The Big Danish Mask Study

speak to three hours without a phone call. Try doing that sometimes. No Welcome friends to the buck Sexton Show. Great to have you here with me. As always, I know we're going to dive together into the latest over these election results that continue to make their way through the courts. We're going to spend time all that, but I'm sorry, I gotta start with something else today. A study that has been waited, waited for by a lot

of folks. It's been talked about, delayed for a few months, about whether or not wearing a mask wear a mask. Cuomo says about whether or not wearing a mask is effective protection for the wearer. Now, we have to be very specific and how we talk about this and how we discussed this, because what they're going to do is look for any lack of precision. What the mask mandate maniacs will do is say, oh, but did you see the the point two fives that that's not what it says.

You said that it doesn't protect, and it does protect, it protects by Okay. So I'm gonna try to be as precise as possible because I read every word of this Danish study and there's much broader themes here, friends, than even just whether or not these mask mandates are

good public health policy. And I understand that there are a lot of people all over the world, but particularly here in the United States, a lot of people who think they are really, really smart, and everybody else who questions them is so so dumb, not even that they're wrong, but that they're too stupid. They're contemptible in their ignorance, So they're not even worth engaging on these issues. That's

the attitude. And they're going to have a heck of a time explaining what's going on here, because now we actually have some data masks prevent people from transmitting the coronavirus to others. According to scientists in this New York Times right up of the piece. But a new trial failed to document protection from the virus among the wearers. Now let's look at this exactly Like I said, this is important and this goes to much even bigger themes

than coronavirus restrictions. So that's why I find this so important. This is such a lesson, such a cautionary tale. But you have researchers in Denmark that they reported it in Annals of Science I believe is the journal that it was published in. So this is peer review. I'm sorry, Annals of Internal Medicine, pardon me, Annals of Internal Medicine. And this is peer reviewed. And this is involving three thousand and thirty participants randomly assigned to wear masks two

nine ninety four assigned to the control group. This is act schuel science. Look at results based upon with a control group, based upon an experiment, show the data and use the scientific method, and then come to a conclusion. And then understand that this can be tried again and again and replicated. See if we get the same results. Try to control for all variables. This is science, the

same way the vaccine. The amazing vaccines that are just on the precipice of approval, and that we're pushed along, yes, by absolutely brilliant scientists, people that can do stuff that you and I would not be able to do with you all the money in the world. Right, these guys have real and gals have real expertise and knowledge. They've made these vaccines and they hopefully will bring about this.

It's not just a pandemic from COVID, but there's also on top of that, a pandemic of fear, anxiety, government overreach. So much has come along with this, as I've been saying would be the case. But they did this the right way. They did a real experiment. Why haven't we seen more of these? By the way, didn't you ask

that question? We're making enormously consequential public policy decisions. We're inflicting upon people the constant psychological and physical irritation and trauma of wearing a mask outside, wearing a mask on the treadwill wearing a mask indoors now in your own a home. That's the latest guidance in Pennsylvania. Cases going up all over the country. Mask wearing higher rates of adoption than ever before in this country. You're not supposed to ask any questions about this, do it or else?

Is now the attitude? Okay, well, let's look at what the actual science tells us. Listen to the scientists. They say, Okay, well, I read this entire study. Doesn't really take all that long. Actually it's pretty easy read. And you can see it online and if you will, post a link to it at bucksexton dot com and it's linked in some of my tweets which are also posted there. So go to Bucksexton dot com and here's what it tells you. And I think it's very important that mask wearing. According to

the data. Here's how the New York Times quotes it. The study did not contradict growing evidence at mask can prevent transmission of the virus from wear to others. But the conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers, which was a position just endorsed last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Okay, they're trying to be very gentle with their audience. Oh no, it's still true that a mask protects you, as in from me. But my wearing of a mask, if I'd

go into a room with a mask on. Okay, according to this study, and there is a person who is COVID infectious in that room, they can prove no benefit whatsoever for my wearing of the mask as a protection for me. None. And the way that they did this study, so that everybody's very clear, is they had, like I said, a few thousand participants on each side, and the people that were told to wear a mask, the participants wearing a mask, forty two participants recommended mask wearing got COVID,

fifty three without mask wearing got COVID. So it's one point eight percent versus two point one percent difference, which is statistically for the purposes of this experiment completely insignificant, means nothing effectively, you can tell no difference whatsoever. So you have thousands of people told wear a mask every day. Now I know what they're going to say, Buck, but their mask usage wasn't perfect, right, or some of them

did it all the time. That it's sometimes okay, But if masks were really effective, with about three thousand people who are at least sometimes wearing masks, and you've got about three thousand or so people who are never ever wearing masks, right, Like they're like, not, they're in the non mask group. Don't you think the difference should be more than Oh? What is it? Point three percent? Is

that really what we're going for here? And keep in mind, no one even thinks that that's a hard and fast number. It's effectively zero. But even if if there was a point three percent reduction in COVID nineteen for a mask wearing, do you think it's worth it? Are you going to continue to wear a mask point three percent? What have I've been saying to you, Maybe it's five percent, maybe it's ten percent. I've been saying I think it might

maybe does something. This says it does even less. Ah. Now we get to the chorus of people, I'm so smart. I read the study. You haven't read it. No, I've read it. I've read it several times. It's not hard to read. What they'll say is, ah, but this tells us you need even more mask wearing because it's not about you, it's about protecting people from you. And this is what the scientists all still agree on. That's what they'll tell you a little problem with that, though, First problem,

where is the study that proves that? Where is the study that shows that I asked the question. I wanted it. I don't want to hear but ah, but dadah blah blah blah. You know, people just mumbling about all the smart people that say no, no, where is the show me the data, show me the evidence to prove that.

Even bigger problem for that argument here, remember people, ultimately, at this point, you have people that have their reputations on the line for being super smart experts, and you also people who don't want to believe that they're sheep and been doing You know, look, I've been wearing a mask when I go into stores and stuff because I have no choice, right they make you otherwise, I can't buy groceries, I can't go anywhere in New York City.

So you know this is a mandate, it's not a But there are people that are firm believers, and they really look down on other people even who question this. They look down on them that they think they are less than that they're dumb, they're reckless, And this was a huge part of the Trump is responsible for all the COVID Don't forget that too, because Trump wasn't a mask worshiper from day one, which not even fouc you was.

We can get into that. But because people that support Trump, just generally, I think, have a more individualistic view of life and of what's important as an American and individual liberty, and they don't like being told by the government where this uncomfortable, annoying restriction on your face all the time, and forget about the separation and really the dehumanizing aspects of this. And you know, I've hated this all along.

I've hated masks, all right, and now they tell us, oh, but it's about protecting other people from you, which is so interesting because, as even the New York Times had to point out, they had to beat us too it because otherwise it looks like they're trying to hide it. The CDC recently said masks are very effective at protecting you when you wear it, you wear a mask, it blocks the aerosols, it blocks the particles. That was what

the CDC was saying a week ago. The Centers for Disease Control, now we have a study out that says that there's no way to prove that at all, and if anything, it looks like it is just a complete waste. People are going to point to and say, no, but that's not true. It says they could. And this is when they do the deep dive statistical analysis of what all the data means. It could reduce transmission buy up

to forty percent. Yeah, the same study says it could also increase transmission to wear a mask because if people touching it sself up to twenty percent, so you got to maybe up to forty maybe up to twenty. That means they don't know. But well, let's focus on what we do know. Let's use our common sense. Let's not be shouted down and condescended to by the mask wearing

chorus all the time. Here you had about three thousand people told to wear masks, given masks and they knew they were a part of a study about mask wearing, and three thousand other people who I'm sure, we're happy to sign up for this, and now we're not wearing a mask. About the same number of people got infected in both groups. Okay, Now they also will say, oh buck, but at that time in Denmark there wasn't a lot of mask you know, adopt mask wearing wasn't really that widespread.

They can look at all the flaws and they can try to keep justifying their public policy as much as they want. The point here is that the evidence for a mask protecting you from the inhalation of Arasoli's COVID nineteen virus, the best study we have this year, shows that there is no benefit to you of wearing that mask. Now we have to move to the secondary question, or the next question, which is is there a benefit to other people if you wear a mask. We are told

to take that on the advice. We're told to take that based on the expertise of the scientific consensus. And if you question it, you're a bad person, You're a moron. There's no there's no reflection, there's no humility in this conversation whatsoever from that art from that group. They pretend that this never have doesn't matter what the evidence has showed in this one. We're still right. We're just right

in a different way. Sure. Why was the CDC wrong about masks as a protective mechanism for you from infection a week ago? And why was the CDC's initial guidance now nine months months ago? Why was their initial guidance that mask wearing is not a good policy and it is not effective at all? What has changed between now and then? Use your own common sense. Look at what is being proofd What have I said that it's not true?

