Deep State Deep Dive

Attamore coming up. This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake American, Bring You're a great American again, The Buck Sexton Show begins. No, it's a blowout number. You know. I'll just say Trump policies to rebuild the economy, lower taxes, regulations, opening energy trade reform. Look,

this stuff is working. The first quarter is supposed to be the worst quarter of the year, so it comes in at three point two percent tells me, among other things, that the prosperity cycle we have entered into is continuing. It's strong, it's got legs, and it's got momentum. And frankly, It's going to go on for quite some time. This is the new Trump economy. Some people don't like that,

or they don't agree with that. I respect the differences, but I'll tell you I think the Welcome to the Buck Sex and Show blowout number here on a Friday, GDP grow three point two percent the first quarter. Just a reminder, you know. I like to spend some time on the show to make the case to all of you that President Trump is in fact doing a very good job overall as president. Not perfect. Some stuff I would want it differently, but certainly not what the left

is telling you. It's a fight for the soul of the nation and what are we gonna do? And how are we ever gonna live for four more years of Trump. I do worry about what the psychological damage will be to the left if Trump does win reelection, and I think right now he is in a very strong position. I know a lot can change between now and then. I do worry about a cyclical recession. I'm gonna keep saying it because I'm hoping it won't come true, and

if I say it, it it won't happen. But Trump as commander in chief, Trump as a steward of the American economy, and with the ideas and the policies that he's pushing, things are actually going pretty well. There is a lot of there is a lot of sense of optimism and growth. And meanwhile the left is running around saying all kinds of just crazy stuff, Green New Deal, Medicare for All, increasingly embracing at least socialist tone, if not socialist intent. And that's why I like to hear from a man

Larry Couldlow. He's just He's great, isn't he Couldlow really is a very effective communicator, very very charming guy and smart understands the economy really well. Here's here's what he says about this idea of the Democrat left and can they really win pushing all this socialist nonsense playclibit. I mean the socialist winning. The Democratic Party can't win. They

cannot win. No, nobody wants to u Universal Healthcare cup GDP by fifteen percent, the Green New Deal, which would destroy I mean nobody that that socialist message is a sure loser. I hope he's right, I really do. I think he is right. But we have a long time and the medium and it think think about how much ferocity they direct at Trump on a regular basis, we think about their willingness to try to come up with a lot of different ways to just make Trump make

a negative news cycle for Trump. I mean, honest analyzes of media coverage of this president usually put negative coverage around ninety percent. So most of the major media outlets when they run a story on Trump, nine out of ten times, it's just obviously negative. Now they're going to have their second opportunity in the post Russia collusion delusion situation of the Mulla report already being out, and after the Billy Bush tape, and after the campaign finance porn

star payoffs. I mean, they've they've thrown all this stuff at Trump and they just can't beat him. They just can't figure out how to do it yet. So there's going to be a particular desperation you can smell it, you can feel it coming from the left in order to stop this president from getting four more years. And I don't know, and I really mean this, I don't know if they will be able to psychologically handle for more years of Trump. He's already broken them, so what's

he going to do break them again? Can they be rebroken. Is there going to be another night like that night when Trump defeated Hillary, when they're all these people gathered together for their big coronation party of whoever the Democrat is supposed to be. We don't really know yet. Right now people say Biden, I don't think that's going to last. But we'll talk more about where I am on Biden.

Can Democrats handle former years of Trump? Well? What will some of them actually start to flee to Canada or who knows where. I don't know if anyone really has the answer, because the way that they have responded to this president so far is just it does feel like and look like a form of psychosis. And Biden launching his campaign the way he did, talking about Charlottesville right away, and this pretense that we're gonna have a return to normalcy when I don't even know what normalcy is supposed

to be. The Obama years were normalcy. The Obama administration's policies, the bowing to dictators, the giving palettes of cash for hostages, the Iranians, after completely abandoning some of the fundamental precepts of US foreign policy in the Middle East because you didn't want to upset the Iranian mulas, that that's return

to normalcy. You know, you didn't build that demonizing job creators or those who build well for themselves and others through the fruits of their labor, that that's what we want to go back to. It doesn't seem like something that anybody should be particularly excited about. What will Biden's policies be. I don't even know if Biden knows what his policies and the economy are supposed to be. He's one of these guys who has been in living off the off of the public's checkbook for a very long time,

I think thirty or forty years now. He's never really had a private sector job. In that sense, he represents much of what was rejected in the last election, that the politics of the permanent political class, and Biden's already I don't even get me started on how you know, was essentially an unlicensed and unwanted massage therapist for anybody within arm's reach for the last twenty years or so. Yeah, that's right. What are his economic policies going to be?

A good Low brought up what he thinks Biden, well, he thinks of Biden doesn't even know what Biden's gonna do. Play nine. What I don't know is whether Joe Biden will run on the kinds of pro growth economic policies that Donald Trump is put in place, and whether Vice President Biden will work to keep the prosperity cycle going. Joe Biden's a blue collar guy. I get that. But here's the point. Under President Trump, blue collar workers are booming.

Blue collar employment is booming the best since I was here last in the nineteen eighties, Wages are booming. Will mister Biden promote growth policies or will he promote you know, big centralized government collective as policy like the rest of his party. We'll have to wait and see. A strong economy is usually a big winner come election time. That's all said. I mean, what are the policies that Biden is going to push, less prosperity, higher taxes. We know,

because that's the Democrats love to do that. What do they really think is going to be a compelling pitch for Joe Biden on the economy? All this class warfare stuff appeals to the left wing base, but people that are just trying to do the right thing, pay their bills, pay their mortgage, pay their rent. They don't. They don't just want to hear about the millionaires and the billionaires. They want to hear about how they're going to have opportunity and the government's going to take its boot off

their neck and its hand out of their pocket. Biden going to provide that. Biden is kind of a cipher and no one really knows what he thinks about a lot of this stuff because he's not somebody who has a particular philosophical position on anything. It's just what does it do for Biden at any given time. Old school politics for an old school dude. I don't think it's going to be enough in case Hillary Clinton loses. If she loses, we've got an insurance policy. Well that was

the insurance policy. Now she lost, and now they're trying to infiltrate the administration to really it's a coup. I think it's far bigger than Watergate. I think it's possibly the biggest scandal in political history in this country. So let's see how high it goes up. Because it's inconceivable when it goes to Clapper, Brennan, Comy, these people, I would imagine that some other people maybe a little bit higher up also knew about it, and maybe a lot

higher up. We know who he's talking about. The president there is starting to prepare the American people for the truth that I believe is going to come out very soon that President Barack Obama at the time knew a whole lot about what was going on and did nothing to stop it. I think what we will see is that President Barack Obama, well I'll get more into this later on the show, but I just this idea that it was a coup, that this was something that we

need to understand fully to prevent in the future. That is, we have to stay on this because the left is absolutely not going to want to get to the truth, because the truth is that they tried to cheat in the election that they always they claimed that Trump was the cheater. The reality is the Left was the cheat, was the cheater. The progressive Left were the ones who were pushing this whole story and engaging in the deceptions. Perhaps before the fives accord, I think very likely, almost

certainly that occurred. I think that the progressive Left has so much to be ashamed of, but they're not ashamed of anything, because I don't think they're really capable of shame. That's not something that's really in their vocabulary. And that's why when the President uses this language when he says it's a coup and it's far bigger than Watergate. Good good. That is what we That is how we should talk

about this. We're gonna have a whole conversation later on in the show about the kind of words the left wants us to use now in the ways that they try to control the language. But I mean, I'm just here to tell you that, you know, we have used their verbiage. They insisted that we say collusion for two years and then when we said no collusion, so well, collusion is not really a thing. I mean, they'll just change the rules as they go along. They'll change the rules.

