Trump Fights For The Wall

what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake American, You're a great American Again The buck Sexton Show begins. SETIA analysts. Remember then on June sixteenth, when I announced that I was running for president, and I came down the escalator and I brought up for the first time illegal immigration, and I said, we got to build a wall. And everybody said, Oh, that's crazy, that's crazy. We will build a wall, We will build a wall. Oh, we're

gonna build a wall. All right. The wall is peanuts. It's peanuts compared to what we're talking about. Who's gonna pay for the wall? Mexico they'll pay it. We won't pay for the wall. And I want you to tell that to mister Trump. I said, yes, tell him that the wall just got ten feet taller. Okay, tell him, tell him. It's a vital tool. It's an important tool. It's maybe the most important tool that they can think of.

We're gonna build the wall. We have no choice. Build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall. Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. I just wanted us all to soak that all in for a moment here. Was there any ambiguity, was there any hesitation, any mealy mouth talking out of both sides of the mouth? Stuff from President Trump about the wall. No, build the

wall at the rallies, build the wall. The promise that he made, the promise that elevated him ahead of a lot of other possible Republican contenders. It was immigration, not really trade, not really anything else, immigration that first catapulted Trump to the very top of the list of Republican candidates.

It was immigration, willingness to discuss it honestly and openly without fear of political correctness and the backlash from It was immigration that brought so many people to come out and vote for Trump, despite the fact that he had no political background. That he has not by any means a policy wonk that he can be a bit. Course he is rough on the rough around the edges, and

so on and so forth. The President made a promise, a promise that could not have been more clear, that he repeated more than probably any other line at his rallies, and darn it, this president today realize, whether he knew all long or not, I don't know, realize that he better keep that promise. And as of right now as I go on air, it looks like he will. Looks

like he's going to try to do so. President spoke today about this and went on the record once again that they're better be funding for a border wall or else. This is not This continuing resolution to fund the government is not going to happen, and yes there will be a shutdown a play eighteen. I've made my position very clear. Any measure that funds the government must include border security. Has to not for political purposes, but for a country,

for the safety of our community. This is not merely my campaign promise. This is the promise every lawmaker man. It is the solemn promise to protect and defend the United States of America, and it is our sacred obligation. We have no choice. We have no choice, the President says. You see, I take the President at his word. I believe that this is a man who understands that it's what you say and whether you follow through on that or not on the issues that matter, that determines who

you are as a politician, who you are as a man. Yeah, he inflates things sometime. Sure, he's got quite an ego. All that stuff is true, You're not You're not unaware of that. Neither am I would I say the things that Trump says? Would I go about my personal life for the way Trump has? No? But this is about execution for the commander in chief, executing on the vision, executing on the agenda, the promises that he made, and a wall has to be a part of that. There's

no way around it. And that's why I think does the willingness to fight here is going to speak volumes and make no mistake, twenty twenty hangs in the balance right now. What happens over the next few days will be something that we talk about for many months and even years to come. This is the moment. It's not going to get better when Nancy Pelosi Speaker the House. It's not going to get better. As Republicans have to face another election cycle. Now is the time have the debate,

have the argument for the American people. And you know what A big part of that debate is walls work. I heard, you know earlier today. I keep hearing this along the walls don't work. And I want to say, how do they come to that conclusion? President Trump says, the walls workplace seventeen. I am asking Congress to defend the border of our nation for tiny fraction, tiny fraction of the cost. Essential to border security is a powerful physical barrier. Walls work, whether we like it or not.

They work better than anything in Israel. Ninety nine point nine percent successful illegal immigration drives down wages for the neediest Americans. No one who calls themselves a progressive should support illegal immigration. Open voters hurts poor Americans more than anyone else in our society. In life, there are certain principles worth fighting for, Principles that are more important than politics, party, or personal convenience to safety and security and sovereignty of

the United States is the most important principle of all. Safety, security, sovereignty of the people the United States. This is a core issue for this republic. This is central and essential. When I hear politicians, Democrats, leftists, and yes, some weak Republicans, when I hear them saying that we don't have five billion dollars to the wall, I want to ask, well, what do we have five billion dollars for? At this point? Let's look at the other things we're spending money on

as a country. I mean, what has been the expansion in welfare programs since the Obama years to today? Where are we giving people money? You lose eighty billion dollars a year in Medicare fraud. Medicare and Medicaid fraud, they estimate eighty billion. We don't have five billion dollars to get a wall built. And this idea that the wall is going to be perfect is nonsense. If you have a lock on your door, you're not saying that somebody

with a sledgehammer can't get through your front door. You're not saying it's going to keep out a squat team, and you're not even saying that the burglar can't find a way to maybe get through your window. Right. All you're saying is I'm gonna make it harder. I'm not going to allow somebody to just get into my home without effort, and therefore maybe give me some critical seconds if they try to break in my front door to get to a firearm, to call the police to take shelter.

You know, that's why you have a lock. Now, a lock is not perfect. But if you didn't have a lock on your front door, I know some of you probably live in parts the country were like Buck, I don't need a lock. But for most of the rest of us, you probably have a lock on the door. And it's because it's a sound security measure. A wall

in certain places is a sound security measure. It is helpful to the process of preventing people from entering the United States, including cartels and drug runners and you know cicarios hit men for the various cartels, including them, preventing them from coming into the country, as well as illegal immigrants who are violating our sovereignty and our laws. Because as Trump understands, and Democrats have abandoned this by the way, they used to pretend that they were serious about this.

But you know, therefore, any border security measure, as long as it doesn't give us a secure border place sixteen. Every nation has not only the right but the absolute duty to protect its borders and its citizens. A nation without borders is a nation not at all. Without borders, we have the reign of chaos, crime, cartels, and believe

it or not, coyotes. I will not surrender this nation to the whims of criminal organizations who pray on the vulnerable, who hurt women and children, and has spread human misery and suffering. There are very real costs to the continued lawlessness at our border, and the lawlessness and law breaking

that is abetted by the Democrats in this country. In the interior of the US, the sanctuary city policies, the all these different legal activist groups running around suing everyone and anyone who tries to enforce immigration law, making sure that those who come to the country illegally have even more resources at their disposal to evade law enforcement. Enough is enough. No other country would be expected to accept this. Why should we? No other country says, yes, just show up,

do what you want, don't worry about it. We owe it to you. We owe it to you. Why exactly we owe illegals what? The Democrats have embraced this as an all out struggle for power, so they don't care what the real consequences are to the country. They don't care about the long term implications other than this is votes, This is an ever enlarging government bureaucracy, and this is power power for the left, which is the one thing they are certain that they want always and at all times.

So I'm pleased that the president right now, and this could change. You know, I'll be on air with you tomorrow. We'll have to see that. Tomorrow night is the deadline. This could change. I you know, yesterday you heard me on this show. I support the president. I was very unhappy with the stance that he was going to sign this continuing resolution. And the word got out. The word

got out. You know, now people know Trump knows he heard, and I've been in communication with people that have said that. You know, the president is paying very close attention to certain voices on this one, and it did not go unnoticed that some of his strongest supporters, with the largest platforms, we're saying that this was an unacceptable sell out of the bass. I said it yesterday and Rising I said it yesterday on this show too. Selling out the base

can't do it. Can't do it because I'm not here to support a person as some cult of personality. I'm here to talk about ideas and to talk about action that will make this a better country and will make people here safer, happier, and more prosperous. We're about results, trying to push for results, convincing people of how to get to them. And the result we were was a wall. We weren't promised a little bit of extra extra paint and you know, speckle and whatever else they gotta put

on the old wall. A new wall, a new barrier, a new fence, secure the border. Look at the ramifications that will have for the rest of immigration policy. Look at how that will change many of the dynamics about interior enforcement and just restoring the rule of law in this country. I have some other breaking news that I have to share with you here, and that is it wasn't to know we're going to talk about this until we went on air. Secretary Defense Maddis has resigned. Not

effective immediately. He's going to wait until a successful transition with a new Secretary Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman can come in. But Secretary of Defense Maddis is out. And it's not because he was tired of the long hours. I'll get into the details of that and more coming up. The President said, what the what the Senate sent over is just kicking the ball, just kicking a can down the road. We want to solve

this problem. We want to make sure we keep the government open, and we're gonna work to have that done and get something happening. Everyone knows the old line fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. But we're gonna have to change that line. We're gonna need a new one. The new line should be fool the American people four times. Shame on Congress. Remember what we did March right the March big omnibus spending bill.