Find one thing. Everything I am telling you is a matter of either historical record or of the data, and of fact. But people don't want to believe that they have been fooled, that they are easily led by the consensus, and on this one, on this story, that masks are a protective shield for you from the virus in the air around you, from people using the people that have been saying that based on the science are wrong. They are wrong. Now they they can do a lot of

dancing around. Oh but maybe it's inconclusive, and there's other things. Why do we think this Danish study was delayed for months? You don't think that there was a lot of wrangling around this to try to avoid releasing it. People don't like looking dumb, even if it's just And maybe they are right. Maybe that does protect from aerosolis virus that goes to somebody else, or if you wear the mask right,

maybe it contains more of your very That's possible. I don't know, But I do know that the other thing they were telling us until last week, and that they would have made fun of you for bringing up in public. They were wrong about that based on what we know now. And here's the other part of it. We learn more in time. Science is about testing and re testing assumptions, data fact These are about what is true, and sometimes we think something's true, we find out that it's not.

That's a part of being an intellectually honest and worthwhile entity. But you think the control freaks out there or even are are going to give that a moment's attention. Of course not. They were just wrong on this one, and you know what they're moving on to. We're right about the other thing. Shut up, wear your mask. Keep that one going until we see what the studies tell us about that. You're in the freedom This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Well, I say I can't enforce the

order because I think it's unconstitutional. And in order to explain why it's unconstitutional, I just have to take a second brand and explain what he can do constitution That Bill of Rights allows a balancing act for the safety of the society and limiting individual's liberty. So let me give it the easiest example. You can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater if there's not a fire and so the government can limit your First Amendment freedom of

speech rights. But we under the case law and under the Constitution, the governor absolutely has a right to limit how many people can go to a bar or a restaurant. We're in face masks in public buildings and private businesses. He can also limit what time them must close. But under the Constitution the order is very vague and it's ten or less people is the most you can have in your private residence. Well, I don't think that the Constitution allows for the infringement of your own the number

of people have in your own home. So I started that position. So he has authority to do a lot, but not to tell us as law enforcement, to go into people's house and count who's there. That's New York. New York's Fulton County Sheriff Richard Giardino on the just monstrously tyrannical and stupid Cuomo mandate about how many people are allowed in your home over Thanksgiving. You know, we can fight back about their pseudoscience, We can fight back

about the lack of honesty around all these issues. And remember it was all part of getting everybody freaked out. And oh my god, Trump didn't do enough. We have to get rid of Trump and all this stuff. We can fight back against these things, or we can continue to be told how many people are in our homes for Thanksgiving. And don't think it just ends when the vaccine comes out. We're gonna have to have months and

months and months of basically no new cases. If you allow the Democrats and the Biden, the Biden apparatus, and the people in the media to determine when it's safe for you to be, maybe maybe by next Christmas they'll stop telling you what to do. You want to waste all that time? Do you think that's very you think that's smart? This whole thing is out. It's outrageous telling you how many people are allowed on your private home because of an aerosolized virus. What do we think tyranny

in America would look like if not this? Thanks for listening to the buses and show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you think there will be any humility from the various public health experts who have been going on TV and have been claiming that anyone who even questions the constantly shifting medical consensus about how to do with COVID nineteen, and that's a fact. It has been

constantly shifting. And they say, oh, it's because we have new data. And usually the new data is we can see that what they were telling us to do didn't work, so they tell us to do something else based on the data. But it's never an admission that the previous declarations they made were incorrect. Now that part of it does not get any attention whatsoever, that part of it doesn't really matter. No, it's all still about bashing Trump.

It's Trump supporters fault. You see that COVID is still spreading. That's what the left wants you to believe. It's Trump supporters fault. That there have been huge spikes in European countries that have mass compliance numbers that are very high, that have gone through a series of different lockdowns. You see, it's just those evil Trumpsters that are behind this whole thing. It's really the Trump virus, that's what they want you to believe. It's not the China virus, the Trump virus.

These people are insane. But they also believe that the president worked with the Russians distinal election from Hillary Clinton. They also think that that's true. So what can you say about that? But here's an example of the kind of derangement, derangement that you will see on television. This guy wanders into he's an emergency room physician. He's wandering into terrorism analysis, all kinds of stuff, all kinds of stuff.

All would who's find uh you know a guy with an MD who's a huge lib and all of a sudden, the person's on TV telling everybody about who, who you should listen to, who you shouldn't do, the whole the whole thing. It's it's it's outrageous. Um. This guy's a leftist. By the way, this guy's an You go online, you check him out. He's a leftist. But this is what you get on CNN as a medical expert. Play whatever

that is? Fourteen. No, they need to can him. Um. I mean, one of the things I can't wait for when when the inauguration happens, is that he'll be gone. He's a radiologists, which is great, has nothing to do with public health. He probably hasn't taken care of a patient in thirty some years. You know, he's a right wing ideologue who is going after my governor who's doing everything she can despite a hostile state legislature and Supreme Court and our state who has taken away powers. They're

doing everything they can. We know, when the President tweeted liberate Michigan after that, we had a plot to kidnappin, murder Governor Whitmer and basically take down the whole state government. You know. So now he's tweeting rise up. I mean, there's not much difference between liberate and rise up and whatever he claims to say. These are these are called to arms for people in our state, one of the

worst states for domestic terrorism. So you know, I'm grateful that Governor Whitmer has said, listen, she's not going to worry about her political fortunes, about reelection or about you know, any kind of attempts against her. She's going to do what's right and try to protect us. And she is so much here that is misleading, dumb, wrong. But you know, this guy just find a doctor somewhere. This guy's a doctor in Michigan. And so now we all have to

believe everything that he says about everything, including terrorism. I've actually worked professionally in terrorism. This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. But he's allowed to have his opinion, right now, that's fine. The whole thing about the terrorist plot against Governor Whitman, you know what they always leave out of that. Now, the same right wing pro Trump terrorists that they've they've rounded up and said, we're plotting all the stuff. First of all, their plots

were absurd. They were never going to come to fruition. Nothing was ever really going to happen. This was what often this is what often occurs when you've got an informant, an FBI informant, placed among people who gets them talking, a lot of talking, a lot of idiocy, and yeah, they're bad people and I don't care if they're gonna end up getting in trouble here. But the point is that they weren't really, you know, at the actionable phase

of any of this at all. And they also wanted to want One of them wanted to, as this is based on the FBI affidavit in the court, FBI scorn statement in the court, one of the plotters wanted to assassinate President Trump. So these are the pro Trump people that are also planning a lethal plot against the president. That's that's what they leave out of this because that didn't get out into the court record for about a week.

But it was good for Governor Whitmer, who's a moron, to go around saying, oh, gosh, you know that President's mean people were all plotting all the mean stuff against me. Oh yeah, so we heard all that. But they leave that out. That these people were psychopaths and they hated the president too, and the stuff they were talking about was, while violent and evil, also nowhere near actually ever happening.

But nonetheless Sky's waxing philosophal But that and trying to tie Scott Atlas is inciting terrorism, which is what happens when you are opposed to lockdowns. If people were having a real conversation about this, if people were willing to look at what's true and what we've seen and what's real, they wouldn't have to resort to such disgraceful smears. Also, I mean putting down doctor Atlas for having a background

in radiology. Radiology. Radiologists are mds. They die nos disease, including through using X rays and MRIs, and they are part of the medical profession. And he was a head of I think it was neuro radiology at Stanford Medical School for many years. So yeah, no, he doesn't know anything about public health though they guy doesn't know anything about the medical system at all. No, he's not on a par with a guy who's in er doc in some hospital in Michigan. Yeah, no, it has no idea.

I mean, really, we're going to get into a credential battle. Let's be honest about what we're talking about. But even beyond that, they hate they hate doctor Atlas. And yet what is he saying that the ten person mandates on Thanksgiving? Or absurd? And people need to stop with this. It is absurd. And if you don't think it's absurd, you're

a weak willed, weak minded person. And if you don't think it's absurd, you should just look at what's going on with the people who put these policies in place and then break them and know that they'll get away with it, I hope. But they're so concerned about public health.

Somebody who tells you do what I say, or else people will die, and then does the thing that they tell you not to do or else people will die is an unserious hypocrite who clearly does not really believe that things they are telling you or they're actually a monster, but they don't really think you're going to kill people anymore. So that if you are out living your life and you know you could pass any number of diseases to

somebody without knowing it. I mean, we can talk about the flu, but that I know that sets everybody off, That gets them all upset. But this is where we are, friends. The more information we have, the more we realize that the public health authorities in this country have just dramatically failed us. They have completely collapsed on us here. And I mean public health authorities. I'm not talking about doctors

who are doing a job. I'm not talking about nurses who are doing a job, who are trying to provide care to people. That's great. I'm talking about those mds in our midst who are making national policy, who are harnessing the force of the federal, of the state, of local government, which ultimately means a willingness to take your stuff and lock you up if you don't agree. That's what government force is. The mds who have been pushing

those decisions have been catastrophically wrong. We have not gotten the benefits that they have promised we would have and we have certainly had all of the downside. Plasz. Joy behar out there who says, you know, you know, doctor doctor Atlas, he's you know what he is, he's embarrassing play eleven well as the unofficial spokesperson for the social security crowd. Let me say to doctor Atlas, this is not my last thanksgiving, you embarrassing quack. He's a neuro

He's a neuro radiologist. Joy, what does it happened to first? Do no harm? This guy is. He is a menace to society, this man. Of course, Trump picks him because he only picks the best people. But I mean, come on, you know, don't don't listen to a radiologist when it comes to a virus. Please, ladies and gentlemen out there, do not listen to this quack. He's a quack. He's

a quack. Quack quack. Neuro radiologists you google it. They have further certification than just radiologists, and that they also treat abnormalities in the nervous system, spine, head and neck, and they can treat diseases by means of image guided surgery. So yeah, no, not really, not really a doctor, just a doctor who diagnoses neck, brain spine injuries and can do surgery to help fix that. Well, other than that, not really. I mean it's not like you know, this

guy's like lower than a prediatrist on the medical food chain. Right, no offensive a dietris out there. I'm just saying, I know they get a lot of heat. This is nonsense. But listen to joy Biha. She knows it's not my last ex Giving. What he's saying is, if you're eighty six years old, are you not going to see your grandkids?

