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after a long time on the sidelines. We'll be talking to you a little bit about that more later on in the show, but I wanted to start off by talking about something that I found particularly egregious over the past couple of days. And it's really it's ugly head once again. And I feel like a lot of people aren't paying enough attention to this, but the Democrat Party in the United States at the moment, alongside the left leaning media, I think, is becoming increasingly and overtly anti Semitic.

The level of jew hate tread out there on the political left, ladies and gentlemen is not just becoming commonplace now but actually rather routine and expected of left wing politicians and left wing news outlets. There was a cartoon you'll remember in the New York Times, in the international version of the New York Times this weekend. At least, I hope you remember. Everybody should have seen this. Everybody

should have been paying attention to this this weekend. It was an absolutely ghastly cartoon that depicted a blind President Trump with a yamaker on a kippah, being led with a with a taut leash by his German dashon seeing eye dog that resembled Benjamin Nett and Yahoo, the Israeli Prime Minister, and in the cartoon, Benjamin Nett and Yahoo had a star of David on his dog collar. Now, if you're trying to make an assertion that the Israeli Prime minister is leading the US president, you could do

it without or that's Jewish symbolism. You could do it without the German dog. You could do it without the kipper on Donald Trump's head. But no, they chose, The New York Times chose intentionally to lead with with Jewish symbolism that would be would be probably well placed in the Nazi era newspaper Dishturma. Right, That's that's where that sort of offensive symbology historically can be seen. And you see it often as well still, and I think a lot of people have to pay very close attention to

this as well. You see it on the sort of neo Nazi side of the of the political debate in both the United States and indeed in Europe. And you'll notice I don't say the extreme right or the far right, because I don't believe that Nazis have anything to do with the political right. I don't. I think perhaps they seek to latch on to us, onto people like me who are right wing, but but they have nothing to

do with us, almost nothing in common. They tend to be very socialistic in their economic policies, very totalitarian, and a very unlibertarian in their in their social policies. It disturbs me deeply because not only did the New York Times lead with this cartoon this weekend, they've done it

again today. There is another cartoon in the New York Times International today depicting a selfie stick wielding Benjamin Nett in Yahoo with a tablet in his hand as if he's coming down from Mount Sinai with a star of David on it. Again, and these things are often not contextualized. The one that you saw this weekend actually showed something that was not related to the article that was underneath the cartoon. It was just an offensive cartoon for the

sake of having an offensive cartoon. It was just due hatred for the sake of due hatred. And why am I talking about this? Why does a cartoon in the New York Times matter on a Monday evening when so

much else is going on a new cycle? Because I tell you what, ladies and gentlemen, the accusations of bigotry and racism and xenophobia and all those sorts of things have been levied at the political right for so long, and I have said for so long, and those of you who have listened to me before on this show, who've seen my writing before, and who've listened to Buck on this show before, you know you will know that we don't just outright reject those things. We have said

time and time again. The left is projecting. It's projecting its own disturbing identity politics. It's projecting its own disturbing hatred for significant groups in the United States and indeed all across Europe and the wider world as well. They project what they think onto us and shout bigger, bigger, biggot. They are the biggots. Ladies and gentlemen. They've proved it, not just once. This weekend. When The New York Times didn't apologize, they said, they said they what was it? Regret?

We expressed regret. It was so sorry. They said it found its way in somehow it didn't meet our editorial standards. Don't know how it happened, won't happen again. It happened again today, happened again two days later. What I'm saying to you is this level of political discourse is now institutionalized on the political left. And you'll probably notice I don't speak with an American accent. I'm from the United Kingdom, and in the United Kingdom, the leader of the Opposition

Party is a chap called Jeremy Corbyn. Now, Jeremy Corbyn is an old school Marxist. I mean he is of the hard left. He makes Bernie Sanders look like Ron Paul. He makes Bernie Sanders looked like a right wing libertarian. Jeremy Corbyn has been known to march alongside Hezbollah supporters in Trafalgar Square and in Parliament Square on the annual

Al Kood's Day march. Jeremy Corbyn invited to tea in the House of Commons, members of the Irish Republican Army, the terrorist faction the IRA, just a few weeks after they tried to bomb the British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and half of the cabinet at the Conservative Party conference back in the eighties. Jeremy Corbyn has had lunch with

leaders of Hamas. Jeremy Corbyn has spun for Iranian state Television Press TV, and that level of Marxism that has at its core, at its core anti Semitism as a part and parcel of it, has now found its way over to the United States. And I've been warning about this for years. We've seen it happen to our politics in the United Kingdom, the left pulling further and further to left, and they get away with it because media outlets not only do not hold them to account, but

they give them succor and support. Who remember when elan Omar, this new congresswoman, was accused of antisemitism, rightfully so, just a couple of weeks ago, almost all of the Democrat establishment and everyone in the mainstream media rode to her aid they said, no, she's not antisemitic. You're just saying that because she's a Muslim, or she's a Somali woman, or she's an immigrant, or she's brown. You know, they hurled every single thing they could possibly hurl in her

defense at the people. And they weren't just right wingers, by the way. There were still some people on her side saying how unacceptable this was. There were still some people in the middle saying how unaccept all this was. But they hurled at all of us who were objecting to her behavior, to Linda Sarsau's behavior, to Lewis Farakhan's behavior, to the new political left in the United States behavior.

They hurled all these things in their defense. And I have to tell you, I think that creates an incredibly disturbing line of demarcation now, and it's something that we have to pay very close attention to because it has

real world implications. If the political right is supposed to own Richard Spencer, if the political right is supposed to own Jason Kessler, who is an Obama supporter, by the way, who put together that Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, if we have that cross to bear, then the left should at least be expected to take action against extremism political extremism within their own ranks, and at this point in time, ladies and gentlemen, they don't they aren't expected

to do that. And that is something that I think as we are led into the twenty twenty election cycle, will become even more prevalent. Remember the Democrat National Convention the last time over. On the first day of the Democrat National Convention, and by the way, the media matters of the world will say, no, no, this is fake news. What rahem is about to say, it's not fake news.

Go and look at it yourself. On the first day of the convention, there were more Palestinian flags in that convention hall for the DNC than there were American flags. Identity politics has gone way to the extreme. The placation of the jew hatred that stems from many Middle Eastern countries and many North African countries that finds its roots in radical or Orthodox Islam is now a mainstay the Democratic Party of America. And again it has real world implications.

The people who are shooting up synagogues out there, the people who are burning churches out there, the people who are assailing simply because they disagree with somebody's religious perspective. They are encouraged by hearing these things from your representatives, and they are encouraged by seeing them in your press. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is my i suppose opening statement for the day. We have a great show for you, packed full of great guests. We're going to go really

around the world today. We're going to talk a little bit about what's going on in my home country, the United Kingdom. As I'm sure some of you are aware, we voted to leave a little thing called the European Union a couple of years ago, and it still hasn't happened. We've got one of the candidates who are standing for an all new part he called the Brexit Party. His name is Martin Daubeney. He will be joining us on

the show. We've got Jason Miller, the former communications director for the Trump twenty twenty campaign, will be joining us. Jack Persobic of One American News, Terry Schilling the American Principles Project, and my business partner, Will Chamberlain, who is a great a great lawyer and a great political commentator. Some of you may have seen his periscopes and lady does on Twitter. He'll be joining us as well, along with President Ryan Williams of the Claremont Foundation also, so

stay tuned. You're not going to want to miss this show. Ladies and gentlemen. This is the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheem Kassam. We'll be right back. Okay, welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. My name is Raheem Casalm, the global editor in chief of Human Events dot Com. I'm very pleased to be joined now by Jason Miller, the former senior communications adviser to the Trump campaign and the chief spokesman for the Trump's transition team. Jason, thanks for

joining us. Raheem, thank you so much for having me on. I was going to say Buck sounds a little bit different today, but I'm kind of digging into action. I can only imagine what Buck Sexton doing an impersonation of Raheem Gassam would sound like. I'm sure very offensive to everyone. Jason. I wanted to ask you. The Trump twenty twenty campaign manager Brad Pascal was on the televisions this weekend talking about the bigger and better campaign that he foresees for

next year. Obviously a lot of people are thinking, wow, with this Democrat lineup of candidates, it's going to be a walk in the park for President Trump, but Brad

doesn't seem to think so. Brad seems to think, you know, they've got to throw everything in the kitchen sink and even more at this I wonder if you agree with that, and also what you think of his strategy that he outlined talking about other sort of states that haven't traditionally been in play coming into coming into being battleground states

next year. So great question. Having been part of President Trump's historic twenty sixteen campaign, knowing Brad Parsco and the Trump team very well, I think what Brad's doing is smart for a couple of reasons. Number one, he's being realistic that this is the country is still very divided

on the partisan basis. And even though President Trump has taxes and reduced regulations and fought for better trade deals and we're seeing wage growth greater than inflation for the first time in a heck of a long time, the fact of the matter is is the media is going to attack President Trump every single day from now all the way up through twenty twenty. So what Brad is doing is he's organizing and professionalizing a top shelf campaign that's ready to go to battle regardless of whoever the