We said, oh no, we're not gonna put the border wall funding on this bill because we're gonna do it in September. Then we get the September Wait, wait a minute, we're not gonna put it on this bill because we're gonna do it on December seventh, and then December sevenths. Come a wait a minute, we're not gonna put the We're not gon to keep our promise. We're not going to put the border funding wall money on that built. And what do we learn today. Now they're talking about

kicking it to February eighth. You've got to be kidding me. Yep, he's right, he's right. How many times do they get to pull the same manuver? This is why I'm usually so cynical about the whole Oh, we'll fight the next time. Talk you know, it's always we'll fight the next time. What about this time? What about getting the wall? Now? We have the Secure Offence Act passing two thousand and six,

bipartisan bill. We used to agree that stopping illegal immigration was good, but Democrats see the writing on the wall. They realize over the long term, illegal immigration benefits them, benefits their base, their party, their power. They don't want this to stop, so we have there's no common ground to be reached with the left on the issue of

border security. They are not in favor of it. In fact, if anything, the only the only reason they want anyone to stop and check in is so they can eventually register for their state benefits i e. Welfare programs. Democrats are all in favor of it, right, taking from you, taking from the taxpayers, giving to people that just God

here we are supposed to be. It seems according to the left the world's soup kitchen, and unfortunately, over time that has real costs and real consequences to our political cohesion and to the sense that a lot of people have at the government is just constantly being dishonest with them.

You know, it isn't an amazing we have on the one hand, all these people who are just so rule of law when it comes to the Logan Act, when it comes to the Emolument's clause, when it comes to Federal Election Commission regulation and disclosure requirements, ooh, you know, they're really really up on all of that, you know, the Hatch Act, the Logan Act. You know, they talk about all these things that they they're strict when when

that benefits something they want. But on immigration, which also includes I would note a lot of document fraud, a lot of tax fraud, a lot of you know, just go down the list. No, when with illegal immigration, the law doesn't matter anymore, The law doesn't really count. There's really two sets of laws for citizens and non citizens. And it's an unacceptable state of affairs, and it's not going to get any better. In fact, it's only going

to get worse. The time to deal with this problem is now I'm glad that Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows and a few others understand it. And thankfully the president. Look, I get it. He wants he wants to go on Christmas break. He wants me to his family. The guy's got a lot, got a lot on his shoulders. But now is the time. Vescholi is also getting in on

the action. You're playing nineteen. We're gonna move today to add language to the bill that the Senate sent over on government funding to add five billion dollars to the wall, as well as the disaster relief funding that's been agreed upon by both the House and Senate for the hurricanes and the wildfires. So we'll move that later on today. This is about secure in America's border. Let's see if we can do it. We're about to enter a fight here,

and we voted for Trump because he's a fighter. I expect him to roll up the sleeves and throw down on this one. He promised a wall. I want that wall, and I'm not going to forget it one way or the other. Let's talk about General Maddis resigning. When we come back from the spring, General Maddis has resigned. This

is a surprise. Obviously, this was not anticipated, and this comes at a time when there's already a lot of a lot of concern over the president's decision to remove troops from Syria, which i'll talk to you about in some detail in the next hour, as well as the possibility of removing troops from other theaters of war. General Maddis has decided that he's not going to be part of this. He's actually written a resignation letter, and I'll give you some of the most important parts of that

in a moment. But this administration has, let's be honest, had a number of very prominent individuals who, well they are very people in very prominent roles who were not up to the task. There are some people who lasted a matter of days in very senior executive branch positions. There has been turnover is always high in the White House, but this White House is exceptionally high when it comes

to turnover. Again. President Trump has always said that he is non traditional, that he is going to have to break some things in the establishment. It's going to be difficult, that's going to be messy. So I think we should give him some leeway for that. And I'm certainly willing to do that. But there have only been a few people in the administration who I think could be said

to receive universal respect. Doesn't mean everyone likes them or agrees with them, but you know, near universal respect perhaps, but broadly generally speaking individuals who are impeccable in their credentials and are men or women of real skill, integrity, honor, and who are true public servants. And I think Mattis

very much falls in that category. I knew of Mattis from when he was commanding in the Iraq Theater of Operations, and you know, the stories about him were things that people would tell each other, and they were always said with a certain pride. You know that the stories about about General Maddis, and some of you probably know the one where he's he sat down with some you know, tribal elders. I think it was in Iraq and he said, you know, I didn't bring And whether this is an

apocryphal quote or not, I don't know. I mean this as people say. You know, Maddis said, you know, I'm basically I did not bring my artillery. I did not come here for war, you know, And I'm begging you with tears in my eyes. Do not mess with me, because I will take any of you out if you do. You know, I mean, he was that was more or less the story. You know. The General Maddis was like, I'm I'm a man who wants peace and stability, but if you mess with me, things will get really ugly,

really fast. People call them mad dog Maddis. Obviously he's got all these different nicknames, and he's going to be leaving the administration. Let me read to you from some of his resignation letter here. Dear mister President, I have been privileged to serve as our country's twenty six Secretary of Defense, which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our

citizens and our ideals. I am proud of the progress that has been made over the last two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy, putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong

US global influence. I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to countries whose strategic interests are increasingly intentioned with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model, gaining veto over other nations economic, diplomatic, and security decisions to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why I mean we must use all the tools of American

power to provide for the common defense. My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity, and values. And we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity

of our alliances. Because you have the right to a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right

for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February twenty eight, twenty nineteen, a date that should allow us, if time, for a successor to be nominated and confirmed, as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events, to include Congressional posture hearings and the

NATO Defense Ministerial Meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September, to ensure stability within the Department.

I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of two point one five million service members and seven hundred thirty two and seventy nine Department of Defense civilians, so that they receive undistracted attention to the Department at all times, so that they can fulfill their critical round the clock mission to protect the American people. I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform,

Signed General John Mattis. James Mattis, sorry, said John my bed Uh. This is a This is not a departure that I think anybody's going to think is a good idea. Well, maybe some people will. Mattis was one of those figures in the administration that people look to and said, there's a steady hand there and somebody who really knows the job. Now,

there are two point one five million service members. There are a lot of people out there with military skills and experience in this country and strategic wisdom knowledge that would be fantastic secretaries of Defense, no question about it. And I have a lot of faith at President Trump for this role in particular, will be sure to find someone who is an excellent pick. But this does come at a time when the opponents of this administration are going to pounce on this and say, see, even Maddis

wasn't willing to stick it out. Even Maddis had had enough, and that will cause some damage to the administration. It's going to be something that I don't think stretches on for that long. But given the political sensitivity of the moment right now, with a shut down the wall and the Muller investigation grinding on, this is not a particularly

helpful story for the administration. That said, I do have to just note as an aside that to do this, to decide that you can no longer in good you know, in good faith, align yourself at the policy of the president, and to say I'm just going to step down, mister President, thank you so much for the honor opportunity, and I'm going to make sure this is a smooth transition. To resign in this way is the honorable thing to do. And I can't remember the last time a cabinet level

official did this. I can't remember, maybe with a with a scandal, but just to offer a resignation in this way because they disagree with the policy administration. So you know, Maddis is a man of honor and this was the honorable thing he felt for him to do in the circumstances. Where does this go next, We'll have to see. But now the Syria decision has even more pressure on it. I'll go into detail about the pluses and minuses of pulling troops out of Syria in the next hour. Be

right back as Republican from the suburbs. It would definitely hurt the Republican Party politically. We would be blamed for this, maybe not in the States that the freedom Carkers represents. But I can tell you in the states where the suburban areas, this is a bad issue out of the twenty twenty elections. They should keep that in mind. You got Congressman King there saying, oh, no Republicans get blamed for the show down? Well is that true? And also

how much should we care? What are the politics at play here? We got an expert joining us, Harlan Hill. He's a political consultant. You also see him frequently on Fox News and he will be guest hosting this show next week, the one and only Harlan Hill. Good to have you on, sir, Great to be with you. Buck. What do you make of this? Man? I mean, here we are, you know, looks like we're actually we were heading into a shotdown, then we weren't. Now we are again.

Is this the right move? Where's the GOP on this? I mean, just break it down? Yeah. So look, it's so simple. I mean, for two years, we've had the House, we had the Senate, and then we've had a president that was ready and willing to sign any funding for the wall, for any border security that Republicans would send his way. And for two years, modern Republicans have advocated their responsibility and their electoral mandate to send the president

a build a sign on this issue. We've gotten some measly funding here and there, but by and large haven't been fulfilling what voters sent them to Washington to do on this issue. And the President said earlier this year that if you know, next time we have one of these shutdown fights, I'm gonna put my foot down and if I have to take responsibility for the shutdown to

get border security funding, I'm willing to do it. And what we saw this morning is the President's following through with his promise of the American people that he's going to take his electoral mandate very seriously. And it's simple. He can't back down on the wall. It is one of the core tenets of the twenty sixteen Trump Revolution, and voters expect him to deliver on this. And so now's the time, because frankly, it's not going to get any easier with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker next year to

get any sort of border security funding. And so now is our opportunity, and Republicans across the board you need to step up, and if that means we'll we have to incurse some short term pain through a shutdown, so be it. That's that's that's the reality we're living in. I mean, we're game is out for me a little bit here. If so, let's say we do go into a shutdown midnight on Friday, Uh, what then should the administration be doing? And what does what does success look like?

