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That's one eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. We've got a great show for you this evening, and I want you to be a part of it. Whatever you have to say, whether it's about the government continuing it's partial shutdown, who's at fault, whether you're from the left, the right, the middle, the moon, I want to hear from you, guys and gals today. We've got a lot of subjects to cover over the course of the next couple of hours, so stick with us. But I wanted

to start with this. Over the last day or so, just when you thought the fake news media could not get any worse, we find ourselves subjected to another dog and pony show from CNN and NBC News this Christmas week. I want to quote the Washington Post, of all places

for you right now. The Post published an article today by their media critic Eric Wemple, saying there were merely seven hours and forty seven minutes left of Christmas Day when NBC News published this story the headline Trump becomes first president since two thousand and two not to visit troops at Christmas time. But even the Washington Post not exactly noted for its Trump friendliness, even they are calling out NBC for not just publishing demonstrably fake news, but

also for sticking to their story. They are standing by that story as if the President of the United States hadn't left the White House at all this week. Well we know he did, of course, not just because of the address in Iraq itself nor the stopover in Germany, but also because Air Force one, operating under a covert call sign was actually physically spotted in the air above

Sheffield in the United Kingdom by some amateur plane enthusiasts. Yes, obviously the President did visit Iraq, unless there's some major conspiracy whereby he really did all of that from the basement of the White House. Maybe MSNBC. Maybe NBC will be telling us that the shadows and the videos don't line up quite right, or the flag was waving incorrectly. Maybe they're Iraq visit truthers, Iraq landing conspiracy theorists. Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald acting in concert with President Trump shot

John F. Kennedy. Maybe what we do know, however, is NBC hasn't apologized nor really retracted its grotesque fake news story. Oh they put a little disclaimer on it, something something surprise visit not our fault, don't shoot the messenger. But the damage, the intentional damage, I'll remind you, was already done. The damage was supposed to be incurred by President Trump and his administration, as so many news stories a fashion to do nowadays. Instead it backfired, leaving yet another mess

for the media, and specifically for NBC. You see, trust in the media has been declining for some time now. Gallop the polling organization, found that between two thousand and three and two thousand and sixteen, the percentage of Americans who said they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media fell from fifty four to thirty two percent. Sixty nine percent of adults in the current survey say their trust in the news media has

decreased in the past decade. Just four percent say their trust is increased, and this week's incident muddies those already murky waters further. While few were to know that Fir Force one would take off in the dead of night from Joint Base, andrews ms I keep saying, NBC appeared so eager to criticize this president, getting one more dig in at him over the Christmas period, that they couldn't even wait until Christmas was well and truly over to

take their shot. Well, they missed again. Even the Washington Post concurs. At the end of the analysis piece on the subject today, author and media critic Eric Wemple concludes, quote correct the piece, NBC News or prepared to stand legitimately accused of propagating fake news. And NBC weren't the only ones this week to humiliate themselves over the president's Iran visit. I want you to listen to the following

CNN commentators. I'm sorry I'm subjecting you to this. The infamous Jim Acosta included their reactions and talking points over the visit to US soldiers. Is really quite something to behold. Let's play that clip. Is that unusual to see the president doing that on base? Does this run the risk of the president, you know, facing some accusations that he's turning some of this into a campaign stop? What are you? Well?

You know, this is very interesting. The pool reporters traveling said that the troops brought the hats with them, including one hat that said Trump twenty twenty. We will have to see if that actually proves to be the case. The question is if they brought them or if the president brought them? What commander allowed that to really happen? Because this is very much against military policy and regulation. Troops are not supposed to be involved in political activities.

The US military is not a political force. And there's no question the saying Trump twenty twenty and make America great again, those are political slogans of a Trump campaign. They are not governmental sayings to put to say the least right and John, I mean, what would the concern be if something like that is going on? Do you think or is this just you know, a soldiers there he's got a hat in his locker and he runs over and says, hey, when am I gonna have another

chance for the president to sign one of these things. Yeah. Look, I mean it kind of blurs the line because the Trump is his slogan and where's that, where's that? You know, where's that line? But Barb's right, it is in fact a campaign slogan, that is a campaign item and is completely inappropriate for the troops to do. Supposed to do it, not supposed to do this, and I'm sure that their boss is seeing that. They're They're not going to be happy about it. But look, the president has to take

some ownership of this too. Every time he's around military audiences, he tends to politicize it and he brings in complaints and grievances from outside the realm of military policy. This was wrong for him to do it as well. I'm going to be really interested to see Jim when we get video of his comments to the troops, his actual speech at Aliside, and I hope that he didn't politicize that those sets of remarks, But we'll have to wait and see. We're gonna have to wait and see which

command or allowed that to happen. The military is not a political fools. It was inappropriate. The bosses won't be happy Trump has to take ownership over it. Listen to the stretch in their voices much better if you can go and watch that online. They are at such great pains. They know they're going to ridiculous lengths to implicate this president in something, anything, even something is innocuous. Assigning baseball caps, Well, let the impeachment proceedings begin. Surely this is the gravest

deception ever foist upon the American people. Some soldiers wanted their commander in chief's autograph and posed happily with make America Great Again caps. The horror of it all. Meanwhile, on the southern border, of course, no one really cares about the waves of mass illegal immigration coming into the United States. Well, unless it's a migrant child that's suffering, of course, then they're all down there with their cameras

and their crews and the crocodile tears. Who've seen it in Europe before, of course, during the crisis of twenty fifteen. Is it really any wander I ask you, that we across the Western world have so little faith in our media overlords. Now, can it really be that surprising to the one time masters of the universe at this point that they have sufficiently abused the trust of the public

to the extent that many are just switching off completely. I, for one, as somebody who regards journalism as a noble profession stacked with ignoble operators, have lost all sympathy for these people. M MSNBC, sure, NBC, CNN, to quote the President of the United States, you are fake news. The lines are open here one eight four four nine hundred buck one eight four four nine hundred two eight two five.

You're going to go to a quick break now when we come back, more of your calls, and we've got some great guests for you here on the Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahemkasam, filling in four Buck Sexton from the Freedom Hut here in Washington, d C. The phone lines are open eight four four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two eight to five. Want to go to the phone lines now, let's go to Charlie from Ocean City, Maryland. Charlie you

with us. Yes, I am saying you made you do. Thank you taking my call. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a little older citizen and I've been listening to all this talk about building the wall, and it's very simple. Back in the sixties, I was in the CBS and I spent a couple of years in nom We built everything, and we have a wall in DC. It's the Vietnam Memorial, affectionately called the Wall. Now we can put a wall in our border with the Sbees. It's all military. It

will be covered by military expense. The only problem is the cbees cannot build in the United States unless it's specified as training exercised. Could it be specified as a training exercise? Sure, it could be. You're teaching the Cbees how to build a wall. That sounds like a great idea to me. What do you think? What do you

think the calculation is behind not going that route just yet? Well, I think I think the President in his staff is looking for other means how to fund this because they have contractors in mind who developed the prototypes and knowing this building President, because he built all his life, he can get this wall for much less than what is publicly stated. Makes a lot of sense, Charlie, We're gonna put that question to our next guest. Thank you so

much for the call. We have Colonel Rob Manus joining us now on the line. A thirty two year combat veteran in the Air Force, a B Wing Squadron Commander, Colonel Rob Manus, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for him appreciate it you having beyond and just correct me if I'm wrong. You also have a new show, is that right? I do on the Blaze TV, The Rob Manis Show. You can find us on Facebook at the Rob Manis Show or if you just follow me on Twitter at Rob Manus. You can pick up the website that's m

A N E. S. S. Rob. I wanted to ask you. I wanted to get Charlie in there first. What do you think of that idea? Is that feasible having the military build a wall? Oh? Sure, it's feasible. We do all kinds of things and call them training exercises in order to not just to do them, but to get

value out of doing that. For instance, doing apply over using multi aircraft at a NASCAR raise for a football game costs a lot of taxpayers dollars, but the air crew is getting and the maintenance personnel are getting training out of that. So absolutely we could do that. The question is do we use cbs, Do we use the civil engineers in the Air Force the red horse folks who are who are deployable, or use them all and call it all one big training exercise. But absolutely possible

and feasible to do that. So in the first part of this show, Rob I talked about the visit to Iraq and the media's heads blowing up. Of course, NBC accused the President of not having gone at all. They now Iraq visit. Truth is. Then you also had CNN talking about this, this massive, massive scandal that is surely going to bring the government down, of President Trump signing

a baseball cap. I mean, as as somebody who has spent the dominant part of their adult life in the military, how does it make you feel to hear the military being politicized by the media in that sense? And is there really any any smoking gun when it comes to the president signing a baseball cap? I mean, this was ludicrous, isn't it. I mean two days worth of commentary about it. Oh.

