Why The Left Coast Is Crumbling?

to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake America, You're a great American Again the Buck Sexton Show begins. He's a great guy. No, Welcome to Buck Saxon Show. Everybody a lot to get to today. We'll have more on the process of Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff trying to do an impeachment behind closed doors where there's no transparency. Man, I have so many things I want to hit today. I'm not even sure we'll get to them all. Free college in New Mexico paid for

by oil though, Oh that could be a problem. Almost eighty thousand unaccompanied minor children showed up the border so far. This I believe it's this past fiscal year, and were there efforts to change the transcript of the phone call between Presidents Lensky and President Trump. We have oh Is questioning Lieutenant Colonel Vinman on patriotic We'll get into that and so much more. I wanted to start, though, with a question that I posed to our our guest yesterday, Tiana,

the esteemed Tiana Low of the Washington Examiner. She's a California native. Perhaps we'll get Victor Davis Hanson, one of my favorite living authors, Victor Davis Hansen, to come on and join us, because he has always had some very worthwhile thoughts about just what the heck is going on in California. Where is the political backlash to problems that now are just blaringly obvious, that are just staring everyone in the face. And I wanted to start, well, actually,

let's review some of what's going on there. You right now have fires that are even threatening the Reagan Library,

fires burning out of control. If the winds get bad, you could see hundreds and hundreds of homes perhaps who knows how many millions and millions of dollars have damage done, People losing all their personal belongings, and of course, most importantly, most urgently, the possibility of people in harm's way, as these fires can burn very fast, very quickly, changed direction, and you can be caught in a place where there's just no way to help, there's no one who can

get to you in time. You have these fires, then you also have the blackouts. And the fires and the blackouts are related. And I'm keep in mind this is not just a state. California is the fifth largest economy in the world by itself, and because of the political monoculture that exists there, it is largely now a standard bearer of unfettered liberalism, progressivism without any speed bumps or

breaks put on it. Just go all in progressive, very high taxes, tremendous regulation, left wing special interest dictating policy. Now you have the problem with the blackouts tied to the fires, because the blackouts that are currently affecting almost forty million or could effect up to forty million people in the state of California, are a result of concerns over the fires. Why do you have fires in California like this? And by the way, the fires are more

devastating in recent years than had been the past. People want to point to climate change, but in fact, there were more fires overall earlier in history if you look at the data on this, So there's not it's not that there are more fires that but fires have become more devastating. Why is that they will tell us it's because of climate change. That's just they're just pointing to

the thing that makes them happiest as an answer. It's much more likely that the natural state that many of the environmentalist groups in California insist on for the forested areas, meaning leave all the dead brush, leave all the stuff there, don't do any controlled burns, and don't do any active forestry management, just let everything pile up. That then results in much more devastating, fast burning fires in many areas of the state. And then you also have the blackouts

that have come down. A PG and E, which is the major utility company involved here, has insisted on voluntary blackouts, at least voluntary from perspective of the company does not have to do this thing, but is doing it because they don't want liability for fires that are caused by down power lines. All right, so when there are fires going on, they're concerned about being blamed for fires that

result from a down power line. Obviously, if the fire stretches in and hits some of the power lines, or if winds pick up, which is a concern about the fire. There's all these different components of risk for PG and E, and so what do they do. They say, Fine, We're just gonna turn off the power. Now, this is something that you generally associate with a third world country, having been in countries where in the middle of a day, all of a sudden, all the lights go out, all

the computers go blank, the air conditioning shuts off. If they have air conditioning, You say to yourself, what just happened, Oh, just you know, a blackout. They'll be on hopefully in an hour or two, and everyone just kind of goes okay. I don't think the people of California should get used to that. I don't think that they should accept this as the future, as the status quo. But I do wonder when will they wake up to what's really going

on here? When will they recognize that First of all, less than ten percent of fires are started by down of these major forest fires are started started by down electrical lines, and all the all the judgments that are being made right now by PG and E are very much affected by the hyper regulatory environment that insists on by the way, having the power company extend their networks to housing developments in what are considered very high fire areas,

even though the power company is like, well, that's going to be bad for us, because what happens if there's a fire caused by a downpower line in that high risk area? Up, you're going to be You're going to be held responsible. In fact, the state of California holds

the power company responsible regardless of negligence. So they're trying to provide power up something bad happens, power company is responsible now, and this is part of the litigious anti corporate attitude, even though it's a utility company not really technically, it's not really a private corporation the same way, but some big depocketed corporate entity has to pay when bad things happen to people. This is another liberal idea, although

sometimes it crosses party lines. California is a one party government, folks. So when we look at the exploding homeless population on the streets of California cities, when we look at the terrible water management issues where they've had stretching back for years now, concerns about drought and what are we going to do. California as a as a piece of land, as a piece of territory, should be paradise. Basically, it's

incredibly rich in natural resources. You have an amazingly hospitable natural climate there for agriculture, obviously for growing wine up in Napa and Sonoma, as well as other places in the state of California. It's there's oil in California, there's natural There's just tremendous natural resources in California. But there have been mismanaged horribly by those who are blinded by ideology.

And now we get into this. So so what happens now there's the flow from California of families, especially young working families, that are saying, we're done with this. We're going to Nevada, We're going to Texas, We're going to North Carolina, perhaps Tennessee. I don't know, but they're just leaving places in California because I can't take it anymore. The Golden State is no longer golden for them. They've

had enough. Now that part of your mind that thinks about the federalist system that we have and the experiments of government in all the individual states. There should be a little bit of a light going off there. When will people learn the lesson? Oh, but they'll tell us California so wealthy. Look at how wealthy it is. Look at how many people live there. Well, a lot of people live there because they've been born into this state

that is getting over time increasingly poorly managed. But there are also enormous concentrations of wealth in Silicon Valley and in Hollywood. Those are the two big ones that you generally think of, But remember those are now appealing to a global marketplace. They're not just local company towns. You know, they're not really responsible for the state of California. You know, they pay high taxes, or they have armies of accountants

and try to avoid taxation as much as possible. And there's a lot of ways that corporatism and big government go hand in hand, go together. But you'll notice that progressives have not yet figured out. They haven't yet connected the dots here as to why are all these things happening in this state? How is it that the same state that is home to the most wealthy technology corporations

in the world. Well, I mean I guess Amazon's technically not California base, but Google and Facebook and well all of them are on YouTube's owned by Google, all these different companies that are based out there. That's the same state now that has blackouts for millions of people when there's a fire going somewhere in the state. That seems to be a warning sign, doesn't it. But here's the problem. Progressives can live off this so called can live off

the fat of the land for a while. They can take what they can and it over the period of time that they are running in economy in this case of state economy into a ground, into the ground. They will always come up with new excuses to why this is happening. You also have in that progressive stronghold on the left coast the wealth inequality that is looking like a third world country while they're pretending to be doing so much to help working people. At some point there

may come a moment of recognition. I would hope for the people of California and for the entire Every time I say that, I think the people of California with NATO, with Schwartzenega. Schwartzenega took on the public sector unions that are politically unbeatable in the state and they just crushed him. And that was after they had the recall of that governor. So politics has been largely dysfunctional there because it's a

one party state. But progressives never learned a lesson, you see, That's what you really have to take away from this. They don't see cause and effect. They just come up with theories. Oh it's climate change. Oh it's because the rich aren't paying their fair share. It's always a slogan. It's never rooted in cause and effect, the reality of what's really happening day to day, what decisions are made, and what are the consequences of those decisions, especially by

the state government. These things take time, right, It takes time to ruin a city, as we see here in New York with Mari de Blasio. It takes time to ruin a state. The problem with waiting until all the results are in there's really twofold. One then things are ruined, and two they won't even take responsibility once they've destroyed the thing that you've been warning them all along they

were destroying. That's really part of the lesson of mismanagement in California, in many major cities that are Democrats strongholds, whether it's Detroit or Chicago or Baltimore. It's never the fault of the people in charge, you see, there's always external factors. It's almost like the Venezuela playbook here. Well, it's not that the Majuro regime and before the Chavez regime turned a generally well off South American country into

an impoverished, anarchic waste land. It's the Yankee Americans were the ones that ruin this country. You know, if you talk about Chicago, you talking about Baltimore, talking about the whole state of California. Now, it can't be the Democrat Party. It can't be the policies of the left which make people feel good and can sound good, but in practice

our disastrous. Whether it's water management, forestry, dealing with fires, management of utility companies, economic inequality, all these different areas where California is just a disaster. They don't learn the lesson, which is one of the reasons why we can't just

allow them to play out their experiment. We have to try and come up with a counter argument, come up with an alternative that people will believe in enough to take power out of the hands of the left wing idealogues, the central planners of progressivism, and give it to people who know what the heck they're doing and will govern based on not just the will of the people as they see it, but on the results of their policies. They can tell us all day about how terrible Trump is.

Look at how the country's doing, Trump's the president. Look at how California is doing. Democrats were on the whole state. I think the proof is in the pudding, as they say, my friends, but don't expect them to learn that less than any time soon. There's always a ready excuse when you're talking about leftist no matter how much they destroy what should be a great state, a great place. And

that's what they're doing right now. The President's done a lot of work to strengthen the alliances that perhaps were neglected in the previous administration. And what we found is that by working with our partners in our allies throughout the world, we're able to create better burden sharing, and we're able to find ways to hopefully resolve some of the more difficult situations in the world without escalating them. And so again, all the things that the people were saying,

who are against the president. Last time, we're saying would happen, that we're bad if the president want hapn't happened. And then you know, the next morning, the sun rose, in the next evening, the sun set, and Americans. America's gotten more and more prosperous, and I think people really like

what the president's doing. The last part people would argue with, but the part right before it, and I was Jared Kushtier By the way, we don't hear very much from from Jared, But America is getting more and more prosperous. Things things are going well. I like to judge a politician by the results of policies and by what happens in the aftermath of their decisions, not by what the

media tells me needs to happen. You know, there's all these conversations that Kenny had about healthcare, about the border, about the economy, about trade with China. These are issues that matter. But instead of what you have on the left is this obsession with just trying to come up with some excuse to impeach the president when we know they're going to impeach him no matter what they find, no matter what the excuses, doesn't matter. It's all. It's all just a ruse. It's a sham, it's a scam.