Democratic nominee is. There's another important things I think Brad's doing, which is recognizing that partisan and demographic shifts in certain states are changing the outlook and the prospects for twenty twenty. So where you take a look at, say, for example, Minnesota in Wisconsin and even Michigan I think will even be in better position for President Trump as we go into and actually I'd say also Ohio in Florida. I think all of those states will be in better position

for President Trump than they were in twenty sixteen. You look at certain states such as Arizona, Texas, North Carolina that I think will be a bit tougher going into twenty twenty just because of the way folks are moving around. And I think it's important that Brad lights that fire now and so nobody's asleep at the switch. Yeah, I mean in your estimation. Two questions that follow on from that in my mind, Number one, what do you make

of the fundraising capabilities now? Because again I think there is a level of complacency out there given the field. I mean, what have we got, We've got, We've got Pete Butter joke or whatever his name is. We've got Joe Biden, We've got Kamala Harris. I mean, Beto is just disappeared by the way. Anybody's seen Beto recently or I think he had a rally of about twelve people

the other day or something like that. So there may be a level of complacency out there, especially as regards fundraising, I think, and I'm concerned a little bit about that. And the other question I guess is what do you see the campaign issues being. What do you see Brad focusing on in terms of policy as we go into next year? Another good question here, So with regard to

the complacency, I completely agree with you on this. Now, the good news is is that President Trump is still turning out huge crowds and people still show up, and I think his base will be energized. But I think for so many Trump voters there, I think this is part of the reason why we got hit so bad in twenty eighteen. They feel really good about where things are. We're historic lows for unemployment rate, so we're seeing the fact that China is actually making moves to come at

us with a better trade deal. There's a whole long way to that actually getting done and being enforced in being concrete in finalized here. But the fact of the matter is that Trump is winning on so many different fronts continue Supreme Court justices that I feel a lot of our voters won't just to be honest with I think I've gotten really lazy and they think that everything's fine. And of course everyone around the country is going to recognize the great work that Trump's doing, and so I

get where I worry about that. I think you're completely right there, and that's part of the reason why I think it's smart that Parscale is lighting the fire and some of these traditional Republican states to get people thinking, to get them more, to get them start actually motivated. So that's that's smart of him to do. On the here is where when we talked about the twenty twenty field, and obviously there's news today with Joe Biden doing his I guess they call it a rally, but it does

look like there are many people there in Pittsburgh. I'm a bit of a contrarian when it comes to Trump allies. I actually think Joe Biden is literally the single best nominee that Donald Trump could go up against in the general election the best chances of winning. Now, I know that might sound a little bit crazy, but hear me out for a moment. I think the traditional Washington mindset is to look at things in kind of a linear

ideological construct. Who's the moderate, who's the conservative, who's the liberal? Where people? And also in the pure geographic terms. Joe Biden was born in Pennsylvania and then spent most of his adult life in Delaware and Washington, DC, so he might have advantages in different places. I don't look at it that at all. I think that what's more important

here is Jason. Jason, sorry to interrupt you. We're up against the break him, but can we can we hold you for another quick segments five or ten minutes and we'll come back. Okay, we'll be right back. This is the Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna be back with Jason Miller in just a moment. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Raheem Kasam guest hosting for Buck Sexton. And usually when I'm in Bucks Studio, I say I'm I'm occupying the Freedom Hut, but I'm not in the

Freedom Hut today. I'm down here in West Palm Beach, Florida, causing all sorts of nightmares. Are brilliant producers and engineers now all across the East Coast, and I thank them for their patients. We are joined back again here by Jason Miller, the former spokesman for the Trump Transition Team and senior communications of Issa for the Trump twenty sixteen campaign. Jason, thanks for holding over before the break. You were talking about the targeting that's going on by the Trump twenty

twenty campaign. You're also talking about why Joe Biden may well be the best candidate for Donald Trump to go up against. If you wouldn't mind just finishing that thought off for me, and then maybe remarking a little bit upon what Brad Pascal said this weekend when he said the campaign hopes to have one point six million volunteers compared to the seven hundred thousand across the country that they had in twenty sixteen. Jason actullent well in, thanks

again for having me. Honraheim Z. The reason why Joe Biden will be the perfect opponent for Donald Trump is because Donald Trump will be able to point at Joe Biden and say, Joe, you have been part of the problem in Washington for fifty years. The exact number is forty seven, but fifty years. And it's because of career

politicians like you. Why we're in this mess. We've gotten to this problem with illegal immigration, why we've gotten this problem on terrible trade deals, while we're at this point with ridiculous taxation and spending. If Trump is the change agent in the twenty sixteen election, even though he's the incumbent, and he's able to make Joe Biden essentially the incumbent or the status quo, the old way of doing things, Donald Trump is going to win the race in twenty twenty.

It gets a bit tougher when you have someone who's a blank slate, someone who doesn't have the big record. But you literally look at the rally that Joe Biden had just this afternoon in Pittsburgh. It's maybe fifty people behind him. Whence the last time that Donald Trump had an event that didn't have ten thousand people with him. There's no energy, known enthusia hasn't for Biden. Many of the same problems that Hillary had in twenty sixteen, Biden

will having twenty twenty. Trump allies who are thinking that Joe Biden's the toughest opponent for Trump in the general election. Are looking at it through the wrong lens. That's the old way of thinking. This is about change versus the status quo. Raheem. The other point that you brought up about parscial meeting on the volunteers, look, Brad's obviously crunched

numbers and looked at a lot of these things. But ultimately this is going to come down to is President Trump and him continuing out there and push his work on the immigration issue. We have to do something about this crisis at the southern border. We've started on the wall construction, but we've got to get a lot more

done between now and next year. And if President Trump is ultimately making good on these campaign promises and continuing to keep his base and also independent voters fired up and all his side, and he's going to be in great shape. But whether it's the one point six million volunteers this go around, also, you know whether it's one point six or one point four or one point two, the most important thing is you have a lot of people who don't necessarily get out there in walk neighborhoods

or who make fant your phone calls. That's great to have, but let's not forget that Donald Trump won much of the twenty sixteen race with his Twitter account and by the fact that he would get up there everyone in the debates. And I think that's this skill comes down to the most important part of a Trump campaign is Donald Trump. We're talking to Jason Miller, the former communications advisor for the Trump twenty sixteen campaign and the spokesman

for the Trump transition team all those years ago. Now, Jason, Jason, tell me when you look at these pictures that are coming out of Pittsburgh today, this Joe Biden rally. I don't know if you have, but I certainly have. I've been looking on Twitter for actual pictures of the room because they're so tight. The cameras are so tight on creepy Joe there that it looks like he could be giving a speech to a major venue. It could be in a stadium. It sort of looks like a Trump

rally because they're so tight. It looks like he might have, you know, three thousand people behind him in fifteen thousand in front of him, and ten thousand to each side. But actually, if you zoom out, ladies and gentlemen, if you go on Twitter and look at these pictures, and indeed, Jason and I will both tweet the pictures out so you can see them. Jason, what's your Twitter account at Jason Miller in DC. There you go, and we'll show you what's going on here, because they've pulled the cameras

so tight. And this is one of the art forms that campaigns use to pretend that they've got bigger support than they have. There's probably about one hundred and fifty people max in that room, and I would say probably about fifty of them in the media and a push and a real push if there's something I can't see off to the sidelines. There's only two hundred people in that room. That room can only fit about two other people in there, but a ton of them. A quarter

of that room is probably media. He's giving a speech like he's giving a massive campaign valley. When you see what happened to Beato this weekend, Jason, and you see what's happening to Biden here not able to draw those crowds. What does it portend for twenty twenty for the Democrats. Well, this just goes to the point about Biden in the lack of enthusiasm and even better, and look, maybe with better people got creeped out by the hands and they just think he's too goofy now that they've seen him

once already. But you look at Biden's kick off, and they just actually did a slight um if you see in there, they did do like one or two pant outshots during the during the Biden rally, and you could see that there's only about maybe thirty or forty people behind him. This just shows that there's no enthusiasm and no intensity for these Democratic candidate. I think that's absolutely right. Jason Miller, just final thoughts for us before we before we let you go, and you're very kind for giving

us your time today. Tell me just to pivot a little bit here. I started the show by talking about the the I think what's devastatingly creepy anti semitism that you're finding in the New York Times and the political left in general right now. Where do you think that's coming from and what do you think it says about the way that the political left in general is going well.

