Liz Wheeler: Anyone Calling J6 an Insurrection is Lying

having me. I appreciate it. Jay six, Let's start with that, because, as you and I both saw, there's this footage that Tucker and his team over Fox are releasing in pieces. For me, my top line on this was I thought. I mean, I wrote an op ed a couple of what was it now a couple of years ago saying that anyone who says January six was an insurrection is an idiot. And that's coming from somebody who kind of studied insurrections and coups in the intelligence world, so I

have some sense of what an insurrection looks like. That was the actual title. Anyone who calls it an insurrection as an idiot, and people are like, yeah, that's right. So it didn't There was nothing that changed my mind about it. I just felt like we're seeing even more that they called this an attempt to overthrow the United States government, and there's all these people who are just walking around like calmly, chatting with cops and being friendly

and respectful. Apart from the vandals and the people, there were some people who were doing the bad stuff. But this is not how a coup happens. No, I mean, I would take it even one step further. Now, maybe the second installment of your op ed says that anybody who anybody who perpetuated the myth, the falsehood that this was an insurrection, should should be banished from at least public commentary, because it's not just idiotic. You're not just

stupid if you fell for this. This was an outright line. I mean, this was information warfare that bureaucrats and elected officials in the United States government, people who are supposed to represent us, waged against us. They told us deliberate lies, knowing information that contradicted their lies, but knowing that we didn't have the information to directly contradict I mean, the Brian Sicknick video that Tucker played is probably the best

example of this. The whole narrative that this was a deadly insurrection, that people died, that these Trump supporters murdered police officers was false, and they knew it was false. They knew that the man Brian Sickness, this police officer who died a couple of days later of natural causes, was not murdered by Trump supporters who broke into the Capitol.

They had accessed that tape. That was the jaw dropping moment for me, Buck when I was watching this Tucker investigation, is they can see on the Capital computers who else has viewed particular moments on this tape? And other people had already viewed this meeting. The January sixth Committee knew they were lying and lied anyway because you and I didn't have this video footage to disprove them. And there's also this part of me that as this all comes out,

they lied and were completely unrepentant about it. With the Russia collusion stuff too. I mean, at this point you have to wonder, why would anyone believe any major allegation of Democrats like Saint Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff and Schumer and all the rest. They still go about their days acting like they didn't fabricate that. Really, what was a crazy story? I mean, it wasn't just false, which it obviously was about Tromp working with the Kremlin and

stealing the election and all this stuff. In twenty sixteen, it was an insane story. It didn't make any sense from the beginning. And yet now we see those people have created a narrative of oh, well, you guys tried

to overthrow the government. No honest person can look at those videos and think this was an attempt to overthrow the United States government, Like that's just that's a crazy thing to say, Well, it's it's of course cars And it's like the psychological experiment, the thought experiment of people who lie. Do they know that they're lying after they've told the lie the first, the second, and the third time, or do they actually start believing their lie and thus

just become peddlers of delusion. I have no idea When it comes to Adam Schiff, he seems both dishonest and dogmatic. Maybe he believes the lies that he has invented, just like maybe Liz Cheney believes the lies that she's invented. When it comes to the January sixth committee and the narrative that they tried to paint in prime time produced by a former what was it, an NBC producer telling the American people that this was an attempt to overthrow

the government. It clearly was not. These people were looking for a constitutional remedy. But that's the part that always gets me about this when the left says, oh, Trump was talking to his lawyers, was reading briefs from different people, trying to figure out if there was a way that he could stop the certification of the Electoral College. You can argue that there was something he could do, or you can argue in good faith that there wasn't anything

that he can do. But the fact of the matter is is he was trying to wiggle around within the bounds of the constitution to find a way to delay the certification until he could investigate what more thoroughly what happened in the twenty twenty election. And it's funny to me, it's the same thing with January sixth. It's funny to me when these people say, oh, they were trying to

violently overthrow the government. No, they weren't. They were trying to work within the bounds, except for, you know, the few hooligans that committed vandalism, and that was wrong. Most people were peacefully protesting, exercising their rights peaceable assembly in order to redress grievances with the federal government, which is

codified into our founding documents. I don't ever like to engage in exaggeration, because when I say something that's really forceful, I want everyone who hears it, who listens to me, to know that I really mean it, right, And I try to keep that in mind doing radio or you know, even doing a podcast like I am now. But to me, certainly, for any of the January six defendants who did not engage in violence against the cops, and let's be clear,

the violence was not it was not lethal violence. They did not beat sick Nick to death with a fire extinguisher, which was reported at nauseum in the very beginning of this. It was constantly, oh they beat sixty three death, which was a horrible thing. And I remember when I heard that report, thought, oh my gosh, what what are these guys doing. Of course, total lie, as we find out, but on any of the non violent January sixth defendants.