I mean, can you foresee a future in which there are, in fact a few billion dollars earmark for wall construction? Or I just feel like Democrats know that to give Trump the ability to to follow through on that promise would be an enormous uh, an enormous wind at his back going into twenty twenty. So I feel like they'll do anything to stop him. But you know, how do you see this playing out? Well, you know, let's play

the calendar to our advantage. If this means that House and Senate Democrats need to stay in Washington, UM to you know, head off a Republican vote on this, then make them stay through the Christmas break. I mean, that's that's you know, that's the option that we have. UM And did you see did you see some of the

politicians today? I think one of them was what's her name from up in Maine, who was like, oh my gosh, we might actually have to work on the twenty on the twenty second, like, yeah, a lot of I'm working on the twenty six. I mean, I got all kinds of stuff I gotta do. Yeah, I mean, look, you guys have kicked out the can down the road for two years on this issue. Now it's the time to

step up. And if you've got to work, the American people have got no sympathy for you, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, okay, because they're out there busting there behinds every day to make ends, meeting to deliver for their bosses. Now it's the time for Congress to deliver to their bosses, the American people. And so let's keep them. If they've got to see in Washington to vote on this.

If Democrats in the Senate needs to stay in Washington to filibuster this because that's what we're up against, because we need sixty votes in the Senate, then then so be it and make them do it. Let's run the clock out however long this takes. But we need to We need leadership in the House and the Senate to step up and do what's needed. And if that means that they've got to, you know, forego some political expedients,

you know what, that's fine. Let's show the American people how serious of an issue this is and that we're gonna do whatever it takes to fix this problem. It's an issue of national security. You know, Harlan, We're going into a divided government scenario in twenty nineteen, first time that President Trump is going to be facing this. Well, you know, you're you're in close contact with the White House. I know you're you're talking to folks over there on

a regular basis. What is the strategy? I mean, how where does the president think that he might be able to make some gains? Uh, obviously they're gonna they're gonna have to play a lot of defense with all the investigations and just the the conspiracy theories and the nuttiness that's going to come out of the Democrat led House of Representatives. And we know this, they've already told this.

That's that's essentially what's going to happen. But what can you tell us about you know, what Trump, what Team Trump is going to try to do in twenty nineteen, and and what does a successful twenty nineteen look like, well the president, I think it's always functioned the best when he doesn't maybe inflate the guidance of some of

his advisors and he relies on his instincts. And we saw that play out this week with the troop withdrawal in Syria, and from the rumors that are being reported by both the Wall Street Journal and CNN this afternoon, it looks like he's going to be withdrawing troops from Afghanistan as well. Potentially, that's the rumor that's gone around, and you know, that flies in the face of what a lot of his his advisors have suggested, but it

fulfills another core promise of the Trump presidency. I think that we're going to continue to see this version of President Trump in going into twenty nineteen. You know, he's the gloves are off. You know, we're not going to worry too much about, you know, the short term political consequences. We're going to just focus on fulfilling the promises of twenty sixteen. And because you know, that's ultimately why he's

in the White House. He had he had a list of promises that gave him an electoral mandate when he won and I think the voter is going into twenty twenty, all the sixty plus million voters that the cast of ballot for President Trump are going to want to see him deliver across all those fronts. And there's there's some real opportunity for us to cut through and find some commonality with Democrats in the House of the Senate, whether

it's on infrastructure or healthcare or some other issues. You know, the wall is a more complicated issue that I don't think that we're going to get Republican times sorry Democrats to come to the table on. But I think that the President will threate the needle and find, um, you know, some things to work with Democrats on if they're willing participants, if they're going to be willing partners at the table.

And that's really the question. If the President gets the wall, I think he's in very good shape for twenty twenty. Do you have concerns though about twenty twenty if the President doesn't get the wall? Harlan, The President's got to deliver on it, and he knows and that's why he's That's why he he's willing to take responsibility for the shutdown. I mean, this poses an existential threat to his election

prospects going into twenty twenty. He knows, he knows that he's got to deliver on the wall materially, not you know, one hundred miles you're there. He's got to deliver on it in some real way to appease his voters because the base is frustrated and he understands that. I understand that. So we've reached the point of no return. Now is the time to deliver on it one way or another at all costs, and that's what he's doing. Harlan Hill,

everybody political consultant. You can follow him on Twitter. Also very excited to have him in next week for a full show here on the bucks X and Show. Harlan, have a very merry Christmas, my friend, and we'll be talking to you next week. Merry Christmas, Thank you team. We'll be right back. But now you've probably heard me talking about snippy dot com. It's a new social media site that isn't going to give third parties access to

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alternative social media. We have continued to manage the investigation as we have in the past, and it's being handled appropriately. It's Bob Mueller or Rod Rosenstein or Matt Whittaker or Bill Barr that investigation. It's going to be handled appropriately by the Permanent Adjustice. The investigation is being conducted in accordance with the Department of Regulation, and nothing anybody says is going to affect that so I believe that investigation

is being handled appropriately under the existing department regulations. So there's all this consternation now from the left. That was Rosenstein there talking about this at the DOJ, about Bill Barr, about Matt Whittaker. Let's break this down, because they show who they really are in this process. We get a real understanding of the liberal mentality throughout all of this because they're not being I mean, they're not honest players in this, and they don't have any consistency. There's no

principle on display. Let me explain. Let's start with Matt Whittaker. Okay, Whittaker is the acting Attorney General, and the big problem they have with him is that, as we all know, the Mueller probe just grinds on continues to be a dark cloud hanging over the Trump administration, bankrupting people, prosecuting people for trivial crimes, pretending that crimes that have never been prosecuted or are rarely prosecuted, or all of a sudden, huge deals because of Trump, you know, I mean, the

selective prosecution that's been on display in the last two years has been insidious. This is the most clear period in my memory that we've seen that the left operates with a double standard of justice, that anytime a Republican can have the law used against him by those within the government bureaucracy, it somehow happens. And on the other side, with Democrats, they always get the benefit of the doubt, or they just get a get out of jail free car. I mean the case of Hillary, it's a get out

of Joe free card. But with Whittaker, they're very upset because he had said in private life he had been critical of the Muller probe and it said that, you know, it would be possible to defund it. They were saying, oh, this is terrible. Now Trump, unlike all the presidents before him, Trump would not be allowed to have an acting cabinet level official while he while he got a new one in place, because they were just essentially changing the rules

all of a sudden. You know, you could only have somebody who already had the advice and consent of the Senate in that role. It just it just didn't make any sense. You notice how it kind of fell away, And now it looks like Whittaker is in fact going to be the act is the acting Attorny general and they've got this guy. Did I say Bill Barr? I might have said Bob Bar Bill Barr, who is slated

to be the next attorney general. Now, Bill Barr is a guy that when Trump nominated him, and this is why you have all this uh that this anger coming out of lives late in the game here. When Trump nominated him, it was like, okay, well, you know, he had been the attorney general under the Bush a under a previous Bush administration, and he is a very well respected guy in terms of his ethics, his jurisprudence, and you know, he's just a guy who the establishment could

not tear apart. Okay, He's a guy that the establishment was not in a role and the Democrats could not credibly point to and say that he's he's some sort of Trump outlier because he had served successfully in the in the Bush administration. So you know, this is a guy who there's nothing they can say about him that does not show what their true feelings are, which is that they know this, I mean deep down where they say it out loud or not, they know that Muller

is a weapon against Trump. That Muller's top people, Weissman and others. They are weapons against Trump, and this is the most effective opposition they could muster against Trump. It's not at the it's not at the ballot box. You know, they couldn't take the Senate in the midterms. It's it's it's not going to be I think, at the ballot box even in twenty twenty. They're trying to use the law to get for them. And really it's not even

the law. It's the prosecutor's office that's different. The law would require the usage of principle, the application of legal principle, which I would be in favor of. But no, they're looking for the application of prosecutorial discretion in their favor, which is a different thing. Right. They're hoping that essentially the prosecutor offices can be harnessed in an anti Trump crusade. And that's why the special prosecutors so so useful for them. I mean, do we do we not see a pattern?

Ear folks, just stepping back from all this for a second. You know, Trump beats Hillary and oh, it's because of Russia and because Trump cheated Bush beat score. Oh it's because of the Supreme Court in Florida, and they cheated We don't pull the they cheated card in presidential elections. We just say, all right, you know, Romney lost, McCain lost. We are willing to be big boys and girls about this. With the left, there's always an excuse. There's always always

because of voter suppression. Where was the voter suppression happening somewhere? Why are you so racist and xenophobic? Why do you hate everything? It's well, that's not really an argument you're making, right, They're just they're just throwing emotions out there and slandering half of the country because half the country does not agree with them about what the government should be doing and about the relationship between citizenship, citizen rather and the government.