Absolutely not the set. But my buddy US Army retired Colonel Kurt Slichter and I are both being trolled by by CNN's paid hack on this issue, retired General Mark Hurdling, and he's been going back and forth with us pretty much since last night about this and and tries to say that it's a political, partisan, political activity and because they were in uniform, it's illegally. I mean, he's sent me copies of the regulation. I've had to cut pieces

out and show it to him. You know, a first surprise that he's doing this, other than I know he's a political hack for CNN and he's made by CNN and that's what c any wants to do. But the not funny part of it is they're attacking the troops that are in combat on the ground in Iraq for asking the President United States to autograph some items. You know,

he happens to have the baga hat. None of that is partisan, uh, And they have to be a uniform because they're in a combat zone and he's the commander in chief and if they want him to sign something, that's fine. Look, Barack Obama and Vice President Biden both visited my last base that I commanded, the base on

in Out in New Mexico. That and we had we had the troops and civilians, their government, savinians, people from the base meet the airplane because they want they want to meet the president and vice president of the United States. They're not partisan people. Uh, And they'd hand them all kinds of things to get signed, and I really didn't pay any attention to what they were handing him to get signed because I didn't care. I'm not going to attack the troops and deplete their morale by making it

a political issue when it's not. It's it's a commander in chief visiting your base. Well that was even Barack Obama on the way to an off based political event, you know. So it's just crazy. But CNN is telling us these guys. CNN is telling us that the command is going to be very upset and the bosses are not going to be happy, and there's going to be hell to pay for this. The reality is nobody's going to care, right, nobody cares outside of that CNN studio,

No nobody cares. And they're actually lying. And General Hurtling is of using the facts from the ethics regulation that he himself sent me the link to this morning, and I had to cut out the part that talks about they're prohibited from partisan political activities and engaging in that and attending political events as a spectator if they're a uniform when they're not a uniform. They can do whatever they want, but that's not what the case is here.

As the cases of Commandergy visiting combat forces, they happen to have some items that they wanted him to get signed, and that's fine, and none of it was partisan. Those items aren't even partisan. There's nothing about political parties even on those items that they got signed by the guy. I think it's ridiculous. And they owe an apology to

the American forces in Iraq. You know, it really does make me sad to see things like that happening because we've seen that sort of attack on national morale is what it really is. It's not just even about the troops morale. So the troops morale reflects national morale as well, and they both play an integral part together. It's it's it's it's a lattice. They overlap and to attack national morale at Christmas no less, when the President is, as you say, in a combat zone visiting the troops, which

is what they were complaining that he hadn't done. He was kicking their boxes and and and this is what happens, Colonel rob manis we've got to leave it there because we're up against the hard break. But I thank you so much for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show. You can catch Rob's work at rob Man s M A n e SS dot com. Stay on the lines. We'll be right back for more callers after this break.

Welcome back. This is the Buck Sexton Show. Raheem Kasam filling in for Buck today live from the Freedom Hut. I have invaded the Freedom Hunt here in Washington, d C. The phone lines are open eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. You know, I used to host a show over on another another network, and the callers were the most important part of the show for me. I really, I really don't care what I have to say so much, which

is strange for somebody hosting a radio show. I am really much more interested in what you guys have to say. But if you are interested in the long term or the medium term, if you choose to unfollow me in what I have to say, you can find me on all the social media's as well. M Twitter at Raheem Kassam. It's rah e M k A S S A M. Same on Facebook and Instagram and all all of those YouTube you name it. I'm on there quite a lot, probably a little too much. I want to go back

to the calls now. Nine one. Larry is in Ohio. Mister Larry, are you there? Yes, Regime Hope pronounced your name right, yeah, absolutely, go right ahead, Larry, are you there? Yeah? Can you hear us? We can hear you. Just fine, go right ahead with your point, okay, h They've been talking about this war issue as a star in the

government shutdown. I ever read a idea, Let's have the Ambassador of the United Seats meet with the ambassador of Mexico and propose to them a radical idea of having Mexico vote their people vote on joining the United States. As an inn action to New Mexico. We'll take that twenty five billion for the wall and improve their infrastructure and ours and send enough FBI, CIA of whatever, do away with the cartel, and raise their standard of living

much higher than it is now. Well, I did not expect that a democratic annexation of Mexico as a means by which to stop mass, mass illegal immigration. But don't you think if you were to do that, I mean, you'd if they were to actually go ahead and do something like that, you'd be creating millions of more American citizens. You don't think they just flood into the rest of the US while their infrastructure is being improved. I mean,

I know we're talking theoretically here. Forard continues building cars in Mexico and large companies in the United States continue doing business in Mexico, they will be paid the same as American workers. I think, I think, I think you'd have to have a referendum within the United States as well. On that. I'm not sure that there'd be a great a great taste for for for Mexico joining the US, Larry, but I appreciate the radical thinking. Larry from Ohio. There

phone lines are open, ladies and gentlemen. Eight four four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. We have We have Dana from Lake City in Florida. Dana, good afternoon, good evening. Hey, how are you? Thank you for Dickie marcall, Hey my pleasure, go right ahead. Yeah, I'm My concern is with the president, and you know,

we have heard about fake news for a while. Well, we were all just duped in the idea that he said, you know, oh, I'm not going to go tomorrow, Lago, I'm going to stay in the White House where the government shuts down. He even tweeted for me. And realistically, this trip to Iraq had been planned for six weeks in advance, and I feel like we were just duped. We were supposed to feel sorry for his actions when all the time there's a whole another scenario going on

behind the scenes. You know, well, do you think that was do you think that was him fooling or part of security protocol to make sure that you know the trip wasn't leaked. The White House, for better or worse, is a leaky place. That was his safeguard against the trip leaking out. Now, that would be one way to look at it. I suppose you don't like it. You don't sound like you enjoyed that. But did you feel empathy or sympathy for him when you read that? Poor me,

I'm in the White House will alone this Christmas? Is that why you feel a bit dupe? Now? No, to be honest with you, No, I didn't feel any sympathy. I don't feel any sympathy for him at all. Frankly, I would prefer a president with much more dignity and class. But that's what we have, and that's what we're dealing with. That's an interesting point. Now you can probably tell that I am a big fan of this president, and I

regard myself as as quite a dignified person. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who are also dignified in regard themselves as such, but that do like this president. Do you can you not see their their point, The sort of Andrew Jackson esque brusqueness of this president may be the only way they feel that they can get anything done. Um, it would be nice if that were a fact. But you know, in the case of Andrew Jackson, he had a history of working

towards certain goals. Donald Trump's goals have been to take advantage of real estate options, and realistically, there's in a bank in this country that will loan him a dollar. So that's why he's been learning, learning towards the Russians in order, you know, increase his bank stake. Well, I don't, I don't. I don't think that. I don't think there's not a bank in this country that would lend him a dollar. But I appreciate the fact that when you when you have been in real estate for a long time,

and some projects succeed in some projects fail. Sure it makes you a riskier investment, But you don't believe that he has any tangible policy goals. I mean, there's been sweeping change to the federal courts system under under him so far? How been policies that have been enacted? Are those accidents? Well? No, The only thing that truthfully he's done since being voted in the Reblican party reboving your party,

has taken the lead and move things forward. He is just a figurehead, if you will, at lowheart in my opinion and realistically, he has done nothing but create controversy. The Republicans are the ones running the show now, Dana, can I ask if and you don't have to answer this, but can I ask do you typically vote Republican or Democrats? So are you? Are? You? Go ahead? Well, anyway, let me finish one second. One. The only he's really done is remove everything that Obama had initially put in. And

everyone thinks, so we're saving money because we've taken away regulations. Well, you know we'll pay with dirty water and dirty other things as the environment shows us in time. But you know that's just my opinion. I was concerned realistically with the fact that we were reduced, and he's sitting there saying, oh, poor me, I'm not taking my vacation, and then we get to see that realistically he's off, Oh, we were on a plane with all the shades down and it

was dark, and that was well. Dana, thank you very much for your input and your call this evening here on the Buck Sexton Show. I'm very sorry that Dana felt duped. I wonder how you guys feel about that. I certainly took that tweet with a sort of tongue in cheek, you know, poor me in brackets. The President tweeted a couple of days ago about being being in the White House during the government shut down, and he

said it was the only one in there. Obviously he wasn't the only one in the entire White House complex over Christmas. So I think that was a little bit playful. I'm not sure we should feel duped by it, but I appreciate the tone and the ability to have that discussion, and Dana was very polite but also forthright, and I think those are the sorts of discussions we need to be able to have and to laugh at each other's jokes and not resort to screaming and tearing our hair

out all the time. Eight l four nine hundred buck is the number if you want to be part of that conversation. I also wanted to make mention very briefly of this, because I lauded the Washington Posts media correspondent in the opening part of this show, Eric Wemple, who had a bit of a go at NBC for what he called and what I called, there are opportunistic fake news attempt to portray Trump is not caring about the

troops this Christmas this morning. So so let me retract some of that praise for the Washington Post, because this morning they published a story and I'm recalling this off the top of my head, so it's not going to be verbat him. The headline they published a story that said something like Trump without evidence, suggests that the furloughed workers in Washington, DC are Democrats. Now, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that the majority of those federal workers

are Democrats. There was a study done after the twenty sixteen at general presidential election here by The Hill newspaper, an actual good journalist called Jonathan Swan, who's now over at Axios. He wrote an article entitled government workers shun Trump, give big money to Clinton, and they reported at the time that of the roughly two million dollars that federal workers from fourteen agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, around one point nine million, or ninety

five percent, went to the Democratic nominees campaign. That was the Hill dot COM's analysis. And you go through the list of these of these donations by agency, agriculture, my eyes are kind of failing me. Here it's a small chart. I'm looking at Agriculture ninety nine point four percent went to Clinton, Commerce ninety nine point two percent, Defense eighty four, Education ninety nine point seven percent, and it goes on

and on and on. So I don't think it's fair for the Washington Post to say Trump without evidence m complains or suggests that these furloughed workers are Democrats. That there is manifest evidence that that is the case, that is in print in writing, And I noted that later on in the day, actually after I had tweeted this Hill analysis from twenty sixteen. Later on in the day, the Washington Post mentioned that at the bottom of the article, in a second article that they ran on the story.

