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to five the future of talk radio. Buck Sexton, the Makers, you said that you would be open to signing just about any immigration deal that that vicar partisan group of blockmakers said to you. Would you be willing to sign an immigration deal that ultimately does not include funding for the border wall or would that be for you? No, it's got to include the wall. We need the wall for security, we need the wall for safety, we need

the wall for stopping the drugs from pouring in. I would imagine that the people in the room, both Democrat and Republican, I really believe they're gonna come up with a solution to the DUCA problem, which has been going on for a long time, and maybe beyond that immigration as a whole. But any solution has to include the wall, because without the wall, it all doesn't work. Without the wall,

it all doesn't work. Buck Sexton here, thank you so much for joining me in the Freedom Hut, My friends, colleagues, fellow patriots. Good to have you with me. As always, that was President Trump earlier today. You will note I I hope that yesterday we're throwing up the panic flag a little bit because the presidents had a very interesting immigration meeting with members of Congress that was televised. We could see the give and take of the legislative debate

process in action. People are worried because the President said it needs to be a bill of love, and he would be willing to take the heat. But today he's saying there has to be a wall. And you know what, if the president gets that wall, think think about the message that that's gonna send to the base, to the Democrats, to the left, everybody. It's gonna show a president who follows through on not just some promises, but core promises, central,

central to his platform, to his agenda. And wow, that would be rocket fuel for the rest of the Trump term. Or terms. As I see it, it would be a phenomenal if he manages to get that. So I think we should take some degree of reassurance from the president's statements today very clear. I don't know how he could

be more clear about how we're gonna have a wall. Well, one thing else that was interesting about yesterday didn't really get enough attention, in my opinion, and that is not only did the President show and I said this on the show yesterday, but show us that it's on Congress right, they have to put something in front of him to sign, and if they come up with nothing, it can't be all the President didn't lead or whatever. He has said

what the key points are of an immigration deal. He has made it very straightforward in terms of what he wants, and now Congress has to get it done and he says he will sign it. But there was a secondary purpose that did not get nearly enough. I think play some perhaps caught on a bit later in the game, and I just wanted to take a take a ulligan,

take another another shot at this one. Jake Tapper even over at CNN, if you're wondering if pushing aside those concerns was at least partly the point of these on camera negotiations for the Bill of Love. You're not being cynical, You're being correct. And in fact, the Republican National Committee Rapid Response director sent out this take on the meeting quote.

Many in the media has spent the last week hyper ventilating over a phony writer's opinions, But the American people just witnessed President trumpily arguably the most transparent substantive policy discussion with Congress maybe ever. So this is a very important that was tappered CNN. And just because Tapper says it doesn't mean it's wrong. He actually was. He made his name, I will remind you. I mean now he does a lot of a lot of CNN's bidding and

a lot of anti Trump stuff. I'm very clear on that. But he made his name back I think when he was an ABC reporter by just occasionally asking President Obama's White House Press secretary or a bound himself a real question, not how does it feel to be this artist person in the history of the world, the most amazing, the most moral, the most handsome, the most perfect. He would actually ask occasionally, I'm not saying a lot, you know, it was once in a while, but he would ask

a real question, Oh Jack Tapper, how could you? But his point there is worth noting. Or he's really actually illustrating or highlighting a point that somebody else made. And

that is one of the effects of yesterday. And look this That was a Trump administration decision right to to televise it in that way, to show it, to bring us into the discussion, to bring the American people into the thick of the immigration debate, with the members of Congress there and we're seeing what they're saying, we're seeing

the questions, we're seeing it in real time. Not only did it give us a particular window into what is among the most important policy issues facing this country, it is really an existential issue for the United States of America in the long term. Forget climate change, this other stuff, huge threat immigration. If we don't get this right, the country changes and not for the better forever. Those are the stakes right now of the immigration discussion and debate.

But the secondary component of it was that Trump Trump was able to smack down this Michael Wolf Fire and Fury book. As an aside, there's a book from the Second World War, I believe called Fire and Fury that has shot up to the top of the best seller list because people are buying that book. It just happens to be called Fire and Fury. That guy has got to be psyched, right, That's that's great. You know, all of a sudden, the book was published like a decade ago,

people like I need Fire and Furious. You know, something about some might even be a great book. I have no idea, but I think it's battles from the Second World War. Uh. But by having the press conference, letting the American people see how does Trump interact with members of Congress, How does he run that kind of a meeting? How does he handle that give and take of debate and discussion. Any honest person would see that and say to themselves, hold on a second. This is the president

who's crazy. This is the president who can't string a string together a sentence. This is the president who has no ideas and has no leadership. And all the stuff that's in there right is sloppy, insane. Seen all these things, I mean, all this just junk. They're trying to pile in Trump. You watch that meeting yesterday, and not only did you see what's going on with the immigration policy debate.

But you saw the President United States in action in a way that just blows to smithereens this whole narrative of the book fire and fury. So it was a two for It was a double whammy. This is what Trump has to do. This is what this admitted station must continue to do, and that is to get around or defeat the naysayers. Yes, as Trump puts it, the haters, the liars, the fake news, all of that with success,

with results. The economy already is and you see it with all these different metrics, and you've got titans of industry and many of the smartest people on Wall Street, in manufacturing sector, in the entrepreneurial world. They're all saying, look, I don't even like Trump. I don't even like Trump's

policies on X, Y or z outside of the economy. Right, maybe they disagree with them on this or that, but on but when it comes to economic optimism and the markets and hiring and wages, and which was also central, all of that was central to the Trump message, which is that the you know, the forgotten men and women of this country in these differ sectors, competing with offshoring of jobs, competing with the importation of cheap illegal foreign labor.

All of that, stagnant wages and a sense that you can't get ahead. Trump is so far following through on those promises and doing it with results, not just words, not just a lot of you know, a lot of jaw jaw, a lot of you know yadida talking about stuff. No, Trump is making it happen. This is why I don't get to spun up. I don't get we used to say people would say the bureaucracy, you know, it gives me heartburn, um, but I don't get over uh over anxious.

I don't get upset. I don't get wrapped around the axle when Trump tweets something that I'm like, well, I don't really know what he's I wouldn't have done that. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And also, all these people who have been so desperate to make you think that it matters in the media and elsewhere. Maybe they're your neighbors, maybe they're people see at work or

the people you see on TV. They're wrong. They've been wrong so far, and it's one of the reasons that I think we've we've begun to see a phenomenon that will continue to play out, which is that the more this is crazy, I know, but just stay with me on it, the more successful this presidency is. And I don't mean in rhetorical terms. I don't mean in slapping down the fake news, as much as I love that, and it is a fantastic spectator sport, and I try to do my fair share of bucks slaps here as well.

I try to, you know, make sure that we hold these different media entities to account and give them a free ride on the school bus once in a while. But the more successful Trump is, the more they will hate him. Because the more successful he is, the more obvious it becomes to anybody who has had any doubts that they've been lying about this administration. They've been stacking

the deck against him. They've been doing everything in their power to prevent the very successes that are just beginning, just beginning to become irrefutable, strong market, strong economy regular I'm gonna talk to you about regulations later in the show. People are becoming believers, you know, And it's kind of amazing that it's taken this long in a sense, because the regulatory environment of the obamaministration was in. You're gonna

talk about insanity. It was insane. And you know, whether you agree with Trump or not, whether you know, whether you're somebody that likes the tweeting hates the tweeting. If you're trying to run a small business and all of a sudden you don't have to spend dozens of hours and thousands or tens of thousands of dollars complying with with completely bizarre, useless owners federal regulations, you start to think, maybe this Trump guys onto something, Maybe he's got something

going here. It is all about results, it's all about doing things that benefit the American people. And what as I said, it will be amazing to watch it play out because the bed the more successful Trump is, the louder they'll squream about Russia, the louder they will yell about how he's needs to be taken out of office by the twenty five amendment. I mean, they won't quit,

they will not stop. And that's why the only response that Trump can and will have is the courage of his convictions and the implementation of an agenda that we're already saying it is already working. But immigration, immigration, is key, and we can't take the pressure off, can't take the heat off here, presidents at a wall today, I'm hearing things about a wall in you know, within ten years we'll have a seven miles Okay, I mean, let's let's

get the first hundred on the books. A S A P. You know, I don't want this to be Yeah, we're gonna have a wall, but by the time we have a wall, everybody's gonna have a jet pack, because then a wall won't won't really be that useful. You know. If it's like the future of the jetsins where people can fly around and little flying cars or jet packs or whatever they've got everywhere, a wall is not gonna be as good. Okay, we can't wait fifty years for a wall. Need a wall to start now, so we'll

talk more about that. And also the most I can't even say it. It's tough with superlatives because the left is so dishonest, unfair and crazy, particularly when it comes to dealing with this White House and dealing with the Republican Party right now, that to say it's the craziest judicial decision ever or the craziest judicial decision ever under Trump, I mean, I'm not sure, but it's close. It's close to the worst court decisions mandating a federal judge in

California has been. This just came out today I read. The first thing I did this morning is probably why I threw my neck out. I was so annoyed I

did of my neck is killing me right now. But first thing I did today, and I like a lie, I did it in better read through on my phone forty nine pages of a decision from a circuit court judge in California, where the short version I'll get into a longer version with you in a few minutes because it's worth exploring at But the short word version is one judge thinks that he can usurp the executive branch chiefs prerogative can essentially tell him how to use his discretion.

Some judge in California is telling Trump this is your call, and this is how you're gonna make the call when it comes to immigration, specifically to DACA. I'll work, I'll talk you through, we'll go through the details. It's important at all. But it's just hashtag resistance, resistance. Pardon me, hashtag resistance, never Trump nonsense from yet another judge out on the left coast. We'll get into that packed show today.

My friends a lot I want to talk to you about, but also want to hear from you two of course eight four or four to eight to five, eight four four nine, Buck, I'll be right back their instances. Look at what happened in Israel. They put up the wall. They sailed solved the very major problem. We need the wall. We have to have the wall for security purposes, securities number one, and so the answers have to have the wall.

