Hydroxychloroquine Should Not Be Political

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moving along pretty quickly. Three announced today, as you know, and they're going to be doing it safely. They're going to be doing it with tremendous passion. They want to get back to work. The country wants to get back to work. Welcome to the buck Sex and show everyone the President expressing the sentiment that so many of us have that we do want the country to get back to work. We all want to be able to get

back to work. They're varying degrees we're able to continue or not, but we need America to be doing what we need to do. Once again, we have given weeks and weeks of our lives to this lockdown effort, a lockdown effort that still has i would say questionable, questionable data to support that the full lockdown was necessary. I'm

not gonna say it was wrong. I'm just saying it's questionable and in some places, and if you look at it state by state, you see one part of the issue is that if you take it all as a national lockdown, yes or no, well, then you're gonna you're gonna edge closer toward well, I guess we have to be more cautious and go to the national lockdown. If you do the state by state, there are some states that quite clearly did not need to have a cessation

of business like other states did. There's that's just at this point, I don't know how you can justify telling tens of millions of people in certain states that because there are there have been a few thousand infections that are established, and we got to talk more about the urology testing situation today. But a few thousand tests or five thousand, ten thousand, you're going to shut down all

business and social social distancing. The mitigation measures that are in place, they seem to be they seem to be working, so that's been positive. But we can continue those. We can continue those even as we try to engage in more normal lives. You know, the debate here is still not go back to full on normal. No one thinks that we're gonna be able to flip the switch and everything's going to be the way that it was before

all of this happened. But we're never going to get there if we wait for the risk to be zero. And I think that's the change in consciousness that's happened at this point. I think that's where people have finally started to see a shift in their thinking. Some of

us have been worried about this all along. I mean, I've been concerned about this, trying to raise those concerns here on the show, and I just also think that the first person who yells across my at least six foot air barrier of virus safety to put on a mask or else they're going to call Mayor de Blasio's snitch line. Even though I'd be walking entirely alone except for talula, in open air on a generally empty street in NYC. They are going to find me very disagreeable

to that little dictatorial impulse. They're going to find that I do not like that and do not respond well to it. And I know that there is now a statewide order in effect, but some of these statewide orders are of dubious constitutionality and legality. We have been accepting them, but if we chose to challenge them, the state would have a very hard time proving some of this is in fact within its remit in court. But they're doing

it anyway. They're doing it anyway, and that's that's concerning you. For the past month. If you brought up any concerns about creeping state tyranny as I have, you've been told to shut up, you've been told you want Grandma to die, and you've been told to stay inside. Peasant Nancy Pelosi has Jenny's ice Cream to eat in front of her twenty five thousand dollar Viking fridge, well stocked by the servants. I would note Nancy Pelosi guarantees she has quote, they

don't call them servants anymore. They call them staff. I did not grow up rich, but I grew up among, you know, in close proximity to the rich here in New York City, and I know that some of the proper terminology for the high falutin folks. It's not you don't call them servants, you call them staff, even if you make them wear one of those old time butler or made uniforms. Trust me, Nancy Pelosi's got a bunch of people maintaining the castle for her while she's telling

the rest of us to stay locked indoors. But for the past month, if you brought any of this up, that you were treated terribly. And now we have mothers being dragged away in front of their children for the crime of getting fresh air in a playground and jogging on a beach is treated like a public menace. Many of us have been warning all along ye about just what is going to happen the moment the government has too much power, the moment that we start to say,

the Bill of Rights no longer counts. You can tell us whether we have freedom of assembly, You can tell us whether we are freedom of speech, what we're allowed to say? This is very troubling, you know. One of the areas of the digital era, of the digital revolution in which we live, that I have always found to be a remarkable step forward true progress. I feel like progressives have ruined the word progress for many of us, but it is still a good word, still got usage.

But one area of true progress has been the notion of the major social media platforms as free speech havens. Now we've all found out the hard way that's not really true. But how not true is it? YouTube ceo Susan producer Mark, how do we? I mean? This is a Polish one. I don't know if you know Polish better than me. Chickie sure, why not? Why do chickie,

I'll go? Or why cheeky? That's a tough one anyway, the CEO of YouTube and pardon me, I should know her name, but you know, we're doing a show here and I didn't look this one up beforehand, so that's on me. But ce CEO Susan will call her had this to say, about what will be a remove now. We're all trying to find out more facts, have a conversation.

All big study on hydroxy chloroquins come out and people are celebrating, Oh, more people are gonna die now because we don't have a drug that can actually help keep them alive. The journalists are all going see and they're secretly going yeah, because they're blaming it on Trump like psychopaths.

I actually reached out and sent the study too, and I've had a conversation with an infectious disease specialist whom I know quite well, and I have a whole bunch of data from a professional analysis, I should say, from a professional based on that data that I will share with you today that you will not see from the mainstream media. But YouTube supposed to be a place where you can share your thoughts on matters of public policy. Right.

This is Look, this is not hate speech. This is not you know, threatening anybody or causing violence or instigation of violence or anything like that. This is open public discussion what should we do about the pandemic. YouTube CEO Susan had this to say about what they'll pull down from that site. Play too. But then we also talk

about removing information that is problematic. Of course, anything that is medically unsubstantiated to people saying like take vitamin c um you know, take tumoranic like those are all will cure you. Those are the examples of things that would be a violation of her policy. Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of her policy. And so remove is another really important part of our policy. Remove that's a that's a nice way

of saying censorship. This is YouTube engaging in censorship on behalf of the who the who, who what what archamedies. No, the World Health Organization, that's the same organization that we know told the world in the middle of January, Oh, it turns out they didn't think there was any evidence of human to human transmission of this virus that is now largely shut down the world. The organization that has been doing China's bidding and that has been praising China

in recent weeks for its response to this crisis. Yes, that organization. If you disagree with them, or if you tell people to what take more vitamin C or what goes against WHO recommendations, I would wonder or wearing a mask if you said you need to wear a mask a month ago, that would have been against the wa H mandate, it seems. And if you now don't wear a mask, you're against the man. And the mandate keeps changing.

For those who actually understand history, the idea that consensus around ideas of medicine and around science consensus matters is is a very dangerous one. The facts matter, data matters.

Consensus is often political. Consensus means nothing. If you're curious, you could go back and read about how there were outbreaks, outbreaks of cholera in Great Britain stretching into the middle of the nineteenth century, and at that point in time, London, you know, you're talking about eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties, London is really the intellectual and scientific center of the world.

I mean, London was considered a more more sophisticated in those regards than anywhere else, perhaps even including the United States, and the overwhelming majority of doctors in London would have told you in the eighteen seventies and the eighteen eighties that the reason you would have gotten cholera, which is a very very dangerous bacteria that's water borne it actually comes from human human waste. That's how it has transferred. So human waste gets into the water and it spreads

very very rapidly. In your fatality rate if you get it within twenty four hours is about forty percent. So it is a vicious disease and kills people very quickly. The theory was called the myasthma theory or miasmatic theory, and it was that there was a noxious form of bad air that gave you cholera. Now you might say about why are you bring this up, because that was the expert consensus and the most advanced and sophisticated medical community in the world at the time. Now that's not

to say that there's no such thing as signed. You know, if I if I have a bad needo strap throat, I'm antbiotics. Right, I'm not saying that that science is in science. I'm merely saying that was their theory. They didn't have proof, but they tried to bludgeon other people with consensus, and consensus is not science. So for right now to hear people say, oh, well, whatever the World Health Organization says, does the World Health Organization get to weigh in on whether the virus came from a lab

or came from the wet market in Wuhan. Are you allowed to go against that? I want to know where the censorship stops and starts with what the consensus on these issues may be. We have petty totalitarianism rising in states across the country where we just shouldn't see it. No one should be arresting a mom for wanting to be out in the air with their child. It's just stupid. We all know that it's wrong, and we should expect

that any government official would know that. We're seeing that happen, and we're also seeing the shutdown of free and open discourse about an area where the models have been wrong, the experts have been wrong. We did not see this coming. They do not know how to treat this, They do not know how to cure this. But they want everyone to just shut up and stay inside. I think that's a big problem, my friends. I think we need to

keep pushing for real answers. This does not mean we have an excuse to be reckless and disregard facts in data. It means let's really look at the facts and data and what people are going to just chime in with all the experts said, the consensus is, prove it to me. Do not try to silence me by waiving a fancy degree that someone else or some other group of people have when they won't be the ones making the argument about why I can't take a walk in a park

without a mask on my face. You're in the freedom mind. This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast. We will continue to see mortality and death among our American citizens, particularly in the cities as they begin to move past peak, because death a lie, and so we really need to continue to unite and really, really really support our healthcare

providers who are still on the front lines. They have been on the front lines now for weeks and weeks and weeks, and so no matter what city they have been in, they have not seen the relief that we've been able to talk about at the light at the end of the tunnel because of the delay in hospitalizations

and deaths. To our healthcare providers, to our respiratory therapists, and to everyone in the labs, thank you for the work that you're doing to protect Americans and give us one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world.