To me, they're political prisoners. I mean, when you hold somebody for months at a time in solitary confinement, in special administrative segregation or whatever they're calling in in the DC gulog that they're operating and they haven't actually hurt anyone, you have to wonder, what can we call this other than political prisoners. I mean, I think that is the

accurate term. It certainly is the accurate term. One of the things that I was thinking when Tucker was airing the part about the qan on shaman Jacob Chanzley, who became kind of the face of the whole thing, at least in the mainstream media's narrative that they were perpetuating, is when they were when they were show this video of him just like basically powling around with these Campital police officers. They were trying to open doors for him,

they were walking next to him. They weren't doing anything. They even try to verbally tell him, hey, hey, dude, you can't be in here, let alone restraining him or being more forceful. They were very casual. Their demeanor was very unthreatened. I thought to myself, was this video footage used during his trial, because he's in prison right now. He was sentenced to four years in prison. He has currently incarcerated, and this is, in my opinion, exculpatory evidence

to the extreme. I'm not sure how he could have been convicted given this evidence, especially when he said he said, listen, I didn't realize that I wasn't supposed to be in there because police officers were opening doors for me. How can you sendence a man to four years in prison, make him the face of this so called deadly insurrection that wasn't deadly and wasn't an insurrection when this video footage exists. Yeah, there are people, you know MSNBC host

or analysts or I guess analysts, you know commentators. Steve Schmidt, as you may recall, all said we should shoot people like like Chansley, and I mean, not only is that horrific, but but also when you think about how at Ashley Babbitt was shot, I mean that woman was murdered, and they made it. They made it go away effectively from illegal from the legal side of things, the system made

it go away. Because if people realize that they just that someone opened fire on these protesters, you would say, really, this is the protest that they opened fire on, they just start shooting people. Yeah, I find it really strange that one of the only places on the Capitol that doesn't have multiple angles of camera surveillance as outside the

Speakers Lounge. That seems really shady to me. And I don't know if this is just another level of security that we're not supposed to know about, that it's a different camera system, or why would there be a blind spot outside of the speakers Longe. That's where the shooting of Ashley Babbitt happened, and that's why we didn't have video footage. Why Tucker couldn't air any footage of it because he doesn't have it, because that's a blind spot in the Capitol And that's seems really suspect to me.

Everything else that we've seen makes me one hundred percent sure that the narrative coming from the mainstream media in the January sixth Committee about what happened to her, that she was threatening someone's life and that the police officer essentially acted justly in his use of lethal force, makes me sure that that's incorrect. But how are we ever supposed to prove this if there's a blind spot in front of the speaker's lounge. Is that? Am I wrong? Here?

Is that strange? It's only strange if you think that the two cameras outside of Epstein cell malfunctioning when he was supposed to be under twenty four seven surveillance and captain you know that they just had and the guards were asleep, and the cameras malfunctioned, you know, and the first person to ever commit suicide in the Manhattan Correction of Federal Correctional facility just happened to be a guy

with a rolodex full of names of people. Yeah, I don't know if you think one is strange, Liz, I think you can think. I think the other one looks a little strange too. I do think that that's a fair thing to point out. Want to ask you about a story that you've been shedding at a lot of light on out of Ohio and elementary school and students there who well we'll get to this, as a students who who were made to pledge allegiance to Black Lives matter.

Why don't you tell everybody about that story? So, ladies, tell everybody about this story. Out of the elementary school in Ohio. Tell everybody what happened. Yeah, so this happened about an hour and a half north of where I grew up. I grew up in the suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio, and at an elementary school in Springfield, Ohio. This elementary school is called Kenwood Elementary School. People in Ohio are

probably gonna be familiar with this. There was video footage that was requested based on based on anecdotal reporting, video footage that was requested by the local affiliate that showed several black students at this school. Keep in mind the background of the story is it is an elementary school, meaning this is not seventeen and eighteen year old thugs who are still in high school. These are small children.

