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edition of Hold the Line. I'm buck Sexton. If we lose the big tech battle, we will lose all the political battles to come after it. They control the spread of information. They control the pipes of the dissemination of data and facts and figures in such a way that they can shape your perception, everyone's perception about reality. And they've done this for partisan ends. We know this now beyond any reasonable doubt. They used to claim that this

was just an accident. They would occasionally ban a conservative or suspend one for sharing a not PC thought or sharing something that was considered too dangerous to the ruling Democrat apparatus, and of course, the big tuck oligarch sitting atop that largely, but now we know, now we've seen

what the reality actually is. Here's just a little flashback to October of twenty twenty, when Jack Dorsey, former CEO of Twitter, was saying that there was no evidence that the New York Post story on Hunter Biden's emails was disinformation. Watch this one, okay for cooth Mister Zuckerberg and Dorsey who censored, censored New York Post stories or throttled them back.

You either one of you have any evidence that the New York Post story is part of Russian distry information or that those emails aren't authentic to any any any instipation what's there they're not authentic, or that they are Russian disinformation. Mister Darcy, we don't you know, so, so why would why would you censor it? Why did you prevent that from being disseminated on your platform that is supposed to be for the free expression of ideas and

particularly true ideas. We believed to Philip Felt our hacking materials policy, we judged and it was hacked. They weren't hacked. We judged in a moment that it looked like it was hacked materials. You were wrong, purpacing and and we updated our policy and our enforcement within twenty four hours. They were wrong. It wasn't hacked material. It was true material, and it was right before an election, and it might

have actually changed the course of that election. The Big Tech now is clearly openly a Democrat superpack in act, and that's the way they actually operate, and they have an understanding now of the amount of power that they wield, and this is not going to be something we could ignore any longer. You can care a lot about the border, about defund the police and crime, and you can care about spending and COVID policy and inflation, all these things.

If the lib left Marxist social media platforms are able to continue to control the spread of information, to shut down voices that are speaking the truth or that are critics of the regime, we're never going to be able to win at the national level. Again, those are the stakes, which is why the Democrats are now all in on censorship.

They realize they want to use this weapon, this tool of information suppression, as long as they possibly can, because it is enormously helpful to their power and their aspirations for more of it. This was just in July present, the United States, Joe Biden was actually saying that information on Facebook that the regime doesn't approve of is literally killing people. Watch what's your message the platforms like Facebook,

they're killing people. I mean they're really Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated, and they're killing people. That's not true, by the way, as you know, one of the dumbest lines ever uttered by any president's a pandemic of the unvaccdor. No, it's not. That is a lie. They were wrong anyway. Jensaki, White House Press Secretary, really the propagandas are of the Biden regime. She says that you should be banned from all social media. Plan Let

let's take a step back for a second. Here. The people that are supposed to be in charge of dissemiting information to the public so they can make informed decisions and that this republic can stand with citizens who are informed enough to be able to hold their government to account and to make wise decisions and who they allect. Meanwhile, the people in charge are actually saying, no, no, we want to shut down anybody that gets it our way. We want to censor them, we want to silence them.

This was just in July Jensaki saying you should be banned from all social media platforms, not just one. A couple of the steps that we have, you know, that could be constructive for the public health of the country are providing for Facebook or their platforms to measure and publicly share the impact of misinformation on their platform and the audience. It's reaching also with the public, with all of you to create robust enforcement strategies that bridge their

properties and provide transparency about rules. You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others if you afford providing misinformation out there spanned from all of them. You see, they are open about their desire for censorship. Left controls the social media platforms, they run them, and they expect them to be their allies, and they have been. We need to do something about it, or we can just continue to hear stuff like this from a member of Congress,

Permilla Jaya Paula Washington, who's saying even banning conservatives isn't enough. Watch. It's no secret that our social media companies have been part of their algorithms promoting disinformation, and I think that these steps are important, but frankly, a little too little and a little too late. The reality is it's not just Marjorie Taylor Green. All over Twitter, social Media, Facebook, all of these companies have been using algorithms that are

just about clickbait, not about truth. And so if we are going to take on the disinformation that's out there, the big lie, and everything else that goes with it, then yes, this is a part of it. But it's got to be much much more amazing, isn't it. Only want to prove narrative allowed agree with the people in power, or they will shut you down and silence you and punish you. Or we can fight back. We can actually

build our own unsinkable aircraft carriers of free speech. And that's what we want to talk to you about here on this special for Hold the line. We've got a great lineup of guest coming up, and after the break we'll talk to Jason Miller, whose social media platform Getter is poised to give Twitter a run for its money. Stay with us. Twenty sixteen presidential campaign was arguably the first national race in which Twitter played a central role.