So I wonder, I wonder if there were some sort of mere coppers going on at the Washington Post for attacking the president in the morning, for that suggestion, just saying that's that's all. Hey, let's sir, let's take a quick break now, because when we come back, we're going to have another good buddy of mine. He's he's called Gil barn Dollar. He's at the Center for the National Interest, which is I think the first foreign policy think tank that President Trump when he was candidate Trump gave a

foreign policy speech too. And we want to get into the Syria discussion because I've heard so much alarmism on Syria in the last couple of days. And for those of you that don't know me, I have a history in foreign policy. I have. I have spent time at foreign policy think tanks, the Henry Jackson Society, which was a neo conservative think tank for my sins a good old, good old decade ago. Now we'll talk to we'll talk to Gil in a moment about that. So quick break now,

don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton's show. Raheim Casam here in the Freedom Hunt in Washington, DC. Want to get straight to our next Gil Bond Dollar is the director of Middle East Studies at the Center for the National Interest. Gil, thank you for joining us here this evening. Hey, Ray, how are you very well? We don't have much time because I ran late in

that segment, so I want in the last segment. So I just want to throw it straight over to you and get all your thoughts, if possible, over the next five minutes or so on the withdrawal in Syria over to you. Gil. Sure, well, on balance, I think it's

I think it's a good thing. Um. You know, there's been predictable hysteria across across pretty much the media, regardless of partisan affiliation, from you know, the theoretically leading foreign policy lights in both parties, the think tank world, the rest, the kind of foreign policy establishment almost you know, in this day and age, it's kind of bizarre unanimity that you very very rarely see in Washington these days on

the supposed folly of the Syria pullout. So we can, you know, we can talk to you like about the specifics and how the decision was arrived at all. That I think that's largely speculative. Um, You know, you can go on some reporting and speculative about that, but in terms of the merits of pulling out of a you know, essentially a punitive expedition, I hope um in Syria that had had mostly run its course, and I never mind the illegality and a constitutionality of that war. Uh, I mean,

I'm in favor of the substance of what we're doing. Well, So let me ask you then about the the the the alarmism behind a lot of the critique of this that if we have no twenty two hundred American troops in Syria, that Iran will take over the entire region, Turkey will establish a new caliphate, Russia will become the world's greatest superpower ever. I mean, these are the things we're being I mean, obviously embellishing, but these are the things we're sort of being led down the path to believe.

What say you to those criticisms, Yeah, of course, I mean that that's stuff absurd and as you said, you can't really you can't have all those things to want. Um. If I had to pick a favorite, there was a I think it was Dana Milbank. There was a piece in the Post that that this proved that Russia had won, had won World War Three. I think with the phrasing which is which probably takes the cake for the most absurd and hysterical reaction. UM. But no, you know, Syria

would never accord national security indust the United States. We dealt just fine with Richard Alissadon with his father when they were both in power. Now supposedly it's it's unconscionable that he's going to remain in power, and it has effectively won that civil war with some mopping up to do. UM. You know, the fact that they're that there are a few thousand nicest holdouts scattered throughout both Iraq and Syria

is something we supposedly can't can't survive. UM. I don't think anyone can incredibly claim that's an existential threat to the United States or even at this stage even a serious threat to the Iraqi or Syrian regimes. UM. But you know, we can talk to us, piece, we can talk to other powers in the region. But but um, Iran is not is not a serious threat the United States. It's it's a somewhat serious threat to Israel. But the Israelis can take care of themselves just fine, I don't

think we need to worry too much on that score. Um, the Turks, I'm sure we'll bite off some chunks of of northern Syries where it looks like will probably happen. Um. And and uh, the Russians have have renewed m renewed interests, and renewed weight in the region. But that's that's developed over through a few things, not least of which is their successful and pretty limited military intervention in Syria. Gil, I've got about thirty seconds here. Um, do we owe

the Kurds anything? Because that's what we keep hearing at the moment. Well, the Kurds aren't dunning. I mean I've I've written this and so fuenty of other people. The Kurds have been Uh, you know, we've we've given them some support and they've they've taken it and they've run with it, and and they protect their own interests. But do you hear that line a lot? And I will

tell you that the um that's here, that's that's the music. Gil, We're gonna have to leave it there, But I thank you for joining us here on the buck Sex and Show. That's gilbarn Dollar. Check his work over at the Center for the National Interest. This is the Buck Sexton Show. Raheem Kassam will be right back after this break. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. My name is Rahem Kassam, filling in for Buck today live from the Freedom Hunt here in an increasingly cold Washington, DC. So much so

than I recently ordered thermals. I've never owned thermals before, and I'm quite excited about them coming. So there you go. There's something about me that you don't know and probably didn't care to know. The phone lines here are open. We do appreciate all your calls. I'm going to try and get to as many callers as possible this evening because that is my favorite part of the show. The number is eight four four nine hundred two eight two five.

That's eight four four nine hundred Buck. But first, I wanted to bring you an interesting story that I don't think got enough pick up. A good friend of mine broke this story about a week ago. It's about the Nation of Islam. Alana Goodman from the Well newly from the Washington Examiner, formerly of the Daily Mail and prior to that the Washington Free Beacon, but now at the Washington examiner joins us on the line. Now, Alana, thanks for thanks for joining us this evening, Thanks for having

mean are here. I know, I know you've got drinks to get back to, Alana, so I won't I won't keep you that long. But I just thought this, Uh you do if you've always got Alana as the girl who no matter where you see her, she's always got a martini with three olives in her hand. I mean she could be she could be at the Metro waiting for the train and she'll have a martini glass in her hand. Isn't that right? Is that an accurate depiction? Now?

I don't know, I don't know, Alana. You broke a really important story last week about the Nation of Islam, and I wanted to make sure everybody knew about this. The headline nation of Islam receiving federal cash to teach prisoners. Talk us through this a little bit. Yeah, Nation of Islam has received about three hundred and sixty thousand dollars from the US government. This is through the Bureau of

Prisons UM to teach their philosophy to prison inmates. And uh, you know this has been going on to two thousand and eight. And you know, as your listeners calledbly know, the Nation of Islam run by Lewis Skerricon, who has referred to Jews's termites recently. UM is a you know, it's a it's a fundamentally anti white, anti Semitic organization.

And uh, you know this group is getting funding not just for you know, different program programming that they do, but actually you'll like to teach people in federal prisons about their philosophy. Yeah, this is an organization that has has called white people blue eyed devils and suggested that Jews are the synagogue of Satan. Um. How did the how did the Bureau of Prisons explain handing them three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars in contracts? Well, they

actually haven't really explained it yet. I reached up them for comments for the story and gave them, you know, several days to get back to us, and in the end they just sent me pretty much the code UM, the US code that says that they're able to pay contractors UM. And that was it. So we really haven't heard much from them. They said that they don't keep their contracts for longer than six years and because the original contract in this case, UM was more than six

years ago. They're not able to provide any more information about, for example, like what the Nation of Islam was teaching seasonmates, what materials were being used up, you know, what, what reading, what books, anything like that. And look, this is an organization that a lot of their literatures latently anti semitic. Um. You know, one of one of their most popular books is called The Secret History between Blacks and Jews, which clintons that you know, Jews were orchestrated the trans Atlantic

slave trade. So this is uh, you know, it's very concerning from about what they were teaching, well deeply, and you'd think more so because of the recent controversy surrounding the Women's March and Linda Sarsare and the relationships that many of those people have had with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. I mean, for the U, I mean, let's let's be clear about this. This isn't US government money. This is taxpayer money. This is ordinary people's cash going

to an organization like this. I'm I'm I'm I suppose I was going to say I'm shocked, but really, I suppose we shouldn't be that shocked by it, But is there is there any Look, I would also add, I mean beyond just the taxpayer money issue, which obviously you know is very concerning on a public level. UM Congressman Peter King from New York, who I spoke to about this, the the point of UM radicalization in prison. I mean,

radicalization has been a big issue. Uh. There was a center report who it was in two thousand and ten that found that dozens of UM, dozens of inmates who had been converted to Islam in prison and been radicalized had gone to Yemen and we're believed to be trained in al Qaeda CAM. So this is a big issue.