And now that the great hope of the Democrat left is and I think that there there may be a great irony here that the effort to take down Trump may help ensure his reelection. But the Democrat left believes that this was rather that Joe Biden is somebody who can make can make it all happen, and he can defeat Trump. He's the one. And this is Trump talking about his soon to be perhaps number one opponent, on

the Democrats side. Play clip two. When you look at Joe, I've known Joe over the years, He's not the brightest light bulb in the group. He talked about the way the world is today. Well, I'll tell you the way the world is today is we have a strong military, We have choice for our veterans. We have the biggest tax cut in the history of our country. We are a country respected again the country. As much as the left wants to believe it's going to hell in a handbasket,

the country is doing well. We do not have the Occupy Wall Street movement popping up in city after city, you know, deciding they're going to set up these Marxist encampments and demand changes to policy and send Antifa running around to break things and threaten people and act all crazy. We don't have the Black Lives Matter movement marching around the city saying that hops or racist who are murdering black young black men for sport, for effectively for entertainment,

or out of out of some deep seated racism. This is what was being said under the years of the Obama administration that I was at the rallies. I actually remembered debating Van Jones on this, and he tried to say that, oh, that's not what said. I said, I have photos of the placards, I have video of the chance. I know exactly what was being said at Black Lives Matter rallies. You know, racist cops murdering, racist pigs. Terrible, terrible stuff. That's all that's gone away, at least for

now under the Trump administration. In what way was the country unified under the Barack Obama years? So this is where when Biden does this whole oh the soul of America? Where was this this bringing together? Yeah, there was a moment there in the early stages of the Barack Obama presidency where you have this historic rise of a of a president, first African American president. You know, there was

I'm not going to deny reality. There was a moment there where I think you had a particularly high level of excitement and enthusiasm for a new president. But then Obama started making decisions as president, started doing things, started pushing policies and ideas, and that did not bring the country together. Obamacare, for example, was as partisan an exercise as you could possibly have from the legislative branch. Obamacare was not about bringing people together or unifying them. It

was about making the Republicans wallow and suffer in silence. Remember, elections have consequences. It was we won, you lose. Take it. That's what the Democrat attitude was. And I think Trump is absolutely right when he points this out and that this soul of American nonsense from Joe Biden, it's just pathetic play. For so when Biden makes the same and talking about the soul, I mean the soul. Take a look at the Obama you know, I heard somebody say

before that there was s dissension and division. People forget there was tremendous division during the Obama administration, tremendous division. We actually have great spirit right now. We do have good spirit right now. We also have good jobs numbers, good stock market, good employment numbers. You know, everything is is trending in the right direction, everything except perhaps the border. I know, you know, I'm not going to go a whole show without bringing up where we are on the border.

I'm very troubled by this. Border Patrol Chief Brian Hastings, who I've interviewed numerous times, had this bombshell to drop. And just as numbers, you know, they can tell us to ignore numbers. The Democrats can say that doesn't really matter. Numbers do matter. Play clip six. As of yesterday, four

hundred and forty thousand apprehensions along the Southwest border. We need a change in in the current outdated laws that we're dealing with for this current graphic, in this crisis that we have four hundred forty thousand apprehensions along the southwest border, no end to this insight. The courts are blocking Trump. The Democrats are complicit in the massive illegal invasion in this country. They're not willing to take this on.

They don't want it to change. So I'm not I'm not sitting here to tell you everything's all just fantastic in Trump's America. But I do think it's better than what we had going on in Obama's America. I think that there's a very clear case to be made for that. And really, what upsets the liberals the most it's just Trump and his tweets. I keep asking, what's the terrible thing that Trump has done? What has made people's lives markedly worse in this country? And I get nothing. I

get all his tweets are mean. He says mean things to Jim Acosta really that that's now the barometer for whether the president is literally worse than a hitler, as they always say. I don't think so, my friends. We need to talk a bit more about the revelations of regarding the deep state. I know these Struck page text messages now have come out and people are looking at

those again. And there's the suggestion that Struck, a senior FBI agent, may have wanted to establish contacts in the administration during the transition in order to essentially set people up. I think is what we believe was going to happen, just like they did too, General Flynn, right, they were trying to take people down, and it was partisan and it was all done in bad faith. I want to talk to you about Maria Boutina coming up here because

she just got sentenced today officially in federal court. I might have a slightly different take on that than a lot of other folks. And then in the second hour to day on the show, we got George Papadopolis, who's going to join us, and I'm gonna let him really tell you his story, because remember he was central, he was the New York Times, a Washington Post. They said Papadopolis was the reason the FBI got this whole collusion investigation started. That is crap, and we will get into

why and hear it from him. She had nothing to do with the Muller investigation. The Muller team was aware of Maria, they were with this case. The interviewed her as part of the cooperation, and obviously she didn't appear

anywhere in the Muller report. I found it curious that that was mentioned that what she did was during the time of Russian election interference has led by the judge, when in fact, had she been involved in any of that, I would imagine Special Council Muller would have mentioned it somewhere in his four hundred pages if she had anything to do with it, But he should not. Maria Bouttina,

remember that name. Maria Butina was the young Russian woman red hair, and if you kind of remember, you can visualize because she was in the papers a lot for a few days, and she led to this this frenzy of speculation in the press about how there was a Russia NRA collusion axis. You know, there was this massive plot to run Russian assets through the NRA, and then you know, use that to influence our election or something.

All this stuff, and it got even worse. There was a suggestion, based on what and now is recognized as a joke, that she wrote to an American you know, acquaintance, that she was trading sex for access. I mean they called her essentially a prostitute and a spy, and that was completely unfair. I mean, they smeared this woman. The

press smeared her, the prosecutors initially smeared her. And now she's she's been sentenced today to eighteen months, with nine of them counted towards the time, already served eighteen months for being an unregistered foreign agent of Russia. Now, let me say this, the register, the registration of a foreign agent is an area of the law where you usually would not see this kind of very aggressive prosecution. I believe she was held in solitary for all too just.

I might have a check on that, but that that's a hallmark of the Muller probe and all the people involved here. Now, Maria Bucchina was not actually a part of them. She was not a Mueller specific target. They spun that off to I think the eastern district of New York, the Eastern District of Virginia. But there was all this stuff about how she was, you know, working through the NRA and the collusion and this not the

other thing. And when push comes to shove, Maria Bouttina was essentially working on and she was, according to the indictment and her guilty plea, doing this at the behest of the Russian government. But she was supposed to make friends in America and then have back channels for communication to try to improve US Russian relations. Now could that be I'm not naive. Could that be an opening for, you know, an easy opening to commit espionage down the line? Sure?

Of course? Could that have been her intent all along? Yeah? Maybe? Did she Maria Boutina commit any act of or try or conspire to commit any act of espionage to get her hands on classified information, to work to thwart the legitimate either processes of the government, or to in some way involve herself in the election. No, none of that happened. None of that happened. She was effectively doing what we in DC call networking. She was making friends and trying

to create relationships of influence. If she were not, and this is where I'm going to this and I know that some people may disagree with me on That's fine. I don't care. I mean, people are entitled their opinion whatever. If she were not a Russian and if we were not living through the Russia hysteria witch hunt situation, I don't believe that she would have faced any criminal charges whatsoever.

If Maria Boutina were from France. Do you think that she would have faced charges for conspiracy to act as a foreign agent without registering in this country, and that they would they would want prison time. They got eighteen months. That's a real prison sentence for her, of course not.

This is one of the reasons why I'm so pleased that we're going to have George Papadopoulos joining us later on in the program, because you know, the media wants to just drive past all this wreckage that they have created, you know, they they want to find some way to just move on to the next conspiracy that undermines Trump and that's bad for the administration. Mean, that really is their goal, and I refuse to allow them to do

that because they did real damage here. They hurt people, and the environment of near psychosis they created where people are so concerned about Russia and so concerned about you know, what's going to happen in the Muller pro of the Muller investigation, that then led to overreach of all kinds, to people's reputations being destroyed, to these very aggressive raids against individuals, whether it's Papadopolis or Stone or you know, Maniport and all these different people who are at worst

guilty of essentially white collar and process crimes. But the hysteria had spread throughout the federal government, and it should really put us all on edge. It should really make us all feel very uncomfortable that all it took for some of the most powerful people in the national security bureaucracy to become deep state left wing activists was this conspiracy theory that there was collusion between the Trump campaign

and Russia. That's all it took. And then they abandoned so many of their professional and ethical obligations, and they decided that sure enough, they would not give any benefit of the doubt to the people that they were investigating. It was just going to be a headhunting expedition. They were going to get scalps, They're going to get people. I guess that's done a scalp hunting expedition, same idea. They were going to make people pay for this. Did

it matter to them? Did it matter to Muller along the way that the fundamental premise of this investigation was false, that the entire initial purpose of the investigation was based on stories that were not true, based on a reality that had not occurred. They just don't care. They just don't care. This was payback, my friends. It was payback all along. And they didn't get everything they wanted, but they did score some points along the way, and they're

not done yet. So we need to get ready for battle here because these people should not benefit from what they did, and they certainly shouldn't get their person in the White House next. And in that moment, I knew the threats of this nation wasn'tunlike any I had ever seen in my lifetime. I wrote it to time. They were in the battle for the soul of this nation. Oh that's even more true today. I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the

monument to Roberty Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great general. People were there protesting that taking down of the monument of Roberty Lee. Everybody knows that President Trump does not accept the left's narrative of events where he is a supporter of neo Nazis and white nationalists. Of course, the left is not willing to move past this. They will miscategorize and misrepresent what he says. It is really the core of their Trump is evil. That is what this

gives them license to say in their minds. That's why they won't stop. They won't allow this to be an honest discuss because I think that Trump didn't handle this as well as he could have. I think that what he said wasn't under the circumstances, what I would have advised or would have wanted him to say. But he didn't say that. This was you know that the white nationalists are good and that Neo Nazis are fine people. That's just a lie, and people are lying about what

he said, and very intentionally. But I thought it was so interesting today because this debate broke out, at least on social media, about whether it is now racist to say that Robert E. Lee is a great general. You

can't say Robert E. Lee's a great general. Now when you talk about great you can have a whole discussion about you know, Alexander the Great conquered a lot of the known world at the time, amazing military feats, but was not a guy that I think if you put him in the current context in terms of the amount of people that he killed along the way, that you would necessarily think was a great guy. And then you