I first would want to commend your efforts Raheem to call out much of this anti Semitic rhetoric that we've seen from the political left and from unfortunately now creeping into the news media. I mean, there was a I want to read a tweet from Andrew gillom who lost the race for governor in Florida, and this was from earlier today. Donald Trump Junior had tweeted something and he

was from a sizing the media on something. And Andrew Gillham replied, Junior, seeking approval from Daddy with hate and lies after a white nationalist shooting is very on brand. Be your own man, Junior. And I was so disgusted and a repulse by that someone on the professional left would do this. I replied back to him and basically said, it was disgusting that he played blame game politics with a horrific tragedy like the shooting that we just saw.

But this is where the political left, as you look at Alan Omar with her consistent anti Semitic rhetoric that I think it just goes is just absolutely disgusting. But the fact that we saw this New York Times cartoon, probably the most blatant anti semitic cartoon that I have seen in a publication in my professional life. I mean, this just goes to show how how out of touch with reality many in the media and the professional Democratic

left is right now. It's just it's completely bonkers. And I hope that Jewish voters in the US are starting to catch on this and a lot more of them come on to President Trump's side going into twenty twenty, especially for all the work he's done for Jewish Americans and for the state of Israel. But I'm just disgusted by what I'm seeing in the media right now. Yeah, me too. Jason Miller, once again, thank you so much for joining us, give it, give yourself a plug once again.

Where can people will find you? Read? You? Follow your social media absolutely so. The Twitter handle is at Jason Miller in DC, and I always have some interesting commentary that is out there, So I love thanks, tune in to pay attention and raheem actual work filling in for

Buck today. Thanks so much once again, Jason Miller. There, ladies and gentlemen, And I think the prevailing consensus really is the Democrat Party is moving in a very very well I often say dangerous, but I think it's dark and dangerous as well, because some of the things that

you hear coming out. I mean, like Andrew gillam Is, as Jason Miller said just a moment ago, Heckeling, the President's son, who has been fantastic in calling out anti semitism, tech censorship, been touring the country, you know, really making people feel like they are once again and should be a governing part of the nation. That's what, in my estimation, the Trump campaign did, and that's how I think the

Trump administration has governed. So you know, when you look at what I now call the corbinization again, remember Jeremy Corbyn being the leader of the Labor Party in the UK, the corbinization of the Democratic Party of America, I just wondered to myself, especially when you look at Jewish groups

in this country. And I speak again from having seen it happen in the UK, where so many people in the British jury took a step back from supporting the Labor Party and actually started to routinely and rightly criticize Jeremy Corbyn and the Labor Party for the things that it was doing and the people that it was placing

in positions of power. I think that's going to happen here in the US, as well, and I just can't see why any practicing Jewish person who has voted Democrat all their lives would want to walk into that polling station next year and put a mark by the box of the party that is promoting people like Eli and Omar. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe maybe you know you're out there and you're a Jewish person and you feel like I'm

saying something incorrect. Why don't you tweet at me? At Raheem Kasam, it's r H E E M K A S s am. I'm always willing to have the political debates and discussions. That's what this country is. That's what one of these things, one of the things this country is so great for, not like back home, let's say in the UK now, where political discourse is significantly throttled, where the hammer of the hate speech, what is it, the hate speech monitors comes crashing down routinely. This is

the Buck Sexton show. I'm Raheem Kassam, don't go anywhere. We're going to be right back. This is an epidemic, and we have a president who will not only will not acknowledge that we have an epidemic of white nationalists terror after New Zealand for just a few people. He's providing the mood music for it. That is the reality we face. Yeah, I think the President needs to at some point look in the mirror and you understand that the rhetoric, the words he uses in all of this inflame.

This about big part of what's going on in America. Give permission to the most craziest people in America. And it happens in part because there is a climate set at the top of unbelievable constant lise and hostility and division in this country. The conspiracy theory is cited by these neo Nazis in Pittsburgh and New Zealand and now outside San Diego. Conspiracy theory Trump never condemned and actually

seemed to support. And we don't know if it has any connection to the politics that's going on, but I mean, it would be a stretch to say that it doesn't.

And remember Donald Trump just over the last two couple of days have been defending what he said in Charlottesville, and it echoed called back into our memory, right, something that just happened not too long ago, what happened in Pittsburgh, Donald Trump and all of this hate right as part of the environment of the day, and he bears some responsibility for the Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheem Kassam broadcasting live out of West Palm Beach today.

No less, you heard that, right, ladies and gentlemen. You heard the media clamoring to blame President Trump for the rise in anti Semitism that you're seeing across the country, for the rise in political extremism that you're seeing across the country. Well, I was raised let me tell you something in a Muslim fam so I have no problem saying this whatsoever when it comes to things like that, when you especially when you look over at Europe, which

is a harbinger. But what is to come in the United States if you are not careful and cautious and you don't turf these bums out who are behind this stuff. Let me tell you something, A lot of the newfound anti Semitism that you're seeing in Europe now is not

coming from neo Nazis and white supremacists. There is that it does exist, but a lot of it is coming from Europe's new Muslim communities who, especially those who have particularly fundamentalist outlooks, especially those who have particularly fundamentalist overviews of the Middle East and the Middle East peace process and the Israeli Palestinian issue a lot of it, and go away and look at it for yourselves. Don't trust me, or trust me, but verify me. Okay, go and look

at it. You're looking at people on mass of Jewish extraction moving out of France, people that I read a story the other day in Germany Jewish community leaders saying there's no future for Judaism in Germany and they're moving out, and they're moving to safer places, safer places like the United States, or safer places like Israel, because they simply don't trust that the migrant explosion that Europe has faced over the last couple of years, especially but over the

last decade, but really since twenty fifteen, when Chancellor Angelo Merkel, remember when the migrant crisis was raging, said come one, come all, we can take everybody. They're now seeing a rise, distinct rise in anti Semitism. They are now seeing more and more synagogues being attacked. We're seeing more and more churches being attacked and burned, attacks on priests, attacks on Christians all across Europe. At the moment, and believe you me,

that is what the Democrat Party is inviting here. So when I hear there's media talking heads waxing lyrical about how President Trump is somehow to blame, you know, this is probably one of the most Jewish friendly presidents this country's ever seen. His family members are Jewish. He recognized the Gallan Heights as Israeli territory, and whatever you think of that from a geopolitical perspective, I happen to believe

it's the right thing to do. But for whatever happens from a geopolitical perspective, in your mind, you have to admit that that the moving of the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and don't forget that wasn't an outrageous thing for him to be offering. That was something that every president over the last couple of decades has offered. The difference being that President Trump actually did it. And the New York Times and the Democrat establishment and their

anti Semitic foot soldiers, they cannot bear it. That's why they attack like this. That's why they hide behind CNN and MSNBC and Media Matters and all those other places. And I'll say this as well, when David Duke endorsed President Trump against President Trump's wishes in twenty sixteen, President Trump distanced himself. They'd never heard of the guy, don't

have anything to do with him. When David Duke comes out and endorses elin Omar so she's the most important member of Congress, nobody in the media wants to talk about it. Nobody in the media wants to discuss why that relationship is going on there. This is The Buck Sexton Show. My name is Rahem Kassam, the global editor in chief of Human Events dot Com. We're going to be right back with more fantastic guests after this break.

Welcome back to The Buck Sexton Show. My name is Raheem Kassam, Broadcasting out of West Palm Beach, guest hosting for Buck Sexton today. Mister Sexton on his travels. We had a great first hour with Jason Miller and going into the twenty twenty campaign and here in the in the United States, I want to take you across to another campaign now, one that's taking place in Europe. We've

got Martin Daubeney on the line. I guess, former journalist for the Moment turned a political party candidate for the Brexit Party. Martin, thank you for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show. Huge fan. Oh well, the same applies Martin. Seriously. I mean, you've spent a long time now in the world of journalism. You've you've you've gone all around that political commentary, all of that stuff. But

something's dragged you in to frontline politics. And I'm curious because I think we're seeing more of this on both sides of the Atlantic at the moment, either ordinary people or people who never had political aspirations who are going into this. And you're part of this new Brexit Party which has been founded by my old buddy in my old boss, Nigel Farage. Tell us a little bit about what dragged you in and about the Brexit Party. Well, I think it's sad to say that I'm absolutely not

your usual political candidate. I'm the men's magazine editor. Magazine called Loaded. We celebrated heads and their ze and men's interests. I'm a journalist of twenty five years. I'm the son of a coal miner and a teacher. I'm the first boy in my family to adver make its university and I've been a political commentator in the UK here in now for about eight years, and over that time I've seen politics literally unraveled before our eyes. Much the same

has happened on your side of the pond. Politics became broken. Donald Trump of course broke politics your side and our side politics was broken by Brexit. We saw seventeen point four million people, many of them people like myself, you know, ordinary hardworking, working class individuals, put their cross in the box, at which point we saw our political class absolutely ignore them and do everything they possibly go to derail this

massive outpouring of democracy. Literally every tool that they've had at their disposal they have laid down to defeat this. They've down, voted, breaks every time, and three years later, we are no nearer to getting break it through. And that is why Niel Farage kind of come back from the wilderness start this new party. Just four weeks ago, this party was started and it's got a huge diverse array of academics, journalists, fingers, business people, non political class people.

