How Much Worse Can It Get

the Future of talk radio, buck Sexton. If your comments this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak, Danilosh, I want you to know that we will support your two children in the way that we will not you will not n Alright, Please just keep the money out of Rubio, okay, if he wants to run again. Am I supposed to have a kevlar vest? Am I supposed to strap it to my leg or put it in my desk? You just told this group of people that

you are standing up for them. You're not standing up for them until so I don't left. I want to thank Dana Lash of the n r A and also Sheriff Scott Israel for being here to listen to your questions. Why do we come back? Welcome to the buck Sex and show everybody. It was a debacle last night, As I knew it would be. The CNN forum on gun control. Senator Marker Rubio showed up. I don't really know what

he thought he was accomplishing. He was there, and n RA a spokesperson Dana lash my former colleague at the Blaze um and uh. I think very highly of Dana and she did a uh an excellent job, particularly under the circumstance this last night, trying to just give the facts, I mean, make the case, yes, but also just keep the discussion based in reality. And you saw so much last night, didn't you. If you, if you didn't get a chance to watch it, you'll know enough for me

talking about it. Really, I can't advocate you spend an hour of your time. It was. It was a gun control show trial. It was. It was the worst kind of media political theater. People assembled were rude, they were nasty, they were jeering. They even at one point called Dana a murderer. Let me answer the question. Let me answer the question. You can shout me down when I'm finished, but let me answer m this question. It is not

federal law for state. And if you heard it there in the backgro someone and shouting out, you're a murderer. How is how is the spokesperson for a group that represents five million execut Amendment supporters a murderer? It's It's defies logic and sense and reason. It's just it's a slander. It's a slender. And yet if you watch what happened last night, you see that it was really instructive. Actually, it is something that was important for us to see

because the way this goes is pretty straightforward. Um that they will they say they don't want to band guns. Right, there's a tragedy. They say they don't want to band guns. And then they say, come on, let's let's this is a tragedy. It's so sad. We want to defend the children. Let's be reasonable. Let's be reasonable. Okay, let's talk. And then that gets to talking, and it gets to the well, what works and what doesn't and what are we willing to what tradeoffs are we willing to make with regard

to liberty and rights for possible security? And it quickly goes from be reasonable. Let's talk to Actually, we want to band guns, and you better agree with us or else here for child murder. It happens every time. It happens every times, right out of the playbook. Come on, just we we we just want solutions. We want solutions. Okay, that won't let's talk solutions that won't solve it. Oh you're you're in favor of child murder. It's despicable. It's despicable.

The only difference this time around is that the media has students, both from the high school that suffered the terrible tragedy, but also students just more broadly, a student movement to be the vanguard of all of this, the student movement that gives them some degree of protection from criticism. That's the whole reason the mainstream media goes out there are victims, That's the whole reason they put them forward, because they want to advance policy ideas with the shield

of victimhood in front of them. So you're not allowed to say, well, that's a bad idea, because then you're a bad person. And we saw this last night the mask dropped over at CNN. Although no one thinks that CNN is anything other than an an anti gun political action committee for all intents and purposes. Um. There are a few other things I wanted to know here, and one of them is that what we are seeing is

the truth of the anti gun movement. What you saw last night in this CNN fiasco, UM, is that this is really a vicious and emotional topic because the left progressives have a disdain for the kind of people who own guns. This is cultural tribalism masquerading as urgent social policy. This is we we have to do this now. We have to do this now to save the children. Well, that won't save the children. You don't care about children, You evil, monstrous hillbilly who likes guns. That's the way

the exchange goes. What happens each time we revisit this issue. But one of the differences now, as I said, is that there is a student movement that is being pushed forward by the meeting at the forefront of US. They're raising money, they are politically active. They're talking about a major march along the lines of the Women's March in d C. They want to have a march I think in the month of March, and they've named their movement. We haven't talked about that yet um. But they have

a name for the movement, never again. We are told I saw a New Yorker piece that said that they call it never again because one of the students who was at the school just came up with that on his own. Possibly, it's also not an accident that that

is the term that is being used. You'll notice You'll notice that with the two major named political movements of the anti Trump or the well the Trump administration, with the anti Trump era, one is the resistance or hashtag resistance, which is clearly supposed to link the efforts of the anti Trump left with the anti fascist efforts of the French underground during the Nazi occupation of France. That's why they call it the resistance or a lot of resistance

or whatever, the resistance. That's why they chose the term. That's why hashtag resistance is the way that they brand themselves. Now. Never again is also not accidental. Never again generally has for most people, evokes the promise of never again after

the Holocaust. In fact, never again, as a term which is generally associated with the Holocaust, first appeared or was first noted by the historian Raoul Hilberg, who said that after the bucin Vould concentration camp was liberated in April of n by US forces, one should note that there were handmade signs that the inmates there upon their release,

created and put up never again, never again. That was at buck involved, and that was after the Nazi exteriment after the Second World War, which killed fifty million or so and eleven million exterminated in the death the death camps, six million of them Jews. So never again has a very powerful connotation. It's very powerful slogan, very powerful phrase with a deep, deep history attached to it, and that is why that it's been chosen now for this movement

at this point in time. I will leave it to you to decide whether this is uh, you know, the calls to ban semiomatic rifles, or or whether the the n r A, which is supposed to be the enemy in this is somehow in any way, there's there's a

there's a parallel the Nazi Germany here. It seems to me like that's this could be taken for um, this could be politicized in ways that are just damaging to any conversation, and that may in fact be the point right, any moral, decent person is immediately repulsed by and feels revulsion um when just thinking about the Holocaust. And in this case, yes, any decent, moral person is repulsed by

a mass shooting at a school. But the way that the term will be applied is that this is the movement of never again with the moral authority of those who opposed the Holocaust. In this case, they're opposing school shootings. But if the n r A or anyone else stands against them, you see, then they're opposed to never again. If the n r A doesn't do what they say, then they're opposed to never again, which, as we know, evokes memories of and the thoughts of the Holocaust. And

that is why it has been chosen. Um. Given that we're talking about gun control right now, I think it's important that we understand the terminology that everyone is using, and I think it's important that we understand the facts. So uh, we have seen what they really want here. Last night there was cheering. There was cheering even when Marco Rubio mentioned the possibility of or what would happen if you try to ban the air fifteen as you

would ban semi automatic rifles across the board, cheering. They want that's what they really want to do. Oh, they cheer for that. There was booing when Danta last tried to be respectful and answer each one of their questions. You see, It's it's not that the Second Amendment side of this debate is unwilling to meet them on the battle field of ideas, so to speak. It's not that the Second Amendment side shirks away from any of this.

Quite the contrary. It's that we are faced within emotional movement that does not really particularly care all that much about what the facts are of the pole sees that they promote and the things they want. They just know it feels right. It must be right because hashtag never again. Kevin Williamson over at National Review wrote the following I thought this really got to the heart of this point

today quote. Our progressive friends enjoy boasting of their purportedly evidence based approach to social problems, but when it comes to firearms, it is pure culture camp for cultural culture fight. Firearms, in their view, are an atavistic enthusiasm for rural primitives and right wing militia nuts, a hobby that must be tolerated if only barely because of some vestigial eighteenth century political compromise. That's really how the left us gun control.

That's really how the left use the Second Amendment. I've been saying it to you for quite some time here, and that that scene informed last night. We saw it. We had adults being snied and dismissive and and hateful toward individuals who literally are there to have a conversation

with them about this. I will also note that when you compare the listening session that President Trump had at the White House with that CNN forum last night, As I've been telling you, one side of this issue at least wants to discuss it and be serious about it. The other wants to make it into a food fight, wants to turn this into some kind of royal rumble where everyone gets to just beat up on the big bad and r A. We will talk a bit more

about where the policy stands. The Trump administration is saying that stuff is gonna happen, and there's more they've added today. In fact, there's something they just talked about right before we came on air. I'm seeing here, so this is not gonna be we just move on and forget about this. I think we're heading for some changes here. We should talk about what those maybe and what it will mean if they are in fact enacted. UM, that's all coming up, so stay with me. I have an appalling update for

all of you. UM, I have I have breaking news here. Literally just hit just hit the Washington Post as we are on air, and I was just talking to guys about this in here, and we are just jaws on the ground. You have got to be kidding me. The armed sheriff's deputy who was on the grounds of the Marjorie Douglas High School shooting went and occurred, took up a position outside the school, and never when inside. You've

got to be kidding me. The armed sheriff's deputy new dozens and dozens of rounds fired, one after another, reload reload, minutes, passing defensive position, armed, never went inside the building. OK. Cowardice isn't just on the battlefields, my friends. Sometimes cowardice can happen here at home to right. Sometimes people just don't have it in him. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. Uh as is just how much worse can it get? From the law enforcement experience.

How much worse is it gonna get. Look, I've I've got career law enforcement in my family, as you know, I spent did a toward the n y P. I'm just I'm not trying to beat up on law enforcement in general here, but in this case, in this instance, FBI doesn't follow up on the tip. They had to apologize today local law enforcement. That sheriff last night at the CNN for him pouncing on the n r A all over Dana Lash. She's a politician. He was calling

for gun control right away. Didn't have any answers for the dozens of calls that were made to police. They showed up. And now we find out that the armed resource officer at the Marjorie Douglas High School took a quote defensive position outside and never went inside the frigging building while kids were getting massacred inside. And he had to know, bang bang bang, he's outside, Okay, adrenaline, bang bang, he's outside, Okay, they're kids inside. People are dying, people

losing their lives, people are bleeding out. Maybe freezes for ten seconds, maybe freeze or fifteen. That's ten or fifteen, a lot longer than any of us any of us would want. But look, we're all human, right. Three minutes. Three minutes never went inside the building. I didn't think, hey, I've got this gun for a reason. I didn't think, hey, there are going to be dozens of kids who never see their parents again unless I actually go and take action.