Several black students at this elementary school were caught on camera taking white students on the playground outside, physically assaulting them, throwing them to the ground and punching them in the head, making them kneel, and then pledge allegiance to black lives matter, saying those words black lives matter. The videos of this are obviously horrible. There is not audio, but you can plainly see what's going on here. Thankfully, police are pressing

charges here. And when I saw this, I thought, probably the same as everyone else thought. I thought, well, this is truly horrendous. It's so despicable to think of this happening to children. But my first thought was, it's shocking to me that this kind of violence happens in an elementary school. It seems to me that you know, I'm not to date myself, not to sound too old here, but it seems to me that when we would hurt hear stories back from my day about violence in school,

it usually was in schools in the inner city. It was usually in lower income areas where there was a higher crime rate, and it was usually sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old men who were committing the violence in this school. And I thought, why is this happening out of an

elementary school? So I ponder this. I watch this video about one hundred times, and I think to myself, you know what the conservative movement, including myself may a culpa here, has missed, as we've missed the manifestation of critical race theory when it comes to black students. Right, So we constantly talk about critical race theory in our schools and country.

How it's this poisonous ideology that tells white children that they're inherently racist based on the color of their skin, not based on their thoughts or their actions, but just based on the fact that they're whites, and therefore they're enjoying privileges that have been built on the shoulders of white supremacy before them. This ridiculous notion. And we tell black children through critical race theory that they are fundamentally oppressed and victimized, but buck so often we focus on

the false accusation that's levied against the white children. That they're told that they're racist, they're told they're evil, they're told they're irredeemable, there's nothing they can do about this. But we forget the impact that this has on black children.

That black children are being told through schools by teachers as if it's truth, that they're less, they're being told that they're victims, they're being told that they're they're being demeaned on this cultural level based on the color of their skin. And this is the outgrowth of that. The outgrowth of that is a almost racial revolution where black children assault white children in the name of Black Lives Matter, which, as we know, is an organization built on critical race theory.

If we as conservatives don't recognize this, we're going to start seeing this pop up not just in schools but in our culture all across the country. What do you think can be done in response to this? I mean, is this an all of the above effort from parents, to teachers, to administrators rethinking the obviously getting rid of CRT in schools, But you know, how do we address this? I just feel like for so many parents out there, I mean, I'm not a parent yet, but there's this

sense of Okay, so these things are happening. Kids are being told this. White kids are being told this. Black kids are being told this. You know, they're different, different narratives about how they're supposed to think about each other and about race relations in America. And it's poisonous stuff. So how do we change that? Like? What is what is changing that actually look like? Well, I think there's a cultural change and then there's political change, right, cultural changes.

If you possibly can homeschool your kids, get them out of these institutions, don't let them on TikTok, don't send them to public school where this is firmly embedded into If not the curriculum. Then the counselors and the administrators in the idea of right and wrong injustice, don't send your kid. It's it's too toxic. It's it's not possible for them to go to public school right now and escape this kind of this kind of poison. So homeschool them, pull them out of school, and they will be much

better for it. That's sort of the cultural side of things. The political side is we should ban this. I mean, this is racial superiority and racial inferiority ideology. This is something states can ban from public schools. This isn't even controversial to think that it can be banned because critical race there is not being taught as some abstract idea in public schools. Teachers aren't saying, Okay, this is critical race theory, and critical theory teaches A, B and C.

They're teaching it as if it's true. They're teaching it the same that they would teach one plus one equals two. And they don't have any kind of right, any kind of any kind of protected privilege that allows them to

teach falsehood as truth. We should absolutely ban this. Have you noticed the trend where we keep at different at different moments when we find what the teaching the teaching curriculum may be at a certain school with regard to CRT or you know, diversity, equity and inclusion stuff in the workplace, we find these manuals, we find these these lectures, and so often we hear from the left is, well, that's not really happening, or this isn't really a thing,