Many many people in this party have naturally worked in politics before, and we've all taken the calling and come forward because our politics is broken. Our politicians do not want to enact democracy. They are absolutely treating as their subjects and not acting as our servants, and I really

felt that I just had to step up. Well, So you speak about this sort of nullification process of Brexit, right, You've seen the nullification process of the Donald Trump presidency, the Donald Trump election from twenty sixteen in the form of the Muller Report and all the delegitimization of his presidency that we've seen. We've seen very similar taking place with Brexit in the United Kingdom. We've seen Teresa May going to Brussels and putting together just a totally crap deal.

You've had most of Parliament, the majority of Parliament that has voted this thing down time and time again. The people voted for this, and they didn't just vote for this in a majority. They're voted for it, Martin, as you said, in a majority in an election, in a referendum. There was the largest ever democratic exercise the United Kingdom has ever seen. Three years later, the United Kingdom still hasn't left. So that means that you are now fighting

the European parliamentary elections on May the twenty third. Tell our American audience off you a little bit about what the European parliament is what it does or what it doesn't do, and tell us what it means if if you get elected, what will you be doing in that parliamentary chamber to make sure Brexit happens? Okay, Well, every member state of the EU is signed up to its

same work. It's legislation. The great dividing line of Brexit campaign was that most ordinary bricks were getting pretty set up of having our laws made in Brussels and not out not being self governing, a lack of sovereignty. It means that every nation state signs up to common economic plans. And also the main thing was open borders, so we had an immigration crisis and we didn't have the power to do anything about that. All these questions made us asked, well,

who's really in control? And so the binary choice of in all out the European Union happened and seventeen performally people voted for it, a big majority of fifty two forty eight percent, and ever since then, you know, it's been a case of trying to stop it. And of course the EU was never going to let the UK leave with a decent deal because we all know that other nations across the European block are looking to follow suit. Will it be the Italians next, you know, the quitterly,

will it be Frexit the fringe? And so we were made an example of a line for that. Our own political class voted seventy five to remain. So we can see quite straight away that the politicians themselves are voting out a step with the people and have done everything to stop it. Now, if we get in, is this going to be a protest vote or we're going to go and cause mayhem or we're going to go and

try and get involved. I mean, we are unique in terms of the postical exercise and as far as we will be voting for our own obsolescence, we want to join as m EPs a political institution that we want to destroy. So it's going to be an interesting journey. We are literally Turkey voting for Christmas. But this is about more than Brexit. Now, this is not just about getting out of the European Union. It's about shining alive and a very or found that our political system is broken.

Democracy has been denied. Seventeen point four million people have literally been ignored by our politicians, and I think that sends a huge fault line to the very center of British politics, and we are seeing the traditional parties being decimated at the polls. After just four weeks of US existing, we are currently polling six points ahead of Labor and a full fifteen points ahead of the in power Conservative Party. This is a political revolution, and it's grassroots and it's

individual donors donating twenty five pounds each. It's a new way of sending politics. It's a new way getting involved in politics, and I think people want that chain, they want this seismic revolution because they're just sick of the broken politics that we have. Martin, We've got about two minutes left. I'm gonna ask you this, and you don't have to slag anyone off there. There's no need to.

You know. I know there's a animosity between the UK Independence Party and the Brexit Party right now, but I want people to understand just why Nigel fur I've set up this new part because UK was an established vehicle. It used to be his party, and people will be wondering why is we're heem talking about the Brexit Party. Well, the Brexit parties actually, I mean you launched two weeks ago, you're already polling at the top in most of the

polls for the European parliamentary elections. That shows the appetite out there. To just tell people a little bit about where they can find out more about the Brexit Party, what's the web you are, et cetera, et cetera. And why the Brexit Party rather than UKIP. Well, there's a feeling that UKIT became, shall say, a bit more of an extremist party, so it went further to the right.

It became obsessed with Islam, with with immigration and the things that are traditionally kind of thoughted the far right, and there was a feeling that we had to do something new. Now, this shouldn't be happening, you know, this political party shouldn't really exist because Brexit should have been done. But there's a feeling when you look at the candidates that funding for the Brexit Party. I've been in press

conference as well. They've been introduced and the press of their jaws on the floor because this is a party, this sturist, you've been labeled right wing, that has black women, black men, gay men, muslim man, you name it. It's an incredibly diverse a Marxist they got them a Marxist. Yeah, they're the Marxist and she class box. She got on the platform in London and said, I've got practically nothing in common with Nigel Farage. I myself have never voted

for Nigel Farage. This is not the disciples of Nigelists, an entirely fresh new political movement anywhere it can get involved by going to the Brexit Party dot org you can have a look at what we're doing. And I think this is the beginning of something which will sweep across Europe, the rise of smaller, leaner, meaner, fighting spirit populist parties which aims to take apart the political establishment

which isn't getting the job done. They're not listening to ordinary people and they just ignore everybody, and it feels like the great train needs to stop. Well, ladies and gentlemen out there, if you want to follow Martin and the Brexit Party, make sure you head them over to Twitter. You can follow Martin at Martin at Martin Daubney daub n E. Why Martin, thank you so much for joining

us here on the buck Sexton the show plad. Thanks your time, and I just want to stress again, ladies and gentlemen, that This is about what we've all been saying for the last couple of years. This is not left versus right anymore. In a lot of our politics, this is right versus wrong. And that's why you're seeing so many different people from so many different traditions, from so many different class backgrounds, from so many different parts

of the country, and so many different business backgrounds. And like Martin said, you've got a Marxist in the Brexit Party, you also have business people, you have right wingers, you have moderates, you have people who've never been involved in politics at all before, all coming together and telling the political establishment, enough is enough. We are going to replace you. We are going to upset the apple cart. We are going to do something that's ever been done in history before.

And that's why, as you can probably hear from the sound of my voice, I'm very excited about it. This is the buck Sexton Show. My name is Raheim Gassam. We're going to be right back after this break. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. My name is Rahem Gassalm. I'm the editor in chief Global editor in Chief. I made that my own title, by the way, just to

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human events dot Com. I'm joined now by a competitor or Human Events by the way Daily Caller writer, a friend of mine, Mary Margaret Olahan. Mary Margaret, thanks for joining us on the Buck Sexton Show. Thanks for having me or him. I wanted to discuss with you because actually you're one of my favorite writers in the space of conservative women's issues. I wanted to discuss with you.

This great article in the New York Times this morning called where are the socially conservative women in This Fight? And it starts with a story about the great late Phyllis Schlafley, who actually I think came to Washington, DC in the same year that Human Events was founded nineteen forty four and started fighting for conservative women and conservative women's issues. Mary Margaret tell us a little bit about this article and why you think it's so important. Well,

I found this article really interesting. Become a lot. They dive into how when Phillis Slafly first started immersing herself in the feminist movement, she tried to stay away from this system feminist mentality that so many feminists today have adopted, and she instead went for a more equity feminist approach. Um. And what I found really interesting about this article is they dove into something that Elizabeth Warren actually brought up, which is, um, the two what does she call it?

The two or two inco Yeah? Yeah, And so this isn't an idea where once upon a time a family could be supported by one income, but now we've fallen into this two income trap where two incomes apparently isn't enough for a middle class family. And we still have these people that want to get married and a mother that wants to raise her children, but she can't because when this little class can't be supported on one income.

And Elizabeth Warren actually suggested back in two thousand and three that this is because of all the women entering the workforce, and she probably would never say that now, But um, I think that that idea is actually very true. And some of the ideas posed in this article where why is it what can we do about women in the workforce with out telling them, oh, you shouldn't work and degrading them in that way, but also upholding the dignity of the family. And UM, I thought it was

really interesting. She drove into how Tucker Carlson at one point said that women weren't getting married because men weren't making as much money as they were. Um it was a funny idea. It was very interesting, and I don't totally disagree with him, But at the same time, it seems more to me that there's a cultural phenomenon going on where men and women don't look at families the same way and they don't appreciate marriage in the same way. And you can see this in um, very very strongly

in the way we approach relationships. Um, I mean, if you just look at dating apps in syncratic fingertips exactly, I don't don't, I don't need to, That's what I meant. But then you bring up a really interesting point there, Mary Margaret. I mean the statistics that are borne out here and they are reported in this article today as well. They're not new statistics, the statistics we know, but they're very stark, and I think we should often remind ourselves

of them. In nineteen sixty, eighty two percent of Americans between twenty five and thirty four were married. Even as late as two thousand and fifty five percent were In twenty thirteen, for the first time, a majority of that age block had never married. And the downward trend shows no sign of stopping. That doesn't seem to me like it boats particularly well for local communities or for societies when you consider them written nationally. No, it doesn't at all.