A lot of important things out there and I wanted to make sure that I also always balance out my dispute is with the policy medical experts and the way they're influencing national policy, dictating on the national policy outside of their purview of expertise, and it is inherently therefore both in economic and political matter, and that's a separate issue from the doctor's nurses and everyone who who are just trying to keep alive, our friends, families, relatives, everybody,

everybody out there right now who's dealing with this. So I always like to make sure that we establish that separation. You know, it is a brave thing to show up every day now as a nurse, as a doctor, as an EMT, and expose yourself to people who have high high levels of this virus, a virus we still really don't understand very well and have a lot that we have to learn about. I will talk about that hydroxy chloroquine study. I have some really worthwhile insights from a

true expert for you on that. But I also just wanted to note that how often do you hear that America has the lowest you know, the America having the lowest fatality rate from everything that we can see so far, is largely we can't really establish a specific percentage, but largely a function of those healthcare workers. I do not think it is a function of our policy, because other

countries had lockdown policies too. I mean, he'll never really be able to see true numbers on this, but I would note that there are there are other other ways, other other factors that you'd have to look at here. But our doctors are doing really, really good work with what they have. They have a very limited tool kit, which is tragic. You know, the ventilators. We've heard so

much about ventilators. Your chance of coming off a ventilator, if you go on at least by all New York State data and we've had the most cases, is one in five. That's very it's disconcerting. Now one in five isn't you know, isn't one percent? But it's obviously not as high as we would want it to be. We need more weapons, we need more tools for our first responders. Also, I mentioned you the the myasthma theory actually comes from the ancient Greek word for pollution, which I think is

just an interesting uh. You know, we have we have these terms, these medical terms that we still use today. I've mentioned you before that influenza comes from Italian sailors and I believe the fourteenth century talking about how they thought that the disease was the influence the stars. That's where influenza comes from. Okay, this is the term that we still use to this day. Malaria is a term from medieval Italian that means bad air, which people also thought it was the it was the bad air that

made you sick. They didn't realize that it was a parasite that was transmitted through the bite of an infected mosquito, and that human beings were the were the you know, the hosts, and that the mosquitoes were the reservoir for this. So there's a lot that we still have to learn, a lot that we have to get into this fight now.

I want to spend a little bit of time on because this has become so political, and I'm seeing already liberals who are saying that hydroxy chloroquin because this one study came out of France and like the studies, results are not good for those who want a better weapon against the disease, which I would think everybody would be in favor of. But there's some people that can't get out of their way on this one. But it's not it's not a definitive and it's not as clear as

they say. And I've told you when there have been encouraging results about hydroxy chloroquine that are anecdotal. Well, I'm going to tell you about what aspects of this study that we've seen are not definitive and do require more study, more scientific rigor. And it's too too soon to tell is the real answer about hydroxy choricuin. But I want to tell you why because I don't think a lot of people are going to get this one right. Thanks

for listening to the bus sets and show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. You wanted to five quin. I'm wondering if if you're concerned this VA study showed that actually more people died that used the drug that didn't. And I'm wondering if if the Governor Cuomo brought you back any result. No, I'm discuss said, and I don't

know of the report. Obviously, there have been some very good reports and perhaps this one's not a good report, but we'll be looking at it. We'll have a comment under there's some panel of experts at the NIH is actually now recommending against the use of hydroxychlorical in combination with zpac, which is something new. I'm always willing to take a look. Okay, Notice how all along here we have been told that this is somehow political, that the

President trying trying in some way to encourage people. Encourage people by pointing out that there's some good information about a drug that Remember, this is not drinking some random substance in the hopes that's a miracle cure. This is a long decades long approved by the FDA drug that is really helpful for people with lupus, with rheumatoid arthwright is, and who don't want to get malaria, which I had to work with a guy once who had malaria, like

who had to relapse a malaria. It can actually relapse too, I would note, it's ay at the parasite can come back. It's a it's a terrible as it was explaining to me when I was going over to Africa for the first time on assignment by the government to a place where malaria was everywhere, really bad. Malaria was everywhere. I was going to be but it's I was told, whatever the drug is, you got to take take it because you really don't want malaria. Okay, it's a nasty, nasty disease.

I remember working with the guy who had the relapse and he was just, oh, he's in really bad shape. So we know that it works for other things. We know that it's safe enough to take that. Remember, there's always a balance when you take tailanol. And by the if you go speak to a certain doctors who are neurologists, I mean they'll tell you people that take a lot of talent all for headaches, very hard on your stomach.

You really, you know, thailan al can mess you up, and better not just tilent all any of these NSAIDs that you take out there, there's just it's hard on your system, it's hard on your liver. You really don't want to be a heavy drinker and use those things. And this is all on the label, right, This is I'm not telling you anything that you don't know if you ever read the label of a of an ibuprofen or thailanol or any of the rest of it. Point here is that there's a trade off in the drugs

and with this study on hydroxy chloroquine. We're being told, well, let me tell you what it actually says. Amilaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump, this is for treating the new coronavirus, showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in US veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxy chloroquin versus standard care. Researchers reported.

The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment, but with three hundred and sixty eight patients, it's the largest look so far of hydroxy chloroquin with or without. The antibiotic is zethromycin for COVID nineteen, which has killed more than one hundred and seventy one thousand people as of Tuesday. Okay, this is all in political right. That's a quote from this political article the study was posted, so is this.

The study was posted online for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work. Okay, friends, this sounds really This sounds like you know, game over for hydroxychloroquinn. And I will just note it is appalling that there are people that seem to be eager to report this story and have a

whole ha ha told you Trump was sharing this. Trump so bet this is about giving people who are on death store in a hospital with a with a very debilitating, painful and lethal disease, giving them a chance to beat it. I give you my word on my word of honor. If you know, Chuck Schumer was out there saying, hey, guys, I saw this drug study and it looks pretty good for COVID patients if they take the following. Let's hope it's true, which is all Trump has said. Trump didn't

say it works. He's saying, let's hope. It's like I've seen some things. Let's hope. I promise you I'd say, I hope Chuck Schumer is right and that this study does prove. I mean, we all want we all want the same thing, or we should want the same thing here, which is more weapons for our healthcare providers to fight the invisible enemy of this virus and protect more people,

protect more lives, save more people. But there's an an obvious, a visible glee with which some in the media report on this, and you do end up asking yourself, how deranged have they really become? When even under these circumstances, the most important thing to them is that Trump looks bad. There's no disappointment at this drug not necessarily working the way that we were hoping. No one said it was a cure. I should say, no one in the Trump

administration said it was a cure. I don't know what everybody says, but the Trump administration was not misrepresenting this at all. But it's also not over friends. You'll see that whenever a study comes out like psurology tests, all of a sudden, ever becomes an expert in scientific experimentation, all of a sudden, they'll be said, oh, there's no

there's no control group. Oh there's no h you know, there's nothing, nothing that you can do to look at this that makes it prove anything, right, I mean, you know, there they tear apart studies that, remember, beating the virus has been conflated in a lot of journals and Democrats minds with coold for Trump. Therefore, Mumm a little conflicted about some aspects of this. You know, at a little you know, sure they would say they want to save

every life. Of course they would say that. But yet whenever there's a story that could promote the ability of the administration to handle this better, or that it's not perhaps going to be as bad as we had been told, there's this very clear this this part is in divide in the way that people view this, and I find that very troubling. But this study that now, and I saw the bill, there were people that we're kind of spiking the football. See hydroxy chloroquin doesn't work the way

that you were told it does. Well, that's that's really bad news for humanity. Okay, we want drugs that are going to save people here, we want things that are going to work. But it's also not true. This is just yet another data point among many. And we don't remember what I said. It's not about consensus. It's about science. It's about facts. It's about what is true, what is provable,

what can be replicated as a result. And here is what a friend of mine, and really on all these issues, a kind of mentor or right, I said, look, Keny, you got to break this study down for me. What are we said? Is this game over for hydroxy chloroquin? And I can tell you this is somebody who I have. I mean, I've entrusted my health and my life too in the past on some serious stuff. This is a guy who really really knows his stuff, and he's very,

very highly regarded. But he like he lives a private life as an MD. And I'm not I told him I just would use his analysis. I'm not gonna, but he's an infectious disease specialist. He said. This is what This is his response. You know, the media, Politico, everyone's own NPR. The study shows a hydroxy chloroquin. His garbage doesn't work for this the dangerous drug. In fact, more people died who took hydroxy chloroquin. Here's what he says. Quote.

This is probably the worst of study designs. It is retrospective analysis with no stated methods as to how patients were assigned one of the three treatment arms. In addition, the three groups were not entirely comparable and all were

sick enough to be hospitalized. A key indicator of prognosis, fibrine degradation products, was not even measured, So although it may be proven true in subsequent prospective trials, we should also understand that proponents of the use of hydroxy chloroquine in various combinations with other drugs, all suggest that the drug is most effective when used early, well before patients qualify for hospitalization. This is similar to the way we

use otomivie. This is how you know this came from an expert, because I don't even how to pronounce this stuff. Oseltomivir or baloch savie for influenza unless started within seventy two hours of onset of viral symptoms, these effective, proven and licensed drugs have little or no demonstrable effect on the course of influenza. However, we still routinely will use them in advanced late beyond seventy two hours influenza patients who are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital.

It will be interesting to see if this article is even accepted by a reputable journal, meaning the study is even accepted by a reputable journal. Oh wait a second, you mean there's a lot more layers here, There's a lot more research and work that needs to be done. I've been telling you this four weeks now. The real experts who are looking at this and who are and he's somebody who's his hospital is treating large number of COVID patients. He's looking at all the data from those trials.

I have another friend who's a doctor out in Brooklyn. He's treating large numbers of COVID patients and looking at and then they were using hydroxy chloroquin on them, and it seemed like works for some people, doesn't work for other Well, it's not random. There's some reason why it would work for some and not others, and we'd have to get to the bottom of that. But notice how the politics drives the narrative, not not the science. We already know. So you see what he's explaining. Here is it?