But now now Barr is coming up for there's coming up for criticism because he wrote a memo, a memo that said it was a nineteenth page meal that he submitted unsolicited to Department of Justice in which he said, Okay, look the obstruction construction that Mueller is working under. Here this idea that it would be possible for Trump to obstruct the Department of Justice by firing someone than he can fire for any reason or no reason. This is

very important. He has a constitutional right to fire he had one and has one to fire James Comy from being the FBI director because he does not like Comy's tie, which there are much better reasons not to like Comy, but he could do that. So how are you going to say that someone is obstructing justice by firing someone that they can fire for any reason. You know, he's he's correct, he is correct, and he also has a problem. You know, this is all this this unsolicited memo that

he sent to the Justice Department. You know, he has a problem with this notion that they can create a legal protection for somebody within the Department of Justice that would make them unfirable, that Congress could do that. No, you cannot do that. That that is violating the separation of powers. But because he has these good faith legal objections to what's going on that he voiced, now they're saying that that he's They're gonna say he's an unfit

attorney general. Meanwhile, we all know that if he had said the special Counsel is doing great work, it's it's fantastic, and Muller is above reproach, they would say that that's all fine, But isn't that unfair to the administration in some way. Right, Well, why is it that any criticism of what the Democrats like must be recused or is recusal worthy? But support of things that they like, support of their position is just what is what is right? You know that that's what needs to be. That's the

way things should be. And we all with Whittaker. Speaking of recusal, there's a story out today in the Washington Post that says, remember, he's just the acting Attorney General. Barr is supposed to replace him when he can get sent a confirmation in the new year, and there's gonna be oh, get ready for you know, I am Spartak is Part two with Corey Booker. I mean, there's gonna be a lot of grandstanding from the Democrats there. They're

gonna really strutting their stuff. But Whittaker isn't recusing himself from the Russia collusion probe, and Democrats are all upset about that. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here saying they have nothing to be upset about in any in any normal universe, because there is absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing that Whittaker is going to do that would shut down this or or will stop this. At this point, it's too late in

the game. But special counsels can drag on for years and years and years, you know, just looking and looking and looking. I mean, this is what prosecutors do. This is the prosecutorial mindset. So when a DOJ official has opinions that don't line up with what Democrats want, there's a problem. It's unethical. They're not allowed to hold that different opinion, but apply the law. This is the same

thing you see with Supreme Court nominees. There's no litmus test that Democrats have for Supreme Court nominees except you have to be pro abortion. You have to uphold the moral and legal monstrosity that has Roe v. Wade. But but there's no litmus tests. There's no ideological test for Supreme Court nominees. We're seeing an ideological test for the Attorney General. And the ideological test is you have to

be supportive of the insane Russia collusion conspiracy theory. You have to be supportive of Muller's bare knuckle, take no prisoners, highly politicized tactics. You have to be totally fine with Sally Yates and McCabe and Comy coming up with completely bizarre interpretations of law and circumstances to go after people like General Flynn with the Logan Act or by saying that he had been compromised, so now the Russians might be able to blackmail Aman. And this was idiocy, idiocy

from these people. But you know, that's the way it is. When democrats like it the person in power, you know, when they like what the person in power thinks, they're they're fit for the job. When they don't like something that the person that's going to be in power or have prosecutorial discretion says, then they're unfit for the job.

You see, that's what they say. Then they're unfit. And then just reminds me of a of a dispute that I've been having for the last day or so on Twitter, the whole bunch of different journos and lawyers and so

called NATZEC experts national security experts. I just keep saying, and this is not this is not a complicated or controversial point of view, but I know this to be true and feel very strongly about it, that they that nobody should subject themselves to FBI questioning without counsel, essentially without having a lawyer present, or at least getting a lawyer's advice about what's going on. No one should do that.

It is unwise. And you get all these people coming out and we'll work, Oh, why are you making excuses for Flynn? And it's so stupid. Why are you doing that? Or just don't look, just don't lie, just don't lie. I say to them, Well, if the answers just don't lie, why does anybody have a lawyer when they go for

an interrogation with the FBI? Just don't lie. Maybe there's something else that they should be aware of, which is that the FBI, because of the nature of what they're doing and the power they have, is a threat to people who intend to tell the truth but can get caught up in the heat of the moment in an interrogation, can have a memory lapse, And the amount of faith and trust that liberals all of a sudden give to these institutions of law enforcement the federal level that have

so much power is jaw dropping. Keep in mind, the only record of the Flynn conversation we have is what the FBI says it is. And now they're saying it, you know how, many months after the fact, but it's it's now controversial. They hate Flynn and Trump so much that me saying get a lawyer, don't talk to the FBI, which any defense attorney in the country who is not a complete moron will tell you is sound advice. They come after me, they pile on and they say, oh,

you're you're one of those lackeys for Flynn. No telling everybody. Don't speak to the FBI without a lawyer, don't try to get cute. Don't think that you're going to be doing some great public service if they are interrogating you have a lawyer. President, This is sound advice. Do not listen to the idiots out there that think that this is about General Flynn. Flynt just raises the issue. It's a bigger issue, and it's one that you will be very well served if you listen to me on Well,

this is a very bold move for President Trump. It's exactly what he promised the American people. In fact, it's one of the reasons he won the election, that said he's different than so many Republicans that want to be everywhere all the time around the world, that they want us to be the world's policeman, that every war on the planet, we've got to have our soldiers involved with President Trump said he was going to treat America first, and so I think bringing some of that money home,

whether it goes towards border security, whether it goes towards building bridges and roads in our country. See, I think there are a lot of independent voters, a lot of people in the middle and these states that President Trump won, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, these are states had no other Republican one because they want to be at war everywhere all the time. President Trump said, We're going to fight when we have to, but when we win, we're gonna come home. It's an

incredibly bold maneuver. All of the naysayers in Washington will be against him. But guess what if you ask the American people, this is why President Trump won the election. I couldn't agree more with the president's decision. Look, by definition, this is the opposite of an Obama decision. Obama got us involved. Trump's taken us out. Congress has never declared war or authorize the use of military force in Syria.

We shouldn't be there anyway. The pullout from Syria getting a lot of attention, and I have to say I was a little bit concerned initially that this was, if not intentionally, at least in reality, distracting from the discussion that we need to be having about the shutdown and the border wall. Right, that all of a sudden there was all this focus on what's going on in and around Rocca instead of what's going on you know, in and around uh, you know, Laredo and the different sectors

of of the of the border. Um. Well, I was just trying to think of some place I couldn't think of anywhere with an R along the border of the off the fly, and I know Laredo is you know, you're like, why why do you go to that one? Buck? I don't know. It just came to mind because I probably should have said, what's what, John, what's the the city that's across from Warez. That's the one I was trying to think of, you know, what's across from you know,

the one that's right there? Isn't that? Uh? El Paso? I don't know El Paso? Thank you, John, you know good Man, good man. Um. But there's been all this focus on Syria. So I want to in the in the spirit of giving you as as much worthwhile information as I can. I mean, I want to tell you what the the upside is of pulling out of Syria and the downside as a pulling out of Syria. But

I'll start with the with the upside of it. And I think that there he had two Senators Mike Lee and Rampaul, who were saying that just on a on a principle level, we shouldn't be involved in endless conflicts all over the world, in places where there has been no congressional authorization and in places where or you know,

us interests are are limited at best. And right now, I understand it's easy to it's easy enough to look at what's going on in Syria and to say, you know what, the truth is that in Syria, you know, we're we're not taking a lot of casualties, we're not doing a ton of frontline combat. I mean, I know there's stuff going on with special operations, but we're you know, it's not like we're moving division level units around in theater.

And so it's easy to start to think, well, this, this is relatively low cost, at least in terms of our soul or getting wounded or killed, which is the single most important consideration about these kinds of deployments that we should have. And I just remind everyone that all it takes is one big truck bomb to get parked or you know, driven into a facility with US troops, and you could lose one hundred, two hundred five hundred troops in one day. I mean, that has happened before.

Think back to Reagan's intervention in Lebanon, right next door to Syria in the Levant, and Reagan ended up pulling out. We're like, you know what this is. This is a nasty civil war. This is not our thing where we're out. And I think that under the circumstances, he made the right move. We could always make a case to stay forever. You know, we could always make the case that American troops will make a country safer than it would otherwise be.

We can make a case that it would make it less likely for a vacuum to be filled by nefarious outside actors. And I want to I'm going to continue on with this in in just a moment to he so stay with me. This is a huge strategic mistake that I hope the President is willing to reconsider, and if he does not, I believe with some degree of confidence that he'll come to regret this decision. I mean, clearly, we're repeating the Obama mistake of premature withdrawal, which got

us ISIS. It is a misstatement to say that ISIS is defeated in Syria. What is accurate is we have destroyed their safe haven in Rocca, and we have now taken down a town of Hajiene, which we ISIS put up a fight for over two months, which demonstrates their determination and resilience, and they have there's remnants of ISIS still in the area. In my judgment, we need to

stick to it and finish the job, all right. So let's get to the other side of this, this Syria withdrawal decision, and that is the possibility that this will lead to a rebound with the Islamic State and then we'll be dealing with the nightmare once again of a caliphate that, remember, wasn't just a threat to the region, but very quickly turned into a launch pad for international terrorist attacks, including some of the mass casualty attacks that

happened in Europe and the inspiration for mass casualty attacks like the one in San Bernardino, California, the one at the Pulse nightclub in Florida, here on US soil. That beacon of jihad in Syria that the Islamic State formed had a very bloody cost, well outside of the Syrian theater of operations. So I understand that threat in that concern. That's the primary reason that I think people are worried