have Genghis Khan for example. If you say Genghis Khan was a great, a great military mind, a great war leader, does that mean that you're okay with the genocide that the Mongols engaged in on a pretty regular basis. I mean, the Mongols would go in and if you haven't ever heard it, I would recommend Dan Carlin's hardcore history on this one. The Mongols would go in and they would kill an entire city. If the city resisted, everybody, everything, men, women, children,

everyone dies, whole cities. No one saying that Gengghiz Khan murdering every man, woman and child in a city is ethical or good. But if you're talking about military capability, the expansion of state authority under arms, and yeah, then guess what, it's pretty impressive, pretty impressive what Genghis Khan pulled off and in so many ways. Genghis Khan was one of the great military leaders of all time, but that doesn't mean that he's a good guy or everything

he does is okay. And the case of Roberty Leeds obviously an even more nuanced discussion with was he fighting for Virginia? Was he actually fighting for slavery? People argue about this stuff all the time. I know a lot of people in South right now are yelling as they hear this. He was not pro slavery. I know this. I've read biographies of Lee. But he fought for the Confederacy, and there is now a very active effort to make everyone who took up arms for the Confederacy to be

akin to Nazis. That's really what the that's what the left and the Democrat Party today. Remember the Democrat Party of the of slavery and segregation and Jim Crow and the ku Klux Klan. That's that's all Democrat Party stuff.

But now the Democrat Party are very brave warriors for truth and justice on this issue, you know, after the fact, and they really want to believe that anybody that had anything to do with the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy was it was morally equivalent to a Nazi And I think that's you know, that is that

is unfair. That is unfair. Although these conversations in history, they do come up in other context too, And it's interesting to see how people get very very tense, very uncomfortable when you point out things like, Okay, it's one thing to admit a member of the Nazi Party, It's it's another thing to be a member of let's say the SS. But is every Wehrmacht conscript that fought for the Germans and the Second World War? Are they all

the equivalent of the guys running the death camps? I mean, I think that that's they fought for the wrong side, They fought for an evil side. Is every person who fights for the wrong cause to be held accountable for everything in that cause? I mean, what if you are facing the ruination or destruction of your and your family unless you're willing to serve. What if you're fighting for nationalist causes, meaning that love of the nation not national socialism?

You know? Is that a see? People, you can even have this discussion if you say that there are great not meaning great men, so that there are great generals who fought for the Confederacy. That is a military judgment. But today I saw because Trump said that or tweeted that Robert E. Lee was a great general. This caused all kinds of stir. You know, if I were to study the tactics of Rommel, who was very well respected as a tactician, no one saying that, you know, he

was okay that he fought for the Nazis. But if you study the tactics of Rommel and say that he was a great tactician, does that mean that you were advocating for Nazi Of course not. But it's very hard to have adult conversations these days when there are so many leftists who are just looking for a way to bash the opposition and everyone involved with it, in their political opponents as just racist. That's they love to go

with racist and now white nationalist alt right. You know, there are areas where they could criticize Trump and it would be at least a real exchange about something meaningful. But what they'd rather do is just debase, defame, and smear and really go after the person and really suggests that he's just an evil human being. It's not enough to say they don't like his policies, and this is

common among Democrats all over the place. It's not that you and I are disagree with them, say on climate change, because you know, there was a map that was floating around the internet yesterday and all over social media at least, and it showed what is going to happen to Los

Angeles if we don't stop climate change. And my friend David Harsanyi pointed out that what's going to happen is that if people believe this, you would think that they would be willing to sell their beachfront Malibu mansions at a considerable discount. But they're not, and they won't. Why is that they really think that the Los Angeles shore is going to be underwater in ten years. You don't want to be locked into a a ten million dollar home that's not going to be around in ten years.

That's not a good idea. But it's not that we're wrong on that. It's that we're evil, We're bad, we're bad people. That is what the left believes, and they also believe a lot of other things that are not true. Here's Joe Biden, who was on the View today. Joe seems to have a very close relationship with Megan McCain, which just I'm just noting that that's what I've picked up on. But Joe said this about the Obama administration that he served in play thirteen. I'm very I'm incredibly

proud to have served with him. And the thing I'm proudest of is we coincidentally, we're each in a different part of the country, and we were each talking to groups of people that were being televised, and at the same day, purely coincidentally, D asked the question, what are your proudest of your administration? I know what I said. It turns out he said the same thing, and probably a little more clearly than I did. That not one single whisper of scamper, not one. He's amazing. I know,

he's the best. He's the smartest, the most handsome, the best dresser. He's amazing. Do you remember the tan suit he wore. He was so handsome in it. Remember Operation Fast and Furious? Remember Benghazi? Remember the Irs targeting conservatives in an election year. None of that is None of that is worthy of scandal. Huh interesting. Here's a little preview, though, I think where this conversation will go pretty soon. You

know what. The real scandal with the Obama aministration is going to end up being the complicity of Obama's top national security officials in the Spygate collusion conspiracy theory. And I do believe that not only will we find out that this was essentially created almost out of just fabricated out of thin air with the dossier, but that beyond that, I think Obama knew a lot more about this than anybody wants to admit. I think Obama let this play out.

And therefore, when we know the full scope of the deep state spying and the efforts to have a soft coup against the president, there will be and the media will never admit this because they still think that there was collision. I mean, they're crazy, but the media, you can't worry about them. They'll never come to an honest conclusion.

The information will be out there and we will know that Obama knew enough that he should have stopped this, and he didn't, and he didn't because he didn't want to, and he didn't want to because this was the ultimate backdoor way to stop Trump and we all know it. Speaking of which, we have George Popadoppolis joining for the full hour coming up here. He's gonna take you right into the heart of the deep state conspiracy theory. We have that coming up here in just a moment. I know, FBI,

guess these are the best in the world. But the people leading at Komi and McCabe and Strook and Page and all of these people. The lawyer who admitted frankly how crooked things were. I mean, when that testimony comes out, it's already come out partially, when that testimony comes out from the attorney for the FBI, you'll see. So I really say, now we have to get down because this was a coup. This was an attempted overthrow of the

United States government. President Trump saying what I think did happen here, which was a deep state effort to undo to first prevent the election of Donald Trump, and then to undo the election of Donald Trump, and to use some of the most powerful tools in the federal government's

surveillance and law enforcement arsenal to accomplish that task. We have a lot of unanswered questions here, things that I'm not going to let us fall by the wayside, and there's justice that still very much needs to be done. With that in mind, I want to bring our friend George Papadopoulos. Now I'm sure you've heard the name before. He got caught up right in the center of what became the Muller Probe and the FBI's earlier efforts to

investigate Russian interference in the election. He ended up taking a guilty plea and spending a short stint in jail for Muller's, in my opinion, radically over zealous and politicized prosecutorial efforts. But he is the author and he's on a book tour right now of Deep State Target How I got caught in the crosshairs of the plot to bring down President Trump. He's also a former Trump campaign advisor. George Man, is so good to have you on. I know we talked before, but I'm glad to get you

on the radio show. Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's a real honor, George. So I want to spend some time. It's a Friday, and you know there's not the world's not on fire right now with some huge, crazy story that we got to spend our whole, all of our time on. I want to get into because this is what's coming next. You your story. Carter Page's story. How did this whole Russia collusion narrative get spun up? So if you would just walk me into

it's the summer. I mean, I want you to take us back to the beginning a little bit here, and then work us all the way through to when Muller is threatening you, threatening your girlfriend, saying all kinds of stuff that I want you to explain to everybody. Tell me what was going on the summer of twenty sixteen. Your Trump campaigns in full swing, you're an advisor, you get some offer to go to the UK. What happens? Yeah, well, oh, it's a very complicated story. And I'm just going to

say this first. My entire case was never about Russia, was about Israel, and Bob Muller himself stated that unequivocally in his report. For some reason, reporters either intentionally overlooked it or they just did not read the fine Prince.