At the time the general election rolled around, then candidate Trump had amassed a following of over ten million people social media megaphone allowed him to bypass hostile news outlets and bring his message directly to potential voters. You already know President Trump was banned from Twitter in late twenty twenty, a move it's done the political world and left him without the most important communication tool in his arsenal. What I mean now is the former senior advisor to the

Trump twenty twenty reelection campaign and CEO of Getter, Jason Miller. Jason, great to see him, but good to be back with you. So let's just talk about what it was like. You're on the front lines of President Trump's twenty sixteen campaign in twenty twenty. But let's talk about twenty sixteen for a moment and the enormous win that he had that so many people said was impossible. How critical was Twitter?

I mean, what role did Twitter play and the President's usage of that tool in his election and his defeat of Hillary Clinton. Well, it's very important, both Twitter and Facebook and let's say, all of social media. And what I've always said is that President Trump really his superpower has been ability to bypass traditional media go directly to voters.

And so in twenty sixteen, that was part of the way that the President Trump was able to sneak up on the elites or the media or a lot of folks who didn't see a Trump coming because he's able to talk directly to people, and they couldn't shut him down by saying, here's negative coverage and the failing New York Times or fake news CNN or any of the

traditional news sources. What's different or changed in a lot of ways over twenty twenty is they were ready for President Trump and for our team, and so they started to change the rules of the game, whether it be the warning labels that they would put up, whether it be the shadow banning, or changing the algorithms. All these different things made it much difficult to connect directly with people.

And one of the things that I think is important to know is that Dorsey and Zuckerberg both got a lot of heat from the left, particularly the progressive left, who blamed them for essentially helping President Trump win in twenty sixteen. They say, if you hadn't, if you darned kids hadn't gone and created these platforms, then we wouldn't

have ended up with Trump. And so I think that's part of the reason why you saw such the backlash from Dorsey and Zuckerberg heading into twenty twenty because they were trying to make amends for having created their platforms in twenty sixteen. How the issue of Twitter's cracked down on conservatives progressed over the years. I mean, Jason, I'm all enough to remember when Twitter claimed there was no political bias or politicized decision making about who's being either

shadow banded or outright suspended. What's changed, Well, I think a couple of things have changed. Number One, They've decided that they want to use their platform to help frame the world as far as what the issues are, how people look at things. This is no longer kind of the altruistic free speech platform. This is very much about they have a particular ideology and they want people to

abide by that. And so you take a look at, say, for example, Google and YouTube, the way that they now put warning labels on if you talk about climate change in the way that they don't agree with. You. Take a look at the way that Twitter will go and actually ban people or the sentence you to digital jail for a short amount of time and simply for saying something about vaccines or COVID that they don't agree with and that's part of the reason why we end up

getting Rogan. You had the Robert doctor, Robert Malone, you had Marjorie Taylor green Book get kicked off, and then that rolls up into helping us get Rogan, then ultimately Tucker Carlson yesterday. But Buck, I think if we kind of step back here and take a look at it, it's President Trump. I think was right when he said last year, if they're willing to do it to me, they're willing to kick me off, they'll do it to you in a second. Now we're seeing how they've kicked

off President Trump. Really, the guardrails are off, the big tech social media companies are unencumbered for what they want to do next. It's President Trump depending on an alternative being available if he should choose to run again in twenty twenty four. In your estimation, that's a great question. I don't know if he's necessarily depending on it, but

an alternative will be absolutely necessary. That's a critical function if he wants to have a chance to win in twenty twenty four, is to have this strongly developed alternative platform. Because the fact of the matter is the big tech social media companies. If they even allow his new platform or some new platform that he's on to be on some of the app stores, they're going to look for every excuse an opportunity to try to shut him down. They will say it's in the future of human civilization.

