Hong Kong Versus The Communists

be crushed? We've got that, Plus updates on the Epstein case coming up on The buck Sexton Show. This is the buck Sexton Show where the mission or mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake America, You're a great American Again, the buck Sexton Show begins. Remember would you also do that? M Allowzarus's words etched on the Statue of Liberty, give me you're tired, your poor are also part of the American eCos. They

certainly are give me you're tired and you're poor. Who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge That that plaque was put on the Statue of Liberty at almost the same time as the first public charge, whiways passed. Very interesting timing. Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show, where we talk about things that actually matter instead of what the news cycle

sometimes wants us all to talk about. Yes, yes, I know, later on, because I'm sure some of you might be a bit curious, we are going to have Jesse Kelly and Sean Parnell, my friends, both of them step into the thunderdome to you know, to men enter, one man leaves situation just kidding. They love each other too, to talk about the Chris Cuomo bro Cuomo getting very upset Fredo Gate. Perhaps we could call it that now, it's the Fredo debacle that storm social media. And some of

you are like, Buck, what are you talking about? I'm here to say, Look, it's later on in the show, so you know, I'll tell you about it then, because it is not important interesting to talk interesting water cooler conversation. I almost said wine cooler conversation, but I haven't had one of those in a long time. Although I did try a white claw recently. Producer Mark, do not make fun of me. It was pretty good. I love white claws.

See they're pretty delicious. I understand. It's like the new Zema, but it's still pretty good. So everyone's focused on the Tapper thing, I mean not Tapper things, sorry, different guy Cuomo thing. Where there's video and we'll play the video for you later. We'll have Jesse and Sean because they have different opinions as to whether Cuomo handled us the right way. It's interesting to talk about. It doesn't really matter what we came into at the top of the show.

Does matter, which is the administration trying to change an important component of immigration policy. And here's the short version of it. Ken Cuccinelli is out there saying things like, we invite people to come here and join us as a privilege. Not everyone has the right to be an American. That's a very straightforward, you can say, very basic statement. How could anyone be upset at that? Where's the problem

with that? Isn't our immigration system. Don't we have immigration laws specifically so that we can control who comes into this country, but as importantly make sure that those who are coming into this country are brought in primarily for the benefit of the people already here. That America does not owe the world anything. We can make choices about how many people from the rest of the world we want to take in as immigrants, and that's why we

have immigration law. This is very fundamental, very basic stuff, also very important because the left now has adopted a position that any restrictions of any kind on immigration, any enforcement of immigration laws, is more or less rooted in white nationalism and hatred. Wow, that's been quite a shift from even the Obama years, when the Obama administration was deporting hundreds of thousands of people. Now we're told that if you still think that that's a good idea, it

must be because of white nationalism. And the Democratic Party has gone crazy fast. And one of the ways that they've been able to go so crazy is by covering up their progression into insanity on immigration issues with lie after lie after lie. And here we see yet another one where we have decided we are essentially going to do what the administration is claiming, they're gonna do what's

already the law. They put out a statement, the White Hospital of a statement saying the following, preserving the social safety net, we must ensure that non citizens do not abuse our public benefit programs and jeopardize the social safety net needed by vulnerable Americans. And then they have data points here large numbers of non citizens and their families have taken advantage of our generous public benefits, limited resources

that could otherwise go to vulnerable Americans. Seventy eight percent of households headed by a non citizen with no more than a high school education use at least one welfare program. Fifty eight percent of all households headed by a non citizen use at least one welfare program. So almost six out of ten and half of all non citizen headed households include at least one person who uses Medicaid. My friends,

this is already the law. It already says in our immigration statutes that you are not to people are not allowed to be a public charge, meaning to be on the public dole if they're going to immigrate, and we're talking about legal immigrants to the country. It's not supposed to happen. This is of course not enforced. And what would it mean to enforced. They would mean, okay, well they're going to take away They're either going to say you can't get a green card, or they'll take away

a green card if you continue to get public benefits. Now, this should be a pretty straightforward conversation, but we're always being lied to by liberals. That's why I like talking about immigration situation because I tell you the truth here about it. You're being lied to by the by the

corporate mainstream media all the time on immigration constantly. How many of you have heard just just think, just go back in your own memory, how many of even heard, Oh, immigrants they pay more in in taxes than they take out in benefits. They don't take any government benefits. They they're the ones that are We hear this all the time.

They're the ones keeping Social Security afloat. Okay, if this is true, then what's the big problem with us saying that the law which currently says you can't be a public charge if you're going to be a legal immigrant the United States? What's the problem with enforcing that If all they're doing is keeping US afloat? Immigrants of all kinds were always told are are better than Americans, right, particularly illegal immigrants better than Americans. That's the Democrat talking point.

And I mean better by you know, they do the jobs that Americans won't do, they pay more in taxes than they then they take out of the system and all these other things. But if you cut off there, if you threatened to cut off the benefits of the member. The welfare benefits as what we're talking about, the welfare benefits of immigrants in this country. You're a monster. Well,

which is it, folks, It can't be both. We are being lied to on this issue, just like we're being lied to on so many other components of immigration, and yet Democrats are not held responsible for all these misrepresentations, all these slogans that are just meant to be propaganda to divert the American people from really knowing what's happening. The law is currently that you cannot be a welfare case and come into this country as an immigrant. That is,

that is what the law is supposed to accomplish. It is obviously not doing that. And I saw I think it was was it? I forget it. I think it was David Horowitz, But I'm I'd have that I might be confusing with someone else. Put this out on Twitter today, because you know this, we invite people to come here and join us as a privilege. Not everyone has a

right to be an American. That's what Ken Cuccinelli said on an NPR radio show, and everyone on the left freaked out about that, and they all point to the oh, and he said, quote, give me you're tired, and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and

who will not become a public charge. That's the acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Ken Cucinelli talking about this Trump administration policy, and also the poem which we're always told about, this Mma Lazarus poem, which is attached to the Statue of Liberty, as though that's one of the amendments of the Constitution. It's a poem at a tourist attraction. It does not have the force of what

doesn't mean anything. It's for it's for school kids to look at it and hopefully memorize so their teachers will be happy with them. That's it. But Horowitz pointed this

out today. One year before Emma Lazarus's poem in the Statue of Liberty, it Congress overwhelmingly passed the Immigration Act of eighteen eighty two, barring any public charge from even stepping foot on US soil, and the Act instructed Treasury Official section two of it that if on such examination there shall be found among such passengers any convict, lunatic, idiot, or any person unable to take care of himself or herself without becoming a public charge. Such persons shall not

be permitted to land. So this whole Oh, but what about the Statue of Liberty and nation of immigrants? Then also on. Until recently, it was just understood that we were going to accept some immigrants and not others. And is it a fair world we live in? No? Is it fair that some people are born into crappy countries other people get born into America? No, or even countries that are just kind of okay, But people want to be American because it's the best country. No, there's a

lot of unfairness in the world. It's not fair that I'm not, you know, six five and jaw droppingly handsome. There's a lot of unfairness in the world. But that doesn't mean that we can abandon the rule of law because one political party feels good making a case about how, oh, things are unfair. Therefore, let's just pretend that we can't make rules about these things. This is I think this is a more important story than anything else going on

to accept Hong Kong. Hong Kong protesters facing off with the Chinese government. We'll get into that in the second hour. My friend Steve Yates, we'll be joining to discuss that. I have a lot of thoughts on it, and then also we will as I mentioned, we'll get into you know, Fredo Gate, Chris Cuomo being called Fredo. I've never seen somebody in the media lose their cool as much as he did. But you know, we'll have a lot. I'm sure you'll have different thoughts on this and opinions, and

we have both sides of it. Sean takes a well, I won't spoil it. I'll let Champarnell and Jesse Kelly address it themselves later on. We also have some follow up on the Epstein case for you. So a varied show today, going to cover a lot of ground, a

lot of territory, as we always do. But there's also another story that is in the realm of immigration and more specifically immigration and custom enforcement customs enforcement that I bet none of you, Hulton said, none of you, A very small percentage of you have heard about because it's not getting much media coverage at all, and it is indicative of the enormous double standard about rhetoric and leading to violent action. I will tell you what it is

in just a moment. Stay with me. I just want to establish before I tell you about this news store were still getting updates on that. All last week. We were told by some of the wealthiest, most prominent, biggest platformed individuals in the media and the Democratic Party that Trump's rhetoric led to violence. That's what they were saying. It was Trump's fault. What happened in El Paso. They

made Dayton just fade out very quickly, didn't they? The leftist who supported Elizabeth Warren, who was all about socialist policies of one kind or another, that that didn't really get much attention at all. It did it El Paso though, That was Trump's fault. That was the talking point for the week. That was the narrative, that was the storyline. If you wanted to get on TV at CNN, MSNBC, just say that Trump had blood on his hands in one way or another. That's what they were saying, was

directly responsible for the violence. That was the message. That was the propaganda effort last week. Okay, how many of you have heard that in San Antonio, Texas police had to make an arrest because somebody fired off rounds into an Ice Immigrations and Customs Enforcement building there. Why isn't that getting more attention? Oh, because I wonder when they finally get to a question this suspect. They have one

suspect and custody. I'm not sure if they think they if they know they have the right guy yet or not. Of course, everyone's presumed innocence until proven guilty. But I would wonder if this individual would say that he fired off rounds into a there were people in it, by the way, there were people in the facility, fired bullets