But if you see the Bob Muller report, and I've even tweeted this on my accounts at George Poppa nineteen, he stayed said George Poppidapolis had search warrants and other surveillance warrants issued upon him to look into his quote substantial context to Israel, but unfortunately for them, they said that the evidence wasn't sufficient to charge me with the

FARO violation. So why am I bringing this up Because all of my encounters with these Western intelligence operatives, including as you just mentioned in the summer of twenty sixteen, they targeted me for those ties and not Russian ties, because of course I have no Russian ties. I've never been to Russia. I've never met a Russian official in

my entire life. And as somebody who was working for five years at a neo conservative think tank in Washington, d C. With people like Scooter Libby, dug Fights and set Cropsy, the last thing I was doing was promoting Russian interest throughout my entire career. So I just want to qualify exactly what my case was about at the thirty thousand foot level and now get into the specifics

when I was meeting with these operatives. Joseph Mipsud, who by the way, has recently been outed last week living two blocks away from the usmbassy in Rome, and right now the Italian government has issued some sort of inquiry into him and the university that he's currently being paid by, called Ling campus. It's going to highlight probably another reason why Donald Trump called the Italian Prime Minister last week,

and they probably discussed this person. And we're going to get to the bottom of exactly who was running this person at me. But let's let me get back to the summer of twenty sixteen. In twenty sixteen, I had been working for a company named the London Center for International Law Practice. Yeah. Yes, And anybody who does a simple superficial examination of this organization, you won't find any

Russians working there. You'll find a lot of ex Western diplomats working there, the top lawyers of the biggest law firms in the world affiliated with this organization, and many six CIA types who were directly or indirectly involved with this company. Now, immediately upon joining the Trump campaign, and as I just stated, I was working for this company, they were horrified and they said, before you go, please come with us to Rome where we need you to

meet some very important people. And a woman named Arvind or Sambe, who is a very important woman who's never been discussed before and involved in the Russia probe, but she's heavily involved in my case, and I think also related to the Bruce or involvement in the Trump Tower meeting or the Trump Tower investigation because arvind Or Sambe, who was a director at this company I was working for, unbeknownst to me at the time, had we used to work directly with Bob Muller after nine to eleven, and

she actually was working as a legal at TACHE for the FBI in the UK while she was also affiliate affiliated with this company I worked for. So she tells me, why don't you go to Rome. We're going to introduce you to some people there who are going to help you with your Trump campaign stuff. And I said, of course, that's great. I go to Rome to this university called Link Campus now wise Link Campus significant because Link Campus has been written about extensively by David Ignatius of the

Washington Post and others. And this is a CIA FBI training school in Rome that it trains not only Italian intelligence officials, but the CIA and FBI. Previous directors and deputy directors have actually spoken at this university and have even taught courses at this university. So it's a very prominent school in Rome. And that's where I meet Joseph Mipsud. Now Joseph Mipsod just to fast forward and to summarize

who this person is. For the last two years, he's been characterized by Bob Muller as the man who was a Russian agent who fed me information in late April that the Russians had Hillary Clinton's emails and I was clusing, hold on one second. This is just I want to make sure everyone's following everything you're telling me. You're so you're you're on a Trump campaign, and someone approaches you, this woman you just mentioned and says, come to this

university because we'd love to talk to you. Basically, like you know, this is like connection, building rapport, that kind of thing. And Joseph mipsued he has been accused by Muller of being essentially a Russian intelligence cutout. Yes, he has been accused and portrayed to the world for two years as a Russian cutout who was feeding me information about the Russians possessing Hillary Clinton's emails. Now, I just

want to make it clear. Joseph Mipsud was introduced to me by an FBI intermediary that I used to work for in London named Arvinder Sambe. And when I get to Rome. I am introduced to Vincenzo Scotti, who was the former Foreign Minister of Italy and acted as the rector of this university, and he passed me along to meet Joseph Mipsud. Now, why is this meeting in romeso importance? Besides that it led to this incredible espionage scandal that

we've been living last couple of years. Just today, just today, meaning this morning in Italy on the front page of one of Italy's largest newspapers, Il Foglio. And I'm fortunate that my wife is Italian and she reads these papers, and she had many connections to the Italian government, so she knows Mipsud's network over there. She showed it to me and she said, do you know what this is?

I said, no, what does it say? Joseph Mipsud's lawyer, Stephen Rowe, this prominent Swiss attorney who's representing him, went public and stated that when George Papandapolis was introduced to Mipsud,

Mipsod was working quote undercover. Now what does that mean when if I'm introduced to this person Joseph Mipsued at a spy school that trains a CIA and FBI and he quotes undercover when he's meeting with me, and then tells me three weeks after I meet with him that the Russians have Hillary Clinton's emails, which I believe, and I think many people now who know my case believe there was some sort of counter intelligence sting operation. Again, this was a dangle. This was tell we would call

this a dangle. They they set you up by putting forth this guy, and they put you in the position and they offered up this information and then you know, keep going. But that's that's the terminology for this. Keep going. Yes, So this is very important. So fast forward after Joseph Mipso introduces me to no One in the Russian government or no one of any substance in Russia, which I had been actively seeking at that time, he one day, as I'm trying to distance myself from him, on April

twenty sixth, tells me that the Russians have Hillary Clinton's emails. Now, the dates are very important here because timelines have consequences. And wait, I just gotta jump in Hillary Clinton's emails, not Podesta DNC emails. I never heard the word DNC and I never heard the name John Podesta Okay, because because because the Hillary Clinton email thing, that was a rumor that was out there that even I heard myself at the time about Russia. But keep going, yes, so

that's what I thought he was doing. I thought he was validating rumors. And I also didn't understand why or how this individual who couldn't even introduce me to the Russian ambassador in London could have this information that apparently the rest of the world wanted or wanted to know about.

So I was very suspicious about this person. And why is it important to understand that this meeting that he told me this information on was on April twenty sixth, because about ten days before Joseph Mips had told me this information, I was contacted by the Australian embassy and I met with a woman named Erica Thompson over lunch by this Israeli diplomats, which there's a lot of suspicion about who this person really was, and he's actually there,

he's being scrutinized actually in Israel itself, from what I've been told presently, at an Israeli diplomat who I had been put in touch with, who hated Trump called Christian Cantor in mid April told me one day, I want to introduce you to my quote unquote girlfriend, and his quote unquote girlfriend just happened to be an Australian intelligence officer who also worked as a top assistant to Alexander Downer.

Later on I would find that out, and I'm sitting there and I'm a little shocked that two potentially intel officers from two different countries are dating. We're living together, So I didn't believe the story. Anyways, I went along and I was just listening to this woman, Erica Thompson in mid April tell me and that Trump is a pariah and that his views on global security and trade are viewed as hostile to Australian interests and even to

British interests. And you know, many pundents at the time we're talking about Trump this way, even to this present day, around the world, many leaders don't like him. So I laughed it off. I didn't think too much about it. And then Joseph Mipsot on April twenty six tells me this information. And five days after Joseph Mipso tells me this information, I'm approached by two DA officials from the USMBC in London named Gregory Baker and Terrence Dudley, and

these two officials, I'll never forget it. The moment they meet with me. Gregory Baker starts speaking to me in Greek, suggesting that he knew that I was fluent in Greek and other languages. And Terrence Dudley began to speak to me about his thesis at TuS University, which had to do with the energy business and the Caucuses, which I was a recognized expert on in the Mediterranean. So I right away felt that they were sent to meet me.

I wasn't cleared by who, but I played along and they were spending probably the equivalent of a thousand dollars on me over four meetings, over drinks and dinner, probing me about my ties to the Israelis. They were probing me about what Trump was doing with Russia. And then they were telling me that I should go meet with the US Defense at Shay and Athens who I had known previously, Captain Robert Palm. Where we were George, George, hold on, wait before we get the attache. I got

to go into a quick break here. I want you to continue on exactly where we are everyone, We're talking to George Popadopolis, the man himself at the center of the Special Council Russia Collusion, Delusion Storm. He's got a book, Deep State Target, How I got caught in the cross airs of the plot to bring down President Trump. We're going to have more with George, a lot more coming up. We're back with George Papadopolis, author of Deep State Target, How I got to the crossairs of the plan to

bring down President Trump. George was right at the center of this, all right. So, George, as we left off, you were then being set up for a meeting. You said, where defense at tesche Where? Yes, in Athens. Now, I just want the listeners to understand, these people don't reach out to you unless they know that who you are

and what connections you have. And I was on a almost first name basis with the presidents and prime ministers in Israel, Cyprus, Greece, and my connections were so high in Egypt that I ended up brokering the meeting between Trump and CC at the UN General Assembly. So my

contexts were all in the Mediterranean. And that's and this is what all of these operatives wanted to know about That's why they tell me, you know, you need to go to Athens and you need to meet with Captain Robert Palm, who I had met I think a year before, and the US Army at Sache, I forget his name, and I want to meet the US Army at Sache in May at his house, we had a nice dinner and in Athens the US Army at Sache and he

was probing me as well. And then I met Captain Robert Palm, who a couple of days after, I met with the Greek defense minister who was a friend of mine, Panos Komenos, and where Pantos Kaimenos essentially was telling me that he wants to be Native's best friend and there's an opportunity for this grease Israel alliance to basically upend the previous security How does this time to Russia in the investigation though, because now we're getting down into the weeds,

people might start to lose this. So what does this have to do with them thinking you're at the center of Russia collusion? Well no, no, this is actually the main point I'm making is I have nothing to do with Russia. I was targeted for a completely different thing, and all these operatives were testing me to see what I knew about this sensitive part of the world. Then you have this person, Joseph Mipsud, throwing this unsolicited information in my lap about emails. So he told you about

the emails. You did not tell him, of course not. I mean I was. I was having a conversation with him as if I'm doing it with you right now, and you dropped bizarre information in my lap that I didn't ask you for, like you have a gun and I didn't ask you if you have a gun or not. So that's what this information was. It was unsolicited. I didn't want it, and he never told me how he received it. Now, why is this so important? You're right, let's not get into the weeds with the military Atach's

