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Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show NYC edition. We're joined by my friend Inez Felcher. Stepmansch is a fellow at the Independent Women's Forum, a writer, a scholar of many things, and currently on tiny adorable kitten babysitting duty. I am told so es, thanks for being with us.
It's great to be here, Buck, And yes, I am. It's not my usual setup because I have a tiny kitten behind me.
I have been I have been dealing with my two year old nephew, which you know, helping my sister to babysit a little bit. And I can tell you that the kitten sounds great right about now because the kittens, I'm sure, very very easy, very straightforward. All right, let's let's jump into this. It does the current situation. I saw you tweet on this where you have and this This isn't about oh I like this person or oh I like that person or this person she would It's
just an observation on the current political scene. You have the front runner for the Republicans indicted and facing almost certainly additional felony criminal indictments, and you have a Democrat who certainly it seems should be facing impeachment and also possibly criminal indictments.
What does this do to politics?
Yeah, so, of course that's in reference to the most recent whistleblower evidence from these IRS agents who have come out and sort of directly accused Biden of being Joe Biden, that is, of being involved in his son's corruption. They have that signal chat where he's talking about being right next to his dad and how his dad's influence is going to come down on this guy, this Chinese guy, like a ton of bricks, if you know, if he doesn't hand over the money, right, and this is sort
of being Joe Biden's bag man. All those accusations now out into the public. But I want to take a step back, and yes, even on the other side, we can talk about political persecution of course of Donald Trump. These these latest indictments, federal indictments are on procedure crimes, which is very similar to what happened to Mike Flynn. Right. They go after you politically and for political purposes, but in the course of the investigation. They can try to
get you for some of the procedure crimes. In Flynn's case it was lying to the FBI, and in Donald Trump's case it is not responding or not turning over documents and response to requests. Okay, these are procedure crimes. But at the bottom line, the political bottom line of this is you might have two major party candidates running against each other in twenty twenty four, where if one wins, the other gets indicted and vice versa. That's that's not
a good incentive for the peaceful transfer of power. That's exactly how you know authoritarian regimes start. It's why you know banana or publics are banana republics. They get caught in these cycles of persecution where it's either hang on to power or go to jail.
Yeah.
I think that part of this is that for a while there's been the standard that has been set is well, we're not gonna it's insuring because because I totally agree with the concept that this is problematic. You have the criminalization of politics at a very broad level happening here. And I know a lot of Donald Trump's critic would say, oh, but what about locker up Yeah, but he.
Didn't, right. Uh, he didn't do that when he came into power.
He didn't even appoint a special counsel to look into Hillary's Hillary's emails. Before that, though, you had the special counsel to try to arrest anybody in the Bush White House possible over the Valerie plane non crime. I mean, it actually was a non crime. I know a bit about this because I was in the CIA when the whole league happened.
It was an accident. They knew it was an accident right away.
Uh, And they decided to have a fit wishing expedition to go after again the Bush administration, to go after either the Vice President Cheney or Carl Rove, then the White House chief of staff, and then of course Bill Clinton lying under oath.
What do we do about the It can't continue.
To be This is the other argument you hear right, that if we don't enforce the law, because this time it would be too hard to enforce the law, we start to erase the law.
Right because what people.
Are saying right now is, well, you can't just keep pointing out that Hillary didn't get prosecuted, Bill didn't get prosecuted. I don't know, I guess they would say Republicans Trump didn'tet prosecuted last time as a defense against this going forward, do you see what I mean? Like, so, what do we do.