Who told you? I told you, I'm not the only one that the Russia collusion thing was a joke, and then it all happened. We went through this investigation and yeah, guess what, I was right. I'm telling you again, this

old Ukraine thing is ridiculous. We already have the transcript, and now they're saying, oh, maybe maybe there are changes that need to be made of the transcript, but in case you don't know, really, just how worthwhile and brilliant The mainstream media is MSNBC's Nicole Wallace, Republican administration official by the way, and the Bush administration, she's one of those.

Here's what she said about Fox News Fox News conversation dealing with Alexander Vinman, who's the one who testified recently about Ukraine, played twenty three. Here we have a US national security official who is advising Ukraine while working inside the White House, apparently against the President's interest, and usually they spoke in English. Isn't that kind of an interesting

angle on this story? I find that astounding, And you know, some people might call that espionage, except those people aren't chicken like the three of you, and they know that he passed a background check that the president's daughter and son in latdn't. I think, I don't know jo conversation. That's right, Nicole, you heard that. In the beginning, it was Laura Ingraham, then John You talking on Fox News. But then Nicole Wallace comes in to say that they

are chicken bleeps. That's the kind of astute analysis, the kind of adult conversation you can expect over at MSNBC these days. When I tell you that Trump derangement syndrome is real, that it makes people crazy, that they can't make normal, rational decisions because of their hatred for Trump, I really mean that it overrides other decision making processes. The hatred of Trump becomes the primary motivation for anything and everything. But let's talk more about this congressional impeachment

situation in Men and all the rest of it. Adam Schiff, among many things, has been trying to claim that this is a fair process by saying that Republicans are allowed to ask questions. Now he gets to choose all the witnesses and him and himself only, which means it's not

a fair process. On the face. But even his claim now that Republicans can ask questions has been undermined because now he's directing witnesses not to answer questions that he doesn't want the witness to answer if they're asked by Republicans. He's not cut off one Democrat, he's not interrupted one Democrat and told the witness not to answer Democrat members questions. But today he started telling witnesses the witness not to

answer questions by certain Republicans. That reeks. And by the way, if you want to talk about a Soviet style process again, that might be what they do in the Soviet Union, not in the United States of America. We can't stand for this. The American people are being denied equal justice. Well, I've plodded the speaker for finally admitting it is a hood tire sham, but you can't put the genie back in the bottom. A due process starts at the beginning.

It doesn't affirm a missham investigation all the way through. If you were in the legal term, it'd be the fruit from the poisonous tree. It'd be a mistrial. None of this said, none of this information would go forward. But what's most important to the American public. We all have the phone call, we all have the transcript, we are all able to see there was no quid pro quote, the money was released. Ukraine did nothing and no action was taken. Where's the crime, where's the impeachment? What's the

impeachable offense? The American public sees that we should move on, and they continue to try to move a whole sham organization. It's not going to work. Well, we're not going to move on, not for sure. The Democrats won't allow it. But let's talk about all of us. Yeah, the process, what's going on behind closed doors? What has Shifty Shift been up to? Also this former NFC staffer Vinman and his testimony and all the brew haha over that, We've got our friend Sean Davis with us now. He is

co founder of the Federalists. Go to the Federalist dot com for his latest Sean, Thank you so much, sir, thanks for having me. All right, man, let's start with the process. What was this yesterday about Shift telling people? So he picks the witnesses, then he has the witnesses testifying behind closed doors, and then he tells the witnesses sometimes don't answer that how does this work? Yeah, it's

kind of amazing. I think the best analog would be to think of a criminal trial where the prosecutor is also the judge and also the jury. And in this example, the prosecutor can call whoever he wants, question whoever he wants, present whatever evidence he wants, but he won't allow the defense to call any witnesses, won't allow the defense to present or question evidence, and won't even allow the defense

to cross examine or ask questions of witnesses. I think calling this a Soviet style show trial is probably unfair to Soviet show trials. And what happened yesterday was Vinman, this NFC staffer was asked, Hey, who did you share all this information with? Who did you share the transcript or read out information with? Who did you lead information to? And it was at that point that shift told him not to answer. That isn't just a shocking obstruction of

what it's supposed to be a fact finding process? Here? What do we know about where Nancy Pelosi is on all this? They have had some vote on or there's a presentation of a process here, they've got a resolution. Where does the process stand for this impeachment? Inquiry whatever they're calling it. I mean, can you just bring us up to speed on where this is right now? Well, it's nowhere because this investigation they keep referencing is non existent.

And the reason I say that is because in the Constitution, the House of Representatives is vested with the authority to conduct impeachment. Now, a single member of Congress is not the House of re Presentatives. Leadership is not the House of Representatives. Nancy Pelosi is not the House of Representatives. The House of Representatives is clearly what it states, It's the body as a whole. And that body has never, not a single time, authorized any of these types of

investigations into Trump. And so the way the process works is when you don't have the entire House delegating specific authority to a specific committee, you are left with the authority of those various committees and their limited jurisdictions. So Intelligence they can look at Intel activities, appropriations, they can look at funding activities, Defense can look at the Defense Department.

But what is happening instead of the Intel Committee led by Adam Schiff, is doing things that are far outside of its jurisdiction, subpoenaing people that they have no authority to subpoena. And then you have Pelosi understanding that this is a sham process, one that's not authorized, and now facing a court challenge on that matter. She's trying to come and clean up the mess after the fact with this resolution, and has put her in a real bind.

She's having to rescue a scam tainted process without actually authorizing a new, real investigation, because that in itself would prove that the previous one was in valid. So she's got a real mess on her hands nowt Now, just for everybody listening, Sean worked in Congress. He was an investigator what was for Senator Coburn, Yes, Senator Coburn. So he knows about these processes and how this stuff all goes on. He's been a part of all that. Sean,

what do you expect to happen next? It seems like it seems like it's some level the Democrats don't even know. All they know is they want control of it and they want to be able to change it day to day to suit their needs. But do you have some sense of how their strategy is going to play out, what the timeline is they're working with here? I'm not even sure they have a strategy at this point, I think what they were going with was fire, aim and then ready. They're kind of the dog that caught the

car at this point. Look, the Mueller investigation was a failure for them. Mueller's testimony blew up in their faces, and they've been searching ever since for an excuse to have an impeachment show trial. And so when Schiff and his team coordinated with this so called whistleblower to cook all this up, they said, oh, well, this is it. And originally as they said, oh, we're going to impeach him by November, well, I mean it's going to be

November in two days. Oh we're gonna impeach him by Thanksgiving. I don't think that's happening. Oh well, we might do

it by Christmas. I think they've lost control here. They realize that there's no there there, that the public's not with him, and so I think at this point what you're going to see is them trying to drag the process out as long as possible so that the process itself is punishment against Trump, that they can use it as this cloud over his head heading into the elections, much like they used the two year long Muller investigation.

The whole purpose of that was, you know, maybe we'll get lucky and he'll get thrown out of office, but if not, we're going to paralyze him for two years. And they just decided in this process here, yeah, we might not get what we actually want, but we're going to paralyze them for a year heading into the election. It's political. Is there going to be an impeachment vote in the House. I've always felt like they're going to impeach him no matter what, just because they really want to.

It doesn't even if it's bad politics for them for the election. I still think they're going to do it because they can't help themselves. Is there a future in which you see the Democrat majority House not vote to impeach the president, not present articles of impeachment against him on the House floor. So I'm with you. Ever since the whole Molar thing started, I said, you know, they're it is not going to allow them to not impeach him. They're gonna ppeach him for any reason or no reason.

But as this process has dragged along, and as we've watched Pelosi refused to even have a vote to authorize an actual impeachment investigation. I'm beginning to think they're concerned about their own politics here, because there's no procedural upside to them avoiding a vote just allowing an investigation, So there must be some reason why they're not doing it.

I can think of two. Either they don't have the votes at all, which I don't think is the case, or they know that may King thirty or so swing district members to walk the plank his political suicide for them. So if they can't even get to a vote authorizing an investigation, I'm not sure anymore they are ever going

to get to a vote for impeachment. And I suspect we may drag into twenty twenty and into the Democrat primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire with them still having not resolved it, which will be an absolute disaster for them, given that I think half their members in the Senate

are currently running for president. Now let's talk about Vinman, Lieutenant Colonel Vinman, who I've been hearing so much about from the media, and it's the usual how dare you question this military man, which reminds me of how dare you questioned James Come? And then we found out that he was the worst. And how dare you questioned, Mueller? We found out that he was basically pulled out of like the retirement home in order to pretend to be

running this investigation. It really seemed like you had no idea what was going on. What do you make of this story that Vinman now may have tried to change the transcript of the phone call between the President and Zelenski? What do you see here? What should we take away

from that? So I'll tell you, I'm amused by the theatrics and faux hysteria over any questioning of Vinman, given how we saw that these same people treated Michael Flynn, who was a very well decorated combat officer, three star general. I just can't take they call him a traitor, routinely, routinely called him. Yeah, Sally Yates, you know, said he had violated the Logan Act. I mean, come on, So

these people are not serious. A huge part of their political operation is to shout down anyone who says or asked anything they don't like, Just like shifted when Vinman was asked, who did you leak to yesterday? You know, I don't know what happened with him editing a transcript or not. I'll tell you I'm skeptical of any leaks that are obviously coming from Shift's office. The guy's a