Are you're not going to see your family this Thanksgiving because you're afraid of a virus that you probably won't catch by the numbers, and you might, But you also, in any given a year, could die from any number of things that you could catch from just living your life. Do you this is a question for people to answer themselves. Do you want to live your life or do you want to hide in fear? If you want to hide, that's fine, that's your right right that you have a

right to do that. I there is no notice how there's no coercion from our side to force people to leave their homes, force people to go out into crowded places. No, But in the other direction. Of course, they have no problem with the utilization of state force to make you stay in your home, to make you avoid other people. This does get down to very basic philosophy about about the government and noticed that there's so little, so little emphasis put on the pain that they're causing people. Here.

Oh you know, I know, she's supposed to be so nice and yah gosh, yeah, it's a lovely lady. Governor Wheatmer up in Michigan. Yo. Yeah, here she is talking about that small business. I'm just crushing the small businesses like a little bug under my boot. But you know, I feel bad for them. Play sixteen. The restaurant industry has really had a tough year because of COVID, because there's not been a national strategy, and we've seen COVID

just explode across the country in waves. This is really driven by our epidemialogists and our public health experts that tell us it's inherently dangerous. With a kind of a community spread that we have all across Michigan and all across the Midwest and frankly all across the country. The inherently dangerous situations are when you are inside with people from a different household are many different households for a

prolonged period of time with masks off. That's what happens in restaurants, and that's why it's really going to be critical that the Feds get their act together and give us some stimulus support for these small businesses, for these

restaurant workers. I have incredible empathy for what they're struggling with, and yet we have to follow the epidemiology the public health experts and make decisions that combat the spread before our hospitals get overwhelmed and before we hit a thousand deaths a week in Michigan, because that's what the modeling is telling us where we're headed right now. But we're we're in masks and we've been social distancing. So why

are the models telling them? You mean, the models that have been wrong always during this whole thing, the models that keep being wrong. We have to listen more about this. The government cannot protect you from an aerosolized virus that is at pandemic stage, that is already in you know, it's all over the place. You know, they do they write these news reports about how the Chinese government says they've found coronavirus on beefs and from halfway across the

world that arrives in China. I mean, this is what we're dealing with. But the government says, just listen to us, just let us take away your constitutional rights and will protect you. It's a lie. They can't they can't do it,

but they won't admit that. They won't admit that. I if people started to believe that there were limitations on what government could do to protect them, that would start to change their underlying political philosophy in ways that would not be helpful for Democrats, for status, for the left. But it's it's never. It's never that they were wrong. It's just that we didn't do it well enough. Oh, get ready for you know, I've been saying this, N

ninety five masks. That's where it's really at. Okay, maybe the cloth masks weren't a good as good, but it's N ninety five masks. Or you gotta double up on the cloth masks, or do what they're doing in Pennsylvania now, or they have a state mandate that you have to wear a mask inside your own home, inside your own home, that's right. You know, you have one hundreds of thousands

of people to die from heart disease. We could also have a mandate that you can only eat two thousand calories a day and have to do one hundred push ups before before you shower every morning. That would make people probably healthier in the aggregate, would save a lot of lives. Is that constitutional too? Under emergency health powers? You're in the freedom hud. This is the Buck Sexton

Show podcast. Well, there's no further visits come before the Senate, Astana Jorn under the previous order, following the remarks of Senator Brown, without objection President Center from Ohio, I'd start by asking the presiding officer to please wear a mask as he speaks and people below him or I can't tell you what to do, but I know that the behavior. I don't wear a mask when I'm speaking, like most senators,

I'm most SATs. I don't need your instruction from I know you don't need my instruction, but I there clearly isn't much interest in this body in public health. We have a president who hasn't shown up at the Coronavirus Task Force meeting in months. We have a majority leader that calls us back here to vote on an unqualified nominee and at the same time to vote for judge after judge after judge, exposing all the people who can't

say anything. I understand, the people in front of you and the presiding officer, and expose all the staff here, and the majority leader just doesn't seem to care. That's what mask shaming is really for making long political statements. Afterwards. That was Sharad Brown in the Senate. Someone's getting up to speak, No one's around them, no one's near them. But you know, can you wear a matt? Why aren't you wearing a mask? Ah? Yes? You notice how it

turns people against each other so quickly too. It creates this immediate attention on the people that want this as a policy. They want ever to do it all you got to do it to protected. They forget that the chance of the person that they're mask shaming actually having COVID nineteen, just based on the numbers is less than one percent. So ninety nine out of one hundred people that you go around in you mask shame, You're you're actually telling a healthy person, why aren't you wearing a mask?

And I understand this, this is why they want the policy. But if we're really just getting down to it in each individual incident. It's a little bit like walking around to somebody who you know is littering and acting like, you know, the world is going to run out of clean water and our oceans, all the sea life is going to die because you just dropped a gum wrapper on the street. Right, That's like, okay, well, i'll get I'll get it next time, but you know, maybe don't

put this all on my shoulders. And at that time, not even really the case. You're saying it to somebody who didn't even necessarily literally you don't know, right, because if they're innocent, if they're healthy, it doesn't make any difference. This whole thing has gotten so absurd. But remember the moment that this became a Trump thing, then this became

a Trump versus non Trump thing. All fair arguments and all data and everything else got pushed aside because this was this whole the response, the COVID pandemic, all weaponized to try and defeat Donald Trump in this election. And look, it may have ended up being successful. Friends, we have to deal with that reality. They may have been able to do it. And I know people say, oh buck, they didn't really vote on COVID. Now, the country's mood was changed, that the feeling of this place was changed,

no question about it, as a result of COVID. And a huge amount of resources and time had to be spent by the Trump campaign trying to explain to people that they were doing everything that Joe Biden says he would do. They just don't go around making a big thing of how it's all democrats fault that we have COVID, which is what they say about Republicans. Thanks for listening to the buses and show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on

Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, would you look at that? More ballots in the last forty eight hours, found ballots that had not been counted, No particularly good reason for that, just didn't get counted. More ballots that were not counted. And who wants to guess whether they go majority for Trump or by it an You want to take a guess? Ah, Yes, it turns out that they have found not one, but two

batches of ballots in Fayette County and also in Floyd County, Georgia. Now, Georgia is a state where you've got about a what is it a fifteen thousand vote margin, something like that. So on Monday we found twenty six hundred new votes in Floyd County. And now they've also announced that there were two thousand, seven hundred and fifty five uncounted votes on a memory card in Fayette County. So over the course of two days, you got about five thousand uncounted

ballots that just show up. In Georgia. Now, remember we're told it's over, be quiet, go home, nothing to see here. Trump lost. That's where we're told. But if you find, ever the course of two days, five thousand ballots that were just not included in the tallly at all, and at least in one of those two batches, they went two for one Trump. Okay, so two for one going to Trump. They've cut down the Biden lead to under

thirteen thousand votes. Now in that state, I just want to know, at what point do we get to say, wow, we really do need to make sure that we cross all the t's and done all the eyes here. At what point is it obvious to anybody who's being honest that the only way forward here is to make sure that we do check for every legal ballot that we make sure that illegal ballots are not counted, and yet that we find and rectify irregularities, fraud, all of these things.

We're talking about five thousand new votes found in a state with less than fifteen thousand for the marginal victory. Shouldn't that matter to everybody? Isn't that important? Is it surprising to anyone? I'm gonna ask you this, Is it surprising to anyone that we have a circumstance that we have a situation where we're finding okay, where we're finding ballots, and there are all these changes that were made this year to the way the election was going to be done.

Of course, this is what's going to happen when you have last been a changes, all this additional mail in balloting, all these let's be real, let's be honest, all these games that Democrats were playing to try to shift the election playing field in their favor. Yes, there are going to be ballots that are found that don't count or that haven't been counted rather and that shouldn't count if they're illegally cast. So isn't this exactly what we should

be expecting? But remember, if you have any questions about this election, at this point, if you just want the process to continue so that we make sure that we have certainty. You are a conspiracy theorist, You're a bad person, you're a trumper, and you're awful. That's what the dominant theme, the dominant narrative, certainly from the media and from the Democrat Party is. And to this, I just ask, well,

how do they explain this in Georgia? How do they explain the five thousand votes that they had to fix with a glitch in Michigan? If every vote counts, then doesn't that mean we'd want to try to get every vote to be correct here, so illegal ballots not counted because that cancels out legal ones. I think this should be very straightforward, but we got a lot of challenges here. Friends.