through the window of a federal law enforcement building. If it was because he had heard from prominent the most prominent Democrats really in the country that ICE was operating the equivalent of Holocaust concentration camps, because that's what AOC had said, which would make the people working for Immigration and Customs enforcement morally on the same plane as Nazi

prison guards at the concentration camps. And if somebody really believed that, and remember, she's never apologized, they've doubled down on it, they haven't walked away from that unbelievably reckless, stupid slander. I wonder how many people in the country hear that and think that they are righteous if they take action against the government. There has been a series of events folks and Washington Examiner pull them together. You had last month protesters with Never Again blocked the entrances

to ICE's national headquarters in Washington. D C. Okay blocked the entrance. I mean, that's not as serious as some of these other things, but it's there's an escalating effect here. In July, police in Tacoma, Washington had to fatally shoot an armed man after he hurled molotov cocktails at an Immigration Customs enforce in building trying to set the propane

tanks alike I believe, blow up the building. Also in July, a group of protesters in Aurora, Colorado, took down an American flag and two other flags from outside an ICE facility, raised a Mexican flag and a defaced thin blue line flag commemorating law enforcement. This is hostility to federal law enforcement, in some cases violent felonious criminal hostility to federal law enforcement. Now, I just would like to know, before anything terrible does

happen here, is this in fact? Is this in fact a standard that will be applied by the Democrats on their side of things? Are we going to hear them say, you know, what AOC and the rest of these Democrats out there, including many of the Democrats who are running for president right now, they need to tone it down. They need to stop saying terrible things about immigration and cust enforcement, saying that it's humane, we're locking children in cages.

I couldn't believe it's still sitting on the bill Marshow recently I had the former governor of Michigan start shrieking at me, kids in cages, kids in cages. I wasn't even I wasn't even talking about to tension at the board. I was trying to talk about paying for healthcare for illegal aliens. But it's just But that's the point, though, is that now anytime a anytime a lib here's you talk about immigration, they've just been programmed as they kids

in cages, kids in cages. Okay, what about what about rule of law? What about deporting MS thirteen gang members? Healthcare for illegal aliens? How expensive will that be? What will how will that tax the current healthcare system? What does it mean for schools? And they have to devote a huge proportion of their resources to English as a second language training because of recent arrivals under the asylum rules.

I mean, just normal questions you'd want to discuss in a society that you hope to be functional and well ordered. You look at a lot of liberal Democrats now a lot of leftists, and they just they look at you this, that's a very You raise a very interesting point about what it will do if we start paying for healthcare for illegal aliens out of the treasury, which is money taken from citizens. But kids in cages, kids in cages, that's all you're gonna hear, that's the response. That's all

they need. What's going to happen When we ask democrats if there is a terrible, infinite an ICE facility, which looks like it's just a matter of time, Now, what are they going to tell us if something happens kids in cages? I think so. Also, first of all, I never said that of the raiges you call we're focused on violent criminals. I've never said that. And also I

think words matter. These aren't raids. These are targeted in law enforcement operations, and in this case, this was a joint criminal investigation with ICE and the Department of Justice targeting work site enforcement, meaning companies that knowingly and willfully hire illegal aliens so that in most cases they can pay them reduced wages exploit them further for their bottom line. That's what this investigation was about, a criminal investigation, Jake.

Mark Morgan slapping down some of Jake Tapper's propaganda. There another guy, you know, lives in a mansion and wants to lecture the rest of America about how we're not welcoming enough. We've taken a million immigrants a year legally and are going to have close to a million illegal immigrants from just Central America alone this year. But we all need the constant lecture from the CNN, the CNN live millionaires about how we're just not open minded enough.

And it's any objection to the current immigration situation and enforcement of the laws. It's based in white nationalism. Mark Morgan, there's a guy's running ice. He's right, running sorry BECAU border control, whatever it is. He's right. Words do matter. This is why I refuse to say undocumented, although I wonder if at some point I'll be in a place where they'll just mandate that I have to say it

or else. That's what the Libs always do. At first, it's suggested you use their terminology and then it's you better say this or else. Just like with the pronouns, the transgender fights all that stuff, they don't leave it to your discretion. They want to control the language. But he also brought up there what I think is a very bipartisan issue of sensitivity, which is that you have these employers who are exploiting, exploiting illegal aliens and paying

them below what the wages are they should. And keep in mind, if they're paying them off the books, then these employers are getting a competitive advantage versus those who are legally employing individuals. And you might say, oh, buck, well,

isn't that what the market will bear now? Because guess what all the social costs of illegal immigrants in this country, all the things we're talking before, being a public charge, welfare benefits, and all the rest of it that they voice that onto the general public, and they just pay them very very low wages and they're and a lot of the illegals are just happy to be here getting those wages because they know that the rest of the benefits of being in America come along with just being

in America. So I mean to call them raids. Yeah, we're hearing these stories they make it sound like Ice is busting through doors with flash bangs and you know, firing warning shots with MP fives everywhere, just like you know, freak everybody out. They're showing up as a law enforcement operation, and they're saying, Okay, who is here legally? Who is here illegally? We're going to enforce the law. But the

liberal media cheers against law enforcement. The liberal media cheers against every aspect of law enforcement except for investigations of Donald Trump, and those are sacro sancte. The only law enforcement officials that I have heard in recent years anybody in the elite media in favor of are those who are deep state coup plotters against Donald Trump. Any other aspect of law enforcement, local law enforce and immigrations and

customs enforcement, you know, cops, border patrol. Libs can't stand them, can't stand them. Think they're racist, Think they're bad, think they're thugs. Just look at what Warren and Kamala Harris said about about Officer Wilson up in Ferguson, formerly of the Ferguson Police Department, to leave his job, lying about him being a murderer. Just pandering, just pandering. But that's what we expect from libs lots and lots of pandering.

By the way, as an assign here, I just wanted to say, welcome to one of our newest affiliates here, w r aw in Reading Pennsylvania. So if you're listening on w thank you so much for tuning in. Welcome to Team Buck, Welcome to the Freedom Hunt. Now. I did tell you all that later on in the show we would address is it Fredo Gate or Cuomo Gate or whatever we're calling it now, which is it's fun to talk about, although it's not an important story. We're going to spend the next hour much more in depth

on Hong Kong, China. Steve Yates, who he's a Mandarin speaker, spend a ton of time in China and Taiwan and as well, and it was a policy expert in this region for many, many years working for the government. So you know, he's someone that I think you should hear from on this. But later on in the show we

will get into what happened with Chris Cuomo. I did want to just before we get there, I'll play the clip for you where he's going completely bonkers on this guy that a costed him in public which is not cool, but we do have. The whole problem was they called him Fredo. They called Chris Cuomo, a brother of New York's governor, um Andrew Cuomo. The guy who talks like this on this show is his brother. Don't call my little brother Fredo. It makes him very, very met which means,

of course we're all gonna call him Fredo now. But there's this dispute over whether or not it's an ethnic slur to call him Italian person Fredo. Here's the problem. C N used the term Fredo on air to make fun of people for being the wayward family member quite frequently. Play clip two, Fredo, he's from the Godfather Here was a weak brothers Italian okay, Saltan people people's word for us, Lenny. I mean, he kind of makes Don Junior to be

Fredo and godfather too. It was Michael Flynn, Don Corleone or at Rofia fam where run by Michael Corleone or one run by his weakling brother Fredo. Look, Devin Nudez, he's privy himself again and again to be the Fredo of the Republican Party. Cruelly compare Donald Trump Junior to Fredo Corleone vivately refers to President Trump's son in law Jared Kushner as Fredo, right, because Bennet has broke my heart.

Fredo so is just the Cuomo. This is a preface because later on we'll get into this in more detail. Cuomo's contention at CNN backed him up and use the term ethnic slur is that Fredo's an ethnic slur. CNN uses it all the time. So this is a little bit apart from the ethics of how to confront somebody who's being rude to you in public for no reason. But just remember that Fredo is not an ethnic slur. That's not up for debate. We've got more coming up.

Team stay with me, Yes going out for a long time episode, and I know it's under investigation by his journey General Bart. I'm sure you're gonna be handling again the Reek, which is why I was from somebody that very respected to gernat abundance. So I think that was fun Yew. Basically, what we're zegas do you want an investigation? I want a full investigation. That's what I absolutely ever demanded. That's what our attorney general, our great Attorney general, is

doing he's doing a full investigation. You really think that Clinton turn called the Epidas death. I have no idea. I know he was going to plane twenty seven times, and he said he was on the plane four times. But when they checked the plane love Bill Clinton, who was a very good friend of Epistein, he was on the plane about twenty seven or twenty eight times. I'm not going to drop the Epstein case, Attorney General Barr says he's not going to drop the Epstein case. Let's

see if we can get some more answers here. That was the president speaking in front of marine one. I do wish that the president would I don't could they have him turned down the engines or something. I'm sorry that some of that audio. I just like to share the what we call the news actuality from the day, so you can hear the president himself, but not audio quality. We got to get them to tone those those jet engines or the helicopter rotors, whatever it is, tone it

down a little bit. So that's I think an aside. We could both push that aside for a second. A few things in what he said here. One he doubles down on this tweet, saying the tweet that he shared about how maybe the Clintons were involved, we didn't really know. And look, that's the that's the president. Sometimes he's a little ambish, you know. Sometimes the President likes to just poke people a bit. And I know some of you probably find it very amusing. Some of you probably think

it's absolutely crazy that he does that. But that's something that really does happen. Where the president decides that he's just gonna troll I think is what the what the kids called, He's gonna troll people. But then he also brought up something that I tweeted about today. And even though the President was going to bring this up or no, I'm sorry, I tweeter about in response the President bringing it up, but I didn't know that it was going

to come up today. And that is the number of times that Bill Clinton was on Epstein's plane, his official the Clinton spokesperson. That's got to be quite a job. You got to shovel a lot of stuff around there. The official spokesperson had said that it was four times, and the President went out and said it was twenty seven. I brought this up. I feel like this should be an issue where we have absolute clarity and there's been

some dueling numbers out there. What I've been told by other journals or I'm not a journal, but by journals, is that it was four trips with a total of twenty seven legs different flights. Now to this, I say, those must have been some trips. You got seven flights per trip? I mean, you know how many places are we really going here? What are these trips? Four? That's one quick observation about this. Another one is, well, if it's twenty seven flights, why not just say twenty seven flights?

