey -proof liquor. I know there's a possibility that you're going to get drunk. So as the bartender, it's up to me to be like, you know what? Why don't you take this cup of water right now? You didn't have too much. I'm going to cut you off. Because if I leave it up to you, you're going to keep buying shots. But I don't want to get sued when you wreck your car after leaving here. So I'm going to give you water for this next hour. That's what I mean
when I talk about the ethical part. We know what we're working with. We're not oblivious to it. We see it. We see ourselves in the mirror every day. That's one of the things I've learned about. I still have to push back from the... I think there's a such thing as being confident, but I also... And maybe it's what I personally, just
my personal values. I don't believe that I have the ability to take... I don't think that I have the ability to come between two people who are in love with each other and who have their shit together. You know, that same woman who might decide to leave her husband for her bull is the same woman, you know, the same type of woman that would, you know, leave her husband for the guy at the office. There's a lot of those people out there in the lifestyle and outside of lifestyle.
And then there's going to be the women who I don't give a fuck. How much swag or how young or how good looking or how much money you have. You can't take her from her man. So I think that. Yeah, I can. I can break a board. That's cut a quarter of the way through. So she's already has cracks and fractures. Yes, and I can break her. People being new to the lifestyle. Being new to this type of life does not mean that they
have cracks and fractures. In fact, if they came into the lifestyle the way they're supposed to. They just don't know. They just don't know. But no matter what I don't know, no matter what my wife don't know, you're not going to convince us to do some shit that's outside of our current programming. Like me and the Sigma male spoke about earlier. If she's on my program. And we're on the same page and somebody else comes in and she allows them to interrupt my programming.
Me and her got smoked, not me and him. And I personally don't believe that super dick or anything can can interrupt the thing that's not broken. Now, if it's broken, then it's susceptible to to me. Or to the lame -ass dude who we'd be like, how the fuck did you let that guy get you? That's not super dick. Because she was already susceptible. You know what I mean? So I can't give it to, hey, I appreciate the compliment. Maybe somebody will listen to this and be like, I want to suck
his dick. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like, well, ma 'am, here it is. But I don't believe that I'm not willing to take away. Her her freedom of choice and her ability to make decisions, because now I feel like I'm weakening her. If anybody told my wife that there is a dick somewhere so good that you'll get stupefied, I'd say go fucking kill yourself because you're insulting her emotional intelligence as well as her own intelligence and her ability to make an educated
or uneducated decision. No, fuck that. You do some outsiders programming. You did it because you wanted to. Not because some dick was so good. You done sucked a thousand dicks in your life and all of a sudden you found the golden penis? Get the fuck out of here. I don't believe that. You know what I'm saying? And that's relative because if you're stepping into the lifestyle properly, usually you guys are strong enough and you're exciting. And yeah, you're going to
make some mistakes between the two of you. But mistakes like, oh, this guy's cock was so good I left my family for it? Nah, I don't believe that. But you've seen it before. With somebody who was fractured, when you have a woman or a couple who shit went together. There's a lot of fractured couples in this lifestyle. A lot. That's very true. There's a lot of fractured couples in this lifestyle. And all I'm saying is, as an experienced... I agree with that. I
do agree with that. And you would never know it. I'm able to recognize, like I know I can push a solid couple further than I can push a fractured couple. You know what I'm saying? I know that they can endure more and take more and explore more than a couple who might not be on solid footing. You know what I'm saying? Now, the way that I feel about myself personally is I can handle those type of couples because... not all the time, but oftentimes I can help them
get to that place. Sometimes I fail, but I'm not afraid to try. If that makes sense. I'm saying like, I don't, I don't run from that smoke. You know, I know I, but I get, I totally get the guys who are like, man, I don't feel like dealing with that. I didn't sign up for that. That kind of situation doesn't deter me because of the way my brain works. I'm saying, um, And you're also a real, you're a real bull and you accept
that challenge. I wouldn't say that a guy is not a real bull for not accepting that challenge. Some guys just don't want those complications. Some guys just like my life is complicated enough. I don't need to be introducing that type of energy into my day -to -day shit. Like I didn't get into this lifestyle to be a therapist. Like I would never fault anybody for that just because that happens to be my jam. I'm saying. You know, I just happen to have a thing for damaged people.