liar and a fabricator, and he can't be trusted. I will say that what concerns me most is, you know, I'm very thankful for Vinman's service and the sacrifices he may in the armed services for US, but I'm extremely concerned about an active duty uniform military officer going behind the President's back, trying to subvert his process, leaking to people, and taking part in what sure looks like an attempt at coup against the commander in chief. I think that's

really problematic. When you have active duty military, you have Intelligence service and Security Service operatives inside the House attempting to criminalize differing foreign policy views that the president their commander has. This is really really dangerous stuff, and I worry that once you start going down this road, you

can never actually go back. And in terms of what we're supposed to believe from this, it seems to me that, Okay, there's that leak about maybe he wanted to change the transcript, that to me is meant to undermine what a lot of us have come away from this thinking which is, Okay, we know what was said on the call. I don't care what somebody else thinks about what was said on the call, whether they liked it or I know what

was said on the call. Therefore, I don't you know, this is just more opinions of people who clearly don't like and don't agree with the president on these issues or perhaps on any issue. So that to me is maybe just to get around that problem for them. But what you know as of now, what exactly is the article of impeachment about this phone call supposed to say? What if there's not a crime, this is supposed to be? What abuse of power? That's I'm not even clear on

what the line of attack is. Well, look at the Washington Post, I believe the day Trump was inaugurated said his impeachment begins now. So the real crime here is that Trump beat Hillary Clinton. That has always been the crime. It's unpardonable and they will never forgive him for it. So the last three years has been a futile fishing expedition for maybe something that they can pretend is the real reason they want to get rid of Trump, when in reality the real reason is they want to get

rid of him because he beat Hillary. So looking at that call, of course, there's no crime in there. This is a president trying to enact his own foreign policy. And I'm sorry when you go down into the chain of command in the military, it is not the job of an O five detail to the White House to determine what is or is not allowed by the president

in conducting the foreign policy. There's a reason we have civilian control of the military and civilian control of government in this country, and it's because the founders knew that civilians needed to be accountable to the people who elected them. So when you have uniform military officers going in there, marching into these congressional rooms and saying, you know, this guy's awful. He tried to do things that I didn't

agree with, that's not how this country is run. Do you think we're going to find out who whistle blower is, Well, I think shift is desperate to make sure that never happens. And I'll say, look, everyone in the media knows who it is. Everyone on the Democratic side knows who it is. Leaks were coming out about this long before it happened.

In fact, the whistleblower was colluding with SHIFT before ever filing the complaints, and it was interesting, Shift before all that came out, said oh, we've got to get him in here. We've got to get his testimony. He needs to come and testify. Most of us are like, yeah, absolutely, I want to know what this guy was up to.

But as soon as it was revealed that SHIFT was colluding with him secretly before the complaint was filed, and the SHIFT lied about it, Shifted an immediate one eighty and I'm not sure we've even heard about the guy ever since, which I find fascinating. Sean Davis, everybody check out the Federalist dot com. They're doing great work over there, Sean. Always appreciate your perspective, sir. We'll talk to you soon. Always a pleasure, Thank you. Buck. They can't fix it.

The process is broken, it's tainted. They have gone through this process where you have seen one side of the story. It's been an effort to get one side of facts and then to selectively leak those facts in order to

taint the president. The idea that we want to know through this individual may have communicated with that's important informations and the idea that when during our hour, our counsel's asking questions and Adam Shift tells the witness not to answer our questions is completely ridiculous, and it's why this

should be in public. It's not possible to look at what's going on right now and come away from it thinking anything other than this is a get Trump procedure, another get Trump procedure from Democrats, unless you are so deluded with anti Trump sentiment that it's no longer possible for you to be objective. And I think, unfortunately that's a widespread problem now. I think there are a lot of people out there who have been completely and utterly their sanity on all issues of Trump has been taken

away from them. They just can't find a way to step back and say, Okay, what's really true here, what's really going on. I also believe that the American people must be getting very tired of this. The ones who hate Trump, you know, the the twenty or thirty percent of the Democratic Party that or maybe twenty thirty percent of voters who are Democrats. They hate Trump so much

that any thing that is damaging for the president. It's it's like, you know, when the hamster hits the little pedal and gets the gets to eat the pellet or whatever. You know. They just they want more, they need more. They can't stop. And that's what CNN is set up

to do. In MSNBC and New York Times and The Washington Post and many many other places, they're all just trying to feed a a brainwashed audience more anti more, a steady diet of anti Trump isn't because that's what they think their audience wants to hear and read and see. And I think that's largely true. I can't imagine that

most Americans care all that much about these shenanigans. I can't imagine anybody watches Adam Schiff give these press conferences where he just has this you know, cold look in his eyes. That is, well, the President of the United States clearly violated the Constitution, and he really looks like somebody out of you know, like American horror story something. He's a creepy guy, and there's no sense of decency or warmth or anything from him. Who votes for Adam

ship That's what I really want to know. Well, I just look and stare at the camera and my eyes don't blink, but I want to tell you that this president is the worst human being in the history of the planet. You're like, what is this guy doing? But we in the conservative media are forced to continue to cover his nonsense because otherwise the charges just go unanswered, The allegations are able to just linger out there, and that's unfair to the president. This stuff is just what

a waste, what a waste of time. It is for all involved, whether they realize it or not. But when you've decided that government power is something that must be in the hands of the left, it's intrinsic to your sense of well being that you have libs with a lot of power to enact what you think is good for the country. I suppose then all the rest of one's judgment is tainted. And that's what we're seeing, all right, Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I don't want

to dive too deep. We've already done a lot on the Vineman testimony. But this just this caught my eye because one of the media lines about this has been

about how you can't question Lieutenant Colonel Vinman because he served. Now, having seen what many leftists will say about Dan Crenshaw, a wounded veteran who served the Navy Seals having seen the way as Sean Davis mentioned that they treated thirty years of service from General Flynn and then just calling him a trader because he made a phone call when he was national security advisor to a Russian ambassador. Nothing wrong with what he said on that phone call, by

the way, nothing, but they're calling him a trader. No, no problem with that. What I want to throw him in prison. That's how much they respected his military service. So we know there's a huge double standard with all this. But I would just note that former Congressman Sean Duffy, whom I know, and I will say he's a very nice guy. He's a very nice guy. But he he took a job at CNN as a commentator. Now I know what that's like. I worked as a CNN commentator

for a couple of years, which was great. It was being behind enemy lines without anybody really they're knowing, although they figured they knew I was a little conservative. They initially hired me at CNN as a mostly a national security analyst. I was doing there. I did a lot of terrorism hits. I did hits on terrorism more than anything else. Right, counter terrorism issues because of my time in CIASCTC, the counter Terrorism Center as well as the

NYPD Intelligence Division working on counterterism cases. But you know who needs the resume right now? You know what I'm saying. But as soon as I became an outspoken conservative during the twenty sixteen election cycle, and especially once I was willing to support Donald Trump, then all of a sudden, they changed their attitude toward me very markedly. Producers, the hosts. I was a bad guy. Now. I wasn't just some curiosity of a you know, kind of prep you loooking

x CIA guy that could talk about these things. Now it was something else. And then that brings me to what happens when you're a conservative at CNN. You have to remember, this is your career. If you're in the media, right you're trying to build a brand. You're trying to do things that will help you grow recognition an audience over time. That's what a media career is built on. And CNN uses that will use that to make you say things you don't really want to say. Usually it's

mostly going to have you back off. You know, you can't really argue with someone the way you'd want to because at CNN they will shut you down, they'll tell you you're a banned from the show for a while. So I wish Congressman Duffy talked to me before going to CNN, because I would have told them. I would have told him that you're not going to be able to be there and get treated with respect as a conservative. Just get used to that right now. And it isn't.

It is a Trump destroying organization. That is what it exists to do. And here is Sean Duffy stepping in it a little bit over at CNN Play twenty four. He's a he is a he's an advisor to the president. UM. He is a former Ukrainian. He wants to make sure the taxpayer money goes in military. Eight times where going to explain that he came up with Fox. He was he's an active duty military member, an American who was

awarded I'm a I'm a virus descent UM. I still love the Irish UM and he has an affinity probably for his homeland. That's not my point, though, John. My point is that he gives advice to the president. He doesn't set policy. So the president has a lot of advisors who give different opinions in different views, but the president is elected by sixty plus million people to actually

implement the policy, and that's exactly what he did. Oh, that turned into quite a feeding frenzy, A dual loyalty smear is what that became in the media, in the media, and look, it was not It was not a wise place for Congressman Duffy to go because the storyline immediately becomes wounded veteran, which is what Lieutenant Colonel Vinman is

and and did fight for his country. This just turns into a session where they can club Duffy into submission because I think I know what he was trying to say, but he said it poorly, which is that there was a policy difference that that Vinman had. That manifested itself in some of the reaction to Trump's phone call. But it is not the place of Lieutenant Colonel Vinman to have a policy difference with the president. To bring in the oh he's from Ukraine thing was unwise, and uh,

it was. It was a bad move. But then I just have to note that CNN, if you're in the family at CNN, if you're a liberal at CNN and you say something really stupid, which happens at CNN like every five minutes. But if you say something that they can't even begin to defend, they'll usually put you on ice, you know, maybe somebody else. You know, there'll be some public statement from CNNPR about how, oh we you know, we don't approve of what was said, and that person

has been disciplined or there. They'll be off the air for a week or two, but then they'll then they'll bring you back. What they only do if you're a conservative, though, is if you say something dumb on TV, if you say something unwise on TV, then all the different anchors because you're conservative, so you're disposable to borrow from Rambo in First Blood Part two. Expendable, I think is the way that he talked about it. Right, You're expendable if

you're a conservative over at CNN. And that's why Chris Cuomo pro Cuomo, you know, trying to be trying to brow out, you know, douse bro stuff. Bro Cuomo over at CNN trashed his colleague Duffy in a way that would never happen if Duffy were a Democrat, but as a former Republican congressman, this is what happens at your

own network twenty five. Former Congressman Sean Duffy this morning on CNN smeared Vinman is having allegiance to Ukraine and not to the country that Vineman literally fought and bled for the United States. Quote, I don't know that he's concerned about American policy. Getting Ukraine those weapons to beat back the Russians was and is American policy. It was passed by the House and the Senate and signed into

law by the President. According to someone who knows Vinman, this is someone who never complains about his wounds, but he still walks around with some of the shrapnel in his body. This vile dual loyalty smear of an Army colonel comes just days after a different smear of a different decorated war veteran, the smear by President Trump of Ambassador Bill Taylor. You see, if you disagree with even Bill Taylor, you're a bad person, You're disloyal, and you're

trashing veterans. Say, look, this is one of the favorite liberal things to talk about. Now, Duffy, I'm I'm not saying Duffy didn't mess up. It was a dumb thing to say. But when I am telling you, by the way, that was not Bro Cuomo, obviously it was. It was wrong on my sheet here. You know, hey, we're doing a show. I'm sometimes we get that was Jake Tapper, and I don't want to get a really mean email telling me I'll never work in this town again. So I want to make sure I get I get it right.