They were holding this by the way, they had to be. They were holding this information. They had to wait until the narratives were in place, and to wait until a few days week and past. Because my god, what are we to make of this? FBI apologizing for a massive

foul up. Local law enforcement looking in this case, inept, incapable of doing anything, couldn't have had more tips, more red flags about the shooter, and then during the actual shooting, During the actual shooting, this this guy never went inside. Sheriff Israel suspended school resource deputy Scott Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the park Land, Florida school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter

was inside and attacking. Quote. What I saw was a deputy arrived at the west side of Building twelve, take up a position and never went in. Sheriff is Reel said, Folks not that the deputy went in late. It's not that the deputy froze for a moment, never went inside the building. By the way, it might also be why the shooter, cruise was found a mile from the school, was able to walk away, almost got away. We've got

to talk more about this. Stay with me. So we're just dealing with the breaking news here that happened while we're on air that the armed deputy at the school did nothing while the slaughter happened inside. Marjorie Douglas hi waited outside, just didn't didn't do anything, and they saw it on video and they have it on video. Wow. You know one thing that we've seen here in this whole terrible situation is that this has been this shooting in Florida has shown it. It's it's massive failure of

the state police and FBI in this case. And this armed resources officer I guess, deputized by the Sheriff's department, and yet the response from so many people is to just increase the role of the state at the expense of the individual. This is where you see that big philosophical difference. This is failure at so many levels. I gotta tell you, I'm just I'm shocked. I assumed that the armed resource officer, big school, big campus was uh yeah, I just I just assumed was in another building, maybe

didn't even hear the first few gunshots. By the time he got there, it was all over and it was a blood bath. And you know, it's just terrible timing. I didn't think was there now was there thirty seconds into the three minutes of killing? Was there? You know? But from the video and from the description of it, he was. He took a defensive position while the shoot, while the gunfire was still going on inside the building, and we lost seventeen young men and women that day.

We could have lost a hundred. Right, You're the one person there, you know. I know it's it's a lot easier to profess how brave one would be under the circumstances than to actually be that person. But this is not this is not a close call. You are there, one hope, there one possible good guy with a gun on the scene, and you're you're not even gonna go in the building. It's also complicates the discussion. I know people are gonna say it shouldn't this is just the

actions of one person. But it seems that the most favored policy outcome from the White House and the and the Republicans, or at least from the White House, is to armed teachers and or armed individuals within the schools right, give people the proper training. And this was somebody with the training and the mandate to protect students on the campus. Not only did it not protect them, did nothing, did nothing. I can I already see it. I see it on

CNN right now. They are they're already running Trump's comments about how attacks would end if you armed trained teachers. This is this is now. This is incredible the way the media does this. And it's really happening in real time right now, because the story just broke front page of the Washkin Post while I was on air with you. It just happened out. No, no one, not on the other shows have known about this today because it wasn't released,

It wasn't yet out of the news. What you're seeing is the cowardice of this one individual or who's fired from his or resigned I should say suspended, and then he resigned so as not to be fired. So law and it's not like law enforcements circling this guy, circling around this guy and saying you know, hey, hey, you know this followed protocol toughs into that. They they're like, he's gone. That is being used as a way of undermining the White House's position on training people and arming them.

That's what this turns into right away. This one guy did not do and look at gonna haunt in the rest of his life. And obviously we all know this. So but this one individual refused to answer the call and it was his obligation to do so. And yet now it's already turning into a the media pivot is because he did nothing, no one else in a similar circumstance would do something. Therefore, the White House's position on

this is foolish. The White Houses moved to push for greater teaching of firearms instruction and tactics to people in schools, concealed carry, more armed resource officer, all all those things. We haven't yet gotten down in the specifics of how it would be rolled out. But it's being used to undermine that. Well, I look at that. Oh, a sheriff Israel who was at that last night, was at the forum with Dana ash and Marco Rubio. Uh, he knew about this. They were keeping this one. They were keeping

this one quiet. They had to wait for the you know, they had to wait for things to get in place before anyone knew about this. It's it's pretty remarkable actually when you think about it, that we had heard so little about the school resources officer. We hadn't really heard ruiser might did we know? We just knew there was one on campus, right, There was nothing beyond that, there was no nothing. And this has been the biggest news story in the country now for a week. And somehow

this was kept entirely under wraps u something. Something doesn't wash for me with all that in terms of just how this wasn't known or didn't no one. No one in the media knew this until today. Let's find that hard to believe. No one was asking questions and getting a weird feeling when the sheriff wasn't given the answers about where was your armed resources deputy? Hmm? What do

you think about this? Is this going to change? Does it change at all your sense of whether arming teachers or arming faculty school personnel, either in a concealed carry capacity or you know, in an open carry official armed officer capacity. Do you think that that's still the way to go. Does it change? You're thinking at all about any of this? You think it's going to change? The White House is thinking. I'm this was quite an addition into the discussion here. I obviously didn't know we're gonna

be talking about this at all. Eight four four to five, eight four nine hundred buck team. I want to hear from you on this, so let me know and we'll be right back. Start looking at how easy it is to get around it. You would literally have a band every semi automatic rifle. Fair enough, I sing out of thousands of people cheering ban every semi automatic rifle and r A took a lot of heat last night at

that CNN for him. Marco Rubio took a lot of heat last night and Dana last two although didn't didn't bother Dana one bit, although she did say that somebody yelled out burn her, which is horrific. You know, Dana is a person, is a nice person. It's a wife, mom. Someone's yelling burning her. I don't care what the crowd there thinks that their movement is all about and everything. Oh you don't yell burn her at a stranger. You

don't yell murderer to somebody who's literally done nothing. I figured this wouldn't happen, and we've got every single line. Lets let's get into this. Um Uh, David and Mississippi welcome to Freedom of David. What do you think, hey, I think uh, I think the timing just sucks. Buck. I mean, this guy was on cn and My night talking about how we should ban you know, all the a R fifteens. I think this just says that he's

a coward. Because clearly his deputy was a coward. We had a school full of brave teachers and coaches who took bullets. They were brave. He was the coward. And I would say this that the sheriff is a coward too. And you know clearly, you know, if his deputy is a coward, he must have learned from the sheriff. How could that? I mean, just if if you haven't seen it, I mean, you go back that as sheriff is reel.

Uh was so smug last night on stage, I mean just lecturing the n r A, lecturing America, and his department fell down on the job so in so many ways. And now we find this out and he knew he was lecturing the country, and he was talking about gun control and acting like he's Mr. I was in law enforcement thirty years. I know what to do here. Well, didn't know how to train his deputy apparently. Yeah, well, yeah,

thanks for calling in, and I appreciate it. Uh. Mike in Danbury, Connecticut, Hey Mike, Yeah, okay, and listen, this is this is smelling more Las Vegas. On my unknown questions if the character was outside, there were two people I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that were killed outside the school. Whether they were students or what, I don't remember. Yeah, some people were killed outside. Yeah. Yeah.

The day of the tragedy, the sheriff said that the guy was out round of the golf cart someplace else. He was far from the school. He wasn't near the school. I didn't know that, he said. He really he misled the public on the on the I'd have to check on that, but if that's true, that's particularly egregious. Yeah, you know, I I'd have to have to go back

and second that too. But I remember clearly the watching him in the live news conference that day saying that the you know, this guard was was off someplace, off on his cart and the The other thing is if this guy is on video outside that school and there's two bodies out there, did he call headquarters or did somebody from inside the school called nine one? One good question?

You know. That's all I can tell you is that right now, the headline the Washington the headline you're seeing splashed all over the media is did quote nothing, which to me sounds like maybe he just crouched down outside the building. And you know, I'm assuming he pulled his weapon but didn't do anything. Yeah, you know, but there's now there's more questions all of a sudden, what the hell's going on here? And the media is going to stay on with the kids who are are rightfully grieving

and everything else and all this other stuff. But let's come back to some basic tactical questions here. You know, are the police and those people really prepared in case there's something happening in the school? You know, did somebody profile this, this policeman, this guard outs I had to see if in fact he would do something. People gave me a lot of people gave me a rough time, including friends of mine from the law enforcing community when

I talked about this. But you know, the Pulse nightclub shooting. They had they had officers, multiple officers with long guns on the scene within minutes. And originally there was this story about how you know there was a bomb inside, but that actually wasn't true. They didn't think there was a bomb till later and the shooting was still ongoing. With what it was was effectively, uh, you know officers. I think there were five or six of them with with a RS and body armor on the scene and

they waited outside. I said, look, I wasn't there, and if that's protocol, then we need to discuss this. But it seemed to me like if people are bleeding out and they're still active shooting going on, you can't just set up a perimeter and say, you know, we're gonna see how we're gonna see what happens when backup gets here. Um. But you know, people got mad at me with that, But I had I had other law enforcement. I had had people who were in decades and squad who are like, no,

they should have gone in. So you know, with this case, it's just one guy and it's all writing on him and his you know, oh gosh, I don't know his his cowardice here they have cost lives. I don't know how else to say it. And that's why the President when he said, you know, special training, that's what he's talking about. You know, you profile and say, okay, is

this person qualified technically and is he prepared psychologically? Military people obviously are, and but this guard was the ending that time, and then if he hit behind the bushes and all this going on, it really says that the department itself was not prepared. Jeff Israel is great at calling for gun control. Mike, thanks for calling it from Connecticut. Man, I appreciate it. Jerry in Greensboro, North Carolina. Hey, Jerry,

Hey man, I appreciate you taking a call. Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, I'm in law enforce myself, and I know it's just it really, uh turns my gut to think that somebody would have not went in when they carry the bat as and and try to take care of the situation. You know, they trained us that, you know, when something like this happens, you don't wait for us. You go in and you

deal with what's going on. And uh, I just was I was thinking that, you know, and not talking trash about anybody but sometimes some of these school resource officers that are put into place, they're put there for a reason and they're not out on the street every day.