about US pulling out from Syria too quickly. Now, I do believe that it would be possible to phase out, and that's what the President may say. Right he said all right, we're pulling out. I think he's going to revisit this and say, we are pulling out, but we'll give this, you know, two months to get down by a thousand, another, you know, month to get down by five hundred. I think he's going to do a phased withdrawal. I don't believe. And this is just my it's just

my gut. I don't believe that he's going to say all right, everybody, you're out of there, You're you're done, because there could be some some bad ramifications to that, which is what we're talking about now. Right on the plus side, we shouldn't be fight uh, you know, we we've done a lot to defeat the Islamic state, this and this is there's a lot of debate about this because the President said, you know, we've defeated ISIS, and now you've got all these people who are coming out

of the woodwork and saying, no, we haven't defeated IIS. Yes. The estimate of the standing strength of the Islamic States fighters about twenty to thirty thousand, which is pretty close to what it was at the start of the blitz. Creek into a rock from Syria nextdoor buy the Islamics State, but the territory is much smaller, which means their ability to draw upon resources and to terrorize civilian populations as much less than it was. They are a much more

contained threat than they were. And if if defeat is eradication, I'm here to tell you that we're never going to get there. I mean not in any reasonable timeframe. If the defeat of the Islamic State is something that we could only we could only claim when there is nobody who is an adherent of ISIS and its ideology left, when everyone has either been captured, killed, taken off the battlefield one way or another. Then we're going to be

fighting in Syria for the next twenty years. So that's that's say, you know that that's an unrealistic definition of what success in Syria would be. That's an unrealistic version. And we have taken Roca other capital, and this has been done large because of the Kurds. Now there's another component of this. I mean, you've got the vacuum issue.

What would happen if we pull out too quickly and then all of a sudden there's space for ices to rearm and re equip and start terrorizing villages in the area, taking back territory. But keep in mind they have ASSAD and Russia and Iran backing ASSAD also pressuring the Islamic State, so it's not like they would just be able to overrun the whole country. The Syrian Defense Force Syrian Defense Forces,

the SDP is about seventy thousand people right now. I mean, they've got a considerable fighting force that's had a lot of US assistance and military tutelage, so that is hopefully able to keep things from boiling over in Syria. But then there's there's an additional layer. Right talking about Syria, talking to the civil War, there's a lot of complexity here. There's an additional layer, and that is. How does Turkey are so called NATO ally right? I mean they're an

ally kind of Turkey. Uh. People who've been listening for a long time. No, I've had I've had problems with the Turkish government, Turkish regime for a very long time. The Turks have been They're not quite at the Pakistan level of friend of me, but they're trending in that direction. I mean, they do some things that are helpful, they do a lot of things that are not helpful, and they are far too cozy with Islamists and extremists in the whole region. So and they have and they have

grandiose ambitions for Turkish regional hegemony. Don't don't think they don't. The Turks have a very high opinion of their importance to the to the Mid East, and to the Mediterranean basin. But Lindsey Graham and Bob Corker raised another concern here, and it's about Turkey. Play play clip five. Iran's gonna be really happy and the Isis folks have got a shot in the arm and Turkey is licking their chops.

If you're an American who believes that we need keep the war over there, not here, bad day for you. I think we're all just in shock that we would leave the FDF hanging, the Kurds and others who've been doing what they're doing, to leave them to basically Assad

and to Turkey. Now. I have a degree of a particular degree of respect and even some nostalgia for my time with the Kurds, and I know that the Kurdish people have been allies to the US in Iraq and now in Syria when we really needed allies on the ground in the region, and the Kurds will fight bravely. The Kurds have been operating a civilized sector of Iraq even through the worst parts of the insurgency. I mean, you could go to Kurdistan, which is not officially a place,

but it might as well be. You spend time in places like Urbil or Sulimania, and you might as well. I mean, the Church would like this. We might as well be in Turkey in terms of safety and you know, the overall feeling of the place. And that's a testament to the Kurdish people. They've been very strong counter terrorism allies with us. They've been doing a lot for us for a very long time. And I think we have a debt of honor to the Kurdish people, and the

Turks hate the Kurds. This stretches back for many decades. It's a longstanding ethnic and cultural conflict. And there's been a Turkish separatist I mean a Kurdish separatist movement in southern Turkey that's claimed many thousands of lives over the over decades fighting against them. The you know, the PKK, they're kind of a Marxist separatist group, and the Turks are just get apoplectic about them. They say they're terrorists,

just like any other terrorist group. Meanwhile, the militia that we're fighting with on the ground in Syria, the Turks say it is essentially this this Turkish, this Turkish i'm sorry, Kurdish terrorist group. We say, no, that's not fair, and and these guys are doing great fighting against the Islamic State. So there is this concern that the Turks, if we don't have US troops there, the Turks are just going to come in and have a real incursion and kill

a lot of our Kurdish friends on the ground. And I find that unacceptable. But if we don't have US troops there, because here's the thing the Turks launch an air strike at a at a US Kurdish base in Syria and they kill some of our people, they have a massive problem on their hands and they know that. And you know, the next time a Turkish plane flies over Syrian sky, it's it's probably not gonna let's just say, it's not gonna land as planned. The Turks know that.

So that's you know, that's the the bulwark, that's the safety measure that's in place there for a Kurdish allies. If we pull out US troops. Now, now the Turks all of a sudden might say, you know what, yeah, America is going to complain about it. But as long as we don't kill any of their people on the ground, if we're just killing Kurds, that's our problem. We care about it more. And you know, Er Towan is a

very unsteady allies. So so I understand that concern, and I'm very sympathetic to that concern because I think that we show you know, we show allies one because of honor, but also because of the optics of it to the rest of our allies in the region around the world. How we treat them matters, you know, what we do to our allies, real allies that are doing fighting, they're taking losses, fighting side by side with our people. It

matters how we treat them. So that that that's a that's a that's a sticky issue, that's a complicating factor in this whole Syria withdrawal issue. And you know, then you've got Rubio and Graham who are just completely utterly opposed to this and say it's a horrible idea. Play eight. I believe it is a catastrophic mistake that will have grave consequences for the United States, for our interests, and for our allies in the months and years to come. To those who say we have defeated ISIS in Syria,

that is a inaccurate statement. They have been hurt, they have been degraded. And I give the President all the credit in the world for changing our policies regarding the fight against ISIS, but I will not buy into the narrative that they have been defeated in Syria Iraq. Defeat is not something you're really going to see with an insurgency like this. Suppression and stabilization is what you should be shooting for. I think that Trump is right on

the strategy. I think he might be wrong on the timing, meaning we should begin to think about withdrawing US troops from Syria and put in place how that's going to happen. That's it, and people should know that that's going to happen. You know, the people that are involved there should understand that they're going to be coming home, and we will

have troops next door in Iraq. If things really spile out of control, we get five thousand troops in Iraq, can launch air strikes, can go all kinds of things. And I'm sure that even if we officially withdraw, we'll probably have some some folks left behind to work with our allies that just aren't particularly publicized in Syria. But Trump is right to stop this mentality of we're going to be in these countries forever. We got other things

to do, other places to have our people. We should not fall into this trap of endless war in countless places. So maybe give it a couple more months. I think Trump may do that, but by and large, we do need to come out of Syria. And he's getting bad advice. They know that he's promised not once, not twice, but three different times that he would get border wall funding. And here we are about to punt, and I would argue it's not a punt. A punt actually helps improve

the field advantage. This is a fumble, and we need to make sure that the President stays firm. And a lot of people are very nervous this morning about whether the President will cave or not. We failed, we fumbled, and I can tell you that the President was exactly right on this. I talked to the President a week ago and he says, Mark, what we need to do is go ahead and pass something out of the House. I got on the phone that morning, I talked to

Leader McCarthy, I talked to Speaker Ryan. I said, let's go ahead and fund the wall. Whether it's five billion or twenty five billion, let's go ahead and pass something out of the House. And you know what we heard from that nothing. We have more than twenty nine more Republicans than Democrats. Last week, we could have passed and we didn't. Could have passed it and didn't missed opportunities. You know. The the truth is that you never want

to do what your enemy wants you to do. And I know people say, oh, Puck, don't call the Democrats enemies, you know what I mean. You don't do what your opponent wants you to do if you plan on winning. And the Democrats, sure as heck, do not want Trump to get that wall because they know that if he gets the wall, twenty twenty becomes a replay of twenty sixteen.