And UM, you know, he he thought that that was something that we needed to look into more because um, you know, as as he told me, look like when he believes there should be vetting for people who are UM, you know, religious leaders in prisons, and as he said, like the vetting should stop when you learn that it's the aser coons group, Like that should be the end of the vetting. That's just the luck. We're not we're not we're not paying you to come in and we're

not giving you money to teach these prisoners. Well, I think it's increasingly it's increasingly disgraceful that the US Bureau of Prisons don't want to or say they can't disclose more to do with the original contract there. I think that's that's bs for start um. And then and then you wonder what other sorts of groups have been getting this cash over over the last decade or so. I

mean this started winning to two thousand and eight. Yeah, yeah, and that was something you know, you mentioned me, which I think is great, a great idea to look into who else is getting funding. Um. The issue is that this stuff is not posted. I mean it is, it is posted publicly, um, but it's difficult to find out like who all of the contractors who want specific agency

as KUM. And I want to mention also that the Bureau of Prison is under the Department of Justice, so these were, at the end of the day, Department of Justice contracts. It's extraordinary stuff. Alana. Just tell the audience where they can follow more of your work and your tweets and so on and so forth. Well, you can read me at the Washington Examiner and I'm on Twitter

at Alanta. Good men there, it is all right, Alana, back to your martini, have one for me, since I'll be stuck in this studio for another two hours at least. But I am just I am literally just down the road from our favorite watering hole, so I may stop in later for a for a post show celebration. Alana Goodman there, thank you once again for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show. Thanks for that phone number here is eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four

four nine hundred two eight two five. If you're wondering why Buck has an English accent today, that's because I'm not Buck. My name's Rheim Kassam. I feel in occasionally four Buck. You might have heard me on here before you can. You can find me on the social media and all that as well. I believe you have another guest host tomorrow, if I'm not incorrect, in the form of my good buddy Harland Hill, unless unless something is drastically changed, mister producer, is that correct? I'm saying the

right thing, Okay, good I like saying the right thing. Yeah, Harland Hill is a is a fantastic chap as well, so make sure you check out the show tomorrow. Well, obviously it's not going to be as good as this Swan. You know, Harland doesn't have the accent, but but he'll you're a good hands with Holland I want to I want to see if we have any other callers on the line. Let's go to uh let's go to Kenny in Boston. Kenny on line two. Are you there right?

How are you doing? I just wanted to call to disagree with that previous caller who spoke about being deceived by Trump with the whole Iraq visit. It was a bit it was a bit hyperbolic, don't you think absolutely well. Of course he also dodged the question when you asked

does he usually vote Democrat publicans? So I suspected as much. However, um no, I think it was just a coincidence or a matter of convenience because of the secrecy that was required for a trip like that as as usual, and then he just used it at that same time to play them, and he game them, but it does expose them in their fake news endeavors. So I did like that a lot. And in fact, he did a double because when it came out that they were trying to say, well,

we shamed him into doing a visit. Well, no, the visit was planned, right right, I mean, this is incredible, isn't it. You had this I can't remember the woman's name now, Solid Solid Dad O'Brien or someone like that who was on Twitter crowing about, oh, we shamed President Trump into going to visit the troops, like Trump wasn't reading your Twitter, and then decided about ten minutes later, let's get to Joint Base Andrews and take Air Force

one over to Iran. These things take between six and twelve weeks planning, especially for something in a combat zone, so very sensitive. And yeah, they've made themselves out to be quite foolish over this Christmas period, haven't they. Kenny, absolutely well, And I just want I just wanted to add one other thing. When there's a term that they use, what aboutism, Remember that's what about is or what about a right? Well, well, what aboutism is not even a word.

What they're talking about in what about ithism, they're referring to history, recent history. So what they're saying, ignore what aboudhism. They're saying, ignore recent history. So that's really what they're you know what I mean, you know, that's a really good point. It's a very good point when they say, don't compare these two incidents. It's them trying, it's them running interference. You're absolutely right, Kenny, Thank you so much

for that call. We are going to go to a break now because when we come back, I do want to get to more callers. But we also have a couple more guests in this hour that I wanted to bring to you, including my good buddy from American Majority

Ned Ryan. He'll be joining us to talk about the extended, partial maybe kind of furlough shutdown thing that's going on here in Washington, d C. All I can say is Washington, d C. Has been a very very pleasant place this last week, and it's because a lot of these people have left town. And it's because a lot of these federal workers are not milling about all over the place,

the majority of them being Democrats. I'll have you know, thank you very much Washington Post if you didn't hear me in the first hour, correcting the Washington Post on their claim that President Trump said that these majority of the federal workers Democrats. They are indeed, and we know it for a fact. All right, quick break, we'll be right back here on the Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back, to the Buck Sexton show. I'm Raheem Cassam, broadcasting live

from the Freedom Hut here in Washington, DC. I like these action packed shows. Lots of halls on the boards. The phone number here eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. If you are against me, if you are with me against any of our guests, I want you to call in. We can have a grown up discussion. I'm not going to scream and shower you unless you really push my buttons.

But speaking of somebody who might scream and shout at me if I if I don't let him get back to his dinner soon. Ned Ryan, the founder and CEO of American Majority, joins us on the line. Now, Ned, good evening. Good to be with you. Man. Am I keeping you from dinner? Ned? No, I've already had dinner. Okay, keep me from a nice relax and leaving with my

wife in front of fire. But I'm here. Let's go well, Ned, I just want to tell the listeners Ned took me, took me shooting in his backyard the other day, and I got so much hatred on social media, Ned from from my British followers. Yeah, because they are so squeamish about guns. Even the conservatives in the UK are so squeamish about guns, and if you, you know, insert an animal into that process, well then they just lose their

minds totally. So I had to defend the Second Amendment all day the day after I saw you, and the next day on my Instagram feed they were absolutely losing their minds. But I wanted to thank you publicly for letting me shoot some trees in your backyard. Oh. Absolutely, you missed on some more fun today. I sided in my red dot on the AAR and got the SKS ready to go hunting on Saturday, which, hopefully, on the other end of it will be a nice big buck that I will enjoy eating. So not not buck Sexton.

That's that's, of course, no sect. He wouldn't be nearly as good. He'd probably stringy. He God knows, there's a lot of meat on that guy. You've seen him recently, Well, that's true. I mean, you just have to do a slow He's not here to defend himself. I shouldn't I shouldn't be so mean. The next part of fun, though, when you come out, is I will take you deer hunting. Uh, and we'll knock down a deer and we'll have some nice, delicious backstrap. Fine by me. In the meantime, I think

we have politics to discuss. Um we've We've only got about five minutes in this segment, so I didn't I mean, we don't need to spend too much time on this anyway, but it's it's but it's worth noting, and it's worth sort of assessing where where this might go. I'm talking about the partial government shutdown that now looks like it's going to extend in into January, with the House lifting today and not coming back until was it January two? I think they get sworn in January three. But you know,

I'm of the opinion rehem. I have not been shy at all whether or not EDS on TV shut it all down, shut the government down. I've encouraged President Trump to shut the southern border down. I mean, these are this is a serious issue that we have to deal with in this country. To say that we have an immigration system, it is a joke. It's still broken. I wouldn't call it an immigration system. And at some point someone has to stand up and say we have to

actually start questioning what we're doing as a country. And quite frankly, Rehem, I've been awesome about this too. We got to this point because of an unholy alliance between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats for political power and quite Republicans because their corporate donor base and they're afraid of endangering their reelection campaign funds. And at some point somebody like a Donald Trump had to say, enough of the stupidity.

We have to say, we've got to fix this. We have to have In what world, Raheem, does a sovereign nations say we don't have the right to actually secure our borders and actually ask to people coming why are you coming, where are you coming from, what is your intention of coming here? And are you actually going to be an addition to this country? Are you in the best interests of this country or where your entrants be detrimental? This is what sovereign nations that are responsible, that that

feel that is a moral obligation to their citizens. These are the things that they actually do. And I think that many in Washington, DC have been deeply immoral in dealing with this immigration problem. So what do you think is going to happen when they come back. How does this get resolved? I mean, the Democrats are offering what one point six billion the president wants five point seven? Will he take three? Will he take three and a half?

Will the Democrats even go that high? Will they not want to flex some obstinate Seoul As the new House is sworn in, I think that they are determined and have dug in on resistance. They do not want to give Donald Trump a win. And I know many others have said this and pointed out twenty thirteen. You know, almost every Democrat I think maybe every Democrat in the Senate voted for I think it was forty six billion

dollars and seven hundred miles offense. They just simply refuse to give Donald Trump a win and be This is where how far the Democratic Party has come in the last five years, where it has been almost entirely captured by the far radical left that doesn't want immigration reform, that doesn't want secure borders, they want open borders. And Democratic leadership actually has to swear fealty to these far left grassroots and donors if they actually want to stay

in power. So I think what's probably going to happen, Honestly, is. I think we might be at an impass, and I think we're still going to be fighting about this coming

into the twenty twenty election. And at that point we're gonna have a very clear, definitive difference between Donald Trump saying we have to have a order wall, we have to have security, and you're gonna have somebody far left that's going to be the Democratic presidential nominee saying we want open borders, we want to abolish ice, And at that point, the American people have to decide are we going to get serious about this issue or not, Because

at some point there's a train coming down the tracks called reality. And when you look at our broken immigration system, you look at our broken welfare system, all of these things. At some point we keep on thinking it's not going to hit us. It's going to hit us. And I'm not really entirely sure what's going to happen to this country unless we make some hard decisions right now. And

it's not really rocket science Raheem. Secure our borders. We're not going to allow everybody in, and at the same time, we're not going to have an open welfare system in which those that are coming across the borders illegally are tapping into this because we saw polls just recently in which over sixty percent of non citizens, half of which came here illegally, are on some form of welfare. This is unsustainable much longer, it is absolutely well, what a

moment to end that sentence. There, You are perfectly on time. Ned Ryan, the founder and CEO of American Majority. Check out his work Google American Majority. That's Ned Ryan. All right, the phone lines are open. We're going to roll through calls, so be on the triggers. Eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five more of your calls after this break. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm rheamcasam here in the Freedom Hut.