They'll say asteroids are going to crash into the earth that we allow Trump back on Twitter or on Facebook. I think it's already clear that the bands for those platforms are going to be permanent. But I think where the rubbers are really going to meet the road is when he launches his own platform into what extent that's allowed to thrive and operate, or if they just look

to shut it down right away. What happens, by the way, for other You know, when you can ban a president, you can obviously ban anybody, right so for a lot of other people, including prominent conservatives, on social media platforms Twitter and Facebook and others, it would be even harder, you would think, to try to get some answers here. But is there a well, what happens if you get banned right now from one of these social media giants and your conservative and you say, hey, you know, I

want my day in court, so to speak. Right without actually necessarily getting a legal aspect, though I know that's a part of this too for some people, my friend Alex Barnson among them. But what happens, I mean, is there like a Twitter get out of jail court you go to. I mean, who do you talk? It feels like it's also nameless and faceless, but yet immensely powerful. Well,

they do have an appeals process. I couldn't tell you the inner workings of how that truly functions, just for the simple fact that they keep that very tight and very closely guarded, because again, there is a lot of unevenness and I think the way their standards are applied. I mean, just take a look at the fact that you have the Taliban, the Ayatola all on Twitter, but no President Trump. And pretty sure President Trump has never killed anybody. You can't see the same thing of her

a Moss, the Aetola and the Taliban. They've killed lots of people. Senator Ram Paul, by the way, speaking of people kicked off, politician, big public figure, well known, he explained why he was quitting. We've talked about Twitter a lot. YouTube obviously owned by Google, which is the subsidiary of alphabet here he is saying he left YouTube over censorship. You know, I'm tired of censorship. You know they say Mark Twain used to say, everybody's complaining about the weather,

but nobody's doing anything about it. Well, everybody on the right complains about social media in their censorship, We'll do something about it. Let's quit. So I'm no longer going to let some punk, some snot nosed kid over at YouTube decide that a speech that I gave on the Senate floor is not appropriate, or that when I say cloth mask don't work, because I'm trying to save lives, because if you go into the right, your grandparents are

wearing a cloth mask, you're going to get infected. If an eighty year old's taking care of their wife and they're wearing a cloth mask and their wife ask COVID, they're going to get infected because the cloth mask don't work. You don't say, Jason, well, that's right. I hope that we can get Senator Paul over on Getter. He certainly would be a welcome addition and a strong voice. I think about a dozen or maybe fifteen senators who have

joined the platform. But he's right, I mean at this point, we got to look and say we're additional places to go and make our voices heard. You know, when the things buck is. I never tell people though that they should go and give another platform. My philosophy is is the CEO of gettor is that I have to make Ghettor a desirable place for people to be. I need to make it so people want to be a Ghettor. Yes, at a certain point people just start to give up

the big tech platforms on their own. But I want to lead with our strengths and our attributes and then pull people in that way. Certainly a lot of people are saying, hey, we need to quit big tech altogether. Though we want to talk about going on offense here when it comes to free sphjas and we'll have more with the CEO of Ghettter, Jason Miller in a moment. The past few years have demonstrated the importance of social media to the national political discussion and races all across

the country. So with Twitter's cracked down on conservatives and false wing, what can we donna take back power from big tech job aience. In July last year, Jason Miller and his team launched get Her, a social media app designed to directly compete with the Twitter monolith. I mean, now once again, CEO of get Her, Jason Miller, Jason, thanks so much. Man. Now let's talk about offense. Yeah, absolutely so. We're taking the fight right too big tech,

and I think the bucket beginning of this. There are a couple of philosophies that I laid out for our team. Number One, I think for too long we've been told if you want to have some alternative platform, you go develop it just not going to be as good as big tech. I tell my team every single day. I don't care how long Twitter has been around, how long Facebook has been around. We're not judged on the fact

that we're only six months old. We're judged to get what the current user experience is for these other big tech platforms. They've had a big head start on us, but we have to catch up. That's why right now, that's say we're a marketplace competitor to Twitter and Facebook.