And if that happens, and you add the actual construction, the ongoing construction of a wall into that situation, absence some you know, horrific economic situation or you know who knows, But in a in all likelihood, Trump will coast to victory. Trump will probably even you know, I don't know what other states he'd pick up, but he might even win everything he won in twenty sixteen, and add a couple more into the mix. Certainly, certainly feasible, could certainly happen

that way. So that's why, you know, this is not the time to get weak, kneed. This is not the time for spines to go like jellyfish. And I think Mark Mark Meadows understands that, and he knows that this is this is the time to have this fight, and

that border security really matters. You know, We're just I was just talking about about Syria, and I I can't help but notice how many people whose whose role in public life is to try and inform people and analyze what's going on with our government, and they they are so much more concerned with Syria and the you know, the threat to you know, our our allies in the region, the threat to Israel, net Store, the Iranian expansion that would occur if we so much more concerned about that

than what is going on at our border. And I keep hitting on these points about look at what the cartel activity is doing, Look at all the deaths. You know, for every person that dies of a drug overdose, there are a number of people whose lives are shattered, family members, spouses, children, lives are shattered, you know, mothers and fathers that are now walking around bearing those emotional, those psychological scars. Their

lives are never the same. I mean, the cost of the situation the border to the American people is so much greater than the stakes for what's happening in Syria. And yet we're told that funding for Syria is a funding for the wall. Rather, funding for the border is a distraction, staying the course in Syria, staying the course in Afghanistan too. That's more important than what's going on on our own self border that's affecting lives across the

country every day, economically, politically, national security. I also have seen this, this rumor that's getting some play today that Trump also wants to pull troops out of Afghanistan. I gotta tell you something, we are not going to win the war in Afghanistan. If we think we're going to

eradicate the Taliban, It's never happening. It's not happening. So the choices are status quo occupation for all time, essentially established major military base or bases there and just keep keep US troops there on an ongoing basis, or come home. Those are the choice. There is no victory over the

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up these high on drugs on Friday. Seeing his prior deportations I issued a detainer, but ten hours later the sheriff released him because the sanctuary law banned him from honoring that entertainer released where we stole three hundred rounds of ammunition, shot six, killed two, then injured three more before dying in a car chase, none of which would have happened, says the sheriff without this law that prohibited him from communicating with Ice. When a criminal alien is

released has been removed from our hands. And because of that, our county was shot up by a violent criminal. They could have easily been prevented had we had the opportunity to reach out to our fellow counterparts. You mean that sanctuary city policies come with a cost. Illegal immigration isn't just about an endless flow of hard working, god fearing valedictorians that if you don't want here, you are a heartless evil heathen. What a surprise? Well what does this

tell us? What should we be disgusted when it comes to immigration in the border. I want to bring somebody on who's down in Texas so he can give us his perspective on things. The one and only Jesse Kelly. He is a former Marine also former Congressional candidate, and he hosts a wonderful radio show himself on nine fifty KPRC in Houston, the Jesse Kelly Show. Jesse, good to

have you back. It's great to be here man. And it is extra bad, extra horrible when somebody who's not supposed to be here does something terrible to a citizen in this country, multiple citizens. And it's extra extra bad when you realize that we actually had him, we had him in our hands, and insane liberal laws kicked him right back out on the street to kill again. And none of these people are ever held accountable for what

they do. Well, that's that's exactly where we're want to go of this is that I keep trying to to hammer this point that liberals start with a fundamentally false premise on illegal immigration, and that is that there is no downside to this, and it's it's a it's astonishing, Jesse because when you when you push them on specific issues, you know, yeah, you'll get them to admit You'll get them to admit that, Okay, sure, there are some MS thirteen members that come into the country, there's some drug

cartel activity, but they always start from this premise of no, no no, no, this is this is a good thing. And then when you look at sanctuary city policy, you look at what's going on at the border day in and day out with people who are coming in in abusing the system, claiming asylum who shouldn't get it. There are a lot of costs here, and yet the other side never even discusses the costs. I mean, you'll notice this.

You never hear Democrats say, you know what, you're right, it's putting a strain on some communities to have so many illegal immigrants coming in. It's hurting Americans who are dying by the tens of thousands now from opioid overdoses, which are overwhelmingly drugs from the cartels. They don't even start from a place of honesty in this conversation. They don't because honest, if they were honest about it, you'd

know you have to secure a border. That's not even a Republican or Democrats, or at least it used to nap. I mean, people seem to forget like in the sixties and the sifties and sixties and before that, both parties were strong border security parties. This is not the normal Democrat party. This party is just simply gone in saying every country in the history of the world has acknowledged they have to secure a border, a border as part of what makes you a sovereign nation. Only this modern

day insane Democrat party has gone this routed. It's sad. It's sad to see because it's really an impossible win. It makes it impossible to ever get any real border security when you're constantly fighting half the country who wants

the border wide open. And I was just watching earlier today to see it's just so I could keep tabs on what's going on with Congress and this possible shutdown, and Shepherd Smith was on his show and he just just dropped casually in his conversation with one of his guests, he goes, well, experts say waltz don't work. And I keep hearing this from people as though this is a

different Like the science is settled. Walls don't work. I have personally been told by the head of Border Patrol, by the head of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, that a wall would be very helpful. So do you who are these experts? I mean, are we just talking about you know, open borders activists and people that are are funded by you know, the Open Society Foundation, Like, who are these border experts that say walls don't work? I see a plaud him because he found the same experts. This is

the Obama model. Obama used to do this all the time of Well, all the experts say that I'm eleven feet tall and bulletproof, and nobody ever would ask him. Okay, which expert? That's not nearly all the experts Saying walls don't work is the dumbest thing in the history of mankind, because every single society in the history of the world has had some sort of wall and barrier, specifically because they worked. If they stopped working, I'm pretty sure humanity

would have stopped using them about five thousand years ago. Yeah, walled cities were really the basis of modern civilization for a long time. So yes, it is true. People could storm the walls, they could use battering rams, they could tunnel under them. But they were like, you know what, We're gonna give up this whole wall idea. This isn't working. It is crazy, and that's the next route they go, and it makes their original arguments sound even worse when

they say, well they'll ladder over them. Well, no, one said, it's full proof. I mean, of course, you create new obstacles for them, and people do have to understand the walls are critical in the urban areas. Yeah, they're fine in the rural areas, but normally the border patrol has time to respond to the rural area. In the urban areas, you have to have a physical barrier. Otherwise one state crossed,

they melt into the population and they are gone. If you do not have some sort of serious physical wall, fence, triple fence, whatever you want to call it, in an urban area, you cannot secure the border ever, can't be done. I mean, Jesse, how long how long a driver are you from the border right now? I mean you're down you're actually in a border state, really the primary border state. You know how long are taking to get down there?

I've four hours from the border, and I ran for Congress back in Tucson, where I was an hour and a half two hours from the border, and I've because of that run for office, I've spent plenty of time on the border and meeting with border patrol and so on. So yeah, it's I've done enough border time to know you'd you'd be really really sad if you saw the way we protect this country we had. Yeah, that's I

was gonna say. I'm sure you've been to the areas where it's like, hey, here's the border, and you could take a photo and it's just there's nothing there. There is that you've seen. Everybody's seen, I'm assuming savent Private Saving Private Ryan, and you've seen those basically steel beam X looking things on the beaches when they land at Normandy.

I am not exaggerating. That is what consists of a border fence in several areas of at least the Tucson sector of the border, because we would have to go down there and tour it, and there'll just be miles for a mile as far as you could see that you or I or a two year old child could get through in a half a second. It's not even a barrier. I don't know why you don't just hold up a welcome sign, Jesse, very important question for your switching gears for a second here, what is the best

season of Narco so farking of the Border. It's got to be the original. Now, I love the new Narcos Mexico because the Mexican cartel thing really, really fascinates, maybe because people who don't understand how new the idea of

a Mexican cartel is. There have always been drugs there, and they have always been crime and corruption, but really an organized cartel did not start until the eighties there when they decided that that was a great place they could they could be powerful by running all the Colombian cokes through Mexico. So I love the new Narcos Mexico, but the original one with Pablo Escobar. I eat up

editing cartel, and Pablo Escobar is just a fascinating human being. Well, you know the reason the Mexican cartel was so the cartel's plural were so successful. And I keep trying to remind people that last year was the most violent year in Mexico's modern history for murders. So the cartel activity is sky high. It's because there's so much money being made off of well, a bunch of different drugs, mostly heroin and synthetic the synthetic variants the opioids that they make.

And the reason they can get into the countries because we got an unsecured border. It's a lot easier to bring it across the border than it is to fly it in from Cartajeno or from Metaean or wherever. And so you know, it just goes to show you that, in a sense, the drug war, the market has spoken, our southern border is our week underbelly. Because that's why

the Mexican cartels are so powerful. Ride And it's funny you brought that up, because the reason they are so powerful, the reason they became the trafficking area, was because we shut down Cuba. Cuba was the place where we were hauling in almost all the cocaine the United States was consuming, especially in the nineteen seventies. Everybody's seen, you know, Miami bias with the drug boats and stuff. I mean that was real. Miami is built on cocaine money. That is,

it's for real. And we found a way to lock it down. And they looked around and say, well, wait a minute, why would we mess around with floating in the Caribbean and the boats and the coast guard, but we should just walking right across the southern border. These idiots don't even guard the border. Yep. So Jessee, before we let you go, because it's obviously about to be Christmas. What is Christmas celebration like in the Kelly Household. What do you guys do do you do? You have your kids?

You know, do lots of push ups? You guys watch football? What do you guys do you know? It's as unexciting now and laid back has ever seen. I always did the thing when I was a kid of it was just me, my sister, my folks, laid back. But since I've been married, I've had to do the marriage you're gonna you're gonna experience this pal, I've had to do them married and married with kids thing where one year you have to fly back to where her parents are.