It's actually very terrifying if you think about that downward spiral. Pretty soon we're not going to be seeing much marriage at all. And when I think about that for my generation or my younger siblings generations, well, that's pretty depressing. And I think if you think about how that can be addressed, it's not so much in glowering women's salaries or raising men's salaries are leveling that playing field. It's been recognizing that men and women are not the same,

and we have never been the same. And to approach this situation as if we are the same as to approach it destructively, because we're created to be biologically and like mentally compatible and that's how we work the best. Wow, what a what a bigoted statement you just made their, Mary Margaret how day, how day, you suggest that men and women are compatible? What a what a crazy thing? So look, I mean, all well and good for us to understand where the problems lie. Where does the solutions

come from. I think the solutions come from families themselves. I mean, it's it's a pretty generic thing to say that families need to be teaching their children to approach marriage and family in less, less materialistic ways, and be approaching each other as compatible and complimentary people and not as um, you know, someone to be fought with. And if we're going to be looking from pered, then we should not be fighting and trying to suppress men or

suppressed women. We should be seeking to compliment each other. Mary Margaret Olahan, Um, just tell our audience where they can read more of your work, Read your tweets. I like to read you in that E is Evie magazine as well, Yes, Evie Magazine, Evie Magazine and the Daily Colon News Foundations and it's Mary Mark Olohan l h a N on Twitter. Is that right? Yes, it is there, you go. Well, thank you so much, Mary Margaret for joining us here on the buck Sexton Show. Thanks so

much for having me. And let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen at the end of this article in The New York Times Today suggest an air to finish Schlafley. A socially conservative female voice who can galvanize others could help us. She just has to step up. Well, it's the likes of Mary Margaret Olahan and her compatriots that I've met over the last couple of years in Washington, DC and beyond that are doing that very same thing, and I think it's a very worthwhile thing to be doing.

I also want to stay on this subject and talk about it with our next guest in just a moment, Terry Shilling of the American Principles Project, to get them maybe the male perspective on this, and then, of course, if time allows, we'll have the other seventy genders represented on this show as well. But for now, this is the buck Sexton Show. I am Raheemcasum, the global edator in chief of human Events dot Com. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. My name is Raheim Kassam, the global edator in chief of human Events dot com, which is relaunching in just two days time, and we hope to have some very very good analysis from my next guest, Terry Shilling, is the executive director of the American Principles Project and a good friend of mine in Washington, DC. Terry, thanks so much for joining us on the show here today. Hey, thanks so much for having me, Raheim, glad to be here. Well, you

don't sound that glad. Can you perk up a bit? Please listen. I'm very excited. I don't know what analysis you're talking about, though. I thought we were going to discuss and debate whether or not you're daddy, whether or not I'm daddy. We all know I'm daddy, Terry, Terry for those of you that don't know, and there's no reason you should know. It's making a very esoteric joke about a party that I threw at Sepack earlier this year,

which was really the Human Events. It wasn't the launch party, but it was the announcement that we had purchased Human Events from Sailing Communications and we were racking our heads thinking of what they allowed us, the venue that we had. They allowed us to name a cocktail whatever we wanted to name it. And my friend Hailey said to me, well, why don't we just call it daddy? And I said, well, why are we calling it daddy? Why don't we just

call it Raheem is daddy? That way you'll have all these girls going to the bar and having to say, what was it again, Terry, raheem is daddy for us? By the way, you did? You did? You had a lot of reheems in your mouth that night, I'll tell you that much, Terry. So much for a wholesome show that's got out the window. Um, I trust you to bring the tone down, Terry. We were talking about something relatively wholesome as well. We were talking about this article

in the New York Times. Where are the socially conservative women in this fight? And now I guess I recognize where they are. They don't want to be anywhere near us. I mean, I have a totally great, socially considered woman that I've been married too for almost ten years now, Raam, I mean, speak for yourself. Yeah, what's her name again? Your wife, Katie. Katie. That's right, Terry and I just like to bust each other's you know what's how is Katie? By the way, send send all of our love from

all of the audience to Katie. Terry. I will, definitely I will. But you know what, Katie was actually the one that sent me this artcle So I was going to say that I should have had Katie or not you. She actually is much smarter than I am. You would have been better off. Next time we'll do that. She can't be that smart. She married you. Boom boom. If there was, if there was a way to drop these mics in this studio, I would have dropped it right now.

But unfore the suspended above me. Terry. Let's get to the topic at hand. Okay, this article, your wife sent it to you, You read it, what do you think? Listen? It touches on the main crisis facing the family today. Used to be family breakdown, people getting divorced and then remarried and leaving kids without a father in the home. But now the crisis that America faces is failure of

families to even form. You're seeing kids graduate college with tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt, and then they either go into the workforce that they can find a job where they even if they do find a job, they can't make enough money to even pay their bills. But a lot of them actually take a punt and go to grad school to make even more money. They had find out after that they can't make that much more money, and then they end up having to put

off marriage. And so you know, she points out in there, in nineteen sixty of people between twenty five and thirty four were married. Well, by twenty thirteen that had fallen to less than fifty And so the question is is the family important to a society and to a country in a nation, And if it is, how do we fix this? How do we get more families to form and get back to creating the next generation, erasing the next citizens? And I think that this article is a

great way to jump start that conversation. What are we taking away from this, because as I mentioned in the last segment when we had Mary Margaret on, there's some very stock statistics that even surprised me when they would put this bluntly about the uptake in terms of marriage in the United States. I mean, we can take away depression from this article. We can take away a feeling

of hopelessness. But you and the American Principles Project that you run, and a bunch of other groups out there are actually trying to do some things to change that. I know You've also been looking at what some European countries are doing in this regard, and I've had many conversations with very senior people in the Hungarian government, for instance, about how they are trying not just to encourage people

to get married, but also to have large families. There's also an immigration element to this, is they're not whereby you know, the logic that there is being dictated to us says, well, we must import hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people every year because we're not having enough kids. Well how about we just have enough kids.

No that that's exactly right, raheem. And there are some good proposals out there right now in the United States, but there's even better ones, I think in countries like Poland and also Hungry. As you mentioned one of the proposals that I like here in the United States. Let me just back up real quick. So the big thing that one of the statistics that Helen Andrews dropped is that women are happier at home. In a recent survey, only seventeen son of mothers with children three or younger

said that they prefer to work full time. That means that eighty three percent of women that have children either want to work part time or not work at all. That's a big deal. And so what we need to focus on is is making it less scary to have children, right like, it's a big deal. I mean, look at yourself. I mean you're you're the same age as me, and you're thirty two, and there's no little routees on the way, which I find actually very oppressed. I wish that were

one hundred and more. Held on a second, you don't know that I don't even know that they could be out there. I suppose that's part of the problem. No, No, that's that's a fair enough point. It's well taken. But so we need to do is we need to make it easier for people to get married. We need to make it have make more sense. But right now, women can't find men that make more money to them, let

alone men that you know, can keep a stable jobs. Now, the artist author says that it's because lots of women are going into the work force and taking jobs that men should be getting. But you know, I'm not going to go down that road. But what we need to do is make it easier and make it less scary to have kids. And one of the ways we can

do that is through paid family leave. Now there's a proposal on the table right now from Senator to Lee and Senator Earns that lets parents draw from their social security in order to take time off after they have a baby. Now, you might not seem like that big of a deal, but you know, when you do get married and you're talking things over with your spouse, those

are very tight. You know, it's hard to make ends meets, and so having to take eight to twelve weeks off to spend time with your baby is a big decision, and it takes a lot of people from having kids. So by letting people draw from their soul security and you know, take some time off spend that really important time with their kids, it makes it easier to have kids. And then guess what, they figure out, we don't need

two jobs. Actually, we can just cut a little bit here and not go out to dinner as much and we'll still be just as happy, and we'll have a new little mini raheem around the house. Well, what a what a pleasant thought. I think. I think the existing rehem is a handful enough, don't you. No, we need more of you, especially to shake things up. We need to you know, we need to make sure we get this Brexit deal done, and we need a ten more

of you. Well, I'm trying. I try to do every I can't do everything, you know, I can't relaunch human events and get bregsit done. And you know everybody wants me to do everything. Take some responsibility for yourselves for goodness sake, exactly, Terry, what's your What's what's your? I hope this is going to be your first article for us on human events. Yes, I'm actually very excited about that.

We're we're writing away, um and I think we're gonna have some pretty interesting ideas, you know, hungry and uh and I believe it's also poem. Um. One of the very interesting things that they do is that they venerate moms. They venerate women. You know, in this country, we kind of look down on moms that stay home with their

kids and don't have a job. Which is really terrible, right because if you look at what moms do that stay at home with their kids, they're not serving some corporate master or some you know, billionaire and helping that billionaire make more billions of dollars. At home, they're raising their kids and they're they're making the next generation of Americans. It's the most selfless and most humbling job in the entire world. In this country would be screwed without these

stay at home moms. But um, what hungry in Poland do is they recognize the importance of these moms. And if you have I believe it's if you have four kids or more, you get to draw from Social Security even if you never paid into it, So you basically get a pension at the end of you know your time, you know of working and being in that, but you can draw from Social Security because the logic is simple.