Because if that's what it is, that's what it is. To say four trips, that to me seems like they're trying to downplay the amount of time that Bill Clinton spent with this man, because if if you're talking about, you know, when people bring up a flight, it does make a difference at least if you're thinking about what kind of association they had. Hey are you going to DC? I'm going to DC. We're in Palm Beach hop on

my plane. That's one thing. Hey are you you want to come with me to Tokyo and we're gonna make six stops on the way. I'm not saying he went to Tokyo. But wherever they went, that's a different thing. That's a greater level of familiarity and friendship that Clinton and Epstein would have had. So I just would like more more clarity on that. Trump think that there's something up here for sure, And I can tell all these

libs try to tie Trump into this stuff. But as I've said, he's the only one that before before the sort of democles of all the information and all the evidence came down on Epstein's neck, which it should have long before it happened. Before that happened and he was finally prosecuted, Trump was the one who said, get out of my club. You're a sicko, you're a weirdo, and I'll waant you here now. I also so we need

clarity on the flights and what happened there. Then there's another thing, what is the reality of Epstein's funds, his money and all this other stuff. I don't know if we're ever going to find out. I think that he was very adept at hiding money, hiding funds. We'll find out some stuff, but I mean, there's no way this guy was a great money manager. The one thing that I saw was he invested. I think he invested in some fund that lost forty or fifty million dollars. I mean,

this guy was not some ace investor, all right. He didn't make all of his money by making great calls, no way. So how did he make his money? Well, you know, there's a vanity Fair piece, and usually I wouldn't psyche Vanity Fair here about. Sometimes they write interesting stuff and this is how it opened. And then I want to dive into this with you a little bit. Is it possible prosecutors have lost track of Geelane Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's alleged co conspirator in his pedophile ring. For

the past few weeks. Rumors have circulated that she's four hundred pounds and living in Florida, or that she's living the high life in London or the continent. But according to the Washington Post, authorities are having a hard time locating her. Those who know her say that it's possible she is as much of a Houdini as Epstein. Both of them liked having secrets and the way those secrets kept people off balance. Jeffrey always wanted to give the

impression he was an international man of mystery. I control everyone and everything. I collect people, I own people. I can damage people, says an ex girlfriend. I can damage people, I own people, I collect people. This is a recurring theme for anybody that knew this guy. And now there are some people who are early stage reporting because there was this FBI raid on the Pedophile Island. People are saying that it was all set up for very detailed surveillance.

Pedophile Island, the island that he owned in the Caribbean. And there are some who are saying that this may have been the center in many ways of the black mail ring that I do believe was very much what. Maybe it wasn't all of what Epstein's financial gain came from, but I do think that this was a substantial portion of it. You know, give me that money to invest, because I'm a great investor, slash, I have blackmail material that could ruin your life. Epstein would have said to people.

That's a pretty easy financial proposition to get done, isn't it. Hey, give me that one hundred million dollars to do whatever I want with. Never mind, just invest I'll invest it, you know, but maybe I'll do some other stuff with it or else. You know, I have video of the time that so and so that you came to Pedophile Island. That seems given everything we know about this guy, wouldn't

that track? Doesn't that make sense to you that this is what he was up to and what we're being told the people who were around him, they'd like to collect people that he'd like to have leverage over people he wanted to influence over very wealthy, very powerful, individal jewels. Wouldn't that make sense given everything else that we know?

So I'm I'm wondering how much more information we're going to get here about his finances, because I do think that that's more than anything else, going to illuminate what was really happening. But I also think that Epstein Epstein was running I would wonder if anyone's going to prove me wrong, that would be of interest to me. I think Epstein was running a blackmail ring of the global elite.

That's what I think was going on. And he had people who were incredibly wealthy and powerful that he did collect and in a sense own, and that that was that was reality this guy had, Because what do you what would you do? There's there's some blackmail where you would take a okay, you know what, Fine tell people that you're going to tell them, I'm not going to

live my life this way. If you're a prominent if you were any person, but particularly if you're a prominent public figure and someone has video of you with underage girls, I think you're going to probably do what that person says, because if you go to the FBI, you're in a whole lot of trouble. Right So I do think that this is I think this is where it's all. It's all heading. There's this report that Maxwell told a friend that Epstein's entire island was wired for video, presumably for

blackmail purposes. This was on a hotair dot com today, citing the Vanity Fair piece the entire island was wired for video? Who would do that? Maybe for paranoid security purposes, but none on that on a private island in the Caribbean. When you're a billionaire, you have private security. You don't need all that blackmail. That makes a lot more sense. We're gonna stay on this, folks, I'm not I'm not

leaving this case behind. Organ worked out. I hope it worked out for everybody, By the way, I hope they worked out for everybody. As the President talking about the very tense situation right now in Hong Kong with the Chinese government cracking down. You had riot police inside Hong Kong's airport, one of the largest and busiest airports in the world, which has been shut down for the past two days, hundreds and hundreds of flights having to be canceled,

chaos at the airport. Protesters had been mostly peaceful, they had effectively locked down and blocked the airport from functioning, but then the violence happened when you had riot police show up with shields and batons and started hitting people and protesters. We're heading back. That was the President weighing in on this. He said, Hong Kong's a very tough situation. We'll see what happens. I'm sure it will work out. I hope it works out for everybody, including China. President

very noncommittal here. I was a little surprised, given that the president is tough on China. As a general rule, this president has been willing to stare down the Chinese government on issues that they needed to be stared down on, like intellectual property theft, like predatory trading practices, cyberespionage, Refusing to abide by what they said they would to be part of the international trade agreements that have been in

effect for a long time. Copyright infringement, trademark infringement, patent infringeman, you name it all. I mean, the Chinese has just been cheating and stealing all over the place, and it's been working. I gotta remember that it's been working in our government in this country has been saying, well, you know, what are we really what are we really going to do about it? Well, now you have Hong Kong, which is the single most and I'm so annoyed that I didn't get to go to Hong Kong. I was in

Beijing and Beijing and Shanghai a few months ago. Hong Kong was also part of that trip, but I couldn't get the time off from from work from both of my jobs to go. But but Hong Kong is the

great economic success story. And you know, there was a there was an agreement here the the one country two systems or one state two systems, and it's not supposed to end until roughly twenty fifty, where Hong Kong gets a kind and no one knows what happens then, by the way, but Hong Kong is supposed to have its own legislative body that sets its own laws, and it

has the Chinese government for defense. So just so it is a possession of the People's Republic of China, but it has been able to continue as a very western eyes highly developed. I mean, my friends who were just there were telling me about how it's incredibly wealthy. I mean, the concentration of wealth in Hong Kong right now is insane, and it's also relatively liberal. Or you can go there as an American and not feel the big brother state

that you'd feel and say Beijing, where I was. But we have the people of Hong Kong who see this not just as pushback against the extradition law, which is what sparked this whole thing, which would have meant that the mainland communist Chinese government would be able to take anybody effectively in Hong Kong. Say you're coming back to mainland China for trial, which means Communist Party can do anything they want with you. I mean, now you're done, they'll just seize you in Hong Kong and now you

go into the Communist party system. Good luck with that, and good luck with your trial or whatever they decide to do with you. We have protesters though, who are waiving American flags, and I mean, here's video of Chinese protesters in Hong Kong singing our national anthem, Play nine and the rock cast time on passing in that game bran than a fast dude that we say uses ringle beare they understand that America is still the beacon of global freedom and they want greater liberty and at least

the protesters do. They want individual liberty. And because they're in Hong Kong and not on the mainland, they've had some taste of that. They've had economic freedom, they've had a more liberal rule of law, and they've been able to experience life without the just the crushing hand of the communist regime able to come down to them at any point in time. Now, Mainland China's obviously had a

lot of economic prosperity. That's been the bargain that the Chinese Communist Party has made over the last thirty years or so, which is, we're in charge, you do what we say, but you're going to have greater prosperity and wealth you're going to have wherever you are in China.