You make any mistake where Tapper's concerned, and you know you're you're in a whole bunch your your career all of a sudden will be will be threatened. He's a really, really lovely fellow. But Bro Cuomo over at CNN is somebody we'll talk about another time. Jake Tapper was the one who I mean, really went after Duffy. The guy works for CNN, no one. They're not giving an effort to apologize. They're just trashing him because it's necessary right now for the bit. It's give an opportunity to make

it right. And I believe Cuomo Walls and there were other anchors as well that if from what I saw on the headlines, went after Duffy for this, but Tapper just tore into him, and poor guy. I'm sure Duffy he's trying to make money, you know, feed his family. He's trying to you know, think about some media apportunities. He's a I had drinks with a guy in DC. He's a really nice dude and a good guy. And does anyone think he doesn't like the mility? This is the part of this that gets to me. So does

anyone think he doesn't respect the military? Of course not. Duffy's a patriot. He said he got a little caught up in something, but then they just just just trash him, just just smash him down because he's a Republican. That's the way they play the game over there. So I just want to know. This is how things are done in the media environment that we're currently in. And that's why people ask me, who, would you ever go back

to CNN? Yeah? I would. I would totally go back and work for CNN when Jeff Zucker doesn't run it and the place is no longer crazy. There we go when it actually tries to be doesn't have to be conservative, it just can't be insane, and to have to put a there's I have a hard pass on working at crazy CNN. It's always been liberal, but they used to have a little bit more sense of decorum and decency about how they treated conservatives. Now the places just turned

into a into a cesspool. It's grotesque. But anyway, I feel bad for I feel bad for Davie just because he's working there right now. I'm sure I'll change at some point. Eventually people will realize. I mean, maybe the CNN audience will realize that they're just being fed propaganda under the guise of journalism, which is even worse. The inspiration of leaders who are going to put people first is so important, and that's going to make people vote.

Another reason why people are going to vote because Donald Trump is manipulate, manipulating the White House and has aligned himself with Ices and Saudi Arabia. I take I have to say that that is not true. But the most important thing that we can do today is vote for civility. Vote for a president who's night bring aligned himself with the most dangerous foreign nations that are the reason why

we are had nine to eleven. He's almost like a Bond villain who also tells you his whole master plan before he tries to kill you, and he just says it out loud and as you say this is going to be He's a recruiting sergeant for ISIS, Chris. In so many ways. Tony mentioned the whole oil argument, which has obviously been a narrative for a long time. He also is someone who is an islamophobe, which obviously helps groups like ISIS recruit disillusion angry young men from across

the world, not just from across the Middle East. He's featured, He's been featured in ISIS recruiting videos in his Muslim band has definitely been a recruiting ad for ISIS. So in many ways he helps quote unquote the enemy. The same week I just want to know, you know, we just had that Oh they're they're all, they're all trashing,

you know, Duffy. The same week that the President the United States presides over the operation to take out Abubakar bah Daddy, you got people going on TV including that was the first lady. There was the Arizona Democratic Party chairman Rotalini saying Trump is aligned with the Islamic State. Do you think that there'll be any somber monologue over at CNN or MSNBC about how that's such a slander.

Trump has aligned himself with ISIS. Yeah, that's right, the president United States, this is a Democratic Party official, folks, is an ally of the group that has killed tens of thousands, rapes, mutilates, murders. That's a fair thing to say, right, That's a normal rational thing to say about. So these

people are out of their minds. And then some guy from the Intercept, which is really just doing the bidding of hostile for an intelligence services all the time by trying to take down different elements of United States government. The the and dis guy from the Intercept called him

a recruiting sergeant for ISIS. And now I know that was a rhetorical flourish, but even still, Yeah, Trump, Trump the one who escalated the air campagn killing more ISIS guys than his predecessor, going after ISIS harder, willing to take the political risk by the way that Obama was not of civilian casualties of an escalated air campaign that could have gone awry, Trump was willing to deal with that ISIS gets eradicated, Abu bakh l Blah Daddy is dead.

And you get people going on TV saying that Trump is in an ISIS recruiter, where Democratic Party official media person anyone. Is that unfair if we're gonna if we're supposed to be shocked and appalled that any criticism of Bill Taylor or vinman two people who both disagree with the president on Ukraine policy. Fine, they're allowed to do that, by the way, I just am allowed to not care. But why is it that calling the commander in chief? Well, we know they call him a traitor, a liar, a

a rapist, a crazy person, a moron. I mean, there's nothing that they haven't said about Trump yet that they thought would be damaging. They hold back in no way whatsoever. So what we are supposed to continue to play the left game here? If you can't criticize whoever they put forward to be the anti Trump voice of the moment, you can't criticize. If you criticize them, you're a bad person. I'm talking about criticizing even the ideas. By the way, I have no criticism of Taylor, of Vin Menes people.

I don't know them, and I don't criticize their service to the country. I don't criticize their aspirations in their roles or you know, what they're trying to do day to day. I just disagree with what they've done in this instance. But this is a very dishonest way of shutting down debate and discussion by saying, if you, in this case don't like what someone is saying, and that person has done something that's honorable, or they've been a victim of something, or this is how this is how

the left argues on gun control. Oh, let's put kids from the school where there was the mass shooting out there to tell the whole country what the Second Amendment really means. And if you disagree with them, you don't care about dead kids. Oh, let's put Greta Thunberg out there, and then if you if you disagree with Greta Thunberg, a sixteen year old, he's telling us about how to rearrange trillions of dollars of wealth based on a vastly

complicated scientific theory that nobody can really prove. Oh, you're tear your child back. I was called the child basher, and I will tell you I have bashed zero children. I did not bash any kid. That was a lie. There are new stories written about this. Oh, these guys, right wing pundit child basher. Those people are morons. And now we had we had the same thing with Komey.

Who thinks that Komy is beyond reproach? Now nobody. Oh, we were told that though as soon as Trump fired him, people were people were crying in the hallways of the FB. Oh my gosh, James Kobe's not the FBI director anymore. I won't shut up to my job, like this is what we're being told. I remember reading the news stories. I meanwhile, every person, as I've told you that I know who worked with, call me. It's like, yeah, that guy is a self righteous, sanctimonious weirdo. Sank Tokomi is

not cool. No Muller the same thing. If you didn't like the Mueller investigation, you were spitting on his service in Vietnam as a marine. That's that's what was being pushed out there by the allies of this thing. You see, we can we can never have a fair and open discussion about what is that issue. There's always this effort to silence, There's always this effort to shut down opposing

voices by using dishonest, unfair tactics. That's what we have here once again, and this is now Unfortunately, this is the standard operating procedure for the left. This is not a one off. It doesn't just happen occasionally. It's not once in a while. They put they like to put forward somebody who either has a resume that you are not, you know, a resume that is unassailable, or has a victims status that if you challenge them on an issue of policy or an issue of fact, you are negating

their victims status, and therefore you're a bad person. You're victimizing them all over again. You're a bad person. Media never holds itself to account for this, and it's on yet another reason why one of my favorite things about President Trump is that he just doesn't cave on this stuff. He doesn't bend the knee. He doesn't say, oh yeah, you're right, I can't say anything about this person. I'm not allowed to criticize this person. No, Trump will continue

his critiques. He'll continue fighting back against those who are, first of all many cases, attacking him personally, but even not attacking him personally, they're opposing his policies. We all know what it's like to have Republican leadership that just takes it, just takes it, you know, Oh yeah, I don't want to I don't want to be nasty in response.

So I'm just going to be quiet about this. I think that one of the promises of the Trump administration, an implicit promise of the Trump administration, is that leadership on the right would no longer sit around and say, yeah, sure, whatever whatever you guys want to do to us, We'll just accept that as the new, as the new status quo, or as the continuation, rather of the status quo, saying that's not how things should go. It's not how things

would go. This vinmint thing, by the way, will be dropped this week because next week will be another witness, and then we got that another witness, and then we get that another witness. They're really just hoping to make us say, fine, impeach him, just make this stop, anything to make this stop. It's just so boring, it's so worthless. But how do we get around it? Unfortunately, the only way to get around it is to get through it, to fight through it. Trump knows that, I'm just not

always sure that many conservatives do. These days. I start to worry about where the right really is on all of this. What makes a good manager? What makes a good boss? You know? The number one reason, at least when I used to pay attention to these things, but I used to always see this. The number one reason that people leave their job is that they're across all industries, no matter what you're doing, no matter where you are.