For First of all, this this study is there's a lot of holes, there's a lot of weakness in the study. But we already know that there are the most effective anti virals we use for influenza, remember fourteenth century Italians

influenza influence of the stars. We already know that you have to take it early on, or else the viral replication gets to the point where you can't really you know, the horse has already left the barn, right, you're got you gotta get to it within a certain timeframe or else. And this is even true of tamiflu, which I'm assuming maybe that's what osel tamavir. That's probably what it is actually, now that I think about it, I'm just guessing that

might not. You know, it's not medical advice, but you have to take these drugs early on or else they have no effect. That's true of So why would that be so strange with hydroxychloroquine because people were, you know, the regulators were a little bit gun shy about giving hydroxy chloroquine to people. You know what they've done. They've said it's only going to people in hospitals. Who shows up at hospitals now with COVID nineteen that small but

substantial percentage of people that have extreme symptoms. So you're already looking at people who have had a lot of virus replication inside of them and are in bad shape. It may be too late for hydroxy chloroquine to switch that off. The primary threat to individuals once they get to that phase is the least the primary threat that we're seeing that causes causes fatality. We know the lung

shutdown and they don't function. But why it's ards it's this inflammatory syndrome in the lungs had come from something called a cytokine storm. Well, if you already have enough virus in your system that you're you've arrived at the cytokine storm phase. Even if you're starting to fight back on that virus replication, the inflammatory and immune response in your lungs may be too much and you might die anyway. Now,

this is theorizing, but it's theorizing, and I'm barring. These are theories I'm barring from actual mds and people that work in infectious disease, not you know, no offense. I love dermatologists. They do great work too, but I'm talking with people look at an infectious and now that they do infectious disease too in a way, but you know they you see, you see what I'm saying. People that

this is their realm of expertise. So I remember, I think there was it wasn't there a Seinfeld episode where Jerry said something about dermatologists and then and then they're like our dermatologists And then uh, I think George or Somebody's like, yeah, Jerry, skin cancer and he goes, oh, no, he was dating a dermatologist and she claimed to save lives and he said she doesn't save lives and he called her out for it, and then she was creating

skin cancer. Thank you, thank you. That's right, yes, yes, So I don't dermatologist legit mds that do very important stuff. I just mean that this is within the spet the doctors I'm talking about this, this is within their specialty

of dealing with infectious disease um. You know, somebody on on social media actually called out Alex Barrinson, who we have, who we had on the show, who's one of the few people willing to ask questions about the dominant narrative about COVID nineteen and all of this, and someone was yelling at him on Twitter, you know your wife is not even is not even a physician, esusy chiatrists. Psychiatrists go to medical school, have an MD and are in

fact physicians. Alex I think appreciated on Twitter. I explained this to some of the angry masses who people really don't want to believe what he's telling them, which is just, hey, look at the numbers. It's not it's bad. It's not as bad as they're saying. That's the message that gets you in trouble. These days. Things are bad. We all know that the economy is in really bad shape and we're losing a lot of people from this virus, and things are bad, but the virus itself is not as

bad as they told you it would be. And that's the message that gets you in so much trouble right now. It's also why when you bring up the possibility of a therapy that is useful in fighting against this disease, especially if it's something that the president and not just the president. A lot of people have talked about hydroxy chloric wine. Doctors have been going on TV talking about hydroxy chloric wine. Oh, but Tom Hanks's wife says that it gave a really bad side effects. Yeah, there are

side effects. We've always known that about the drug. People are not aligned here with what is righteous and what is good. They're not turning toward the light on this issue because the politics of the moment have blinded them. We don't the answer about hydroxy chloroquine is we don't have the answer. But people that are trying to act like we do and shut this whole thing down. I know there's a change in the CDC guidance about it. What's because they don't know? But we shall see my friends,

it is too early to tell. That's a different thing from we know. And haha, Trump was wrong, which is bizarre on a whole bunch of levels. You're in the freedom hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Corona is really saying to Americans, says, hey, wait a minute, folks, It's important to listen to the experts. It's important to listen to scientists. It's important to find a baseline of

truth and make the choices on it. So coronavirus, maybe America and the world's great wake up goal with respect to the challenge of climate because this is coming at us. If you think pandemics are bad today, why do you have the warming at a greater level than it is now? And we're headed there. Every scientific report and judgment shows that we are heading into amazing negative impacts. The feedback loops or in the earth are just horrendous right now. I'm not going to go through them all. But so

that's that's the meaning of the deaths thus far. And yesterday was the highest number of deaths. And still this president is avoiding responsibility for testing. Just all blather and talking points and nincompoopery from John Kerry that's really that's his expertise, nincompoopery. What the heck is he talking about?

The lesson of COVID nineteen is climate change and how much worse climate change is going to make these these people that they really they have been brainwashed, and maybe perhaps their efforts to brainwash other people has seeped into their own brains and they really believe their own bs. Now, maybe that's where they this is. Maybe they know this is the reality of their own mindset. We're in the middle of this pandemic, and you want to tell us

that we should be worried about climate change. That's all based on models. So you want to talk about listen to experts. Climate change is all about models. Models have been wrong for climate change consistently now for really as long as I've been alive. The experts on climate change tend to usually be people who are like lawyers who work for big international NGOs, who are leveraging some scientific consensus when the real consensus doesn't exist. But the tyranny

that you're feeling right now are on this issue. They will use this on climate change in the future. Mark my words. Thanks for listening to the Bus Sesson Show. Podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. You also campaigned on reducing legal immigration, and I'm wondering if some critics are saying that you are using the virus now in this crisis to follow through on that promise to reduce legal in her. No, No, well,

I want people that are in this country. I want our citizens to get jobs. I don't want them to have competition. We have a very unusual situation where something came in that nobody has seen for many, many decades. Probably nineteen seventeen would be the closest analogy if you look at it, when you look at the contagion, the kind of contagion we're talking about. So no, I'm not doing that at all. I want I want the American worker and the American or American citizens to be able

to get jobs. I don't want them to compete. Right now, President saying he's suspending immigration because national security reasons. Of course, we don't want additional virus cases brought into the country, and also he doesn't want Americans at a time and we're losing tens of millions of jobs. Unpresident of Job losses competing with non Americans for those jobs. Sarah Carter is an investigative reporter. She also is a dear friend

of mine and a Fox News contributor. I like to think that being my dear friend is more important than being a contribute you know, who knows. But anyway, Sarah Carter, I just realized I threw that in the middle. I'm like, well, if I should probably give a resume first. But anyway, Sarah Carter, thank you so much for joining us. Dear friend is definitely at the top of the list. Thank you. I'll I'll take it. You don't have to put that on your official resume, but but I'll take it. No,

it is on my official resume. But Sexton is my dear friend. Here we go. So so, Sarah, I know, you know you we want to talk about the crossfire hurricane stuff because you've been all over that story for years now and had been breaking lots of news on it, and I think people think of your investigative journalism work on that as much as anybody in the field, if not the premier person in that field. But yeah, I know you also do a lot on the border, and

when the border was a really hot topic. I used to come to you to get insights about your travels in Central America and what you're hearing from Border Patrol. Given the crisis right now, the president's decision to try and suspend immigration, what are you hearing from CBP, the challenges that they face, and just what's going on in our southern border right now. Well, I gotta tell you from the very beginning, CBP our US Customs and Border Protection officers that are out there on the border, on

the front lines every day. We're very concerned. There are a number of custom and Border Protection officers who have been exposed to the coronavirus uh there. You know. Of course, those that do have it have been pulled off the front line until they can get better and recover. That's a big issue. I did speak with Patricia Kramer, she is a union rep for the very front front line officers at the ports of entry. There was a lot

of concern and there still is a growing concern. It's a story I'm actually working on right now that even though people aren't allowed into the country, there's quite a bit of traffic going into Mexico and then coming back in, so they you know, they've been fighting fighting that, you know,

saying that their officers are being exposed. And as far as you know, the suspension, the sixty day suspension of immigration across the board, I think it's a vitally important buck because you're looking at a number of issues here, economics, exposure of our officers, the disease which is still rampant and spreading in other parts of the world as well as here in the United States, and people got to get a grasp on this, and especially on the economic side.

You know, one of the biggest problems we have right now is how are we going to get Americans back into the workforce. Some of these businesses, especially small businesses, have been lost now completely. We know that some of these businesses are not coming back, and Americans need to be the first in line to get the jobs. Once the economy, which it will come back, you know, gets going, we have to be able to get Americans back into the workforce, get our economy pumping again like it was before.

The President's doing the right thing, and anyways, it's more toorium right now. Is happening at a time when we already have a moratorium on this, This just buys more time for the administration and for the government to figure out who and what needs to take priority, and that of course is the American people and our law enforcement officials on the front line. Did you see the mattel

In Albright. The mattel In Albright quote. You know, she's been somebody who's very very friendly to you know, free trade with China. That's actually not free trade. As we know, she's been enriching herself for a long time on that one. That people have been talking about that for the last few days. But she said that it's almost like the president wants to shut down the country and it's an American about the border, and everyone's sitting around like, I

can't even leave my house, lady. The country is shut down. The country is shut down, and this is the issue. When people were still coming back and forth across the border, and a lot of and believe me, this was happening even under the president's directive. There were quite a few supervisors on the front line and people were saying, well, we're going to still let the traffic flow back and forth. I did write a story on that where they were

coming back and forth. And then you have other officers that are right there working the front line, saying, whoa wa, wait a minute, why are we being exposed? If our families are forced on lockdown, how can people come across the border here to the United States to buy milk or to visit family or vice versa. People leaving the United States who have family in Mexico or who are

shopping in Mexico there. You just can't do that when you're trying to stem an outbreak of this magnitude, especially whether or not you know, the statistics are all right, and you know, you and I have both pointed this out, you know, on these random stats, whether or not that's happening. The American people are on lockdown. I mean, I'm lucky if I hit to Safeway every day, you know, to

go pick up groceries. That's my trip out of the house, right and you know, sometimes walking with my daughter around our neighborhood just to get exercise. So if we're on lockdown, well, then why should we have our border wide open for people to travel in and out. There is a reason why this administration is doing that. It's smart and it's it's actually beyond just the mitigation of the spread of

this disease. It's bringing us back to what we need to do, and that has put Americans first economically that we can move ahead. And if there is a place and a time where we will be reopening the border, there has to be priorities in place. And you know, Madeline Albright has always been a globalist apologist, along with quite a few other people. They definitely are the antithesis to President Trump, directly opposite and is thinking of putting

America first. This is about globalism, and we have to be very careful about, you know, people that really want to push this global idea of you know, opening our borders. You know past NAFTA deals, all of these Iran deals that were so bad that President in Trunk basically just eliminated and renegotiated. And he did that for a reason. He did that to put the American worker first. And we're speaking to Sarah Carter. If you have not already,

you should go to Sarah Acarter dot com. That's her site where she's posting stories and including the investigative pieces that often blow a huge hole in the deep state narrative, especially around issues of Russia collusion and well the absence

of Russia collusion. But Sarah, before we moved, before we moved to that topic and your your latest work on that, because I know we have these footnotes declassified now that we can see from the Inspector General report that are some in a normal circumstance, if we didn't have a global pandemic, everybody would be saying, wow, that's a big story. But right now it's getting overshadowed as everything is. One more on the coronavirus situation of Mexico where you were

talking about the border in our border security. Mexico has not yet been hit that badly by COVID nineteen, but as of today, there's all these reports that they I mean, they've had Mexico City, for example, has had half of Mexico's eight thousand, seven hundred seventy two cases, thirty five percent of the seven hundred and twelve deaths. And now Mexico's over one hundred million people. It's a large country.