Now you're all more access to you know, like even if you're from the poorer ranks, particularly in the poor ranks, you'll have more access to electricity, to schooling, to new vehicles, to safer food, to a better paying job, to all these different benefits. But you don't have freedom. And China has been making that bargain, but the Chinese have been making have been going forward with that bargain for a

long time. Now. Hong Kong has a different bargain, which is, you do the things that you've been doing in Hong Kong, and China will still be the country that you belong to, but you can do things your way in Hong Kong as Chinese there. This is a real inflection point for freedom on a global scale. What happens in Hong Kong, we'll have ramifications that the rest of the world will see and will certainly affect our trade deal with China,

how that comes about or not. My friends, Steve Yates is going to join in a moment to way and more. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I wanted to bring in my friend Steve Yates here to give us his take on everything that's going on in Hong Kong with the Chinese government and all the rest of it. Steve is formerly a Deputy National Security Advisor for Vice President Dick Cheney. He is currently the CEO of DC International Advisory. Great to have you, Steve. Thanks, good to

be with you. Buck All right, Steve, So, what do you make of what's going on right now? I mean, it's I know, it was very early in the morning. It's very morning, well early in the morning, I should say in Hong Kong right now. Things that quieted down overnight a bit, but there were some people who were tweeting out some pretty ominous photos and there were concerns about a violent crackdown. Do you think that's going to happen? I mean, makes them actions here and if you're right,

we'll bring you back on no pressure on that. But there's for sure this is something that's trending in a dangerous direction because there's history of the Communist Party of China being very, very willing, due to politics and other interests, to kill other Chinese people. They did it in the June fourth, nineteen eighty nineteen Square massacre. That was after weeks and weeks of demonstrations against corruption inflation, and a

number of other grievances against the government. At the time, the people of Hong Kong were promised not that far from that period of time, that they would have a high degree of autonomy, they'd be able to govern their

own affairs, that Chinese would assume sovereignty and defense. But the Hong Kong people had universal suffrage at some point be able to elect their own leaders, and especially the young generation, but not just the young generation of Hong Kong now sees that that was not an honor bargain, and the Chinese Communist Party is pushing hard for them to submit and just be a part of one China. And this is I think the last stand for freedom

for the people of Hong Kong. Will the Chinese government, the People's Liberation Army or security forces, the Party ultimately crack down and injure main, mass arrest or even murder people to impose some kind of stability. That's what they're threatening, and that's what we're waiting to see happen. But my prediction is this is heading in a dangerous direction. The young people are prepared to stand up for their freedom and fight. On the long term. I bet on the

side of the people. So I say, at some point they're going to win their freedom. Well, that's at least hopeful. I would actually take the other side of that bargain given what we've seen in China. But I guess it depends on the horizon we're talking about here, So who really knows. We gotta have my friend Gordon Chang back on the coming collapse of China. Could be any day now, but I don't think it's going to be any time soon.

I want to ask about what else the protesters wont Initially this was all kicked off because of the extradition law from Hong Kong. What can you tell us about this is now that plus it's more than just that. It's more than just that. But that really is much bigger than it sounds. I mean, fundamentally, Hong Kong is the golden Goose for China. It's separate rule of law under a common law system. It's separate currency, it's high degree of autonomy. It allowed for Hong Kong to be

a major, major international financial center. It also enabled Hong Kong to be basically a through port to open up Chinese markets, connect it to be a global trading and economic power, and so that separate status is exceedingly important to China's rise as an economic power, and the extraditial treaty or the extradition law would basically mean that if any American, Canadian, Australian other CEO were to enter Hong Kong, they could on a whim be snatched up and tried

inside China. And also protesters who are trying to pursue their own rights could also, instead of being tried under common law in the Hong Kong separate system, could be tried in mainland courts. And so they see this as fundamentally erasing the two systems from the bargain of one country, two systems. It just becomes one country, one system, and it's all in favor of the artificial intelligence, tech inspired

control regime. But as the CCP on China, now give me your sense of why China won't just get you know, there is international attention on this, not as much as Fredo Gate with Chris Cuomo, but there is international attention. People are finally looking at this now because of some of the violence in the airport, what's gone on there and those photos of what looked like armored personnel carriers. I know it's supposed to be for the People's Police,

People's armed police force of China, but it's paramilitary. They're gonna look like they're gonna roll in there and crack skulls. Literally. Why wouldn't the Chinese just say, you know what, the heat's the heat's up right now. Why don't we just you know, back off, let things cool down a bit, and then just use our tremendous economic and political and other powers of persuasion behind the scenes to essentially slowly

consume Hong Kong. Anyway, Well, that would be exceedingly rational, and that's what a lot of us thought for a long time, and in reality, that's what was happening and what was working in many ways, whether it was the Chinese occupying and what we would call simifying or turning Chinese territories like to bet the far West, Chin Johns, the majority Muslim the slow cook pressure on Hong Kong, the pressure on Taiwan and trying to bully them and

push them out of international bodies and things like. All of this on a slow pressure cooker was actually kind of trending Beijing's way as long as they held out the promising vision of what China was becoming, and the

world was very accommodating to China doing these things. And that's been essentially the last several decades since the Tenement Square massacre, and so really in the last year, for reasons that are not directly apparent to a lot of outside observers, things seem to be worse for the Communist Party inside China, or there's no rational reason for them

to have to push for these things now. If they were a confident power, if they were secure in their economic model, not feeling the pressure of the Trump tariffs and the other inconsistencies of their economy, if they really believed their people were behind them, they could allow for time and be patient, but changed inside China. This is not a US or externally induced movement, and it's not just a trade war. This is a comprehensive war by the Communist Party of China to impose control on as

much as it possibly can right now. How much by fear on their part, how much does a independence contagion affect the thinking in your mind of the Chinese Communist Party right now? Meaning if they do you think that their perception is if they backed off of Hong Kong.

There are other parts of China that aren't quite as on board for the whole communist mission as the Central Committee wants them to be right, and certainly Taiwan comes to mind, which is a whole other category, but there are even parts of mainland China that are at issue. Here does that factor in or where would you put that? Well, it is certainly logic that they deploy and at some level they set it so long, so much to so many people. I think they leave their own propaganda at

this point, but it isn't empirically or logically true. Hong Kong is very very different from all other parts of China. After all, it was a British colony for a very long time, and they can talk about how important it was to bring back to China, so to speak, but it is a very very different place, and so any kind of an exception that was made for Hong Kong is easily justified, as it's for a place that was

under exceptional circumstances. So all of you other parts of China that were a long term British colony, yeah, we'll give you an audience, but that literally no other part of the current People's Republic of China. So there's other logic for why they're having to do this. There's no question that they have built in almost like a sixth sense movie issue of everywhere they look, they see dead people, they see color revolutions, they see some kind of group

that's going to come take them down. But that's, like I said, they are insecure at some level. We have assumed level of maturity, security, durability in this regime that they don't even seem to assume themselves. But it's this color revolution contagion that they're talking up now and then labeling the Hong Kong protesters as terrorists that does, in fact sound like they're setting up for some kind of

a crackdown. Very worrying if they do it, it's ken Anman Square massacre of nineteen eighty nine times ten, because more of the world is watching. And as much as we like to kick the journalist profession around and it's easy to do a lot, there's actually a respectable number of journalists that have gone into Hong Kong and they're doing what they're supposed to do. They're reporting the truth on the scene, unfiltered, and it's almost the only place

in the planet that's happening right now. Steve the administration weighing in on this one today, Trump said he hopes no one dies, basically, and that this will somehow work out. And it was very it was just neutral. Really, it didn't really take a position either way. Is how do you view that? Meaning? Does does Trump just see this as he doesn't have a hand to play here right now because he has to worry about the trade agreement or should he see this as leverage or what should

Trump be doing? Well, the first thing, I mean, I obviously I can't program what our great president is going to say by way of Twitter or otherwise. My hope would be the first thing anybody from the United States can do is say we stand for people who are prepared to make the sacrifices that Americans before us made

to secure our own freedom. So, I mean, we have to at some levels that you know, whether we're prepared to intervene or help that completely aside, we should at least say I have nothing but respect for the people that are willing to stand up and maybe even pay the ultimate price to pursue truis Zoo freedom, the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity ether things we

believe in. It's what's American makes us special. And then beyond that, I think that we should be giving some cautionary words to Beijing that there's going to be costs to them greater than this tariff escalation in recent times. If they try to pull off some kind of a tan on, then again that there are measures that are ready to go, and so we really urge them to exercise caution. After all, it is they who pushed the

extradition law. It is they who crank up the pressure cooker, and now they're trying to show us the result and say that's the problem, when really that's just the symptom of what they have done. I would like the President to see through the shade and be able to speak directly to that. Steve and Yates, everybody DC International Advisory, he is the CEO, and Steven always appreciate you joining to share your Asia expertise, sir, talk to you soon. Thank you. Buck tick here all right, team, we got

more to stay with me. Just a few more thoughts on what's going on in Hong Kong. But in a historical sense, I have a dear for an approach to this. I wanted to share with you because you know, in this country right now we are in the midst of whether we understand or accept this or not we are we are in the midst of a debate over whether we're going to go socialist or not. That is happening.