Coming back to you guys on the phone lines now. Eight four four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. Want to start with Cynthia in Florida. Cynthia, are you with us? Hi regime? Hey Cynthia? What's on your mind? I just wouldn't say thank you so much for you in my call. I listened to the show quite often. I'm a big fan of Bucks and a big fan of yours and I love listening to the show. In your guest hosting, you bring a

really cool perspective on current events. So I just want to call in and thank you guys for all y'all deeper the movement. Well, I appreciate that very much. Sodi, what have you made of the last forty eight hours in media land that we've been discussing on the show so far, the media has just been ridiculously fake news, worse than they usually are the last forty eight hours with the whole Trump visiting the troops, it's just ridiculous like they they're still keeping it up even though they're

exposed time and time again. I don't know how they think that people are buying this anymore. It doesn't look like people are buying it. Cynthia, thank you very much for the call and for the compliments. I'll pass your best along to the great Buck Sexton as well. Let's let's keep on rolling with calls. Let's go to Paul in Mississippi Online four. Paul, good good evening. Hey, Hi, I enjoy your program. I enjoyed the Box program and wish your merry lady Christmas and a happy New Years.

Absolutely Merry Christmas to you too, Go right ahead, Okay. One thing I want to say about him signing that kep for the soldiers. He is the commander in chief of the military. If he wants to sign a cap, he should there. But he'd be able to without kidding, all the meeting and all the Democrats and more, they were really desperate, they would They were desperate, Paul, weren't they that he brought those caps and therefore there was

some kind of political campaign governmental military violation. But it turned out, as the pool reporters said, these were caps that belonged to the soldiers, So why shouldn't they have them signed if they want them signed? Sure? You know, you know I love our president and if I would take a bullet, so to him taking a bullet ifnique, Well, Paul,

so what does this say to you? It's it's Christmas, right, It's supposed to be the the you know, a season, a time where we are jolly but but overtly going to great lengths to be nicer to each other and politter to each other. And the media hits the president with this over the last forty eight hours. I mean, I know, Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing. But I thought at least at Christmas they would take the foot off the fake news accelerator. Yeah, that's good. It's

deeply disappointing. But thank you for your cole Pole in Mississippi. Let's go to Julie in Tennessee on line to Julie. Good evening, Good evening, raheem pleasure to talk to you. Um, I'm gonna get right into this whole um Muslims of America issue that you're the nation of Islam. Yeah, yes, well we have. What it is is, here's the Muslims of America, which is actually a front group for the Jamat al Fukra, who is connected to the Saik gilani Ye, who is connected to the murder of Daniel Pearl. No,

you know your stuff? Huh, you know your stuff? Well, they're here near the TVA. They have a camp, the Tennessee Valley Authority Power Camp. You know, do our near our power plant and right behind Fort Campbell. What is that one called? Did you? By the way, did you ever read my book Julie called No go Zones? No, I have not. I've been wanting to so last year I wrote that and there's an entire chapter on jamasal Fugra and the Muslims for America camps which are in

the United States. Tell us a little bit more about your experience with that. Well, we hunt, which you need to go deer hunting with your friends, but we hunt up in that area near the Cumberland City and we've heard automatic gunfire coming from down in that area where they have their camp. We also had have crossed paths with them in the Cumberland City area and they do not like they do not like seeing a woman dressed

to hunt, I can tell you. And the the situation is when nine to eleven happened, they first of all, they guard their camp with you know what weapons, you know that they are. They are very heavily guarded on there. Yep. Absolutely So we've never driven by there because it's just probably not prudent. But when we've had to cross paths with them outside of that area, they just there. We don't,

we don't speak to them. It's very uncomfortable. But because they've not done anything illegal per se, nothing can be done. And um, but the location of this camp being about seven miles right along the power lines from the TVA plant and I used to have I know where the camps located, but when you look at the where the camp is located right behind Fort Campbell as well, it's

kind of curious. Well listen, I'm in prey with your with your working knowledge on the matter, and obviously depressed that you've got one of these camps right near you. For those of you who are skeptical about what Julia is saying, just just go away and look at it yourselves. Jamatal Fukra f u q r A. And remember that it was only in September of this year that a similar such compound in I think it was in New

Mexico was was raided. So so just to a lot of people out there, I know, Julie, these things can seem outrageous and out there, but the evidence is compiled, the FBI is is well aware of it, and there are plenty of there's plenty of evidence behind behind what this group Jamatal Fukra is otherwise known as Muslims for America.

Um So, Julia, I thank you for that call. It's it's very actually important to note, because we were talking about the Nation of Islam stuff, that there are actually more sort of militant groups than the Nation of Islam out there, and they are out there in the United States as well. And for those of you that didn't guess it, I wrote a book about a lot of this last year. It's called No Go Zones, where I specifically intended to prove, because I've seen it firsthand in

Europe that no go areas are a thing. And I think I proved it so well that even CNN and MSNBC had me on their programs to discuss my findings. So if you are, if you're in the market for some reading material, feel free to pick up No Go Zones. We're going to go to a quick break now, but I want us many of you on the lines as possible. I love these calls. Today eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred two eight to five quick Break will be joined in a moment by doctor

John Eastman from the Claremont Institute. He's gone an interesting story to tell you, guys, but for now we're going to pay some bills. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. Amraheim Kasan filling in for Buck today. I think this is my third or fourth time doing this something like that. I feel like we're making like I'm making connection with you guys. Some great calls today. I really appreciate them. Lines are open eight four four nine hundred buc K

eight four four nine hundred eight to five. I want to hear from as many of you as possible. How have two hours nearly gone of this show? Already doesn't feel like it, but those are the best shows, quick pace and lots of content. Line three, I think we have Charlie from Boston on the line of something to say, Charlie, you with us. I'm right here, Hey, how are you

doing this evening? I'm doing great? Raheem. I've got an idea for President Trump, go ahead, what to do with all these immigrants that the Democrats insist on allowing in illegally. I think President Trump should provide them all free transportation directly to the precincts and counties where are these rich Democrats live in their gated communities, and drop them right off. Broward County comes to mind, Palm Beach County, Nassau County

where Hillary lives. Uh um, you know, San Francisco, Calorama, Ester County in New York, Calorama neighborhood in Washington, DC. You know, just you know, it's letting them all come to the to the poor and working class communities and flooding them into those communities. Let these democrats that are so unwilling to secure the border, let them put them up.

It's a very um it's a very interesting point about you know, I don't think anybody's under the misconception that you are going to stop every single illegal crossing into the United States, because some are not just over the borders, some are overstayers, some are on ya different methods of transportation. So what do you do when people do either qualify for some level of refugee status or asylum status or

amnesty or whatever it is. At the moment you're saying, Charlie that the how these housing developments or the houses that they're put in, the places that they're put in, tend to be quite far removed from the political and cultural elite. And there's obviously a major reason for that.

But it's it's interesting because you look at somewhere like London, for instance, now, which has experienced a massive amount of both legal and illegal immigration over the last decade or so, and you've got a situation there now where politicians, leading

cabinet members are being attacked on the street. Now it's not always by migrants, some of it is homegrown criminality too, but there can be no doubting that there is a dovetailing of high levels of immigration to areas and increases in crime, drug crime, violent crime, burglary, carjackings, knife things, and of course terrorist attacks too. In fact, I was

reading about this just this morning, Charlie. The Germans have finally acknowledge something that I was warning for so very long that along with this massive immigration that came into Europe in twenty fifteen, there has been massive rises in crime across those neighborhoods. And you're saying, let it go to the Democrat counties. Absolutely well, are we talking about the people that are here illegally? Yeah, nothing to say about and no qualms about legal immigration whatsoever. In a

matter of fact, I'm frankly I'm a social liberal. But the people that are that are coming here illegally that the Democrats insist I'm allowing in just blossom right into Westchester County. It's it's a great idea. I hope President Trump is listening. Charlie from Boston, there with some ideas on what to do with the what to do with the hordes of illegal immigrants? Did I sorry, did I just dehumanize them by saying hordes? Is that? Is that

not allowed now? And beside too insensitive there? I think it's a I think it's a very good point, Thank you, mister President. I like that. By the way, mister producer, I encourage that anytime you just want to want to throw something at me, keep me on my toes, happy, happy to have it happen. So we've talked so far today about the fake news, We've talked about the gosh, we've talked about the government shut down, so many other things.

I really commend that story to you guys from Alana Goodman over at the Washington Examiner, by the way, because I bet you if the Nation of Islam is able to get four hundred thousand, nearly four hundred thousand dollars out of the Bureau for Prisons, than many other unpalaced, shall we say, groups will also be in that list.