And you know, I hate to say it like that, but and Jerry, look, they're not you know, they're not you know officers in in cities that have a you know, a real I mean, look, I I had a family I had a family member who was lap D and a family member who worked, uh, you know for well. I won't get into all of it, but there's a real spree to corps that's a part of some of you know, the major law enforce and organizations across the country.

There's a real spree to corps at a well run sheriff's department, a well run local p D, and you know some guy who's kind of out there by himself. I don't really know how this works, but yea, at some level, you know, if somebody's amall cop, you're not gonna expect them to be able to leap into action like a guy who's been doing squad for a decade, right,

And that's yeah. And they told us in patrol school, Hey, there's those that are meant to call the police, and those that are meant to be the police, and some people just they just don't have it in them, you know. And we got to be able to weed those folks out and say, hey, you just if you're not gonna make it, then we can't put you in a school

to protect our children. Yeah. Well, because obviously, as you well know as a law enforcement officer yourself, Jerry, in this case, you've got a guy here who the the assumption and the obligation is he is the armed person on campus for this very unlikely eventuality. But it did happen, right, I mean, and he has to be the guy, and that he didn't go in. It's just it just adds so much. There's just been so much in competence and and just failure, failure after failure of authorities leading up

to this. But Jerry, hey, thank you for what you do. Man. I appreciate it, thank you for your perspective, and just man, it's a gut punch, I really. I mean, the guys were with me when I read that. I just couldn't believe it. You gotta add that into the mix here too. That didn't stop it. FBI didn't follow up on the tip.

FBI couldn't figure out you know in true name? You know, I mean, the FBI can find Russians who are operating out of an office building in St. Petersburg, who are setting up fake social media accounts and get us all that info, but didn't want to track down the I'm gonna be a professional school shooter in true name, which keep in mind, if they had looked up the name and looked at all these other pieces would have been quite clear they had a real problem on their hands.

Richard in a Gulfport, Mississippi hair Richard, thank you for taking my call. Thank you. I would like to point out that all of this from the FBI is so called incompetence, all the way down to the sheriff's department after they've been called of the guy's house. What was at thirty nine times? The FBI keeps records on who buys guns, so they knew about the A R fifteen. Nobody seemed to do anything, Nobody seemed to pay any attention,

and I firmly believe they knew all about this guy. Now, I will point out that as soon as the shooting was over, the scripts were written. The people that were going to do the talking. We're already ready to go. The buses were rented, new buses, the whole plan of action was laid out, and it was like in twenty four hours, which leads me to believe this was nothing but a set up to try to take in the way, to try to do away with a second Amendment. Richard, I,

I it's I gotta disagree with you. I don't think there's not a conspiracy here in front of the event. I think that afterwards there's a lot that's going on here that we've been talking about. But I don't think that this was I don't think that this was orchestrated. I gotta leave I gotta leave it there for now. It's going to hard break, but I I have to I have to strongly disagree on that point. But I appreciate perspectives here on the show, even when I think

they're wrong. Um, we are going to roll in a break. We'll talk more about this and also get into some Russia collusion and whatnot, and then we'll talk immigration third hour. So stick around. The n r A is ready to do things, and you know, people like to blame them, and they do have power and all of that, but

they want to do that. They want to They actually came up with, uh certain of the rules and regulations that we have now, but we're gonna have to tough And I told them, I said, we're gonna have to toughen them up because it doesn't make anybody look good. And most importantly, I saw the devastation of these families. We can't allow that to happen. General John Kelly, so

he's a four star Marine, he's a tough cookie. So if he's a teacher, and of other friends of his from the marine, if they're teaching or other people like that, I want them to have a gun. But more importantly, nobody's going to attack that school because they know General Kelly is the history teacher. He's teaching about how we win wars, okay, and he's got a concealed weapon. But they're gonna know he's got to concer because we tell them that the bullets are gonna be flying in the

other direction. You're not gonna have these attacks if you do that. Welcome to our two of the buck Sexton Shoe. Everyone, So we are dealing with the new information breaking news from the last hour that the Sheriff's deputy at the Marjorie Douglas scho Woll did nothing during the shooting. There you at President Trump earlier the day talking about what has become the primary response policy response preferred by this White House to the school shooting, which would be to

armed teachers. And now already I'm sitting here on CNN at the bottom of the bottom third of the screen, Trump calls for arming some teachers. Sheriff reveals an armed deputy at school did nothing during shooting. See in real time, they are turning this new information into a critique of

the administration's policy. Sheriff Israel knew last night at the CNN forum that his deputy did nothing, and he was just full of all kinds of gun grabbing, antisecond amment ideas to deal with this very very grandstanding Jariff Israel last night and now here we are looking at this new information. This is what the left is gonna do. They're gonna say, forget about army teachers, it means and what they teachers faculty, anyone can still carry armed resource officers.

They're going to say that this incident shows because this one deputy didn't do anything, that's not a that's not an action that can be taken to try to make our schools safer. Now, a lot of you would say, well, just because somebody doesn't do the job doesn't mean somebody else wouldn't do the job. And we shouldn't base policy on the actions of one incompetent coward. Right, That's not the way we should view But that's the way this is going to go politically. This is how the conversation

will go. You're already hearing a lot of a lot of people just pushing down this idea, saying that putting down this idea of saying that it was going nowhere. Here's a earlier in the day before we even knew about the the deputy. Here's what a teacher at CNA on CNN said about Trump's proposal. Diana, Diana, No, that's ridiculous. That that's just ridiculous and have felt more safe. You wouldn't have felt more safe if you had been armed. I mean, I'm just asking that's the president's propose. It

would have been more mayhem. It would have been more mayhem. No, the teachers got into this. To teacher, I'm in my twentieth year with Broward's schools guns that did not come into my head when I went to study to be a library media specialist. That's just ridiculous. Come on, we we have we have a sergeant there at our school. It didn't stopped the shooter. He was there, he was not afraid that we had someone that was armed. Come on, No, No, Now that that teacher looks she's titled her opinion, I

understand and respect that. That's fine. No one is saying that every teacher has to be armed. No one saying that teachers that don't want to be armed should be armed. The issue here would be should there at least be an option for schools to have concealed Remember, schools are gunn free zones. So unless you are deputized, unless you are a resources officer for the Sheriff's department or the local PD or whatever, you can't just be a person, a private citizen who works or for that man. Ever.

Talking about colleges for example, you know you could be a student, uh who works there and wants to carry to be safer. But they're making seem like, oh, they're just gonna force everyone to be walking around. You know, you're gonna have librarians carrying m fors with EO TEX sites. It's just a matter of time. Like, no one's saying that, but the implication is that this is what we're gonna turn all of the Yeah, ethel the lunch lady is

going to turn into dirty Harry or something here. I mean, that's not that's not what the policy is supposed to be. So they don't need to ask somebody was literally saying she studied librarian services or whatever. Though I'm sure there's some librarians that enjoy their Second Amendment rights too, But you know, yeah, she's not the person that they're necessarily going to say you should be the concealed carry permit holder on this campus in the event of I just

I look, I don't do conspiracies here. You know that. And I you know, I'd never like to be uh, dismissive or or snappy or snippy with any of our snappy pardoner with snappy dresser, snippy with any of our callers. But I also have to keep it in the realm of reality here. And if I think a conspiracy is way too far off, I'll tell you, and I'll try to do so to the anyone who forwards one as

respectfully as I can. That's said. Maybe I'm going off the rail us here right now, because I do not believe that no one knew that the sheriff's deput that that this whole week past, and no one in the media, no one in the policy circles knew that the sheriff's deputy didn't do anything. Obviously a lot of it I didn't know, a lot of us didn't know. And I don't believe that this was this ironclad secret. And uh, I just have I have a hard time with that.

I don't I don't know what to make other other than just to tell you that to me, it seems it seems very uh, it seems very unlikely. You had the Broward County school superintendent also talking about giving teachers guns in his opposition to it. Some of the dialogue that I've heard recently is about army teachers. We don't need to put guns at the hands of teachers. Do you know what we need? We need to arm our

teachers with more money in their pocket. Let teacher comp station benefits at working conditions be part of this national debate as well. I mean, you want to talk about shameless here's the guy's basically, yeah, we need to keep our kids safe from school shootings, which means more teacher over time, because that will prevent shootings somehow. And that was pretty breathtaking, wasn't it. We need to have a talk about teacher compensation now, now is the time to

talk about paying teachers. No, No, that was not the time to talking about raising teacher wages. I mean, this has become very politicized in so many different ways, so many different ways, and it's uh gross. You'd think that we could all come together on this and see this from the perspective of just doing what's best. I know, this is a phrase is that you hear and a lot of people roll their eyes, but you know, do what's best for the children. That's what we would like

to do, like keep our kids safe. We all want the same thing. We all want school shootings, and we all want children to be safe when they're in school, and you know, young adults and people on college campuses. Everyone to be safe. But you know, it doesn't help the victory. All the nastiness, the tribalism, the sense that the real enemy is the n r A. The real enemy are people who speak in favor of the Second Amendment.