That's just my own character flaw. If you want to call it a flaw, you know what I'm saying? That's how I got to this point was by dealing with people that have problems. And then I figured out how to, you know, work through those problems and what, you know, what added to those problems and what caused those problems. And that's how I got a podcast because that kind of thing interests me. You know what I'm saying? But I would never knock anybody for not. wanting to do that kind
of heavy lifting. You know, this lifestyle is supposed to be fun. Like I'm not trying to deal with the real life implications behind this shit. I'm in this shit to have fun. My regular life is complicated enough as it is. So I would never knock anybody or say to somebody who's not a real bull for not wanting to play therapist also. That just happens to be something that, you know, that doesn't turn me away or doesn't turn me off. You know what I'm saying? Michael, can I
propose a question to you? Sure. My real -life situation. So this is what I'm really getting at. Like you said, you helped me go from lack of confidence and lack of ability. Mr. Mocha as well, Brian Morgan, Pagan, you guys all helped me. I'm getting to the point where, oh, okay, you know, like we talked about in Utopia, some of these skills are starting to pay off, right? So let's take my love. Yeah. No, they starting to, they, they paying off now. So let's say I'm,
but I'm still new. There's, there's things I haven't accomplished. Like I haven't owned a couple yet. All of y 'all have, right. I haven't gone to that stage yet. So I'm, I'm developing, I'm learning. So let's say me, I don't think I'm broken, but I'm new and I'm learning. And I get with a couple. I don't know they're broken yet because I'm still learning. Right. And me, I give it my all. I know some guys say, I can't give it all to you. I got to leave some leftover
for next time. Okay. That's cool. I don't think that way just yet. So I'm giving you, I'm giving you as much super dick as I got. And it ends up to where I'm in this situation that like Mr. Mocha said, well, she tripping, but I don't know that she tripping as much as I, as much as she should be considering what I gave her. And I'm in that situation, and it falls apart. And she ends up saying, I'm leaving my man. You did. And I want to be with you. And I'm like, number
one, I'm married. Number two, I ain't here for that. I've been here for a good time, not a long time. Whose fault is that then? Is that my fault because I didn't know what I was doing? Is it her fault because she shouldn't have been susceptible to that? Is that their fault because... I didn't make no vows. They made vows. Who's fault would that be? What I'm about to say is going to sound contradictory. I'm aware of that as I'm about
to say it. Hey, man. Hey, hey. Don't take shit away from me because you know I would have enjoyed telling you that. Don't put disclaimers on it to keep my mouth shut. It ain't going to work. Carry on. And I know we've all been in this position, especially the three of us, where it's like, especially when you're talking about a cuckold dynamic. When both parties are new, that's when I take out the popcorn. I'm like, shit's about to get really interesting when the bull is new
and the couple is new. You know, it's like, okay, this shit is about, the fireworks are about to start. What I would say about the contradictory part where I'm contradicting myself is, and I say this to you, Brother Socrates, with love. The one thing that Brian, myself, and Mr. Mocha have in common, and the brothers that ain't here, Dimitri and Peyton, we got trialed by fire, man. We took out bumps and bruises. We learned. You know what I'm saying? We went through it. We
made mistakes. We put our foot in our mouths. We put ourselves in fucked up situations and positions. And, you know, we love giving you that knowledge. We love giving you that information. But at the same time, there's no substitute for real world experiences. So I say that to say, bro, you got to just get out there and take your lumps, man. You got to take your fucking lumps. You got to get out there and try shit and be like, oh, that blew up in my face. I don't want
to try it like that again. We can give you as much education as we can, and you can take it all in as much as you can absorb, but there's no substitute for real -world experience. There's no substitute for being in a situation and then going home and thinking about that situation and saying to yourself. Okay, if I'm in that situation again, what would I do differently? Or, hey, this situation looks really familiar
to another situation I was in. I wonder if I can pull that lesson from that situation and apply it to this situation. Oh, shit, it worked. Or, oh, shit, it didn't work. Okay, let me scramble and come back and try it again. You know, you're talking to three guys that, B, how long have you been doing this shit? 32 years. Okay, Mr. Mocha, Methuselah, how long have you been doing
it? Probably 24. Yeah, and myself, 25 plus. So we've been, trust me, we did not all start as the refined product our listeners, our combined listeners are listening to now. You know what I'm saying? Hell to the no. Hell no. I applaud the hell out of you. Like, I wish I would have had Mr. Merkle or B. Morgan, you know, there to lay the groundwork for me. But at the same time, I know how valuable that real -world experience was to me. And I don't want you to be afraid
to make mistakes. And so I like to make mistakes, bruh. As long as you're not making the same mistakes over and over and over. No, brother, I think you misunderstand my question. And you know that's my gospel. I'll tell anybody. I don't care how many books I read, how many times I sit under these people's feet. Experience trumps that. I'm not saying that. What I'm asking you is, all things being equal, it sounds to me like you got the bull's fault. It's the bull's fault.
It's like you got all these skills. And I got all these skills. I don't know that these women are reading body language books or talking to a bunch of other people, experts in their field and therapists and all of these kind of things. I don't know that the couple's doing that. I just know what I'm doing. So I'm saying if I come in with my new, with all of these masters, I mean, like you said, I get to call all you brothers. And I will probably talk to one of
y 'all every day. If I ain't talking to Mr. Mocha, I'm talking to you. If I ain't talking to you or Mr. Mocha, I'm talking to... Brian Morgan. If I ain't talking to him, I'm trying to call Pagan and try to get him on the line. And if I can't pick him up, I'll get deep. So it's like, I don't know that they have that, but what I'm asking you is, if I go put my super dickness on them and it turns out that it blows up and she's ready to leave her husband, that's my fault?