The number one reason people say, you know what, I just can't do this anymore is they cannot stand their first line manager, essentially the boss that is responsible for them, not the CEO boss, right, the boss that they they're supervisor,

They're immediate supervisor. And it makes sense. I remember I worked once in the government and there was someone who thought that the best way to get us to do things was to just walk around the office and I mean physically literally poke people from behind, like poke them in the back of the shoulders, say hey, what are you what are you doing? Just all a constant. It was the most anxiety producer thing you could imagine in an office environment. I mean it was, hey, hey, what

are you doing? And you look at the person that'd say, my job. I think I'm working on a proposal or a project or something. Oh. It turns out that people are starting to look at this more because management culture, I think does need quite a bit of quite a bit of a look especially in large organizations, whether it's very hierarchical. The Wall Street Journal had a great, a great piece on this today. Bosses get out of the way.

And the main thing is how many bosses don't understand that what they are doing is at best meaningless and perhaps counterproductive, but they think they're doing a great job. How many how many of you know exactly what I'm talking about. I can tell you that one of the bosses that I have had in media at a previous company that I no longer work for, really thought that just holding meetings was in and of itself a worthwhile endeavor.

That you know, if you're serious about what you're doing, you got to hold a meeting, even if we all sat there and looked at each other and thought, what is going on here? Why are we having this meetings? At this meeting? And it turns out that the reason

this is getting people to pay more attention. The reason people are paying more attention this is that they're doing a lot of research that finds out that people are productive when the boss just leaves them alone, because your work product is what will be judged right, Your ability to do the job is what matters. But bosses that hover I even learned a new term from this from this piece today, and I just love it because I've like, I've had good Bassett passes. I'd like to go bass fishing. No,

I've had good bosses, and I've had terrible bosses. I've had terrible bosses, and I can tell you that it does make a real difference management by walking around. I'd never heard that term before, but it's you know what, you those of you who have been in an office environment know that the boss who thinks that they just got to just be around, gotta hover, got I just make people anxious. That's that's a contribution. Oh, they're helping people.

They're because you know, they're they're there in case there's a question, but also they're making sure that work is getting done. I can assure you that most of us figure out that the MBWA situation management by walking around the best way to deal with it is just to always make sure that you have one screen open that's work and one screen open that is your Amazon shopping list, and just pay attention to where that boss is. No one's like, oh, the bosses walking around, better actually do

my job now that I wasn't doing before. If anything, I think resented resent that the term that we used to use when I was in government all the time, and it really does convey the irritation from the whole thing was micro management. Micro mic are just getting into that what do you do? What do you do? Where are you doing? Where's let's have a meeting, Let's have another meeting, Let's have a horrible, horrible stuff. In fact, one of the reasons I think I left government work.

There are several of them, but one of the reasons was the only way to really rise was to be in charge of other people and their work product, to be a manager. I didn't want to do that. I wanted to be in charge of what I was doing, judged by my ability to produce, to make things, and you know now here I am in the media business as a content person, which is what I wanted to do, But I wanted to be a make stuff guy, not

a make sure other people are making stuff guy. Now, there is such a thing as fantastic leadership and management and a corporate culture. I get that. There's a reason really good CEOs make a lot of money. There's a reason that people almost worship, you know, Steve Jobs, even though from what I understand. He wasn't a particularly nice guy a lot of the time. But bosses the old culture of the boss that walks around and holds meetings bosses or a problem. Oh but management by walking around?

Here's what it says. Even leaders who use the much ballyhooed management practice of walking around, who devote big chunks of time to observing frontline work and asking employees to identify problems and solutions, may do more harm than good. You know this guy wrote this piece writes about my Stanford colleague Katherine Segovia and I have recruited our students to help new managers get out of their employees way.

We arrange for student teams to attend meetings led by each boss and record the percentage of time that each leader talked, as well as counting the number of statements each leader made versus the number of questions that he or she asked. One manager, for example, was surprised to learned that he talked almost the entire time during a fifteen minute meeting and ask only one question, and that his team viewed this standing meeting as a complete waste

of time. This information, along with some coaching from our students helped this new boss learn and ask more questions as people appreciated. Yeah, a lot of unnecessary meetings going on in American corporate culture. A lot of focus on process over outcomes. Outcomes are what matters. Right. Outcomes is what brings dollars in, what sends dollars. Out Outcome is what the focus should always be in a corporate environment.

And I just think that I wish that there had been better management instruction, particularly, I'll be the most of the government managers I dealt with were almost buffoonish in their incompetence, most of them, not all of them, But I remember I worked in the federal government as well as local government here in New York City for the NYPD. My NYPD second line manager was a pretty good guy. My first line manager was a nightmare, a micromanaging, poke

you in the shoulder, what are you doing? Why isn't this finished? Where is this thing? Nightmare? And I'm somebody who just as a general, I'm just not a bend of the knee kind of guy. I just don't like it when somebody is being unreasonable and trying to make my life more difficult. It has to be, And so I tend to be the kind of person who, in that corporate environment would then find ways to do things my way and extend a particular digit of my left

or right hand in the general direction of management. I was not a good person at dealing with that, with that micromanaging culture, and that then brings me in another part of this piece, the Wall Street, which I just think is great. I'm trying. I'm let me tell you who the authors were, just to give them credit for this. Bosses, get out of your employees way. As the piece Robert Sutton, there's the one who wrote it. He writes about flexing

the hierarchy. Here's another one. Another hallmark of skilled leaders that they understand that they're people and work they do so well that they are masters of flexing the hierarchy

to fit the situation. Lendrid Greer, a management professor at the University of Michigan, finds that the best leaders don't hesitate to exert top down control when quick decisions and immediate actions are essential, and they switch gears and flatten hierarchy when they need to solicit everyone's opinion, develop employee buy in, and make it safe to discuss and comfortable truths,

criticize others, and generate half baked and controversial solutions. I can tell you that very I dealt with a one of the more senior managers they dealt with down in DC working on the Hill TV project, had a habit, and there were several of them, so I'm not named name here, but had had a habit of We're just going to do it because I say we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it this way because I say we're

going to do it this way. And his approach was such that even on minor issues where it was really a judgment call, that it wasn't important and there's no right answer but to do the because I say so routine when you're not dealing with a toddler, when you're in an office of adults, in fact, in this case, adults who kind of knew a lot more than this person about what was going on. That does not do good things for outcomes or for morale, which is another

part of this too. Right management is about what the end product is, or whatever the company is, whatever the service is they're providing, of course, but it's also about how do people feel in that office environment and I've seen I've seen it where it's spree to corps is high. And when a spree to core is high, people don't

have to stay they have to. They don't be told to stay late, they don't have to be told to get things done on time or to show up on time, or they do it because they're proud of what's going on. I mean, I'll tell you this. In my Rock Office of the CIA, we had we had a spree of corps in that office, man, I mean, we were we were focused, We had good management, people cared about what

they were doing. Um, there was a really healthy sense of competition for who was doing the most to help on the policy side, on the on the you know, on the supporting the warfighter side, whatever it may be. And that just reflected all the way down. We wore you know, we we dressed up in the sense we wore suits even though we didn't have to, because like we wore suits because we were the we're a war office, and damn it, it it was serious stuff, you know we

And that was just the culture of that office. And I, like I said, I went to the NYPD, it was a very very different culture because I was dealing on the civilian side there, but flexing the hierarchy is also

so important. Don't do the because I said so unless you're the lack of an immediate decision is going to have real ramifications, you know, unless the lack of an IMMO immediate change in direction for the company is going to you know, allow people to be heard, and don't just shut things down or talk over them because you can. Another another big mistake that I think a lot of managers run into is they just get lazy with it,

like all right, all right, like we're done. When I say we're done, I don't care what other people say. Managing people is one of the most important skills you're going to have in any work environment. And really life is all about managing people. Your personal life, your professional life. How do you deal with other human beings? Do you bring out better things in them? Do they feel comfortable around you? Do they trust you or not? It's true

of managers, true of family members, true of everybody. You know, how are you dealing with those around you? So don't do management by walking around. Don't just sort of, you know, poke people on the shoulder and say what are you doing? What are you doing? Drive them crazy, drove me crazy. Be a good boss. You need the money and to get the money we need to stop. Because Jonathan's got a vision which I agree with. But in order to pay for that, we need the money and to get

the money in we need to stop. Brexcent or two percent of GDP isn't going to make a difference. Let Maria speak, Man's climate change is You know, if you are describing Jeremy Corbyn as business as usual, then you haven't been reading the newspapers or watching the television. He was green before the Greens existed. He rode a bike. He's gotten a lootman. He will do both. He will

bring social justice and a green revolution. So have the vision on the Greens, but vote Labor if you really wanted to have got to be more than a lootman. And lets us look at the facts. In twenty seventeen, man splaining, and Adam Hans asked me to respond, and if you continue to mansplain, I'll have to complain. Please don't resort to sexism when we're trying to have a conversation. Do you stop man splaining? I've asked you three times, Oh can you stop man splaining? Please? Could you stop

the man splaining poor guys like nanny? That was very a TV interview. I don't even care whether they're talking about Brexit, I think, or core a bit or who cares British politics whatever. It's not something I really care very much about. I don't care at all. Really, I care only as much as I need to care so that I can inform you all with the facts. Right. But she's like, stop man splaining. What you do? Will

you man splaining again? For what's that all about? Just I want to play well, just because I thought it was so funny. This reminds me of when the former governor of Michigan, Grand Holme, looked at me on the Bill Marshaw and went kids in cages, kids in cages? Out of nowhere, Like, lady, I didn't put any kids in cages. Like what do you even We're not even talking about that. She's like, Mic, drop kids in cages here.