They've had very few of these cases. Are they expecting there to be a major spike and if that happens, what is border patrol things going to happen on our end? That's right, it's a great question, and it is something that not only the medical community is looking at, but I can tell you that you know, the intelligence community is looking at and our law enforcement officials. It would stand to reason, according to sources that I've spoken to, that Mexico and Central America will see spikes in the

spread of COVID. Now, every nation is different, and how they classify and can you know, get their statistics is different, and also environments are different. So that is something that they're going to be looking at whether or not the warmer weather as summer comes around, will that mitigate the spread of this virus. But remember, book, there will be a two medical officials, a concern that there will be a second wave, and a lot of people who have

been talking about, oh, coming up with a vaccine. Will we have a vaccine in the future, Will that could be years from now, that could be two to four years from now, if they ever find a vaccine that actually is really going to work against this because remember, viruses and pathogens, they mutate, they change, and that's always been the problem when we try to stay one step ahead of the flu every year. You know, sometimes the

flu vaccines are effective, other times they're not effective. Because that means there's a different strain of it coming around. But I can tell you this talking to people in Central America, this is a big, big concern for them. I spend a lot of time in Guatemala. I know a lot of the senior Guatemalan officials in the government from the previous government of President Ruralis and some who are currently in this new administration. They are watching it

very carefully. They're working very closely with US officials on this and trying to monitor. But gosh, buck, you've traveled to a lot of the similar places that I've traveled to around the globe, and you know there's a lot of areas of poverty in Central America as well, and it's very very difficult to get the right medical officials

in those areas. It's very very difficult. And also, I would have concerns that if you're going to have you know, COVID nineteen and you have some of the economic devastation that we've had in this country, if that starts to filter you know, south of us, we can handle it

better certainly than those economies can. And the possible influx of what you would what the you know, the left will refer to them as COVID refugees, even though we have COVID here that could very well becoming and I think that's that's a concern that we all have to keep an eye on. That's why the president shutting the borders might be a prescient decision at this point, shutting down immigration, I should say. But Sarah, also, just because we've got we've got a few minutes for this one.

You've been following Crossfire, Hurricane, the FBI's bogus investigation into President tromp or Russia collusion in the twenty sixteen election, and there were some big stuff that came out on the Inspector General Horowitz Report, new stuff from the footnotes that are now declassified. What can you tell us about it? I think this is probably some of the biggest news, and unfortunately we're not seeing a lot of the major

news outlets report on this. The American people must be informed about what happened here and these footnotes that were declassified by Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, the senators that

have been investigating and really pushing for the DNI. That's the director Acting Director of National Intelligence, Writt Grill, as well as the Attorney General to declassify these footnotes basically exposed in a nutshell that the FBI, senior members of the FBI and the Crossfire Hurricane Team, as well as I believe from what I'm hearing from my sources, other members like John Brennan, James Clapper, former Obama officials knew all along, knew all along book that this information is

Russian disinformation. Basically, what Christopher Steele put in his dodgy dossier, the debunked dossier, was actually information supplied to him by some Russian connected Kremlin sources that were putting disinformation into the dossier to a harm President Trump and to harm our elections, to harm our nation and to divide and see a chaos. The question is, knowing that they knew this, why did they continue to do it, and what is

their culpability in this? You know, from the beginning, I've always said this appeared to be a soft coup from senior Obama administration officials that did not want candidate Trump to become president, and if he did, they wanted to

take him down. And more and more what we're seeing is that they were very aware that they were the ones actually colluding with Russia, that they were actually spreading Russian disinformation and Jess as a footnote to all of that, before you let me go, I spoke yesterday to Nigel West, a former parliamentarian from great as well as an expert on intelligence, written a number of books and did an investigation into Christopher Stile back in twenty seventeen and what

he discovered from Christopher Stiele's report. And by the way, this was somebody who was friends with Christopher Stiele, so this isn't somebody who hated him by any means. This

is somebody who was asked to conduct an investigation. After looking at Christopher Stile's numerous reports, because there were actually seventeen reports that he actually did on the Trump administration, he concluded that Christopher Stile made up the report that he was basically this none of the report was actually true in the intel business, so you know, we'd call him a fabricator. He's a fabricator, a fabricator exactly that

he fabricated this report, which is really stunny. Now. He may have had and according to others he did have some connections to Russian sources, and he did, but the thing was the way he described his sources. The way he describes his sourcing, there was just no way he

could have had this information from any legitimate sources. So what we see now is that Christopher SiO basically was a fabricator and the information that he did put in there that seemed the most salacious was just actually Russian

disinformation from Russian intelligence from their GRU and FSB. And so if it looks like the Democrats themselves were the ones that were duped by the Russians, and for those that weren't duped, they should answer the question to the Attorney General and to Prosecutor John Durham, if you knew this was Russian disinformation, why did you assist in spreading it? Sarah Carter, Everybody, Sarah, please stay on this story because we're gonna need to find out what the resolution is here.

And if we don't keep the pressure on, we know they're gonna You and I both know the old Potomac two step. They'll sweep it under the rug unless folks like you stay on it. So thank you for all your work on that. Everyone should be following Sarah on social media. Sarah Carter dot com is your website, Sarah, thanks so much. Thanks so much, but great to be on. You're in a freedom money. This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast. It is happening in the context of

Congress having gone on recess for a month. We are going to pass a small potatoes bill and then we are talking about recessing again until May fourth, and if we are going to bring every member or call back almost every member who can back to DC to pass a small incremental bill and with the knowledge that we are not coming back until next month again, that's two rent checks. And the last time we left again, we lost over one nine eleven's worth of people due to

this lack of action. We lost a nine elevens worth of people to lack of action. How that's quite a thing to say. And that's AOC as you know, the favorite young member of Congress for the for the left, and they've realized, you know, Bernie Sanders, Folks, you're not going to be hearing much more about that guy much longer. You know Bernie Sanders. You know, he had he had his several runs at the Office of the Presidency, and

it's not going to happen. They're going to have to start looking to build the next generation of left wing statuss and build, build them up, and AOC is certainly very close to the top of that list, if not already at the top of that list. But notice the language being used here. I mean, I think it's important to drop in on the progressives in Congress to understand what the longer term game is. A small potatoes bill. Now, I'm willing to to say that, clearly they didn't lay

out enough money. Everyone knows this, that's why they had to then. But when we're going to start referring to five hundred or so, I think it's four hundred and eighty something was the actual, but close to a half a trillion dollars of short term spending as a small potatoes bill, it's clear that we have lost all sense of proportion and also are very kind of blithely gliding

toward real economic catastrophe. If half a trillion dollars of spending could be described by anybody as small potatoes, we got big problems. And the Democrats along are seeing this as no matter what happens with the spending, this is an opportunity. This is setting the stage going forward for a whole lot more spending. The ramifications of this, my friends, on a policy level, will last well beyond this virus. And that's even if the virus stretches to be a

menace for a couple of years. Thanks for listening to the bus seton show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. No amount of money, not all the money in China will save us from ourselves. Our only hope of rescuing this great country is to reopen the economy. If you print up billions of dollars and give it to people, they are unlikely to spend it until you end the quarantine.

The good news, though, is that the scientific community finally has facts instead of conjecture. The question. The question before us isn't do nothing or print endless amounts of bailout cash. The debate should now include the one choice that we'll get our economy growing again, reopening American commerce. We need to heed the senator's words here, you Rampaul's of one of these guys you know when you need them, you

really need them. And I think that ran Paul, and I've always thought that his political skills weren't as far along as as his knowledge of political theory, and I do believe he's a principled guy in his approach to politics too, uh that that he does his beliefs matter in the exercise of his of his job as a centator, which makes me also think that he'd be he I think he'd be a pretty good president. I know people don't think so. I think he'd actually be. He wouldn't

bother you. You wouldn't have people getting, you know, pulled off of subway subway cars because I don't have a face mask on, although that's a state issue. Not trying to not trying to, you know, take a cheap, cheap shot at our current president. But I'm just saying, you know, he's he's a guy who does believe in liberty and freedom, and he also understands because of what he knows, but also the legacy of his father, doctor Ron Paul. Um. You know, he understands that this that this amount of

By the way, it's doctor Ron Paul. I know Rand's an optimologist, producer, Mark isn't is Ron Paul a doctor? Two m I imagining that I gotta gosh, sometimes I so much so much information, thank you. He was a physician. I thought so so he's doctor. He's a real doctor, not a doctor Jill by doctor, a PhD in education. New dood dud dudo. We're not good to call you doctor Jill Biden because of your PhD in education. Where were we on this? Yes, Rand Paul saying we have

to reopen the economy. The projections of what starts to happen if we continue to spend money at this rate, and really, I shouldn't say spend money, print money, that's the issue. I think a lot of people, and I've seen some analysis from Wall Street on this, a lot of people recognize that we are that those who can are sitting on the sidelines, not spending money and not investing because of the great degree of uncertainty right now.