And then it reaches this critical mass where we've had enough of them over let's say like a three month period or a six week period, and they say, yeah, that's right, we're teaching this stuff because this is the truth. And it just feels like it goes through this cycle because they don't really want to defend it, but they

want to keep doing it. So when we find enough of where this indoctrination is happening, for a moment in time, they'll actually have to say, yeah, that's right, this is justice, this is truth, this is social justice. But then as time passes they go back to the what are you talking about, we're not really Basically, it's like a cycle of gaslighting that the left engages in. Yes, that's the exact phrase that I was going to use. It's a cycle of gaslighting. They go from gaslighting to digging their

heels in. But you can tell Buck that it's a farce because whenever there is a state that bands critical race theory from the school curriculum in public schools in the state, like Florida did, you'll hear the left simultaneously claim that they don't teach critical race theory in school, in which case it shouldn't be a problem if it's banned, right, And at the same time they'll say, but these bands mean we won't be able to teach the reality of

slavery in our nation. So they're contradicting themselves right there. They're hoping just to distract people and confuse people as

they continue to indoctrinate our children. Fortunately, I think the last two years with COVID, as brutal and as tyrannical and as damaging as they were, I mean, they really did open parents eyes to what's going on in the school system, and parents on the left and the right, it's not just a purely partisan divide, don't like what's been going on and are motivated to change it because they don't want their children turned into racists or having

their gender mutilated behind their back. Well, yeah, on that point. By the way, the other that same cycle I see happening a little bit of a variation on it with the transgender agenda for kids stuff or adolescence, where there's this, You know, why are you so focused on it? Why do you care so much? This isn't happening that much. You're exaggerating, it's not happening everywhere. Why are you saying it?

And they act like we're the ones who are obsessed with it, when meanwhile they're doing it all over the place. I mean they actually this is happening in states all across the country and institutions all over. They're pushing this in different hospital systems, they're pushing this in different school systems. And of course there's the hairy middle aged men dressing up like women and putting fishnets and thongs on and

are shaking their behinds in front of small children. And somehow we're supposed to be okay with this, which of course is completely insane, and we're not okay with this. But they do the same thing. They push and when we notice what they're pushing, it's why are you Why are you so obsessed with it? Why do you notice that? Yeah? Well, let's be very clear about one thing. The left with their LGBTQ plus agenda, never wanted a quality. They never

wanted tolerance. They never wanted to simply be included in polite society and otherwise mind their own business. That was always just a camouflage to trick well meaning but naive conservatives and to shrugging their shoulders and being like, okay, sure will allow gay marriage. But that was never the true intention of the lobby. The true intention of the lobby. I mean, it's an ideology, right, It's not just a

sexual orientation, as they would have you believe. The LGBTQ plus lobby is an ideology that wants to force you and I not just to tolerate it, not just to celebrate equality under the law, but to celebrate the ideology. And the ideology is queer theory. It's no coincidence that critical race theory and the transgender stuff surfaced at just about the same time. The racial superiority or inferiority stuff

that's taught to kids in school. The foundation, the underpinning of that, the ideological underpinning is critical race theory, just like the transgender stuff that's taught in school. The ideological underpinning of that is queer theory. It's intentional because critical race theory first comes in and destroys the sort of inherent identity of a child, saying, hey, you should hate your parents, you should hate your grandparents. Everything of who you are based on the color of your skin is

wrong and evil and you can't redeem yourself. And so it creates this idea entity crisis quite literally in children, and then in swoops queer theory saying, actually, your identity doesn't have to be tied to an immutable characteristic. You can redeem yourself if you separate your identity from your essence. If you choose a neo Marxist transgender ideology, then you become a victim instead of being the oppressor in this

whole system. So it's so messed up. But it's not a coincidence that they surface at the same time, because one without the other wouldn't truly both destroy children and simultaneously transform them into Marxist revolutionaries. So you are a woman, I am not. What do you think when somebody who is as not a woman as I am, decides, maybe a couple of months ago, that he is in fact, now is she and a woman and wants to lecture

the world. I mean, I'm not even talking about people who just do this privately but want to go out on TikTok and interviews, say the President of the United States and explain their their womanhood. Two people like you who are an actual woman. What's that like? Yeah, it's insulting, it's demeaning. You're talking about Dylan mulvaney, the TikTok star.