And actually we discussed the story last night and I suggested to her that she might go back and foyer the Prisons Bureau and say, right, I want a full list of everyone that you guys are good money to, but as as you know, they seem to tread the contracts after a certain amount of time, which is utterly bizarre to me. I wanted to bring you as well an interview with doctor John Eastman, but we've had a little bit of trouble getting ahold of him. On his end.

He's a he's a professor at the Claremont Institute, and I guess, I guess cards on the table. I'm also a fellow at the Claremont Institute. Is a fantastic organization, but they are filing a complaint in the FED. Well, to have filed a complaint in the Federal District Court on November the twenty eighth, on behalf of the Pasadena Republican Club because in twenty seventeen, the Pasadena Republican Club

contracted with the Western Justice Center for the rental. I'm just reading here from there from an article in the Pasadena Independent from the rental of the Maxwell House in Pasadena to hold an event at which doctor John Eastman was to be a speaker. Now, this happens a lot, and I know you guys out there have these same problems, and in the next hour, I'm going to bring you an interview with a young lady who's had similar problems

with political discrimination. It's a story that was breaking over the course of today. You may have seen it on Twitter, but I will spay you the details now. Just there's

a little bit of a teaser for you. So, doctor John Eastman was going to be the speaker, and less than two hours before the event, the executive director of the Western Justice Center, who was a retired LA Superior Court Judge Judith Churlin, sent an email to the president of the Pasadena Republican Club cancel the event two hours before. Now they've done events at this venue previously. I've I understand,

but Judge Churlin, retired. Judge Churlin, I should say, said that doctor Eastman, a very well renowned professor by the way, was unacceptable as a speaker because of his leadership position in a faith based organization that promotes traditional marriage. It's the National Organization for Marriage and Judge Cherlin retired. Judge Churlin disagreed with doctor Eastman and his political and religious views, and so the Western Justice Center banned the Pasadena Republican

Club from holding its event. That's the allegation made in this new complaint on political and religious discrimination by the Claremont Institute. There are other groups, other political groups that still meet at the Western Justice Center. So this was this particular problem they had with the National Organization for

Marriage and doctor John Eastman. Now you see it happening in real life in person in places like that, you obviously see it happening on social media too, mass bannings, blockings. I can't, for instance, promote very much on my Facebook page anymore. They don't let me just block things all the time Patreon, which is a donor platform which I rely on for a significant part of my income. In case you don't know, I do a daily Raheem rant which works out at about sixteen cents a rant. On

there they're kicking conservatives off on mass. So I really wanted to bring you the story from doctor John Eastman himself, but unfortunately weren't able to get hold of him. So I thought I'd walked you through it anyway, and I hope I did the story justice there. But it's good that institutions like Claremont exist and take the fight back to the political left on this right. This is the Buck Sexton Show, Ambrahem Gassan. We're going to go to a quick break now. When we come back, more great

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My name is Raheem because Sam filling in for Buck Sexton today, broadcasting live from the Freedom Hut here in Washington, DC. I want to take as many of your guys calls over the last How is it the last hour? Already? I could just do this all day. I love the sound of my own voice. The phone number here is eight four four nine hundred Buck, eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. You do not have to agree with me, or agree with Buck, or agree with

each other, or even agree with yourself. That's what political discourse is all about, and we want to have it here on the Buck Sexton Show. I've got a good friend of mine on the line. Terry Shilling is the executive director of the American Principles Project. Terry joining us to discuss what I think is an interesting story in the realms of social conservatism and from the pro life movements perspective. Terry, good evening, Hey, thanks so much for

having me her here. Thank you, thank you for taking time out of your evening to join us here. It's a story which I hope you can help me understand a little bit more, because, as you probably know, Terry in on my side of the pond in the United Kingdom. These stories are you know, we what's we said about abortion is you know, the science is settled. We we just forget about it now. We just leave the debate

where it is and nothing ever changes. But Ohio, I believe is changing or at least trying to change several things regarding their abortion laws. Terry, could you tell us elucidate upon this for us, Yeah, of course, And I just want to say that, you know, I think the reason that the political ramifications of abortion are settled in Great Britain and they're not here is primarily be because of how you guys answered that question, which was through

the democratic process. Here in America, we had literally five, I'm sorry, seven justices in black robes determined the abortion laws for the entire country back in nineteen seventy three, and so they kind they try to remove it from the democratic process and say this is settled for everyone, and to the Americans who are like, you know, we're

still having this fight today. And what we've seen over the last forty years going on fifty almost actually is rapid advances in our advancements in technology, especially when it comes to healthcare, and we're seeing the faces of these unborn babies, were seeing their heartbeats, we know when they have fingernails. I mean, we've just gotten so much more information since nineteen seventy three went abortion we legalized across the country here and the states are now starting to

recognize that through our laws. And in Ohio they just passed a fetal heartbeat bill which basically bands abortion after the point on which a fetal heartbeat can be detected. The reason that's important is because it's all an argument about the personhood of the child, which is what Roe contested. Roe said that the unborn child was not a person and it was not due to rights and um, and that's where the left has refused to want to go.

And so the right now, especially in Ohio, is they're trying to ban abortion at the point in which there can be a fetal heartbeat detective because they say that's when personhood begins. So what's I understand that this is being challenged at several levels. There there are two different bills.

You don't have to explain this one to me. Yeah, So back earlier this year, I think it was just in November, the state legislature of Ohio passed a fetal heartbeat band on abortion and sent it to the Governor's desk, and Governor Kasik actually zetoed that film and so today they had two votes in the state legislature in Ohio UH to override the governor's veto UM, and they managed to override the governor's veto in the House, but on it UH they actually got uh shut down. They lost

by one vote. And it was one guy state Senator of Bill Beagle who flipped who was with the pro life side before the the the overturn happen UM, and it was just yeah, it was kind of a betrayal on his part. So what what actually is changing in Ohio? Uh? Nothing at the moment. I mean, they've they've they've done some more restrictions on abortion. Uh. They've they've banned uh dne abortions, which is a really gruesome UH procedure where it's it's mostly for late term abortions where they dismember.

That's what the D stands for, is they dismembered the child piece by piece and pull it out. And so Ohio banned that procedure and Governor caseg veto the Heartbeat bill. Well, so the Governor Casey to my understanding of this, says that you know, this isn't going to be held up by a Supreme Court if there's a Supreme Court challenge to this anyway. So I'm just here trying to save ohioan's money. I mean, do you buy that saving them money?

I mean no. I think Look, I think that when you're a legislator, you have a different job to do than a justice, and that that job is to legislate according to what you believe the Constitution should do. And it's not our role as legislators or as governors to determine what's going to be upheld constitutional or und constitutional by the Court. This is what the people sent their state representatives to uh Columbus to do, was to vote for these types of legislation. Um, they don't really care

about what the Supreme Court says right now. What they are wanting to do is tell the Supreme Court, tell the nation that Ohio is against abortion after the point in which a field heartbeat can be you know, detective, and then let you know, let John Roberts and and

let let those guys make their decision. But from my standpoint, I think that you know, as a citizen and as an American, I have to go with what my personal beliefs are and I can't try and make my decisions and my choices off of what everyone else is going to believe and say it do so, just just finally, Terry, before before we got to go to a break, do you think this moves anything outside of Ohio? Is any Is this going to aid any any other legislatives in

making similar changes or trying to make similar changes? Yeah, so I want to I want to be clear. This was actually the second time that Kasik had vetoed a heartbeat bill. He had done it before with the same justification that this would be overturned at the Supreme Court. Look, I think that everything across the entire country is changing on this issue. I think that we now have a slightly pro life majority of the Supreme Court. I'd like

to get it to six or seven. But I think that things across the country are changing on this Americans are pro life. Donald Trump ran as a pro life president and he won, and I think it had a lot to do with his deputi Hillary. Well, that's Terry Shilling, the executive director of the American Principles Project. Terry, just tell tell the audience where they can find out more about your work. Oh yeah, it's American Principles Project dot com.

Or APPFDC dot org. We fight on the right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. If it's in the constitution, we're probably working on the issue. And and just for my amusement, tell them your Twitter handle, it's Pizza Politico. I come from a long line of a pizza restaurant tours, and so my two passions in life are pizza and politics. Terry, I've seen you. You You come from a long line of pizza eats. Is we Terry Shirley, thank you so much

for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show. We're gonna go to a quick break now, but I want to get to you guys on the lines as well. One eight four four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two eight to five quick break now, then more of your calls, more interviews. We're gonna cram it all in. We'll be right back to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Rahem Kasam filling in for Buck Sexton today live

out of the Washington, DC Freedom Hut. I want to get to more callers in the next segments, so hang on the lines eight four four nine hundred buck eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. But at the last minute this evening before the show, or midway through the show. In fact, i'd like to I like to mix it up, keep myself on my toes. I decided to have on our next guest because of a story that's been breaking really over social media across today. I confess she's a friend of mine, so I want

to I want to caveat it with that. But it's also another one of those stories that plays into what we were discussing earlier on about conservatives being banned from life effectively, whether it's a Republican club being banned from hosting a speaker, whether it's on social media. Now, i'd like to introduce you to a former Fox News producer, Perdis Salah, Perdis, Are you on the line? Yes? Put us. I think you should talk us through what exactly has

been going on with you. This isn't just this hasn't just happened today. You've experienced this over some time, right, but but today the story really came out. I'm dodging around it because I want you to. I want you to lay it all out for us. Okay, thanks, Um. So, the past couple of days, I was looking for an apartment to rent in UM. I you know, I live in DC already. I've been living here for over two years.