And those who are in a tough position, they're spending the money very quickly to the government's giving them because they have no choice and it's coming up short. They don't have enough cash. That's twelve hundred dollars is not going to last people. Reopening the economy is going to be a very complicated, very challenging PSS. And that's assuming that we're all operating from the good faith position of what's best for the United States, what's best for the

country as a whole. We have to reckon with the truth that there are people right now who I think in their mind they separate out. You know, they'd say, oh, I want all life to be protected from COVID nineteen, but if the economy needs to be if the economy needs to be a little bit beat up a little bit longer so that Donald Trump loses the election, they're

okay with that. So this is where you're going to see this fight because that desire to do everything possible, as they say, if it saves one life, that theory, if it saves one life, it should be done. That will be used to shout down anyone who's pushing for reopening. And there's another another concern he or another problem that a lot of the political debate obscures right now, and that is if some states do open with the more limited mitigation measures. Remember, no state is going back to

totally normal. But if some states open with these mitigation measures in place and they don't have a spike, what then, why do we need all fifty states effectively all fifty I think it's maybe forty seven or forty eight technically, But why do we need all these states to have the shutdown orders. Why is over ninety percent of America told stay home, it can't go outside? Does does anyone

find an easy justification for that? If in fact it seems that states are able to control this on their own with much less severe mitigation measures, that's going to be a whole debate. It will also then indicate that the blame Trump campaign because he did not order the federal shutdown fast enough, may not have any any data, any merit behind him. Put aside that everybody got this

thing wrong and nobody really knew. But if states were able to on their own gage in mitigation measures that would control the virus as it continues to be a threat and continues to spread, which it will. I mean, doctor Burke said it at the top of the show. We all know there's going to be more. There are going to be more covid cas. There's no way around it.

But if it's not an overwhelming problem, and if the loss of life is not something that society cannot sustain, right, then everyone's going to turn around and say, we'll hold on a second. Was what was going on here with

these what was going on with this declaration? From on high that we have to have the shutdown, and then everyone's going to look at the pain, the alcoholism, the child abused, the loss of jobs, the loss of livelihoods, the destruction of businesses, the anxiety, the psychological pain, the depression, the durest that we're all under. And we were told was for our own good. Remember, we're told was for our own good. There's going to be a moment of

reckoning for all of that. They keep trying to tell you that the Swedish model is a disaster. It's not. It's just not true. They keep trying to tell you that we shouldn't look to other countries that did not shut down. To Japan shutdown its whole economy, No, it

did not. Why The only answer, we were led to believe, the only answer, unless you wanted just bodies in the streets, millions of people dead, The only answer was to shut down the entire eclome the first time in history that the United States has voluntarily decided to shutdown its economy. We do not do this during wars, we do not

do this during previous pandemics. And this is what our policy community settled on as the answer here, and it wasn't member, It wasn't just the They got us going with a two weeks shutdown, then they extended another month. Six weeks have shutdown. Huh, And then we get to what do we do with the second wave, the second

wave that may come. Everyone right now is trying to see the future about how bad this will be coming back in the fall, and we don't know certain things and no one's going to know them right now, like will we have better therapeutics, Will we be in a stronger position to fight the virus then than we are now based on the tools that we have. There's so much focus on testing. Where will our testing be at

that point? Now, Remember, as I've said to you, by the time that you know, no matter how good we think the testing gets, testing trace is going to be imperfect, which means there will be spread of this disease. It'll hopefully be a containable situation. But let's understand that even the people that are yelling testing, testing, testing, they accept implicitly that there will be some trade offs here, which means there will there will be people who die from

this virus because of the reopening. Even if we get to the testing levels that they declare are completely necessary. And you know, Nancy Pelosi, never helpful in any of these discussions, keeps on. She keeps repeating this mantra about science, as if that's an answer to what the science says, what exactly right? Now? Shut down forever. This is not a scientific only question. This is also a deeply political question that goes to individual rights and freedoms and the Constitution.

Here's what Pelosi says, though nonetheless play six there's a voice scout saying preparation prevents poor performance. Well, that was exactly where the president gets an f He was not properly prepared, not with the truth, with the facts, or the admission of what was happening in our country, delay

whatever its delay, denial death. Instead, we'd like him to see him insist on the truth, and we must insist on the truth with him, and that is really what should give us hope if he finally never too late. It's never too late, as I keep saying, to tell the truth, mister president, and it's never too late to do the right thing, and to pay attention to science. Science, it's science and science. This is really what liberals have been reduced to, testing, testing, testing, sied sied science just

repeating words that they think make them sound smart. You know, this is a little bit like the reduction they do about much more complicated issues like climate change. For example, do you believe in climate change? It's a stupid question, but people ask it all the time. What does it even mean? Do I believe in climate change that is real but not particularly important? Do I believe in climate change that would justify the shutdown of the global economy

in order to save the planet. Think of the span there. You know, this is like some of the modeling and oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to dig more into the models of the path. It's not just that we've gotten the wrong models for disease right now with the COVID nineteen pandemic, the models stretching the models for ebola were terribly wrong. The models for stars were terribly wrong. Just go back. The models for initial HIV infections were

very wrong. I mean, they're just the models for the Earth and the early stages of a disease are almost useless. It's like someone who gives you a range, you know, a range of well, you know, the stock market. I'm I'm predicting confidently. And I'm going to look you in the eyes right now, America, and I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna predict the stock market that the Dow will be somewhere between five thousand and thirty five thousand over the next six months. That's right. You can take that

to the bank. Is that a helpful prediction? Does that tell you how you could manage your money? And what sort of risks you'd be willing to take that would five thousand things are very bad? That would thirty five thousand things are fantastic. We must have found a cure

to this, miraculous right. But that's what you see with these disease these disease spread models that the pandemic preparedness community relies on, and it does very much affect the decision that we've had about how quickly we're willing to struct to reopen businesses. And that then brings me to some of the impediments that we see to the reopening of businesses that we've we've known they're real, we've known

they're going to happen, but now it is. Now it is becoming apparent from from what's actually happening on the ground in states across the country. What happens to a restaurant now, even if they want to bring people back, I'll walk you through that. You're in the freedom hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. I Miss McConnell likes to say we delayed the bill. No, heat delayed

the bill a two weeks ago. He came to the floor and said, this is all we're doing, just the two fifty and that Democrats were reunited House and Senate. The Senate Democrats went to the floor and said no, no, that that we have a better idea about hospitals and testing, and more funds for all of the businesses, the low lower shall we say, the unbankable small businesses. So we're very pleased that he finally came around to the fact that we had to go forward with this. So he

was the one wasting time. I say that because I keep hearing him say, are we delayed? No, he delayed. Total rewriting of history from you know, wine cooler Pelosi over here, I mean, just total crap from her. We all know. And the media, lets are get away with it. They just they pretend, oh there speak truth to power. The guardians of our democracy, the journals. You know, the fourth or state. Please, they're the worst, the worst. We all know that Pelosi was playing games. Everybody knew Pelosi

was playing games. No one says that they're not gonna have There's not a willingness to try to help out hospitals. You look, part of the shutdown problem here. Part of the issue is that hospitals are going bankrupt now, folks. People can't get normal care, and hospitals are going bankrupt all across the country with each passing day. They're going under because of the cessation of elective procedures, which when you when you look at the whole scope of elective procedures,

some of them are not really that elective. They're pretty important, pretty urgent. But also a lot of preventative medicine wont has not been occurring. I mean, just I don't even want to think about this, but I do think we have to keep it somewhere somewhere in the back of our minds. Think of all the cancer screenings, all the mammograms, all the all the analysis for early stage prostate cancer, all these things. I mean, here's a perfe example. I

haven't gone to the doctor. I mean, I haven't gone to the barber. But I haven't gone to the doctor this year to get to get checked out and have my physical and I don't know when that's going to happen. And now you might say, well, I'm a relatively young, healthy guy, and so it shouldn't be a big deal. Well what if I don't get to go for six months and I do find out that I got something

that is a big deal. Now it's not just oh look at me, it's extraplate the circumstance that each individual is dealing with over three hundred and twenty million people.

And then started thinking, okay, well, how many you know, serious diseases are being missed in this period and it's not going to end anytime soon, right the shutdowns in these hospitals, they're just beginning to get up to speed, and it's been now you know, it'll be easily six weeks going on two months of just missed medical medical action other than dealing with COVID nineteen everything else. But

people still have heart attack. There's a lot of really bad diseases and things out there that people as we had owe heart disease and cancer and lung cancer and all these things. Those still very much exist and are killing people. And we've effectively said, you know, the preventative measures that we can take in hospitals, those all get put on hold right now. Now Again they tell us

this was the only way, but hospitals are going bankrupt. Okay, So Pelosi's pretense that Republicans wouldn't give money for that as total crap. But then you also just have some of the well for Republicans, perhaps unintended, but the consequences of the rescue bill itself really interesting. Piece in the Wall Street Journal by Kurt Huffman. It's a commentary piece. Our restaurants can't reopen until August. Employees refuse to return to work as long as they're getting an extra six

hundred dollars a week. He talks about how he's trying to keep going. The goal is to survive. They're doing some takeout. This reminds me of all the restaurants in New York and the service industry employees. I think it's ten to fifteen percent of America. I think it's something like that producer Mark fact check me on that one. I think it's ten to fifteen percent of America. It's a big service industry jobs, or are huge they are a huge part of the economy, or irrespective of whether

my off the cuff number is right in line. And you know that he says this restaurants at thirty percent of the usual revenue. And here's what's going on. Quote. We started making the calls last week to our furloughed employees, but they've they've already begun receiving weekly federal pandemic unemployment compensation and checks of six hundred dollars under the Cares Act. When we ask our employees to come back, they all said no thanks. If they return to work, they'll have

to take a pay cut. The starting wage for a line cook in one of our restaurants is fifteen dollars an hour. These cooks receive at least a dollar an hour and tips, so at minimum they make sixteen dollars an hour, or six hundred and forty dollars before taxes for a forty hour week. The overwhelming majority of our laid off cooks qualified for Oregon unemployment compensation four hundred and sixteen dollars in our example based on the cook's wages.