Well? Two things, One of course, is that the ostensible adults in the room once again are proving themselves, you know, less self restrained than Donald Trump, who, as you say, did not lock her up and in fact came out and made a statement to the country about how that
would be bad for the country. And so once again they're showing less self restraint a guy with a very twitchy Twitter finger, I guess truth finger these days, right, So it's kind of one of those backwards things where people are claiming to be the serious ones, the adult ones, the normal ones, in which they're actually breaking much more important norms than Donald Trump ever did. But in terms of this cycle, yeah, it's very very difficult to get
out of this cycle. So I'd say two things. One, that's why we don't break this president two hundred and fifty years and we haven't prosecuted a former president or current presidential candidate other than perhaps Eugene Debs, who was never like actually going to be president, right, he was like a two percent guy. That the reason that norm was so important is exactly to avoid this kind of cycle once you start it. Look, one of the many
reasons that Julius Caesar actually crossed the rubicon. I know it's a popular metaphor these days, but one of the many reasons Julius Caesar crossed the rubicon with his army is when he gave when he if he were to give up his position, right, his political position, when he was going to resign basically from his political position, he was open to prosecution, and he knew his enemies would
come in and prosecute him. Right. So this this is again how dictatorships get started, how peaceful transitions of power die. And as far as you know, no one's above the law, which people also keep repeating, you know, in terms of norms for a republic, I find it much less scary that, you know, all five or six of our living former you know, presidents get away with some tickie tac bs, right, Like they have a few documents they shouldn't have in some I don't know, for example, in their in their
their garages next to their corvettes. Right. I I far prefer that as a scenario than entering into this this cycle that brings down republics and and regimes. Right, So it's a matter of what's a more important norm, And for me, there's no contest. I'd rather not prosecute a handful of people for things that are anything less than shooting someone on Fifth Avenue than than enter into something that's so dangerous.
I think that's a critical point. I often say this on the radio. If we were talking about a current presidential candidate who had gotten drunk and in vehicular manslaughter, you know, kill the family of four by t boning them in an intersection, the guy's got to go to prison, right, Like this is that there are levels which it doesn't make everybody would understand. You know, you can't murder people, you can't rape somebody, you can't do some a horrible,
hateous crime and say, oh, I'm running for office. But a document dispute with the National Archives like that, that doesn't that's not going to cut it. I think that anybody who's being honest about what's best for the country is at least able to see the merit of that argument at some level.
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's kind of the Omar little quote from the wire right. If you come at the King, you best not missed, you bet. If you are going to break that two hundred and fifty year norm, you better have irrefutable evidence and you better be completely above suspicion that this is a political prosecution. So you know, if you have tape of some body going the wrong way on the highway and smashing into you know, a family of four in your example, then of course you
should prosecute. People aren't above the law. But it's so important to avoid even the appearance. And here we have a lot more than appearance. We have piece of evidence after evidence after evidence that this is a politically selective prosecution.
The impression of that, giving half the country the impression, the correct impression in this case, that the justice system is two tiered based on whether you agree with the party in power or not, is so much more dangerous than any kind of little document dispute could ever be. And this is just I mean, like I said, this is sort of ticky tax stuff to bring down republics over.
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I don't know that it's possible to take his candidacy less seriously. I mean this does remind people of the Aleppo moment, right, Yes.
And Gary Johnson, I remember that one.
No, I mean look not in reality. You know, the president doesn't need to know everything about what's happening all over the world. What he needs to do is to be able to hire good advisors who he trusts to give him good advice and then use his judgment about situations. So I don't know that any particular thing is disqualifying.
I will point out that even Rudy Giuliani was criticized for running for president, like the big hit against him was that he had only been mayor, and that was mayor of New York City, right, which is nine million people and larger than me than some states.
Right, I think I think it's larger than almost most states, Is that right, I'll put that out there, a lot of states, Like definitely a lot bigger than a lot of states.
Yeah, yeah. Like So the idea that you can run I mean, Miami is great, don't get me wrong. But the idea that you can run for president directly by being mayor of Miami as a stepping stone, I think
is a little absurd. Of course, this is a political outsider era that we live in, but I think somebody with a resume entirely out of politics is a different thing than somebody who's still on in sort of the minor leagues and then deciding that he could step up and run for president seems a little ridiculous to.