There's what we know and what we can prove. There's what looks fishy and what we'll be able to definitively show in a court of law and get a judge to take action on. There are many steps here, many phases that have to go a certain way for this election to be overturned in Trump's favor. And I've been telling you it's a long shot. It's a long shot. People who were saying otherwise. I don't think they're being

honest with you. I think that there's a lot of Oh, I'm going to be the most magarific, I'm going to be the most pro Trump, even in these last weeks here, just to show everybody my devotion to the cause, even though I believe that this is going to go for Joe Biden. But I'm not going to tell anybody that. I'm here telling you I think Trump's chances are not good at this point. But that doesn't mean we don't fight. That doesn't mean we don't figure out exactly what happened here.

To the best of our ability. It's about this election and the next election. This is mean you also have in Nevada this allegation which came from Adam Laxalt. I think he's the GOP chief there play for what we are providing today in this lawsuit is that many of these votes were improperly cast. We are presenting today in our formal contest that there are north of fifteen thousand

people who voted in Nevada and another state. We are presenting that people voted in people that had already done a change of address and left the state outside of thirty the thirty day requirement, their ballots were still cast. We are also presenting dead voters. Those are all verifiable allegations one way or the other. Shouldn't we know? Shouldn't we have a real understanding of what's true here and

what's not. What's the argument against this? Oh, that Trump hasn't conceded soon enough, that Trump is a risk to our democracy. No, what we do know is that the left's answers, whenever we try to pose these questions, always revolve around a version of orange man bad. Trump is a unique threat. Trump is uniquely awful, and because of that, the Democrats say, he doesn't even really get to have his process. We don't get to have the president waits

to see what actually happened. He's supposed to get ahead of it and say, you know what, you're right, I'm sorry I lost this election. He's not even allowed to get his due process. That's what they want you to that's their their position on all of this. Because he's the worst. That's why Don Lemon's out there, Don Lemon, monsieur Don Lemon. He is out there telling people that this is this is about what your grandkids think. Play ten it is all local, but imagine those local folks

having the influence they had. They could have had a very big influence on a national election on who was president of the United States. I think that, you know, I heard some folks on your air talking about how how history is going to look back on this, and I think a lot of people are going to be embarrassed over time when they look back and say, how did I do that? How did I fall for that? What happened to me? What was I thinking in that time? Wrong?

You may want to win, You may want to you know, whatever it is you have what do they call it liberal tears? You may want all of that, But your grandchildren and your kids will look back and say, oh, what did grandpa did? What dude? What did dadd what did bomb do in this moment, and realize that you were on the wrong side of history and that you possibly were teaching them the wrong thing. It'sn't that all.

It's that ridiculous thinking about that. Yeah, your grandkids are really going to say, excuse me, granddaddy, where were you during the great recount fight of twenty twenty in those weeks? What side of the issue where you on? No that's not going to happen. Your grandkids will not care. Nobody will even remember this. In six months, we will remember who the president is and we may suffer the consequences if he's the if it's the wrong one, But no

one's going to remember that. You said, yeah, can we just make sure every legal vot vote is counted. That's that's a very standard, very defensible. In fact, it's the only really defensible position here. But this is what they do. They create these narratives. It's a version of the journals always saying, you know, my five year old came to me and said, you know, dad, why you that Republicans don't understand the unique threat to our democracy posed by

Donald Trump's erosion of norms. Now, you're five year old. Didn't say that, journal, but nice try right. They do that all the time. This was a thing that was really popular a couple of years ago. Blue check journals would lie about how their toddler was waxing philosophical about the unique threat to the Constitution posed by President Trump because Libs, for some reason, think that what comes out of the mouths of children when it comes to politics

is really important and powerful. You know, if a kid says it, Well, then we really got to pay attention. Of course, this is absurd, but that's what they do. This is also why they made such a big thing of Greta Thunberg, who, at age sixteen was traveling the world lecturing people on climate change. Yes, that's right, I take advice about complicated multinational climate change treaties from a sixteen year old. Yes, that's an intel eligent move for

an adult. Sure, that's that's really smart. But no, the libs, it's all about the emotions, the feelings that theatrics around all this, and that's what Don Lemon is appealing to here. Well, will your grandchildren say about this moment? Other grandchildren are gonna say, did you get me, you know, the latest video game that I want for Christmas? They're they're not gonna care about what you said. Here's and it's laughable.

I mean, it's absurd to believe otherwise. But that's one way that they do this, and that's one way they try to convince you that you have no ground here whatsoever to stand and say that you want every vote to be counted. And if we're going to talk about embarrassment and people that have gone down the rabbit hole people that have believed things that are foolish. Has anyone at CNN have any of these journals apologized for their role in the Russia collusion hoax. Not one, None of

them have. None of them have apologized. None of them feel any any sheepishness or any shame for running around for years with the ridiculous story that the President of the United States was a Russian asset who worked to steal the election from Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, many of them still believe that. Many of them still think there was Russian collusion, and that's how they avoid the embarrassment. I mean, what should be the deep intellectual embarrassment of

falling for that. But now they're telling us, Oh, if you stand and fight now and want the final counts to be accurate, you're going to be embarrassed one day. No, I don't think I'll take advice from them on this. I also don't think I'll take advice from them on embarrassment, considering how often they accuse Trump and Republicans of more or less being Nazis. Here's CNN's Christian Mampu with them. Fanciest accent, you've ever heard on television in your life.

Listen to me, because I'm so sophisticated, an international because of my accent that obviously comes from a very expensive boarding school in England. But I'm even more international than that. But here she is telling everybody, Yeah, you know, maybe I shouldn't have said that Trump is just just like the Nazis. At the top of my show, unci an International play nine and finally, tonight, a comment on my program. At the end of last week, I observed the eighty

second anniversary of Crystal Nacht, as I often do. It is the event that began the horrors of the Holocaust. I also noted President Trump's attacks on history, facts, knowledge, and truth. I shouldn't have juxtaposed the two thoughts Hitler and his evil stand alone of course in history. I regret any pain my statement may have caused. My point was to say how democracy can potentially slip away, and

how we must always zealously guard our democratic values. Yeah, so I compared Trump to Hitler, and I realize that that's deeply offensive to some people because it's the dumbest, most ridiculous comparison imaginable, and it undermines and underplays the true evil of the Holocaust. So let's just move on. There you go, CNN's perhaps best known globally anchor total imbecile. But doesn't matter. No one's even gonna remember it a week.

But they want to lecture you and me and tell us to be worried about what our grandchildren will think. I don't care what the Libs think, that's for sure. You're in the freedom mine. This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast. Mister Dorsey, does voter fraud exist? All right? I don't know for certain. Are you an expert in voter fraud? No, I'm not. Well, why then, is Twitter right now putting purported warnings on virtually any statement about

voter fraud. We're simply linking to a product conversation so that people have more information. No, no, you're not. You put up a page that says, quote, voter fraud of any kind is exceedingly rare in the United States. That's not linking to a broader conversation. That's taking a disputed policy position. And you're a publisher when you're doing that, you're entitled to take a policy position, but you don't get to pretend you're not a publisher. And get a

special benefit under Section two thirty. As a result, Link is pointing to a product conversation with tweets from publishers and people all around the country. No, it's taking a position. You know, Ted Cruze understands what's going on here, and he's got them and they know this. I am big tech in this election, because you remember, it was really social pressure from their peers, from their friends and the

people that they want to like them. At Facebook, at Twitter, at these organizations, they were insufficiently devoted to getting a Hillary elected by suppressing information and by stacking the deck in favor of Hillary against Donald Trump. So this time around they tried to find ways to rectify that, and the way they choose to rectify it is by challenging certain statements by showing that what the president says, even

the president of the United States, this is disputed. They didn't do that for the Russia collusion hoax for four years. They haven't done it on any number of things. They definitely don't do it for you know, Faucian company. I wonder now are they going to censor people who say that the biggest study yet done tells you that mask wearing does not protect you from virus. That's what the study did say. It could not prove that, and that was what it's set out to prove as a study.

Are they going to make Are they gonna mark that as sense of content that you know could lead people in the wrong direction? Friends, we've seen this now we understand what they're really doing. We understand what the game is that's being played, and we also see that the tech totalitarians don't even recognize what they're doing when it's exposed. When we see it, they don't really recognize it as wrong. It's just, oh, we'll have to figure out another way

to do this suppression. Remember the Hunter Biden stories that the New York New York Post broke and then were blocked by Twitter and Facebook right before an election. I mean, this is an kind contribution. It was to the Joe Biden campaign by journalists so called, or by tech platform in this case. And here's what Dorsey says about the New York Post account being suspended Play six. When Twitter is editing and censoring and silencing the New York Post.

The newspaper was a fourth highest circulation in the country and Politico one of the leading newspapers in the country. Is Twitter behaving as a publisher when it's deciding what stories reporters are allowed to write and publish and what stories they're not. No, and that account is not suspended if I allow follow up the hacked materials policy. Um, we realized that there was an error in that policy. And hold on. I'm literally looking at the tweet from

Twitter that says your account has been locked. You're you're telling me that this is not us. That's a lock and can be unlocked when you to lead, I understand that you lock your account for posting true information. That's where we are with the tech gives. I remember when the libs said that this was a conspiracy a few years ago, there was any bias in big tech. They were all liars and idiots. Now it's all proven. But guess what Big tech doesn't want to change. Friends. Thanks

for listening to The Bus Sesson Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Some fiery moments yesterday on Capitol Hill as Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook was once again facing lawmakers, including a Senator Marsha Blackburne, who is with us now from the great state of Tennessee. Senator Blackburn, thanks so much for joining. I am thrilled to join you. Thank

you so much. So, what was the single biggest moment that you saw that people should be aware of yesterday? During those those hearings, you know, they went on for quite some time. Most people didn't have time to watch at all. Are we at a point now where big Tech realizes, Senator, that some of their practices have to change. I think the biggest moment from yesterday was one that came through the collective of looking at this hearing book.