The extra two hundred and twenty four dollars a week provides a strong incentive to return to work. But as of this week, the same employee receives a thousand and sixteen dollars a week, or three hundred and seventy six dollars more than he made as a full time employee. Why on earth would he want to come back to work. The Trump administration's talking about setting a timeline for in the country can open for business. For my business, Congress

has already locked down that date. We can open our dining rooms on August first, once the government stops paying people fifteen dollars an hour on top of standard unemployment compensation to stay home. Democrats wanted this. This is a stealth fifteen dollar minimum wage. My friends, Thanks for listening to the Bus Sesson Show podcast. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcast, the iHeartRadio app for wherever you get your podcasts. All right, team, we have a special treat today for you.

James al Tucher joins us now. He's an American hedge fund manager, author, podcaster, entrepreneur. He's founded over twenty companies, and he's host of the James Altucher podcast. Mister al Tucher, Hello, sir, but so happy to be on your show up and I've been listening ever since, back when you're at the Blaze. Wowho is that? That is a high compliment. That's like I left the Blaze four years ago. So yeah, I started almost ten years ago now, so it's been a

while man. But thank you so much for joining us. I know you, like me, are in NYC. Your background book selection that I can see here is more impressive than mine, which indicates great. Your square footage in your apartment. So lucky you, because I'm going stirred and crase you over here. But how are you? First off, how are you doing in lockdown? You know? For me personally, I don't like going outside. I don't like traveling. I had all sorts of trips scheduled for March and Abril, and

I was very happy to cancel them. I was going to Austin, Houston, California, Florida, DC, Winnipeg. All the trips are canceled. I'm so grateful, but I do every day. Just I don't know what it is. I just you know, just like you, I've been reporting and covering this economic lockdown and of course the virus, and it's just horrible. The effect on society is so much suffering from you know, of course, of course the virus, but also the economic

shutdowns effects three hundred million people. And you know, this is the world's biggest economy, seven billion people around the world, And so you know, I think we all, no matter how we are personally, we all feel we've heard anxiety of nobody's working, nobody's producing, everyone's scared, everyone's anxious, and you know, no one is no one could depend themselves from that. No matter rich or or sacred healthy, you're going to feel the anxiety of the world and moments

like this. How do you think our leadership so far has has responded to this? Where do you think the balance is. There's obviously the virus in the economy. It feels like there's been a shift to the recognition that the economy can't just be something that we stick in the deep freezer until we decide to thaw it out. What do you think about what we've done so far

with this nationwide lockdown? Are you following what Europe has done, what different cases have been like there with the nation state level, what Sweden has done in their approach, and how do you gauge all that? Yeah, Buck, it's a good question. I've been following everything on up to members. I've actually talked to members of the Federal Reserve. The other day I was talking to the deputy chairman of the stave O SPAN. I've talked to economists like Tyler

Cohen from Marginal Revolution, other economists. I've talked to the top epidemiologists and immunologists at Imperial College, which was the first one out of all the kind of doom and gloom UH scenarios and mathematical novels. So I've been a little all over the place just trying to figure it out for my own audience. And I think, I think, you know, the economy is not a light switch. You can't turn it off and then turn it on three months later expecting it's just gonna it's gonna be just

as glowing as it was before. We've done something disastrous here. And you know, you mentioned a lot of countries. Every single country and play, every every single state in the United States has had a different strategy for dealing with this. And we look at countries like Suiten or the Czech Republic or Taiwan, three different countries, three different strategies. None of them did a lockdown. All of them have their economy returning full force and didn't need, you know, the

full stimulus that we needed. And I think it's a shame that we did this economic lockdown when there was absolutely no data to support it. Sure, by the way, and this is this is sort of sacrilegious to say, I'm not even so sure there's data to support social distancing, Like you mentioned Sweden. Maybe it's just that they naturally social distance because they don't really like each other that much. But they didn't social distance and they're they're coming back fun.

It's not it's not like they were great, and it's not like they were bad. They weren't the worst in Europe, but they weren't the best. But I think I think this pandemic kind of has its natural course. I mean you probably remember, like an early February, some of the initial mathematical models, we're even saying up to one hundred forty million deaths worldwide, which was insane, Like you know, this is Singaporean total had I don't know, less than a thousand m. You have to say this again, it's

like religion. Every death is horrible. We have to acknowledge that. But you know, people die every day from all sorts of causes. So just setting that aside for a second, it does up here that even the early data from all the initial countries that we were in that the virus was in, the early data was suggesting this virus doubles exponentially three or four times and then starts to peak and flatten. There was no way it was gonna

have a two percent fatality rate World one. And now all these recent tests Santa Clara, California, Chelsea in Massachusetts, other tests are showing that they can te the infectiousness of this is probably fifty to eighty five times worse than we thought, or greater than we thought, which means that the ultimate fatality rate is much lower. The higher the infection rate, the lower the fatality rate. Will probably look at zero point one to zero point three percent

fatality rate in order. In other words, you know, a flute similar to a flue season of course that you're not allowed to say. Also, this is similar the flue, It's not similar to the flue. The flu affects children and kills children. This is affecting elderly's, two different demographic groups. So what that means is on the hospitals. Is that if you end up on a ventilator from this, if

you're elderly, you end up spending more days on the ventilator. Hence, if we were going to if the hospitals were going to be overwhelmed, it could have caused a problem. But obviously they weren't overlap whelmed and so that didn't happen. And now they're saying, well, it's because we enacted social distancing principles who we don't really know, and some states that didn't really do anything have barely any cases or deaths.

So you know, to treat every state as if, oh my gosh, you're not even allowed to go to the grocery store, you know, or else you're going to die. That's just ridiculous. And now now question is we're not coming back to a new normal. We're coming back to a new abnormal. This has never happened before. And the stimulus has been trillions of dollars more than we even did in the massive stimulus in two thousand and eight, two thousands. So what do you foresee that doing, James,

what do you see that doing to the economy? I mean, we're now seeing hundreds of billions of dollars thrown into congressional spending bills. We can't even keep up with it. I mean it was a couple it was a few trillion dollars, and now they've added it was going to be two hundred and fifty billion, and then it was three hundred billion, and now it's close to half a trillion. You know, four hundred something billion was the final tally. And Chuck Schumer's already saying there's going to be at

apart three or apart four to this whole thing. At what point have we how do we know as a government, as a country we've spent too much money? What does

that feel like? What does that look like? Yeah, that's a great question because because there's going to be of a point, it's not likely in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, where there wasn't a sudden afore and after, like it wasn't like the economy was bad in two thousand and eight and then as soon as the stimulus was passed and it was good, it was it was the economy never was closed then, So the economy went from bad to having some stimulus to them

becoming good. But right now we're all being forced all literally at gunpoint, like they'll arrest you if you don't if you if you, you know, go outside without a mask, or don't obey proper social distancing. So sooner or later they're going to reopen the economy all across the US, and then at the same time, the stimulus is going to be hitting. We've never had an experience like that where everybody sort of walks out of their home and sees daylight and money is just showering down from the sky.

And of course there's a risk of hyper inflation. But right now we're in a deflationary period because there's zero demand. So the price of pretty much everything now is between twenty to one hundred percent and below what it was. So we're in a massive deflationary scenario that's been forced on us. But it's going to change as soon as we leave and as soon as economy reopens. We don't really know what prices are going to look like now.

To your point, on a macroeconomic level, the fortunate thing we have, it's both fortunate and unfortunate, but there's such huge demand for the US dollar. The US dollar is the flight to safety for the wealthy in China, the wealthy in the Middle East, the wealthy in Europe. That that keeps naturally our interest rates low, and it keeps people buying other countries buying our debt, so that sort

of avoids too much inflationary pressure. But an economy is only as good as the goods and services it produces. People pay for those goods and services and dollars, and that's why the dollar is valuable because advise us goods

and services. But ultimately, if you're just going a trillion dollars a month out there and you're not producing any goods and services, sooner or later everyone's in around and say, well, why are we Why are we giving so many of munch of our currents get a dollar, the dollars sort of worthless. Now, what will avoid that the story of the economy reopens the better. Every month we wait, the economy comes closer and closer to the twilight zone where

we don't really understand what's going to happen next. If the economy would open this morning, we can probably start to guess what industries are going to fail, what industries are going to succeed, and we'll come back to some sort of normal. The short term stimulus will kick in. That's the direct to your bank account, twelve hundred dollars checks that are going to everybody, and the p P loans that are going to small businesses. That's the short

term stimulus. The long term stimulus is the FED rate cuts and now I'll kick in. Let's stay within twelve months. So we have short and long term stimulus that will beep up the economy. And the whope is that we didn't miscalculate and rely on the kindness of others too much to support our dollar, and you know, hopefully the economy comes back and tact. James, I want to come back and talk about how this situation is changing, not

just obviously the economy, but life going forward. We mentioned, you know, the new abnormal or what's and I want to also take a look back and see what have we learned about life, perhaps that we used to think was true that was not. I saw a thread you had on this I thought was really interesting. We'll come back with James al Tutor, podcaster, author, entrepreneur, investor. In just a second, you're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Okay, we're back with James Altucher.