You had, you raised four kids who are all now paying into the Social Security fund and you're more than taking care of here. And it's to incentivize more kids is and to make it easier to stay at home with your kids. I think it's a really great, great idea and I hope to write more about that. Well, I think I need is it a great idea, Terry. But the statistics are showing that the Hungarian governments policies

are really working. I mean they've gone from from one point one I think children per family and they're up to sort of one point six now over the last couple of years. And the trajectory is going up and up. So for the for the people who say no, doesn't work, no point trying it, don't sponsor families with with you know, government inducements or anything like that, you can tell them to bugger off, because it works, right, it absolutely works.

The problem though with when it comes to population growth or population decline is that there's a lot of momentum that goes into those numbers. So you know, after the baby boom ended and birth control was kind of starting to become mainstream in America, it's several decades for the birth rate to fall to normal levels. And and if you think of out, it makes sense, right because you know, when you're raised in a large family, you're probably going

to have a large family yourself. You might not have as many kids, but you're going to have you know, if you come from a family of five, you'll probably have three or four and then that next generation. So it takes actually a few decades of momentum to slow down or speed up. And so the idea that Hungary is seeing these results so quickly is very is a very big sign of hope that these types of programs can help turn things around. Now, Terry, thank you for

your time. And in exchange for your time, I would like to offer you a chance to plug your work and your organizations work. Where can people find out more about you guys? Oh, very easy. It's American Principles Project dot org. And basically what we do is we are a pro family organization that works in politics. So think NRA, but for the family. So we don't focus on guns, We focus on the family. We unelect the bad guys and we elect the guys. It's very cool stuff, and

we helped candidates win. Actually, we found that a pro family agenda across the board is what Americans need and what they like to vote for. And it's actually, I think conservatives the answer to all these big government socialist programs at the leftist promoting. Yeah, if you want to, if you want to, you know, sup board and get involved with a with an organization the AIDS family and family matters in the United States. That's that's APP for

its American Principles project or. Terry Shilling, the executive director, thank you so much for joining us today on the Buck Sexton Show. Hey, thanks so much for having me, Raheim. We'll talk soon. Alrighty. I think phenomenal article, ladies, gentlemen, once again in the New York Times, of all places, but written by Helen Andrews, the managing editor of the Washington Examiner magazine. If you want to check it out, it's called Where of the Social Conservative Women in This Fight?

My name is Raheim Kassam. This is the Buck Sexton Show. We're going to be right back. And there is a specific problem, as you rightly identify, for women of color who are three to four times more likely to die in childbirth. And here's the thing, even after we do the adjustments for income, for education, this is true across the board. This is true for well educated African American women,

for wealthy African American women. And the best studies that I've seen put it down to just one thing, prejudice that doctors and nurses don't hear African American women's medical issues the same way that they hear the same things from white women. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahem Kassam, the editor in chief of human Events dot com. That was Elizabeth Warren, one of the Democrat

Party candidates for president in twenty twenty. You know, we've been talking about the issues regarding women in the United States, families in the United States, and a whole lot more. Over the course of this hour, we had Mary Margaret Olahan from Evy Magazine and the Daily Caller, Terry Shilling from the American Principles Project, and I wanted to play that clip for you there by Elizabeth Warren just sort of highlight how far she's tacking now to the left.

You know, when she wrote The two Income Trap in two thousand and four, it actually dealt with why middle class mothers and fathers in general are going broke, why the family was effectively being economized out of the situation or out of what people thought was the ideal, the return to having at least one parent who could if

they wanted to stay at home. Now, Elizabeth Warren, when she talks about women's issues, as you can her there, it's basically only ever talking about it from the perspective of oppression, only ever talking about it from the perspective of minority and minority status and identity politics. You know, Elizabeth Warren, people sometimes don't know this, at least I didn't know it until relatively recently. It was actually registered as a Republican from nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety six.

She voted Republican for a great many years. And you can see it in the two parent Trap, sorry, the two income Trap, where she talks about that and now not so much. And again it takes me back to what we were talking about at the beginning of the show, the extremism that you now find within the Democrat Party. They're all trying to leap over one another, to leap rogue each other, to run to the left of one another. And you've got Joe Biden on stage in Pittsburgh going

armor Union man. You've got Elizabeth Warren and talking about minorities being oppressed in by doctors and nurses now as well, it seems like an attack on people who save people's lives. And you've got Beto in Pete Botagige. I don't even

know how to pronounce that anymore. I've heard so many different pronunciations of it, and they're all running lefter and lefter and lefter, and I gotta tell you it portends very poorly, not just for the Democrat Party of America, but it pretends very poorly for the American national conversation, if you don't mind me saying so that these are the conversations that we're having to have now instead of the conversations like the ones that I just had with

Terry Shilling and Mary Margaret Olihan. And actually, you know, I started the show by talking about what a disservice the New York Times did with its anti Semitic cartoon.

You've got to give credit where it's due, though, The New York Times did a great service in publishing this article today on socially conservative women and where, where and why and how and when we're going to get a new likes of Philish Schlafley in our midst and so I think it was very important to talk about those things in the next In the next hour, don't go anywhere. It's going to be talking to some very very interesting individuals.

We're gonna talk to Jack Pasbic of one American News, one of my favorite reporters, and World Chamberlain, my business partner at human Events dot Com. We're going to walk you through why we're doing what we're doing with that platform. In the meantime, don't go anywhere. This is the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahem Kassam. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. My name is Raheem Kassam,

guest hosting for Buck Sexton today. I am the newly minted as Buck once called me, editor in chief, Global editor in chief as as my little jab at the globalists of Human Events dot Com. I'm glad to be joined now by one of my favorite reporters in the world. He is a host at One America News, Jack Possobic, thanks for joining us, Jack Raean, thanks for having me on and our also congratulations on the new side of Global editor and congratulations of the launching Human Events. Thank you.

I really appreciate it. We're just like we're two days away now from launching and and and you know, the buttocks are clenching more and more by the minute as I as I fear that what sort of traffic we're going to throw to this site that we've built and if it's going to stand up to it and we'll see, so very excited about that. Thank you for mentioning it now. Jack, you've been here that. Yeah, you have been tweeting furiously, even more furiously than usual. Jack. Jack is probably one

of the highest energy individuals I know. He's the he's the diametric opposite of Jeb Bush. Jack, you've been tweeting a lot, and for a lot of it was quite hard to follow because there's just so much information coming out at the moment, and you've been getting really down into the nitty gritty regarding Bob Muller, the FAISA process,

Rod Rosenstein, Bill bar that whole thing. And you've actually reported some really interesting information that I haven't seen anywhere else yet about the FBI, the White House, and the

Secret Service. I'm actually just going to throw the microphone over to you and let you talk through what you found in recent days, and then if you wouldn't mind just commenting on why we're not seeing this kind of reporting anywhere else, Jack, Yes, of course, Well, what we're first seeing now and this was sort of mentioned in a letter by Senator Grassley and Senator Johnson that was practically over media were new text messages sent by the

intraptive pair of lovers, Peter Struck and Lisa Page, who ran the Trump investigation, the counterintelligence investigation into President Trump, which more e basically into the mulleration. So this is and let me take you back a little bit to

twenty sixteen. So we're looking at November twenty sixteen, the week immediately following the surprise upset of Donald Trump deceeeding that Worklins, and that's November eighth, that takes place, then November seventeenth, and we've just seen now new text messages that have been released between these two FBI agents and

what they say in these specific messages. And we've seen instances where their exchanges have been released in drips and drabs over the past couple of years, in the past few months specifically, but these are possibly some of the most shocking ones that we've seen thus far, and the mainstream media, as usual, is not giving it the coverage that it really deserves. I guess they're two interested in watching the game of their own season ending right right.