It is Is this just now a purely a branding exercise for a lot of people. It feels like we have Republican content or I should say presidential contest, but the Republican primaries the one all I will ask you about RFK in a second, because it feels like there's almost a shadow Democrat primary going on, which we'll get to.
But on the Republican side of things, you got some people who seem to be running so that they can be a Trump cabinet appointee, which is weird, right, because shouldn't you be trying to take down the number one guy. They're all like, well, I would be good. Trump would be better as president, but I would be good. And then you've also got people who it seems like they're just trying to sell more books?
Is it that symbol? Am I being too dismissive?
Is this part of like the flowering of our democracy or whatever? Is that you get people with less than one percent who tell it everybody that want to be president?
What do you think?
Look, I don't think it's going to stop happening. You combine several ingredients, huge egos, a single billionaire backer, you're going to have a presidential run. Right, there's no downside to any of these people running. We're going to know their names better, we're going to know their faces better. Yes, maybe they can sell more books. Right, Look, it's some sort of outside shot. Presidential candidates I think are or
rather runs are worth it. Right, if you really want to shine the spotlight on a particular issue, for example, if you want to be identified as single with a single issue and just launch that issue into the national stage. I think it's one way to do it, but it's bottom line, it's not going to stop. All the incentives are in one direction, all the you know that the consultants get get a ton of cash for you know, managing these these campaigns that have absolutely no shot at
it whatsoever. So unfortunately, all the incentives are aligned that way, and I don't see it going away, these kinds of like vanity bids going away anytime soon.
Who do you think if you had to pick somebody who has who is or will Or has That's what I'm trying to say, will Or has outperformed expectations on the Republican side, who would that be for you?
That's a good question. I don't know. I feel like I had pretty low expectations for a lot of these people.
Answer ever, she's like, she's like, I mean, I thought all of them were kind of gonna be, you know, not good. But go ahead.
Well, so, you know, DeSantis, you can't say he's outperformed expectations. If anything, he's underperformed expectations because the expectation was was going to come in as a strong sort of number two, and what we have is him as definitely a strong a number.
He's number two, but he's way way back. Yeah, he's way but.
He's considered play far back. And then there is literally nothing Nikki Haley could do that would drop my estimation of her lower But.
I guess, wait, can you expand on that, expand on that drill into this one? I like, I like inez letting it fly? Why are you auntie, Nikki Haley?
God, there's so many reasons, but but I mean, just start with the way that she entered the race, playing on her sex and her skin color. You know, there is this part of the Republican Party that is just as thirsty for affirmative actions as the left. I find it really cringe and pathetic. You should not be, you know, running on your characteristics as a woman and as a person of color. I just find this like very like left winging cringey. And then she She's proved over and
over again she doesn't understand the actual world. We're with her remarks about Disney, where she just said, oh, hey, you know, come on down to South Carolina, We'll take those jobs, like not even acknowledging the issue that corporate America has swung so far left in the cultural on the cultural issues, and then it's actually, you know, using their money and influence in state legislatures to try like to basically the will of the voters in those red states.
I mean, it's definitely happening in South Dakota, right. And Nate Hoffman has written before he left for a campaign, wrote some really great pieces about how big business interests in South Dakota with Christy Nome have basically overrun the views of the voters in the states via special interest power behind the scenes, like none of us. She doesn't even give her opinion Nikki Haley that addresses that issue and says, no, well, I have a different view whatever
about what should be done with Disney. She just sidesteps entirely, like it doesn't exist. And it's twenty twelve. And that's how I feel about a lot of these candidates. Mike Pence said something similar or the other the other day, just a couple of days ago, about you know, Disney and attacking a private company. I mean, I don't know where these people came from in their wormhole from twenty twelve,
but that's what it feels like. It feels like the twenty twelve you know show for a lot of these candidates said frankly, even aside from them personally, it's really it's very disheartening to see so many people in the Republican parties still running a playbook as though the last five years didn't happen. Like regardless of who you like, Trump, DeSantis, whatever, like one of these candidates help Chris CHRISTI right, like just just you have to understand the world in which
you're living in. And I think Republican voters, or I hope Republican voters do understand that. But it seems like so many people in the Republican Party elected officials do not, and that's very disheartening.