You know, they're saying that while there is a bigger opening now for Second Amendment defenders and advocates than I have seen in my adult lifetime. Uh, there's a bigger opening now for some kind of compromise or action to be taken, and yet you still have a tremendous amount of nastiness. In fact, Uh, Dana La, who was at the CNN form last night, said, I mentioned this before, but I wanted to hear from her that. You know, she she was worried about getting out of there safely.

You heard that town hall last night. They cheered the confiscation of firearms and it was over five thousand people. I had to have a security detail to get out. I wouldn't have been able to exit that if I did not have a private security detail. There were people rushing the stage and screaming burn her. And I came there to talk solutions, and I still I am going to continue that conversation on solutions, as the NR has

been doing for before I was alive. So we're talking solutions, and yet people are saying burn her and calling her a murderer and all kinds of just and by the way, you know, it's not okay. It's not okay if you were a student in that high school to call someone a murderer who did nothing wrong. It's not okay to yell for violence at a public form and televised discussion

like that. And it's just there's no excuse. It was happening a lot who and then there's the booing and the hissing and the shouting and all the other stuff that was going on there. It was interesting to see that CNN doesn't even pretend I think it was what

was it a week or two ago? I told you I would have been last week and last week that I knew someone who was invited to speak at at another form after Newtown CNN, and they sat without telling the person he was supposed to be a second amate defender.

They sat him in uh literally surrounded by the parents of those who had lost children at Newtown, and they would ask him to stand up in that circumstance and be the guy who's defending the Second Amendment in the n r A. Now, a lot of you would say, well, the argument is the argument. It doesn't matter if he's around. Yeah, I understand that, but clearly it was orchestrated to make him as uncomfortable as possible, to make the emotions of the moment as difficult as Paul civil. And that's just

the way they do things over there. So why I left and never looked back. Uh anyway, And I know a lot of your thoughts on this to wait, do we have some of Uh, well, we'll we'll come back. We've got some updates from Sheriff Israel, whose deputy just

waited outside while his terrible shooting was going on. Um, I you know, I would offer to you that not only do what I expect that anyone who has charged with as their you know, as part of their job, their obligation, they would go in and try to help and try to save children and yeah, and take a

risk that there would be a risk. But I think any if you walk down the street and you had a vast majority of able bodied a Americans, if you said, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a side arm, and you're in that situation and you know there's a school and his kids and there's gunfire, I just think a vast majority of people would would say, you know, got gotta do something. I gotta do something, oh man, rough stuff. Eight four to five, eight four nine buck.

We'll we'll have that statement from Sheriff Israel, who's been very chatty, very chatty about gun control. Let's see what it is to say about what happened that day. Now that we have more information, we'll be back with that more Stay with me. We're not going to disclose the video at this time, and we may never disclose the video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case. But what I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building twelve take up a position, and he

never went in. He never went in. Folks, let me tell you something. That video Actually, we're gonna see it. We're gonna they're they're gonna hold onto it for as long as they can. Uh. I never advocate for this kind of thing at all, But you know, I'm just and I'm not trying to allude to that or anything. But I this guy who did not go in, I'm sure he's going to They're gonna be safety concerns for him.

So that's a legitimate safety concerns for I think that the I think that they're worried about letting the video out for the time being, maybe they'll get a judge under that for or for that reason to withhold this from the public. But I don't know. I think we're gonna see this video and it's gonna be bad. You can be sure of that. If this was a close call.

You heard that, you're the sheriff there. Now that now that it's out right, now that we're not the video, but the facts of this, the description of what was in that video now we know. So just so we're all on the same page here, the FBI dropped the ball. Local law enforcement dropped the ball. The security feed twenty minutes delayed in the school also was so messed up technologically that it made it hard for them to figure out who the shooter was and find him more quickly

after the shooting. And then the sheriff's deputy just waited outside did nothing. But as many are saying, yeah, but the n R the n R A is is the problem here. That's what do we have? Do We have the sheriff from last night, By the way, play the sheriff from last night. This is this is what he was sounding like last night. First and responsible is the agent or the detective or the person who received a tip and didn't exercise the dude dill legence and took

it where they needed to be. All that being said, when I'm asking the law makes to give police all over this country is more power. So he's beating up on the FBI. There's the sheriff. W I think I've heard is like a friend of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is by the way, I think I've heard that. I think that maybe that may not be true. Maybe somebody's meant that, like in the metaphorical sense of a friend of Debbie

Wasserman Schultze is as he's a left winger. But uh, the sheriff's beating up on the FBI and local law enforcement showed up at this guy's house has got dozens of calls involved with him. Right, the FBI missed an online tip, not good, but and then missed the tip that was called in with all the details. That's worse. That was really bad. But the sheriff is beating up

on the FBI. Meanwhile, he knows that his deputy was the one person on the scene who might have been to bring this to an end and save lives in the process, and just completely inexcusable laps, a completely inexcusable laps. And then you see the philosophical divide there for a moment, the one that I talked about at the beginning of the show. There you see what really separates the two signs here. The state big es state failed at every

single level here, failure upon failure upon failure. And what is the refrain you here from the left? What does the sheriff say we need to do to fix this? Give the state more power? The state didn't use the power that it had. Give the state more power. The state didn't fulfill the obligations that it had. Give the state more power. This is why it's so hard to find common ground on this issue. We're not seeing the

same things occurring here, right. This is and appalling and appalling and a disgraceful series of events leading up to enduring this shooting. And we are told that the answer is, by the way, banned guns. What will the answer, What will the answer be if they did even ben Let's say they just banned all semi and all new sales of semi automatic, right, which is not going to happen. But let's say they banned that, or they banned. All

are fifteens. If you have them, they're grandfathered in. But otherwise, and again it's not gonna happen. What's the discussion after the next school shooting and it's a handgun, it's gonna be a banned handgun, right, it has to be because if the logic of the air and Air fifteen was used the shooting, therefore we ban air fifteens, they're going to apply the same logic. Two, Well, a handgun as was there And as we know, the Virginia Tech shooting

the biggest uh massacre in a school in the country. Actually, I think the single biggest loss of life in the school in school history or in the history of any school involved. The massacre was a bomb a very long time ago. I'll look up the specifics of it. I'm pretty sure about that, like a way way back when. But with with firearm it was pistol. So they're the next thing will be handguns. Pistols, that'll be the the next one. It has to be right or else what's the logic

of the first decision. But it's not gonna stop any school shootings, as we know, all right, I've I've I've been going on at some length here. I know we've had not only every line lip, but I know people are people are sending me emails and Facebook messages. Want to get through what I got a lot to say. I want to get through. We're gonna rack and stack them right now. Team, We're gonna hear from a lot of you. So eight four four to five. As the lines open, as we take calls, spots will open up,

and I want to hear from you. So we'll get into this and we'll be right back. I did feel like this opportunity was more successful than I anticipated. Um. I felt that President Trump was very sincere and diplomatic about his responses UH talking about during the discussion and after.

I do believe that action will be taken by the President and the government of the United States, and that gun control will be in effect and changes near Se had some of the students from Marjorie Douglas High School that we're at the Trump listening session, willing to say that I thought it was it was a good, worthwhile event, and they think change is coming. What do you think about all this? But there's also there's gosh, I got breaking news here. Muller has filed thirty two new charges

against Manafort and Gates. I've been thinking that superseding indictment was coming for a while. That is what this is. But this is the hammer again, Maniford, and this is dropping the hammer man of Fort and Gates are in h and for you know, some some rough times. It's not good because this is uh the tax for all tax evasion. These penalties are these penalties get stiff now it's just allegations. Who knows right and also has nothing to do with Russia collusion or Trump or do they go?

This is all stuff that happened before the Trump campaign. But this is what special counsels do. Special counsels have to justify their existence. And you never want a bureaucrat with a lot of power who has to justify his or her existence. Not good, not good for liberty, not good for the rule of law. All right, every line, lid, come on, buck stop talking. Uh Danny in Batesville, Arkansas? What's up? Danny? Hey man? How you doing tonight? I'm

all right, thanks Danny. Hey listen, I'm on the other side, I guess, but I got ant to caveat to this, you know, I man, it's ago more than thirty years without discussing my service in the Marines, because I served, you know, at the end of the Vietnam War. It was an aspective popular war, and at the end, everybody was just trying to get out. Nobody wanted to be

the last one to get killed, you know. But I was barely eighteen years old the first time I came under fire, and the only thing I really remember was keying all over myself. Okay, So I mean, you never know what someone's gonna do. Now, I'm not defending at that that deputy, but yeah, I understand he's been a deputy since nine six. But I also heard something about this a couple of days ago that they were looking

at his action. So it may have just popped on the news today, but there's been there's been an undercurrent about about what this guy, what this guy did? You know that I can remember, you know. I mean, it actually wasn't until I was hit with trapnel from a mortar around and I'm pretty sure it was one of ours, because it was a Willie feed around the white fospher's round, you know, and I'm trying to dig the white fosphers out of my arm. Well, I actually remember starting to

fire my weapon. You know, you don't know what's going to happen in a situation like that. All these brave deep we want to call I'll do this and I'll do that. Look, if it would been kids and I'd have been there, I'm pretty sure i'd have ran in there. But I mean, I don't know what for certainly need to do you and nobody else does. So all these all these armchair armchair quarterbacks and and call a duty brave guys, you know, they just don't know how they're

gonna act in something like this. But I'm gonna take you so with Danny. But I need Danny. And let first off, we all respect your service, and I appreciate you given a perspective that's different to what we're gonna do. What you're gonna hear from a lot of other folks, I'm sure how can so? So that means if, for example, you said you when you were in the Marine Corps, if somebody deserted their posts because they got scared, that's a big problem. Right. Oh yeah, Look none of us ran.

