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Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode, we have our friend Steven Miller joining us. He is the founder and president of america First Legal, former senior advisor in the Trump White House. Mister Miller, good to have you, sir.
Great to be here. Thank you so much.
So let's start, if we can, with the the word unprecedented has gotten a lot of usage. Well, wrongly when it comes to things that Trump had had done that we're so awful, and then correctly when it comes to things they've done against a former president and possible future president Trump, the many legal, many legal efforts to prosecute and perhaps even incarcerate the former president. What do you make of it?
A minute?
As we speak right now, the J six indictment from Jack Smith has not come down. It is expected to come down by the time people see this or hear this. It may have What is their endgame here and what does this mean for the law in this country?
Well, I think their endgame is quite clear, and it's important not to overthink this right. In other words, when somebody is trying to throw the leader of the political opposition in jail, you should not engage in too many layers of overly complicated analysis. What you see is what is happening. What you think is happening is what is happening.
And that is very straightforward. If Donald Trump was not running for president, if he was not the front runner for president, does one person honestly believed that he would be facing federal indictment right now?
Of course not. Of course you would not be.
This is about trying to keep President Trump from returning to the White House, just like the Russia hoax in twenty sixteen was about trying to incapacitate the presidency and force him out of office, and every other frame job since then, this is about trying to prevent the return of President Trump to the White House, and again to try to engage any well, maybe there's this other motive and maybe the tray to this, maybe train to that.
When you charge a man with dozens of federal indictments that are a functional life sentence, and then you try to do it again in a second courtroom, in a second citty to effectively give a man what would be a life jail sentence. I do not need to read any deeper into your motives than to say that they're trying to keep President Trump out of the White House.
How do you see this just in terms of process, Steven, you're a lawyer, you run I'm actually.
Believe it or not, I'm a oh I tell lords what to do for a living, but I'm not one of myself.
Oh well there we go. Okay, so you run America First Legal, but you're not actually an in front of yourself. Good to know. Tell me, then, what do you think I think the strategy will be of the Trump legal team with regard to are they going to push these prosecutions until after the election or does the former president want to get them done before the election.
Well, I can't speak to what his strategy between him and as lures would be, but what I can say is that it is very clear that the government strategy is they want to incarcerate him before the election. And we know that because of how they are wrangling over the trial dates that we've already seen in the Florida case. So it's very clear that what their objective is is to have a trial and then incarceration prior to the election.
And one of the things about the way they do the term is stacked indictments, where you have, yeah, literally dozens of repetitive charges. Is the idea is that even if you win every single count, as long as there is one that you don't win again, it can be the functional equivalent of a life sentence. You have so many statutes in this country, statutes designed to go after drug kingpins, statues designed to go after cartel leaders, statues designed to go after the worst of the worst, mob bosses,
right people who kill and rape for a living. The thing about these statues that are on the books in many cases is that even one of them can be again the equivalent of a life sentence. So what they're trying to do here is to make it so that they can throw everything at the wall and hope that just one thing can get across the finish line for them and they can take out the leader of the political opposition.
How are President Trump's spirits in.
All of this, Well, every time that I've talked to him, I've never seen him more determined and committed to stay the course and to save this country. Every time I've
spoken with him. I have seen that he understands clearly the historical moment that we are in and the need to see through to completion what he started in twenty fifteen, and that is to ultimately liberate this government from the clutches of an unaccountable, unelected permanent bureaucracy, to take on both the globalist class and DC, the financial class in Wall Street, the permanent political class, and restore true democracy of buying for the people.
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Law, Well, at this moment, we have this sovereignty and we have no immigration law, and therefore, in a literal sense, we have no country. What we have right now is an economy, we have a place where people are living.
We have a government.
We don't have a country, because the country requires you to have a border, have rules of citizenship, rules of entry, rules of admission, rules that determine who could become a member of your society. And so during this period of President Biden is in office, there is no immigration law.
There is no sovereignty, there is no country.