What it says here at one point is if Katie's husband is there see if he can see if there are people we can develop for potential relationships. And then they go on to talk about a briefing security briefing that they planned to make with the incoming Vice president, Mike Pence. Well, the information that's come out on this is, so, who is Katie's husband? What does this have to do with Mike Pence? What does this have to do with

the FBI? Well, the way it shakes out is this Katie refers to an FBI analyst working for Peter Struck named Katie Semen, Katie Seemen's husband. Right, So Katie's husband is actually a reference to the man who would become Mike Pence's Josh Pitcock. And so here we have an instance now were the two agents that we're investigating Trump are discussing working with Mike Pence's incoming chief of staff

about potentially developing sources for their investigation. What they're talking about is using this familial connection through the analysts being married to Pennz's chief of staff, to develop sources at this point within the Trump transition team and then possibly moving forward even within the White House itself. They're spying on the White House essentially spying on the White House. Now, that seems like the type of story that should be

leading the news channels. Any ideas why it isn't, well, I think because the news channels have come down so hard on this story. A. G. Barr said in a conference not too long ago at US Congress that he, in his opinion, that the presidential campaign with Donald Trump was spied on. However, they really pushed back on that labeling of the event, saying, oh, it was merely court

ordered surveillance. You can't use the word spying, to which bar sysiment, why are you equivocating this point spying surveillance? It's you know, you know, six one way, half a dozen the other. It's the same thing. And it's become so politically charged now that they don't want to make it look as though Trump may have been right all along. When we found out that he was right about the wire taps. We now note there was a FIZ investigation

into Donald Trump's campaign. Now we're hearing that the FBI may have even been recruiting sources or had essentially a back channel into Mike Pennz's office within the White House itself, which would make sense because these are the same FBI agents who would later go to Mike Penns when they

were targeting General Flynn. So it really does seem to make sense that there was some kind of relationship that the FBI was able to exploit in order to get into the White House, especially in those early days of the administration. There's a couple of other avenues to explore here. None of the questions that are raised on the back of this. I mean, obviously we know that WT Attorney General Rod Rosenstein handed his resignation in to be effective

on the eleventh of May. I think that went in earlier today, Jack, which seems to be tied to a lot of this. But there's also questions to be asked as to whether or not the Let's talk Ben Rhodes for a second, right, Ben Rose. For people that don't know Ben Roads are very very lucky people. Ben Rodes is one of the most religious characters in Washington politics. The I think he's on some podcast now, but he was. He was one of the leading figures in the Obama administration.

He was the Deputy National Security Adviser. He has been very very close to Susan Rice and the President himself. Really one of those people, Jack that you might say was was behind a lot of their a lot of their foreign policy. Ben Rhodes, you were dissecting an interview conversation that was had with him about whether or not the Obama administration knew and whether Obama himself knew about

the the what what what? President Trump called the tapping of Trump Tower all those years back when and the whole media laughed him, and he said, what are you talking about? Tapping? Tapping at Trump Tower? And now it transpas of course that they were spying on him. What do you think Ben's of Ben rhodes testimony in this regard? Did he give a particularly compelling case for Obama not knowing about this? You know, Ben Rhodes, in that interview he just gave. I can't believe he actually sat down

for that thing. I mean, it looked like he may have been drinking. There was a half half an empty wine glass on the table next to him, or half full, if that's your your shake on it. But he's flurring his speech, he can't keep his story straight, and he immediately jumps to that Christen's classic Obama administration line of well, I'm only just finding this out at the same time you are as a private citizen from the US news media. It's even so long since I've heard that line be used.

I almost forgot that. Every single time that was scandal erupted within the Obama administration, that was their go to, right, So he's just he kind of jumps back to the script, his prerecorded statements. But I had a lawyer reach out to you at one point and said, boy, I would love to be up against this guy in a deposition because you can destroy him. First of all, he's he's nervous as heck. Then number two is he says they had no idea about it. There's just one problem. Ben

Rhodes was the deputy to who Susan Rice. We already know that Susan Rice wrote an email to herself on the last day of the Obama administration expressly stating that she and Joe Biden and Barack Obama received a briefing on the Trump investigation and very specifically about the Steele dossier itself and its allegations from James Comey and Saliates, who at the time were leading to doj and the FBI.

So we already have the information that the person that you're the deputy too, knew all about this, so you probably knew all about it too, Ben Rhodes, And it's fantastic to see that now. And just stepping back for a second, there is so much fact checking that's going on by conservative media. Conservative media is breaking news, human events is going to be breaking news and doing so

much amazing things. Don't don't put the pressure on me. Well, I mean to say is that they were in office for eight years and never had to deal with any type of pushback or any type of adversarial or combat or adversarial behavior from the media. Whatever they would say the media, and Ben Rhodes has been public about the fact that he would outwardly lie to the media, specifically about the Iran deal, and they would repeat whatever he said. Was it, Ben Rhodes? Did you just say this? Was it?

Ben Rhodes, who once talked about how stupid journalists were, That's exactly what I'm referring to. He would say, we would come up with things in national security break yeah, and then I would go and tell them to uh, you know, I would go because most reporters are typical quoting him. At this point, the pirephrasing at least that mid twenties. They only have a little bit of campaign. Don't really understand how Washington works. He can tell them

whatever they want, no repeat it, extraordinary stuff. Jack. Just in the last sort of thirty to forty five seconds that we've got here, where do you see this going? How do you see this transpiring? Are you about to see major declassifications? And is the Trump administration going to start moving on all of these deep states in your face states whatever you want to call them, figures who appear to have been and I'll say it, behind what

looks like an unabashed coup attempt. Everything that we've heard from the White House in the Oval Office specifically in recent days is that the president knows full well the amount of political capital that he has right now being completely exonerated on the question of collusion and also on the secondary question of obstruction, and so he is lying in wait and planning on how to really take a two pronged effect to number one, go after the people

who planned this coup, and that's his own words, and then number two also use this as a springboard to relaunch his campaign essentially for twenty twenty. His reelection campaign. So he's trying to find a way to thread the needle to do both of those at the same time, given the time frames that we're in. And I think that, honestly, being on the offense is where Trump is always at

his best. I also think it's his natural comfort zone, and so being on offense in the face of all this, guys, you have to realize the more you go against him, the stronger you make him. I think that's absolutely right. Jack. Just give a plug for yourself. Where can people read you, find you watch you? Yeah, the best place is oann dot com and we're also available on cloud TV. Please catch one American News is If you don't have it, contact a cable provider. You can get us. We're on

with FiOS, were on directdd Ron Rocco as well. And Jack at Jack posobic that's p O S O B I E C on Twitter? Is that correct? Yes, make sure you're following Jack. He's he's in a he's in a fight to the death now, in a race to the death rather against his good pal Mike Sanovitch to see who can get more followers on Twitter. So let's let's see Jack over the line we're hashtag team Jack over here. Thanks once again to Jack Posobic. This is

on the Back Show from Beach Today. I'm joined now by the president of the Claremont Institute, a fine conservative think tank. Ryan Williams, joins us on the line. Ryan, thanks so much for being here today. Always my pleasure him. Thanks for having me. Ryan, You and the Claremont Institute and the American Mind are undertaking a new series, and I understand that there's going to be a presentation about

this in Washington, d C. This week as well. Defend America Defeat Multiculturalism is the name of this fantastic article on the American Mind dot org. Would you tell us a little bit about it, Ryan, Sure, yeah. We you know, we've always been in the education business, the first Principle's education business, but we thought the tenor of the times, and especially the tenor of the modern left, merited a

little more of a proactive and political approach. So we're we're launching a campaign of sorts between now and the twenty twenty presidential election. And the theme really is captured in my essay Defend America, Defeat Multiculturalism. And by multiculturalism, you know this term was in vogue in the nineties, and all the complaints about the ridiculousness of the various studies department on campuses. But our argument really is that

it's it's now spread to the rest of America. It's really the animating energy or the animating purpose of the modern left, especially at the leading edge of the modern Democratic Party, and if they're allowed to to instantiate it across the land, it's going to be bad for Americans. It's you know, it's the politics of multiculturalism or identity politics.

In their enforcement arm is political correctness. So what does that mean really, Well, the old tradition of the founding the founders of America is the belief and individual rights.

That the new notion and the new multiculturalist notion is that there are only group rights and that really democracy or republicanism is all about figuring out amongst these groups who's been the most oppressed given the history of the West, and then allocating resources, prestige, honor, political position according to that rubric of oppression that we think this is no way, no real way to run a country, rather than leading to um, you know, the the uplift of those oppressed

groups and genuine diversity. It will just lead to the division of Americans into Balkanized groups and God for and continuing descent into cold and eventually even heart civil war. So we thought we really need to argue against this, engage the right in this argument, and try to build a coalition around the defeat of this pernicious influence in the body politics. So that's that's what we're up to with the project. And it really is a fantastic essay.

I've shared it with my Facebook page, with the human Events facebook page, on my Twitter feed, everywhere I could possibly share it. I love how you summarize things. I'm going to read a little passenger and just just ask you to elaborate a little bit and maybe how we can defeat it as well, rather than just identifying the problem. You say. In short, multiculturalism as a worldview, a regime in the classical sense, a political and cultural way of life wrapped up in one. As an ideology, it stands

for nearly the opposite of America's national motto. It seeks to divide and conquer Americans, making many groups out of one citizenry. The modern left accustomed to running the campuses. According to the new social dictates of multiculturalism now wants to run the world that way. Okay, so we know this. I think a lot of the audience will be very familiar with this, and I think a lot of Americans are necessarily against the idea of multiculturalism. But how do

you actually rest control back from the left in this regard. Well, it's no small task. I mean, you've been toiling in these vineyards for years. Well, I mean one place to start is to start at the source. This won't happen overnight, but we have to go after higher education. Libertarians and even a certain species of conservatives have been a little queasy about wielding the power of the federal government to

help bring the colleges into line. But look, we give away lots and lots of money to almost every college in the country, and especially the elite ones. I don't see why we shouldn't start insisting that they stop basically engaging in what amounts to seminary work of anti americanism on campus, and we can start to change the nature of the debate and free some thought up on the campuses.