Thank you. I have to have the wall, Presidents, making it very clear, Bucks accent back with you here on the Buck Sexton Show. We wanted to take some of your calls before we get our next guest coming up. Who's going to be the acting Director of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. We got him joining us on the show.

Director Homan will be with us, Thomas Homan, and can tell us about what's the reality right now of illegal immigrants crossing into the country, crossings in the country, also workplace enforcement, a bunch of raids at seven elevens across the country. We got the guy at the top of the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agency of the United States to join us here in just a few minutes to

address that. So he'll give us a real view of what's what's the ground truth of all this, right, what's really happening out there, so we can factor that in when we're talking about Trump and immigration everything's doing. But he noted there with Israel that that also came from a press con or some questions with the press were

able to pose earlier today. And yeah, Israel, I mean I remembered I was actually spending a lot of time studying Israel and Israeli Palestinian issues at the time I was in school, but I had I've been working at a Midi stink tank and working on that issue specifically was very much front of mind. And Israel had a terrible time with suicide bombers and other Palestinian terrorists who were coming in the country and just wreaking havoc and carnage,

and it was terrible. They built a wall and it stopped it just And I'm not saying that was the only thing. Israel has a tremendous security service beyond just the wall, right, But no one saying the wall would be the only thing either, But it helped whole hell of a lot. We'll talk to our acting Immigrations and Customs Enforcement head in just a few moments here, so stay with me for that. Tim in Ohio, Welcome to

the Buck Sexton Show. Listen. First, before we get the immigration, I want to tell you a few comments about your Shields High episode. Oh sure. I played the Charles Mantel and the Day of podcast for the guys in the show on the other day and everybody loved it. We had a we Gotta we gone after and everybody loved it there. So my question is, well, thank you. I'm coming out the next was coming out on Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday, my friend this Monday, next Monday. Get into it. You

gotta subscribe iTunes. Oh well, yeah, I'm we're listening. I appreciate it. But I had to throw a plug in there. Tim. You know it goes. Oh we lost him on Habben. We're having so much fun with Tim and he We didn't drop him, did we. You guys just felt like he was saying too many nice things. You just didn't want me to get a swelled head. I know how it is, you know, I do my little history podcast. It starts blowing up all of a sudden, Everyone's like, hey,

keep your feet on the ground. Sexton. No, sorry, I don't know what happened there. Apologies Tim from Ohio. We just lost you there for a second. And in Virginia we got about a minute. But we want to get you in. What's up man, Good evening, Mr Sexton. As I wait with helplicating hurt and guesting breath for your show every night, I just have to tell you that you're intro is fabulous. You know, it's timeless. It works all the time. The show intro for this show, okay, cool?

You know you know I can tell you this. I actually I actually built that show intro myself. I'm serious. Yeah, I'm a man of many talents. And but thank you for all your support of the show and Shields High. Thank you so much. Thank you and appreciate it. Bye bye. Um. So there we have it. Uh, we've got like I said, we're gonna talk more about immigration. What is the state of legal immigration into the country right now? Can we enforce certain aspects of the law. Well, the answers yes, obviously,

much better than we do. I've also got this decision from a court out in California. I read through. I don't know how many other hosts on TV or radio could say this, but I read through the entire thing because I do my own stuff. I read it all. I'll tell you about it. It is. It is a giant, steaming, tri Sarah Tops sized pile of poop. It is terrible. It is the worst legal analysis you will see out

of California in a long time. We'll get into that, so stay with Themigoration top of the news cycle today, and we're very fortunate to be joined by Acting ICE Director Thomas Holman, who is with us now on the line. Thomas, thank you so much for calling in. Thank you for having me, sir. Uh First, all right, talk to me a bit about your your reaction to this court ruling that's just effectively telling the Trump administration that they have

to act a certain way when it comes to presidential discretion. Look, there's there's so many liberal court rulings out there right now that hamper what we're trying to do. I mean, I got court ruins out there that don't let me remove people that committed serious crimes to this country. I got court rulings that tell me how long I can detain somebody. I mean, this is when when this whole docutor session discussion started, we sent a list of policy

and legislative changes up on the hill. There can't be a clean doctor, but we need fixed. We need to fix this system or we're gonna have a doctor discussion ten years from now. Let's finally fix this system, overturn some of these judicial decisions, and and make sense of what we're doing. Use the analogy at a few minutes going on another interview. You know, if you got a leaky tire, you can put air in that tire every day. You can fix the tire. Let's fix this tire. Let's

finally fix immigration. This president, under his leadership, we got we had a forty five year LOLd and the illegal immigration crossings. We're on the right trail. Let us, let us fix us. Let us make these changes to fix the problem once for for all. So you know, if you want to have a doctor deal, then you've got to fix underlying problems with We can't do a clean doctor deal that. We we need a wall, we need inter your enforcement. We need to be able to remove

people that violate the loss this country. We need some of these court decisions overturned. We need to be able to do our job and protect this country. Tell me about these UH, you're the acting Director of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. What were these raids? What happened? Here's some reporting today about seven elevens nationwide UH targeted in anti illegal immigration employment rates. Well, like I said, when I became a director, I gave a commitment, we're gonna we're

gonna step up work site enforcement. It's against the law to her and he go ailing to work. UH. And it's as an as an enticement to for the immigration people. You know they're going to if they're lucky enough to get by the bordatrow. They're come here to work. They're coming here to make money, they're coming here to be with family. We got to take that magnet away. Is against the law of heart illegal amilies. That we're going to force a law that for increase in those investigations

this year. This is a nationwide investigation. We're gonna hit small companies, gonna hit big companies, go minium sized companies. We're going to enforce law. We need to. We need to remove that magnet that just infices more illegal immigration, more people guy could try to come to this country and work more BORD relations. We put at risk, more

of my officers put at risk for immigration. This is one piece of the puzzle that we have to fix to to really fix the border problem and secure that border. Director Holman, is the Trump administration committed to e verify as part of the package for this immigration negotiation currently, and what can you tell us about the effectiveness of e verifying? Well, look, I I know that part of

our policy request. You know, there's a store A few weeks ago, you know, myself to Bord Patrol at CBP and CIS got together and we put a list of policy objectives and legislative jet because we sent them up to the Hill in their discussions on DOCUCN and these are things we need to fix the system with. And there's a story that I think came from the White Houses. No, No, this coming from career law enforce and officers. I've been doing this thirty four years. This was my list, this

was the head of the CPPs list. We sent these up there and he verifies one of them. Look, you verify does work and and it should be required. So I don't know what's going to what they're going to be side up in hill again. I'm a law enforce and agency. I'm going to enforce Laws A and Act, and I'll stopping forcing Laws A repeal. But I'm hoping

that everybody agrees im illegal immigration is a problem. We have three career law enforcing officers who've told you what the loopholes are, where the shortages are, what we can fix to end this. I hope they take it seriously and fix this once and for all. I was I was here in during the last ark in the amnesty and then they promised, you know, serious worksite enforcement then, but we never got the resources the authorities to do it.

We're saying right now, we're talking about any discussion on DOCTA, Let's have a serious discussion how we fix this problem once and for all. And that what we sent up there, and he verified was on a list of things were sent up there we wanted to consider. We're speaking to Acting Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Director Thomas Holman. Director Director Holman tell me about the current state of illegal crossings, because in the New York Times just put out a

peace saying that, well, here's a quote. Shelters along the southern border are filling up. Immigration lawyers in the regions say caseloads are spiking and across the southwest border officers are stopping more than a thousand people a day. Is there a surge right now? What's going on the numbers of family First of all, the overall numbers are down, but there is an increased recent increase in the number of family units and on the company children. And there's

a reason for that. You know. Again, we have asked for changes in a lot of t v p R as a Trafficking Vitnam Protection actors. I think it's from two thousand and eight, is followed the Homeland Security built two thousand two and if if if you're on a company child under the a j T and you are, you're if you're from Excre Canada. Once we determined you're not a victim of trafficking, we can remove them to

these countries. However, the t v p r A makes it impossible us to remove children to like Central America, Honduras, Salvador, Guatemala, where most of these kids are coming from. So that's one of the things we sent to the healthy We show fix the t v p R A it's being abused. It had a good intention, but it's being abused in the loopholes in that system. These kids want they get released to a parent or sponsor. They're in to win.

And if they do show up in court, which many of them don't, uh, they get a court or they're not going to leave, they're going to win. So we're asking for changes in that legislation to help. When once we get those changes, you're going to see those numbers drop significantly. As far as the family units, that's another court decision. That's another decision on the Ninth Circuit, and in the floor's decision settle my agreement, where they're telling us we can only hold these family units for a

certain period of time, less than three weeks. Well, look, if you're an illegal Amian family, you're coming to Central America to come to the United States. If you know you can come, get arrest, turn yourself over, get arrest and putting a facility for two weeks and get fed, you know, three meals a day, get your vaccinations, get your physicals. Don't need to be released in the community.