target meeting with me about other topics about Alexander Downer. Now, Now, Alexander Downer wanted to meet with me about ten days after Joseph Mipsud told me this, and three days after the US defense, the DA guys met with me in London, and who messaged me to set up this meeting between Downer and I. That same lady, Erica Thompson, who I was introduced to in mid April by the Israeli diplomats,

and she messaged me on May six. I looked back at my records the same day that I was meeting the DA and she said, my boss, Alexander Downer would like to meet you on May tenth. Would you like to meet with him? I said, of course, I go to this meeting with Alexander Downer. I write about this extensively in my book of how bizarre this meeting was, and I feel immediately upon sitting down that this is an asset that was sent to make contact with me,

that he was spying on me. I testified under oath to Congress about my belief that he was spying on me, and I revealed to the FBI and Bob Muller himself that I felt that Alexander Downer was spying on me and recording my conversation because of his very bizarre behavior and his use of his phone and how he was pointing at me and other things. So when I met with Alexander Downer, there's this nonsense or this fake story of he and I being drunk in a meeting and

talking about emails. This was a very belligerent diplomats. He The first thing I did when I said down at the table was being shocked because he's telling me to stop quote bothering his good friend David Cameron, and Donald Trump should stop bothering his good friend David Cameron. And I didn't understand what was happening. And then he started getting into these tangents about Cyprus and why my ideas on Cyprus are a threat the British because he doesn't

believe that the Church should leave Cyprus. And George, George, I gotta cut in here for a second because we have to go again into a commercial break for a moment, but we're going to come back talking to George Papadophlus. Everybody. He is laying out the whole story. And this is where the investigation, the IG report, this is where everything is heading. Is what happened with George Popadopolis, the fbhind investigation carter page. We're getting it from the man himself,

deep State target. How I got in the crosshairs of the plan to bring down President Trump is the book. George Papadoplas is the man. We have more with George. What happened in that meeting with Downer and then what came after that that's going to be in just a moment. Welcome back, team. We've got George Papadopholis with us here for a deep dive into how he became the deep State target, which is also the title of his book, which I highly recommend to all of you who want

to know what really happened in this spygate scandal. George, you were telling us about the meeting with Alexander Downer. Please continue. Yes. So, I was reached out to by Alexander Downer's assistant who had contacted me initially on April fifteenth, and she contacts me on May sixth and says, I would like Alexander Downer would like to meet with you. And on May sixth, I was reached out to by the DA at the US Embassy. So I go and

I meet with Alexander Downer on May tenth. And this person, his behavior was so disturbing that I ended up reporting him to Bob Muller and fby myself because I felt that he was spying. I mean recording my conversation and let me explain to you what was happening in this meeting. I sit down and right away he tells me that your boss and you better leave my good friend David

Cameron alone. And I didn't understand what he was talking about, but I think something was happening between David Cameron and Trump regarding the Muslim band comments. Then he starts to probe me about the US China relationship and my ties to Cyprus and Israel and why those are threatening and why I shouldn't be advising Donald Trump about those issues. Now, this is important to understand because it deals. It goes right into the Stefan Helper meeting, which I'll get to

in a second, about Israel and Cyprus. After he starts asking me about the Mediterranean and China, he begins to pull his phone out, and I felt that he was overtly spying on me, as he was holding it up front and looking in a very stern manner in my face. So I didn't understand what this person was doing instead that he except that he was asking me questions. Okay, we get it. He's creepy, he's weird. George, you met

with Downer in them one? Yeah. So then after that, I don't remember Russia ever being brought up by me. I don't remember the contents of anything regarding Russia. So this story where he disclosed information to the FBI about me and Russia makes no sense. And of course there's no official intelligence from Australia. And for everybody at home,

this is what's so important. You are the person who is listed, and you've gone through all your contacts and conversations here and this is all on the record now with a special counsel. You were the person the FBI was saying, oh, we need to start a full field investigation in July of twenty sixteen because someone tied to Trump knows about the Hillary emails that were hacked by Russia. And what you're telling us is that this is all crap and they set you up. Basically, well, that's a

very good way to put it. And I told the FBI, I told Muller, and I told Congress. I never told down or anything about these emails. And even Downer himself has contradicted himself at least three times in subsequent interviews

he's given about whatever he thought was said self. Course, so the three texts for the entire investigation on you was based on a false premise, which is that you were running around drunk and running your mouth about how Hillary's emails got hacked by the Russians and you knew about it, and the Trump camp pay knew about it. You're telling me that is because that's the story of the media ran with. You're telling me that is a lie.

Of course it's a lie. And I'll just quote Mark Meadows, Congressman Mark Meadows from a podcast he gave I think two weeks ago where he stated that Papadopolis was around five percent of the predicate that went into whatever this investigation was, A ninety five was about to doociate an

other things. So of course this was just a convenient cover story where you have a Clinton ally like Alexander Downer lying about a meeting and stating, oh yeah, this guy said something about emails, and it just becomes a convenient cover story for Americans to simplify things for Americans. Okay, And so once that meeting happens, you're done with the Downer meeting. It's very weird. When do you realize that

the federal government is coming after you? I started, I didn't have an idea until I was interviewed by the FBI in January of twenty seventeen, but I did believe that my meeting with Stefan Helper in September of twenty sixteen, where he paid me three thousand dollars for a paper on the Israeli energy business and he flew me to London, I felt that he was recording in spine on me because he was very bizarre and very hostile the way

that Downer was. So I didn't understand anything except I was having very strange, unproductive meetings with these various people until the FBI came to my house in January twenty seventeen. And I had a right when Trump takes right when Trump actually becomes president, right around then you get an FBI visit. I'm attending the inauguration at a party with ranks previous two days before the FBI comes to my house.

And I believe the FBI came to me and Flynn within forty eight hours of one another, so clearly they wanted to get after him and I very quickly, and there's probably the reason for that, that's just that has yet to be understood. So they come to my house. They're talking to me for three hours about numerous contents, things including the Israeli angle that I just told you about. And then they asked me if I heard anything from Russians or about hacked emails, and I say, of course not.

But a Maltese man named Joseph Mitsa told me this information. And then later on we find out that this person and had been working as an operative for Western intelligence. So I'm not clearest to exactly what I lied about or what my entire case was really about regarding Russia when we now know it was a complete setup. Right, So the FBI came here to talk to you, and you told them all this stuff. And then when does

the Special Council enter the picture? So the special counsel for you enters the Yeah, the Special Council answers the picture. When I'm arrested in a savage like manner in the summer of twenty seventeen, after I'm coming off a flight from Italy going back to the United Wait, So you spoke to the FBI in January twenty seventeen, the Special Council arrested you. You had no other contact in the

summer of twenty seventeen, No, nothing, nothing. I was arrested in a savage like manner without even understanding what I had done wrong? If how did they arrest? You? Tell me about the takedown? I want to know. Sure, sure, So I'm I'm on a shuttle bus, you know those famous shuttle buses. I had Dullars Airport, and I'm looking across from me, and I see two men in suits and ties while everybody else is in sweatpants because we're all coming off a fifteen hour flight. And I know

that these ragents. And as soon as I get to the kiosk, they rushed me to a room where there's seven agents. They're waiting for me. They're rummaging through my bags looking for something, and whoever reads my book will understand what I think they were looking for, because we don't have time to talk about it now. But I'm then told I'm under arrest. My Miranda rights aren't read to me. I have handcuffs and shackles thrown around my

hands and feet. I'm thrown in the back sheet of a black tinted out SUV and I'm in a cell without being given access to my lawyers. UM and I'm looking in front of a judge the next day where I'm looking where they're saying, you're looking at twenty five years in prison without me even being shown on arrest warrants, read my miranda rights or told initially why I was

being arrested. So if you read my book, you'll understand why I think the FBI, well, they were what they were trying to do was charging you with some nonsense substruction of justice charge that made no sense and a lyne to the FBI, and then they had this far violation apparently with my Tis Israel. But that was what their nonsense case was all about. Of course, they used tactics probably that the KGB would use on their own

citizens to you know, screw me up psychologically. And that's why I probably pled guilty so quickly without actually understanding what my case was really all about, because when you're dealing in these counterintelligence investigations, so much exculpatory evidence that, especially in my case, which is it's clear now was is never provided to the defendant. And at that point, this is twenty seventeen, people think Russia collusion is real.

They think that Trump's in the pocketarction you got, you got totally ambushed by these guys. What is the lie that they claimed that you told that then led to your what was a two week prison sentence. My eleven nights in this minimum security camp, which looked more like a university dorm than a prison, was because and it's in my record now on the of my status of effec is because I misremembered when I met Joseph Mipstood

a year before the FBI came to my house. They say that I said I met him in April or I'm sorry, and before I joined the campaign initially, but then they showed documents that suggested I met him while

I was on the campaign. So it was so stupid, so ridiculous that I don't want to speak for the honorable judge who sentenced me, of course, and I'm not doing that, but to get an eleven night sentence for a federal crime, you know, people even in the prison were laughing about it and saying, what on earth was this? And I think, what was it like when you dealt with Did you get to talk to Muller directly and did you ever get to look at him and just be like, why are you doing this to me, dude?