When we launch a vision, which will be our short video format that competes directly with TikTok with Instagram reels, we're launching that in February, then that's going to make us competitors to them help with a whole new demographic of younger folks are coming on the platform. And then where we go next, where we go and launch get ter pay, our two coin ecosystem with essentially a stable coin and a fluctuating coin. We launched that this summer. We're going to go a place where none of these

social media platforms have gone before. And as we get into decentralized finance, we get to the peer to peer lending, all sorts of cool stuff that's coming that's going to completely set us apart. But the other thing that I always say, make our team remember every single day is we're guided by a simple principle that if you believe in free speech and you oppose cancel culture, then you have a home here. It doesn't matter what someone's background

or their ideology. If they're on the left, they're on the right, they don't care about politics at all. We're guided by that principle that free speech has to have a safe space and that's here on getter. Okay, so gettor is somewhat similar as it stands right now to Twitter. I am full disclosure, probably just said it's the first segment I'm on Getter. I use Getter similar in some ways to Twitter. What's different about it for the folks

out there? Absolutely so. Number one, we have longer posts up to seven hundred and seventy seven characters, Longer videos were now up to three minute videos. We also have live streaming now that we've started introducing that in the beta stage, so folks who are verified users, we've started to allow a couple dozen folks using that. Some of the live streams have got some pretty big audiences so far.

Where we're also going to is very surely will allow an edit feature, as well as the fact that that'll be one of the big things, but you won't have to like Twitter blue pain and extra three ninety nine or four ninety nine a month. We're gonna make that available to everybody, as well as some longer videos a little bit closer to ten minutes. So we have some really good features right now every thing too. I think our translate feature is much easier to use. And here's

a cool thing, buck. When you set up your Twitter account, excuse you set your Getter account, you can actually import in all of your tweets because that's your intellectual property. The platforms don't actually own that, and so when you set up Getter, you can poured in all your tweets that helped populate your timeline. So whether you have memes or videos or recordings or other things, then you have a backup of that that's all going to come with you.

It's a feature. A lot of folks really like that's really cool. I got to use that one. Well kind of growth have you seen since you actually launched get or Jason? Absolutely so, we're the fastest ever social media platform. We get to a million users. We did that in

three days. Then over the course of the last few months we got up to three million users, and then literally just over this past week, we added on about one point one or one point two million users following the editions of folks like doctor Malone and Marger Taylor Green and Joe Rogan and now Tucker Carlson. So we're now up over four million users on the platform. Here's another cool thing, and this is another principle that I put down at the beginning. I said, this is going

to be a global platform. If we're going to grow and really take on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram TikTok, we have to go global. We've got to be big. Only about forty percent of our user base is here in the US, about sixty percent is global, with about fifteen percent and excuse me in Brazil, about ten percent in Japan. So this truly is a global free speech

effort right now. Now, what kind of resistance have you faced from the rival big tech oligarchs out there, and what are you expecting that they're going to do as you guys continue to gain steam and momentum. Well, we've seen already in some of the early stages that Twitter was actually buying ads off of us. So if you went to the app store and typed in get Her, an ad for Twitter would pop up, which they did that when we're only about one or two million users,

So we could tell that we shook them quite a bit. Also, as we started talking about some of the advancements and get Her and some of the new features, we've noticed that Twitter has gotten a lot more aggressive in saying that they're going to offer different premiums and different features.

And so we've definitely lit a fire in them because Twitter hasn't had any real advancements in quite a while, but where they have gone as far as on their spaces front with doing kind of the they essentially did kind of a rip off a clubhouse is different from we're going on the video front. I think the video front is going to be more successful. I think that the otherwise, I think Clubhouse would have taken off and

been a big ginormous success on its own. But I think the video feature is something that I mean, look, look at your platform. You're on video and that's that's where so much of the action the interest is in these days. So we actually kind of sit back and have a little bit of a smile. We see Twitter saying that they're going to do something new, because it's really they can't teach an old dog new tricks, so to speak. But Forgetter, we're still young, we're still growing.