What does he have? Like? Ten million? Ten million followers on TikTok went so viral with his Days of Girlhood series that President Biden invited him to the White House, and Dylan Mulvaney got President Biden to say that he doesn't think that that states should have the right or parents should have the right to decline bodily mutilation surgery in the name of gender ideology and identity. It's truly awful. It really does a race. It really does a race women.

There's sort of a funny thing going around on Twitter in since International Women's Month started in March whenever that is supposed to be, and the spokespeople for a couple of these organizations are actually transgender, meaning born male now dressed as women in call themselves by women's names, but still a man, of course. And it's funny because International Women's Month has become Women Plus month, like LGBTQ added a plus for all the other all the other identities

and ideologies. The idea of being a woman has become women plus. So my friend James Lindsay likes to say, the future is not female. The future is female plus, where biological men who dress as women have taken over taken over the roles in the achievements and the spaces of actual, actual women. It's funny that the Left, who

claims to be a champion of women, latches onto this. Yeah, I just I know that if I were to say, want to give a public lecture, if I said I self identify as a as a Hispanic American, I mean I am not, and I do not. But if I were to say that and say on a day, you know, and Sanco de Mayo is not really that big of

a day for the Latino community in this country. But if I were to pick a day and say, well, let's say it's Latino Appreciation Month, we'll just which might even be a thing I didn't even know and I went around saying, speaking as a Latino. Here's what I think people would rightly both be. They would think it was bizarre and they would be like offended. That's just

really weird, right Why? But in this case, it's supposed to be wonderful that somebody who's been a woman for never mind that they're not actually that Dylan mulvanny is not actually a woman, been a woman for a couple of months. Like maybe maybe learn you know, a woman in quotes, maybe learn a few things before you're going around telling everybody about womanhood. But even you know, that's

obviously piling crazy at top crazy. The stereotypes that Dylan mulvaney traffics in are actually really insulting, Like that you prance around in a sports braw on high heels in the middle of a field, doing your blush in a high falsetto voice, and that you cried sending an email. All of these different things are actually like sexist, negative stereotypes that that have been trotted out against women, and yet he's embracing them, pretending that that's what makes him

a woman. Listen, I'm actually not trying to personally nye Dyan Mulvanny. I feel very sorry for him. I think that criticism against him is certainly warranted and even harsh criticism, because he's merged his personal psychiatric disorder, his personal mental health struggle, with political activism, and therefore political activism is always one percent okay to criticize, but on a personal level,

like these people need help. These people are suffering from serious mental disorders, and we as a society are harming them further by indulging them. Yeah, well, at some point you either speak the truth about who Dylan mulvany is and to the mental health issues that are clearly on display, or you have very little argument to deploy in defense of why a fourteen year old shouldn't get puberty blockers. That this is where we actually have to understand that

the battle goes next. It's not just like, oh, this is somebody who's an adult and it's fine and they're doing their thing. No, the same ideology and the same agenda is used to convince, as you know now that the thing that I want to talk about the medical community, scientific community, world health organization. A second, it's just before we get to the WHO pandemic treaty, which I know you've been diving deep into the fact that you have

doctors going along with the assigned at birth gender thing. Right, Like the most basic thing in the world when a baby is born is you know, the doctor holds the baby up or whatever it, looks at the parts and says it's you know, it's these parts or it's those parts, assigned gender at birth. And they have they have people with mds now that go along with this stuff, and

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a recipe for disaster. So negotiators from the Biden administration last week traveled to Switzerland to negotiate what is called the zero Draft of a Pandemic Accord. That's what the word health organizations calling it, because they're trying to avoid using the word treaty because if it were a legitimate treaty. It would need to be ratified by the US Senate. There's nothing the Biden administration wants less than to put this in front of a vote in the United States Senate.

So the World Health Organization is calling it a Pandemic Accord. The Biden administration sent negotiators to Switzerland and along with other member states of the World Health Organization, they approved this zero draft. It's the rough draft of this Pandemic Accord. What this Pandemic Accord does is it centralizes a response to future pandemics and before a pandemic even happens. It gives the World Health Organization the unilateral power to declare

a global pandemic emergency. So, say we have another virus that leaks from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Say we have another virus that was funded by FAUCI. Say we have another virus that was tinkered with with gain a function experiment or directed evolution experiments, if you want to use the words of Fiser, and that it becomes unleashed on the world somehow World Health Organization and not the US government, the World Health Organization and not the CDC,