I explained in my book the moment when I realized the FBI set me up, and it was in December of twenty seventeen, when they pretty much made it clear to me that Joseph Mipsod had been working for them the whole time. But we don't have time for me to get into the exact details. But I never saw Mueller. I was dealing with Andrew Goldstein, this guy Zelinski, and Janie Ree and the FBI agents who took me down. And what were they? What were they like though Jeanie

Reim and she's part of the Special Council? Were they Did you think that they were fair minded? No, of course not. These people. My impression of them was that they were Hillary Clinton's personal lawyers, that they basically were out to get any scalp they can, just to show case that this is what happens when Hillary Clinton loses, this is what happens when her honors, you know, in the mud, and when you help a person like Donald

Trump get elected president. There was no crime here. I think Muller and the FBI and even Peter Struck, according to his own text messages, that there's no they're there regarding Russia collusion. They knew there was nothing going on with us in Russia, especially in my case, where I explained to you, I was under investigation for a completely different thing that had nothing to do with and Fara, especially far with Russia is one thing because people were

all paranoid about Russia. Fara with Israel is not something that in any normal time anybody would be prosecuted criminally for in Washington, DC. It just wouldn't happen. I know that wouldn't happen. Well, like I said, I'll just I just will refer you and the listeners to actually read the Muller report and you'll see what he writes about that aspect. No, no, I've seen the part of it. I'm just saying that you got I mean, you got homes, my friend, That's what that was all about us. Yes, yes,

and I agree with you. So when they actually told me they were going to charge me with that, I was half laughing, half shocked, because, like you said, this doesn't happen in normal times. Clearly there was a vendetta against the Trump campaign and anyone who even made a slight mistake was going to have the kitchen sing thrown at them. And in my case, they went to the extent where they were probably going to try and jeopardize a security relationship with our one of our top allies

just to put me in jail. So it just goes to show you the depths of hell that these people went to to go after myself and probably Michael Flynn and Roger Stone and people like Corsi, who fortunately didn't plead guilty. But this was a real witch hunt. This was a persecution. I don't even call it a prosecution. And you know, I'm just very happy now to finally have a chance to breathe and get my story out and hopefully it's used now to assist the new investigations

into the investment. Right. I want to I want to take us there next, George. I want to know what you want answers to what you hope the Inspector General and the DOJ. I mean, I have people that I trust. I don't know, George, how you feel about this, but people that I trust say that that bar is a good man and an honest man, and he wants answers about what happened, including to you. So I want to come back to this part of the story in a moment.

We're talking to George Papadopolis, author of Deep State Target, which you can get now on Amazon, and we'll be right back with George. Stay with me, all right, everyone, we're talking to George Papadopolis, man at the center of all this Russia collusion nonsense. As he's been pointing out, he had nothing to do with Russia, knew nothing about Russia, never been to Russia, and yet the Special Counsel came after him like he was Pablo Escobar. Deep State Target

is George's book. George, Okay, so now you know you went to this, you went through this whole process. Clearly they came after you. They're trying to justify stuff, in my opinion, that had been done all along the way. They're trying to cover their tracks by using you as a fall guy. Your a scapegoat for both the FBI deep state effort and then for the Special Counsel Mueller to justify what they're doing and create this perception of some kind of international nexus of collusion. What do you

want answers to now? What do we have to find out in order to get some justice and accountability here? Well, that's a great question, and I think Congress already has a lot of these answers, but they're being coy and what do I mean my testimony the Congress has been

recently released, I think two weeks ago. I testified in front of the House Oversight Committee four months ago where I was in front of Mark Meadows, John Rathcliffe and others, where if you actually look at the transcript now, all two hundred and thirty nine pages of it, it's actually a very fast read. You can almost infer yourself that Congress or members of the US government themselves are in possession of transcripts of my meetings with people like Joseph Mipston,

Alexander Downer, and Stefan Helper. So what that suggests to me is that these clearly were people looking to entrap me, and they were working with the FBI or the CIA, or even probably the British Intelligence services to either spy on me or to dirty me up. And now the US government has is in possession of those. I want those to be released if they are, if they do exist. I know Mark Meadows has been tweeting a lot lately

about so called tapes. The puppet up was tapes that he wants released, So I'm very curious to see what he's talking about and who was actually recording me, if not one of those men or all three of those men.

So that's the first thing. The second thing is, of course Donald Trump must declassify the three O two is the FISA warrants and the FISA applications, because I have been told myself that I had a FISA warrants issued on me, and I also was told by somebody that Michael Flint had a FISA warrant issued on him as well,

not simply this harder page FISA. So it's going to be very interesting to see how Stefan Helper as well, who is basically spying on Flynn and I at different times, is going to be revealed as an informant of the Intelligence services. And now the information, no matter how DADA was, was being fed to the FIST accord from him. So I want to just see, you know, the three things I really want to have exposed are the rolls of the three men I just labeled, Alexander Downer, Stefan Helper,

and Joseph Mipsud. I want all the FISS declassified, and I want the three O two is declassified because by doing this you're really going to get to the origins of how this investigation all started, and it will prove once and for all how dirty and sellacious the information was, the evidence was that was used to basically target us

and illicitly spy on us. And now that we have all this new information out, including that the docier was a fake and Joseph Mipsud was never a Russian spy, I'm very curious to see what kind of information was used to get FISA warrants and wire cap members of the Trump campaign. So I think the only way to get to the bottom of that is, of course, if

Donald Trump declassifies it. And I'm very happy people like Mark Meadows and John Ratcliffe are the on the worst are going on the on the offensive now and on the on offense now and asking him to do it. So it will be a good time to be an American when that's revealed. It's going to be a great

moment in American history. And by doing that, it'll probably safeguard Trump's re election in twenty twenty, because if he doesn't go on the offensive, you might have rogue CIA and FBI elements who might go after him again and we might have an entire new scandal next year. So I think he has to put a stop hit and that and that's the only way he can do it. We've only got about a minute, George, and this has

been fascinating. I just want to ask you. Has anyone from the White House kind of just reeched out to you to say, you know, keep your chin up and stay in the fight. You know, I know that my attorneys are very close with people working in the White House. I am just keeping out of it. I don't want to, you know, be viewed as somebody interfering in anything, because I understand that they're so ongoing investigations with Muller and there's clearly going to be new investigations by bar and

Horowitz and Hoober. So I'm not reaching out to them. I don't know if my lawyers have been in touch with them. But my goal right now is simple, and that is going on programs like yours, going on TV and exposing the truth and giving names, dates and details of encounters that I had that I believe we're clearly set ups, and they were setups that were designed, as you stated earlier, to use me as a fall guy to justify this elicit scandal and investigation into the Trump

presidency which almost led to his impeachment. All Right, George, George Papadopolis, Everybody, Deep State. Target is the book. It is available on Amazon now. George Man, thank you so much for joining us and really telling your story in a way that we needed to hear it. And we're going to follow up with you as we get more answers. Thanks again, my friend, absolutely, thank you. Buck. How crazy is the Left when it comes to the troll of language.

It's a recurring theme on the show, My friends. I like to talk to you about it because the Left thinks that they can and sometimes do, win debates merely by telling us what words we can use in the debate,

what words we can use in the discussion. And in something called Common Wheel magazine, which I had never heard of before I saw this piece on my alma mater, Amherst College, which looks all New England e and cutesy and all the stuff you see the literature online, and you know it's one of the more elite liberal arts colleges. You know, that's write a little pat on the back there. Who cares? Well? Apparently I do, because I just brought

it up. But no I don't, But yes I do, But no I don't, But no, it's really a school that you would think has its feet on the ground based on the way it projects itself. But when I was there, it was already losing its mind, and now it has just completely gone wacko. There's a piece up on something called the Common Language Guide, the Common Language Guide, and this is from the Amirst College Office of Diversity

and Inclusion. Now Amerst only has eighteen hundred students and has an Office of Diversity and Inclusion staff of twenty people. There are twenty full time staffers whose only job is just to talk about diversity and inclusion at this school where there are only eighteen hundred students. To begin with the table, I gotta walk you through some of this. The table of contents. General terminology is ms race and ethnicity, gender and gender identity, sexual and romantic identity, class, politics

and policy, global power, and inequality and disability. This is fascinating and it is a very interesting look into the mind of the AOC far left Bernie Sanders esque wing

of the Democrat Party today. It lays out with surprising specificity terminology like accomplice, which I hadn't heard in this context before, and this is what it So, there's a term that the left, and some of this is I just want you to hear some of the left wing words that they are now using in order to win debate, to win discussion, and we are told that we should all use these as well. Ally is somebody who does

things the left likes. So if you are very pro and this is all covered in this Amherst College Common Language Guide, to keep in mind it's so Orwellian because this is uncommon language. This is terms that they've either changed the definition of or made up wholesale. So that brings me to things like ally, which is if you do things the left likes, you're an ally, you're one of the good people. Accomplice is one of the bad people.