I have the ethics. I might tell her, don't leave her. I'll tell her, don't do that. I'll tell her, I'm here for a good time, not a long time. I'll tell her all the things she needs to hear. Are you aware that you put, and again, when I say super dick, I'm not referring to just a dick. You know what I'm saying? I'm referring to the whole package. Communication, exploring, confidence, building them up. You know what I'm saying? Encouraging them like, like everything that comes with it.
But the thing is, whenever I do that, I know what I'm doing. Like I'm fully aware of what, like I'm not doing it by accident. You know what I'm saying? So knowing that I'm keeping my eyes open, like, okay, she's coming along. She's coming along. She's coming along. Oh shit. She's getting caught up. Now I got to put the brakes on because I, because that's the reaction that I don't want. I don't want her getting caught up. You know what I'm saying? I want her to be confident.
But they came with what, though, Mike? But they came with what, though, Mike? Your experience, right? You talked about on -the -job training. Yeah, experience and understanding. I think, okay, great. And like you said, 20 -something years of experience. You know what I mean? For that young dude, for that young boy that's just starting out, He probably doesn't know no other way but to bring fire and stage five from the jump. He don't know how to turn it off. He don't
know how to communicate the right way. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. So if he does bring the super deep at first and he makes her feel some kind of way. And here again, technically, yeah, he is at fault. You know what I mean? Because like I said, he's not experienced. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He wouldn't make those errors if he's been in it for 20 plus or 30 years like we are. You know what I'm saying? Because we're able to read. We're able to read the room.
You know, we know what they look for. We know how they look at you a certain way. So we know how to tune it. You know how to tune it down. But for that new guy. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. Something that we're all familiar with, and it's fucked up that we're all familiar with it, but it is what it is. We've all lived in neighborhoods, been around neighborhoods, visited neighborhoods that got fucked up by crack. Right. So it's like the motherfucker that's out there
slinging. Like, yeah, I'm not making these people come to me. I'm not making these people buy this shit from me. But at the same time, every once in a while, you'll talk to a dude who used to do that, who understands the damage that he wrought on his community. So what about the dude who gets into this? And he, because this is something that's a thing that I just, over the last few years, because like being Morgan, the Sigma male,
I was pretty much a lone wolf myself. So once I started, socializing with more dudes within the lifestyle, I started seeing there's a whole lot of dudes out there really catching feelings for people's wives. So is it the wife's fault for giving out that good pussy? Has she got the super cat? Does she bear no responsibility for making this motherfucker lose his mind? I need to know because if I can find some scientific evidence, I'm about to start losing it. I love
that. I'm joking. I'm joking. But, you know, so no matter what we say that we feel like the guy has some sort of response. I mean, and listeners, please understand this is not something that happens all the time. Honestly, I've most of the guys who I've spoken to in lifestyle, it's only a small percentage of guys, in my opinion, who experience, you know, the situation where
you've you've. Interacted with so many different people throughout the lifestyle, throughout your lifestyle experience where you come across a person or two who who creates this inappropriate or attempt to create inappropriate attachment. Now, honestly, and I feel terrible for saying this, but until the last few years, I didn't realize that there are some guys out here. who are creating these attachment to, to marry women or the hot wives or cuckoldresses in the lifestyle.
And I mean, inappropriate, like claiming this is my woman, you know, not, not with the wife or the husband's permission. So, so does the, is the bull responsible for everything? Does the, the couple have no, Bear no responsibility, especially seeing as how most of the couples have been in the lifestyle longer than many of the bulls. So is it based upon experience? I've got X amount of years of experience, so therefore I'm responsible if the woman gets too attached
to me. But if the couple has 25 years of experience and they get a young bull, then he gets attached. Is it now their fault that he's attached? That goes back to the comment that I just made about when you have both parties that are relatively new to this, when you kind of sit back down. That wasn't the question. That wasn't the question. Yeah, yeah. So you said that the couple is experienced? Yep. Yes, this couple has 20 plus, yeah, 20 plus. Yeah, and that situation, the responsibility
falls to the more experienced party. Can we all agree on that? The responsibility falls to the more experienced part? I don't agree. Listen, I don't agree, but I think you're finally being fair. I will take it because you're being fair. God damn it. He's being fair. He's being fair. You know what I'm saying? My complaint before was the lack of fairness and the fact that at least for once you've been fair. You know, I'm about to make a lot of noise. You know what I'm
saying? I'm making a lot of noise because, you know, usually you be on that bullshit. So thank you for being fair. I still don't agree, but I like the fairness. I want to hear what Socrates has to say because he quickly said, no, you know, I disagree. What's your take on that? I mean, you got to listen to it. Listen to it good now. Because we talk about, you and I talk about experience all the time. You know what I mean? We talk about experience all the time. We got a young boy here.