The World Health Organization and not. State governors would have the power to declare over the United States a pandemic emergency. Once they have done that, once they have declared unilaterally this emergency in our sovereign territory, then they get to decide the political response, not just the medical response that too, but the political response. They get control over lockdowns, over

force masking, potentially over vaccine mandates. They get the first an authoritative stance on what kind of therapeutics are used, what kind of supplements are recommended, whether a vaccine is developed in order to combat this particular virus that the World Health Organization has declared constitutes a global pandemic emergency. This Pandemic Accord, which is not a legitimate treaty because Biden refuses to have the Senate ratify it, we actually

takes control of our country in this event. It it usurps our sovereignty, our representative republic, and gives it to a World Health organization that right now is controlled by a man named doctor Teddros who himself is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. Buck. There has rarely been anything that the Biden administration has done, and they've done a lot of bad things. That's as dangerous as this. Do you think that the Fauci's ted drows go down the list?

Rachelle Wilenski board members of FISER, Right. I mean, throw anybody you want in the mix here that was involved at a high level with the COVID policies and response that were really it was really globalized as we know, right, There's a reason why you had similar things going on here and in Australia and in Europe and in South America, and you go all over the place. Do you think they think they did a good job or do you think they don't care because they should be in charge

no matter what, so results don't matter. I don't think they were measuring on the same standards that we are. They weren't looking for a balance between protecting public health and using government resources to respond to an emergency and balancing that or marrying that with civil rights of Americans and the limited power of our government as codified in our constitution and in state constitutions. They're not judging themselves by the same standard. They're technocrats. They think that our

representative Republic is bad. They don't like our form of government. They think that we should be ruled by the fiat of the so called experts. I'm putting that in quotation marks. They think that they know better than we do. They think they should control our lives. I think they're delighted

with how the pandemic response went. They successfully coerced the federal government to issue vaccine mandates on a vaccine that they rushed through, that had no efficacy, that had a harmful side effect profile against a virus that wasn't equally harmful for every single person in our country. In fact, wasn't harmful to the vast majority of people, had a very high survival rate. Really just harmed vulnerable populations like

overweight people and extremely elderly people, are immunocompromise people. They're delighted that they were able to squash free speech and shutter people's businesses, take hold of the economy in the name of an emergency, that they instilled fear in us, and that in our fear we willingly surrendered our freedom,

our individual sovereignty, our state sovereignty. This is exactly what they've been trying to do, slowly, inch by inch, grain by grain for decades, and yet here we have this pandemic, This COVID nineteen virus unleashed around the world, and they were able to do it in a matter of months. That's how they are grading themselves. That's why they are unashamed of all of our concerns, like our businesses being closed down and our children being masked at school and

all of the rest of it. They're delighted because they finally got what they want, which is all the power. I want to ask Liz Wheeler about how Liz Wheeler got into this whole game of trying to save America and the Liz Wheeler Show and all the other things are up to. So I want to finish up with that in just a moment. But for all the Team Mobile subbers out there, they're investigating a data breaks that expose the sensitive personal information of thirty seven million customers.

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do you get? You know? A massive Twitter following digital show TV podcast following How did the Masses come to learn of Liz Wheeler? Tell me the story? Oh my goodness, Well, it seems like it's been a long time in the making, but I really wasn't that interested in politics until very late in high school. I started following the presidential primary in two thousand and seven, This is right before Barack Obama was elected, and I remember this, this newcomer Obama

to the national stage. Sure he was a senator, but he was a newbie. I remember watching him compared to Hillary Clinton. Everyone thought Hillary Clinton was the shoe in for the nominee, and she, of course was not. And the moment that he won that primary, the moment he became the nominee, I remember sitting there and thinking, Wow, all of the things that are important to me are at risk if this man becomes president. I'm going to

do what I can to fight for our country. And when I say that, it's it's a little bit ironic because when I said do what I can to fight for our country. In high school, I was diagnosed with a really serious autoimmune disorder, autoimmune disease. And the reason that I was able, the reason I'm able to do what I do today, is because of the free market economy. Because we had my family, my parents, specifically my mom and dad had the freedom to My dad operates a