We have a lot of cool things ahead. Yeah, what else do you guys get or have in the pipeline? And what are some of the milestones you're hoping to reach if you have some sense of estimated timeline you know by all means, Yeah, absolutely So in addition to Vision the short video platform, then also get or Pay that's coming up. We're also going to make as you can import in Instagram posts that will be something that we allow very similar to how you can now import

in Twitter posts. So we think that's going to be a cool feature. Also, as I said, expanding out live stream to a lot more people, there'll be another exciting dynamic. And also too, we'll have cross posting where you can elect to if you post on Getter to then have that appear on Twitter. You know, one of the things that a lot of folks come back and say is I got to bounce around in different platforms, and everyone

wants to get away from big tech. But a lot of content creators also very much don't want to say give up followings or groups that they have and other audiences. So those will make it so if you post on Getter, it'll show up on Twitter, which makes us you really don't have to go back to Twitter at all. The one of the question that Jason for people that switch over is are the followers that someone has on Twitter the same exact followers they start out with on Getter

or how does that work? Great questions? So right now, so what we list or the total number of followers, so we have both the Getter followers and the Twitter followers, whe people can see your combined reach Essentially the front end of the engineering got a little bit ahead of the back end, and so about two weeks or so when we roll that out and you'll see that when you post something on Getter and you've elected to also have that appear on Twitter, then the follower account that

you have there is reflective of the total follower base, or also might put it in there where you can see just very clearly here's the Getter specific and here's the combined numbers. So that's a little bit more clear for folks. So it's so it gives you the opportunity of a much bigger amplification. The other thing, too, is just the fact that we are a global platform, that

we are now up over four million. I think a lot of people may previously just had a domestic reach, whether that's just here in the US, or say just in Brazil or the UK or wherever they might be. Now they're realizing that they're using their megaphone to talk globally, like a Penis cantor Freedom from the Boston Celtics, who now with the help of Getter, in addition to some of his other efforts, has taken as anti CCP fight globally Jason exciting stuff. Good work, Thanks for being with us.

Thank you. Sorry, We'll be right back with more of this special edition of All the Line. Left efforts to dominate social media began largely in twenty sixteen when they accused Russia of using Facebook to influence voters. As back in the day we were allowed to question the legitimacy of a presidential election, of course, but it ultimately mounted to was Russia purchasing approximately one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of advertiser at least people in Russia acting,

we believe, at the behest of the Russian government. It's not exactly a great threat to our democracy, though, considering Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump spent over up billion dollars over the course of the campaign. Still, the moral panic over a few Russian bots and Facebook ads eventually became a broader campaign by the left to control what can and can't be said on social media, and they've seen

some success. Due to the constant pressure, Democrats have managed to squash new unflattering stories, including the Hunter Biden laptop story, and they've d platform people who've been critical of the governments response to COVID nineteen I've got with this myself, getting suspended and getting all kinds of strikes and shadow banning and demodetization just for saying things that are obviously

true about the COVID regime of Fauci. Remember, it's not about spreading disinformation, it's about who decides what disinformation is. I'll take a closer look at their efforts at censorship in tonight's buckbrief. Let's understand this right now, the Democrats have embraced wholesale the usage of social media platforms as a tool of their preferred narratives and policies. That's right.

The Democrats are now at a place where they quite obviously and quite clearly want Facebook and the other major social media company to do everything in their power to shut down whatever ideas they don't like. In fact, they even threatened, not just asked politely, they threatened some of these social media companies to make sure that they fall in line. Now, they're overwhelmingly run by not just Democrats, but really far left zealots. That's who actually runs Facebook

and Google and these other platforms Twitter. But they also recognize that their businesses and so antagonizing half the country might not be a great idea, but they don't care anymore. You know why, because the Democrats demand that they fall in line and that they actively censor and shutdown. They used to pretend they weren't doing it right because they didn't want to lose half the country and all of this.