We got a young dude that's just getting started. He's just getting started. We won't say age, but we're going to say he's in his 20s. Okay, he's a young dude. You know what I mean? We got a couple here that let's say they've been in his 20s. 20 years at least. So we're going to say they're in their 50s. Is that safe to say, y 'all? Let's say a 50 -year -old couple. A seasoned couple. A seasoned couple. All right, Socrates.
Now give me your, I just laid out that. You know, like Mike was saying, give me your reason for saying that it's not the couple's responsibility to like maybe bring that, maybe school that young man. Go ahead. No, no, no. Michael was saying that whoever has more experience is the responsibility, right? Okay. Well, in this case, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. Yeah. So here's why it is real simple. One thing, are they married? Yes. A couple married. Okay. So I didn't say
no vows. I said some vows to my wife and, um, My vow is that if I meet one of these, like, what is it called? Mr. Mocha said, super cat. If I meet a woman with a super cat, my commitment to my wife is I work that shit out. I got to let that super cat go. I got to do something because we've made a commitment. I didn't make no commitment to you. Even if I'm your boyfriend and you want me to be your boyfriend, you didn't say. Hey, you are applying now for the job of
replacing my husband. No, you said y 'all are together. You guys are committed. And I always ask that question. Are you guys in a happy relationship? Because I don't want no smoke. I don't want no problem. So you guys are committed. I didn't make no vow to you, woman. I didn't make no vow to you, Mr. Cuff. I made a commitment. I'm going to bring as much of my skills as I can, and we're going to enjoy each other's company. I'm not responsible for you. You ain't responsible for
me. They made a vow to each other. So if I put super dick on you, and even if I fit in my opinion, if a super dick come to Siren and put it on her, like all the way on her, like he has, he's unethical. He don't care. My mentality is, even if I'm lacking, you made a vow and a commitment to me that we got to work this out. Right. And if you would have said, well, I'm looking that look, I'm out.
But if you're like, we're getting into this for fun and we're going to expand our relationship or maybe he's got some things like, I don't role play. It's hard enough to be. Right. I don't role play. So I'm like, please go get yourself a brother that can play cop or robbers or whatever the hell y 'all want to do. I ain't doing it. So that's our commitment. She's committed to me. I'm committed to her. So now I don't care
what y 'all experience got. I don't care if the dude, I just, we technically only been married. We have our anniversary for first year is coming up a couple of weeks. I don't care if the dude got 20 years experience. If Mr. Morgan can take my wife away from me, then that's on me. I dropped the bag. I have a problem. And that's my problem. Cause I made a commitment to her. She made a commitment to me. I don't care what. I don't get 55 years of experience. No. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Flip the script. Flip the script. Flip the script. All right. Let's say the wife, the wife throws, what do you call it? What do you call the mocha? Super cat or super cat? Super cat. Super cat. What if she throws super cat? What if she throws super cat? Okay. What if she throws super cat on that little 20 -some -year -old? And he goes ballistic. He goes ballistic. He goes walking around, you know, like Mike said, he tell him, yo, this is my girl, and yada, yada, yada, and
unbeknownst to the couple. Y 'all don't even know that he's saying that. You know what I'm saying? So you're saying the cubs don't even know. The cubs don't even know. The couple doesn't even know. The couple doesn't even know. You see what I'm saying? They just thought they had a great day. Yada, yada. Okay, got it. All right. You know what I mean? But, you know, she rocked bottom, okay? She hit him with the rock bottom.