That's just a part of them doing business that you know they're gonna keep coming so we've asked for a change in that lit in that judicial decision, so we can hold these people, we remove people, we detain once you to release somebody, you know, we don't need they're going to win. So those two instances, the two populations you see a rise in the border are specifically in response to bad court decisions and bad policy. That we've asked Commerce to look at both of these things and

change them as soon as they can. One more for your director. There's a lot of debate right now about the wall, the President said today and no uncertain terms of wall would have to be part of a package when it comes to addressing immigration from a legislative perspective. Just tell me this. You are currently overseeing thousands of

agents from Immigrations and Customs enforcement. When you speak to the guys and men and women on the front lines here of enforcement, are they convinced the wall is a good idea? Are you convinced that the wall is a good idea? Because the media acts like a wall won't do anything, And I look around, I'm like, the history has a lot of walls that did a lot. Look you know, I I started my career in a Bordertrow. I know a lot of Bardastrow agents, and and of

course I have my own hece agents. I can tell you fron own personal experience. I started my career in a Boardertrow. I I was in the San Diego sector back in eighty six, and we were catching thousands of illegal aliens per shift down there in the soccer fields. It's out of control. As soon as they put a wall up, a barrier up, the numbers plummeted. Every place they put that wall, whether San Diego, l Pass or some places in Huma. Every place they built the wall,

it was extremely successful. And you know what, during the More Securities Act, it was a byparison, bipartisan support. Everybody's supported building this wall. So why would we not This has been successful in every place we put it. Why would we not want the wall to protect public safety, nascal security? What price are you gonna put on that? So for those people that want to attack the wall,

it's worked. Every place that put up, it's proven. It's got to come with other technologies and resource and stuff, you know, and but the wall works. I support the wall. Like we had a forty five year decline in illegal crossings. This year. But everybody. So they don't need the wall. No, because there's still people are gonna come to this country forty five uh percent to clients. Still there's still thousands

of people coming in. We need the wall. It's worked, let's do it, let's put let's what price you're gonna put on the security of this country. This president came in here, he wants the wall. I support that he's done. He's this president. I've worked for six different presidents. This president has done more for border security in public safety

than any of the six presidents I've worked for. I've been forcing immigration lall for thirty four years, and this this president, President Trump, has done more for the men and women of Bord Patrol, for the men and women of Ice, and for the citizens of this country and border security than any president I've ever worked for. Let's find all this plan, let's get it fixed. Acting Immigrations

and Customs Enforcement Director Thomas Homan, Director Holman. Great to have you, Thank you so much, and come back soon. Thank you, sir. H Team. We're going to roll into a break. We've got a lot more to talk about today, including the latest on immigration, Russia collusion investigation, regulation, I'm gonna tell you some stories about regulation later on that

are going to make your head spin. We're gonna break it down into some real world a real world example of just how crazy regulation is in this country and why it's so important that President Trump is in fact peeling them back and taking all of these ropes and constraints off of American businesses and American entrepreneurs. So we've got that a much more coming up eight f eight to five will be right back. Does this get in the administration's way of immigration reform. I don't think so.

I mean, we are very disappointed by the decision, but what we heard yesterday at the meeting was we're all committed to finding a deal. So a permanent solution is actually to the benefit of all the current DACA recipients, and that's what we'll pursue. Were those talks as productive as they appeared to all of us who were let into that room with the TV cameras rolling, Yes, I think so. I'm very optimistic. We left with a clear path forward. We agreed on the four pillars components of

a deal. I'm very encouraged by what we did yesterday and look forward to continuing to meet with our colleagues on the Hill day to day and so we get this done. That was Secretary of Homeland Security kirshtin Nielsen

earlier today on DOCCA and the negotiations around it. Look, DOCCA is something that sounds like it might be a good bargaining chip, and then you get into what the long term implications are or even really just the real implications of DOCCA, and you're gonna have some some big problems. But we'll we'll get back into that in a moment. I first wanted to spend some time setting up, uh, this insane, absolutely crazy order from a judge in California. Anytime,

I'm gonna say that on the show right there. So there's this judge in California who decided to get his hashtag resistance points up on the board. And in this case, it's about this is from the Northern District of California decision. This is a preliminary injunction, mind you, but the injunction is from this judge saying that across think about this, one federal judge says across the country, the Trump administration now has to has to implement deferred action for childhood

arrivals doctor across the country. One judge the case is the regents of the University of California and Janet Apolitano. Ay, it's it's big sis, Nepolitano. I'm back. I un to be the Secretary of Homeland Security and now here I am running to California school system bringing a suit against the Trump administration. Big stas. So she's part of this lawsuit against the home against her a former agency department Homeland Security. Isn't that? Isn't that what you call iron nick? Uh?

You've got Kirsten Nielsen and we just played there named as the defendant here just because she runs DHS. And here's the basic the basic argument of the plaintiffs here that there are some people covered under DACA in California. There's some other states that also signed onto this two, but we'll just focus on California because why not just

beat up on California. Uh, there's some there are some people who are covered under DACA who are students or faculty, etcetera, etcetera at the University of californ in your school system, which is which is vast and they're saying that this is it is unfair for Trump or in this case, it is it is illegal for Trump and the Department Homeland Security of the Executive Branch not to continue to give DOCCA protection to these individuals because it's necessary for

the because they're doing good things. I mean, I'm gonna try to walk to the argument really makes no sense, but I'll try to give you what they're saying. What they're really saying is this plaintiffs group from the Department of or the regions of the University California and big sister a Politano Hello, hey uh and then DHS. What they're saying is DOCCA is good for people that work

or go to the California school system. Therefore, for due process reasons, you can take away what's good for them, because because it hurts us, it puts us at a at a disadvantage because we need these DOCCA people so badly we're now working for or going I think it's primarily for some of the employees. But and this can get there's a very complicated version of this case and a very simple version of this case. I think I

just made a clear deal with the simple version. First simple version is this it's illegal for illegals to be in the country. The Obama administration decided that under the notion of prosecutorial authority, a prosecutory discretion. Rather under prosecutorial discretion, they were gonna say, hey, you can stay here, and oh, by the way, that also means you can work, you can get work permits while you're here. And it's really an abusive prosecutorial discretion because there is. And this is

why the DAPPA program. And I know we're getting a little in the eats here, but it's important. Deferred action of parental right, or deferred action for parents of arrivals whatever. DAPPA, the parents of the DACA covered individuals, which is the so called dreamers. I don't like using that term because it's obviously it's it's obviously meant to influence the discussion

just by using it. Right there, Dreamers, they're just dreaming about a better place, a better America, right, I mean, no, there're people that want to be in the country because America is the best country with the best economy, etcetera, etcetera. Who and who are not legally allowed to be here. They're dreamers. Oh, but the the Obama aministration decided to do that, and the Trump administration came in and said, hold on a second, Uh, we don't want to continue

to do that. We mean, the executive branch are not going to use our discretion in that way. Therefore, these doctor protections will not continue. And what the what this one and judge a Clinton appointee, No, no surprise there. What this one judge came out with today was sorry, you have to use your discretion in that way. Now, to put it mildly and simply, that's not the judge's call. The judge is not in a position to make that call. This is not up to this judge. The judge is

going way beyond his authority. But as we saw with uh, that federal judge in Hawaii and the Ninth Circuit, this fifth Circuit than the Ninth Circuit, Oh, I'm sorry, no, this Ninth Circuit too. Um, as we saw with the judge out in Hawaii, though, who the Supreme Court had to slap down. You don't get to decide that you don't like Trump as a judge and you're just gonna overrule federal government policy because you don't like Trump. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

And this decision from this judge in Northern California is just another instance of legislating from the bench hashtag resistance judges coming out and ignoring what the law says because they have a policy preference. In this case, this judge knows you're gonna be a hero in the state of California to a whole lot of people if you write the law or you make the law up as you go along to insist on DOCTA protections. It's very straightforward. Though the judge does not have the authority to do this.

This would be the equivalent, okay of a judge. It really is the equivalent of a judge saying, um, okay, this federal prosecutor chose not to press charges on this case, and then another federal prosecutor would come along and the same the same jurisdiction and say no, no, I'm actually gonna bring charges. And then the judge is, sorry, you can't do that. Why not. It's it's the under the discretion of the prosecutorial wing of the Justice Department. It's

not about whether. But the judge says, well, I don't like it. Well, we'll talk about more of this coming up this morning. And welcome to our first cabinet meeting of the new year was a year of tremendous achievement, monumental achievement. Actually, I don't think any administration has ever done has done what we've done and what we've accomplished in its first year, which isn't quite finished yet. You never know what's going to happen over the next few days.

Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. President Trump talking about the achievements of Seen, and I've certainly been trying to highlight them on this show because a lot of shows, a lot of media won't do that. They'll tell you about Trump is Trump, is this, He's that, He's seeing Ailie's crazy, He's even whatever. In fact, Seen on a policy basis was pretty darn good. Tax cuts are gonna be great, already having really positive impact on the economy, and I think we're in for a whole lot more.

But one of the things that happened in UH that gets some attention but not nearly enough, has to do with regulations, has to do with getting rid of the red tape. And it has been tremendous for the for this country, for the economy. And this is directly in Trump Sands. This is one of the executive branch success

is one of the victories. And this is a victory for conservatives, for limited government and for the whole country, even the people who hate it and hate Trump making things better for them whether they whether they like it or not. The President is helping them out with his approach to regular federal regulations. Because federal regulations have gotten completely out of control. And there's even a term term of art for this, now, regulatory fatigue or do you

have regulatory fatigue, sir, Yes, I'm quite tired. Regulatory fatigue is when the regulations just pile up way, way too high. Now, this is kind of a conversation that could have a lot of jargon. I could give you the numbers, I mean, the numbers of Obama was just trying to build the Mount Olympus of regulations. I mean, just regulations up to the sky, up to the moon, as far as the eye can see in further right, more regulations, the better.

A hyperactive federal regulatory body is what the Democrat party wants in this country. It's what Obama wanted, It's what Hillary Clinton would have wanted. How if she were president United States? Why? Because it's at the heart of state

is um. People that want the state to be in control love regulation because it fits right in with their overall idea of governance, which is that people should be told what to do by quote experts, and by that they really mean usually slothful bureaucrats, but experts in every aspect of their day to day life. There is nothing

for for a true progressive Democrat. There is nothing that is beyond the purview of the state when it comes to dictating behavior, uh, dictating your approach to everything in your day to day life, decisions that you make, micro managed down to the most minute level. And it's no exaggeration. Let me give you an example here. What would be

a an American pastime? What would be an American business that you would think everyone could agree that the federal government could take a relatively light touch in regulating, right, what's a one one thing about come to mind? Will be a lemonade stand? And sure enough, there are stories about, you know, a little eight year old girls running a lemonade stand, and the local you know, better business commerce whatever regulators come over and say, do you'll have a permit?