And the best illustration of that is that Joe Biden has now initiated a policy of escorting illegal aliens directly to.
Our ports of entry.
These are our land ports along the border in which lawful travelers would normally present themselves for entry into the country. So that would be, for example, people here on business. It would be a dual citizens so you're a Mexican citizen and an American citizen, and it would be the lanes of traffic that go back and forth to the United States and Mexico.
And so those courts of entry.
Are now where they are bringing illegal aliens and they are admitting them the course of entry. So we've gone from border security as in law enforcement, halting, blocking, deterring, and deporting legal aliens to now going in search of going to find illegal aliens, transporting them to our course of entry and bringing them directly into the country. And
they're doing this through a process known as parole. And that term is so they may be familiar to you from the domestic criminal justice context, right when we parole American citizens in the context of a criminal proceeding. But in this context, what it means is that you're giving a preemptive amnesty to an illegal alien. So they're saying to illegal aliens by the hundreds of thousands now, they are saying that we are going to let you go
to the country. We're going to give you a two year renewable deportation immunity, and we're going to be the eligibility to apply for a work permit. And so that's what's happening right now. And so this is a plan, premeditated,
purposeful assault on our sovereignty. And my organization, America First Lead five one C three nonprofit is working on several ongoing lawsuits against the body of the administration's mass illegal Alien Settlement program and the use of this parole authority to mint new migrants that are here illegally and make them into their next DOCA class. And we are also pushing Congress to defund all of these are settlement operations
in the upcoming appropriations bill. So government funding expires on September thirtieth, and Congress has the power, if they choose to use it, to say that you cannot use, Biden, we cannot use any taxpayer dollars to release a resettle illegal alience into the United States, whether it be through parole or any of the other catchmer release schemes they have. But as long as this continues, we are not any real sense of country.
Stephen. What would have to happen to fix this situation? I mean, let's just fast forward a little bit. We're going to get into this happy mindset for a second.
Here.
Let's say that President Trump becomes President Trump again. He wins, He defeats all the everything that's been thrown against him. Right, How does the promise that he made back in twenty fifteen really of securing the border and ending the massive
influx of illegal immigration? How is that actually implemented? Like what could be done in four more years, or rather with four more years, that would finally bring us to a place where, like a lot of other countries, we actually have a it's never going to be perfect, right, but we have a pretty secure border.
Well, I think a lot of people.
So this also there does tell two what I was saying earlier about how I tell lawyers what to do for a living.
Right.
In my job now as the President of America, first legal right, we lead a hardcore team of lawyers and litigators fighting against lawlessness all over this country. Well, when I was in the Trump administration, my job on behalf of the president was to direct the enforcement and implementation of our immigration laws, which involved working with many skilled attorneys, many talented legal minds, and that is how we implemented
this regime. Under President Trump, there was this bullet proof anti illegal immigration program and so in twenty twenty, what we had was, to use that favorite word of yours, was unprecedented in its breadth and depth and completeness. And so we had, as you already mentioned, Title forty two, which is the public health Exclusion, so in order to protect the public health of Americans, you can turn away legal aliens immediately. We also had something that was known
as safe third agreements. Many people don't know what these are, but in short, what it means is that let's say you have the illegal alien from Honduras and they showed with the border and they said, I want asylum here. You, if you have a safe third agreement, can say we have a safe third agreement with Guatemala. You cannot apply for asylum here. You have only two options. You can go home to Honduras or you can move to Guatemala.
The choice is yours. So a lot of people don't know that we get signed three save third agreements in twenty twenty one with Honduras, one with Guatemala, and one with Elsaliar. In addition to that, we also had a number of rapid deportation programs that were able to get illegal aliens to their home countries immediately without entering our
domestic legal system. So, in other words, the old system of they go to Ice and they hire a lawyer and they go to an immigration court, we'd implemented a number of reforms that made it so the border patrol could get an illegal alien onto an airplane and back of their home country immediately. And so the combination of these authorities allowed us to have a zero catcher release policy.