We had another version of just say something, say some stupid slogan to somebody you're having a political debate with, and then hope that no one calls you out of it. Stop stop your man splaining. I want to know, is it is it? Man? Splaining just for a man to try to explain something now. And also it's worth noting that the Brits have a similar language now about some of these political issues like social justice. Jeremy Corbyn was

green before there was green. He was riding his bicycle making sure that the Coeo two that was you know, coming out there. It's like it's you know, it's not like the sea. It's not like the methane coming out of cowbums. You know what I mean? Uh, you know they have the same stuff going on over there that we do. You've got to stop the cow bum farts. You've got to stop it. It's important. It's gonna save

the planet. All of a sudden, I've started to switch over and all the snow accent from what's that Forgetting Sarah Marshall. That's He's great. I was going to listen to your tape, but I decided to just go on living my life. He's the best part of that movie. In many ways. I did not like Get him to the Greek at all, though the Falling movie did not

think that was good. You like get him. I don't even know if we're allowed we're gonna allow you to weigh in anymore on anything you like that movie that I love, Get Him to the Greek. Oh my god, it was fantastic. I love Jonah Hill. I don't even I don't even know what to say. Now. A lot of people like Forgetting Sarah Cors. Okay, well, there we can agree on that. It's a very good movie. But while I just want to know why it's producing Mark

man splaining. He's just sitting there man splaining away, and I'm like, but I'm trying to do a radio show her producer, Mark, why can't you stop man splaining? I have to man explain to you that Get Him to the Greek was a good movie. Apparently, I'm wondering who the audience is with on this one. Light it up in those comments. Let us so Get in the Greek. I thought it was depressing. It's like sad at the end. Does he have like a cheats on his wife or something?

It's bad he married real life with Russell Brand and Katie Perry married in real life. They were oh they will yeah, no, no, I'm in Jonah Hill. Isn't he like cheating on his wife or something in the thing. I'm not sure. I forget now, oh, spoilers. I am sorry about the Joker spoiler that I didn't know. Somebody wrote it in I didn't know any better, so we had a little bit of a Joker spoiler going on there.

It is what it is, um, But anyway, man's plaining is a thing now, man spreading, which I try to avoid doing on the subway. Are you familiar with man spreading? You sit down on the subway? Yeah, of course, no, I never do. You don't sit on the subway. What do you like a germ, germaphol or something. Yeah, but I don't think though. I don't think the cold virus is gonna get like, you know, through your pants, into your into your thing. I'm also lonely on the subway

for like four stops, so you're one of those. Yeah, yeah, that's nice. I have kind of a long subway ride every day. Oh yeah, ten whole minutes. Your whole commune is ten minutes. Boo hoo, look at this. Yeah, I got it. You know, I'm a man of the people. I ride the subway. What can I tell your commune is ten minutes? Here? You still show up late? I reas don't produce the mark the show begins when the host arrives. He's like, no, technically, we have studio time.

I don't know. I don't know about this studio time thing that we're supposed to be discussing. But yeah, yes, there are clocks and there is a time we have to do the show. But I think the show happens when Buck starts talking to the team. All right, So we've been talking about the deep state efforts to subvert this president for a long time, but there is a lot more information that we need to get and there's more analysis that we need to know, especially as we're

going into an election year. There's a fantastic new book out from investigative journalist and author Lee Smith, The Plot Against the President, The true story of how Congressman Devin un has uncovered the biggest political scandal in US history. Lee joins us Now, Lee, thanks so much, Ben It congrats. I see the President tweeted about how great your book is. Yes, it was very exciting, the President tweeted about the book. It's been a number one bestseller on Amazon, the number

one and number one on Barnes and Nobles. So it's very very exciting, and it's no it's testament to everyone understands the historic importance of the world that Congressman Nunez and his team did investigating the FBI investigator. Now, we've had a lot of news coverage. I've talked to people. I can't even I couldn't even begin to count the hours in the days we've spent on this Russia collusion hoax, and some good books written about it. My friend Dan Bongino as a book about it. I mean, what are

you focusing on in the plot against the president? And what do people need to know that they may not already know right well, I wanted to tell I wanted to tell the story, explain what happened through the perspective of Congressman Nunez and his team, some of them, some of their names that haven't really been reported that much before, like one of his leading investigators, a gentleman named kesh

Yet Petel, who's a very fascinating character. And as the Congressman, Congressman said and I recorded in the book, without cash, they wouldn't be able to they would not have been able to do all the things they got done. And it's remarkable what I found reporting the book with them speaking extensively with the Congressman, with mister Petel, with mister

Jack Langer, who's Congressman nun as his communications director. These guys were standing in the middle of Mayhem and they were actually the only thing for a while between between between Trump and impeachment. They were the ones who they were the only ones who are running an offense. This was while Jess Sessions was the Attorney General and he

had recused himself. So had Congressman Nunez and his guys not found stuff, not requested documents, not asked for different things, not made their case on TV, we might be in a very different situation right now where where the where these deep state operatives might have actually taken down the president. What kind of things did they find out, you know, in that you said they were able to go on offense and not just allow the Democrat anti Trump coup to play out. What were some of the big eureka

moments that they had. Well, the first thing that they found I was at the Clinton campaign had paid for the dossier. That was the first big thing they found out. Another thing that they found out, and another thing they found out was how assistant Deputy Attorney General Bruce Orr, who had no business participating in this investigation, was actually not only a part of the investigation the FBI's investigation, he was also former British spy Christopher Steele's back channel

to the FBI. After Steele had been fired by the Bureau for speaking to the press. Bruce Or, whose wife Nelly worked for Fusion GPS, was the back channel to the FBI. So they found that they also got they were also the ones and that was the Inspector General who located the texts between FBI agent Peter Struck and his girlfriend FBI lawyer Lisa Page. There was the Inspector General who found that, and then the Special Counsel Robert

Muller reassigned Struck. But it was Noonez and his guys who found out what had been going on, and they requested, they demanded these documents, these texts, and which were eventually, after many long and arduous fights, delivered delivered to the Hill. So I mean, they really when you look at what we know about the Russia investigations, the abuses and likely crimes committed during the FBI's investigation of Donald Trump, that

was they who found it. The most important thing of course they found was the fact that the Clinton campaign's opposition research was the centerpiece and the FBI's portfolio of evidence to obtain a warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, which of course opened up the communications for the entire Trump team. Basically, one of the important cases that my book makes is that what happened here is we often forget who was the primary beneficiary of

the FBI spying on the Trump campaign. They weren't just spying to amuse themselves and to torture Trump and as advisors. The primary beneficiary of the FBI's work, the FBI's operation anti Trump operation was the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now you mentioned some of the abuses and possible illegality. What are the biggest abuses that you get into in the book that we know happened, and what are some of the ones that you think, you know, the evidence points toward happened,

but we need to find out more about. Yeah, one of the things we need to find out more about, and I cite certain documents in my book that I acquired, I think one of the things we need to find out is, well, the case I make is that Christopher Steele did not write where he was certainly anything but the primary author of the dossier named after him. One of the things that one of the things that I found is they were actually doing opposition research investigating the

Trump team's possible ties to organized crime. I have a document dated May twentieth, twenty sixteen, and that shows that's what they were doing, Fusion GPS investigating the Trump teams ties to organized crime. Within a month when they say they bring on Christopher Steele, the first Steel report that is written is June twentieth. At that point, there's a profound transformation. It goes from an opposition research regarding Trump's ties to alleged tized organized crime to Trump's alleged ties

to a foreign power. This lays the groundwork for a counter intelligence investigation. So one of the questions that we need to ask is not when the FBI got the dossier, not when they started looking. As you know, Buck, there's a lot of controversy whether they got it in July or whether they got in September as they say. For the cover story. The question is whether or not the FBI wrote the dossier or directed the dossier said that it would help them obtain a surveillance warrant, a spy

warrant on Carter page. That's an enormous question that comes out of it. Ah, So you think that there's the possibility that you know, because what we've been led to believe, at least to this point, is that the dossier was taken in good faith by the FBI and then given to the fiser Chord. What you're saying is, what if

the FBI was going back through Christopher Steele. We already established Bruce Ordo Jay talking to Steele and saying get this, get this, and an active participant in that dossier process, and then turned around and acted like it was just this external intelligence source that they had in order to get FISE warrants. Is that am I on target the evidence? And my book points to that. That's certainly question that we need to have, that we need to have very

solid answers about. But again, if you if you I mean Fusion GPS, the researcher Melior made these claims they were doing opposition research into Trump's ties to organized crime. That Steel Dassier has nothing to do with Russian organized crime, that has to do with the Trump teams ties alleged the Trump teams alleged tie to a foreign power. That's a counter that's a counter intelligence matter. So these are

two very different things. And the idea, someone showed them how to do it, showed them what they needed to write, what they needed to claim in order to push toward a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to monitor the communications of Trump advisor Carter Page. This is an enormous issue, and this is one of the This is one of

the main takeaways from from my book. Now we're speaking to Lee Smith, author of The Plot Against the President, the true story of how Congressman Devenue has uncovered the biggest political scandal in US history. Lee, Where you know, the plot is not over yet, right this, this story has not ended yet. Where do you see this going and what else do you want to focus on and

find out about? Right Well, I mean, when you look at what the dossier is and what we've been going through for three years and what we see right now, would would the House Democrats pushing for impeachment? I mean, I mean, it's it's a terrible thing that happened. The Clinton campaign injected a conspiracy theory into the American public sphere, it's almost as though it's almost as though the Clinton's Hillary Clinton, cursed America because they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

She decided she would inject the conspiracy theory and the eat it there. And now at the very least our elite have not mad. You can't help but turn on CNN or read the pages of the Washington Post or Sea House Democrats like a bizarre like a bizarre cult, like a bunch of ascurantists going on. First it's Trump in Russia, and now it's Trump in Ukraine. But for Nancy Pelosi or the High Priestess Nancy Pelosi, it's the same thing. All reads, all roads leads of Vladimir Putin?