You saw them pretty much admit that, yes, they are doing some blocking and throttling and censoring, but they think it's okay because they are getting into the business of publishing, which through their statements they admit that they are doing this because they're editorializing. Well, editorializing is creating content, and that is not where they are supposed to be. They are information services. They are to be the new town square.

Town squares need a cop on the beat to make certain that you have the point the counterpoint, and it's done in the civil manner. And Senator, what would you like to see happen now, because one of the questions that keeps coming up after these hearings is what now we've seen, whether it's Jack Dorsey of Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, we see these tech CEOs now the CEO of Google. They'll go on Capitol Hill and they have these moments where we see exactly what you're saying, that

they're blurring a line between platform and publisher. There's clear bias. They used to say there wasn't bias, it was just algorithms. Now we know that's not true. But it feels like not a lot changes. How can things change? Center? How would you like to see them change? When it comes to big tech. There are two pieces of legislation that I have authored that are moving through the process right now.

One is in Commerce Committee and it is a privacy bill, and it is pretty much centered around legislation I started working on eight years ago. It's called the Browser Act. And what the Privacy Bill will do is to have one set of privacy standards and federal preemption that's for the entire Internet ecosystem. Then it's going to have one regulator,

the FTC. It is going to put in the consumers hand the online user's hand the ability to opt in if they want to share data and information, and then to opt out on nonsensitive information things like tracking and so that way, it will change Big texts approach. It is going to change their business model, but it's a good change. It is in favor of the consumer. Now. The second bill moving through is one that does reform section to thirty. It is a good piece of legislation.

It is called the Online Freedom and Viewpoint Diversity Bill, and Senator Lindsay Graham and Senator Roger Wicker, the Chairman of Commerce and the Chairman of Judiciary, have joined me on that bill. It would be very specificous to who can use the libe ability protection in section to thirty. In flind they can use it. It would also eliminate this subjectiveness that big tech hides behind and says, well we have community standards, well, we have terms of service.

And it would be very specific and the reasons that you have to exercise some kind of censorship, because it would spell out it has to be unlawful conduct, it has to cause incentivized terrorism, or lead to personal harm. Those would be the reasons for being able to censor something. That bill is scheduled for a markup in Judiciary Committee tomorrow. We're speaking of Senator Marsha Blackburne of Tennessee. Senator, what is the Democrat response? I mean, from your colleagues in

the Senate, for example, with what you're talking about? Here are some of them on board? And for the ones who aren't, why would they object to what seemed like very common sense ways to address big tech censorship that we all know? Is there? Well? Money, money, money is the reason. And the majority of contributions that have been given by big tech employees and their CEOs have all gone to Democrats, and so the Democratic Party has been very hesitant to tackle these issues that consumers want to

see addressed. So they're just looking to keep things exactly as they are. That's discouraging, but I think we are que serves them well, right, Well, we saw that obviously with the suppression efforts in the run up to the election and Twitter removing that or suppressing that story about a hunter Biden, and so it's all out there for everybody to see. Hopefully we'll be able to advance the

legislation and the changes that you're talking about. But big tech is very powerful and they have a lot of sway, not just with money, but obviously also with perception and moving the national conversation in days that really the mainstream media I think is jealous of These days, Facebook and

Twitter much more powerful. But Senator, I also want to ask you about the other big issue this week in the news going on now for a couple of weeks, these recounts lawsuits that continued battle over who really won based on legal ballots this last presidential election. You have some experience, not just running for US Senate and being

in office, you have experienced working on election commissions. How concerned are you based on what you've heard so far about the legitimacy of the vote counts in some of these states that are contested still well, and I have no doubt if every legal vote was counted in every illegally cast ballot was thrown out, President Donald Trump would have four more years. What we have seen happen is some of these communities were not careful in mailing out

the ballots. Basically, what they did was to mail one to everybody. It was like a publisher's clearing house, sweep steak's notice. Fill it out, send it in if you want to participate and that is not what is intended for our right to vote. And everybody got one. You know what. I have talked to people that got three and four at their home because they went to former residences. I talked to someone who lives in one of these Blue cities and they had been in their house eleven years.

The previous owner, the only other person that had ever owned their home, died twelve years ago. That deceased individual who's been deceased twelve years received about in the mail. What you're going to see happen. This issue will pivot to the states, and these state legislatures are going to have to put some things in place that require these local election commissions to clean up their roles and to make certain that only individuals who are allowed to vote

are getting about to vote. Now, that would be for the future, which is obviously very important. We all want to have faith in our future elections. But Senator, for this most recent election, just based on what you've seen and what you believe, some of the let's call them proven irregularities already have been and the possible fraud that still remains to be conclusively proven, is it too late?

Did we essentially did the Democrats with these changes because of COVID in the way that we did voting will it be almost impossible to prove the kind of things you're talking about. The lawsuits are filed. There are some by the Trump campaign, there are some by individuals who witnessed irregularities, and they are gathering their information. They have from now until the time the Electoral College will meet, and prior to that, your states are going to be

certifying these elections. I mean, look at the fact that Georgia found six thousand ballots that had not been counted, and out of that the majority of those ballots went to Donald Trump. It certainly seems like if they could find six thousand here and six thousand there, there's a lot more reason to dig into this and make sure that we got the right vote count in the end. Senator Marsha Blackburn, everybody of Tennessee. Senator, we really appreciate

your time. Thanks for joining us today. Good to be with you. Thank you, bye bye. Now you're in the Freedom Mind. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. What do the Democrats think of the usage of big tech? We were just speaking about this before we had Senator Blackburn on let's talk about this. What do the Democrats think of it? They like it. You have to remember this isn't something that we've identified that both sides can

agree is a problem. The problem is that now people understand what's going on because they much preferred the old way. The Democrats liked it when their news stories and their information would be shared freely all over the internet, and somehow Twitter and Facebook would decide that they wouldn't share conservative stuff where that they would throttle it or they would shadow bandit, and people didn't really know exactly what's going on. I can't even tell you how much on Parlor,

for example, the Parlor app. And I've thought this was true for a long time. I mean, there are blue check journals that have pretty big followings on Twitter and nobody knows who the heck these people are, and nobody cares. But they've got hundreds of thousands of followers, and they've had them for a long time. And I remember I've been on Twitter now for what going on nine years, and it took a long time to build up the following that I have right now. On Parlor, I've been

in Parlor for a matter of months. I've already got two hundred thousand followers more than that, I mean, and it just keeps going up and up and up, and everything I post on parlor just goes off like a rocket ship because people are, Oh, they're interacting with it, they want to share it, they want to I've had so many things on Twitter. I go, wait a second, this is not How is this not having more of a reach considering how it's reacted to by the people

who do see it. The algorithms have been skewed against us. It's obvious. That's another reason why they hate the competitors that are popping up. Now, what way could you prove before that conservative content was being throught older shadow band? How would you be in a position to show that if the only platforms you could go to were controlled

completely dominated by Libs, How, oh you couldn't. Now that's starting to change a little bit, and the Democrats are realizing that this was the sneaky advantage that they had had. We figured out after a while. It took us a long time. At the mainstream media is effectively a Democrat superpack. We know that people maybe fought that idea in the nineties, in the early two thousands. They would say, oh no,

come on, journalism. Journalism, it's a real thing now. I mean, if you think that journos are unbiased, you just don't know what you're talking about. It's not a defensable position. It's laughable, it's silly. But big tech started to fill in that void for them. Big tech became the advantage that they had that they pretended they did not have. Right, Big tech became this thing that they would point to and they'd say, oh, well, this is just algorithms. It's

not people making these decisions. It's not that there's something that we've done or we've decided, being the CEOs and the people behind the scenes at these tech companies. It's just the way it is. It's the computers doing it, basically, That's what they were saying. And think about how much that's helped things like grow, Like I mean, the Huffington Post is a trash heap. I mean, this is a garbage website, always has been, but had an enormous assistance

from Facebook. You've seen some of these these liberal news outlets that have grown tremendously in their reach over time and become prominent and you know, brought in a lot of revenue, although they usually spend a lot of revenue off and more than they break in. And it's because

they have free reign on Facebook. You know, somehow we've created a media ecosystem in this country, and it's not just news media, but a media ecosystem where the left can do whatever it wants, say whatever it wants, no consequences, gets maximum exposure on both the new and the established platforms, and can count on blue chip advertisers from large from major corporations, major companies to advertise with them, to stick by them. On the right, we have to worry about

boycotts and there's the brand damage. Meanwhile, we represent half the country, but we have to deal with all these additional challenges and all this other bullcrap that's going on, and we still in the marketplace of ideas, crush those fools on a whole range of issues. But they have far more places to make the argument, and they have far more people who are wildly overpaid to do things that they're not even that good at. But they just

have more slots. They have more places that are more easily monetized because of these built in advantages for the left. I mean this stuff. I understand some of this might sound a little bit like inside baseball to somebody works in media, but this stuff really matters. This is how Joe Biden, that clown, can even think about winning an election against Donald Trump because of these advantages that I'm telling you about. And it extends to other issues as well.