The next year of your pigeon. It's in Christmas just sucks where you're traveling all the time. Last year, I've put my foot down no more. We wake up kiddo's open presence. Dada drinks a cup of coffee with some musky inside of it. We eat sent him and rolls and then we do a movie because, no doubt, because of the movies on Christmas Day and all the good movies are out. We picked a movie and we go around noon or one what do you do you know what the movie is gonna be already this year an aquaman.

We already I have Look, I have kids, so I'm limited to anything basically PG or roughly PG thirteen. So Aquaman Aquaman, all right? You know it made like two hundred and fifty million dollars in China. By the way, Well, any superhero movie makes big money now because it's to be honest, it's one of the only movies that one parents can take their kids do. And two you don't get browbeaten with any politics of any kind, not left, not right. You just go and just enjoy some dumb

explosions and whatnot and walk out. It's just enjoyable what a movie is supposed to be. And what is the proper food to eat on Christmas Day? Well, Buck, you know I'm pretty classy, so I'll probably pick up a little Caesar's pizza. Maybe it was some crazy bread as well. I have no doubt we're going to be eating steak at some point in time. Don't waste your time with ham or turkey. Evil, that's a lie. You say you'd rather have ham or a turkey over steak, you're a

ball faced. Later, Wow, he's calling out. He's calling out the roast ham, folks, or the baked ham. Sorry, I keep saying roast ham, baked ham, baked all right, United States of America would look at a baked ham and a sizzling prime rib and picked the bake cam. No, but Jesse Kelly controversial but truthtelling as always Jesse Kelly. Everybody listened to him nine fifty KPRC in Houston. You

can also follow him on Twitter. Look for his stuff on the Federalist Jesse, Merry Christmas to you and yours. My friend will talk to you in the new year. Merry Christmas for brother. You know, after I just talked to Jesse Kelly there, I remembered I had an exchange with one of these border bizarros or earlier today. You may be familiar with someone by the name of Max Boot these days only because he is a quote former

conservative who is now an unhinged Trump hater. In fact, he is such a Trump hater that on my show where I am a conservative and sitting next to me is a wonderful lady named Crystal who is very liberal. He thought that both of us because we asked him real questions must be in his words, trump VOTs, using

Trump talking points to undercut his arguments. Meanwhile, I mean this guy's having essentially a public breakdown in front of the nation because he's no longer that important, what, however important he thought he was before when he was writing articles for various neo conservative causes and publications. Now, as a Trump hater who has defected to the left, he's going to find that he's only useful to them for a short period of time and only as a weapon

against Trump. But he appeared on my show this morning for his book, The Corrosion of Conservatism, and we got to talking about the border. Now. I want you to pay very close attention to this exchange, and just notice does he answer the questions, does he even try to deal with the substance, or does he become smug and condescending despite the fact that his knowledge of immigration in the border is apparently very lacking, play it well. In the first place, there is not a crisis at our

southern border. Illegal immigration is down eighty percent from the year two thousand. It is much lower than it was then. Ousters not have hes okay, there's no crisis, because he says immigration was at was a lot higher. Illegal immigration was a lot higher twenty years ago. It's like, okay, Dufus. Let's let's take this piece by piece. First of all, illegal immigration via overstays of visas is at half a million a year, so you've got to count that into

whatever figure you think you're giving me. And last month there were sixteen thousand family units, about fifty or sixty thousand people that showed up at the border who were claiming asylum. They are not counted as illegals yet because they are legally going through the process unless they are in fact caught entering the country illegal, if they turned

themselves into a poor ati entry, they're not counted. But more to the point, we already have he says, twelve or thirteen million, at least he got that one a little closer. It's more like twenty million. So we were already even flooded with illegal immigrants for almost the last well you call it the last thirty years, since the last amnesty, the last twenty years plus. And so now the argument is, well there used to be more. That doesn't seem like a very good argument at all to me.

But keep playing it, John, And we do not have a crisis. We should certainly have borders security. Nobody argues for open borders that's a myth that Donald Trump puts out there. Pause, hold on. People argue for open borders all the time. I know libertarians who argue for open borders. I spoke to activists on the street protesting Stephen Miller who were straight up saying they want open borders. Keep playing.

We need to have as a path to legalization for the twelve to thirteen million illegal immigrants already in this country because nobody's going to remove them, including Donald Trump, and I think we need to have continue with border security, maybe strengthen it a bit. Although the wall is a farcical idea that would waste tens of billions of dollars that we don't have. So should we tear down the wall in San Diego where the caravan was recently essentially

parked and stopped? Should we get rid of that wall too? Well, again, you're you're making things up. There's not really a wall in in San Diego. There is a small sector there's a border barrier that keeps people, very small border barrier in in San Diego, which is not related to Donald Trump's to two things. Pause here, Notice how I mean I'm referred to a wall. Yeah, it's a triple layer fence. It's a barrier. I mean, that's just that's just sophistry, right,

He's just being a pain. This guy is a total jerk. By the way, here's the reason that so many people hate Conservatism, guys like him, who aren't particularly eloquent or interesting and don't have nearly as wide a knowledge base as they seem to think they do. But yeah, so he wants to play semantics games with wall versus fence. That's really useful. And then he says it has nothing to do with Trump. That's obviously not the point. The

point is he says a wall is farcicle. Meanwhile, the wall in the San Diego sector has dropped illegal crossing ninety keep playing it. Phony promises to build a wall along the entire length of I just want to know why that's worth a billion dollars. Well, a wall here, let me explain it to you in simple terms. You can have appropriate barriers in certain and in certain places, maybe the appropriate barrier is a wall. But what Donald Trump was peddling was nonsense to suggest that. Here. Okay,

now we're back to Trump. This guy's unhinged. I'm just saying there's a wall that works in one place, Why are you saying a wall's a farcical idea? In other places? No one's saying it's all going to be built at once. Anyway, this guy's a perfect example of it. Thinks he's smart, is actually a clown, is snide, and is a laughing now on both sides. So Max boot you got booted, son.

I've gotten pretty used to the President tweeting out some things that you you wouldn't necessarily expect the President of the United States to tweet. You know, I've definitely seen my fair share of things now from this president that I go, oh wow, that is a thing that he just shared on the Twitter. Who knew? Who knew that such a thing could happen with the leader of the free world. But this one today was what are those fun?

Reminders of the fact that this president had quite a quite a life as a celebrity before he became the president of the United States. This was from President Trump's own Twitter account, a throwback Thursday video clip he shared of him singing at the Emmys with Molly Malay play it the far living is the life for me? Let's spread out so far? And why keep being hot? Just give me that countryside. That was President Trump singing, It's amazing,

you know. I was just talking to some colleagues today about this at the Hill and how no matter what you think of the president at how much you like the President's policies, ideas, demeanor or dislike it, he is in the whole situation is amazing and we do live in And I guess this is also what are those rare times we're all stop and say, for all the problems that we have, for all the things that we talk about on this show that are very real concerns, issues,

things to tackle and fix, we are living in a period of amazing prosperity and relative peace. I was thinking today as I was all my way to the office very early in the morning, and I will lie I was having a little pity party in my head for woe is me. It's five am. I didn't get to sleep until past midnight. I'm tired, it's cold, it's still dark outside. And I thought, well, I'm going into a TV studio a few blocks from the White House in Washington, DC.

And if this had been a different time period, I could have say been a few days into the Battle of the Bulch, which sure many of you recall, was a World War two battle that was during the freezing cold winter December sixteenth, nineteen forty four, and the Nazis last ditch major offensive to try and turn the tide of World War Two in the Western Front. And I remember interviewing a couple of survivors of the Battle of

the Bolt and just how they couldn't get warm. They were cold all the time, and there was always a thread of German artillery, German shelling, and that's what they were living with there today. So while I'm not generally somebody who says, you know, things could be worse, you could get eaten by a shark, which is technically true, we are living in an amazing time, a very interesting time,

but also one in which we've had incredible prosperity. And this country, for all of the all of the issues that need to be fixed, in all of the areas of fear and injustice and problems that we have, this is an amazing time to be an American and we haven't been saddled with a major global conflict. So I just would note that we should all be a little thankful as we go into Christmas even though I know it's not Thanksgiving. You know what I mean, Team, it's

time for roll call. I can just feel that Christmas spirit in the air. Team, it is, it is here, it is upon us. We are in the home stretch. Soon we will be celebrating in whatever way we choose to celebrate. Man, Christmas, Tom, it is here. I'm so excited. I'm going to sleep, I'm going to eat, I'm going to be with friends and family. And it's been it's been quite a year, quite a year. And then on New Year's Eve, I had this amazing plan that I

want to share with you. New Year's Eve, I'm going to just eat a really nice dinner and watch some stuff on TV, and go to sleep around eleven o'clock. That's my idea. Miss Molly's on board for it too. That's my idea of a perfect New Year's Eve. I do not get all wrapped up. If you're going to a party, I hope you have a great time. I've just been to so many New Year's Eve parties, and I think that, second only to prom in high school, New Year's Eve is the most overhyped and most disappointing