But here, for example, is Biden in November of twenty nineteen saying that social media companies should not be exempted from being sued for the promotion of fake news. Watch. I just think that social media has to be more social conscious of what is important in terms of our democracy, and part of that is a little truth in lending here and making sure that everything is not about whether they can make a book. It requires that the journalistic

responsibility you have. You can't do what they can do on Facebook. You can't do what they can do and just say anything at all, then not acknowledge that when you know something is fundamentally not true. And I just think it's a little out of hand, and I, for one, think we should be considering taking away the exemption that they cannot be sued for knowingly engaged down in promoting

something that's not true. I understand this is the government effectively threatening the social media company, saying, not only do we want you to be the truth police, think about how that goes. But if you don't do it, maybe we'll make sure that you can get sued, maybe will bankrupt you, maybe we'll go after you. This is what you would expect in an authoritarian regime. Remember, it's not that you will have ninety five percent of the media,

of journalists of newspapers against an authoritarian regime. That's not how it goes. That's what you had under Donald Trump. It's in fact that you will have a collusion, if you will, between the media and the regime in power, which is exactly what you have with the Biden administration. That's when you should be really concerned about not just free speech, but freedom in general. And they don't even

really hide it from him. Back in May of twenty twenty one, the chief propagandas are of this White House, Jensaki, said that there's an obligation of responsibility for the social media platforms to shut down untrustworthy content and disinformation Watch. The President's view is that the major platforms have a responsibility related to the health and safety of all Americans to stop amplifying untrustworthy content, disinformation and misinformation, especially related

to COVID nineteen vaccinations and elections. So, for example, would it be a disinformation Was it disinformation to suggest that the Wuhan coronavirus came from a lab leak scenario in Wuhan, China? They said it was. Were they right, No, they were not. Is it disinformation to say that the vaccines don't last more than a few months with their maximum protection and aren't very effective at all at stopping the spread of

the omicron variant of coronavirus. No, but if you said that three months ago, two months ago, they would have shut you down for misinformation. Seeing the pattern here, But they don't care. This is about power. This is about the ability to control the narrative. It's not about what's true. Democrats don't care about what's true. They don't care about the First Amendment. They want what they want. They're like spoiled children. They don't want people saying things that upsets them.

They don't want people being able to challenge their sacred cows. Here's Hillary Clinton back in November of twenty twenty one, just making it clear to everybody that she thinks there should be new laws to regulate social media companies. First, we have to take necessary legislative and regulatory action to begin to regulate the way that our social media and tech companies operate. You know, we had to have new rules for the industrial age at the beginning of the

last century. Well, we certainly need new rules for the information age because our current laws, our framework is just not to adequate for what we're facing. And there are a number of very good ideas about how to both apply existing laws and to fill the gaps that exist so that we can begin to try to rain in some of the abuses of the technology companies, particularly the

social media companies. Yeah, they want to make sure that they restrict Conservatives are getting kicked off, Conservatives are getting deep platformed. We're the ones that we're getting censored. And the government and people in government currently and previously at the top levels are saying we want more of this. In fact, the sitting president just said recently, social media

outlets need to deal with the misinformation. Watch I make a special appeal to social media companies and media outlets, please deal with the misinformation and disinformation. It's on your shows. It has to stop. COVID nineteen is one of the most formidable and amas America's ever faced. We've got to work together, not against each other. We're America. We can do this. Sure, shutdown free speech? Why not the president?

All right? At least one member of Congress has been vocal in her support of free speech when it comes to social media. And we come back, Tennessee Senator Marsha Blackburn's going to join us to discuss her efforts to

take on the big tech juggernaut. Stay with us. The fight against big tech censorship has made its way to Capitol Hill, where a few brave senators have continued to push back against the power hungry tech giants like Facebook, Twitter, and Google and stand up for conservative voices that have been silenced on these platforms. Republican Tennessee Senator Marsha Blackburn

has been a force in DC against big tech. From pressing major tech executives over their biased practices and shadow banning rules to being lead Republican on the App Store Bill, Senator Blackburn is on a mission to hold tech giants accountable. Joins us now to explain center great to have you, It is good to be with you, and you're exactly right. I am determined that after a decade of trying, we are going to put some guardrails around what big tech