It's not just on the presidential election. Here Senator Coons talking to Jack Dorsey about how there are other areas where he wants I mean, the Democrats want censorship in their favor. They think that Facebook and these other places there's a home court advantage that's supposed to that they're supposed to have all the time, and Senator Coons of

Delaware is one of them. Play five. I just I cannot think of a greater harm than climate change, which is transforming literally our planet and causing harm to our entire world. I think we're experiencing significant harm as we speak.

I recognize the pandemic and misinformation about COVID nineteen manipulated media also cause harm, but I'd urge you to reconsider that because helping to disseminate climate denialism, in my view, further facilitates and accelerates one of the greatest existential threats to our world. So sensor climate change questions, climate change opinions on your platform or because it's an existential threat.

There is only one acceptable opinion on climate change, and it's whatever the heck they say it is, whatever the Democrat Party could census. Is on any issue, whatever the left and the statists decide. You'd say, well, hold on, what about if somebody says that climate emissions have to be reduced fifty percent in the next thirty years, but I say, no, we can get there to the same place and we reduce at twenty five percent because of

the following technologies that are already getting cleaner. Are they going to censor that? The answers, yes. Under their logic, they have to censor that one approved opinion, just like we're in communist China. One approved opinion allowed, that's it. Other opinions shut down because they're an existential threat. Listen to these little totalitarians. Listen to the way they talk about these things. The free exchange of ideas, intellectual discourse,

free inquiry. These are under assault by the Democrat establishment in America every single day, openly. Now, this is a fight for the most basic intellectual freedom and if we don't take up our side, we will lose. Thanks for listening to The Busson Show podcast. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Were the machines not tabulating the votes correctly? Was there a problem here with the vote count that has to do with the software, the company's involved, and other allegations out there? Who better to ask about this than somebody who gets to the bottom of things and has for a very long time. Sarah Carter, my friend joins us now. She's the host of the Sarah Carter Show. Sarah a Carter dot com for her latest investigative journalism. Sarah, thanks so much. Oh, thanks so much for having me on

the Showbuck. It's so great talking to you, even though these are really trying times for a lot of AMA. Yeah, they are so, Sarah, What, from what you're seeing in your sources and what you've been able to on cover so far, what are the biggest concerns right now in you know, with regard to these vote counts. Well, I think there's a number of concerns. One, we've heard that there have been serious issues with allegedly with the software and the voting machines that were used in this election.

That would be Dominion Voting Systems and Smart Madic. Smartmadock was the company that developed the software for everybody out there who's trying to figure out all of these new companies and words. So Smartmadic allegedly developed the original software that Dominion Voting Systems is connected to. Dominion Voting Systems is used in because forty percent of the American electorate

used Dominion Voting Systems in this general election. That's twenty eight states, So that's a lot of right, that's a lot of people that we're using this system. Now we have Sidney Powell, awesome attorney, probably one of the best litigators in the country right now, obviously a big champion of President Donald Trump. Also defending Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. She has been in his case against the former Obama

administration DJ Robert Muller trial. Now she's on this now she's focused on helping the president and helping the administration of what they believe and what they are alleging systemic fraud in the general election. Now that's Sydney Powell's argument. Jenna Ellis is on the team with her. Former mayor Rudy Giuliani is heading that team. He's also a very good friend of President Trump. Now, what they are saying is that this system is rigged in such a way

that it is almost impossible to proof. Although they say they have proof and affidavits, it is almost impossible to prove fraud. Now. They are saying this because they have been speaking to sources. Some of these sources I have spoken to as well. I have seen and read the affidavits, And now those affidavits are public, and anybody could go out there and read the book and go to my website Seracarter dot com. You can see the story and what Sidney Pale and Jenna Ellis are saying. Look, we

are battling for every legitimate vote, every legitimate vote. This is a huge problem. They say, we need to investigate this. I agree with them. There is one affidavit of an the name is actually removed for the protection of this person, somebody that was actually very close to former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. And you're probably thinking, like, what what does that have to do with us? You know, well, according

to this affidavit. The Smartmatic software was developed in the early two thousands at the direction of Hugo Chavez in his election. He wanted to be able to develop software that would allow him to steal the election without anybody being the wiser. The person in this affidavit, and I have spoken to people directly connected to this person, and I've known about this for a little bit more than a week now. This person was directly connected to Hugo Chavis and in the room when Hugo Chavis asked for

this software to be developed with those developers. According to him, it is the same software. There's an underlying, like mirroring image of this software that actually allows the opposing political party or the party that is aware of what's going on, to kind of watch the votes. At least that's what happened in Venezuela. There have been issues with this software with dominion voting software. Texas would not use it because they felt that there were too many problems with the

software and they felt that it was hackable. Now we know there's a Princeton professor. It's out there on YouTube. He was on Fox News. He's an IT expert. He showed how he could hack Dominion software within seven minutes if he had access to the actual machine and he showed how to do it. Dominion is claiming that that these allegations are completely false and that their software is valid.

So now there's a big battle in the courts, and that's going to be Sydney's another side of this election problem. And I'll, you know, I'll try to make it quick, but is what's happening in Georgia and what's happening in Michigan. In Michigan, there are a lot of claims right now, and the numbers are showing it that there were way more voters than people registered. How did they explain that?

You can't? That's a big problem. In Georgia, what we're seeing is and I just actually got off the phone with some people in Georgia that were marching actually to

the state capitol. They are chanting stop the steal. They're actually out there with Democratic congressman and Jones, who's a big Trump supporter, to the chagrin of all the Democrats, and they're heading to the Secretary of State to his office, demanding to speak with him because right now in Georgia, there have been thousands of votes certainly over three thousand

votes that have been discovered that were never processed. So basically they found memory cards, you know, that were never uploaded to these machines dominion voting systems that were just sitting there. One of them had thousands of votes, like twenty seven hundred votes, so those would have been twenty seven hundred voters that were disenfranchised. And then they found it in another county, and then they founded in Walton County, And I could tell you I was talking to Marcy McCarthy.

She was an observer actually in a Dacab County, Georgia. She was on the floor calling me all the time, telling me what was going on whenever she had a break, and it was very frustrating for her. She couldn't even see what they were doing. Those were the counters tabulating the votes. She felt like it was a big mess. She had told me. She's in a story that I posted on Sarah carter dot com tool meeting. Look, I've never been more frustrated in my life with an election

than I've been with this one. It is so disheartening. So I think what we're seeing across the board, we saw what happened in Nevada. There's issues in Nevada. We saw what's happening now in Arizona, where Maricopa County Congressman Andy Biggs is kind of like, I don't know how this happened, but we want to recount in Maricopa County because everybody, everybody and their mother basically thought that Maricopa County would go to President Trump. Now that's not to

see there was any vote a front at all. Maybe it did go to Joe Biden, we don't know of. Allegedly the first count it shows going to Biden by a small margin. But Congressman Biggs is calling, and he's head of the Freedom Caucus. He's calling for a recount there. He may not get that. So there's a lot of issues across the country book that people are looking at.

It's very complicated because whether or not these end up in the courts, whether or not it's all provable, whether or not the state legislatures, you know, Republican state legislatures should be able to do something if they really believe that there was election fraud or that there were so many irregularities. It's up to the states too. They can stop this, whether they have the courage to do that

or not. Who knows before they certify the votes. But that's the issue now, and that's kind of where everything stands. Speaking to Sarah Carter, investigative journalist, host of The Sarah Carter Show podcast, Sarah, just explain this part to me, if you would, the Sydney Powell allegation. I mean, I'm hearing about all this shady background for Smartmadoc and okay, but do we have any that a software is hackable is not the same thing as saying it was hacked.