So let's talk RFK Junior in just a second hearing, as I really want to get your take on why he's catching on as much as he has, really out of out of nowhere other.
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Maybe we should give him a look.
Yeah, I mean, I think underlying that is the huge dissatisfaction with Biden as the Democratic nominee, even among Democrats. There's been some polls that show more than half of Democrats do not want Biden to run again, and a lot of that is connected to concerns about his age, like very valid concerns about his age. And then I guess correspondingly, dissatisfaction with Kamala is the default backup option, right, So I think a lot of that is where that
energy is coming from. Of course, it's also true that RFK Junior has gotten a boost from the fact that so few people now trust the medical establishment for very good reason. He has a longer history. It's not just with the COVID vaccine that he's skeptical of, though it's you know, some measles vaccine. It's going all the way back to polio. I just remember him from my youthful in the Bay Area. He was big and Marin County among yuppie white liberals who didn't vaccinate their children. So
he's been around for a while. But I think it reflects a dissatisfaction with Biden as the front runner.
Do you think he's onto something with the general skepticism Maybe isn't the right word, but this question first approach to our current vaccination regime. Does he take it to see my problem is people say, well, Buck, you agree with him on COVID stuff, because I was, as you remember, anti all that COVID lunacy from the very beginning. So
I'm like, yeah, we agree on COVID. Sure, when we talk about the other stuff though, all the other vaccines and what he talked about Joe Rogan talked to Joe Rogan about recently, is he onto something or is he kind of going out in.
The left field.
Well, here's what I say. I don't think he's onto anything with vaccines and autism, for example, I think there's quite long trail of refuting the evidence. There's there's like one or two studies that are consistently cited. One of them was retracted a long time ago. Right, So I don't think he's onto onto something with with going backwards. And I think that for example, the NMR vaccine and so on have done enormous good, uh for humanity over
the years. And but but here's the problem, right, if you're in a low trust environment where the institutions, medical institutions, but really all institutions right from media to you know, big corporations to you know obviously our political institutions, Uh, the FBI right. It's it's very hard in a low trust environment where people rightly have have disabused the gatekeepers of the function that they used to have, which was, you know, to sort of put their improm a tour
on information and that people could rely on. Right, those gatekeepers have failed, Those institutions have failed. They they've lied to us in many important ways over the last especially over the last three to five years. Right, So people are going to be more skeptical now. This is this is a direct consequence of the way that that authority was abused and the way that those those institutions abuse people's trust in them during COVID and also I would
say during the Trump presidency generally. So look, do I agree with it. No, I think we actually do have to start having those conversations. Though I don't think that you can dismiss RFK Junior and like take him off the you know, the airwaves, can boot him off Twitter, you know, take him off YouTube, right, And as though that's going to silence people's questions, at this point, you actually have to do the hard work of reproving your
self trustworthy to people. If you are one of these institutions that wants to make pronouncements.
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He was five a minute ago, but I actually kept him off the camera. Maybe I shouldn't have all men.
Oh I'm not delivery here, all right. I should accord it that there was with this with you before.
And I promise everybody at home next time the adorable tiny kitten that she is babysitting, we will make an appearance on on the on the video stream.
Here Inez, uh whish we will go to check out your work, you.
Can go to idea uh wow IWF dot org. You can check out my work the work of my colleagues at the Independent Women's Forum. You can also find me on Twitter at ENA's felter, or you can type in Nina's step and I'll pop up.
Fantastic, Enez, Thanks for being with us
Thanks so much, Buck