Look I was I was there. No, no no, no, I'm not suggesting anyone ran. I'm just saying. I'm just saying there has to be I'm just saying, there has to be accountability, even in extreme circumstances for those who are charged with life and death situations. Right, those who are even weapons, either in the service of their country or in the defense of civilians here at home, have an

obligation and responsibility. So I mean, I I understand the impulse to say, Look, it's difficult and and you know, it's easy for people to judge, but we also have to hold someone accountable for not doing their duty while little kids are getting blown away, seventeen of them, right, I mean, that's listen, I understand he's he's being held accountable, and that's great. What I hate you hear other people call and brag about what they would have done because

they don't know what they would have done. Okay, I just hate to hear braggers. It really just ranks me. And and you know, I'm I'm a registered gun owner. I am not an n r A member. I loathe and despise the n r A. I think they need to get out of politics. Why do you hate the n r A because they don't represent me. I'm a legal gun owner. I don't need the n r A is fronting for me, but they don't, the United States says, and I respect it, and I I helped defend it,

and no one's gonna come take my guns away. And I'm tired of it. People just whipping people up in a frenzy. Oh man, they're gonna come get your guns, all Danny, if you had listened to some of the folks last night, If you listen to the folks last night, they actually do want to take your guns away. So I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, but it is in fact the case that there are people who want to take your guns away, lots of them, and they run most of the media media,

most of the main media organizations across the country. And yeah, there is that. All right, let's get to some other callers here. Jeff in Madison, North Carolina. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Buck, thanks for taking my call. And who was the last called Danny? I think so, yeah, you respect his uh, you know, service to the country. But I'm an n r A member and I love them. I'm a carry concealed holder and I do carry, and I would just like Danny to know, yes, I do think about it.

When I'm carrying this weapon. You know, what is my role? What if something goes wrong? You know what am I gonna do? I consider those things. But anyway, the reason I was calling because you asked earlier what this deputy did. Does it change your mind on having armed either teachers or even security guards in schools? No, it does not, because how many times have we heard first responders running towards the danger just because this one guy made this

terrible mistake and did not enter that building. First responders run toward the danger. We've heard it time and time again, and they're great people. And no, and that's Donald Trump is exactly right. We have to have offensive personnel in these schools. You know, we just keep That's all I've got, Gene. But Jeff, I just you can see how that the Democrats and the left are going to try to turn this into well it didn't work this time, so why

it work? Then? You see what I mean? That's that's going to be the narrative from their side of it, just because this one man made a mistake. Now I I agree with you. I'm just saying be prepared. Everyone should be prepared for what comes next year. We're already seeing it. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter what the left says. I when they say something, I always turn it around on them. You know. They say that if we don't go along with their theory on how to handle this,

then we we're all standing on dead bodies of young students. Well, I say just the opposite. If you don't go our way, you're the ones if you don't want armed guards and in schools, you're the ones that don't want a solution. We want the solution. We are trying to find a solution. And I've also tweeted out today that they don't they're not going to like it, but Donald Trump is going to be the one that does find a salute. I think that's true. I think, and it's gonna be there's

some irony to this, right because Donald Trump coming. Thank you for calling in, Jeff, I appreciate your perspective. Uh, Donald Trump comes into office and they're saying he's a fascist, and he's the most right wing, he's all right, he's all this stuff. And here here's something that that may

in fact be the case. Uh not, we don't know yet, but this is likely to be I would say a true statement that Donald Trump will have and at his urging right, not just a function of the Donald Trump will have managed within let's say, the first two years in office to have done more that was constructive and solution based on the issue of gun violence and particularly school shootings, then the Obama administration managed in eight years.

That is likely to be It's not yet a true statement, it is likely to be a true statement depending on what comes out of all this. I think we are seeing this is quite possible. I just think about that for a moment. I mean, it's you kind of have to stop your tracks. So wow. That's and yet the

left hates they will hate him every bit. It doesn't matter if if the if Trump, let's just say that the arming of teachers happens whatever, we're gonna call it, right, the increased armed personnel on campus, on in schools, and there was not another mass shooting in school in a school for the rest of Trump's term, which would be obviously fantastic, and they be considerable drop off. It's not like they'd say, oh, look at how great Trump is.

You know now, it doesn't matter what he does. They hate, don't matter what. I just gotta remember that too. Um Ron in Virginia. Hey, Ron, how are you doing tonight? I'm good, Thank you for your call. So thank you. A couple of quick points. I'm forty five, so that tells my age, and but I would like to look at a bigger picture other than just armed guards. We have to look at what's going on with the children. Um. Like I said, I'm forty five years old. I grew

up in the country. Uh. When I went to school, everybody had where I grew up had firearms in her vehicles, whether or not it was hunting rifles, shotguns during dove season. Uh. Everybody carried a knife, whether or not it was a hunting knife in a scabbard for a pocketknife. Back in my day, guys were still fighting in school, getting in his fight, and nobody ever pulled knaves were shot each other.

Guns in our day, if you're my age, are older, you could buy right out of a J. C. Tennis catalog and had the gun step right to your house, no background checks. So guns are not the issue. You just have to look at the facts of it. Facts are is what's going on with our kids and society as a whole that we're at this point. So that's my one point when when is to Danny said that he doesn't like people judging. Yet he said he doesn't need the n r A because it will never come

take to his guns. Well, he don't know what he would do if they showed up as his door to take his guns, so he has to use his own philosophy to come up with why not fight now? So you never have to worry about what you're gonna do when the federal agents decide to show up at you were in the door and take him because Danny may find that he was peeing on his leg Acain, And I just think you can't legislate behavior because it's all

comes down to a moral compass. You have a great night, and yeah, thank you for hey rop, thank you, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Um. By the way, I mentioned the Bath I'm sorry I mentioned the biggest school death toll for an attack on a school in history. It was actually in and I was right, I just couldn't remember the name of it. The Bath School massacres that's called on UH. The eighteenth of May nine twenty

seven in Bath Township, Michigan, forty four people killed. H This was through a UH fire bombing and a suicide by detonating a final device. So it's essentially fire bombing and explosions. Um that was that was so that was now that involved an adult, not an actual student, as

as shooting the other students. But something has changed now and I'll maybe to address us the only side of the break, but we should not lose sight of the world has actually gotten less violent over tom not more are tolerance for violence in Western civilization, western society, and the world as a whole, uh has gone down, not up. This issue of school shootings is a particular and virulent phenomenon and maybe worth digging into that a bit more Africa.

I didn't, by the way, I didn't mean to talk about school shootings for most of the show that I'm I just that's where the news took us because we had breaking news during the show. But there's gonna be a whole lot more that we're gonna to talk about tomorrow, because we're gonna have having David French joined us in a little bit here to talk about his his proposed solutions, which I think one of them is particularly strong, and

then I gotta talk to about immigration. So there's gonna be a lot of We're gonna have some Russia stuff tomorrow to hit, but we'll be right back. I saw a particularly worthwhile threat on the issue of school shootings that I wanted to share with you. It comes courtesy of um Ari. Shulman is the fellow's name. He's a writer, and uh, I'm not sure even what his focus is, but he's on Twitter. Here's what he wrote, some song.

Some why we and our institutions may be failing to deal with mass shootings because we approached them as part of broader problems, not as a distinct and self perpetuating plague. The problem with almost every narrative that mass shootings are actually an X problem is that X is usually so broad. It's like saying the real problem with asteroid impacts is that the Earth is so big. Take mental health. It's easy to say mass shootings are really a mental health

problem because you'd have to be crazy to commit one. Right. No, not really. The literature does not reflect a strong link with serious mental illness. Some like the Virginia tech shooter, had serious diagnosed or diagnosable mental illness like psychopathy or major depression, but the large majority don't, and the vast majority of people with strong mental illness aren't violent. Here's another one. This is really about a America's love of guns, or it's just the most visible edge of our gun

violence problem. Again, doesn't go very far in explaining mass shootings, which have moved opposite to gun ownership and overall gun homicide trends. It's very important we've seen this spike in mass casualty school shootings, but also we've seen drops in gun violence in recent decades, big drops. So what's going on? If it were just guns? That doesn't make any sense. Mr Shulman goes on here, Uh, let's put armed guards

in every school. Not outlandish, but would never encounter a shooter, and the few who did would be taken by surprise after years of board roaming of the hallways, probably why there are already many cases of shooters not being stopped by them. I would note that Mr. R. Shalman wrote this on February sixteenth, so he did not know what we know now about the armed guard at the high school, and goes on to this one mass shootings are a white or Asian problem. I've never seen this argument made

in good faith, but it's bunk. The racial distribution of mass shooters is basically the same as the general population and actually almost completely mirrors what you know. The percentages are of the U. S population in terms of ethnic ethnic um background, male toxicity or a crisis of masculinity. He writes, hard to put numbers on that, but just

about any definition would peg the problem. Far early than the late nineteen eighties, when the active shooter phenomenon really started to pick up in the United States, mass shootings do have something to do with these factors, except the race thing. That's totally a canard. But weakly saying they're actually about any one thing miss is the singular nature of this violence. It doesn't go anywhere rhetorically or practically or politically to the extent that mass shootings are about anything.