He is a hedge fund manager, author, podcaster, book and his book Choose Yourself and many books, many podcasts, many things. Mister mister al Tucher, Jack of all trades, James of all trades, Yeah, Dilton everything, master of nothing. Yeah. Well we have the same first name technically, so that that speaks well to you. So let me let me ask about what you had A threat. I found really interesting and I think some of these some of this audience is really going to agree with it, and they're gonna

probably going to disagree with someone. But that's great. We like we like to spark ideas here and spark debate myths that we have learned as a function of this lockdown, myths about ourselves and about society. I just what are some of the myths, you know, the top ones, I know, I get a whole bunch. Well, I think that I think there was this myth that we have to be

in a location to work or to learn. Like look, you know, it's clear now the tide has come in and the first institution post group of institution standing naked are institutions of higher learning. Colleges like colleges were charging seventy thousand a year, and suddenly they said, oh, by the way, we were you could just go home and learn by yourselves. Well, we're keeping the money. Don't worry

about it. You'll get your degree, but just go home and play with your little friends, bother your parents, get your grandparents sick. You get out of the dorm rooms, by the way, because we don't want your petrie dish of disease affecting our dorm rooms. But don't ask for your rent back because that money is ours now business one on one. We took that money from you, and possession is nine tenths of the law. So I don't know, Like everybody's leaving college and the supposing course online. I've

seen some of these online courses. I would rather take a course for ten dollars on Corsarah or LinkedIn Learning orcan Academy. Like, why did anybody pay seventy thousand a year for four years to learn to get a degree? That says, oh, I learned East Asian studies, Like it's particulous. Well, well, they're credential they're really credentialing their credentialing programs, which is especially I think that's been better known for a long time about some of the more flimsy master's programs in

the humanities. But now people are realizing, well, it's like an arms race, right If everybody has a four year liberal arts degree of some kind, the value in the marketplace of just having that degree is not the same as it used to be. No. I mean in this already you're seeing, you know, skills and ideas are the currency of the twenty first century, not a degree from whatever, you know school. And I'm gonna talking right up to Harvard.

Like Harvard, there's always a credential ang where there's some status things, so other people who they did their higher status will hire you. But Harvard they just took they have a forty one billion dollars endowment, you know, until they were kind of caught, right, and they they took nine million dollars from the last stimulus package, supposedly to give to students leading financial Trump says they're going to give it back. By the way, he said that earlier

the week. Guess what the head of the Harvard endowment makes per year? He makes Guess what nine million dollars. Oh, it's a payment protection program. Let's protect the pay of one employee guy who runs all of our money. So it's just you know, that's that's a big em And then there is the myth that you can't work remotely and be productive. You know, right now, I think anything with the word of remote in it is going to be supercharged. And there's both upside and downside to that.

We're going to be able to be more flexible about our work hours, more flexible about where we work, more flexible about travel. But at the same time, you have to ask, what's going to happen to commercial real estate? And by the way, not that we have to care that much, but everything in the economy is linked. So we Work clearly is going to go out of business after this, Like there they are bankrupt and soft Bank

hold the plot on funding. So we were is the biggest lee se I don't know what you call it. They rent the most wars in New York City of any other company. So if you own a skyscraper in New York City and you're heavily leveraged and you have to make your own mortgage payments, and WE Work suddenly disappears and they rented eight floors in your building, you might be out of business. You can't just replace them the next day with a renter. So and that's we were.

And then there's all the restaurants store funds. Not every restaurant is coming back to business in urban areas and maybe all over the country. So this you know, ten million restaurants on average day at sixteen days of cash in the bank. Restaurants are out of business in this country right now. And so now, yes they'll be helped by the stimulus package, but guess what. The stimulus package at least initially went to the Shape Shacks and Ruth Chris steakhouses of the world. And this mom and pop

small restaurants are out of business. I know because all the go fund I own a local store park business in New York City. All I see all the local goal fund these being you know, from the employees of all the different restaurants and business restaurants, but that you and I have even been to, and there are a lot of business So what are going to happen to those buildings? We're no longer getting in fifteen to twenty thousand dollars in rent a month that those restaurants were getting.

So commercial real estate is gonna collapse. And we're gonna have like a mini financial collapse after we reopened the economy just on the basis of that. So, you know, I think I think a lot of things are going to be both good in that, you know, will reopen the economy, people will have an opportunity to really decide what they want to do. They've probably changed habits so they didn't spend as much, they they go out as much.

Hopefully they'll start spending and going out again, but some people won't and that might be a good thing for them. But the other thing is, you know, it's gonna be quickly everything that was going to eventually happen, like they denies. Yeah, they've accelerated. They've accelerated to clean the cleaning out of a lot of the economy in ways that's gonna be very tough. Everybody. James al Tutor podcast or author. Check out a show that James al Tutor Show and we're

back in a second. Thanks for listening to The Bus Sesson Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. It is time for roll Call. Thank you so much everybody for writing it. I always appreciate it. It helps us out to hear from all of you across the country and let us know what's what's going on with all of the things all of you, so as always, thank

you so much for that. Let's get to it, shall we. Well, first of all, let's check in with our friend, producer Mark, Producer Mark, how are you doing? What's What's at the top of the Netflix queue? How's how's life in the penalty box? But the home penalty box. There's a lot of questions there. I'm not really sure how to how to go there. Yeah, you just you take him as as you as they call me, take them as you want. I'm doing well, you know, I'm into a routine of

doing absolutely nothing and then coming and doing the show. Right. Thank god, we actually have a show to do every day. I mean, I've always been thankful for this show. But like, if I wasn't doing this, let's let's say that, you know, there was a government ban on all home media for some reason, which would be crazy, but I'm just saying if nobody was allowed to work from home, even doing

media stuff, I would I'd go nuts, man. I would have read three or four books in the first like week or two of quarantine, and then I would have just been I don't know. There's only so much cooking you can do to do too, because I cook food that's to issues and then I want to eat it and I'm going to turn into job of the Buck. So they're limitations. Yeah, I'm going nuts. Even with spending what eight hours or so on the show every day, it feels like you consume my life now, Buck, it's

all I do. I know. I know you can say a priest of Mark, I complete you. I'm not going that far. Buck. It's all right with Tululah. Man. I gotta say, I've never been so thankful to have a little a little furry, a little furry companion. You know, it's just nice to have. I mean, if I didn't have her, all I've got here is a plant. Uh and it's not a it's not a plant that I think is you know, gonna be hopefully it lasts through this pandemic. I'm not great at keeping a plant alive.

The dog, I'm very good at feeding because if I don't, she she lets me know that my culinary efforts are not up to par. And no one will think you're going crazy because you're talking to the dog, not to yourself. That's that's true too. I mean I do talk to the dog a lot. Now, I will say that occasionally, I have to make sure that the mic is often here because I find myself making up songs to sing

to the dog. Like that's how you know those old videos where they got guys who were in prison, and they'll be like, you know, twenty five bottles of beer on the wall. You know, there's all that. I'm kind of a dad phase, except I'm singing songs to the dog just out of curiosity. Do you think I just sit here in my living room and listen to see if I can hear you all day? No, but I'm just paranoid. If anybody heard me singing, they'd be like, I think this guy's out of his mind. It's a

good point. I'd be more worried about your neighbors than the microphone though. Yeah, that's that's that's definitely true. Um, you know the neighbors that I've got a neighbor upstairs and he does cough sometimes, and I'll tell you this, I hear that cough and I go, oh boy, oh boy, cough For a loud basse from upstairs because I have

the basse problem. What is it with people not understanding the bass travels right through floors and walls and ceilings, and someone very disruptive like I have a sound bar. I turned the bass off because I didn't want to annoy my neighbors. I will tell you that I had a very terset exchange with the neighbor in the Freedom Hut, or he's a neighbor to the Freedom Hut, I should say. And I had to go downstairs, and initially he wanted me to do the whole well was it just loud

ten minutes ago or twenty minutes ago? And I just was like, dude, it's too blanking loud. I don't want to have to come down here again. You know. It's one of those conversations. So yeah, I'd just let my landlord deal with it. It's probably and right now I don't want to go talk to random people, you know, with a mask on all that. Yeah, I mean, I really, I I'm just lucky that he didn't probably look at me and say, oh, I'm sorry my music was too loud. It's all he said. All you have to do right

now are running I'm gonna say that. Look, if someone comes up to you on the street, especially in New York, because we're not really allowed to be armed at all, which is appalling, but we're not. If someone comes up to you on the street and they say, you know, give me all your money, you you let off a real, a real hacking cough in their face. Well hopefully if they they don't want to do this they have a gun,

because that might end up very badly. But they're they're just threatening to like beat you up, they'll probably run away. I wouldn't. I wouldn't fight somebody who was coughing right now. I don't care what the circumstances were. I don't think i'd fight somebody who was coughing period anytime, Yeah, but particularly now. Yes, all right, Graham rights on the subway spread thesis, which makes sense to me? Are we seeing? Oh? Yes, Graham. This was written about, by the way, last Wednesday in

the New York Post. That is actually where the story was broken. Just in case any of you were wondering. It was a New York Post story about an MIT study, and I cited the author here on the show, and I thank I want a hat tip and thank the New York Post for putting that story out there so that we could all use the spread this academic research far and wide in a way that is useful for the national and ongoing conversation. So high five New York

Post hat tip. But yes, you're right. Are we seeing similar issues in San Francisco or other cities with high utilization of public transit? Chicago, Seattle, etc. I know, no US city really comparison to New York City, but aren't there a few that kind of do? We are not seeing it yet what I understand, But remember, the New York City Subway is in a category by itself. When you look at the numbers and the frequency of ridership,

there's nothing that's even close across the nation. I mean, it really is between it's a few million rides a day, a few million. Think about that. It's someone like me for a while there at the beginning of this year, I was in the subway four times a day. I mean, producer Mark will tell you I was actually on the subway four separate trips a day. So we because because if you try to drive around Manhattan, if you if you're on any kind of a time crunch schedule, you're

just going to sit in traffic all day. I mean, I've for hits for a different cable, for cable news shows. I'll tell you a little bit of insidery stuff. You know, they send a I mean, this isn't like cool insidery stuff, but they'll send a car for you. Usually that's the one perk if you're unpaid, which most of the people you see on TV are not by these big cable networks, or a lot of the people I should say are not. The host obviously are, and the correspondence are. If they

call someone a contributor, that means they're getting paid. If you're just a guest, they're like, hey, it's buck, let's let talk. But you know, you could sit in a car from my from my house to Fox News, you can walk in fifteen minutes or so, or you could sit in a car and it might take it thirty minutes to get there, maybe forty. I mean, it's really can mean you could just get stuck and stuck. So that's why it runs on the subway all the time.