You know what I'm saying? Now he messed up. So are they at fault because they didn't, you know, like bring him on slowly, you know? And like somebody told me, you don't give it all to him at one time or what? I'll take it even further. I was going to bring this up earlier. I studied hypnotism. And so back in the 70s, they were starting to put subliminal messages in the movies. And I forgot what the governing body of that
did that. But they said, you can't do that because there are some people susceptible, so susceptible to. hypnotism, that they will start losing a part of their ability to resist, right? So I'm saying there are people out there that you don't have much, you have a very hard upward battle of resisting what they're doing. I'm saying even further away from super dicks. I'm talking about some of these guys that are CIA masters or they are You know, hypnotizing masters, they study
the game like that. I'm saying you can put all that on me, but as a bull, I don't know one bull on this planet that doesn't understand the concept of you. I don't know one bull in America. What was that name? Union. Marriage. Right? Okay. You can put all that super... They don't give a fuck, but they understand the concept. That's different. What I'm saying is... You got a 20 -year -old couple. You got 20 years of togetherness,
right? And you got some young cat. Yeah, you can put it on him and make him want to act stupid. You can put it on him and have him fucked up. He can't concentrate at work. He can't take his mind off her. But there's a line that every man in this country knows. You do not cross that line. Every man knows that. I mean, if you initiate 21 and years old, yeah, you are not. I don't care what she put on you. You're wrong. You got
some huckabuckas, as I call them out there. You got some huckabuckas that don't understand that, though, brother. You got some out there. You got some out there that they get so caught up in that thing and so good that they do forget and they lose their mind. And, you know, now you got a mess. No, I'm taking it even further. You got some guys, you got some women and some people that are so skillful at it. They damn near can make a court case. I'm saying it don't
matter. It just takes it from murder to manslaughter. You still paying the price on me. You still crossed the line. Well, I was hypnotized. Your hypnotized ass crossed the line. I don't care how much experience they got. I need to understand this. So from your standpoint, because earlier we talked about when a guy interacts with a couple and the wife gets attached to him and she wants to leave the husband for that guy. Mike feels like the guy bears a certain amount of responsibility for
that. Now, the other side of that question is if, you know, a young guy meets a couple and. You know, the wife is phenomenal. She's a great woman. He gets really attached to her and he wants her for himself or he wants to take ownership of that woman. The you don't feel like it's. Her fault. Because her pussy was so good. Correct. If she's the more experienced one. So if she's the more experienced one, do you feel like she bears responsibility for the level of attachment
that the young man has to her? Because we're just switching the roles. She bears responsibility for turning him out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because whenever you turn, I mean, you've turned somebody, I'm sure you've turned somebody out before, right? You're no stranger to having turned somebody out. And I'm not talking lifestyle. I'm just talking about just period. Like you've turned somebody out before. Okay. It's not a, it's not a, it's not a Monday. They were cool. Tuesday.
They were turned out kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? Like if your eyes are open, you see it happening. Now, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, that's a different story, but you see it happening. Like, it's usually some type of gradual thing. Like, it's not instantaneous for the most part. You can acknowledge it. You can acknowledge it. Yeah, you can acknowledge
it. But if she is too far gone and nothing can change, I mean, you know that you have turned the tables in her life, and there is, like, I
mean, she's ready to give. everything up for you she's ready to give up the husband she's ready to give up she has a child she doesn't even care if the husband keeps the child she wants you that's all that she sees when she goes to bed that's all that she sees when she wakes up she comes to your job and and will find reasons to stay there you know what i mean yeah that's been through it brother been through it okay you You get pulled from your job for 30 days
for an investigation because of that shit, okay? We're going to circle. I just want you to know we ain't just going to glance over this. On the next podcast, we will circle back to that because that is one hell of a story. Yeah, yeah. I got pulled from my damn office for 30 days. To this day, I still don't know exactly where I was sitting.
for 29 days until the investigator came and told me that the other ladies who wrote statements, who I was guilty as hell because I was sleeping with them too, but they had too much to let go. So they wrote statements that made me look like Mickey Mouse. They really did. And I got out of that shit because of that. They could not find... anything to prove that i was doing what you know allegedly but was i doing it yes i was doing it Absolutely, what's fucking? I was doing
the same job. I hope the statute of limitations is done. I was Dexter's same job, brother. I'm trying to tell you right now. The part that he looks out is he was doing it well. Just for the listeners, we ain't talking about no legal shit. We talking about ethical shit. You know, a lifestyle situation that went sideways when the wife was like, hey, I want that dick to be mine. And she was willing to ruin the man's career. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And this happened twice
to me. Two times. Happened twice. I do not deserve the title of super dick. He deserves the title of super dick. Happened twice on two different freaking installations. It happened twice. Happened twice. And both of them, one ended in, later on, ended in divorce. And then the other one, they ended up leaving, going elsewhere. But later on also, they divorced also. So, you know. So, Mike, was it his fault? Was he the more experienced one? Was I the more experienced? Yeah, I was.
The dogs are judging you, B. The dogs are judging you. The dog is like, nope. I'm not saying that it's an easy thing to accept that responsibility. I'm not saying it's an easy place to get to and to do so in a flippant manner. But you asked me my opinion. And I'm always going to put the onus on the person who's seen it before, the person who has more experience. Now, part of that is, you know, and maybe it's unfair, but
I don't run from that responsibility. And the bulls that I know, the cats that I fuck with, they don't run from that responsibility. So, yes, I hold people to that standard. I'm not saying it's fair. I'm not saying it's right. But that's what I do. And if you fuck with me, that's what you're going to get. When I run dealing with a new couple, I come to that conclusion pretty quickly of who's the more experienced person in this scenario. If it's them. I move
accordingly. If it's me, I move accordingly. When I find that it's me that's in that position of more experience, you best believe I'm very much aware of every move that I make. Because I don't want shit to get complicated. I do agree with that. Is it your fault? I take it as my fault. Oh, so when shit goes sideways, you take in the heat. Yeah. Because I'm looking at it like I didn't do, I didn't have my eyes on the
prize the way I needed to. So what if there's a couple, what if it's a couple that's masterful at hiding those tickets? What if it's a couple that's like, they're not letting you know, they got all kinds of turmoil. What was that? They got all kind of turmoil in the background, but you don't know about it. Okay. Yes, sir. But you asked me that question, so I'm going to answer that question for you. Yes, sir. I'm not saying
it's impossible. I'm a hard person to hide shit from because I ask a lot of fucking questions. You know what I'm saying? And it's not just that I ask questions, but I'm listening to what you say. I'm listening to what you don't say. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't ask questions just to ask a question. Like, I'm asking a question to see how you answer it. What are you omitting? I mean, what are you copping to rather quickly? So, again, I can be fooled just like anybody.