night that exists in American culture. But let's get to your roll call thoughts. Mesa. First up, Hey Buck, I've been listening to your show and bits and pieces for about a year. I catch it on my way home from work around eight pm on talk radio. I'm just now figuring out that your show is a podcast and now I listen to the whole show during the day while I drive my ups truck. I'm just curious if you record it live. If so, what time, If not,

what time and where do you release it? Right now, I'm listening on iHeartRadio and usually checking throughout the day to see if it's up yet. Sorry for the questions. Love your show, Mesa, Well, you know, Mesa, what it

is is. The show is a live show, but there's a podcast of the show that's up after and sometimes I'm able to do a little bit of the show, maybe some interviews here or there in advance, but the whole show is on a podcast that you can listen to every day, and the podcast should go up a little bit earlier than the show finishes. In your market, it depends on where you are, but we should have the show up most nights by about oh eight pm Eastern on the whole show, and we're trying to get

it out earlier and earlier. Marie, thank you for listening, by the way, I hope you enjoy the podcast. Marie writes, already awake and listening to last night's podcast. Agree also sad about the wall and Trump dropping the ball. Tonight, while we listen and wrap gifts, we're gonna have a little drinking game and take a shot of Spike eggnog every time you say, never forget at Scooter Libby. Aha, Oh, you're right, Marie. I am particularly irascible about the way

that Scooter Libby was treated by the last special counsel. Seriously, he's important to you. Was the injustice against him something that gave you a heart for exposing wrongdoing? Inquiring minds want to know, you know, Marie, I had to deal with the internal investigative bureaucracy in a few different ways during my time at the CIA and then at the NYPD. And there is this mentality for those who are lifelong bureaucrats that they do some great service by harassing and

even sometimes terrorizing and destroying the careers of good public servants. Now, I was never on the wrong side of regulations or certainly the law at either institution. But I know what it's like when for political reasons, you get dragged in the middle of something and people are trying to make a name for themselves and they forget that there's a process in place, but the end goal of that process is supposed to be justice, and just the process itself

is not the end in and of itself. So that's I think, one way of And then also the lies around the whole Scooter Libby thing and people that were saying that he was a trader and that he'd sold out his country and there was no evidence for that whatsoever. And people still to this day, including journalists some of whom I've come across who claimed to have covered this case specifically, they think that Scooter would betrayed his country

and lied. It's really hard to betray your country by outing someone who was outed by somebody else in a newspaper that has nothing to do with you, right, that would be It's a difficult thing to do, you know. It's a difficult thing to be the one who spills the beans when the beans were already spilled by somebody else, not by you. So I think that's a pretty straightforward rundown of of why it is that I feel that way, and also just a fits Gerrold went after Conrad Black,

he went after Scooter Libby. I mean, these there's a lot of these sanctimonious democrats in prosecutors trappings who go on these very high end, very high level political hunting expeditions, and it's a disgrace and it makes me not trust the Justice Department, which is supposed to be the institution that I think we all, after the military, perhaps all have the most faith in its fairness, and I have almost no faith in the DJ when it comes to

dealing with highly sensitive political cases. I'm not talking about drugs and murders and things like that. They can handle that stuff just fine. Fortunately, there's not much of a pro murder constituency out there, so it's not a political issue. But there is certainly a food fight that is underway right now over using corruption charges as a means of settling electoral scores, and I just I find that really

disturbed being and it bothers me to no end. But you know, I've told you before about the case that I was involved in, and I can't get into the specifics, but where someone who wasn't guilty of any terrorists wrongdoing and was a few people removed from an actual, an actual bad guy, they were thinking about going after him. This is on the law enforcement side for a mortgage fraud.

And the guy was functionally illiterate and had actually paid all of the you know, all of the mortgage debt on the product, or was paying it off on time, and essentially was a straw purchaser or straw mortgage purchaser for somebody else. And they were thinking about, you know, sending him away for ten years, or at least charging him where he could. He wouldn't have gotten ten years, but they would have charged him with a ten year offense.

And I just realized that people get so close to the bureaucracy, and they become so enmeshed in their day to day and in their mission that they sometimes forget that, you know, there are human beings involved here. And it's not just because it's the Christmas season, but every season we should remember compassion and kindness and mercy. These are

things that should never be discarded. These are not traits, these are not ways of being that, Oh I'm just I'm just a man doing a job should eliminate your sense of decency to your fellow human beings, and mercy and compassion certainly go along with that. I mean, this is one of the reasons why I in a very different way. This is a much less serious thing. But I try not to go after people so much on Twitter,

even though people come after me all the time. I try to make it about issues and things and thoughts, because I take no joy out of out of being nasty to people. Some people, you know, you need you need to tune up a little bit, need to give them a little verbal slap around. But for the most part, I try to avoid. I don't like dragging people who have said something stupid on Twitter. I don't like dragging them as a person what they say, sure, but them as a person. You know. I don't make fun of

people's appearance. I mean, I put these these are guidelines in place, and I'm not saying I'm perfect, and I certainly fall short of it sometimes, but we've it's important to maintain or at least have those guidelines. You know, don't make fun of your political opponents appearance, don't go after you know their family, or make light of personal tragedy. Or you know, these are important things for all of us, at least I believe. Richie writes, Buck, you're a good guy.

Stay away from the scooters and out of communist West Hollywood. Also, make sure you watch the original Battlestar galact Galactica Middle mini series. It's not completely necessary for enjoyment, but I think it's important for the totality of the Battlestar Galactica experience. Honestly, I don't see you as a sci fi type, and I bet you probably know nothing of the original ABC series, but one can hope. You know, Richie, I'm actually I

just finished the Battlestar Galactica mini series. I finally figured out what I had missed and I was able to watch it, and I so far really enjoy it. You know, I think some of the some of the CGI and the graphics are a little hokey, you know, they're a little bit, a little bit b team. But the writing and the acting is all pretty pretty solid. The writing is very solid. Some of the acting I think can be a little wooden, but overall, I gotta say it's good.

It's an interesting it's an interesting concept, and I'm enjoying it and I'm hoping to make it all the way through. Gerald and Leslie, Hey Buck, I'm a big fan. I always listening to your podcast and heard you wanted to hear from Facebook peeps. I just wanted to say I love the show. You're definitely going to be the next Rush Limball. I've been listening to him since I was eighteen. I'm forty four now. I appreciate your perspective, your eighties movie likes, and the fact that you like to cook

me too. Thanks for being you well. Thank you Gerald and Leslie. I'm assuming that's from I don't know, actually it could be from Gerald or Leslie, but it's very very kind of you. Thanks for your words about you know, saying that I'll be that I could ever be, even in the same conversation as Rush Limball, as like telling a you know, a young NBA player that he could one day be like Michael Jordan or Rush Limball, I mean, or or Rush Limball or Lebron James. But that's very

very kind of you. I appreciate it, and thank you so much for listening to the show. And we've got we've got a lot of a lot of years a great show ahead, so if you've enjoyed it this far, strap in because the ride's gonna be awesome. Ted rights Buck, first time messaging anybody on the radio, but I have to get this off my chest. I originally began listening to you after hearing you on Rush. Plus, I'm tired of listening conservatives hosts who feel compelled to scream over

the airways with their outrage. I turned them off. Overall, your program and format are informative and thought provoking. Increasingly, however, I'm turning you off as you talk a particular issue to death, overtalk your analysis, and drone on enough already it is exasperating. Maybe picking up the pace would help. I'd also listen. I also refuse to listen to the Godfather when he subs for you. In my opinion, hardly anyone more boring to listen to. I will continue to

listen for now, Ted. Well, Ted, I'll try to mix it up a little bit more for you, buddy. How about that? You know, some days it's a slow new cycle. Some days I try to get deep into the bowels of an issue, which I think people can either find interesting or they can find it to be you know, too too much. You know, TMI, as the kids say, But I do try to mix up the topics a lot. I mean, I think we cover a lot of ground

over the three hours of the show. You know, these days, I'll be honest with you, man, I'm I get tired of having to talk about the Muller probe. I think that in a sense, I'm kind of hostage to the new cycle in that regard, because it is what is out there and being talked about. It is affecting and directing the political conversation, but there's generally not that much new stuff going on with it, and so you end up slicing the onion pretty thin. But look, you're listener,

you are sending me a critique in good faith. I appreciate it. All of you who listen, every one of you. You're the reason that I have this dream job of having a radio show, and so your thoughts are always appreciated,

and that includes I have made. I can't even tell you how many adjustments I've made countless adjustments to this show over the years, because somebody will write me and they'll say, you know, I'd like you to do this a little more, or that a little more, a little less of this and I read it and I realize, yeah, that's right, that criticism is right. So single individuals have written me either email or Facebook and gotten me to make adjustments to the show. So I don't want you

to think that I'm not paying attention. I am paying attention. You know. For example, on impressions, there's some that you guys like, some that you're not as into, and you like them in pretty small doses, like a little bit of spice here and there. So I've scaled that back over the years as a result of audience feedback, because your feedback really does matter. I do this show for all of you who are listening, which reminds me tomorrow is going to be my last show of twenty eighteen,

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