But I wanted to downsize and get roommates to save to save money on rent, and I wanted to stay in the same area that I live in. And so I was you know, surfing through the web based credless zillo so and looking looking for a room in an apartment UM since yesterday when I started, I was rejected by two UM. But I was rejected by two places that I applied for, and one of them sent me back in email. The first one was yesterday over the phone, I was told that, UM, they wouldn't be accepting any

roommates who are either Trump supporters or fans at Fox News. UM. And of course I told him, you know, I told him that I worked there. So they were like, uh, no, way whatever. But then today, UM, I got the I received an email. I received it in writing, and UM it was. Their Their response was, well, thanks for applying, but you know or you're we we can't have someone thats for political views like you're they're really opposed to ours and we hate Fox by the way, UM, good

luck with your search. So yeah, I, UM, you know I posted a screenshot of the email. Of course I um, I wiped out like there, I've watched out their name. There's idea for the ad on you know, the ad that they had online. Um, but definitely something that I was experiencing lately, and not just with apartments. But this is with the housing has to come out. So I just I'll read, I'll read the I'll read the response that you got out for the for the audience here.

So you applied for this apartment and you've had this experience before and they responded, thank you for your interest, perdus. After perusing your various journalistic and social media posts, it's pretty clear your politics views okay, our diametry diametrically opposed to ours, and we hate Fox. Hopefully you will find a place where that will be a good fit. Now you've also said that you know you don't intend to sue or punish anybody or out them for not renting

you a room. That's obviously it's it's their house and they have, I suppose the right to be as bigoted as they want. But but somebody else, a mutual friend of ours, ezra levant Over at the Rebel Media pointed this out on Twitter earlier. He said, if if you were on the political left and this had happened to you, and you were on the political left, you'd be on CNN right now, the SPLC, the Southern Property Law Center, and the ADL would be suing in your name. The

landlord would be named in shame. Let's face it there. Their face would be out there, their phone number would be out there, their email address would be out there. They wouldn't have been blocked redacted from from the email that they sent. And you know, you would have a massive go fund me account with probably hundreds of thousands of dollars already in it, where you could probably buy

a house in Calorama, let alone worry about renting one. Now, I know you do have a go fund Me to help you out in this at the moment, and I'm pleased to say that over the last I think it's been up for like three hours and it's already raised seven hundred and five dollars out of the thousand dollars goal. But I mean, we are we playing Why do we play fair when they don't play fair? Why shouldn't we

out these people? Put us um? I mean a lot of people have said that, why you know, why are you They would do the same exact thing to you if you were progressive and you were saying and you're and you were saying, well, they're discriminating against me because of my the color of my skin. You know, I'm brown and I'm the child of Middle Eastern refugees. You know I could I uh, if that was my story.

I mean, if that was the story that I presented to them, then I would get just discriminated then I then you know, I would shoe them and get them in trouble or whatever. Um. But I mean that it always angers me when I see people do that on the West always, and it like it feels disingenuous. UM. I mean because it's because it's there, because because it's like fair game. So why you know, because it's there is then why not? But it still makes me annoyed.

I think that people should be able to um, people should be able to refuse service to other people. I mean this couple that this is these two guys who actually were like I mean the guy who who sent me this email. UM, they're like they're gay, So you know I wouldn't I UM, the same way that I think that they should be able to, um, refuse their rooming, their housing to people that they don't like. People should

be able to refuse service to you know, like anyone. Yeah, well you and you probably have to bake them a cake now, don't you to apologize for applying for a room in the in their house? That's I think that's the penalty. Purdus. I just wanted I wanted to bring that story to the audience because it's breaking over the course of the day. Tell the audience where they can, where they can catch up with you your work, how they can support you. Um. You can find me on Twitter at Taras Sellers p A R D E S

S E l e H. Purdis Is. She's being very humble. She's actually a bit of a Twitter celebrity with nearly I think fifty thousand followers now, So yeah, go and go and follow her support her work in any way. Cam Purdis, thanks for joining us here on the Buck Sexton Show and talking us through that. Um, thanks thanks for having me on absolutely right phone lines. Do you think that's right or wrong? Do you think she should

out them or not? Eight four four nine hundred b U c K eight four four nine hundred two eight two five. I also want to get to the other callers who I know are waiting on the line as well. Let's let's get to Quint from Springfield Online to Quint. You're there with me? How are you doing? I'm good?

How are you pretty good? Yeah? I used to work work at a correctional facility in the northeast here in a pretty liberal state, and uh, you know it was this is a good job and a good facility, great facility. They try to rehabuildate everybody, and uh, you know, and they've been you know, they did accommodate for all religions. Everyone could have their own you know, uh mass you know, Catholic, pass Muslim, Islamic or uh you know what what a Protestant, whatever,

Hippim might be have accommodate. But it became, uh, you know to a point where like like, you know, nothing against Ramai or I thing, but do it. They would bend over backwards for the Islamic Um traditions to the point where they started to kind of breach security protocol, you know, like we couldn't even touch their meals or anything, or you can look at them or things like that. So I kind of started to breach like security. Hey, Quint,

hang on the line. Don't go in where we've got We've got a hard break now, but hang on the line. I want to bring you back after the break and you can tell us more about this because I'm genuinely fascinated by it. This is the Buck Sexton Show. And if you want to have your say as well. Eight four four nine hundred two eight two five, I'm Rahem Kasam. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. Raheim Kasalm here filling in for Buck today out of

the Washington DC Freedom Hut. I'm hoping we still have Quint on the line from from Massachusetts. Quint, are you with us? Yes, sir, Hey, sorry about that earlier. We're up against the hard break, but I'm glad we I'm glad we kept you over. You were saying that where where you worked in the in the prison system, that Islam was treated with kid gloves. Is that right? Yes? Yes, yep, to the point where it's it almost like preached security

protocol and that kind of them. The separate critical thing was they had us two classes on not only the gangs and things like that and then their situations. But like the radical Islam and the radicalization you know, for terrorism through this prison system. And they harped on it. I mean they said, looked out for ana, keep an eye on it. And we didn't. You know, it wasn't

too prevalent or anything. But I mean this area, I think, Dave, some of the some of the people involved in nine to eleven came through here through the area is lived then, you know, in this in the northeast here, and so you know, I would I pay attention. And he was when they made he was uh a Muslim or practice Islam, and the he was kind of a challenging. He made to challenge me ridicular, and you know I would, I

would treat him with respect and everything. But when he was released lower security, he left behind some shoes that had Islam Arabic writing on it, and I noticed the word Ghat on it. I don't know if I don't know how exactly what it's said or anything like that.

I said, okay, you know, it was like left it as a message, you know, and I don't know exactly what it said, but I reported it and I turned them in and you know, you know, I asked like a week later, said, Hey, what happened today, And they said, oh, we lost the shoes. You know, the guys all so were you guys to tell them me to you know, keep an eye on this stuff. Yeah, they kind of like maybe the guy wasn't it wasn't a serious thing or anything, but you know, they kind of like definitely,

like you said that, you know, with metence. You know, they're treating them with you know, definitely wouldn't really deal with the situation even though they were aware of it. You know, it's very interesting because you seem to be experiencing now in the United States something that that we went through in the United Kingdom about a decade ago.

With this, we have had typically a massive Muslim population way way out stripping the number of Muslims in in in you know, why the society is a percentage of the population m in the prison system in the United Kingdom. And of course, uh, there was a there was a report into this a couple of years ago where they found that actually a massive, statistically high incidents of criminal non Muslims were converting to Islam in the prison system

as well. And this links back to the story we were discussing with our friend Alana Goodman at the Washington Examiner earlier. The Chaplains, the Muslim Chaplains are given far more leeway than any other religion. But also, I want to quote for you here. I just pulled it up this Chief Inspector of Prisons in the United Kingdom, Dame Ann Owens. She said that people are converting to Islam in prisons in the United Kingdom because they seek support

and protection in a group with a powerful identity. They perceive material advantages of identifying as Muslim in prison, including material benefits only available to Muslims, such as more time out of their cell and better food during Ramadan if they become Muslim? Is that something Quinn that you experienced? Oh, write on the money. These guys, they would they didn't care about the religion at all, but it would claim it and it'd get the extra meals. And it's still

asked for extra meals, you know what I mean. They really did have no respect through religion and ore, and they would accommodate them. You know what. We knew it. We knew they were abusing it. And it was just as it's a it's you know, turning the other cheek sting with the Boston Parmers, you know, the Psarchaia brothers. They you know, these guys got a free pass, a free pass. It's extraordinary stuff and I think requires a

lot more investigation. I wish, I wish there were real, so many real news agencies out there that they would get onto it. But certainly there should be enough on our side of that debate that more of this information comes to light. As I said to an earlier caller, quint I tried to do my part in investigating what was going on with artical Islam in Europe and the United States in my book last year, No go Zones Um. But but there is so much more than that just