Young lady? Now you know they kick her off the street, competing on fairly with local lemonade businesses, right, I mean, but but I've got a I've got a better one for you, or or I've got a specific one. And it actually comes from a courtesy of The New York Times from a few weeks ago. I don't think this got very much attention. One of the things I love to do here in the Freedom Hunt is bring stories

to your attention that aren't just that. You know, the headline, the biggest headline on Fox News dot com, Drudge sometimes CNN, although CNN is just one long it's really now just turned into one long blog about the Russia collusion investigation. That's what CNN dot comms. But here's this piece of your Times apple picking. How complicated? How complex could apple picking really be? And how much could federal regulation really hamper the business of letting people pay some money to

grab some apples on their own beautiful fall day. It's big out here. I know some parts of the country probably don't have much of this, but you know, out here on the East Coast, in the Northeast, you got a lot of this going on. So here's what The New York Times wrote on this quote for eight weeks. Every fall, Indian Ladder Farms, a fifth generation family operation near Albany, kicks into peak season. The farm cells homemade

apple pies, fresh cider, and warm doughnuts. School Children arrived by the bus load to learn about growing apples, and as customers pick fruit from trees, workers fill bins with apples destined for the farm's shop and grocery stores. This fall, amid the rush of commerce, the apple harvest season accounts for about half of Indian ladders annual revenue. Federal investigators showed up. They wanted to check the farm's compliance with migrant labor rules and the Fair Labor Standards Act, which

sets pay and other requirements for workers. Suddenly, the small office staff turned its focus away from making money to play cating a government regulator. The investigators arrived on a Friday in late September and interviewed the farm's management and a group of laborers from Jamaica who have special work visas. The investigators hand delivered a notice and said they would be back the following week when they asked to have

twenty two types of records available. The request included vehicle registrations, insurance documents and time sheets, reams of paper in all over the next several days, the ten Ike family, which owns the farm, along with the staff, devoted about forty hours to serving the investigators, who visited three times before closing the books. It is terribly disruptive, said Peter tan Ike, who runs the farm along with his daughter and son.

And the dimension that doesn't get mentioned is the psychological hit. They are there to find something wrong with you, and then they are going to find you end quote. H. This is a This is a great example of how terrible some of the federal regulations in this country really are. I mean, this really brings it home. I think you got a business in its peaks. It's a very seasonal business, apple picking, not a lot of apple picking. I'm a native, you know, New Yorker, and I've spent a lot of time.

I have family up in the Hudson Valley, have a house of the Hudson Valley. Grandparents been there, uh summers up in the Hudson Valley, and I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of apple picking going on in January. But if it's the peak season, they said, that counts for half of this farm's revenue. I've been talking to you on this show about farmers and the plight of farmers. Trump spoke to farmers yesterday in or maybe the day before in Nashville and federal regulations, reams of paper. We

had Selina Zito come on. She's a author and a correspondent journalist, and she was saying that farmers have to fill out stacks and stacks and stacks of paperwork. I mean, I know, farming is a really tough business, really hard to do. I know that, right. You deal with a lot of stuff that's beyond your control. Seasonality. Whether all this I can't. I would think though, that one of the benefits is that it's a pretty self sustaining thing and you're at least somewhat away from the reach of

an overweening and semi dick tutorial Uncle Sam. But oh, farmers got a ton of paperwork. I've been willing to bet now every small businessman and woman listening to this show right now, it's probably like, oh, Buck, let me tell you about dealing with OSHA, dealing with the f d A, dealing with I mean, all these different organizations that come in and want never mind, I mean, you get a visit from the I R S. That's truly the nightmare scenario. But I'm sure you've all got stories

about it, and it needs to stop. It needs to stop. It is completely and utterly out of control. In fact, the Mercadis Center, which is a center right think tank at George Mason University, says that the Federal Regulatory Code right now has and this is just for rules on apple orchards, okay, has twelve thousand rules and regulations and effect for apple picking. My friends, the trees, the apples, you pick them, you eat them, or you sell them.

I mean, how it really? I mean, we're pretty much in lemonade stand territory here right in terms of the complexity of the commercial transaction, and no offense to lemonade stand. But you see what I'm saying. This is not Dodd Frank High Finance Global too. This is Okay, I've got an apple farm. I'd like people to come. I'd like

them to be able. Reminds me of Ron Swanson, you know that, the wonderful character from the show Parks and Wreck where he gives his version of commerce, which is, you know, I've got a few apples, would you like to trade or buy some they're done commerce. That's really what this should be. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. And yet the federal government has twelve thousand.

We think about that. If you and I sat down, if I got like a group of team Buck experts, we could probably come up with like a few hundred regulations if we were trying to. And I'm not saying it would be a good thing, but twelve thousand. How do you have twelve thousand regulations about picking apples? Well, the federal code currently for orchards specifically spends ten thousand,

four hundred words to regulate the spraying of pesticides. And I can tell you that somebody who, as part of my living, gets paid to write things and pays attention to word count. That's a lot of words. That's a lot of writing about pesticides, just for orchards. The business owner in this case, the the owner of the orchard, uh, must be proficient. According to the Times, here in thirty three precise definitions, including a forty five word description of

the term hazard. Uh. There, this is just insanity. Uh, it's absolutely crazy. I mean I look into the details here and I think how could and even the Times is like, look, you know there are there is a limit even to our status meddling. Right, even the times you're saying, maybe having twelve thousand regulations for an apple orchard is a bad idea. And this is why when Trump is trying to push for a regulatory rollback and has been, it is so important for all of us.

It's so important for business. And you know, this is what you're seeing here. I mean President Trump at the beginning of his term signed an executive order that for every new federal regulation too had to be rescinded um. And this is one of the things that does not get nearly enough attention, does not get nearly enough I think, uh does thing nearly enough? Credit twelve thousand, folks, that's how many regulations for an apple org And it's just insane.

Think about what that does. And that's now we're start thinking about what's it like for more complicated businesses. I should know it. It's really anti competitive as well. Big business loves big government, big business love staate is um, especially when you're talking about regulatory costs, regulatory burden, all that. There's a reason why there's been so much consolidation of the megabanks and these mega financial institutions because for them, yeah,

they they can handle the Dodd Frank regulatory burden. Might mean more costs for consumers, might mean it affects the bottom line of the corporate entity. But if you're trying to get a small start, you're trying to run a small a boutique investment bank for example, or even a community local bank, hurts you a whole lot more than it does Goldman Sacks, doesn't it right? And you can apply that throughout the entire commercial ecosystem to businesses across

the board. This is why the White How approach to regulation. It just means that, you know what, the local apple orchard owner maybe has a shot to stay in business. Means the local auto body shop owner, the uh somebody runs a grocery store, somebody runs uh whatever, your small business. Maybe you got a shot under this administration, the Obama administration was just telling you to just deal with it. Sorry.

You know, we've got we've got an agenda here, We've got people to please, we've got a media that we need to run stories about how we're cracking down on the lack of recycling, an X, Y or Z industry. Right, I mean, this is just it was insanity, and it's all because of this president in this White House. So I'm gonna call it out when I don't like what they're doing. You know, I disagree with this administration on the approach to the legalization there approach when it comes

to legalization of marijuana. They're more restrictive and more about enforcement at least that's what they're saying. But on regulation, you know, it should commerce should be a pretty straightforward thing whenever we can have it that way, and you know, an apple and apple orchard should be, hey, I would like to buy some apples, here's some money for it, and yeah, don't don't spray anything on it that's gonna hurt anybody. And you know we can we can make

this pretty straightforward, just like with the tax code. Same thing should be true of federal regulations for businesses. Simple, straightforward, universally applied and applicable. That's it. That's it. So regulations doesn't sound like a sexy topic, But to those of you who deal with it, I know you're like, hey, this matters, alright, Alright, I know I gotta roll into a break here, I got fired up about my apple orchard eight four or four n eight to five eight

four or four nine buck. Let me just say, if you've got a story about your business dealing with crazy regulations, would love to hear it. Crazier the better. Let's beat up on the federal government. Let's beat up on the Leviathan bureaucracy that is out there, the many tentacled octopus that will not leave you a own courtesy of Washington d C. We'll be right back a little bit differently, because I think there's no question in my mind that

I'm not to have banks now. The regulations was like a friction cause in society, and it got worse and worse and worse. So in other industries. If I speak to you know, if some of my friends in media, mining, telecom, they're clearly seeing to benefit, we haven't really seen it. And financial services because the new people just put in place. But but the American public should think of this is a vast bureaucracy which is like sand in the engine.

And to reduce some of that, not roll back good regulations, not go back to the good old times. Not. Don't you know we need to protect consumers but you know, bureaucracy and bureaucracy, and the American public knows that when they go to the d M V veterans, No, when they go to the v A. I mean, and that's what's been happening more and more the United States. That's Jamie Diamond speaking to Maria bar a Roma there on Fox and he's the CEO of JP Morgan and it's

a Democrat. It's super rich guy obviously, uh. And he's talking about it. And look, I think he's right, you know, I think he's puts it pretty well. We know what bureaucracy is like. Whenever we deal with it, we hate it. So why do we want bureaucracies more involved in our

lives via regulation? Why would we want an apple orchard to get a visit in its busiest season that takes forty hours of manpower offline for them to make, you know, to make a profit, make enough money for people to pay their bills, pay their mortgage, put food on the table. We don't we we don't want that to happen. We don't want the federal government doing all this crazy stuff.

And it really needs a look, I mean, the Obama administration just went nuts with telling the American people what to do all with everything all over the place and pushing that back is is phenomenal. Stephen in Mississippi has got a ridiculous regulation for me. What's up, Stephen? Hello?

How are you? I'm good? Okay. Now, what we had to do when they switched over to energy efficient bulbs the for for reescent bloods that we used, we had to buy the same box they came in to store them to send them back to the government rather than just putting them in h bub crusher and uh crushing them and sending them back to the landfill. So you, because of a regulation, you had to recycle your light

bulbs and send them back to the government. Now we had to recycle them in the exact same box they came in, in the same box. Why, I don't even know why. They don't even know how they think that makes sense? That's what they did. And we had to chain off the area they were in. But we had to put them in the same exact box they came in. So if somebody lost the box, we had to buy the box from ge and then ship it down here to us. Put the balls in? What business? What business?