I'm not a super nigga. But it's not easy to do. It's not easy to do. So if you're going to play that role, if you're going to lie, if you're going to be deceitful, I'm going to make you earn that bread because. Like I said, I'm asking questions, and if you answer a question, I'm like, hey, well, that's not consistent with what you said before. You know what I'm saying? Or,
you know, I've told many a chick. I've known chicks for years, and she'll use a phrase the first time, and I'll be like, that's the first time you've ever said that. Why did you say that? What was different about this conversation that made you say that right now that didn't happen in the previous two years that I've known? So I'm always going to question shit. Bitch, stay away from the dictionary, bitch. Yeah, I'm... Put this as far as that. Do not better your education.
You stay simple when you talk to me, Mitch. That name got my daddy's blood on it. Come right here with the big -ass words. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had to throw that in there. So to answer Socrates' question, I'm not saying that it's not impossible. I mean, I can have game run on me. It's not the first time. But if you do run game on me, you are going to be really, really, really good with it. Like, I'm not going to make it easy. I'm not going to make it easy on you. So the really,
really good couple ran game on you. I haven't met them yet. I'm not saying it's never going to happen. It hasn't happened yet. In a fictional world. I'll give you an example. This is not lifestyle. I'll give you an example. It's not like you thought of some galaxy far, far away. Shit. Yeah. No, I'll tell you something, but this is only reason why it's not, is this not lifestyle. So I've never told this story too. So, um, there was this, uh, Mr. Mocha slipping.
You got a sound effect for everything else. But you ain't got a sound effect for no new drop? He just said he ain't never said that before. Hey, look, I'm too busy getting nervous seeing which direction this is going in. I don't know. Like, wait. I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me find something. I got nothing yet. I got one, I think. Let me see. Some Funkmaster Flex new drop? Some new hotness? Something? Hey, look. I got one. I got one. What you got? I don't know if it's appropriate.
We don't do appropriate here. Y 'all act like y 'all ain't never listened to a mixtape. Let me tell y 'all a new story. That's all I got. So, it was, now that I think about it, oh, there you go. Now I think about it, I'm like, Yeah. Okay. So I wasn't lifestyle. I wasn't calling myself a boy. But I met this couple at my job, you know, say the job. And the husband, now that I think about it, was always like, yeah, man, you know. I was promoting in a nightclub. And
he was like a video. He was one of the first VJs that I met. So he was like trying to teach me VJing. And he was like. My wife really thinks you're cool and she can go get some graphics and she can do this and she can do that. Long story short, she ends up falling for me. And I was like, I didn't do anything with her. I was like, look, like, you know, I don't want to get involved in this kind of stuff. Right. So she was just like, but it's your charm. And
I've never been with a black man. And, you know, I don't, you know, you know, my husband don't talk to me the way you do all this kind of stuff. It caused a lot of problems, a lot of problems between the two. You know what they did? They up and moved because of me. And I never told that story because I felt really shitty about that. And I always think, well, what did I do
wrong? They upended their whole fucking life, moved to Arizona because, you know, the job I had had jobs in Arizona and they had jobs in New York. And I was in Calgary. So my point is. They were married for a long time. I was a single guy. I didn't have no skills. I was just in a different, I was just a completely different experience for her. And she had enough gum shit. She had enough ethics in her relationship to be like, if I stay around this dude, it's going
to be some problems. So we need to get away from him. And I'm like, I'm not the only brother in that town where I live. It's about 40 % black. So I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean? But she took it on herself, and they both took it upon herself to leave town. My plan is, like, you guys got to vow. You guys made commitments some on, you know, till death, right? Till death do us part. We want to do this. My thing is, how am I responsible? Because I'm
mastering my craft. Well, you're wearing your lifestyle then, so that's not even... But I was mastering my craft. My point is, I'm mastering my craft. It ain't my fault if what I'm doing disrupts your life. It's not my fault. I didn't make no commitments to anybody. How is it my fault? I'm just trying to be the best bull I can be. I'm trying to be the bulliest bull in that book. Based on what you just explained to
me. Was it instantaneous? Like, was it one day she was cool and the next day she was, or were you just like, nah, I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. Nah, she don't really mean that. Like, was there some denial on your part where it's like. Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's where it comes in because as an ethical bull, you don't dismiss those signs. Right. Yeah, you got those signs head on. Like, oh, okay. I see what you're doing. Nah, we're going to nip this
shit here in the bud right now. But what if I try to nip it, and then she's like, nah, you don't want it. What if I say, nah, man, we ain't doing this. She can't rape you. Trust me, you're going to take it away eventually. Eventually, they're going to go look elsewhere. Now, that can take a long time, but you can't wait. It can take a while. Yeah, but it'll happen. Listen, if you're doing it, here's the thing. I'm not
saying you can't throw your marriage away. I can't control you throwing your marriage away. What I can control is you ain't going to throw it away for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can remove myself from the equation. If I got to ghost you, if I got to ignore you, whatever the fuck I got to do. I can remove myself from the equation. It's late at night, and I'm sitting home horny, and I see that text message. It's up to me if I want to respond to that text message
or not. That is true, but they can also get crazy and foolish and start, like I said, coming to your job. I feel like a fucker. I know, but I'm just saying how that can get. You know how that can look. You know what I'm saying? Somebody knocking on your door at 3, 3 o 'clock in the morning. You just came from the club with a chick, and they out there banging on your doggone door. I know you in there. I know you in there. You know what I'm saying? That's not a good look.