I have not seen any data looking at other cities and their spread, but I just know off the top of my head that there's nowhere else. I mean, the DC Metro is like a tiny fraction of the New York City metro system. And because it's a tiny fraction, you have to remember the dead. You know that that MIT study published in the New York Post was pointing out that it's it's about the density on the subway car as well as the duration of the subway ride. Then look, maybe the theory is wrong, and you know

what I'll do. I'm gonna look around. I'm sure there's some theories now trying to debunk it out there, and maybe it is debunked in some way. But it certainly makes sense when you look at the hotspots. And I've been talking about the subway along as a major problem here, and there's a reason why producer Mark and I both started stand off a mass transit when this thing really spiral out of control. But so the instagram is I gonna look into it. I I don't have a good

answer for you, JJ. I just want to say something about the whole snitch sitch in Garcettiville. As of a year ago, the city of Los Angeles was running a one billion dollar deficit, Yet somehow he thinks he can afford to pay people to rat on those who aren't properly social distancing. I mean, the taxes on pot sales are approximately fifty percent, but I have no idea how

he intends to put this bill. Also, I don't know if you have heard about this, but Garcetti has simply started taking over hotel properties and using them for the homeless. I have heard about that. Furthermore, Comrade Newsome, I like this guy JJ. Comrade Newsome has also started shaming other cities and counties for not following his example. While I lived near Los Angeles, the hotel I work at, thankfully is still in Orange County and has not yet been

endangered by this reckless, fiscally irresponsible policy. Given that the situation does not fall under eminent domain, How can Garcetti or anyone else justify this seizure of property? Who will pay to have the hotel staff and police, who will pay to have the properties deep cleaned and sanitized sterilized if they can actually evict the homeless squatters after the crisis abates. I'm a born and raised Californian, but I am seriously fed up. Sadly, I'm not in a position

financially to be able to move. But we'll definitely start a fun toward that goal as soon as maybe. Well, JJ, you've always got a home in the hut, my friend. Great, great note, Thank you so much for writing into us. And I don't have answer. You're asking great questions. I don't have answers. I don't pretend unlike some other smarmy, self important and nasty radio hosts, I don't pretend to have all the answers. I just have a lot of them.

And as for Garcetti and how he's gonna justify this, we're seeing a lot of government power that's taken into people's hands right now. We're The only justification is because I said so. That should be troubling for people. That's a troubling precedent for the government to set, isn't it. We should think of this and think of what it really means when the government can do that. It is a concern that we should all share. You're in the Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast.

All right, more roll call justin Hey there, Bucking Mark. The interview with Jack Carr the other day got me thinking of comments you've made several times buck, you really need to get your pistol permit Livy in Massachusetts. I know it's not always an easy process, but that is definitely by design. Like so many other lib tactics, they actually use the process as the punishment. Suck it up and get it done. You'll thank me later, I promise.

Stay healthy and safe in lockdown. Justin, you're one hundred percent correct, and I don't have a good excuse. My excuse is that the process is the punishment. I can tell you that when I moved from DC to New York this past summer, I did print out the New York City still permit application and was and then I just got distracted and I was like, I don't have time for this right now. But I mean I've been thinking about it. I know people who have successfully done it.

It is possible. It's really just a premise. Permit to get your concealed carry here is very complicated and not easy to do and usually gets denied unless you're connected, unless you're somebody who's you know, hooked up. So yeah, uh,

that's where that's where it's out, my friend. You're correct, Justin, I should I should have a pistol permit here in New York City, and when I do, which won't really be able to happen because I'm not I don't think I'm gonna wait in a long line at one Police Plaza right now to although maybe there are no lines at one Police Maybe it's like the easiest time ever. One Police Plaza is the big NYPD headquarters here. It looks like something that was built as like the KGB's

interrogation headquarters. It's the ugliest, ugliest building you've ever seen in your life. Definitely not our deco as our Tribeca headquarters for I Hard Media is, which producer Mark pointed out sometime go because he's apparently on the side an architecture enthusiast. Yeah, big architecture enthusiast, even though the only architecture I see right now is the inside of my apartment building. Well, what do you do you have any kind of a yeah, gotta you gotta view? Can you see?

Can you see water? So? Yeah, there's like a swamp, and so do you have do you have meadow lands kind of you you know that, yeah, metal lands type of view. And I can get a lot of train horns. You would be you would be driven nuts because there's a train horner in every five to ten minutes. When I lived in college, I I when I where I was in college for one year was fifty yards from an active railroad track. And you know why they blow the horn? There's no gate crossing here. It drives me nuts. Yeah,

I don't, I don't know. They just do it. I guess, you know. I look, if you're a train engineer, and I'm sure like everything, there's always like a train engineer list, there's always somebody who's an actual expert on whatever I'm talking about. Listening to this show. Um, I'll never forget when I like miss when I misidentified an aspect of like Wiccan theology, I got a long email about that. Not messing with the Wickens. Lee folks are all great.

Just I just didn't know. But you know, the a train engineer, I feel like, if you're the train engineer, come on, you know you're gonna want to go, you know, man, you know, it's it's like being a it's you know what you and you ask a trucker to hit the horn for you when you're a kid, you know, to do the big horn whatever? You what do you call that thing. I don't know, the horn or just the horn. Yeah, yeah,

you know, that's I think. If you're a train engineer, you just want to let it rip right, sure, but can you do it somewhere else? Again, it's the busiest corridor of rail travel in the country, But you know, do it somewhere else, not in near an apartment building. You may or may not. I think I've talked to this before here, but you may. I don't know that I've gone on. I've gone deep down the rabbit hole of why we have backup machine sound all over the country.

This you know, beep beep beep. Now we all have to hear all the time, and sometimes it'll be for like the equivalent of like an door Zamboni machine or something. It's going like three miles an hour. No one's going to get hit by this thing, but they still have

to because of the ocean. It's an OSHA regulation Occupational Safety Hazard Administration, or whatever the actual acronym is, And it stretches back to the seventies when someone came up with this idea that we all have to have these noisemakers. Do you know what ends up happening in most cases? When someone actually is is hit by a car or a truck that's backing up. You know what, They find out that the person heard the noise, but they're seriously

hearing it. They didn't pay attention, so it doesn't matter. This is this is anyway, I'll never forget. When I was in college, this kid was a hero. This kid was a hero when I was in college. They because Amherst was very progressive and very left wing. And I lived right right on the town Green there, so I lived near the train tracks one time. Then I lived near the town Green, which was very fancy, but it was all college housing. But I mean, it was the

nice part of the college to live in. But there was a cross a crosswalk thing that would do the like you have twenty seconds to cross nineteen eighteen. It was the dumbest thing and it would go twenty four second. That elite makes sense because blind people need to be able to cross the street. Ah. Now I feel like Seinfeld when he's saying that, you know, college thanks. Now

I feel like a jerk. But I'm just saying I remember some kids and I'm sure they were hungover, and you know they and it was you know, or actually they were drunk, not hungover, but it was the middle of the night. I remember seeing them from my window and I knew who they were. They were lacrosse players

to this. Well, this one kid, actually the other kid was standing in the corner and he ran across the street with a golf putter and just just maul the little you know you have nineteens, like just just bashed the thing in. It was like, whoa, So the lax bros. Oh, the lax bros are crazy, crazy bunch. But man, I slept so much better for the few weeks it took them to actually come back with you know, town services to fix that thing. It was fantastic, fantastic and a

bunch of people couldn't cross the street. There were no fatalities in the crosswalk. There were like ten people living in the town. But yeah, now I didn't think about thanks produiser, Mark, I didn't think about that aspect of it. All Right, Bill, sir, where will you be in North Carolina for your speech? I would like to attend and pass the word amongst my people really enjoy your show. Bill the speech, assuming that we're allowed to hold it by state regulation, which we think we will, but that

is that is an if. Right now, We'll be in Craven County, Craven County, North Carolina, So that's where I'll be giving a speech and I hope everybody will show up. Craven County GOP will be hosting, and we're just gonna be quite an event. Man. We're gonna oh, We're gonna let it rip. That night, Eric Buck reading Porter's article in American Consequences left me reminiscing on early investiment hour episode.

Still a great show with Dan Ferris, but to be honest, the Porter Buck combo was about as epic as podcast. Get any chance you could get Porter on for an interview, Eric, I'm gonna tell you this is the truth. During this show and one and one of our breaks, I got a text from my man, Porter Stansbury, because you know we talk all the time, and I said, Porter, we gotta get you on this show. So the answer is yes, and I'm not I swear I got it before you even asked. So we must have some kind of mind

meld here or something. We'll get Porter Stansbury on and we'll do a longer form with him too. I hope you've all been producer mark. Where should people go to hear the podcast extras to watch our videos, Please tell them where to promote the things. The podcast extras are the same place you get this podcast. It'll come into the same RSS feeds, so everywhere iTunes excuse me, Apple Podcast, our radio app, Spotify, all that, and on YouTube it'll be YouTube dot com, slash Buck Sexum there we go.

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