Steve do you mind telling us what kind of business? Yeah? Yeah, man, Steven, thank you so much, Shield Tie, thank you for calling in with the regular Yeah, it's I mean, I the stories people tell me about this stuff, it's insane. Well, the way everybody I know who works in finances, like dot Frank is crazy. Dot Frank does all kinds of really bad things, but people don't spend as much time thinking about that. All right, we got a lot more stay with me. All We got Brett in Virginia who's

got a dumb federal regulation for me. Brett, lay it on me. Hey, Buck, are you tonight? I'm good man, Thank you for calling in. Well, I have a pressure washing business and I fight both E p A and um OSHA. So just to give you an example of how crazy the regulations are. Um if we claim a building and we use kind of coals, but you have to capture that and put it in a sanitary sewer. And I understand that because it's chemicals and we don't

want those ruining our water system. Even though I'm conservative, I don't like to do things like that. Yeah, everybody actually wants clean water. There's this there's this left wing myth out there. That people will want to poison, especially the communities they live in, because you know, the e p A has to save the day or something. It's crazy exactly. And and and these are people that I mean e p A started out at nothing, and that it's a gigantic organization. But here, here's the here's the

funny part of this thing. So I cleaned the building with hot water only because it's easier to do it that way than it is the chemicals. I still have to capture that water and the dirt and all that comes off of those buildings. I have to take that water. I have to put it in some kind of vessel, and then I have to pump it into grass, dirt or gravel so they can then be filtered. And I said to the person who was with the state, the same as e p A, what happens when it rains?

They have no answer, right, So you're telling me that you're literally using water to clean as you're as part of your business. You're you're using water on the outside of a building which is hit with water when it rains, and you have to treat the water runoff from cleaning the building like you're using dangerous or abrasive chemicals or something pretty much pretty close to it. Oh, I'm sorry. It has to be filtered through the ground, not through it.

So it's not a separate thing. But it has to be filtered through the ground because why because it's dirty. So you have special regulations for how you dispose of dirty water. It's it's dirty. I mean, does dirty water not go down the storm drains anyway? Yeah, I would think. So, I'm trying to Wow, that isn't a regulation. Is so dumb that I'm having a hard time understand. I didn't get Brett. Well, on top of that, I've drat the

ocean regulations and I've got my STS manuals. I have to keep one in the shop and one and and one in each truck. Here's the funny thing. If you buy it in in the store and I bring it into my office. So let's say you go out and you buy some wind X and put it under your cabinet in the house. Well, that's fine and wonderful. But if I buy that same windex and put it in my office for my employees to use, I have to have an SCS sheet on that. And for those who

don't know what STS is. It's material safety data sheets and it explains what it is, what it's made of, and what you do in case this happens or that happens, open your kitchen cabinet. Yeah, there you go, Brett, great examples, man. Thank you for calling from Virginia. I appreciate it. And keep doing what you do. Um. Yeah, you know, it's it's amazing to me when you uh, when we uh look at the on the on the apple orchard, the

whole farmer situation I was telling you about. I didn't even get into some of those details, just about the the enormous amount of paperwork about everything that happens on the farm all the time. They have to and then they go into some crazy examples. You know, anything that happens they have to document it paperwork, and probably in duplicate or triplicate and all this stuff. It's a farm, you know. Yeah, if somebody gets hit with heavy machinery

and they're injured, okay, you documented. Right, there's this. This is the thun funny thing of regulation. Sensible regulation is not something that a lot of people have a have a tough time with. Right, It's very easy to understand this. It's just a question, and when the regulations become well, wouldn't this be nice, or oh we have this agenda, Oh we would like it if that were that were happening.

I mean, it's just madness. It's just madness. Pollution is a great example, by the way, of how this gets so out of control. There's always this notion that the thinks that we want to get rid of all regulations and everything, because if if conservatives have had their way, we'd be living in some kind of uh you know, iron randy and anarchy where only the strong survive and people will be polluting everything. And now nobody actually wants to poison people. Really, that's I mean, I'm not saying

it never happens. I'm just saying it's it's not an active goal of of industry or jab or job creators or they don't need to act like everybody's trying to do terrible things all the time. But they do. They certainly do. Uh. So there's that. So we got some of the regulation stuff in there. I know, you you know, how many other people are gonna spend time on their radio show or on on their TV show or whatever about regulatory burden, regulatory fatigue, as it is called hello

and fatigued from the regulations. That's how we roll here though, the Freedom Hunt. We do educational stuff here as well, you know, not just all the country. That country is being destroy you know, okay, yeah, anyone can do that, right. The country is going down the tubes, you know. Okay, that's that's that's fun at all. But there's other things to talk about as well. I think I'm gonna hold

off on my speaking of fearmongering. No, but really, I think I'm gonna hold off on the discussion about what happens if China stops buying treasuries and maybe starts to unwind some of its treasury positions for a later time. He might even have an expert guest come on and get into that one, because that's that's how things start to be a little scary. The the debt, which I know nobody really wants to talk about. The debt is still a big problem, and it's getting worse all the time.

But right now, people, I don't want to get into it. So all right, I hear you and all that. I hear that switching gears though for a second from that whole I'm gonna need you to do a heartbreak with me. Here. We're gonna get away from that for a second talk. We're gonna take a tough breath. It will We'll stretch it out. I told you before I got my neck is killing me. So maybe you can take a moment wherever you're listening and just just do do yourself. Favorite

do a little stretching. It's something I don't do nearly enough of. And I'm hurting myself because I get all tightly wound from reading and writing and researching all the time. It's not not good for your posture. Uh. The greatest newest nickname out there courtesy of Trump is Sneaky Diane Finstein. This is when he tweeted out earlier today, the single greatest witch hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion. Everybody,

including the Dems, knows there was no collusion. And yet on it goes Russia and the world is laughing at the stupidity they're witnessing. Republicans should finally take control. Uh. And then he says, wait, where's the sneaky what does he call her? Sneaky fin Stein? I forget where he it happened. President Trump's Oh Yeah. The fact that sneaky Diane fin Stein, who this is what I was looking for.

The fact that sneaky Diane fine Stein, who was on numerous occasion state inclusion has not been found, would release testimony in such an underhand that and possibly illegal way, totally without authorization, is a disgrace. Must have primary Uh so, yeah, he calls her sneaky, sneaky Diane Feinstein. Meanwhile, over at the MS MSNBC, here's what Laurence O'Donnell had to say about the fine Stein testimony transcript. I don't know if we call it a leak, but whatever it was, here's

what here's here's that the left is treating this. So what Diane Spinstein did today was the single most important act by the United States senator since Donald Trump took the oath of office. Nothing less than that, sir, stop the hammering, Stop the hammering. Laurence O'Donnell once said, Uh, I don't know how he could say that's the most important thing ever, because one, there's a lot of redactions in it, so there's a lot that we're still not

allowed to know. And I would like to know why fusion GPS is work isn't classified because Fusion GPS is a private sector entity working at the behest of a political campaign. So why would there be stuff that we're that is not for public view? From that, why will Fusion GPS only testify behind closed doors? Another question that I think we all deserve some answers to. And and how Laurence O'Donnell comes up with the notion that this is the most important thing that any Senator has done

under Trump's presidency. I mean, maybe the Senate is not doing a lot of really important stuff, fine, but it seems to me that Feinstein clearly has an agenda at work here. Some are saying what she did is not even legal. I don't know. I didn't I didn't spend time on Capitol Hill with regard to these kinds of testimony, so I can't tell you if it's legal or not. But it seems to me like it quite clearly was intended to have some political effect or impacts. So there

you have it. Uh, Sneaky Diane Feinstein the newest of the Trump nicknames, Sneaky fin Stein. Trump is great with the nicknames. I mean, you know, to say what you will about the guy. He gives nicknames that stick sneaky Diane. Alright, eight four or four eight to five. We'll get into some of the um some me too moment stuff, and I think it's got a little lot of control. Get into that and some other things coming up here, So stay right there. I'll be back. I feel like I

could do a whole show just on Crazy CNN. Chiron's Kirn's are the little words, you know, little banners the bottom of the of the TV screen. And there was one I sec togo about Yale psychiatrists warning about warning Congress about Trump's mental health. Okay, well, what exactly are they warning about here? This is not somebody who has not somebody who's actually been able to diagnos house and spend time with the president. So it's it's just crazy.

They're crazy. They think Trump's crazy, and the truth is they are crazy. Oh my gosh. They will not let it go. They won't stop if they don't get them on Russian collusion. They're they're going to try to convince people that that the president has that the president is deranged. Meanwhile, the president is doing all kinds of great stuff for

the country, including outside of the country too. Here's what he had to say about earlier today about the Korea situation, that the North and South Korean standoff, nuclear standoff between Kim Jong un and the rest of the world. Here's what Trump had to say. I just spoke to President Moon. He's very thankful for what we've done that having talks with North Korea. Will see how that happens. Uh. He felt that the original that the initial talk was extremely

good and a lot of good comment. Rex was on the phone, and Nikki has been totally briefed. But we had a very very good conversation and we'll see where it goes. He's very thankful for what we've done. It was so reported today, uh that we were the ones. Without our attitude that would have never happened. Who knows where it leads, hopefully to lead to success for the world,

not just for our country, but for the world. So we've been told by the press for a while that Trump's approach to North Korea, to Kim Jong On specifically, is antagonistic, could lead to nuclear war. That was the whole That was the whole, uh. Summary version of what they were saying about Trump's tweets where we call them rocket man and everything and yeah, here we are. You have. You don't have to just take my word for it, you have. The president of South Korea, President Moon jay In,

said that quote. Trump deserves big credit for kicking off the first talks between Pyongyang and Soul in more than two years. North Korea has agreed to send a delegation to the Winter Olympics next month. Now, I'm I'm very sober minded about this. I'm very forthright with you all.