a single book can deal with. And and you know, it's it's a brutal task because of course, when you when you try and figure out what's going on, you're labeled an islamophobe and a hater and a racist and a xenophobe and all that kind of stuff. And it's really quite extraordinary when you think about it, because effectively, what the critics are saying then is the terrorism is inextricably Islamic. Right. They're saying to you that those two

things are inseparable. That they're inseparable, and that by criticizing one, you are necessarily criticizing the other, and so on and so forth. Look, I came from a Muslim family. I haven't been the Muslim for about well over ten years now, but I know what goes on in that faith. I know what goes on in those mosques, I know what

goes on in civil society within Muslim organizations. For the most part, Muslims who emigrate into the Western world don't want to be a part of anything fundamentalist or radical, but they are not helped by these leftists, liberals and progressives who treat radical Islam with kid gloves. Quinn, give, yeah, they're hypocrites. Sharia a lot, you know, the deuce little

women and things like that. And then and then on the other hand, they say, oh, that's okay, you know, that's okay, And they fought this hard for women's rights and things like that, and then they want to turn a you know, turn a cheek to these guys. You know, all right, absolutely all right, Quinn, that's a great call. Thank you so much for it. Here on the Buck Sexton Show, the phone number here is eight four four nine hundred Buck eight four four nine hundred two eight

two five. I think I think it's break time for us, and then we'll be right back. We've got I'm going to bring you some some update on Brexit. I know a lot of you are interested in what's going on with Brexit. Brexit and the election of President Trump in twenty sixteen were inextricably linked, as you know, the rebellion, the fight back between two sovereign peoples against I suppose what you would call the rise of the bureaucratic or

administrative state. My friend Ben Harris Quinney, he's the chairman of the oldest conservative think tank in the United Kingdom. He's staying up very late in the UK. I think it's about one forty five in the morning, so he can join us on the show in just a moment. So quick break and we'll be right back. Welcome back. Final moments here are the Buck Sexton Show. Am ra him Becauseanthaning in for Bucks Sexton from the Freedom Hut here in Washington, d C. Headline jumped out at me

over the break. Transgender inmate gets rare transfer to female prison. Just want to read this to here a transgender woman serving a ten year sentence in Illinois for burglary has been moved from a men's to a women's prison in what is a rare accommodation by state prison authorities. Her

lawyers announced Thursday. Her lawyers announced Thursday. Apparently Dion Hampton, otherwise known as Strawberry twenty seven, was moved after a year long legal battle and resistance from the Illinois Department of Corrections. Well, it's going to work out. Well, all right, we are in the final stages here today. I get sad every time it's it's at the end of the show. I want to take a quick call from Patrick in New York State Online one, then jump over to Ben

Harris Quinny. Patrick you with us, Hello, Hey Patrick, how's it going good? How are you doing tonight? Yeah? Good? Go right ahead, Well with the last color that you had um seeing that he got duped or felt duped by President Trump. Me personally, I'm not a Trump fan whatsoever. However, I do see that he was trying to make a joke, and I think that, you know, people are taking everything way too seriously these days. I think you're right too

seriously and too literally as well. Right, yeah, exactly. I mean you you know, I follow I watch all the different um news channels, the mainstream. I watched the Right, the last everything, just to see what everybody's saying. And it seems that everybody takes every single thing just way too seriously and then they throw it. I mean just just say, they try to make it the worst case scenario possible. We're all in the mood for outrage all the time. Patrick, exactly. Well, I'm glad you're not. I'm

glad you are more level headed. I try and stay the same way. Patrick in New York State, Thank you so much for the call here on the Buck Sexton Show. I want to pivot now to my friend Baron Ben Harris Quinney, the chairman of the oldest and sadly probably the only conservative thing tank in the United Kingdom. Ben, good evening, good morning for you. I guess well, no, it's it's it's the early hours. I consider at night

time still, so it's good to be with you. No, it's what it's one forty five in the morning, is it not. Well, technically, you're right. I am being literal. I am being literal about it. Ben. I wanted to have you on because a lot of a lot of I know a lot of our friends in the United States, they often ask me. In fact, it's the first question anyone ever asks me is what's going on with Brexit? And it's become such a painful thing to have to answer.

So instead of answering that question myself, I'm going to throw it over to you. What is going on with Britain leaving the European Union? I thought I thought we were out. What happened? What's happening? Well, it's fair to say that very few people in the United Kingdom understand what is going on with so I hope you're one of them. I don't think that. Well, it sort of is the author and things have progressed in the last

few weeks. We've gone from a position where there could have been a number of potential deals to a situation where it is either May's proposal, which is not leaving the European Union. That's the Prime Minister's proposal, yeah, or what is termed a no deal scenario where all ties are automatically severed on our exit date March twenty ninth, and we fall out under World Trade Organization rules and have to remake all of our relationships with the world and the EU from there, and that I just I

just most Brexiteers. Yeah, I just want to I just want to reset on that for people who don't quite understand what the deal means. So leaving, contrary to what you might think, when Britain voted to leave the European Union on June twenty, twenty sixteen, we didn't actually then leave. We enacted something called Article fifty, which is a part

of our treaty with the European Union. That is a mechanism by which a nation is supposed to be able to leave, and it's effectively a two year long leaving process. And I can already I can hear the eyes rolling in the collective heads of Americans listening to this. But it sort of makes sense because there are so many things are so intertwined, whether it's scientific research or passporting, financial services, regulatory staff, judicial staff. It sort of makes

sense that you do that. But Ben, as you were saying, we haven't really got anywhere with the post Article fifty negotiations, but we do leave nevertheless on March to twenty ninth next year. Well that's the crucial thing, and that's what our senior patron and senior Member of Parliament, John Redwood ensured was on the legislation that the date is fixed,

that March twenty ninth bass fixed. We of course have a prime minister that supported Remain, we have a cabinet a government that largely supported Remain, and we have a Parliament that is largely also made up of Remained supporters. So they have been the ones that have been handling the Article fifty process, the two year process that you mentioned, and of course they've decided amongst themselves that it would be a good thing for us to more or less

continue to be a member of the European Union. What a few backbench MPs and other campaigners like Nigel Farage outside of Parliament has said is that is not the Brexit we voted for. And so when that March twenty ninth deadline comes up, it's game over. If you haven't managed to come up with a deal that satisfies the British public, then we simply automatically leave under this no deal scenario. And as I say, that is now the best case scenario for those who support Brexit, and that's

what we are now all preparing for. And American listeners. But it's actually very good news when it comes to doing a trade deal with the United States because it leaves the door wide open with absolutely no restrictions, whereas what the deal May is proposing would mean that we probably couldn't sign the kind of deal that Donald Trump is proposing. Yeah, and that's actually a big deal. It's not an insignificant amount of money we're talking about here.

With the trade that takes place between the United Kingdom and the United States. This would be a big boon to President Trump, and it would be a massive shot in the arm for a British economy that needs a strategic financial alliances when leaving. Although the fastest shrinking or the slowest growing trading blog in the world still a big trading blog, so I can't go ahead. The no deal scenario is basically hitting the reset button and all of our trade deals throughout the world, which is going

to mean choppy waters. But it also means a fantastic opportunity. And we are one of the leading trade partners with the United States. But I think the point is actually the potential that we have to become each other's pre eminent trading partners. And for that current multi billion dollar trade relationship to turn into a multi trillion dollar trade relationship over the next decade. And I think that is

absolutely possible. And we're very fortunate to have a president in Donald Trump that wants to put us to the front of the queue rather than as Barack Obama said, to the back. Yeah, that was that was an extraordinary moment.

For those of you who don't remember, President Obama flew to London and threatened the United Kingdom that they must that we must vote to stay in the European Union because one of the things that would happen if we didn't was we wouldn't have preferential treatment for a trade deal with the United States. And to their credit, actually

it wasn't just Donald Trump. Throughout the twenty fifteen sixteen primaries and the campaigns over here in the US, I think Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and some other the other Republican candidate said well, well, well that's not right. You know, we share a bond with the United Kingdom and we want to continue being friends and allies and so on and so forth. And they came out and said, you know, Obama's pontifications on this are not relevant. He will not be president in at a time when that

will be a thing that needs negotiating. So that's just another reason I am very happy that we don't have a Democrat in the White House at the moment because I think that would have been quite quite bad for Brexit. And you know the Brexit spirit were the original Brexit was Ben, it was in seventeen seventy six. Well, you could argue that there was one before that when we left the Catholic Church and formed the Church of England.

But nonetheless, I think the sad thing is, yeah, we don't like that we in the United are not taking advantage of the friendship that Donald Trump has offered us. Yeah, I think we've given him the from from a from a UK government point of view, we've really given him the cold shoulder. Ben, that's the music, so we've got to leave it there, unfortunately. But that's Ben Harris Quinney, the chairman of the Bow Group. You can find them at Bow Group Bowgroup dot org. And that's it. That's

the show. I've been Raheem gasam filling in here for Buck Sexton, Holland Hill. We'll be here tomorrow if you want to follow me, find me on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube at Raheem Ghassam. This has been the Buck Sexton Show Live from the Freedom Heart. I hope I get to speak to you again soon