can do with your data, your information. You know, buck, when you are online, when you're on one of the social media platforms, you are the product. And it leads us to ask who actually owns the virtual you? Which is you and your information? When you're online, you send the past center of that American The American people no longer trust big tech. Least a lot of us don't. So what steps are you and your Republican colleagues going

to take when you're in the majority to address that. Yes, the very first thing is establishing a federal online privacy standard. This means passing a bill like the brows Act, which I first filed a privacy bill believe it or not, in twenty twelve. So this has taken a while. But what it would do is give you, the consumer control over your data. If you wanted to share your information with the tech platform, then you would have to give

your explicit consent. In other words, you would have to opt to in, and then for nonsensitive information like your browsing history, then you would be able to opt out. This means the tech platform could not track you, They could not mine your data, they could not share or sell your data. You would be the individual owning your data. Also, what it would do is established one set of rules for the entire Internet ecosystem with one regulator, the Federal

Trade Commission. That is how we think is the best way to ensure that people are safe online. Likewise data security, so that if there's a breach, they have to notify you within a given period of time like forty eight or seventy two hours, and also that there are penalties and enforcements for people that are committing these breaches. And then section two thirty is where you get into censorship, where you get into these platforms that allow human trafficking,

sex trafficking, drug trafficking on their platform. Reforming section two thirty so that these platforms have to be accountable for what they allow to be accessed, viewed, heard, and shared on their platforms would be the way for us to in censorship and the selling of a lot of fraudulent and counterfeit products and end these cartails and trafficking organizations from using these tech platforms to handle sex trafficking or

drug trafficking. Senator Blackburn the big tech companies, of course, have all kinds of answers and responses for a lot of this stuff on the Section to thirty point. Their spokespersons will go to the media, of course, and they control a lot of the media themselves, to suggest that if they don't have Section two thirty protection, they will have to be even more strict in their censorship because

they would then be liable. What's the truth of that, I mean, is there enough to reform Section two thirty? Is that really the heart of this? The heart of it is the reforming of Section two thirty to be more explicit in what is allowed and to be more explicit in the companies. The size of those companies that can seek two thirty tections now buck news sites like sagettor or Parlor or some of these, they still need that Section to thirty protection. They're small, they haven't stood

up yet. And Section to thirty was put there in the mid nineties to allow these platforms to be able to grow. Now you have Facebook, Instagram Meta as they're called, you have Twitter, you have YouTube, you have Amazon. You have companies that are some of the biggest, wealthiest companies in the country. These people know what is taking place on their platform because they're constantly data mining and they are constantly surveying, so no people realize you can no

longer let them hide behind section to thirty. They have to be held to account and that is an area where we have bipartisan agreement. You mentioned Getter Parlor. There are some of these conservative or really just free speech dedicated social media platforms that are finally getting some real attention usership, and we've been talking about them here on

the program. Are there any measures you think have to be taken from a legislative perspective to make sure that there aren't anti competitive practices, say collusion between some of the big tech companies. We know that Parlor, for example, was kicked off of Amazon Web servers out of nowhere, and that certainly was a huge benefit to Twitter, which was Parlor's primary competitors. So is there any legislation about

anti competitive practices that you foresee? Is that a concern? Yes, those anti competitive practices are a tremendous concern to us, and yes, looking at this is something that we are doing. The Open App Market Bill is a good example of something that will help to make the app market marketplace more competitive because what you would do is allow these apps to work with somebody other than Apple. Right now,

Apple kind of has the stranglehold on that. What innovators want, they want choice and options, and they don't want to have to give thirty percent of their profits over to Apple just to be in the app store. So there are different components that will make basically antitrust legislation that we will be bringing forward. Many of our bills, like my App market Bill, are written, they're filed, and we're going to be pushing to pass those, get them signed

into law. Not sure we'll get them done this year, but I have no doubt that in twenty three we will get them done. Senator blackburn always appreciate you make the time, Thanks for being with us. Thank you. That's all the time we have for this special edition of Hold the Line. I'd like to thank my guest Jason Miller and Senator Marsha Blackburne for sheridoner expertise. Have a great night. As always, Shield's high