I know that this could just be a North Korean head fake or a North Korean ploy, but it is also the first time in two years that there has been any real talking between North and South Korea, and it happens to be occurring right after a series of decisions by the Trump administration to implement more powerful sanctions against North Korea, and also Trump saying, look, you know, if you want to play rough you know a little man in North Korea, guess what a rocket man? You know?

I can play rougher when you're talking about a regime like North Korea where the cult of personality is absolute and absolutist, When you're looking at a truly totalitarian society like that where the leader is worshiped in an almost godlike status that somebody would challenge him so directly in this way, we've been told will only result in heightened chance of of of an actual nuclear exchange, nuclear war with North Korea, which they may get off a couple

of missiles, but there won't be any North Korea left afterwards, as we all know. So that's not a war they would win. It's not a where anybody wants either, but it's war we would finish. And we've been told that you can't you can't hit back at the bully publicly this way. It's it's uh crazy, what there's that word again? You know, it's irresponsible Trump is doing. Meanwhile, you got the president of South Korea, who I think knows a whole lot more about North Korea South Korean relations in

the military situation. Then all these different pundits and journalists and such running around sharing their opinions on this. Who's saying that President Trump deserves a lot of credit here for taking action, for doing something, for forcing North Korea's hand, And is this something that's getting into coverage New New of course not. There's also been this uprising in Iran, which if you go back and look at the if you look at what the conventional wisdom of the foreign

policy echo chamber has been on these two problems. Remember the two states left from what Bush described as the access of evil, right it was Iraq, Iran, North Korea. And now the rock has gone, not no longer on the access of evil now that it's gone as a place, but Iran and North Korea is still remained very serious

problems with the United States. And yet the foreign policy consensus from the people who think they know about these things in the media at least, and from the former Obama administration officials who just make they really make a mockery of themselves on a regular basis. These uh foreign policy bros that worked for Obama that are running around you can see some of them on Twitter and stuff and the But the wisdom has been, oh, well, because Trump was uh being well, because he's been critical of

the Iran nuclear deal. The people of Iran have rallied behind the regime. That was like a month ago, people that were writing that in New York Times and there that was the storyline. Oh they're there. Trump's refusal to play by Obama's rules when it comes to Iran is

just making everything worse. Meanwhile, we've seen an uprising against the regime, and not just against any one particular small policy of the regime has has been doing in Iran, but against the the entirety of it, the whole blocracy, the whole thing, the Mullah's run of the show uh Iranian Islamist Revolution. They're like, this is all crap. We're sick of it. It's bad, we don't want this anymore. Oh, I guess all the foreign policy consensus about Trump on

this was was not right. Huh. The same things going on here with North Korea. Oh Trump, you can't do that. You can't say his mean things about Kim Jong un.

Uh So we're just supposed to sit around and and let By the way, it's a big propaganda tool for the North Koreans that Kim Jong un gets his way, gets away literally with murder, but Kim jongan gets his way with the international community, doesn't suffer consequences, slaps out at countries that are much bigger and more powerful than him, including the United States, and you know there's there's no

real pushback. Well, Trump is calling him out basic, calling him a punk and saying, look, the door to negotiation and diplomacy is open. But if you want to be a punk, we we can. We can treat you like one. And people say, oh, foreign policy, it was so bad. Meanwhile, like I said, the President to South Korea is looking at saying, actually, Trump knows knows something that all the Obama experts from that eight years of foreign policy disaster.

Trump seems to know something they don't know. Like like others of them pointing out they can call Trump crazy till they're blow in the face. But from everything we see so far, if Trump is crazy, my friends, he is crazy like a fox. We'll be right back. Let's talk about the latest with the me too movement, Jolly, Let's discuss some stories that fall into this category of UH the movement against sexual harassment and uh the all

all the different iterations of this. Now, there are a few things coming together, different perspectives on this that I would like to spend some time working through with you. First of all, there there's well, in a way, this touches on the meat the meat too movement, which is as you know, is about women who are sharing their stories of harassment or assault or but it it has been also used in politicized ways already, as any political movement would be. It has been used by some to grandstand.

It has been appropriated for the self interest of different individuals at different times. So we're going to look at this from different perspectives. You've got Mark Wahlberg, whom I have to say has has grown on me as as an actor. I like him more now than I used to. I like I like a fair amount of his movies. Um, in the earlier day, I was not a Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch fan. It's some of you. Yeah, you're old enough to remember. You know what I'm talking about.

You know, I can't remember the songs. But Mark Wahlberg has has matured as as an actor as a performer, and I think he's done a He's done a good job. But good Way, Good Vibrations was the Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Really, that's a pretty good song. Maybe I'll take that back anyway, I have a Marky Mark. I'm sorry, Mark part. I did not mean to do that.

Mark Wahlberg, who is a very big box office draw, was part of the reshoots for the All the Money in the World movie, not All the Money in the world had to be reshot because of a me Too movement moments in which it came out that Kevin space He had tried to engage in a sexual encounter with an actor male actor who at the time was was underage under the age of consent in the state of New York, and that got him in a whole lot

of trouble. And he has he's one of these people now who's who's been outed and his career outed as a predator and his career is obviously I don't know if you say it's totally done, but never gonna be the same guys off the show House of Cards, which I have to say the first season was entertaining a very overrated show. I couldn't even make it through the

third season. But anyway, but he's now he's been one of these people who has gotten a whole lot of trouble because of what he it is allegedly, remember this has not been proven to court a lot, but allegedly did a long time ago, and we're trying to do a long time ago. Oh and Mark Wahlberg had to be part of the reshoot Becausey had to take Kevin

Spacey out of the movie. Well, the big issue here is that it's come out and it's been made a big issue by the media that Mark Wahlberg got paid one point five million dollars for the reshoot of the movie. That was necessary. The reshoot was necessary because they had they scrubbed Kevin Spacey from the movie, literally removed him in post production and and used another actor's face like he they it's pretty amazing technologically they removed him from

the movie. He got paid one one five million dollars. Michelle Williams uh got paid a thousand dollars, it has been reported, which you know, that's a big that is a big pay differential. But a few things about this, and it's and people are saying that, see this is yet again the you know, equal work, equal pay thing, fair pay me to all all this different stuff, all of this gender inequality political movement gets tied into this right away. And I would just say, look, I haven't

looked too deeply into the details here. I don't have access to the contracts they sign. I don't know, but from what I understand, well, a couple of things. One is that I know that Mark Wahlberg uh was or is a much bigger actor in terms of being a box office draw than Michelle Williams is. That's just a fact. I think Wallberg's movies have grossed in the last couple of years close to a billion dollars. Michelle williams movies

have not gross close to a lillion dollars. And movie making is a business, not a business that is necessarily conducted very well. A lot of times in terms of the bottom line. A lot of mistakes are made, a lot of bad movies get made. But Mark Wahlberg is a is a box office draw. It's about the I don't know much of the lingo here, but I know that's something. They say. He's a box office draw. Michelle

Williams not so much. I I do have to. I thought my Week with Maryland, which Michelle Williams started, for those of you who are looking for a movie to watch that you may have been off your I thought it was a very good movie. And I don't just say movies here are bad, so you can you know, those of you who are already writing out those emails, you can stop. There are lots of movies that I love.

I just like to call out movies that people like for the wrong reasons, particularly reasons of politics, or you know, it's everyone's supposed to like a movie, so we're all told it's so great, But I like to be the one who says, no, it's actually not good. Don't even get me started on Avatar and how terrible it is. I'll be here all night. Uh. That's the first example came to mix I saw. I think they're making a second one, which is just it's just it's like a

form of torture. Avatar was horrible. Um, but Mark Wahlberg pay at one point five million, Michell Williams up pay hiss. But he's a much bigger actor than she is. As this as this stuff goes, now, I understand the immediate response you get there is buck He's not He's not a thousand times more valuable than she is. And that's true, right, I mean she she is a pretty well known actress, and like I said, the movie might be Maryland is a very good movie. I think you should go check

it out. Um, but it's uh. It's also an example of well did she just say she would do it for free? Because if she agreed to do it for free, it's not an equal pay disparity, sexual discrimination thing. It's just as she said, she do it for free, he demanded money. I mean, there is a what the market will bear a component of all this discussion as well. But as you can see, there's an immediate you got paid disparity between a man and woman. It must be

because of sexism. Well it could be, but in this case, he's a bigger actor. And what were the terms of her agreement? You know, if somebody just better at negotiating a deal for themselves than somebody else, I don't think it's fair to always just suggest or to to to assume that it's about sexism. Uh. Then you have another case, another me too situation here, and this one's also a little I'm I'm illustrating it to make a point, But I don't know all that. No one knows all the

details yet. But here's what's going on. James Franco, whom I do not like as an actor. I don't know him as a person, doesn't matter. I don't like him as an actor, find him to be very self satisfied and annoying, and and don't like his whole stick. But he was on the Stephen Colbert Show last night, and while he was on Stephen Colbert Show, it can't Colbert apparently, by the way, I don't is he really is he a comedian anymore? Is he a political commentator who makes jokes?

Some times? I think we know that Colbert is really just hashtag resistance comedian who sometimes is making jokes but has also doing a lot of finger wagging and moral preening and grandstanding and just trying to appeal to the coastal anti Trump audience as much as he can. Guys, not funny. His show stinks, And I really, and I mean that with all my heart. His show stinks. I'm sure they pay him like twenty million years. Stink though, so that's a good gig. And he though sat down

with James Franco. He told Franco, who's gonna bring this up? Franco was at the I was gonna say the Oscars, but it's the Golden Globes and he was all He was also with the whole meat too thing. I forget he wore either wore something or he was part of the Meat too movement in some way there at the Golden Globes where he had all these actresses who you know, couldn't say a peep some of them about Harvey Weinstein.