This is quote a term coined by the Indigenous Action Network to critique the ways in which ally, as an identity term, has been deployed absence of action, accountability, or risk taking. There has been some critique of this because of its association with criminality, when many marginalized communities are viewed as already always criminal. Okay, let me unpack this a little bit. Or we're taking a drive down. We're going off the rails into left wing crazy train here.

That's what's happening. They are using this term now to indict people who take a position that is non active right or rather or refused to take a position the left likes. So think of it this way. If you oppose the left, you're a bad guy. But if you just won't do anything, if you won't be an ally to left wing causes, then you are an accomplice to I guess right wing bad people causes. Right. That's the

way they use this term. And their only problem with it is not that this will obviously be abused, but that the word accomplice kind of like some say the word thug has racial undertones. They're concerned that accomplice, because of its us the criminal use in the criminal justice system, has racial undertones. I don't know what to tell you, folks. This is it gets it gets crazier, it gets crazier. Here we go fragility, hegemony, horizontal violence, inclusion, intersectionality. Now

you'll hear me talk. This is kind of like the one oh one Progressive Action vocab deep dive. That's what we're really doing here. So if you listen to this and you go through this, maybe maybe it's worth listening to this part of the show More Than Once podcast at My Friends Intersectionality, you hear me talk about it.

Those who were like, what is that? Which is fine because I didn't know what intersectionality was until about two or three years ago, I think, and I'm somebody who likes to think of a pretty decent vocab Here's how they define. Intersectionality a term coined by Kimberly Crenshaw to name the intersections of multiple mutually reinforcing systems of oppression, power, and privilege. This was first used to describe the experiences

of black women in the legal system. Intersectional theorists look at how the individual experience is impacted by multiple axes of oppression and privilege. These forces compound and complicate one another. Microaggressions the verbal nonverbal indignities and denigrating messages targeting people of historically and presently marginalized backgrounds that communicate hostile, derogatory,

or negative slights and insults. The accumulation and frequency of such everyday occurrences can have a negative impact on the psychological, emotional, and physical well being of the person impacted. That's right, folks. Microaggressions, which the left beliefs can include and remember microaggressions added up are what creates intersectionality, which is the intersections of mutually reinforcing systems of oppression. Right, So intersectionality is the

oppression matrix. Think of it that way, like we're all in the matrix. Neo intersectionality is the oppression matrix, and microaggressions are in some cases the not just subtle but unintentional and unknowing infractions of intersectionality. According to the Left, like in fractions that add up to intersectionality. So you don't think necessarily what you're doing is wrong. If you say to somebody who has a really funky name and it is clearly not American based on their accent, hey

where are you from? You think that you're asking on a college campus. Hey, like you seem like you have a cool personal story, and I would like to establish some common ground with you as a human being who just respects and likes other human beings. So tell me where you're from, or tell me something about you, like you know where you grew up. Intersectionality and microaggression theory tells you how dare somebody assume that you are the other? You might say, well, hold on a second, their name

is really unusual and their accent is really unusual. It's a pretty good no. You can't make that get you don't know. You don't know they came from some other place, and you're by asking them if they come from somewhere else, you are other rising them. Now, I'm sure that they would not apply this logic to somebody who's like, my name is fence Fence and video rgger like that's fine because spens Fencing doesn't fit into intersectional oppression theory, and

therefore microaggressions against sence Fenson don't count. See what I'm doing where we're just we're really getting into how all this stuff, all this stuff ties together for the leftist. Then they got into their own definitions of oppression and prejudice and privilege and power and social identity and social justice, an anti oppression orientation to social and political organizations. That is the that is the definition that they use. Oh

do you do you think? Do you think that we are even a little bit done with this common common language guide? Folks? Does this all sound common? How many of you walk around? And I gosh, like, am I intersectional like microaggression theory that I'm reading? Right now. It's just like really upsetting me and I feel triggered. I need a safe space. You don't use any of those

words because you're you're not brainwashed by the left. They've created a whole separate way of speaking about reality that is steeped in a victim mindset, and that uses terms that not only signal to other people that they are part of the virtuous and good left, but that they use these terms because you're supposed to use them, and by using them, you are buying into the ideology. You know.

This is like, instead of saying the legal aliens, say undocumented, instead of saying political correctness, talk about intersectionality, and everybody's going to know what side of that issue you're on, which is that political correctness is not something we have to worry about. Then they get into the isms able ism, ageism, six cis, sexism, classism, ethnocentrism, eurocentrism, heterosexism, racism, sexism. They have an a guide two isms here. You cannot make

this stuff up, folks. This is and they're saying this is common. How many of you who have ever heard or said the word cis? I can't even read it. Cis sexism, which, if you're wondering, is the system of belief that cis gender individuals are the privileged class and are more natural, normal, or acceptable then transgender, gender, queer, nine bond, non binary, and or gender nonconforming. This belief manifests itself as the systematic denial of rights to trans

and non binary people and their routine mistreatment. So if you have any issue at all with transgender rights, or transgenderism or the transgender transgender agenda, say that ten times fast. You are a cis sexist who is admitting microaggressions in a system of intersectionality and are opposed to social justice and are therefore an accomplice instead of an ally. See we did. They're bringing it all together, bringing it all home.

There's more. The Amherst College president. Remember this is my college. I went here. I have very little affiliation with it. Now it has not gone on. Notice that they used to love to hear me talk about foreign policy to all the kids and invite me up there. And now no, I do not get invited up there. They do not want to hear from me because I'm conservative. Therefore it's it's like I'm the black sheep of the Amherst family. Now they pretend that I don't exist. They're not into

the buster. I want to tell you what happened though on campus, because this was so bizarre and so radical a document that the president took it down. But just do you think that Do you think it stopped their folks? Oh? No,

it goes on. Let's keep this deep dive going. So we're back talking about this college Common Language Guide that was put out that is really a piece by piece explanation that goes through the words you're supposed to use, the very politically charged and very specifically chosen and manufactured words and concepts that go along with them that favor

left wing, very progressive ideology. And here's a there's an analysis of it written by Rand Cooper, who's an also an Amerst alum, And this just gives you a sense of what this guide is like. Quote, reading the guide is like stumbling into a trade journal article where specialized language demarcates territory and warns off intruders, bristling with acronyms

and niche designations. It elaborates a system of identity via a profusion of phyla QTPoC af ab assigned female at birth FtM, mx x TX a response by trans folks who reject the terms FtM and MTF. I don't, folks, I don't even know what this stuff is, and I

read about this a fair amount. We wander into the internal gender politics squabbles, as when we learned that boy, a term describing a masculine presenting queer Black woman whose gender presentation can be more fluid and or androgynous than completely masculine, was purposely coined to be different from stud ag aggressive girl because of the rigid conformity to masculinity

in those communities. Meanwhile, TURF trans exclusionary radical feminist denotes feminists who reject trans women because they were once boys. While this view has been rejected by most queer and trans communities, the guide notes that TURF ideology still does infiltrate many women's spaces. End quote. I mean, I have no idea what the heck I just read to you, Okay, I mean, and I'm somebody who spends a fair amount of time trying to understand the left and leftist ideology,

and you know, trans exclusionary radical feminist. That is my first ever experience with that, which which yeah, that's the thing that we're talking about here. And then you get into some other stuff. I mean, this is there is a the common language guide, and this does feel very soviet in a way. Is the most uncommon language imaginable because it's it's made up. It's made up language. It's words that did not exist until about five minutes ago. And now we're in a situation where if you don't

use these terms, who don't understand these terms? You are? Who wants who come on class? Who's who knows what you are? Ah, yes, that's right. You are part of the problem because you, my friend, are an accomplice instead of an ally Dividing people in this way, it's a very very powerful tool to get social you know, social obedience. This author that wrote is Peace writes another basic problem

lies in its language. Amorous Guy defines social justice as a vision of the world where all people and can live and be perceived as fully human on all levels. But if this is the vision animating the document, then why does it sound so non human? Trapped in its

arid jargon, one thirst for something resembling living language. Instead, what we get is an endless proliferation of bureaucratic dicta and a roster of attitudes ordained by FIAT, and so it may have originated in a search for understanding intolerance devolves into a relentless categorization of human experience, driven by a nearly compulsive preoccupation with the ways people can and wound one another. Yeah, this is language that I have to say, is meant to shut down debate. That's what's

so fascinating about this. This is language that if you use it, you are essentially waiving. The white flag was out a microaggression. I don't know, can I say white flag not clear? If you embrace the terminology, you are accepting all that goes into it. If you don't understand or reject the terminology, then you're part of a problem. This was so orwelly in and out of control that the president of Amherst College, Carolyn Martin, who might I can't say I know or have met. The former president