That would be a place to start doing it. Of course, in line with constitutional dictates, of course, but but you know, we give away one hundred billion dollars and change a year in substance, to say nothing of the subsidiation of loans. So I would start with the campuses and then I would, you know, make the argument publicly and build a political

coalition around it and really start running on it. Ran. Yeah, we're very pushed for time, but we're gonna yeah, sorry about that, but we're gonna feature it on human events dot Com later on in the week as well. Ryan Williams at the Clamant Institute, thank you so much for joining us here on the buck Sextons Show. That's great. Thanks, cheers, Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahemcasam, the

global editor in chief of human events dot Com. I'm joined for the next two segments by the publisher of human events dot com, my business partner Will and and friend Will Chamberlain joins us on the line now. Will, thank you so much for taking the time out of your fantastic sick live periscopes to join us on the show. I appreciate that, Raheem, and I do I do appreciate a friend qualifier. I think that's particularly important. I see I didn't say in which order it was either in

no particular order. Ull Will Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein resigned earlier today. You have been across this issue in quite an impressive way in in recent months. You were on the One American News Network o a N just last week, I think, talking about the curious way in which Attorney General Will Bill bathwarted the advances of Bob Muller and Andrew Weissman in the in the in the Muller Probe. And there's a fantastic piece of analysis that will be going on human events dot com when we

launch on Wednesday. If people want to read that Will, we'll pick it apart and explain it all to you guys, because there are really a lot of intricate moving part that can quite easily be missed unless you've read the entirety of the Miller report, or unless you know you are studying this thing day in and day out, and that's what Will has been doing. So well, talk to us a little bit about the resignation of Rosenstein, what

you think it means, and where this goes next. Because because we had Jack Posobic earlier on in the show, and he was talking about spying in the White House and the FBI and Lisa Struck and what's Lisa Page and Struck and all of that kind of stuff. It's so detailed, and there's so much going on behind the scenes that people don't see, and that the news networks, even the right wing news networks, and not really covering

or getting to grips with. So why don't you give us a little bit of information on what you're seeing behind the scenes there. So I think Rob Rosenstein made made it clear he wanted to resign a few months ago, but when Bill Mark came on that this story has been in the news a lot that Bill Barr asked Rose and seemed to stay on to help him with the fives investigation, how the fives warrant was issued against

Carter Page. So I think the fact that Rosenstein is now resigning demonstrates that Barr has what he needs from Rosenstein, because when Rosenstein's back out in the world as a private citizen, it's not as simple a process to interview him. You know, people have talked about how there's an Inspector General investigation going on into the five A case and other things. The investor Inspector General rather cannot subpoena individuals who are not in the department. They can only ask

for interviews of people who are still employed. So my basic thesis is the real significance of why the Rosenstein resignation today is that Barr has no more need for him to be there to help him understand what happened over the past couple of years. And what does this mean for Bar then? I mean, is he really isolated now in that position or does this given an opportunity to consolidate the AG's office around where he now wants

to go, right? I mean, I think Bar has been in firm control of the AG's office almost from the moment he stepped into shoot, stepped into the position. I mean, just think about it. Six weeks after he was confirmed, the Moller investigation was over, and it was pretty clear that the Department of Justice was suddenly under his firm control as opposed to underseptions when it seemed like it was almost an autonomous agency, completely independent from the Trump

administration and sometimes hostile to it. So I think I think Bar has been in control. But what Rosenstein's resignation means is that Bar will now get to appoint his deputy, So that will help him further consolidate control over the pardon because he'll be able to considently delegate certain functions to a handpicked deputy, knowing that that deputy will not

for his intentions. Well, and what do you make of the of the sort of situation as Jack Pisobic explains it, in that there appears to have been moved by the FBI to even recruit some people from within the White House of the Vice President's team to help to help spy effectively. Right, I mean that that news itself is shocking. I don't think I mean the Rosenstein personally had involvement

with that. It seems like, I mean, he was made deputyag early on and the Trump administration, but doesn't strike me as like that person responsible for the spying itself. That seems like it was Peter Struck and leads a page and you know, slight and maybe Andrew McCabe too, but not all the way up to Rosenstein. That why do you think it is se go ahead, go ahead? Okay? Well, I was that said Rosenstein wasn't really that inclined to

investigate that stuff. It seemed as though Rosenstein was perfectly happy to let the Mueller investigation continue without any sort of supervision, but very reluctant to do anything to deal with the various scandals that arose out of this pretty clear FBI spying. So what do you think the Trump administration goes from here? Where does the White House go from here? Because quite clearly, whether it's been hyper intentional or semi intentional, I think you can't say. You can't

say it was unintentional. You had to get the warrants, you had to do the spy, and you had to reach out to those people that Jack was talking us through earlier. Where do you think they go knowing that really they haven't been able to fully trust a lot of the administrative state that they have inherited and that have been around them. They now have the ability that you have a g barr in there, that you have a little bit more semblance of control over that whole process,

over the departments. But can they trust the people around them now? And what will they be doing from a political perspective? Do you think over the next couple of months declassification of the warrants and all the documentation surrounding them, or is this the time to draw the line under it, because we're heading into an addiction cycle. I mean, I don't think I don't think they're going to have like discussions about what is the best political move for the

Trump for Trump's campaign. I don't think that's the kind of conversation Bill Barr would be amenable too. Well. I think Bill Barr is in Trump's corner. I think he's still enough of a lawyer and in an institutionalist about DJ that he would, you know, kind of recoil at any you know, insinuation that he was going to bring a prosecution for political reasons or start the classifying things for political reasons. But isn't isn't that exactly what Eric

Holder used to do. Didn't Eric Holder describe himself as Obama's wingman, right? I Mean that's certainly true. And it's I mean, when people say and criticize bar for being a Trump lackey, it's it's really obvious that these same people had nothing to say when Eric Holder was, you know, Obama's wing man. They had nothing to say when Lauretta Lynch was on the tarmac with Bill Clinton while she

was nominally investigating his wife. Like all there's you know, there's all sorts of shenanigans that have already gone on at DJ and you know, I mean at the same time, so I mean, and now the Democrats to shoes. On the other foot, the Democrats control the House and they want to exercise you know, supervision over Bar, but they set a lot of precedents that will be easy for Bar to exploit. Well. I think as the time goes on, and especially over night, people are going to get to

be getting to grips with this Rosenstein issue. So you know, we'll we'll we'll hear more about it, much more about it tomorrow and no doubt in the in the weeks and months to come as well. When these people have left their positions in the Trump administration, for some reason, they don't go quietly into the night. I'm sure there's a book deal in there somewhere for Rod Rosenstein as well.

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And you and I identified that it was both a great shame that that was happening to that brand and be a great opportunity for something very beautiful to come to the conservative media sphere in the form of an online magazine and hopefully, you know, one day print where we can actually showcase the best of the right. But hold hold over the break, Will, and we'll get to talking about that in just a moment. This is the buck Sexton Show. I'm Raheem Kassam. We're going to be

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we've purchased Human Events. We locked that down in late February, right before Seepack, and we're going to launch on Wednesday. I'm extremely excited. I mean, the amount of content that you've managed to get together and the quality of the contributors that are contributing to the launch day is really pretty awesome. So I'm really excited about the content. In

terms of the vision for what we're doing. There is missing on our side, a prestige magazine that a prestide digital magazine that can really elevate the discussion for the sort of nationalist conservative movement, and I think that Human Events is an opportunity to really create that out of

whole cloth, right. I mean, we have some media outlets that are generally inclined towards our side, but many of the traditional conservative media outlets are more inclined towards establishment, you know, nineteen nineties conservatism than they are to Trump

in the movement he created. You're talking about what is derogatively described as a boomer conservative is nowadays, I think, rather than the sort of the muscular nationalistic conservatism, that the President Trump stands for, and that we had Ryan Williams from the Claremont Institute talking about earlier on in

the show. You know, when I when I talk about it with people, will I always say, look, the left has Rolling Stone, it has Vanity Fair, it has The Atlantic, all these big, beautiful prestige brands that give a lot of legitimacy to the left's arguments. They they lose nice, big, pretty pictures. The fonts are all very nice, the arguments

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these guys. But actually, and and this isn't I'm not being derogatory about them at all, but they don't provide something that I think the new audience in this area is looking for. So I always say, the reason we're doing this is because we've left a massive, massive chink in our armor here in not providing a very high quality,

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