You know, when it would have really mattered. But now everybody's you know, now everybody's a hero, and now everybody okay but Walberg. I'm sorry. Franco has had a few actors come out and call him out publicly on on Twitter, call him out on social media to say that there's something this guy did, some bad stuff, and I would just note that. Here is his response. He was asked about this by Stephen Colby. Here's how Franco responded to all this. There were some things on Twitter, UM today, Yeah,

I didn't. I didn't. I haven't read them. I've heard about them. UM. Okay, First of all, I don't. I have no idea what I did to Ali Shed. I directed her in a playoff Broadway. I had nothing but a great time with her. Uh, total respect for her. I no, I have no idea why she was upset she took the tweet down. I don't. I don't know. UM, I can't speak for her. I don't know. UM the others. Look in my life, I pride myself on taking responsibility for things that I've done. I have to do that

to maintain my well being. I do it. Whenever I know that that there's something wrong or needs to be changed, I make it a point to do it. The things that I heard that that were on Twitter, um are not accurate. Um. But I completely support people coming out and being able to have a voice because I didn't have a voice for so long. So I don't want to. I don't want to, you know, shut them down in any way. It's it's I think a good thing, and I supported all right, So I I know. Let me

just say I know none of the facts here. I mean, nobody does really right except for James Franco and his accusers. So I'm not I'm a passing judgment on whether what any woman has claimed about Franco is true or not. I have no idea, and that's not for now. I just I want to look at another aspect of this, so just put that aside. And and I don't like Franco, as I told you, as an actor, but that shouldn't affect any of my judgment here anyway, uh, because that's

just as an actor, and who cares? That doesn't matter. Here's the thing. If you're accused of sexual misconduct as as a as a guy, and you know, as a public figure. You know, if you're James Franco, I feel like you you gotta go one of you. There's gotta be one or two things going on here. Either you messed up and you better at a minute. And I don't know how severe this stuff is we're talking about it.

I don't know if this is just harassment comments. I don't but I'm just trying to get it what seems to me to be a troubling trend here. You're you know, you either did some stuff where you didn't do some stuff, and if you didn't do anything really wrong, you know, if you didn't cross lines. If the accusations as he

says there, he says, well, it's not accurate. If they're untrue, you should be able to say those are lies, and it's terrible that people would lie about me in that a And if they are lies, you shouldn't then have to say on top of it. But you know, I don't wanna you could see he was very He's very sort of it was a weird interview, right. The whole thing was kind of what you know, it's either true or it's not. If it's not true, you shouldn't then, And like I said, I'm not passing judgment on it

being true or not. But if it's not true, as a guy, you shouldn't have to stand up there or sit there and say but you know, I I really support the movement and everything we hold On a second, these are not related things. This is about you, buddy, This about James Franco. Did James Franco do bad stuff? If James Franco did bad stuff, he should be held to account and he should be saying sorry at a minimum.

I again, I don't know how serious the stuff is, but if it's not true, I really am troubled by the notion that now, as a public figure, as a guy, when something's not true, if it's not true, you still have to be like, but I really appreciate these women coming forward to share that No no, no, no, no, no no no, this we're not getting this thing of

like everybody has their truth. I'm sorry, And Stephen Colbert went on to say, you know, how do we adjudicate between different I didn't play that audio for you, but between different perceptions of events or something there's right and there's wrong. You know that you either did bad stuff where you didn't and if somebody's lying about you, you should be able to call that out without fear of

seeming insensitive about the rest of the movement. You see, what's happened is that the individuals rights two to be able to get to the truth, to be able to defend themselves, that is being suppressed because now it's like your anti the movement, the me too movement, if you seem like you're too forcefully denouncing what are what would be false accusations here right, if in fact they're false.

But I think you see what I'm saying. It's it's troubling to see somebody who clearly is taking issue at some level with some of the accusations, and and he has his impulse. You know, I think it's still you know, I still want to say that, you know, I'm so so respectful of the movement. It's also good and everything else. I mean, if he's caught and he's in trouble, yeah, then I understand why he's saying it. But if he didn't do anything, why has he got to say all

that stuff? You know what I mean? All right, there's also some other folks out there who, as a very famous actress who's saying this me too thing has gotten out a hand. So I want to talk to you about that, but I'll have you have to stay with me through the break and I'll give you the details.

Stare right there. So I'm assuming a bunch of you fair number you probably know an actress by the name of Catherine Deneuve who was really the most famous French actress of her generation, but was what was globally known very very famous French actress um and she has signed a letter with over a hundred other French women in entertainment and it's a public letter that is just straight up denouncing the French counterpart because now this is this

is become a global phenomenon, at least in the West, this whole me too movement, the French counterpart movement is called bellancetam Expose your pig, which is just a public shaming of any guy who in the entertainment industry particularly has acted in an untoward fashioned when it comes to women. That's the idea. But the the hun women writing this letter wrote the following. Rape is a crime, but insistent or clumsy flirting is not a crime. Nor is gallantry

a chauvinist aggression. As a result of the Weinstein affair, there has has been a legitimate realization of the sexual violence women experience, particularly in the workplace, where some abuse, some men abuse their power. It was necessary, but now this liberation of speech has been turned on its head. Uh, these women are saying, look, this is this can't be the the new normal. Can't just be And I don't

know again, I mentioned the Franco case. I don't know the details of whether that looks particularly bad form or not. But the new normal is that if your name turns up on some list, and there have been lists circulated, and or if your name comes out in the press as a sexual harasser, you know, the pressure is so strong to push you out right away, and I should not.

This also is gonna have ramifications when it comes to main street businesses too, not just you know, not just stuff out in Hollywood and in politics and the media, news media. But it's gonna be the case. Now, it's gonna be corporate culture. You know, nobody's gonna want to have the No one's gonna want the bad press for we didn't take care of that harass er right away. And I'm not saying that anybody should be standing up

for guys who are doing bad stuff. I'm just saying that we should always look at every individual should have the right to prove his innocence right. Every individual should have a right to at least some semblance of of due process, including with their public image and their their reputation. I mean, your reputation is everything now, is you know, in business and and in corporate America and just any professional capacity. Your reputations everything because the Internet, no, all

of our reputations follow us everywhere. So this letter from these hundred French women has the following quote. This expedited justice already has its victims, men prevented from practicing their professions as punishment, forced to resign, while the only thing they did wrong was touching a knee, trying to steal a kiss, or speaking about intimate things at a work dinner, or sending messages with sexual connotations to a woman whose

feelings were not mutual. End quote. So you know, I've been warning about this for a while because it's obvious this was going to happen, but it's true. I mean, somebody else needs to stand up and say, you know, if somebody leans in for a kiss and you know it's unrequited or you know it's not the responses hey, no that I don't think of you that way, or we work together, we shouldn't. The guy backs off and it's like, I'm sorry, I miss let us to the situation and then continues to be a you know, a

respectful human being and a professional. Doesn't make him a bad guy. Actually just makes him a guy. That's the truth. That's that's gonna I mean, I'm assuming the guy is not married and the woman is not married, but you know, just makes him a guy. And that's been kind of lost in all this. You know, this is people are saying some some pretty uh this concerting stuff about oh, you know, somebody made a comment you know, a long time ago. Look, you know this woman who wrote this

whole piece about Matt Lower. Yeah, Matt Lower is married and he's gross and he is a pig, and he should have been tossed a long time ago. But you know, she chose to have an affair with this guy. And there was never or any like you better or else. It was just you know, he caught her eye, she caught his eye, and then then off into the break room. They went, I mean, it's bad behavior, to be sure, but that's not in the same category like the Weinstein stuff.

And that woman is not some martyr for the call I ain't. I don't know this is this has gotten out of control. These the French women see it that way. That sign this letter at least, so there's that. We'll talk about the Obama Presidential Library, all the first drawings of it today. We can discuss that it's a library apparently that's not gonna have any books. I mean that, that's what they're saying. We'll be back, okay, winfree for president.

Your thoughts? You know? It wasn't that a fabulous speech? And hearing Oprah's voice and her energy and her passion and her determination, it's inspiring. Is the country hungry for another mega celebrity billionaire? I don't know, Hey, Elizabeth Warren, not sure if Oprah's Oprah's the next president of the United States or not. I don't know why. I just want to play this because I want to make fun of Lizabeth Warren mostly, and also Ocean Camarontum. Hello. But

then you had Elizabeth Warren there too. That just amation Oh gosh, it was so good. She's about as charming as Hillary. That Elizabeth Warren about his charming Hillary, which is is saying quite something, isn't it. I like the Trump said that he would beat Opra, but then he's like, I like Oprah, Opra is cool. So you know, it's Rob's Trump's a good guy. Everyone needs to calm down, you know, I'm not the coast. Have a few laughs. It's not that bad, and you're gonna hang out with Trump.

It's good everyone, you know, I know, you know, But people don't listen to the show. We need more Democrats listen to the show. We can convert them here. This is like a Democrat conversion tank. You know. We can convert democrats here to to being not even Republicans, just being sane people who understand politics in the world around them better. Maybe that should be something we take on here, a special project, the Freedom Hunt Conversion Project. We we

convert Democrats to a conservatives or Republicans. I don't I hope we've kind of moved past that for a while, and it was so much more fashionable to say conservative than Republican. I'm like, yeah, I know, conservatism is the ideology Republican is the party. But yeah, come on, right, parsing a little bit reminds people who are like, well's it's not a democracy, it's a republic. Yeah, but when we say you know, our democracy, we mean that in kind of a general way. Right, people are about to

eat on me. No, we don't. I know, I know, same thing, all right, So I toltdally. I was gonna talk about something else, and then I just wanted to play the word. Oh yeah, the Obama Presidential Library. How could I forget? Uh. The latest of that is that there's a a schematic a drawing that's out the show. It's this very large. It looks like, h it really looks like a monument more than a library. Um, maybe that's intentional, but here's what the Fox is reporting on this.