This is the really important part, folks, it's themselves. They have a distinct etiology. There are a form of imitative a political terrorism fueled by anti social rage but spread by infamy seeking and social contagion. Strategies with a chance of doing anything must like past efforts to stop hijacking, terrorism and assassinations, understand mass shootings as a distinct form

of self perpetuating violence. And strategically target them as such, Um, Mr Shawman, who is uh, He's written for the Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic. I think that's a very astute thread that he had there on truth about school

shootings and how to stop them and to that. And we've got David French joining us, and then we will just a few minutes and we'll talk immigration for a couple of segments, and then we'll get into some roll hall and tomorrow, I promise a lot of other stuff we'll hit that we didn't get to today because it's just the way the show went. We'll be back. Welcome back to the third hour of the Buck Section Show. Everybody,

Thank you very much for being here. I know we've hit a lot of topics today, and I wanted to bring on someone who I mentioned earlier in the week in reference to a piece that he had written on well one aspect of this gun debate that has broken out, and in fact now we can have him weigh in on on a few different parts important parts of the discussion. Right now, we have David French on the line. He is a senior writer for Nashville also a veteran of

the United States Armed Forces. Thank you so much for calling in, David. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. So I actually wanted to start I know this is from an earlier piece you wrote, but I wanted to start with the notion of a temporary restraining order for gun buying. Essentially that strikes me. I mean, there are there are two places where I see really no problem if the legislation would be done correctly or if whatever

whatever the fix would be. One would be that and the other has to do with what Dana Lash mentioned at the forum last night, the mental health checks at the state or mental health reporting and criminal reporting at the state level going to the federal government. But can we start with the uh, the temporary straining order that to me seems like a totally reasonable idea, and yet it's not seeming like it's the top of the list

for either side right now. What's going on? Yeah, So the gun violence restraining order idea, I think has has got a couple of virtues to it. One, unlike the gun controlled ideas that are floated around, it's precisely targeted at the exact kind of problem that we're facing, and that is, there are people not just in the mass shooting context. Also often in the suicide context, who give

off warning signs. Sometimes they're giving off warning signs like crazy, but they haven't been convicted of a felony, and they've not been adjudicated mentally unfit, and so therefore they still there's no way to deny them access to a firearm.

What a gun violence or straining order does is it says it allows people who are close to a troubled person to go to a court and seek a temporary order upon providing clear and convincing evidence that a person is a significant danger to themselves or others, and that temporary order would require that person to be rid of their guns for a specified period of time. And and so what you have to do to get it is to come forward with admissible evidence like sworn statements, Instagram photos.

In other words, exactly the kind of evidence that existed before the Parkland shooting, Exactly the kind of evidence was presented by the to the FBI. In this circumstance, you would empower people close to a troubled person to go to a local court. Again, so you're you're not feeding information to the maw of this really big bureaucracy. Go to a local court and get a temporary order, and the gun owner subject to the order would have an

opportunity to contest it. And so it's very targeted at people who are giving off warning signs, and it gives people a tool to deal with people who are giving off warning signs while protecting due process. It has to be properly drawn, but I think it's got a lot

of promise. I do too, And so I'm wondering, Uh, and maybe these are questions that you know, we can't answer just yet, but why is this not the thing that I'm I'll be honest with you, David, makes a lot more sense to me than trying to put armed security in a hundred thousand schools across the country. And I know people might get mad at me for saying that,

but I you know, you serve the military. I certainly c I A putting people with guns in places is not as easy as people think it is sometimes in terms of the logistics and the the possible liabilities and everything else that goes on with it. Why isn't this do you get pushed back on this? Are are people? You know? You're a Second Amendment defender. I'm a second amendment defender who has a problem with this or is

there no problem, it just isn't enough. Well, I think it's the latter that is just not known enough, because I'll tell you this, I wrote this article. I didn't come up with this idea. It's been proposed in a few states. Um, I wrote this article. It literally got more feedback I think than anything I've ever written in my career. The amount of feedback, and I would describe it as ninety percent positives. Marco Senator Rubio has been in support of it, um and so I think it's

gaining some momentum. I believe the last last count, it's up to eighteen states or at least some version of this now. Some are better written than others, but some version of this has been proposed in eighteen states now. So it is gaining momentum. But it's not talked about because it doesn't fit particularly And even though you know, even though there are liberals who support this, it's not a huge sweeping change like an assault weapons fan Um.

It's it's modest, it's very targeted. But I tell you, I think it could have real imp because if you look at say that the worst twenty mass shootings in the US since column mine. Setting aside the Las Vegas shooter, which is still such a mystery. Um. Time and time and time again, these people give off warning signs like you wouldn't believe, and nobody has really the capacity to

do anything about it. Um. And this would give people that opportunity to do something when those warning signs are present. Speaking to David French of National Review, David, I also think that, uh, And I don't know if this is one you've looked at specifically yet, but Dana mentioned it at the CNN forum last night, which I will I did think was a complete debacle. I mean, not what

she did, but what went on there. Nonetheless, Uh, she mentioned that there should be information at the state level passed to the federal background check system so that if somebody does something real crazy, you know, if if somebody is one of these guys that used to see on the show Cops who's running around shirtless after he stabbed three people with a screwdriver, that needs to be back information that goes to the federal back round checksism that

we already have in place. I think a lot of people are surprised to know one that that's not there. And two, uh, is there pushback to this? I mean, what do you think? Yeah, I mean I think that should go as well. I think the the unfortunate thing is that the state mental health adjudications are so broken, and it is. It is not easy. It is not easy to involuntarily get a mental health adjudication for somebody else. And the other thing is what we have to realize

is a lot of these circumstances, people aren't crazy. They're angry, they're not insane, they're evil. It's a very important point that the problem is if you're saying, well, everyone, all these people are crazy, that's just flat out wrong. So the mental health adjudication issue, I agree, we can do a better job of that. But the difference between that and they say the gun violence restraining order, the gun violence restraining order capture somebody even if they're not crazy,

they're angry. And in fact, where it's been enforced in um in California, it's been used a number of times, for example, in the situation of angry ex husbands or you know, people who are going through a crisis in life and they're very angry. Disc you know, the going back back to a place of business or something like that, and so, um, we just really cannot put in our minds this idea that all these people who do these

things are crazy, because they're not all crazy. Well. And also anyone who I've actually done a little bit of research on on psychopathy and psychopaths can can function very normally a lot of the time. In fact, some psychopaths do very well in life. It's there's there's a certain type of psychopathy that manifests itself in really dangerous, horrible fashion, but even the worst of the worst can actually come

across as pretty normal. So even when we're talking David about the scary, you know, maniacal killer type, uh, they

often will appear normal to a lot of people. So they're not running around, you know, acting like maniacs in a way that would be observable to every to people in the general public, right, I mean, now, to a lot of those people who's look normal to the general public, into their households, they do not, right, which is where the restraining order would come in and be helpful, exactly exactly.

And so that's I think that's something that Look, I'm a big fan of laboratories of democracy and I would love to see some Red states implement I properly drafted g v R OH and then study it after a year, two years, who has the order been granted against under what circumstances? And then you know, you can look at that and if it's been successful, if it appears to save lives without violating you know, fundamental due process rights that Americans enjoy, then you can replicate it and move

on and refine it and improve it. You know, people say do something. I really hate that phrase. Something I would prefer phrase why why not do something that has a chance to be effective? And and this is something I think that has that chance. What do you think is different about this time? Clearly we've one of the reasons we're having a discussion is because there's been multiple mass school mass casualty school shooting stretching back for years. Now.