What is Powell alleging exactly that someone broke into the software or that someone had access to the tabulation and then new to call a halt and then to add votes in later. And this is where I think we need to have greater clarity. Oh, I totally agree with you. I think there absolutely needs to be greater clarity with this. There are allegations, and Sydney's brought this up and I have not seen proof of this, so I'm just laying

it out there. But Sydney has been talking to sources, and there are a number of sources out there that have, I guess, expressed that there was fraud in connection with these voting machines. But as you have said, proving it is quite different than just making allegations. You and I both know you're an intelligence expert book, I've covered the intelligence community for some time. We understand that, you know,

none of these machines are safe. That we are constantly in a battle with either enemy states or even within our own country to ensure the sanctity of I guess and integrity of our servers and our computer systems, and even our own privacy, you know, because we could get hacked by anyone. But I think like it's very difficult. On the other hand, these are huge companies, These are global companies. They have had issues in the in the past. Look,

Smart Maddock in twenty eighteen was called out in the Philippines. Uh. They were not happy with the way the elections were handled in the Philippines. They didn't feel that dominion voting systems they that came out, which was connected to Smart Madock, was trustworthy. They felt that there was something wrong with the with the elections in the Philippines. Even in twenty ten before um and there were a lot of reporters

actually calling people out on Smart about Smart matter. But remember this is a time where people are are so upset, where the nation is so divided, and I think the worst part of all of this is that, I mean, well, thankfully we have a peaceful, usually peaceful transitions of power, and that's what we hope for in a democracy and

in our republic. But people are so divided now and so angry that I feel like when I talk to people about the election, especially Republicans, because remember, there were over seventy three million people that voted for President Trump, and that's a huge number of people. That's more than any Republican president has ever had in the past. Right, So there are people that are very frustrated and angry. They feel there was just no way in their minds, like,

how could Joe Biden have won this election? No one even showed up to his rallies. We were out there in full force. How could there possibly be more voters in Michigan than are registered? And that needs to be investigated. What happened in Nevada? Why did they see more people that they're allegedly there? I mean, and Rick Cornell has brought this up, the former ambassador to Germany as well as DNI that in Nevada, they saw a number of votes where people were from out of state had voted

in Nevada or had voted twice. So I think everybody's fighting for that, for that vote, for that legitimate vote. And you know, the American public, I think, and has faith in the system overall in general. But I think with what we've seen over the last four years, especially what we've seen with the weaponization of our intelligence agencies, with the weaponization of the FBI against this president and the Lincoln Project and all of these Republicans that hate

President Trump. Right, a lot of people are doubting even this election. They're saying, you know what, this president was so hated by the establishment that it's absolutely possible that anything could have happened. And I really believe that because of that, because of the actions, and because of the lack of trust in our government institutions. Now that has just spilled over into the US election, and now you're just seeing the ramifications of that. People marching in the streets,

people not believing in this election. And in a way, I'm a little bit afraid of where it's all going to go. Sarah. Before we let you get back to uncovering the truth, and we're speaking to Sarah Carter. Go to Sarah Acarter dot com for her latest investigative journalism. Sarah, how much faith can we put in Sydney Powell's allegations just based on what you know of her as a lawyer, and just wait, can we take this to the bank on her credibility? Yeah? Absolutely, Look, I've known Sidney Powell

for years. She's brilliant, she's smart, she's a fighter, and I have never in my life ever spoken to Sydney or seen her work on something as vigorously or even with only a small bit of intent, you know, and not be telling the full truth about it. Sydney has the sources. Sydney knows what's going on here. Now she has to prove it right. And I know, based on the affidavits that she's already obtained, based on the information that she still hasn't made public, that I can take

this to the bank. But remember, Buck, we've been writing around for how long now, since the election in twenty sixteen, for the Department of Justice to do anything about the weaponization of these bureaucracies, agencies that we put our trust in and that abused the system abused, the American voter abused. The president of the United States of America and his family and his friends and anyone that was around him did whatever they wanted, and no one has yet to

pay the price. No one. So I think the issue for us as Americans is like we're waking up now, you know, the beast is rising, and people are saying, wait a minute, is there a two tiered system of justice? Does it even matter if we bring the proof? Would it even matter if we showed up with all of the ballots that we're not fed into the system? Would anyone even care? Because this is the problem that I have.

There are people that hate President Trump so much, people that may have had integrity in the past, that if they had the chance to remove him, I think they would do anything and everything they could to do that, including breaking the law. I believe that we heard about that, they saw that happen, you know. So for me, I you know, I hope that she can prove it. I believe in her. I have faith in her. I know it's a little bit longer of an answer than you expect it, but but I wanted to make it clear.

Sarah Carter, everybody, Sarah a Carter dot Com for her latest Follow her also on Twitter, and listen to her show, The Sarah Carter Show. Sarah, my friend. Always great to talk to you. Thanks so much. Oh, thanks so much for having me on Buck. You're in the Freedom. This is the Buck Sex and Show Podcast. Yeah. I think

a lot of the guidelines you're seeing are Orwellian. Let me start by saying, the CDC has put out considerations as we prepare to go about Thanksgiving about socially distancing, wearing masks, doing what you can, and there's a whole list, a page of very good considerations, And in that they say we're not recommending a certain number of people, but we are giving considerations that you should put in place. And I think that's the American way. The American people

know how to protect their health. We've dealt with COVID for many months. But it's Orwellian in a place like organ to say if you in numbers more than six, we might come to your house and arrest you when you get thirty days of jail time. That's not the American way. We don't lose our freedom in this country.

We make responsible health decisions as individuals. Amen to that, going to arrest you, they say in Oregon, they're gonna arrest you, or at least they can, and I hope they don't do what they say they have the power to do. Is not the way we function in a free society. That's not what the constitutionally guarantee liberty is by being an American. And yet that's where we are.

People are okay with this. There's police power now that's going to be used to prevent you from gathering with your family because of the very small possibility that you may transmit a virus for which there is a very small possibility that you will die. Oh okay. Explain to me again how this won't be abused in the future. Explain to me again, how we aren't a society that's

increasingly being conditioned to just shut up. Do we're told by the experts and the elites, no matter how often they're wrong, no matter how much they violate the Bill of Rights, doesn't matter. Right, do what you're told, peasant? When do we say it's enough? When have we all had enough? I'm already there. Who's with me? Who wants to start something else? Who wants to push a movement here to nullify these unconstitutional insanities. Thanks for listening to

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It's also a place where we're posting new stories. I'll be posting editorials I have been, I won't be posting more. So please do make that a part of your daily routine. So we want to check it in on our buddy producer Mark. Hey, producer, Mark, How you doing good? How are you Buck? I don't like that it's thirty something agrees in New York. I didn't sign up for this. That's why I just stay indoors. Temperature is always the

same in here. Probably a good move, but you know, if you move to Pennsylvania, I know you're in New Jersey. Move to Pennsylvania. You got a mask up indoors now too, in my own apartment. Yeah, if anyone else is there, that's the rule. No, thank you. Yeah, that's not happening. That's right, that's not happening. See, they're just gonna keep pushing until we say blank off. We should get one of those little beet buttons so I can just go beep whatever I want to say, something that I'm allowed

to say, we bleep it. I can always just edit it in. That's true too. But I'm just saying we go, we got we got bleeps, we got things I gotta say. I'm just hoping New Jersey doesn't mess up indoor dining before my anniversary. Oh you going Italian? No, we're going to like a some trendy place. My wife wanted to go. Hey, you know, she's the wife. She wants to romance romantic, Fine, whatever you want. Yeah. I mean you don't really strike me as generally a scented candles guy, but you gotta

make the lady happy. I actually do like scented candles. Really, what's wrong with them? I don't know, nothing wrong with your house spelling? Nice? Hey okay, hey, hey, you know producer Mark full of surprises for everybody good to know. So all right, now, let's see what the folks think of and the roll call here, let's get into some of this. Ralph Hey Bugger producer Mark input on the student loan section of the November sixteenth show. I have

a teaching degree through student loans. I've made three hundred dollars a month plus in monthly payments for fifteen years and have only paid ten thousand dollars toward the principle, which is forty nine thousand, five hundred dollars. I had to go to college to get a sufficient job to raise my family. The current interest rate is five point seven five percent, which ensures the loan will never be paid off of my lifetime. I'm sixty five now, I'm not a liberal and feel I have a worthwhile degree

in a field that pays very little. The loan structure needs to change to a bank loan format so loans can be paid off in a timely manner. Otherwise, the student loan system is another unlimited income source for the FEDS. Shield tie, I signed not a privilege eighteen year old kid, Ralph. Look, I sympathize which with your situation, my friend, and these loans they are. They're non dischargeable, so that I have to remember they're non dischargeable and anyone can get them

regardless of credit history or ability to pay. So in that sense, they're not normal loans. I mean when you go to get a loan for a house, they want to see income, they want to see bank statements, they want to see you know, your job, they want to see all these things because they're taking a risk. You don't want to do this. But if you take out a mortgage for a home and then you can't pay it, you can walk away from that. You know, you could mail in the keys to the bank and say here

you go. Now that'll ruin your credit for at least ten years and it's not a good thing, and they'll send collections after you and ever. But you can discharge it in bankruptcy usually. I mean, I don't know that much about this, but I do know that it is possible to walk away from a house and then the bank is stuck with a home that they have to sell. And you know that that's how this goes. But there's a risk factor into this for you and for the bank.

With student loans, it's okay, we're gonna give this to you. We're gonna give you this this amount of money for your loans, and this is the rate you're gonna pay it back, and you can never get out of this. It's really it's effectively impossible. I mean, I've heard of some stories of getting out of it, but it's basically impossible. Well, that's not the way that the mark it's supposed, that's not the market working. This is this is government policy

enacted through a loan program. So, Ralph, I I sympathize with you getting a you know, a teaching degree through student loans. I mean, if the government really is going to do what it's doing right now, what they should say is if you go into certain public sector or public interest work, there'll be a government forgiveness of your loans. But then what you have is effectively the taxpayer subsidizing certain degrees. And Ralph, I'd be very curious, maybe you

want to write and tell us. And I asked this question all honesty, could you have done your teaching job without getting an advanced degree? You know, I'm just I'm just wondering, could you have done your teaching job that I'm assuming you've got a master's here although I'm trying to most public schools do require a master's at least eventually, right right, That's okay, so exactly my point here. So if you need a master's to teach, do you really

that's a a certific cation requirement. But I'm asking you, Ralph, do you think that you could have been a great teacher without that masters? Because that's the way to really rethink it. And I'm not saying this is on you. I'm just saying the system. Why do public schools require this? Isn't a bachelor's degree enough to teach kids, especially if you're gonna if you're gonna specialize in a subject. And so that's what I mean. I think there's a lot there.