Anyone we apprehended went home immediately, and so what you would see in twenty twenty five, if we were to both re implement these policies to put in place them. The new policies the President Trumps talked about publicly is you would have an effective asylum ban across the entire
southwest border. So that would mean is is that any illegal alien from anywhere in the world, through a combination of authorities, would be able to be deported instantaneously and ideally to be deported far away from the northern Mexico border, our southern border, so that any return journey would be
exceptionally difficult. And on top of that, you would layer a robust prosecution policy so that individuals who are smuggling, who are trafficking, who are repeat re entrance, who are harboring, aiding, embedding all the different federal criminal statues. You would then work with a new DOJ to put those illegal aliens behind bars for a very long period of time. So
you both have you have two massive determs. You have instantaneous deportation, but then for individuals who are committing other crimes that have lengthy jail sentences attached to them, you're putting them behind bars, and you're keeping them behind bars and So when smugglers and traffickers are looking at ten, fifteen, twenty years behind bars, what doj should be doing Stopping sex traffickers, stop you, stopping human Trafficker's not trying to
jail Republicans. Just those two things alone, as a deportation and aggressive prosecution, we're bringing our border down to a trickle.
But to come in and ask you in just a moment here, Steven, to tell us about some of what your foundation is America first legal doing with regard to the Affirmative Action Supreme Court decision and how it's effectively told everybody for college admissions, and one would think for corporate America in general, racism is not legal anymore, racism in favor of some at the expense of others. I
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paid for by rogue economics. Stephen, What can be done so there's actual enforcement of the Supreme Court's decision, very clear decision that you cannot do discrimination on the basis of race, no matter how much people think it may be a nice idea or not.
Yes, So this is an area where conservatives need to do better, where in the past you've won these big Supreme Court rulings and then we've done nothing to actually enforce and follow up on those rulings. So, as you may remember, some years ago, we won the first iteration and I mean we in the global sense. The movement won the first iteration of the of the forcing a baker to bake some of they don't want a bake case, right, remember that case where there was the bakers.
This is less of course ten now, right, wasn't the guy Gibson the cakes or something? Yeah, go ahead, and the Masterpiece cake shop and Masterpiece cake Shop? Sorry sorry yeah.
And he was and he won the case. He won the case. It was like ten years ago. Now I get the years wrong a little bit right, but it was a long time ago. And thinking about the ten years since then, the the trans movement has dominated us more. The lgbt q A plus plus movement has dominated us more at every facet.
Of American life, because even though they lost.
The case, the left kept going with the law fair harassing every employer across the country to implement their agenda, and conservatives popular shait pain is oh, look, we won the case, now let's move on. So what my organization is doing is saying, okay, we want the Supreme Court CAAs. I mean, we globally conservatives and Americans secure about these issues, right, but now we have to enforce the damn thing. So we need Americans across this country. We see discrimination both
in the university and in the workplace. To contact us so that if you have out claim we can represent you, or if you have valid information, then we can follow up on it and find a willing plaintiff. So we launched a hotline one eight seven seven AFL five four or five four one eight seven seven AFL five four or five four, or you can just go to our
website aflegal dot org and write us there. And we are saying to all Americans, if you see racism in the workplace, if you see racism in your graduate school, if you see racism in your undergraduate college or university, contact us. Tell us what has happened. If there's an actionable claim, we want to pursue it. This is how you're going to actually change things in the real world, because we all know the universities are going to try to program around it, the colleges are going to try
to program around it. Every educational institution, and certainly every major corporate institution of America is going to try to program around it. The only way you stop them, the only way you beat them, is by taking them to court, not once, not twice, not three times, but over and over and over again until you legally beat them into submission.
In our court system.
Stephen Miller of America First Legal. What's what's the website?
Stephen af legal dot org, af legal dot org.
Thank you for all the work you're doing, sir. Thanks for making time for a year. Appreciated