Democratic Party is a socialist party. They advocate for socialism in a broad scale manner, full spectrum socialism in a democratic socialist model openly now. But they've been advocating for central planning and the implementation of socialist programs within a more liberal and free market economy for as long as I've been at FIR, as long as really they've been around in the twentieth century into the twenty first. So now what we have is a Democratic Party that is

effectively socialist. I look at what's going on in Asia, and I think that there's a lesson from all this. People often point conservatives in particularly do this. They'll point of Venezuela and they'll say, look at what socialism does in Venezuela. It has tremendous natural resources, particularly oil, which is the one we're really talking about. All though does have some of the best cacao in the world. Those

who like chocolate. I'm a bit of a chocolate chocolate o file, it's probably a better word, a chocolate file. Is that a thing? I do love chocolate. But they have more proven oil reserves than even Saudi Arabia. This is the fact, the statistic that everybody who talks about this on TV throws out. So it sounds like they

know something about Venezuela. But you can look at what's happened in the Far East over the last fifty years or so, and all you have is case study after case study of what central planning and socialism, the heart of socialism in central planning, these two things have to go together. What central planning and socialism have done to economies in the Far East, and what free trade and liberalism and free markets have done in the Far East. And you just look at country after country and it

tells you the whole tale. I mean, China was a desperately poor country until about the nineteen eighties when all of a sudden they decided, you know what, we're going

to adopt free market reforms. And they've had their own way of doing it with state supported entities, but they have created something of an economic miracle, that is by adopting a market based model, because that its core, socialism has to fail, whether it's in a specific sector, a specific policy, or an entire program for a national economy, it has to fail because it does not have the market signal of price, for one, and there's no way that you could ever centrally plan effectively on a scale

of any major national economy. It just can't happen. So these different programs of socialism in the Far East. Yeah, yeah, we talk about North Korea, but that's also a Stalinist, a stalinist totalitarian gulag state. So that feels like the more extreme version. But look at India, look at China, look at Hong Kong, look at Taiwan. All of these different countries tell the tale of why socialism fails and what happens when you adopt free market based economic policies.

And with the free market, you also have the Once you have individual liberty in business, individual liberty in your economic daily life, it then is a much greater likelihood. Although this is really the this is where the rubber meets the road. In China, it's much greater likelihood you'll have individual rights across the board later on for free

speech and religious practice and everything. But but first you need those economic those economic rights, or at least this state has to respect your ability to pursue international markets and competition in order to grow capital to a mass capital and to prosper as a business every I mean, Hong Kong is an excellent example of this. Why is Hong Kong so much wealthier, so much more prosperous even today than the rest of China. I mean, Shanghai is now catching up to it, but Hong Kong is still

the financial center of China. And the reason for that is, oh, that's right. The British were running it for a long time. It had English common law in some capacity, English courts. You know, there was all this this leave behind of the British Empire that created an infrastructure that was something that the Chinese people, with all their intelligence, ingenuity and work ethic, could quickly build on. So Hong Kong was way ahead of the rest of China even before the

Chinese and his Party adopted market market reforms. Look at the state of Taiwan, which is another big open question about how this part of the world is going forward. I mean, Taiwan. The joke in America in the nineties was that everything was made in Taiwan, right, Well, how is that possible? The regime in Taiwan had been the national government of mainland China. But then you know, Mao in his guerrilla warfare with guerrilla warfare, defeated schen Kai

Shek and they fled to Taiwan. But Taiwan adopted market based economic policies and market based reforms time and time again. Look at how wealthy South Korea has become and Japan. All these different Asian Asian nations that pursued a free market based economic policy had explosions of growth and wealth. And it always directly coincides with with scaling back or eliminating the central planning, opening markets, and allowing the business

of the people to be business. In a case after case, not a single Asian country did you have a socialist did you have a free market program? That they switched to a socialist program and all of a sudden things looked really great, and now everybody was happy and had free healthcare and free medical care. In fact, in the case of India, we think of India as a third world country that just recently, again in the last thirty

years or so, has become much wealthier. And that is accurate in so far as it's representative what's recently happened. But India, up until the British leap was for the region, a pretty wealthy country, huge textile industry. India was again speaking from a regional perspective, doing pretty well. But then when you had the British and their rule, they left behind a lot of again English common law, the courts, infrastructure.

You had a socialist program instituted by Nehru Socialism and it was this village based socialism and it was Gandhi as much as he's the national hero of India, had some very sketchy economic ideas, didn't really understand economics, but he was really a nation state founder slash saint in India. So they pursued all these socialist policies and India became an economic basket case full of corruption and just you

couldn't get anything done. Nothing worked, no market signals, central planning all over the place, prices or whatever they say, they are a disaster. So you know the case of Hong Kong, this is true across Asia's why I'm bringing this up. But socialism destroys economies and puts people into misery, and it's true everywhere. And people who bring up Sweden don't know what the heck they're talking about because Sweden

became socialists and was getting poor and poor. Do you have to remember that some of these countries that had been that had been more liberal in their economies. It takes a while to run through everything you got stored in the cupboard, so to speak, when you go to socialism. But now Sweden has been liberalizing its economy and has been changing its policies to make them more free market because it wasn't working. It doesn't work, it never works.

This is so yes, the case of individual freedom for the people. The freedom of individuals in Hong Kong matters to us global freedom. It's helpful for the economy, it's helpful for humankind and all that. That's true. But also just remember Hong Kong is a case study in why free markets work and why socialism fails, because Hong Kong was way ahead of all the socialist countries of Asia and has been for a long time. So I know

we mentioned it the top of the show. This was the biggest trending news story in the country today, getting more attention than anything else, hundreds of thousands of posts on Twitter and Facebook, everyone weighing in on the different aspects of Fredo Gate. I guess we could call it that. Chris Cuomo, who we have referred to as Bro Cuomo, as he is the bro of the governor of New York State as well as a bro yo do you even live? Bro? We've been referring to him as that

for a while. I did not realize he is quite sensitive about that. And last night he was I'm not sure exactly where, but he was in New York City with his wife and his child. I think that's important for context, and he ended up being accosted by somebody as yet not really named from what I understand, but this is how I want to play the exchange. I look, there's a lot of profanity. We cut out the profanity, but this was filmed. This is in a public place.

Chris Cuomo of CNA and the CNA anchor, Bro Cuomo is approached by some guy, and all we really know is that this guy called him Fredo, a reference to the weaker dumber brother from The Godfather movies, which of course, is about the Sicilian mafia. Uh. Some people say the greatest two of the greatest movies of all time. I leave that to you. But Fredo, you know, he's a brother's like, I'm good enough, I'm smart, you know. And

then he Michael has the Uh. I don't want to give anything away, but he ends up on a boat and it's the last thing that ends up happening. Anyway, Chris Cuomo is very very sensitive about this situation, and just they'll be bleeps, but you can imagine what the real thing was like. This is Cuomo getting called Fredo. Play it like that that it was. You did not think my name was Frado. Don't be alive? Said, hey, you said you're gonna have but what are you all about?

Throw you down these stairs? Please do so you don't consume? Why don't you do so you get the idea. We actually didn't even play the opening part of it where he says that it's like being called that. Being called Fredo for an Italian is a racial slur, and it is the equivalent for Italians of being called the N word. Uh. That is not true. Okay, that is a class This is a classic liberal tactic. Of because I think the Cuomo has the moral high ground here in the sense

that he was approached. He's with his wife and kids, or with his wife and kid, and he's at a public place, and from what we understand, he didn't incite this at all. Someone came up to him and just called him Fredo and obviously wanted to film this and creates some sort of incident, which is a lame, loser thing to do and conservatives a lot of them. I will note a lot of people that I like in this business have come out and said that you shouldn't

do this. It's not cool, it's rude, and you also might spark a situation where you're getting a lot more than you asked for, which I think is pretty much what happened here with these guys that said to claim that this is a racial slur is just excessive and nonsensical, which is what Cuomo said. Fredo is not a racial slur. It's a reference to a movie character, and the whole point of referencing the character is that it's the weaker, dumber brother. No one really cares that Fredo is Italian.

They care about the fact that Michael Corleone is the godfather boss and Fredo is his wayward, stupid brother, and no one you know that that's what that's all about. So we understand that one and you know this is as a conservative, I feel like we have principles and standards, and a principle and a standard that we can all get behind is that you shouldn't harass public figures for no reason. You shouldn't go up to them in public.

There's plenty of ways to reach out, you know, if we're going to allow everyone to say what they want on Facebook and Twitter and email people, and you don't have to also physically accost anyone and make it impossible for the have a nice night with their wife and kids. I also think that that's an escalation. If you go up to somebody in there alone. If you go to a guy, a woman is a different category, she might feel even more threatened. But if you go up to

a guy in media and he's alone, that's bad. If you go up to somebody and he is with his wife and or children, and you're gonna start saying stuff, now you really have Now you really have a problem, and now you're somebody who has no no decency, no sense of honor. It's a gross thing to do. But Cuomo sounded like a complete lunatic. I mean, I'm not going to discount this either, you know, so like go throw you down? Oh and you clo It's like, all right, dude,

calm down. I mean, it's one thing if you want to tell him to go blank himself. Oh yeah, absolutely, that's what a normal person would say. But to get up in his face that you're going to throw him down a flight of stairs because he called you Fredo, it was it was a little excessive. I mean, it's a little excessive. You know. I've had people say things to me that I didn't like in public, in private, on social media. I'm not running around threatening to throw

people down a flight of stairs, and I could. One of my biggest frustrations is that I know that this solidarity with with Cuomo that you've seen from most of the media, including a lot of conservatives. Look, Sean Hannity said that he did nothing wrong. Sewan tweeted that out last night and that he would have reacted the same way. I mostly agree with Sean, except I think that that Cuomo went a little He went too far, and I think Cuomo was also a jerk, but that's I guess,

beside the point. But you know, Conservatives, I can tell you this. If someone ever comes up to me and I think that they see the like the side swoop, and they figure, oh, he's probably and I'm very nice. Usually I have a whole other gear too, not just a salty language gear, but a you know, the the

