Frank Pavone - The Buck Sexton Show

I've been very outspoken against the Democrat Party. Some church leaders are really in tight with the Democrats, and they just didn't want a priest saying the kind of things I've been saying over the years. They've actually been trying to limit my work for the last twenty years, and it's been one excuse after another. You know, you try to you try to follow what they're asking you to do,

and then they're always changing the goalposts. Basically. Then in the end of it, at the end of last year, some of these church leaders that oppose our were convinced Poke Francis. They actually dismissed me from the priesthood, and many even cardinals within the church are like outrage at this. They're saying, you know, we do this for priests that have committed terrible crimes, not for somebody who you know, we don't like his message, and nothing in the message

was contrary to Catholic faith. They just don't like the politics.

but you know, they used the usual lines of attack. Oh, we got to investigate your finance as well, whether it was the audits that we get every year from independent auditors or even the Vatican who took a look at our finances. They all said everything was in order. So they couldn't find anything along those lines. So then they kept saying, oh, you're not being obedient, you know, to

your bishop, and well, you know I have been. And the fact of the matter is that, you know, for the longest time the bishop I was under said that I didn't have any assignment. Now I had my full time role with priests for life, like I still do. So I had work that I was doing, but he said, oh, you don't have an assignment. So you can't have it both ways. You can't say, well, you didn't obey your bishop. In the meantime, the bishop is not telling you anything

that you need to do. So the whole thing is ridiculous. But the good news is I'm able to continue this pro life work and we're making great progress.

We're doing prayer calls for election volunteers across the country. They get on the phone and they asked me to lead them in the rosary. The feast of the Easter comes along, and they asked me to gig. We're going to get the election volunteers on the phone while Easter draws near, draw give us some reflections about Easter and that you know how that inspires our work to make a better nation. And I would do that. And I said, I'm doing priestly thing, I'm leading prayer. What in the

world is the problem? And the problem really, of course, is that they have again it emphasized, this is just a handful. This is a minority of church leaders that have had a problem with with my work. But that was it. They said, oh no, no, you can't be associated with the Trump campaign. So, you know, I said to the campaign, hey, listen, I you know I want to I'm going to continue helping the campaign. I also want to be a faithful priest. I can't have an

official title on this board. And so they were very very cooperative, of course, very very gracious and understanding about it. And then the Vatican was very very happy, you know that I no longer had an official role with the campaign, But then they were mad at me again a few months later. Why because I continued to speak out in favor of President Trump and his policies. So it's like I said to them, a why can't you be honest from the beginning. It's not about having an official title

or anything about candid law. You don't like the politics. And that's the most sense that I can make out of it.

But put that aside for a second, doesn't matter for my question, just just you know, being honest with everybody out there. How is it that there seems to be an allegiance between the Catholic hierarchy politically and the ideology of the Democrat party, which is the party of uh celebrating abortion for all nine months of a pregnancy. UH, the party of you know, transgender surgery not just for

adults but for children. The party that is even more you know, strongly attached to UH, gay marriage and the l g B, t q I A plus issues of the day. How is the Catholic Church aligned with all of that?

to do in the social services arena. And I think that some of the dynamic here is that these bishops don't want to offend their friends or alienate their benefactors by bringing up, you know, emphasizing too much the abortion issue, because you know, that's the arena obviously where I was being critical of of them, you know, by name and administrations obviously, like the Obama and and and now Biden administrations.

So I think some of it is that, you know, we don't want to have our friend, you'll, maybe they're not going to help us with these social programs anymore if we if we embarrass them over the abortion issue. And you know, aside from that, I mean, I I don't know. I can't imagine that these these these bishops are completely ignorant of the way that the party has aligned itself, uh, not just contrary, but in a direct assault on the things we believe in terms of life,

religious freedom, human sexuality, the family. I mean, these teachings are are completely emphathetical.

be of equal importance? I mean, economic issues are important, but you know you can't boil down you know, what should be the minimum wage, for example, or or what trade agreement should we support and put that on the same level of should we be able to kill a baby? And yet their voter guides leave the voters with the impression that it's just an arithmetic calculation. Let me see how many issues this this candidate lines up with about the Catholic faith and how many or she doesn't. It's

not arithmetic, it's geometric. In other words, the right to life is the foundation of every issue. Why is an issue an issue at all if it doesn't impact human life and you know we serve the poor? Why because they have a right to life. Unemployment is important issue because because there's a right to life. Stopping terrorism is important. Economic issues are important why because they impact human life, so that life is the foundation. You get that wrong and the whole structure will collapse.

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k Okay, Frank, So, I'm sorry, I gotta ask. Also, the Pope weighs in on climate change sometimes, like what is he doing? We've got we've got social degradation across the country, We've got the communist left running amok. Here did just with all the degeneracy around sexual issues and life and marriage, destroying marriage, telling women to be radical feminist blue haired wackos who are gonna be miserable in life, and that that they should be men, they can become men.