Why why does it seem like now with a Republican House, Republican senator, Republican president, we may get some action on this when we have it in the past. Well, I think I think what's happened is it's finally dawned on a lot of Americans that we have a real contagion issue with the mass shootings. So if you know gun overall, gun violence in this country has dropped precipitously from you know,

the highs and twenty five years ago. Um. But these mass shootings, on the other hand, it's almost like there's a virus loose on the land. When you consider that three of the five worst mass shootings in American history occurred in twenty seventeen, that's pretty stunning. Uh. And then you add this swin, which is yet another school shooting, um, and you reach a point where a lot of people are saying, what what can we do? Is there something that we can do? Because we have a real problem

here and now. Of course, you know your average American student is the odds of them being exposed to school shooting is are vanishingly small. But each one of these things is deeply traumatic in the same way that a big time terrorist attack is traumatic. They really hit people, and they hit people in the gut, and the more

quickly the gut punches come, the more desperation build. Of the of the different options that are out there, what do you think of the ones that are getting a lot of attention right now, at least from from Republicans. I mean, put it on the side that there's there's clearly a lot of Democrats who just want to bang on semi on semi automatic rifles, ben l a r span all guns. Putting all those aside. Though of the other proposals, Trump's obviously spending a lot of time on

armed security in schools. What do you think? I am not, um, I'm skeptical about that. I mean, for a couple of reasons. One, you will have huge pushback at the school level to that, except for you know, your your standard school resource officer. A lot a lot of schools have those things already, I mean, but but to say that a single school resource officer is going to be a panacea, I think

just completely misunderstands the reality. I mean, you have one guy on these big campuses, and uh, you know who's going to spend most of his day's board and breaking up fights and then has to be ready at a moment's notice to spring into action at exactly right place at the right time. It's a lot to ask, ye, and you have a calculating nineteen year old psychopath who has access to a firearm and decides he's going to

go after a school. He knows well, he's gonna either go with the resource officer isn't, or go after the resource officer first. So that's another part of this, but I feel like doesn't get much attention. Yes, I think that just the mechanics of it, I'm skeptical that that's a cure all. I do think that there is an

absolutely nothing wrong. For example, in in my home count Easy, UM sheriff and the police department made a school resource officer available to every school, public and private in the county, UM if they so chose. I think that's there's nothing wrong with that. But I think that what we have to say is we're not going to say there's any one thing that's the panacea. UM, there's going to be a combination. So I think, yes, UM, having more security at schools is a good thing. It's not going to

be the answer. Yes, gun violence restraining orders is going to be a good thing. It's not going to be the answer. But here's something that I saw floated that was very interesting to me. When we've had crime, critical crime issues in the past, one of the things that we've done is we've organized, for example, specific law enforcement task forces designed to deal with it. Like like um gang ask forces and specific tasking specific entities to try

to tackle the problem from multiple angles. I do wonder if it's time for a specific umkin like you could even be like a federal local law enforcement partnership like HI to high intensity drug trafficking area. They started when they realized how bad the drug problem was. The FBI, d a local law enforcement all working together. Yeah, David, we gotta leave it there because we're gonna run into

our heart break. But everyone should go check out David's work Nashal Review dot com, David French, follow him on Twitter, and David, thank you for some very thoughtful contributions to what has been, uh quite a discussion this week in some ways as you as I'm sure you've seen so I appreciate the pieces you're you and the rest of your colleagues that n are putting up there. So thank you so much. Well, thanks much, appreciate it. All right, team,

we're gonna roll into a break. Will be back. I want to talk to you about a little immigration story that's not getting nearly enough attention. I feel like we should give it a whole a more attention, and I'm gonna do that in just a couple of minutes, so stay with me. And yet we get no help from the state of California. They are doing a lousy management job. They have the highest taxes in the nation. They don't

know what's happening out there. It's a it's a frankly, it's a disgrace the sanctuary city situation and the protection of these horrible criminals in California and other places, but in California. That if we haven't pulled our ice out and we haven't said, hey, let California alone, let them figure it out for themselves, in two months, they'd be begging for us to come back. They would be begging.

And you know what I'm thinking about doing it. He's thinking about pulling immigrations and customs enforcement out of the state of California. WHOA all right now? Is he serious?

I don't know. We're talking about Trump here, everybody. Would he maybe be willing to roll the dice on this one to make the point It would be a powerful point at at what would happen in the state of California if all of a sudden, the federal member it was fought by the the obadministration fought state efforts to help in immigration enforcement, and the federal court this was in Arizona, held that, okay, only the federal government can

do immigration enforcement. But I think that also then raises an interesting question about, well, what happens if the federal government were to say, you know what, for this state, we don't think we need to have our resources there. We don't think we have to actually prioritize immigration immigration

enforcement in that state. So we're just gonna pull all of our resources out, or even just a lot of them, even just to have a policy of prioritization that directs the immigrations and customs enforcement folks in California, or just not do anything. You know, you've got other things you gotta worry about, guys. I don't know. State could probably

sue for a little while. I'm sure California would actually overall, I mean, the people listening to the show in California are a conservative, so they're like, oh my gosh, the taxes in my state. It's run so poorly. It's it's all crumbling. People are running to Colorado and Texas and all these other places. Um, but I think for a little while there would be almost like an immigration Jubilee

in California. People would just say, yeah, you know, now everything is great and it's wonderful, and we're it's a it's a it's a fresh start for immigration policy here and everything else. But then they'd realize what happens if you just have unrestricted inflow into one state? What would that do? Now? Look, I know they can't really do if they're not really going to do this, but I just think it's interesting that, first of all, it doesn't even get Trump says this and again barely gets noticed

at all. People don't even really bring it up. They're just kind of like, yeah, you know whatever, you know, it's just just just Trump being Trump. And and yet this would have quite the impact were he to do it. And it shows that that the sanctuary city issue is not is not yet going to fade into the ether. Also, it's been in California. I just had to note. I read a story on how San Francisco is just parts of San Francis, which is a beautiful city. I've I've

really enjoyed some time I've spent there. There's a lot of really nice stuff, but the food is incredible. It's a it's actually a physically very beautiful place, but because of all their policies, particularly when it comes to the vagrancy and homelessness and you know, drug use and all this stuff, and just general law enforcement and civic clean up. I guess I don't know even what you'd call it.

That there are whole areas of California now that the quote in the paper was looked like a third world trash dump. A whole whole area of San Francisco, I said, californ him in sanc im in San Francisco. Whole parts of San Francisco look like, uh, just a giant pile of refuse because of the policies of the city. And it makes you think, how can you have a city

that's so expensive. There's a tremendous concentration wealth in the Bay Area, and that just allows there's like needles everywhere, and there's human you know, refuse on the streets a lot, and all kinds of stuff going on there. It's just a mess. And I asked a friend of mine who spent a lot of time out there, went to school out there, and he said, oh no, this is true in San Francisco. This this is happening right now. In

some parts of downtown. It is. It is gross. I just wonder, you know, at what point do progressives At what point did they cross the threshold where they realized that their policy preferences aren't worth being ankle deep in in urine and use needles. You know, at what point do they Because in New York they had to cross the threshold and took them well, and they got there, and now New York is actually really safe and clean.

We'll talk more about immigration coming up here. I gotta run to a break, but we'll be back with more. Stay with me. Oh, I have another bit of immigration news to share with you today. Look at this. You know, you you poke around a little bit in the headlines. You find some stuff that you might not have otherwise. So, okay, Trump's comment about maybe pulling immigrations and costins enforcement out

of California, you got that. But then you also, and this is courtesy of the Hill not calm, today, you also have the Immigration Agency itself removing the phrase nation of immigrants from its mission statements. Removing that phrase. Let me share the little warn Your US Citizenship and Immigration Services altered mission statement on Thursday by taking out a reference to the United States as a nation of immigrants.

The new mission statement reads US Citizenship and Immigration Services administers the nation's lawful immigration system, safeguarding its integrity and promise by efficiently and fairly adjudicating requests for immigration benefits, while protecting Americans, securing the homeland, and arguing our values. The agency says, the new mission statement focuses on the

priorities of fairness, lawfulness, and efficiency. Ah So a little a little bit of of propaganda taken out of the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Uh motto mission well, mission statement not motto. Looks like they have changed things up a little bit. Look at that. I have to say. This is Uh, this is one of these things where you sit around, you think about this more and more you realize,

what what does that even mean? We're a nation of immigrants. Uh, it's not true in the sense that every nation is a nation of immigrants. There's no say if you're going to play the well my an ancestors came here from somewhere else game. Uh, there is no country that I can think of that that is not the case, right, I mean, someone came from somewhere at some point in time. So what is the distinction that is being made. Why are we being told at the time, well, we're a

nation of immigrants. It's really just a point of propaganda to suggests that that there's no difference whatsoever. And look, legal immigrants, great, welcome, God bless good to have you in America. But the notion that there's no such thing really even as an immigrant, because everyone's just an American and you know, an American and waiting or an American that came here through immigration, is historical revisionism. It's not

the truth. And this is one of these little things that I know people are going to spend a lot of tension on. But you know, you start to look at this, you say to yourself, oh, that talking point that's been repeated by the media for the last twenty or thirty years ad nauseum. It's just not even accurate. Never mind, it's kind of a worthless thing to say. Like saying that they'll do the jobs Americans won't do.

What a sweeping nonsensical statement to make. Uh yeah, maybe people that are unlikely to be filing any income tax of any kind will take a different wage basis for their labor than people who are planning to actually file a an income tax report. And there's also the issue of people who are here illegally being more likely to take lower skilled, lower paying jobs because they're just looking for any work here, because they're not supposed to be in the country in the first place. But the slogans.

Getting rid of the slogans is not a small thing, no longer having every journalist who wants a cheap round of applause go, well, we're a nation of immigrants. I don't think that that's accurate, because it's not. We're not a nation of immigrants any more so than every other country that has borders immigration policies. As a nation of immigrants.

It's just nonsense. Um. And yet it's taken this long for us to get to a point where we'll finally say, okay, maybe we'll take that out of the mission statement of the agency that has the mandate of enforcing border security. So isn't also just I have to note that immigration dropped off the docket. I understand why, we all understand why, but just entirely and so quickly. It was supposed to be the big policy fight really of the first quarter

of the first few months of the year. There's tied to the budget, the dead increase, all that, and it's just gotten pushed the waist. A Trump showdown with sanctuary cities. I still think it's coming, but man, it has been. It has been cast aside without without much a do without without much fanfare. So anyway, well, we'll be back on the immigration issue soon, I think, and especially if Trump decides he's gonna pull mmgrations and custers enforcement from California.