Anglo Irish equivalent of are you talking to me? So you know, I just know that if I got into it with somebody like this, I could not expect the media to come to my defense and say, you know, if I was out with let's say a girlfriend and somebody said something rude to me and then I got into it with them and they videotaped it, I just

know the conservatives were held to a different standard. So that's always what's hard for me with these situations, that the the real standard should be don't bother people in public, but also a little bit don't be a complete maniac if somebody's not really crossing the line that badly. But the standard is gonna be Chris Colm was a Democrat, a LIB and he's resistance. He's anti Trump, so they'll

back him up. But if anybody who's pro Trump and a conservative and on the right does this, you can watch as the mainstream media circles the wagons against that person. But I want to bring in our friends Jesse Kelly and Sean Parnell. We haven't had them on the show in a little bit, and they're two great guys. Don't tell them I said that though they already both have very healthy egos, but they really are great dudes, and

they're gonna be coming on here in a minute. We'll talk to them about their take on this, and then also an important news story, which is the possibility of an end of the war in Afghanistan and a full US military withdrawal because of an agreement with the Taliban. That's coming up. All right, team, we got a special treat for you here it away and on some of the most important news of the day. We're joined by

our friends Kelly and Sean Parnell. Jesse Kelly is, of course the host of the Jesse Kelly Radio Show down on KPRC Houston, and we've also got Sean Parnell. His latest book, All Out War, is available on Amazon and whatever wherever books are sold. Of course, Jesse's a former marine. Sean's a former army ranger. They're both great patriots and entertaining individuals. They joined us. Now, gentlemen, great to have

you on the Buck Sexton Show. Yes, well, I'm great to be here the very special favorite of your audience that I'm here, not so much for the shot. And so I saw the YouTube, guys, I want to have you way in because you had different takes which I did find a little surprising, different takes on the whole Fredo Cuomo fiasco. And I wanted to start with the

what is the Sean Parnell reaction to what? By the way, based on Twitter and social media, is being treated like it's the single biggest news story in the world right now, Yeah, it really is. I mean my thing is is that, you know, I thought that Cuomo's response was entirely inappropriate. You know, while it is, it kind of sucks that this guy approached him and sigated everything. You know, My position is, he's a public figure. It's part of public life.

In a perfect world, everybody when you're off the clock, everybody can go about their business and not be bothered. But when you're called a name, an appropriate response is not threatening harm or physical violence on somebody. You know, there is a line. I don't think that this guy crossed it. He didn't. He wasn't bowing up on Cuomo and in sort of aggressive way. He just sort of stood there. And by the way that Cuomo responded, he

branded himself Fredo for Life. And if you look what happened in the wake of that video being released and going viral, even conservatives and liberals alike started going on the Wikipedia page and Google searches for Cuomo and started naming him Chris Fredo Cuomo precisely because react. You only need to have siblings to know that. If people know

what truly bothers you, it becomes your tagline life. And had Clomo jes walked away and just ignored it, just acted like the bigger person, this wouldn't even be an incident and he wouldn't be fraid over life. All right. We have an opening sta from Sean Parnell. Jesse Kelly, you take a more, you mess with the big dog, you get bit approach. All right. I disagree with everything Sean said except for one thing. Yes, Chris Croomo is now able to Praido for life. And he did that

by his reaction. That's the fact I totally disagree with this one. Was Chris Plumo fall The guy didn't do anything wrong? I think that is in a third take. Chris Klomo was out by himself or supposedly with his kids, maybe he was friends. It doesn't even matter who he was with. Chris Klumo was outminding his own business in public.

If you then choose on your own to pull out your nerid cell phone camera or your little man per cell phone camera, roll up to somebody who's minding his own business, start chirping at him, throw an insult his way, then you get what you get. Don't throw for it. Chris Bowing did not hit the guy in the mouth or anything like that. But frankly, if I was approached by somebody out in public and I saw he was

insulted me, maybe I'd try to walk away. But I guarantee how I tell you to tell him one thing, bro, you stay arms light away from me, or you're going to pay the penalty for it. Stay away, back off. We have a serious black of punching people in the mouth in this country. And I say that not because I think he should have hit him. He should not have.

But I'm talking about we have terble band and demonized kids fighting when they're younger that now we have grown adult little snots who think it's funny to do this thing. When I see someone who does that, I see somebody who didn't get punched in the nose enough in his life, because that's exactly who that guy is. So I need to I need to ask you. I mean, the part of this that got at least initially that I was well, I was taken aback just by how completely rageful quote

was over being called Fredo. But but I would go a step further. He said that, uh, that that calling him Fredo is like calling somebody the N word. But for Italians this is just lunacy. I don't know what else to say about it. Well, it's it's dominant thing. Ever, And let me let me just say I agree with you, Buck and Jesse, I agree with you as well. I don't think our points are mutually exclusive. So, like there's a line here. This guy called him Fredo, he didn't

call him anything inflammatory. If you're a public fee, if you're a public figure, you have to assume that sometimes things are going to get flung at you is only you can control how you react. I thought that he was totally out aligne. Fredo is obviously obviously not a racial slur. It is a term meant to imply weakness, right, he was calling Chris Cuomo weak, and what Chris Cuomo did was demonstrate his weakness by responding in the way

that he did, therefore branding himself Fredo for Life. And if you look no further than the best branding expert in the country. And look how Donald Trump responded. He's already got merchandise out there, calling Chris Cuomo Fredo that he's selling on the Donald Trump website for reelection. I mean it's and he branded himself Fredo for Life through his ridiculous reaction to something that he should have just walked away from. Now, I'm not saying that you can't

defend your family. I mean, look, if the guy accosted him, if he said something truly inflammatory, if he said something about his wife, if he said something about his get that's different. I do agree that I have no issue with standing up for the people that you love and you care about in public places. But this was not one of those instances. Yeah, but Momo was way over the top, go for a jesse. Here's what I'm saying. It may they have been over the top, but I

would do with you. I can't see myself ever reacting that way. I've been shouted at plenty of times in public. I can't see anything. So if you see me to have me react that way, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, well, who should be attacking today is the moron who approached him at all? Why don't approached him at all? Unless you're going to sheepishly walk up and ask for a picture or an ironograph or something like that, why not leave the freaking guy. I

can answer that. I can answer that question. I'll tell you, Ah tell you, I'll tell you exactly why. Because Cuomo gods on a show every single night and calls Trump supporters racist, xenophobic, biggest, and that Trump supporter is probably feeling a little bit under assault from Cuomo and felt

like he wanted to call him weak. My point is is that Chris Cuomo is the He calls people names every day on a show from a platform that's ten times as big as that guy with a cell phone camera, And so Cuomo is asking for this type of behavior because he goes on TV every night and calls Trump supporters racist. I mean, almost the biggest defender of these. I'm just I have a little bit of a just real question. I want to bring Jesse back into a second.

The problem with making this based on what someone says on their show, and this will actually transition to what I want to pass to Jesse in a second, is that the left is going to say, well, every conservative, whether on radio or TV, is engaging in the you know, propaganda for genocide on a nightly basis, and so anything that you could say to a conservative. So so, Sean, I'm while I agree with you from an editorial standpoint, I think that if we open it up to well,

he says this crappy stuff. That's why I went up, and that's what libs say all the time. And you can respond on a second. But I did want to bring Jesse in on this. Jesse, my concern is, you know, let's say somebody goes up, which would be I mean, both of you are are large individuals. Sean is not quite six to eleven though, so it would be a little surprising if if somebody decided to go up to Jesse. Nonetheless, I mean either of you guys, they would probably have

a very bad day. Point here being that if Jesse, Jesse, if some lib went up to you and got on your face and actually said something really nasty, you know, like you know, said something about your wife or something else, and it did go to fisticuffs in some capacity, I guarantee you all the libs that are out there right now would switch and say, well, I mean, Jesse Kelly is a conservative maniac and clearly he you know, should

be fired and all the other stuff. You're right, but I'm not playing with the left double standard to be honest with you, and this is to the point you just made, and to respond to Shaun's point, I'm not even playing with politics. If we're I think it's a dangerous game to say, well, I mean if you do X, then it's okay to approach somebody. We're gonna do that

now with actors. I mean, look, you were in a film that had too much custing, so I mean, look, I'm allowed to approach you that you install this person, I'm allowed to approach you. My point of view was not left or right. It's not lybs are Republicans or Trump supporters or anyone else. This applies to everybody in every walk of life. Leave people all the hell alone. We leave the hell alone. I'll leave you the henlone.