And the Pope is talking about climate change.

And apparently this one's got his own ideas. I get complaints every single day about you know, things the Pope has said or done, or appointments that he's made, you know, to different Vatican offices from people who are pro abortion, pro LGBTQ. I mean, it's just it's the good thing is this. Look, we know that the faith, whether we're talking about the Catholic faith or the Christian faith more broadly, is not a matter of secrecy. You know, it has

been open wide. God has revealed to the whole world what his word says. Everybody's got the access to the Bible, you know, the Catechism. You're a Catholic. There's no teaching that the Pope or the bishops have that the rest

of us don't have. And it's understandable and it's clear so at certain times in history, if somebody's pastor if somebody's bishop, or even if a pope starts saying and doing things that contradict what the Church has always taught that the saving factor here is that the faithful are able to discern that difference overall, I mean under certain individuals will be confused, of course, especially if they're not tied into the church, and that's where the damage gets done.

But we sometimes have to pick up the slack, the people in the pews, the laity, the parents teaching their children, folks that are, you know, spreading the word on social media or whichever way they can spread it. We've got to sometimes pick up the flack, the slack and get the true faith out there. And I think we're in we're in one of those phases of history right now.

a father of a family. Okay, So, but what people miss about that story is why he was in the death camp in the first place, and that was because as a priest, he was broadcasting and publishing from his monastery against the Nazi Party for its anti life, anti freedom positions. And now they punish priests wh or doing that. Meanwhile, they canonize this guy, and it's like we're forgetting a big part of the story. And it's a lesson to

the American church about courage. Are you going to connect the dots for people and say to them, Okay, if God's word says this, and if this is right and this is wrong, are we then going to going to apply it to our politics and speak out the way that we should.

at least through church channels. He said, oh, this has got to go. And you guys have to be able to speak your mind. And shortly after he took office, he issued in executive order, which by the way, is still in effect, it has not been revoked, which says, hey, we're not going to enforce this Johnson Amendment. Churches should be able to speak the way they want.

not aware of this? Because I'll tell you, every time I go to church and I'm thinking back the last few years, whenever the homily turns even the least bit political, I'm like, oh great, I've got another communist and a Roman collar up there. Every time, you know, like a Nancy support Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden loving priest up at the end, I'm like, you mean, you mean the politicians who are the massive abortionists, those ones like I don't get it, Frank, explain help.

bad it is, here's what will happen. They'll say, well, you know, but we have to be and they understand rightly, so their role as clergy to be reconcilers, peacemakers. Let's try to reach out. Let's Jesus eating, He's sitting down to eat with the sinners. Yet it's like, okay, but they take that too far in the sense that they they they they snuff out their own ability to you know, stand up. Also like Jesus the prophet, you know, saying

repent of of of your sins. So is they go too far in the in the conciliatory mode, knowing what the problems are, and yet thinking somehow, I think very naively that we're in an era now in America where hey, you know, if we just kind of you know, reach across the aisle. These are really good people. We all want the same thing, and and and let's see if we can to bring them over to see things our way.

That's not where we are right now. As you well know, as much of our audience knows well, these people are not interested. First of all, they're not out for the same thing. They're out to destroy America, destroy the church, their enemies. They made themselves our enemies, and there's only one way. It's a lot of these clergy, they'll say Oh, well, you know, we need civility and politics. We need to get back to normal. There's too much drama, there's too

much vitriol, there's too much division. And my message to them, and what they don't realize is this, the only way back to normalcy in America is victory. To defeat these these communists, these Marxists that have taken over the Democrat Party.

Name the evil and defeat the evil. That's the only way back to normal, say, because they're not going to let us get back to normal, as you're as you're pointing out, they want to destroy the church, they want to destroy the dignity of life, they want to destroy the family, and they want to destroy America.

You start to say like you know, and they'll oh, and you know, Donald Trump is so Awful'm like, I mean the guy who appointed the two Supreme Court justices that finally got Roe v. Wade overturn that guy. But yeah, I want to ask about a priest for life because I want to get people something to do here and not just you know, this has turned into a bit of a therapy session for me. You can't hear confession anymore, Frank,

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protections for these children. So we're working, for example, right now in Ohio, there's a big push to amend their constitution to allow unlimited abortion, and so going in there educating people what this really means, mobilizing the voters, some of the basic election related stuff, get these voters registered, but they've get them educated at what this amendment is that's going to be on the November ballot. And the same effort, the same battle is taking place in many

other states. So Priests for Life connects the people who are interested in this issue. And again, not just priests, not just Catholics, anyone across America that wants to protect these children and stop this crazy unlimited abortion can connect with us. We'll keep them informed, will mobilize them, will give them the information they need depending on where they live, will inform them about the battles that are taking place

in their particular state. And we have a whole team of people who travel and speak and train these activists both on the ground and online. We help the churches, will help families, will help pro life groups network with each other. Those are some of the things buck that we're doing at the moment.