Brian Rights just on an article saying that regular and double stuff oreos that are gluten free will be here come January. Thoughts, great show is always gentlemen shields high Well, Brian, that's good news and bad news. Good news in that oreos are delicious, bad news in that I'm trying to fit into my suits again and it's coming along slowly here and double stuff oreos are not going to help in that process. Pucer Mark Favorite Cookies M Favorite package chookie.

Absolutely out of the chocolate cream. Oreos the best. Yeah, what are the uh do you remember a cookie's called the hydros or something like that. Do you remember that from a long no idea? What that is? They're like the rip off oreos, you know, they're like the fakey oreos, you know, the newman zones. Oreos like the healthy It's it's like an off brand. It's like the off brand Oreos. They're not as good. Yeah, and oreos. I used to eat them because I used to be a gluten eater

for first thirty years of my life. And oreos are delicious, I will say that. And if you the problem is if you dunk them in milk. They're so easy to consume that you can knock off a whole sleeve oreos and you're just like, oh, that wasn't that wasn't hard. I don't even want to know how many calories are gonna sleeve of oreos. I don't even need to need the milk. I can just knock off a sleeve of orios. That's why I don't keep them in the house. Yeah No,

And they'd be dangerous for me to have around. Oreos. I'll just I'll just h it's very the gluten free orios that are coming out. I gotta there has to be a treat that I see at people's houses for parties or something, and then I'll have one or two and that's it, all right, But who's buying gluten free oreos for a party? People that that Buck is coming to their house Producer Mark, Yeah, but then they're gonna be like, hey, Buck, take the rest of this because

we're not going to eat them. That is true. I do end up getting sent home with the gluten free products that people buy to be kind to me when they know him coming to their house, and then I eat them and you know, crackers and all that stuff. Yeah, it's the life. What can I tell you? Friends, Don bucking Mark, regular listener of your program since March. Mark, you do a great job. I have read Gates of fire Buck upon your recommendation, and found it a very

inspiring story. I think that US freedom lovers of today should adopt the Spartan's attitude to fight the rampant corruption in our federal government. Now. I appreciate every time I hear you say shields high, Don. I am not a big novel readery. Really. I'm a history guy and a nonfiction guy for books, but I just I thought Gates of Fire was fantastic. It's a Stephen Pressman novel, historical fiction,

and it's amazing. It's just really well written. It's just it's great and there's so much in and it's so rich the way he does it. So I'm glad you enjoyed Gates of Fire. Highly highly recommended. I think you'll Anyone else who hasn't read it, I will really enjoy it. And thank you for listening. Great to have a new, relatively new listener to the show. Joseph buck Obama says, we would not expect the kind of behavior from children

if they lost that Trump is displaying. No, the behavior we wouldn't expect is the kind of crying, kicking, and screaming that the Democrats displayed when they lost the twenty sixteen elections. It bothers me how much they ignore their own actions and they act high and mighty as they condemn people who have behaved far more maturely than they

ever did or have. Yeah, Joseph, I mean that's a big part of I think the mentality right now that conservatives have around all of this is that we're being kind of lectured by the other side about decorum and how to act when they are the ones. They are the ones that we're marching out in the streets screaming my president and acting like lunatics and screaming at the sky.

When Hillary lost in twenty sixteen and took it those many steps further into the Russia collusion hoax, took it those many steps further into pretending something happened that didn't just to make themselves feel better. The whole thing is honestly an outrage, but no accountability, no accountability in this whatsoever. They just they've gotten away. Look, they've gotten away with it. I wish I could say otherwise, but this is what

they're doing. This is what they're up to. Pete. Is there a place to see a compilation of all these races across the country. How many mayors, governors, representative centers, etc. For the local the federal level won their Republican races, Democrat or other. Pete. I'm sure there is, but I don't know of one off hand. But there's lots of maps and data crunching, and you know, this is all over the all over the interwebs now, so you should be able to find it if you google it up.

But if you find it great one, please send it into us and maybe we can share it here on the show, share it on bucksexon dot com. But yeah, that is one of the big outstanding questions here. How is it that Republicans did so well in the House. How is it the Republicans had such a strong showing in other ways but Joe Biden managed to beat Trump. Anyway, It's not that it's impossible, but it does raise some questions. It doesn't it doesn't prove fraud, but it does indicate

that there's something funky. As I like to say, what is that funky smell? We don't know. Why don't we find out? Let's find out what the funky smell is? Right, Producer Mark, Yeah, you use a candle. Discussed this before, exactly cover up the funky smell with a scented candle. Do you have a favorite? Are you like a sage and and you know ce salt guy or something? What do you what do you go for? I mean, I

was like a nice vanilla candle something like that. Now I'm just picturing Producer Mark and missus Mark's house in New Jersey, like Enya is always playing in the background, and you guys have you know, dim dim lights and uh and candles go. First of all, I don't own a house yet. Second of all, look, I mean what I didn't really candles were abnormal? No. I like candles. I like you will even talk about lighting candles in your own I'm a big fan. I'm a big fell

I don't like the scented ones in much. I just like candles in general. I think that they're they're soothing. But you know, I'm just trying to get a sense of what it's like over at the Casa cosa day producer Mark. I forgot the one we had recently, but it smelled amazing. It wasn't vanilla. It was like some sort of pumpkin spiced cheesecake thing, like something like like

dessert flavored. I mean, I would say we should start a candle called like Essence or Freedom Hut, but it would be this smell left over after you char grill a riby, after you've cooked bacon on the same pan that morning, mixed with a lot of coffee mugs that still have like a coffee ring around them because you haven't cleaned them yet. I don't know. I don't know if that's really what people need. You know, I can't imagine a lot of cleaning goes on in the freedom

mund No, it's I need help sometimes. The good thing is when the snow Princess comes over for visits. I need this to not be like a hazmat suit only environment. So I basically termed my entire domicile into some form of of you know, content creation. Now. I mean I've got wires everywhere and cameras and lights and everything else. So I try to create little areas of calm. So that's where that's where the candles come in, you know,

I create the little little corner. I do have a giant couch that we call old Gray, and it's way too big for the space, but I don't care because two people can comfortably not uncomfortably comfortably sleep on this thing at one time. It's an l shape, and I gotta say that thing is my salvation man. You know, at the end of the day, it'll just you just fall into it. It's this big, fluffy gray hug. It's amazing. It's like me and my recliner. Yeah, oh, you gotta

is it lazy boy? I know something from like Raymond Flanningen or something. Yeah, it's nice. You gotta have your chair. Every every man's got to have that comfy chair. I do the show, you know. I do radio. For anybody who watches our videocast, if it, they'll see it. I do radio in a chair. This chair that I do it in is falling apart. I've had to tape parts of it back together and everything else. But something about

this chair is so comfy, you know. And when you find that comfy chair, it's like that comfortable sweatshirt you've had for ten years that just feels better than all the other sweatshirts. You're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast, rolling on with Roll Call Brandy, because there are enough time for these lawsuits brought on by the Trump campaign to play out. What happens if December comes, the states have to make this election official

and there's still litigation happening, Brandy. There are deadlines. There are deadlines for state certification, deadlines for electoral college. And we will have a president by We will have a president by an auguration day, that's for sure. The system is set up in that way, and if they can still be having they can still have lawsuits pending. But if the process continues, unless the judge is going to shut down things like the certification, we're gonna it moves along,

I think, is the answer here. So we will have a president as of January twentieth. And there's a lot of ways this could go. But as I've been saying, do you prepare yourselves, friends, prepare yourselves for the very serious possibility that it is it is Biden who ends up as the president here. I'm not saying give up, and I'm just saying, psychologically, get ready for that. I don't want you to be, you know, caught unaware or

not not that you really could be. At this point, we all know he's ahead in the electrocompet I mean, you know, prepare yourself for that psychologically, because we might we might be making that switch at some point and it's disappointing, but that's where we are. We operate here in the real world, right one of the one of the principle of this show. We operate in the world as it is, not as we wish it would be. Chris Hey buck Love, the show listen every day. Great job,

thanks for keeping us posted with the news. Love the Hillary impersonation. You had to be rolling with the Hillary Halloween trick or treat. I hear you talking about the Democrat governors and mayors and how terrible they're handling the COVID deal, calling them out. Don't forget to rip on King Polis, our tyrannical governor in Colorado and his sidekick Michael Hancock, the terrible mayor of Denver who has ten cities all over and together they let the peaceful protesters

spray paint the capitol. It's sad and disgusting. So give them hell, well, Chris, I'm giving them hell right now. Absolutely. Polis, the governor of California, California, the governor of California as a different governor. The governor of Colorado is doing a terrible job and we all know that. And it's a shame the Colorado has become this state that's blue, such a beautiful place, so much going for it. But that's

the issue. Democrats. They leave the places they've ruined, as we know, and then they want to ruin other places with the same failed policies, the same bad ideas. So that's that's something that we have to find an antidote too. We have to find a way to push back against that. Otherwise we're gonna keep on running into the same problems, the same same nonsense. Friends, that's the show for today. Please pass the buck. Share the podcast with someone in

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