small business. He was able to save and invest his money how he saw fit versus the government telling him what he needed or not. And when insurance companies didn't cover the treatments that I needed to manage my autoimmune disease, he was able to use his money in the free market to get me the alternative treatments that weren't offered by big pharma that enable me to live the life

that I live today. And I was sitting there watching this primary, watching them talk about socialized medicine, watching them talk about high taxes, watching them talk about Barack Obama and the Democrats about all of these big government policies, that I realized it was kind of like that aha moment for me that Wow, the Democrats aren't just immoral when it comes to abortion, They're not just immral when it comes to gay marriage. They actually threaten the life

that I have been able to enjoy. So from there, I just started reading everything I could get my hands on from the left and from the right, educating myself. I wrote a book in college with a group of young conservatives from around the country about why we are Young Conservatives. I served in local government in college as well. I was a commissioner on the Board of Zoning Appeals, which was just as just as funny and quirky as

it sounds. After college, I worked actually for a veteran advocacy company, not in politics at all, but I was always itching to get back in politics. Kind of wanted to be a speech writer, but came to the conclusion that if I wanted what I wrote to be read in the way that I wrote it, then I would need to be the one that presented it myself, because you know how speech writers they make these beautiful documents and then politicians rip them up and tear them up.

So I ended up getting into media. If anyone's listening in there a young young man or woman college age or maybe just in their twenties, and they were to ask you, how do I get into this game? Should I get into this game? What would you say? I would say, yes, if you have the fire in your belly to actually fight the fight, and if you are well equipped to do it. Don't get into this game for fame and fortune. Get into it because you want to be a public servant, because you know this book,

of course, but it's not always pretty. You know, you get threats against your family, your reputation gets unfairly smeared. It's a grind to work, to work in media and to work in politics, So all the fame and all the glory and all the money does not take that away. If you want to get into this business, especially media, first educate yourself. I'm not talking about going to college. I'm talking about study. Read everything every book that you

can get your hands on. Because what we don't need in the conservative movement tour in politics in general, it's just another person bloviating another another bit of hot air. We need people who not only understand what they stand for, but they understand why they believe what they believe, and are unflappable in their principles. If you feel like that is you to a t then please come and join us.

We can always use more young people in the conservative movement in media who are committed truly to what makes our nation great. But think very carefully about what you're getting yourself and your family into, because it's not always

a better roses. I usually ask, especially if it's people from former intelligence community and I was never in the military, about a fair number of people from the military side, because it's some similarities in the transition of being military going civilian to being a former CIA person and civilian, you know, just working for the federal government in that kind of realm and capacity. And I would just tell them, I'm like, do you have a wife, do you have

a mortgage? Do you have debts? Think about all those questions first before you start a media career, And then do you love this? Do you love the work meaning the research, the writing that do you of it so much that you're willing to do it a lot of the time for free? Do it a lot of the time for very few people watching or caring and being told the whole time while you're not making much money and not a lot of people are seeing you that you're probably not that good at this and maybe you

should do something else. And if the answer all those questions and it is I love it anyway, I don't care. Great, Come join the circus. That's what I usually tell people, because the first few years usually suck, not suck in terms of like it's not amazing and important and cool and great, you know, for the work. But I think people see, like in everything, people see the end product and they think, oh, that would be awesome. I like,

I want to have a show. And as you know, from having a show for years at One America and now a show on your own, it's like having a show. I think when I started radio, I'm not I'm not actually guessing. I had like, well, it was less than twenty people listening to my first radio show three hours. People look at that, you know what I mean. But it was like because and I knew that number, by the way, because it was streaming. It was digital so we can actually see it on a website. It was

in a terressa radio show. So that's what I always tell people. But I mean, I love it, and you love it too, and here we are, so you know there is I'm like, I agree with you the more than marrier as long as people know what the merriment actually looks like, especially in the early stages. Liz Wheeler, everybody check out her show. Where's the best place people to go to see the Liz Wheeler Show. You're gonna go to Liz wheelershow dot com. But it's everywhere you

find your podcast. You can go to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, Rumble, look me up Liz Wheeler Show. Subscribe. Let me know what you think. If you're If you're new, I can't wait to meet you. If you're If you're an old follower, then you know we've been We've been together for years. Let's keep up fighting the good fight. Liz, thanks so much for being here hanging out. Appreciate it. Thanks Buck, appreciate it.