I don't approach people if the person I hated the most in the world, I wouldn't it wouldn't edit my mind to approach them and say anything vaguely insulting to them. I mean, business didn't leave people alone. Sean. I get frustrated just because I think that there are very few organizations in media, uh that would back anyone on the right as quickly and as all in as CNN back. I mean, I give the left credit. They take care of their own. It's something that we we leave people

high and dry on the right all the time. CNN PR had a statement out in defense of him, saying we're with him one hundred percent within like an hour of a story breaking, and not only saying that they were in defense of him, that the man that filmed him used an ethnic slur, which is preposterous. Yeah, that is preposterous. Look, you know, I don't I don't disagree with anything that Buck you were saying, or Jesse you're

saying as well. I mean, I think the points that we're making aren't mutually exclusive, I will say, but to address your point, you know, I think that conservatives for a long time is thought under attacked by the by the media for decades, right, And so I think that all plays into this man's response. The mainstream media or most in the media, or liberal mosta entertainment or liberals. There was just this movie come out about elite hunting down,

you know, deplorables or maybe even Trump supporters under attack. Yeah, conservatives have felt under attack for a long time. I'm just saying that that might have played into this guy's mentality a little bit. Was he right in doing it? Probably not. But the only thing that we can control was how we respond to things. I have no issue with defending one's family, wife, kids, But it didn't cross

that line. Cuoma could have walked away and it would all have gone away, and he wouldn't be fraid over life. We're talking to Jesse Kelly and Sean Parnell. We're going to come back in a moment team and discuss the possibility of a deal in Afghanistan with the Taliban. So we're going to switch to a topic that actually matters from one that's just sort of fun to mess around talk about. We'll get into something real here in a moment,

so stay with us for that. All right, everyone, we're back with my friends Sean Parnell, author of All Out War, which you can get on Amazon or anywhere books are sold. Also our friend Jesse Kelly, host of the Jesse Kelly Show in Houston on KPRC Radio. Guys, looks like we may have in the emphasis on May, a deal to end the war in Afghanistan. But the deal is mostly okay, So we're gonna leave Taliban, and here's what the phases are going to be. Let's start with Let's start with

Jesse here. I mean, you guys both are former military. Jesse was a marine, Sean was an Army ranger. But Jesse, what do you think about about if if it does turn into we're just leaving, is that the right move under whatever circumstances? DoD Yes, Let's get out before we lose another single troop over there. Let's get out now, right now. I know it's going to be a deal with the Taliban and people are gonna yell about that, but let me inform all of you something and I

know this is going to make you uncomfortable. The Taliban are going to win. We are not going to win. The Taliban or one hundred percent committed. They're as strong now as they've ever been. They're going to win. We know this already, which makes every single loss of life over there ten times as tragic when you already know the war is lost. Pe allowed get out. It's been two decades there, Cyanara. Hopefully we never seen it yet. San what you got well? I mean, how does that

make it any different than Saigon? You know, than us leaving Saigon in the Vietnam War. I mean I think that I would like, Look, I'm with you. I want out of Afghanistan just as bad as you do, Jesse, I really do. I think that if you want to have a peace deal, though, the thing that bothers me the most are two things about this afgan peace deal. The fact that there is not good there's no ceasefire required, Okay, yaw.

Can you have a peace deal if there's not a comprehensive ceasefire in the wake of signing that treaty or in the wake of signing that deal. Number one, Number two, it's the Taliban. As you might say, yeah, the feminists, not the ek but but so yeah, but listen, But

that's my point. My point is a peace deal has to require a ceasefire, and you cannot put on the table from the very beginning that you're withdrawing one hundred percent of US troops the people who would essentially be the strength and the piece behind any deal that you sign. And the third point that I'm gonna make is that this deal only only, and it only calls to the table the Afghan Taliban. It doesn't call into question the Pakistani Taliban, and the Pakistani Taliban are the ones that

are calling all the problems on the border. They're the ones striking into the heart of Afghanistan. This, this piece treaty does not speak for them and therefore not worth the paper that it's written on. I want to get out out of Afghanistan just as much as you do, Jesse. But I think the way we withdraw matters, and I think the way that we're doing it now is going to be a short term victory for Trump, right, but it will be a nightmare for him in twenty twenty.

You watches every Democratic candidate throws this the monumental failure that Afghanistan will become of America pulls out. You're gonna see one base topple after the next, and you're gonna see entire candex turnover to the Taliban side if it's a wholesale withdrawal there. Part Part two, Jesse, what do you got? I'd say the real tragedy of Hugh mentioned a solid of the fall of Saigon and Vietnam? Part two? Do you know what those Vietnam guys saying? I know, Sean?

Does I know you? You talked to them all the time. The major major tragedy of Vietnam was not losing the war. It was all the guys we lost in the last two or three years. We know the war was already lost. Throwing bodies at people for a cause that is lost. The cause is already lost. Get them out now. Afganiston is a dump. Now there was a dump before, and it'll be a dump after we leave. That sucks. It

doesn't an account of pleasure to say so. But I don't want a single other parent to get a notification in the mail that they just lost their baby. Bring them all home with the chiss bowl, their mad anything to close on that, Sean Well, I would say that the tragic loss of life life in Vietnam is because the last two years of the war the politicians were right in the middle and they weren't fighting it the

right way. I mean, I would call in our politicians to really come up with a good, comprehensive and for withdrawing Afghanistans so that our troops aren't fighting with both hands behind their back, They're not throwing their body needlessly into a meat grinder where they where any parents is going to get a letter home from another loss of life. My point is is that this Afghan deal has to be worth the paper that is printed on and right

now isn't. And I'd rather see us withdraw under the right circumstances than withdraw under circumstances that feed all of Afghanistan back to the Taliban wholesale. All right, gentlemen, we'll have to see how how it actually shakes out. By the way, just give us a little bit of an update, Sean, you got any book signs and then coming up, Jesse Kelly, you just walking around being Jesse Kelly Shawn You first, Well, I've got a brand new book coming out and jess

under three weeks. It's all out war. It's available for pre order and Amazon or anywere books are sold. It would mean the world to me if you want out and pre ordered it. Pre Orders are important for young authors like me, so anything that you could do to support my cause would be greatly appreciated. Alrighty, and mister Jesse Kelly, look, I'm already important enough. It would just be in the lot to me of someone out and bib there we go. Look at that reaching across all

six foot six foot eleven of him. To make sure that our buddy Sean Parnell sells some books. And by the way, you better have cool people play both of us in the movie, Sean. That's all I'm telling you know, I will, You know I will. I've made this promise before. Yeah, I mean it's you know, I don't know. We're gonna have to find one of those one of those guys from Eastern Europe who's in the NBA for Jesse Kelly.

You know, I don't know, you know, I can't think of anything little the top of my head, but there are a few of them. And then for me, you know, we could do the guy from Parks and rec I'm playing myself. I don't know what you're talking about. There we go, Gentleman, Always a pleasure. Sean Parnell, author of Total All Out War rather UH and Total War All Out War, which you can get on Amazon. And then our friend Jesse Kelly listened to his show Dan and

KPRC Houston. You can also download Jesse Kelly show on podcast. Gentleman, A pleasure. Thank you so much for joining to take care man. We got a lot of a lot of dudes talking in the third hour here in the Buck Saccon show tonight. We covered a lot of ground, lot of territory. There. We one serious subject and one just I'm amazed at how much people really seem to care about the whole Fredo Chris Quomo. This is this is Chris Cuomo's viral moment being a total maniac. I mean, look,

I I'm you know how I feel about this. I think that speaking the way that he did was excessive, But I also think that people shouldn't act like jerks in public. So we got more coming up before we get a roll call. I wanted to bring a new story to your attention that is a harbinger of things

to come and it matters. It's important. You have had in the last week or so a number of high profile Senate Democrats who have been warning that the Supreme Court needs to get itself together to quote take steps to heal or else people will the Democrats, I assume here, will take action. The Supreme Court is not well and the people know it. According to a brief filed that was on Monday, this was in a case related to

a New York City gun law. You had Sheldon white House, Bloomenthal, Horrono, Richard Durban, and Kirsen gillibrand all of them part of this brief, and they're saying the Supreme Court has an affliction that must be addressed. This, my friends, is a straight up nice Supreme Court. There be a shame if something happened to it. Warning this is trying to influence the Court from the outside by threatening openly. And these

are members of the United States Senate. This is not just some random group of trolls coming together who think that they're going to be able to frighten Supreme Court justices into acting differently than they would otherwise. These are people who have the power, at least theoretically the legislative branch could take action to reform the court. This is talked about with some regularity by liberals. Anytime there's a

decision from the Supreme Court they don't like. Anytime there is a problem, they don't get the ruling that they want. It's not based on what the laws, it's based on what they want the law to be. They start talking about court packing. And some of the twenty twenty candidates have been part of this conversation. The Democrats have been part of this conversation in the past. You've had candidates including Beto O'Rourke, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Ris Kirsten,