It's madness. Do I think Trump will get impeached? This is what I hear from much more, much more informed sources. The realistic damage, however, done by the dossier and done by the Russia operation is not only to American institutions like the FBI, the dj likely, the CIA, and the US press, but it's to America as a whole, the public sphere, the way we speak with each other, the way we conduct our politics, the way we live next to each other and get along with each other. This

thing has driven the country mad. My book is an effort to get to the bottom of what happened, to try to clarify some points so that someday and the hope, the lunacy that was kicked off by the FBI's Russia investigation will come to an end and we can go back to normal politics, have our debates, our partisan debates between Republican and Democrat. We can do our regular politics. That's not where we are as a country right now.

As much as President Trump is doing and as much as he's succeeded, we are not in a healthy place right now. The book is the plot against the president. Author at Lee Smith lead, great workman, congrats to you so far. Thank you, Buck, thanks very thanks very kindly, and please come back and tell us when you get more. All right, I look forward to it. Thanks again for

writing me on to talk all right. Take care. Oh and we are back here in the Freedom Hunt with the man himself, my fellow, the first host, mister Jess Kelly, joins in on this action now. Jesse Kelly, everybody, Thanks Jesse. What's going on? I prefer to call myself the legend Buck, but I mean if you whatever the man works, I guess I think we could do that. I think we can start just refer to as the legend Jesse Kelly. That would that would work. What's what's on the Jesse

Kelly Rado right now? I mean, I know you got your show coming up. What are you gonna be talking about? What's what's top of mind? Well, we're gonna go over this Vindmin thing today and just exactly what that means. It trives me crazy when they do this, Buck, and I know you've seen this before. I know you've actually

personally experienced this before. Is when they take anybody a veteran, a child, or anybody who's carrying their approved message and then all of a sudden act like they actually care about that person's thing. You know what I mean, Nobody, nobody who praised Vinemin yesterday gave a crap about Vindmon or his rank or his purple heart or anything. You had the approved message. So now all of a stuff, what you can't criticize Zoom he's a veteran. That's funny.

The Left never obeys those rules for me. They never obeyed those rules for you. I wonder why. Yeah, I mean, I look, I was when. I remember when I was in the CIA, the left would crash the intelligence community all the time. I mean, when the Bush administration was in charge, intel community would just get the worst and the worst from all the major media outlets. But in the era of Trump, when there are some intel people that obviously hate trumpets, how dare you? These aren't bureaucrats,

these are honorable public servants, sir. That's so classic. I love it. It's so true and scared, and I mean, they do this all the time. This is just example number one thousand. I but you remember it was just a few weeks ago we were all going to die in twelve years because a sixteen year old girl said we were. And just because she wants to destroy the country's economy in your way of life, that doesn't mean you have the right to criticize her. She's just a charlad.

You get called a child basher because I got called in media publications a child basher. I'd't even criticize her. I criticized the stupid adults who listened to her. Oh yeah, oh yeah. They called me every name in the book, and I did the same thing, you, dude, I didn't criticize her just because she's the sixteen year old girl. I didn't listen to sixteen year old girls when I was sixteen, let alone now. But it's just all the people acting like she's some kind of Nobel Peace Prize winner.

So I have to go back across the Atlantic. There were there were professional journalists who were expressing their disappointment that I think it was the I forget it was the president. The Prime Minister of Era Trea got it for helping to end the conflict between Era Trade Ethiopia or something like that, or maybe it was the president of Ethiopia. I forget one of those two countries. They've been in confid long time. Point big. That's real stuff. But that individual got the of a peace prize and

not sixteen year old Thunberg. And there were journalists who at least theoretically make a living from knowing about things, who were like, what an injustice? Yes, yes, well, I mean we can all put that to bed now, right though, buck. I mean that that concept that that journalists make a living by knowing things. Journalists today make a living by creating, completely manufacturing outrage from thin air. And that's that's what they do when you wake up that morning. You work

for this jerkwater publication. Okay, what anti truck piece are you writing today? Oh well, there's nothing in the news. I better just invent something. And then the next guy write does something about the same thing, and on and on it goes. And that's why we've had three years of fake crap. Now, Jesse, if I had to, if I had to get an answer from you on this, which is worse MSNBC or CNN, you know what, you know what's worse, and it's actually neither of their fault.

I would say CNN is worse, but only because of this book. There was a time in this country. Now, I would argue with we've never been there with these major networks. There was a time in this country where CNN was thought of to be the middle of the road. You know, you had fives who stopped me right. You have MSNBC, who's always thought to be left, and neither of those companies have really made any apologies for that.

But then you know CNN is the one down the middle, and so that's what's in every airport and everything else. CNN is way left of MSNBC anymore. And I mean way left there. They're slight in digital form. Yeah, I think that they've turned into a hate Trump network specifically. I think it's personal from Jeff Zucker on down. I think the videos. I think that the mandate from Zucker is We're we're gonna We're gonna stop Trump. We're gonna

end the Trump presidency. There's no question about it. I mean, they don't realize how much they actually aid the Trump presidency. If they could, if they could set aside that hate for a minute and actually watch half these compilation videos that Trump puts out online that everybody loves in their chair and in his base loves. They contain segments from CNN. They're not they're not hurting Trump, they're writing his campaign

material for it. Thin It's true. Where can folks go to watch and see Jesse Kelly, Oh, that's right, the same place they can see the first which is what I'm doing too, which is channel two forty eight on Pluto TV. Jesse. One last question we've got about a middle Left. Is the first the single greatest new platform in conservative media and perhaps of all time. It's just early stage. I think the answer is yes, Well, there's no question. I mean it's you and I on there. Buck.

Of course, it's the greatest of all time. It's not the greatest new it's the greatest now and it'll be the greatest for the until the end of time. Fact check. One hundred percent pure awesome. You're the Buck Saccent Show, The Jesse Kelly Show. There is no fat on this stake. It is all just deliciousness. Good my brother, all right, Jesse, thanks so much. Man. Guys, check out Jesse Kelly on the first jump to forty eight's where some of you

are watching this now. Also, if you're listening on a radio down KPRC Houston, I think he's on seven Eastern. So yeah, I mean, Jesse Kelly. We like to just get a Jesse Jesse, you know, pop by stop in whatever whatever we can. Don't tell him. I said this, he's one of the most talented guys in the game these days. So but don't his ego is big enough, trust me. Let's talk about some crazy Democrat ideas, shall we.

We didn't get to any of that today. I'm always discussing policy here on the show, and I feel like today we skipped past policy. What is the worst idea that a Democrat has put forward in the last twenty four hours, or what is the most buffoonish policy mistake that they have made. That's usually a tough question. It's a lot of entrance into that race. There's a lot of different directions you could go. And by the way,

is this weekend the marathon here in New York? It is, right anyway, I might I might go check that out. It's fun to be the guy who I was gonna talk policy and I'm talking about the marathon. But it's fun to go stand by the finish line or like about a mile from the finish line. Yeah, it is

this weekend. Yes, what I thought, stand by a mouth from the finish line, because people sometimes will wear their name on their shirt and then you can just be like, that's right, dude, keep it, run it, keep it going. You just yell at everybody else. You just cheer people on. It's a lot of fun, especially when you see the guys who are really like it looks like guys en galis, look like there might there might fall over at any moment. You're like, come on, deep, deep, you don't even know

these people. You just it's great. It's great energy. I'll love it. And then there's the amazing and also slightly depressing feat of watching the truly elite runners who are on their twenty fifth mile, or if you want to watch the finish line and they're running twenty six miles faster than you or anyone you know could run one mile, or in fact that most people could run a hundred yards. Yeah, that's something. You see those guys in Galus just flying

past you. It's pretty amazing. All right, back to policy. I just got exciting. Remember the marathon was this weekend. We have Oh, here we go? How do you pay? Mayor Pete? He's supposed to be the serious, sober minded one, right, He's not one of these crazy radicals. He's a Rhodes scholar,

he was in the military. How crazy could he possibly be? Well, as I discussed with you yesterday, a non partisan analysis of Medicare for All makes it clear that they simply don't have the money to pay for Medicare for all, and the only ways to pay for it would involve massive tax increases, I mean, mind blowing tax increases on everybody, not just on the rich. Then rich don't have enough money to pay for this, So how does mayor peate

deal with that reality. Well, he says that, oh, let's let the mayor have his say seventeen please, So the vast majority the costs of my plan can be covered by rolling back these unnecessary Trump corporate tax cuts that went mainly to the wealthy. That'll cover all but about one hundred billion dollars of our plan. You might say one hundred billion dollars sounds like a lot, and you're right, but we have a plan to cover that. Part two,

that's where our prescription drug plan comes in. So I got a plan to make sure that prescription drugs become more affordable in this country. A big part of that is allowing the federal government and Medicare to negotiate drug prices. And independent estimates of these kinds of policies suggest that we should be able to raise probably two or three hundred billion actually in savings to the treasury by moving

in that direction over the next decade. So we're talking about something that not only makes a sense for American consumers that we have a savings individually, but also saves money for the taxpayer as a whole. And some of those savings can be applied to carry the part of the cost of Medicare for all. Who this is just unserious. I mean, there's just no way that this is true.

None of this, none of this can work Medicare for all if you're gonna if you're going to take the existing Medicare program, which is not even as rich in benefits and on all the rest of it as what Bernie Sanders, for example, and Elizabeth Warrener suggesting we adopt. But you're gonna save. Now, it's not just we're gonna pay for it, We're going to save the treasury money.