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm still not going to do such and such. But the things that can happen before she finally says, you know, forget it. If she ever says forget it. But my thing is, like, the responsibility, I mean, either, maybe I'm a scumbag, okay, because it's already established. Yeah, clearly, because someone else is, it's like, if my wife comes home and says, hey, there's some dude at my job who's falling in love with me and he won't get
out of my face. I'm not going to be like, hey, that's your fault. You don't bear any responsibility for another person's emotional state. Now, I do agree with Mike. So I was using that to compare to Socrates' situation with the lady because he said he felt guilty that they moved out of state. I felt bad. I mean, you didn't put no dick on her. You know, wait. According to you, you didn't give her the meat. You know what I'm saying? You might have gave it to her. I'm fucking
with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. In that context, in that context, but in the lifestyle context, you know, here's the thing that I advocate for. I believe that everyone should have the freedom. To take responsibility for their emotional state. If the second that I have the ability to look at somebody in their face and go, hey. You're not emotionally stable enough to be in this lifestyle or situation.
Now, I can say you're starting to make me feel an uncomfortable attachment, at which point I'm a pull away from that. To me, I would definitely
do. However. When I'm looking at some bull, because I love to say it's only the inexperienced guys, but over the last two years, I've had multiple conversations about multiple bulls who are experienced and are known in the lifestyle who formed an unnatural attachment to a wife within a couple, her and him both, being what I would consider... I would and the husband would definitely consider unethical. Do I think that he is doing some scumbag shit? Absolutely. Do I agree with it? I do not.
Do I think that the husband should be mad at him and not the wife? Because the husband is telling me, you know, that fucker, he did this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, he knew how she feel. And so now he's not mad at her. He's mad at the dude. I don't believe that any person outside of relationship should have that much emotional responsibility because either you're strong enough to be in the lifestyle emotionally
or you are not. And if you're not strong enough to be in a lifestyle, anybody can take you or any situation can take you. It may not even be the bull. The bull may just be the catalyst. So am I going to thank you? Thank you. Am I going to tell somebody else to take emotional responsibility or accountability for someone else's actions? No, I'm not going to do that just because I wouldn't
do it. I'm not going to blame it. And if some someday some dude came around and my wife decided she'd rather be with him, it would break my heart. But. I can't look at him as the bad guy because he didn't break a vow. I got a heart. Hey, I got a heart for that one. God damn it. That's my soft spot. So, hey, look, fella, we in deep on this. We like two and a half hours in. You got to do this in like two, three parts. Yeah, we have. Y 'all eating up my memory card. Yeah,
we almost three hours into this one, man. I think we forgot that we was recording. I can say that. I forgot that we was recording. Hey, hey, I was online. I had to go online while we was talking to order an SD card because y 'all blew mine all the way up. I ran out of space. Yeah, it was like an eight -mile stretch. Don't worry, I'm still rolling. I'm still rolling. I got the big boy card over here for y 'all. Don't worry about it. Hey, no. No, no. No, Brian is super
dick. Hey, I can't take that mantle. I can't take that mantle. Listen, hey, I done had some crazy situations. You can't run from your destiny. You can't run from your destiny. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, he had two chicks try to get him knocked off. On two different installations. Uh -uh. He the winner. He is the winner. I mean, I'd have had a chick tossing lawn chairs around in my front yard, but that was just between me, her, and my neighbors. You know what I'm saying?