That would be interesting. We're gonna get into some roll call coming up. Stay with me. Oh but by by the way, before I I actually go into that, break hold on a second, there was one other thing I wanted to toss the mixer, and that is that, uh California, because we're mentioning it with the immigrations and custs of enforcement thing. Uh, California agriculture is seeing a quote chilling

and damaging effect from a wave of immigration audits. So there's already an impact here from the escalation of enforcement priorities or an enforcement period that the Trump administration has on illegals and on on employers. That's always been the part of this that Republicans in elected office seemed to get the squishiest on the fastest, fastest. They they're all, you know, oh yeah, I'll talk tough on the board

and everything else. The moment you say, hold on a second, a we're gonna start telling employe or is that they can't keep doing this, and that means finding them and holding them accountable. Then then Republicans in the Congress start to get all, hey, hold on a second, we needn't think this, think about this a little more. You know, we're a nation, we're a nation of immigrance. You know,

they're doing the jobs Americans won't do. You know. Then the talking points come out, So I've already seen there's an impact here. I just want to note that that story and and now with that my friends will get

into roll call. Man, it is a rainy and bleak day here in New York, and it feels like kind of a gut punch after yesterday when, for no apparent reason, it was in the mid seventies here it was it was straight up California t shirt weather, Hangton calibunga uh, even though no one ever has really said that except for the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, and I guess Spaccoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High, which, by the way, it's not not doesn't really stand up, doesn't we stand up.

I got a little heat last night because I said something that you're all welcome to weigh in on two. I got a little heat because I just wrote on Twitter that the Batman Trilogy by Nolan, you know, by Christopher Nolan directed directed it, that is good but not great, and everyone pretends it's amazing, and I just think it's true. It was on last night one of them, and I'm like this, There's so many plot holes. There's a lot of noise, you know, not a lot of character development.

There's some problems. The first one is the best overall movie in my opinion. The second one has the best performance Heath Ledger Arrest in Peace. He was the joker. The third one is just kind of a mess. The third one doesn't even make any sense. I don't know. I was not into it. And Christopher Nolan, I think it's all a little grandiose and heavy handed sometimes. But you know, everyone thinks I'm well, not everyone. A lot

of people think I'm wrong. On that one. I was just in a mood because I knew it was pouring rain outside, just bleak, wet, rainy, dark nastiness here in New York, So, uh does affect your mood? Um, I'm excited that I get to have a dinner tonight after the show with my little sis, who is an amazing lawyer. She's she's a lawyer who does all the important stuff that lawyer. I don't even really know what she does. Is realized that I know she's a lawyer, but I'm

gonna beyond that. I can't speak to me specifics. We're gonna hang out, have some big bro little cis time and chat about about life and all the different things. And it's important because she is the same age as Miss Molly, so that means that I can I can ask my little sis to tell me about what's going on in the pop culture world, so I don't seem like some out of touch old fogy. And then I'm like, hey, do you hear about the new Tyler the Creator album?

There's some great cuts on it, man, it's awesome. And also Taylor Swift, which I'm not gonna lie. I actually I do know a bit about Taylor Swift, so Lebrator whole catalog. So now that I've sufficiently wandered off into no man's land here for no apparent reason. Let's get into some some roll call. Team buck it's time for

roll call. I think it's a very important part of the show because it allows those of you who either listen a little later on, because you know, we've got the twenty four hour stream of this show, so you can just go to other bucks x and dot com or the I heart app anytime if you missed the show, you click and it just streams on the I heart app the buck Sexton Show. So if you're listening on delay but there's something you really you're like, dag knabbit, Buck,

you got that One't wrong again? U? You can you know, you can send me a very kind and supportive text, not text passage, sorry whoa email or Facebook message. Not giving out my cell phone number just yet, but email uh to official Team Bucket Gmail dot com or Facebook dot com slash buck Sexton, and that's I feel like that's a way to make sure that everybody's a part of the conversation, not just our wonderful live callers throughout the show. So now with that we will get into

some roll call. I do this, I do this as I go, So that means that sometimes I don't really know, uh you know, I don't really know what I'm getting until I get into it a little bit. So, James writes in Buck, I just finished season one of Sneaky Pete on Amazon. I loved it, starring Giovanni Rubisi and directed by Brian Cranston Sneaky Pete. I will write that one down and I will check it out. I'm keeping two lists. One is the shows that I have either seen and want to go back to, and then the

others new shows. So only go back to list the Americans Great Show. I just got distracted and then I stopped watching it because I don't know why the same thing with Justified Great Show didn't get to finish. And now I'm looking at some other stuff. Ozark, I'm burning through with Miss Molly. We went through the marvelous Mrs Masel very very quickly. The lead actress in that it's an Amazon Prime show lead actresses is incredible, very very talented. So let's get to here we go. Don next up here,

rights Buck, you're an analyst. There seems to be a recurring pattern here. The Underwear Bomber reported the FBI by his father surnee of brothers reported the FBI by Russian officials. Sandy Hook shooter, known to his high school officials and local police, is potentially violent. The Arizona shooter, known to his high school officials and local police, is potentially violent. The Aurora shooter, known to university officials, is potentially violent.

The South Texas church shooter known to Air Force officials for domestic violence, the Florida shooter known to high school officials and local police, and the FBI was notified that he was potentially violent. This what you've just written to me, Donna's that's all accurate from my memory here. All of those things you just wrote to me are true. All those statements are accurate. It is it is not let's be let's be serious about it. It It is not confidence

inspiring for the FBI's ability to intervene and deter. But you know, this is a whole other discussion, and it's not one that a lot of folks generally like to get into. But I'm not going to shy away from it just because law enforcement exactly like law enforcement exists to create the uh, the normalcy of data of a day to day life where you have an expectation of some rule of law, some piece, some safety, some security,

all of that. Right, law enforcement also does a whole lot of punishment after the fact for those who break the law invested. A lot of investigations are about I mean a vast majority of investigations are about what has happened, and then you get into well, how do you stop somebody who would be a mass shooter? That's similar conversations, So how do you stop somebody who has radicalized and

would be a terrorist? And intervening and preventing someone from taking an illegal action in the absence of illegal action is not something that law enforcement excels at. And there are some structural reasons for that law enforce in this case, I'm talking about the FBI, but there are reasons for that. One is that it's just really hard to do and

I understand that, right. So this is where we start to get into pre crime, that Tom Cruise movie, that whole notion of stopping someone before they do something bad because you know they're gonna do it, Well, how do you really know? But then also you see how we have a different approach in this country. I've mentioned this to you before to what we do with intelligence versus

law enforcement. You know, Britain has uh M I five, Germany has the I believe it's the b f V. The French have the d G S I. So there are all these different European countries that take essentially an intelligence collection approach and apply it specifically to preventing things from happening in those countries where and now whether they do it better or not as a separate discussion, But here we have the FBI is not really an intelligence agency,

it's a law enforcement agency, and there's always attention there. So the intervention before the event can be tricky, right, because you want to first of all, you have to know, as I said, and then also you have to make sure that if you do intervene, you have a sound basis for it. You don't blow sources and methods, you don't accelerate other planning that could be going on from associated individuals. There's a lot of different moving pieces in this.

Preventing evil, venting wrong doing, preventing lawbreaking is a whole lot harder than punishing those who break the law. And that's a that's a disparity that I don't think we spend much time thinking about when we look at these events. But we've gotten really good as a society at punishing lawbreakers.

We've gotten really good at you know, if you commit a murder and you have any connection to the person, there's a very good chance, very good chance you'll be charged, whether you'll whether a jury of peers will go along, and that can be a little more tricky sometimes. Um, but that's you know that, that's where we are right now. It's it's not a it's not an easy thing to do to say, hey, you've got to stop people before they take illegal acts. Now, before anyone starts yelling at me.

I understand in the case of the floor is shooting, there were illegal acts, comments about illegal threats, uh, and there was a basis for mental health intervention. I get all that, But I'm just saying in general, so so law enforces straight up did everyone's been saying It's true, drop the ball on that. But in general, it's going to be harder to stop somebody from doing something than to punish people who do wrong and then hope that

that keeps the rest of us basically on line. In line cade with the following I Good Morning Book I have a request for you to send to your tech nerds. I'm a daily podcast listener and I often have trouble hearing the podcast. Can you have the volume increased? Also, I'm completely disgusted about what I saw on CNN last night. I'm not sure of seeing anything like it. Imagine if they did something similar to Clinton or Obama regarding any

number of topics. Yeah, I'm I mean, that's I've been saying. Cade. I am completely horrified by the whole thing too. Although it doesn't surprise me at all. I know CNN well up close and personal, nothing about what happened. They're surprised me. In fact, I was expecting it. I didn't watch it because I knew it would happen, and then I realized, well, it was so grotesque that I have to go back and watch it. So I did in the in the

wee hours of the morning last night. Um. But and as to the podcast, the guys here telling me I just need to speak in the Mike Moore, I get very animated in the hut, and so sometimes I I bounce around and you know, I uh, sometimes I'm moving my hands around and stuff, and I forget that my Mike is not near my mouth, So I'm gonna try to be a little more discipline. I'm gonna have greater Mike disciplinestead of you know, people talking about muzzle discipline

gotta be safe. Uh, Mike discipline is something I'm gonna work on here. With that, my friends, I am gonna shut down the Freedom Hunt for the evening. But tomorrow we got a Freestyle Friday coming your way. I already have some fun surprises in store for you. Hopefully, if the news cycle cooperates, will have kind of a a chilled out and relaxing show. I'm hoping that will be possible to take us into the weekend. So get ready for that, and until then, no matter what comes your way, Shields Hi