Julia Brand. They've all talked about a willingness to change the number of Supreme Court justices, to rebalance it, as they would put it, so that it's liberal folks. That's all that means, balance to what they want, a left wing majority on the court, or else they'll change the court. These are the same people, the same politicians. Is the same political party, the Democrats, the left that lecture us

constantly about how Trump is undermining institutions. What institution is a more is it more dangerous or more egregious danger of violation than the Supreme Court when you have members of the United States Senate who are openly talking about changing it because they don't like the decisions that it makes. You might recall that many of you who look back in your history will remember that was discussed openly also by FDR, who had more than a bit of a

tyrannical streak in him. As much as we're supposed to think that he's the savior of America and the New Deal and all this other really hagiography around him. Oh yeah, he also put Japanese Americans in interman camps, but that's always a footnote for the Libs. They don't really care. He created the massive federal bureaucracy that now seeks to control every day to day aspect of our lives, at least if we let it. But I just think this

is fascinating. This is such a delusion. Pete Buddha Judge, for example, has proposed a plan to have some justices appointed by the president and others selected by other judges. So he's got a whole other plan here to quote, de politicize it. Depoliticize the Supreme Court. The people that want to change the makeup of the Supreme Court. Are the same ones who think that Roe v. Wade is sound law. Again, forget about what your policy preference may be for abortion or no abortion. Roe v. Wade is

alchemy with the law. It's fakery. It created a right, a constitution right where none existed before, because they wanted it to be there. And that's it. And they've done it with other things too. And if the law doesn't mean what it says, then what are we even talking about? Then the law is just, and then everything is mob rule and the Supreme Court just becomes a weather vein that goes in whatever direction mob opinion wants it to at any point in time. It's not what it's supposed

to do. But clearly that is what liberals wanted to do. They are still seething over the dcv. Heller decision, which could not be more clear. Speaking of Cuomo, he really does have the constitutional jurisprudence of an eighth grader who has never read the Constitution. He thinks that the right to bear arms was never a private right. This was before his whole blow up on social media. He was saying that just a few days ago, I saw this. This is such idiocy that the Bill of Rights is

about individual rights of people. The right to bear arms in a group as defined by the government would be no right to bear arms at all. This is absurd, but they try to contort the law to mean whatever they want it to mean. Keep in mind, you also have people now that believe that the laws that we currently have on the books for immigration don't count. Why because they say so. Nothing more sophisticated than that. But now you have Democrats trying to at least appeal to

their base. I think they are serious. I think if they had the votes to do this, they would. There are plenty of Democrats who are such petty authoritarians that they would restructure the Supreme Court itself to suit their policy desires and think that they were the ones who were defending our institutions in the process because they're delusional. Rock and roll, fellow patriots, we made ours go up to eleven. It's time for roll call Facebook dot com slash Buck Sexton. That is how you get in on

the roll call action, as you know. So here we go, Sean writes, Hey, Buck, not sure why, but I'm seeing any I'm not seeing any new podcasts on Google play Music after June twenty seventh, did you stop posting to them? Sean, I think we are no longer on Google play Music, but I'm not sure. Producer Mark can probably answer that question. But yeah, if you're not seeing it, we're probably probably got to get on the iHeart app platform or iTunes or I think we're on Soundcinding Stitcher. I'm not sure.

There's so many of them out there these days. Tough to know. I got to figure out where we are up. I'll learn all these things. Jim, your analysis is spot on as usual, Buck, as a medical professional working for a very large insurance company, the only way to control prices is to remove all the government intrusion and let the free market work. It's magic. Very Welsh said, Shields High from Dallas. Well, Jim, thank you very much, and yeah that the economics on this are pretty clear. That's

the now. Next up here we have Harry Harry Rights. Hey, Buck, you speak about the federal budget and disregard for fiscal prudence. It is important to keep in mind how news speak

has crept into the discussion. They talk about mandatory and discretionary spending went constitutionally pretty much everything that is now classified as discretionary is mandated by the US Constitution, military, national security, Post Office, Rhodes, custom patents, immigration, naturally, well, all that is considered mandatory, there are expenses that are added by various mostly unconstitutional Acts of Congress, social Security, Medicare,

and medicaid. I believe this is important to keep in mind. Shields Hi, Harry, all right, Harry, thank you, Patrick. Rights. You mentioned Jason Isabel yesterday, not Isabel. He was a former member of the band Drive By Truckers. His comment on guns is very hypocritical. I'll give you a short quip of their lyrics. Don't blank off the boys from Alabama. You know they won't let it slide. They might find your body in the Tennessee River, or they might not

find you it up. Blah blah blah. Okay. A lot of people will say that they're ashamed to have been They're ashamed Jason is from Alabama. Okay, Patrick, thank you for sending us in appreciated Karen, you're talking to yesterday about some of Trump's personal choice a personnel pardon me, personnel choices is a very different topic. Just found out that Betsy Divas and James Madis both were investors in Pharaonos. Divas lost one hundred million dollars, only a small part

of her wealth. But still, I listened to all the episodes of the Dropout podcast produced by ABC, fascinating Karen. A lot of very sophisticated and wealthy people lost a tremendous amount of money in that pharaonostibacle. I believe Rupert Murdoch lost over one hundred million dollars. The person that, for me in that whole situation comes out looking like he had the word judgment is the former Secretary of State Schultz, George Schultz, just because he went against his

own family. He thought his grandson was the crazy one. And Elizabeth Holmes was this magician who was going to change global change, global medicine. And I would just note that, you know, you look at Elizabeth Holmes a video of her, I still don't understand she must have some secret power that she can use with certain people, because to me, she always seemed like a crazy person who was putting

on a character act. And there's nothing confidence inspiring or appealing about her, and yet everybody who was around her seemed to fall for this or at least most of them did. It's just absolutely bizarre. So yeah, let's see Katie. She writes something about a here we Go Today. Rush was talking about the political capital the media is raising with their reporting. Makes people feel helpless, so they say,

what can we do? So the social justice war organizations say, give us money after the ice rates here in Mississippi, they are raising capital with things like the Mississippi Center for Justice. Well, yeah, absolutely, and people try to get their organizations bottom line looking better as soon as they have a news story that fits into a narrative that

they can use. So I think that's very much the case, David, hey Buck, In a perfect world, wouldn't they just release the video from Epstein's cell Instead the powers that be have to take us on this wild media circus and all the giant talking heads get involved and everybody attacks Trump. Keep up the great work, brother, Take care of Dave. Dave. My understanding is they don't have a cell camera. They

didn't have them in the cells. They have them for entry and exit to the cells, but they don't actually have the person constantly under a camera surveillance. I do believe that in reality TV shows even they have cameras in the bedrooms, but they promise not to show any naughty stuff, but they don't have them in cells, So that's what we've been led to believe. There wasn't a camera malfunction that was an issue reported on the whole Epstein suicide. There was just the absence of camera recording

inside the cell. So take that as you will. My friends, Angela, Hi Buckshields hide not surprised Jeff Epstein is dead. Can we ever go on offense? Seems like we're always defending? Did you read the article on the Baltimore cleanup? Are the dam's ever going to be truthful? Angela, I don't know if we're I mean, I think Trump is the closest thing you're ever going to get to the right on going on offense. So if you don't feel like we're on offense now, you're gonna have to wait a

long time. And I did not see the Baltimore clean up, but I appreciate it's from the Washington Examiner. I see it here. I will take a look. Thank you for sending it my way. Case Buck, I've been following this Epstein deal and from working in a jail system, a person doesn't get pulled off suicide Watch. I wonder if the government will deal with these prison guards and prison officials like they did the jailers and county officials in

Waller County, Texas after Sandra Bland. Probably not, Thanks and keep up the good work, Shields High case man. I've always thought that the sketchiest decision in the Epstein suicide was the decision to take him off of suicide Watch. I mean, if someone's already tried suicide, you're really going to say, oh no, but that person's learned their lesson a week or two later. It just seems very strange,

very strange to me. Oh, Gina, right, Haygan Buck, I'm under you said Azar was the Labor secretary who let Epstein off in the case, it was actually a Costa, right, hate hate to correct you. Maybe I stand corrected, Shields High, No, Gina, you're correct. Sorry, it's it's a Costa. If I said Asar, I apologize. A Costa was the US attorney for Miami who let Epstein off initially. So yep, there you there

you have it. Benny all Rights, Hey Buck, when you were talking about the new movie The Hunt, and you said it reminded me of another movie you. I knew you were going to say, Ice TV. You said, Jean Claude. I didn't see that one, but I could swear iceed he was kidnapped and taken out in a wooded area and was hunted. Love your show and listen to you and Dan Hope that's not considered heresy Shields high Benny Well, Benny, No, absolutely, man,

it's a thank you for listening to me. I appreciate it, and you know I am in good company with mister Bongino there, And thank you for writing in. Yeah, the movie that you're referred to, whoever else has been talking about. I can't even know what it's called right now, but we were talking about earlier in the week. But yeah, the one that I've seen more is The Van dem One. But hunting human Beings is not a new plot line.

It's happened many, many times, and in fact, if you look at the basic storyline, I mean, yeah, I know it's future and dystopia and all that, but even the Hunger Games, which I did not understand why anybody thought that that was a good movie, but people did. Yeah, Hunting Humans. Leonard Rights on the Hills Have Eyes. The first and only time I watched that movie was two thousand and six while I was at Officer Candidate school.

We had just completed our final field exercise and we're allowed to watch TV for the first time about three months while we cleaned our weapons and equipment. The ready room was well lit and the audience was about half new guys to the army and half hardened veterans former NCOs, almost all of whom had deployed in the Jewod, including me. It was like a scene from Mystery Science Theater three thousand. As the group found more and more outlandish ways to

parody the violence on scene, it is one on screen. Rather, it is one of the best OCS memories I have. All Right, Leonard, Well, I'm glad you enjoyed watching that at least some of the circumstances. Sounds like you managed to get something out of the situation. So there is that. Valerie, Right's buck. Your show keeps me safe and warm at night. Thank you. It's awesome. Well, Valorie, that's the perfect way for us to settle things down here in the Freedom

Hunt today. That's a great message to close on. Thank you everybody for listening. Like I said, we will be out of New York City and wow, it'll be less than two weeks now. So there my last days in the swamp. If you have any swamp requests, if you want to see video of Buck in a Mancini going down the National Mall en route to the Jefferson Memorial waving American flags in both hands, eating a cheeseburger while he has hands holding flat I'm just trying to think

of something crazy, folks. I don't know what I'm talking about, but my last few days in the swamp coming up here. So I got that going for me, which is nice. Please do tell somebody about the Bucks acton show. Best thing you can do for me, most helpful thing you can do for Team Buck. I will talk to you all tomorrow. Shields high,