All right, fellas. Hey, let's wrap this thing up. We'll do a sound off on Mr. Mocha from the Old Faces podcast. And for me, this segment will be on our cutting board episode, which we're probably going to wind up breaking up into three parts. Gentlemen. Hey, man, this has been real. I think this is the first time that all the brothers. have been, you know, together in a long time. And I'm looking forward to continuing this because this is something we can talk about damn near
all night. Really. I can't speak for y 'all, but for me and Mr. Mocha, this is a Wednesday. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like work. Yeah, I know it is. I know it is. I know it is. It's indeed been a pleasure sitting here just listening, you know, to the three of you guys go at it and then, you know, cutting in when I can. But definitely, though, we're going to have to continue this another time. And I'm really looking forward
to it. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Mr. Mocha noticed is one of the big reasons why I love him. We can go in each other's neck for two hours. And, you know, sometimes we agree. Most of the times we agree to disagree. But I always love the fact that he challenges me. I mean, and it's like, okay, motherfucker, let me see how much you believe that shit you're saying. Ditto, ditto. Yeah, I like to think I do the same to him. Absolutely. So it's that whole iron sharpens iron thing.
So, you know, I'll release this on some version of the China shop. And so we'll make sure we catch people from all sides. No matter who they listen to, they're going to hear this. It's a long time. I don't know if they're going to stick around for the whole thing. Hopefully they will. Like I said, I think it got to a point where we forgot we were recording. Yeah. Just having fun. And we need to fellowship more often just like this. You know what I mean? Regardless if
we are recording or not. Indeed. Well, Mr. Mocha won't let you talk for more than 10 minutes before. He says we need to be recording this. Correction. As soon as there's the slightest bit of disagreement, it's like, okay, we need to be recording this. That's because we didn't talk for five hours, man. We was like, hey, we probably should have recorded that. Yeah, no, no. We definitely let some gold slip out of the way by just being lazy. But no, sometimes, like B says, sometimes I just
want to talk. Yeah, I just want to close it, man. We don't always have to record, but it's always fun when we do. Until next time, fellas. I mean, it's your podcast, so you got to be the one to sign off. Socrates ain't signed off yet. Socrates, what you got to say, baby? Yeah, yeah. Socrates signing off. And I think what we'll do as the producer, I think we're going to put this on the bull table, but I'm not sure if that's going to be the title of it. But that will be
on that segment as well. So, yeah, it's a pleasure as well to be in the presence of these masters, man, and me to sit under y 'all's feet. And I want to say this, too. You're at the table, bro. You're at the table. Yeah, well, that's right. Yeah, that's true. To be at this table and to have an input with these brothers is just a pleasure. I'm still working on mastery. I can't claim master yet. Yeah, me either. But, you know. All right, man. Okay, well. Brian was the only quiet one,
so we'll say. Hey, Brian didn't jump and say, you don't call me that. Hey. He is the older brother. Yeah. Brian is big, bro. Hey, he a vet. He can't let his younger brothers know that he don't know everything. Hey, look, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I don't know everything, man. That's why we need the fellowship like this more often. You know what I'm saying? So we can come together and put all these great minds together and all these thoughts together and stuff, man.
Because here again, we're all at a point in our lives now where we need to be giving back. We need to be teaching. These younger ones. You know, they're talking about younger ones. And even the older ones who just don't have the experience yet. You know what I mean? They're just getting into it. We need to be teaching. We need to be teaching. All right? This is the world that we live in. This is the world that we live and love 24 -7. And, you know, we ain't going nowhere.
This is who we are. And that's what younger cats can learn. You can bust balls and learn at the same time. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's why I love this. Because I know you two motherfuckers are going to go at it. I know y 'all are going to go at it. We live for this shit. I know y 'all are going to go at it. You know what I'm saying? We live for this shit. And I can't wait until Pagan is on the other line also. You know? Good luck tracking him down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You done said that. He must be hard to get. He must be hard to track. That's Pagan, a .k .a. Milkbox. It's like he's on the side of the milkbox. There you go. There you go. We're going to fish him up. There you go. Hey, once he hears this one, he's going to show up. He's going to be mad he missed this one. He's going to be mad he missed this one. All right, fellas. Good deal. Love y 'all. Well, hey, man. It's been a pleasure.
It has really been a pleasure. And as I usually say on our podcast, you know, for the brothers. of the brotherhood out there uh good night and for all those sexy hot wives good morning That's that boom baby girl shit I was talking about right there. He wanted to close up by wetting up some panties real quick. Let me wet some panties before you wrap this thing up. You know the context
of what he means when he says good morning. That means I'm laying behind you and I'm just going to reach over and just say good morning in your ear. You know me, brother. That's that ism as we call it down in the South. You know what I'm saying? That's that ism. But ladies and gentlemen, we hope you have enjoyed this podcast for the night, this episode for the night. And here again, we will talk to you soon. Everybody, good night.
Good night, fellas. All right, kill it. Three hours of my night talking to y 'all, motherfucker. This brotherhood's for men whose stories need to get told. Say it loud. Oh, say it loud. This is who we are. Old, confident, and seductive. Dominant and classy. We stand tall, never fall. Bull brotherhood. Luxury untold.