The Obama Foundation is taking an unconventional approach to the Presidential Center and library being planned in Chicago. It's opting to host a digital archive of President Barack Obama's records, but not keep his hard copy manuscripts and letters and other documents on site. That means no thumbing through the ex president's correspondence on the health care fight or first drafts of a state of the Union address end quote. Okay,

so maybe I'm missing something here. But if you're gonna have just a digital storage facility of Obama's presidential documents, I think that's called the computer. What am I missing? You don't need enormous building if you're not actually gonna keep stuff in it. Ah, but sure enough, I'm sure there will be, uh, there will be some stuff in

the Obama Presidential Library. It just kind of it seems kind of fitting in a weird way to other than it that the Obama administration's uh building dedicated towards books and and study and transparency is actually gonna be a digital archive, and that means they're gonna use it for other stuff. It's it's not going to be a library per se. It's gonna be a huge building built to the greatness of Obama and his administration without books in it. It's gonna be a lot of I don't I don't know.

I don't know what they're gonna keep there. I mean, look, we all know this, right data storage on in the in the digital era. You know, you could fit all the all the Obama documents on one computer pretty easily, probably on a thumb drive. I don't know how good the thumb drive is anyway, This is just kind of

a random thing they've got going on there. Now we've also got we got this video from I think I have time to do this too before you close up shop and the Freedom Hut come up here Shore like this video changing gears here from Campus Reform And is this an Ammi horro Is this zombies? Ammy Horowitzer? No, No different, different video. Sorry, Ammy high five. We'll get your stuff on later on in the week. I'm me send me an email today. I'm getting confused. I like

Ammy Ammi's got he's got Gusto. But we got this video from Campus Reform also a great group asking Antifa Antifa. We need to get that drop. We need to have that ready to go. Whatever we can trump with Antifa, I'll pull that Antifa. But you've got a bunch of people being asked by Campus Reform who are they're so called anti fascists on campus? What is fascism? A great question to ask anti fascists. Here's what they said, How would you define what fascism is? I don't know. Fascists,

I don't know. It's not an easy thing to define. How would you define fascism. Um, I don't really want to get into all that. I mean, you can't define it though, I don't want to talk about it right now. Fascism is increasingly upward. Um hier anarchical model that preface that puts white people and European people at the top. I would I would like to take their platform away.

It sounds kind of fascist. I'm not the government. Yeah, I'm not sure if you really can call any of that a definition or even a vague understanding of what what we would say. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think if any idea what fascism is. I think antifa is supposed to be cool, and because antifa is supposed to be cool, they want to be a part of it. And they know that antifa is anti Trump. You know Trump is a fascist in what way exactly? Well,

they can't. How can they know because they don't know what fascism is. I thought that was funny too. It's it putting European people at the top. It's like, well, so fascism in Italy, yeah, I mean it was about you know, ultra nationalism for Italians, but you know, it was a political system inside of Europe. I mean that they have no idea what they're talking about, none whatsoever, which is not surprising. But you'd think they might teach, they might teach the kids on a college campus something

about fascism. I mean, I would tell you that in my day as a policy major, and I trash policize a major on a preregular basis, just because I like to. If you had asked me about, you know, what's a what's the working definition of communism? What's a working definition of fascism? If it wasn't picture perfect, it would have been good enough, you know, it would would have gotten close. But these days, just to be a part of the movement, just to see these people dressing in all black and

opposing Trump, that's what it's really about. And I even I even download I read that book, The Anti Fascist Handbook, which is pretty long, i gotta say, and and pretty delusional in some of its stances. But it does go into the history of anti fascism, which was kind of interesting. So there's even a book written by a leftist for these leftists. They can download it on kindle it man. It might maybe even get a student discount. No idea whatsoever.

It's just all about what's politically fashionable, my friends. That's that's what drives so much of this. Um, I'm gonna go roll into a quick break here. When I come back, we're gonna close up the Freedom Hut. Maybe talk a little about the Shields High podcast, which is amazing. Please check that out when you get a chance. On iTunes or on the I Heart app iTunes, you can subscribe Shields High. Just type it in and share with a friend. We'll be right back. And I was just telling the

team here before that. You know you're you're getting up there. I'm I'm thirty six now, and this morning I thought I had it all figured out. You know, I had a very busy but productive day planned. We'll woke up feeling good, ready to go. I was in Baltimore yesterday.

I got in late last night, and sure enough, I reach up because I did a hit on Fox News this morning to talk some of you may have seen it, to talk about the encryption debate, and I managed I feel like I think I heard something like a pop, but that just might be my my mind playing tricks on me. But I reached up and something along the side of my neck. It felt like someone stabbed me with a knife. And then I started thinking about all these things that I'm told, like, you need to do

more yoga, you need to stretch. You know, You're can't just go out there weekend warrior doing your lifting the weights and stuff and not do some stretching. And it's true, I don't stretch enough yoga. I always feel like I'm about to have a heart attacked everything. So that's probably not a I'm not sure that's the thing that I should really push too much, because it's just for me. For whatever reason, being still and quiet makes me feel

more anxious. Maybe one of the reasons I love radio so much is that it's constant thought and action, and that you're talking and thinking and talking into thinking and it goes on for a while, unlike TV, which is like you're on talk for thirty seconds, you're done. It's a very different, very different approach. But yeah, I pulled something nasty in my neck, which is great because when I get home later, I'll just be like ms Molly,

can I have a neck rob please? It should be like I I worked hard all day too, buddy, go you can go rub your own neck. So what was I gonna on the I didn't really get into this because it doesn't seem to be catching a lot of the attention in the headlines today. But on that dispute between law enforcement and the tech companies that I talked

about on Fox Today this morning on America's Newsroom. Sanda Smith and Bill Hammer are two of the two of the greats, really great people in the news media business, by the way. But the debate's really interesting. It's one of the few places I find myself really going back and forth between, well, which side of this is, which side has the stronger argument? So here's the the summary version of it, and it's and this hopefully this isn't the leave talking because I took some of that earlier today.

I know I'm winding a lot, I'm wanting a lot, But this is what happens. You come, you hang out with me and not and I'm gonna wind to all of you. Uh. The the the people who are worried about encryption on devices, right, they refer to this as the going dark quote going dark phenomenon and law enforcement FBI, current FBI Director Ray and and previous f FBI director Comey Boo. Uh. They say that they've had a few thousand.

I forget the exact number, it's under ten thousand, but it's in the thousands of instances where law enforcement wanted access to a device of some kind that they just couldn't break the encryption on, and it brought there, it brought their um investigation to us and still, if not

maybe to a total halt. So they're saying, look, we need a way that we can get into not just the device now, but also end to end encryption, because it's become very easy to download and get an app that encrypts your information, you send it to somebody else,

it's encrypted on their device too. So I believe, and I'm not a I'm not a tech expert by any means, but I believe that that means that the the usual weak point of communication that law enforcement had an easy time exploiting for investigation purposes is that when you send something it can you know, they know where, they know where it went through, they know what time, they know what It was very very easy, right, But if it's encrypted and they can't break that encryption, now you got

a real problem because it's not just oh, I can't get into someone's device to see their photos or see what they've stored on their device. It's people can now communicate without law enforcement necessarily be being able to get into Now big question then the question that I have, and I'm not sure we could ever really get answers

to this. When they say that it brings them to a halter a standstill, do they mean they can't get in at all, the FBI can't get in at all, to the encryption or uh, you know, the device, or that it's hard, that it's annoying. I think that's a very important distinguishing characteristic. Uh, that's not something I'm sure the FBI is gonna tell us one way or the other.

You remember in the San Bernardino case, from that horrible jeehottest terror attack in California, a whole bunch of people shot and killed at a holiday party by two jee hottest in this country. Uh, they couldn't get into the device, but then eventually, and they wanted to make Apple do it,

then they found a way in any way. So that's that's an example I think of what we're gonna see here, which is that if they really want to get in, I believe law enforcement, the federal government's gonna find a way to get in, but they want to be able

to get in easily. The other side of this, though, so that that's the going dark phenomenon, is that you're gonna have you know, child sex traffickers, terrorists, I mean, the worst of the worst of the worst being able to hide their information and hide their communications from law enforcement in a way that will make all of us. Let's say that's the case for the that's why going

darkness is such a problem. The other side, you have the backdoor phenomenon, which is what Apple and uh Facebook and Amazon, all these all the different mega as well as some more boutique ones that specialize in encryption and

in the creation of encryption apps and everything else. They're saying, Okay, so what you're what you're telling us federal government, is that our entire business model is premised along the lines of creating safe and secure information storage and transfer, and you want us to put purposefully put holes back doors into that technology. And they're like, look, there's no way that we can put because what they always say is it's not like uh Facebook or in the better cases

Apple r because they're encryption is really really excellent. It's not like Apple saying, Oh, we could get into that guy's phone, but we won't. FBI sorry, Apple saying we can't do it because we build it so that we can't do it. It's almost like this is a locksmith, and the locksmith is saying, yeah, I don't keep keys. I make a key for somebody and to give them the key. I don't keep a set of their keys

in case somebody else wants to get into their apartment. Later, the FBI is like, oh, no, locksmith, you have to make a master key for everything that we can get whenever we want. You know. I think when you put it in those terms that an analogy is pretty apt here. And not only is that creating a back door that the FBI or the federal government can use whenever it wants, you know. And there's a lot we start to seeing this, see this with a counterintelligence investigation with Trump and the

Russia all that stuff. There's a lot of ways that your Fourth Amendment rights can be abused, and the federal government has not been good about this really in the post nine eleven Patriot Act era. There there's been some abuse, there's been some problems, but even beyond that, it's like creating a weak spot and security system that can be

exploited by anybody else. So not only is the FBI telling Apple, oh, we need you to be able to get into this when we tell you with a court order two, but it means that somebody else, some third party I don't know, Russian or North Korean hackers, they can look for that weakness and exploit it and they can get into your stuff and erase all your data or steal all your funds. Because the FBI wants a you know, wants an easier time getting into a few thousands,

you know, a few thousand phones over there. It's a this is a tough call. I really I view it as a as a tough call. I don't see an easy answer here. So that's uh. That was from this morning on Fox. In case you missed it, I should have probably gotten a copy of the clip to put up on Facebook. By the way, the Shields High podcast

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