Come on, folks, at what point is it just incumbent upon voters to not be dumb government's They're going to give a massive expansion of this single part of the federal budget that is the most problematic for spending this to oblivion. Medicare. That's the single that's the one thing that we cannot continue at our current rate without major financial consequences, negative consequences in the future. We're gonna take that one thing, We're gonna make it much bigger, and

we're gonna save money. Keep saying it. This is the This is the jelly donuts that are free that you can eat as much as you want, You'll never run out and we'll never make you fat. Do those jelly donuts exist? Everybody? If I told you that I could give you a dozen jelly donuts? By the way, do we producer mark? Are we? Are we jelly donut in this place? Are we? Are we French Cruller? Are we Boston Cream? What is? In fact? I'm a chocolate guy.

Just chocolate straight through. Yeah, I'm a chocolate glaze. Maybe a little chocolate cream on top, maybe a chocolate stuffed respect acceptable answers, specifically crispy cream, chocolate cake. The best donut you can get? Is it from Dunkin Donuts? Or is it, in fact from that place in Canada that I can't remember what it's called, Tim Hortons. Yeah, I've never had a Tim Hortons. Because you're an American? Yeah, because he loves America. Okay. But so the jelly donuts

that you're eating, guess what, There are calories. They cost money, and they're not endless the and you and you know that without me having to explain that to you. It's like if I presented you with my endless jelly donuts that cost you nothing and that won't make you fat, you'd say, buck, Come on, that is the intellectual equivalent of what it's going on here with Medicare for All.

You're gonna have better care. Everyone's gonna have care, no shortages, no rationing, and it's gonna save the government money and it's gonna save you money. Who believes this? Who? Who? Who? What? What? Archimedes sword in the stone? Uh? This is just I'm sorry, man, it's not gonna this dog just won't hunt. I'd just like to say that dog just won't hunt. Say it just like that too. Oh And in case that wasn't enough for you to have to accept. But already that's

that's whoa. That's way beyond what I think is reasonable or rational. What about providing health insurance to illegal immigrant Remember we've been told this stuff that's not true about Medicare for all, But what about adding illegal aliens into the Medicare for All situations? So now illegal by those of you that have Medicare. You've been paying your whole life. You know, it's just promise the government made to you, taking your money, taking money from your paychecks all the time.

They're going to provide medicare for you later now, illegal aliens is just gonna get They're just gonna get that. Oh oh, I'm sorry, illegal aliens that haven't been paying into that and haven't been filing taxes. They're not going to get Medicare for All from Democrats. I don't think so. Play eighteen please. In our vision, nobody is uninsured. We make sure that you can't fall through the cracks. We'll even retroactively enroll people onto this Medicare for All who

want a plan if they had been without insurance. The idea for me is the most it's important thing is making sure you get insured. It's not making sure that the government's doing the insuring. I think that the public option can can do a better job. But the most important thing is that one way or the other, you get coverage, and in our plan, everybody does. They're not even talking about insurance. That's a miss Medicare for All misnomer, not an accurate description of what is happening, what is

going on. But health insurance is not what we're discussing here. This is just health. This is subsidized healthcare. This is the government with a taxpayer funded monopoly on the decision making about healthcare for every individual of the three hundred and twenty million individuals in the United States. That's what this is. It's not no insurance, there's no there's no risk pool, there's no you know, you're you're old, you're young, you're this, you're that, you're you know, you pay for this,

you get this. No, it's just everyone get everyone's gonna get the SAME's gonna get whatever the government they get. And that's going to include legal aliens. I would want to ask mayor Pete, what about a legal alien who arrived yesterday would have been a legal alien who shows up next week. We still have problems at the border

right now, we still have a legal crossings happening. Ye're gonna get So now America is giving away not just free healthcare, but the same level of healthcare, insurance, healthcare, rather of two people that break our law and come here from anywhereund the world. This is crazy. This would have been understood to be crazy by the Democratic Party even as recently as let's say, five or ten years ago.

And yet you'll see no drop in support among Democrats really for the candidates that are saying this stuff, even though it should be recognizably well outside of what anyone would think is mainstream political thought. But it's not. Now, this is Democrat Party thought. My friends, they're going socialist. The Democratic Party is a socialist party now that they can fight that definition as much as they want. They are a party of big government and central planning and

redistribution of wealth. They are devoted to socialism, and in many ways their social justice approach is meant to be a rearranging of power among different groups. So they're redistributing money and they're redistributing power. That's what they think that they should be doing, all based on the whims of a central committee, if you will, the elites, the governing apparatus that makes all these decisions. This is very, very troubling stuff. But may Or Pete's supposed to be the same.

They're reasonable, the smart one, and he's all in a Medicare for all, and his Medicare for All planned is just fantasy land stuff. It cannot work the way he says it's going to work. It is unserious to say that it will do the things that he says it's going to do. But no one's gonna hit him on this one. They're just gonna let it go. Rock and roll. Fellow patriots, we made ours go up to eleven. It's time for roll call, Roll call. All right, let's see what we got in the roll call. Facebook dot com

slashbox section or teambuck at iHeartMedia dot com. If you want an email today, we'll get into some of the Facebook. I feel like we've been favoring the email you've got mail from back in the day. All right, let's get to this. Darby, it's a cool name. Listen to Kamala Harris say that she isn't doing well because America isn't ready for a woman of color to be president is ridiculous. My ex wife is black and she's far more successful than I am for one very simple reason. She worked

her tail off. That's it. Your analysis is one hundred percent correct that we as a country not tolerant any of the biggest behaviors the left constantly accuses of us of. If sexism, racism, or any other ism is your excuse for not succeeding, you weren't going to succeed anyway. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just so easy for people to find some reason why things haven't gone exactly the way they wanted to because of an immutable characteristic beyond

their control. When I just don't think that. I'm not saying that doesn't tappen in America. I think that it happens far less frequently than we are told by the media. Let's see here, Robert Rights. Libs are jealous of Trump. He was the king of what, married and surrounded by hot women. He's rich, he's all, he's got awesome kids, he's brutally honest. Yeah, basically, this guy's saying that he's awesome. Libs hate Trump because Trump is so awesome. Well, I

like where your heads. I like where your head's at on that one. Let's see here, Chris buck love the show. I hear you when you say the Orange Adonis failed to deliver on his promise of a beautiful wall that said nobody could have fully anticipated the deranged antics of the Democrats. If a mayor comes in and promises to reform the police and the entire establishment fights him at any cost and uses corrupt judges to thwart his efforts, did he fail or did the opposition prevent him using

a perversion of the law and accepted norms. Yeah, the wall is stunted, but he's working with the bounds of the law. Unless he wanted to pull an Obama. You have to judge his efforts in that light. You're being a little too literal and cute on this issue, Chris Buddy. Why I wasn't there a focus on getting the wall done when Trump had a majority in the Congress? Where where was the wall? Then? Where was immigration action? First two years? I look, I'm not saying that Trump doesn't

have all those problems you laid out. I think he I talk about how he has all those issues, but he kind of knew he would right got the tax cuts done. Glad we got those tax cuts, the most classic Gop maneuver of all time. I'm not saying it's not good, but it's not a game change. You know why, because Democrats can and say, okay, now we're gonna raise taxes. There we go. It was nice while it lasted. A wall would be forever. And we don't have the wall,

and we were promised wall. We were not promised. Oh it's really hard to get a wall. Here we go. Kyle's hey, buck saw the snap about Belgians. I had one smartest, toughest dog I ever owned, not an easy dog to own. Yeah, that's what I was saying. She just roid every six sided cage we bought. Sheared off lower canines, pulling a cage door through the smaller opening so she could get out of one. She scaled a six foot privacy fence is a Belgian Malinois, folks and

pulled it apart, chewed through another wooden fence. She had storm anxiety and frankly thought she was human, but was great with kids and dogs. They have a huge prey drive, so it cannot be an apartment dog, but they are a great breed. No, Kyle, that's well in line with

what I've read about Belgian Malinois. Amazing companions, incredibly loyal, incredibly smart, fierce, and I think they're beautiful dogs too, But not meant to be in like a studio apartment, you know, where you have like a little bed in the corner for it and no work for it to do throughout the day. No, it's not a lot. It's definitely not a lap dog. I think I might have to get a lap dog. That'd be kind of fun.

Brandy Rights, thanks for reinforcing the advertisement on owning such a high breed, high drive breed like the Malonois or Dutch shepherd malanown Dutch shepherd by the different type, but they look very it's for a lay person like me, it's not. It hasn't been a lot of time with those two breeds. They look a little similar. They're different, but there it's easy to get them confused. And they all they both also look a little bit like a German shepherd, some differences in the body and the and

the coat colors. Um. Anyway, Brandy Wrights, I try to save rescue so many Malonois and Dutchies that people discard because they thought they were cool and find they cannot handle the breed. Guys. The dog breed, uh, you know, I grew up with dogs. The dog breed really matters. And if you're going to get it, if you're in the city, get a city dog. If you want a lazy snuggle dog, get a dog that likes just lie

around that have it's belly rubbed. If you want an animal that is going to protect your home, is going to you know, be a working dog in some capacity, you know, and you were a no dog handling, maybe think about getting a malinwaw. But do not just be like, oh, they look cool and they you know, track down bagdaddy. So I want to get a Belgian malanwaw not a good idea anyway. Seth buck love the podcast as a retired sergeant from the army. This drives me crazy. That

guy was out of step. He looks confused. Seth is saying he did not like the testimony of Vinman. Okay, well, thanks Man for writing. I appreciate it. And a team that's gonna be it for the show today. I hope you have thought it was as fantastic as I do. I'm gonna keep asking you. Please tell somebody in your life if you're bored, if you've got nothing else to say. Sitting across some someone at dinner, they're like, hey, if you try the Buck Sexton Show, listen to the podcast

a huge help. If everybody listening to this did that and without I hope you've enjoyed the audio, or if you're listening or if you're watching on Pluto channel to forty eight, first, thank you. She'll tie