Amerge used to be Marks was his last name. I kid you not, and President Marks at my college graduation told all of us instead of Hey, great job, guys, here's some advice for the future. That Amherst was not living up to its social justice obligations because while you guys got to go here, a lot of people with less economic means did not, So we need to take

in more poor people who don't pay. It's a great thing to say to a whole bunch of people whose families and the students with massive student loans and families that really, in many cases took quite a hit struggle to pay for the tuition. But Carolyn Martin initially took it down. This common language guide from Ambers College, where you get all the different left wing jargon jammed into

one document. She took it down. She said that this is not something that is going to representative of where the school should be ideologically, and you know, she had some problems with it, at least the way it was presented. Rock and roll, fellow patriots, we made ours go up to eleven. It's time for roll call, indeed Friday roll call, which is bittersweet because bitter sweet symphony. That's life is what we have to handle right now. Trying to make

some money, trying to sell some something. Then you die. I don't, I forget what the you know what I'm talking about, Mark, It's a good song. Everybody who's my age secretly loves Bitter Sweet Symphony. Right, yeah, fun fact about that song or not so fun, depending on who you are. They sampled some Rolling Stones music in it without giving any legal attribution or payment, and so the you know, the Rolling Stones actually own the rights to

that song. Isn't that pretty crazy? As if the Rolling Stones need the cash, But you mess with the Stones, you get the rock sun. So they do it all right. Let's see here we have a first up well that is long Buck after three years, is from Thomas of ever escalating invasion of our southern border. Don't you think it is time we get some direct, real answers from the intransigent progressives, simply yes or no answers like the ones always insisted on by these snobs at these oversight

interrogation hearings. Does the US have or not have active embassies in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Mexico? Yes or no? Does the immigration law specify that anyone requesting refugee or a silent status apply at the nearest embassy or consulate?

Yes or no? Would it not be less of an encumbrance an expense to transport a dozen lawyers to each of those countries to process applications for refugee or asylum status rather than have ten thousand of them illegally lawyering in our country awaiting status determination, yes or no. Where is the benefit of having thirty five million illegals in this country absorbing benefits intended for actual US citizens? Why are we spending US tax payermoney on third world countries

that refuse to cooperate with our laws? What is the purpose of having foreign embassies and consults of citizens of foreign countries refuse to comply, etc. Thomas very interesting thoughts and analysis here. The difference between a asylum claim and a refugee claim, I believe is that asylum claims happen inside the United States, so you get into you get to America and say I want asylum. Refugees apply externally to US borders, So that is an important distinction. Brian

writes Buck good opening on Rising today on Biden's run. Wow, somebody who is part of team Buck who watches Rising? That's that's always fun. Why is nobody on either side of the media game talking about Biden and his son along with then Secretary of State John Kerry and his stepson's blatant corruption in Ukraine and China some seriously messed up stuff that Glenn Beck went into detail on last week. Week. No one is picking up on it on any network

outside the Blaze. Well, I can tell you, actually, my my colleague John Solomon has broken some big stories on this one. John has been on the forefront of it. So yes, indeed, my colleague John Solomon and the executive director for Digital to Hill. He has been really the one pushing this story. And I think Glenn probably picked up on some of his reporting. But Brian, we talk about it here on the show. You know, I should have John on probably next week. Maybe I'll do that.

Maybe you've given me quite an idea, my friend. I like it. I like it like that, Yeah, baby, I like it like that. You guys remember that. I get so, I get so. I like it. Like Mark, that is not quite as good of a song, But I refuse to believe that you have never had a few shots off to kill it too many and swayed those hips. My friend, Maybe not to that song, but I've done that all right, fair enough, fine, be that way. Corey rights the chief from the classic Beverly Hills cop that's

the quote. Wow, look at you. There's just the man who wrecked the buffet at the Harrow Club this morning, who disabled an unmarked unit with a banana. You must be the pride of your department. If you go listen to that on the YouTube or something, you're gonna say, Wow, Buck Sexton really does sound like that crotchety old police commissioner. You will say that that will be how you feel. Podcast listener just heard the Beverly Hills cop quote Brian

Original Saturday Squad. All right, so a lot of you owen. Yes, I got the Beverly Hills cop reference from Thursday's show, just playing it on Google Play. All right, but alright, alright you guys. You know you guys got me here, But savor the flavor. It's not gonna happen again. Well, actually know it probably will happen again. TJ rites ps. Dan Bongino had your rising clip on his podcast this morning. Ye ye, M I gotta I gotta tell you guys something.

Dan Bongino has always been a super nice and stand up guy to be in this business. And there are not that many people that I could say that I've interacted with who have gone out of their way to be helpful, and you know they're being helpful. So I'm a I really am a big Dan Bongino supporter. I think he's a great dude, and I think it's really cool to see him have a I mean, he's at a breakout in the last twelve or eighteen months where he's really now built built a Dan Bongino empire, and

I'm happy for him. And he's a great dude, and he has been a behind the scenes friend to Team Buck for for years now. Oh and also DJ wrote this Buck, go ahead and tell Jamal that his new nickname for Elizabeth Warren e Ubs is lame. She should just embrace Pokahonas instead. Her path the nomination just around the Riverband? Huh huh, well, okay, um hmmm. I don't know if that's gonna work, my friend, I don't know what just around? Oh? Is that? Is that from the

movie Pocahontas? Mark fact check? Is that from Just Around the Riverband? Is that from like Pocahonas? I'm in kind of a singing mood today, all right, Taylor Beverly Hills cop reference, Jeremy Beverly Hills cop reference. All right, all right, you guys, Yeah, yeah, you got me. I gotta make a little harder for this team. The movie quotes, the sly movie quotes maybe aren't sly enough. That is from Pokahontas.

It is from Pocahonas. Just google. I just always know that one that's like, can you sing with all the voices of the mountain? I'm like, I don't think the mountain has voices, and I don't think the wind has colors with which one can paint. So to paint with all the colors of the wind, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. Pokehontas, maybe write some lyrics

that makes just putting that out there. Jeremy also writes Mayor Bill Deblasio, proposing a green new Deal and regulations for NYC and hearing about Connecticut's unreasonably high taxes further reinforces my choice to live in the middle of the country. I think you should consider moving off the coast and inland, where your dream four hundred square foot apartment will cost about the same as your cell phone bill versus the cost of a kidney in DC. Just food for thought.

Shields high, Jeremy, if we can set up a major media hub where I can find gainful employment in the middle of the country. That sounds great to me. In the meantime, Unfortunately, I gotta I gotta be where the jobs are for somebody in my business, and that tends to be New York and DC. If you're gonna do politics, Kimberly, I'm not usually one to fuss, but I'm making an exception the podcast. Your voice is so low. I had the volume up in twenty six. Still love you, bunches,

Oss Kimberly. Well, Kimberly, I don't think that was a problem for everybody, so it might just be your setup. I can't tell you yeah, your nay, but I haven't heard that from it. Usually when I get three or four complaints about podcast issue, volume or something, that's usually on our end. But if it's just one I've only seen one today, then it's usually on somebody else. Although Glenn just wrote in here here we go, Glenn, Hey, podcast listener, I heard you talking about the Avengers movie.

I wanted to point out that every time I see the movie Captain America Winter Soldier, I can't help but think how the bad guys Hydra are a textbook definition of the Democrat Party. They want to eliminate all conservative and potential opposition with their warships. Ask Mark if he made that connection, Mark, did you make that connection? I try to separate politics in my fun movies, so no, I don't think of it that way. That's probably a smart move, dude, you know, because see I have this

thing where I try to do that as well. But if somebody really goes out there as a actor and says just crazy, annoying things, I can't I don't know. I can't always let it go, you know. I wish I was better with that, but I'm certain actors kind of I mean, Tim Robbins for a while was just insufferable. Oh my friend with the chihuahua that tries to pee on my foot during the interview, Alissa Milano, that's right, that chihuahua. It smelled conservative on me and tried to

replace it with some other smell. That's what happens. I don't remember his name. He was a decrepit little chiuaua, not quite as decrepit as the docks in with the bad back that tried to bite my face off at the baby shower in New Jersey. Story that many of you have heard perhaps a story I'll have to tell you another time. It's just an important safety tip for

all of you. Just because a dog looks decrepit and super old doesn't mean without knowing the dog or the getting the owner's permission, you should try to lift it up like a baby near your face. It is a bad move, even with a docsent looks like it could have a heart attack at any moment. It is not smart. That's what I'm here for to keep you guys safe. Thomas, I agree with you. The Avengers Superhero. A lot of movies are subpar at best. I try to like them.

I just can't do it. Shields High, I mean, Thomas, to me, the Avenger movie, it's like all this you know, noise and you're whoo and all these guys flying around ohoo, and all this stuff that's going on, and yeah, there's not a lot beyond that, you know, it's just it's and it's always I feel like the movie always ends

the same way. There's just a lot of you know, the Earth is gonna end, but then there's all these people flying around or monsters or something, and the Avengers and Hulk is like Hulk strong and like grabs them thing and smash Hulk smash, and then you got Iron Man who's shooting ray guns out of his hands, out of his out of his you know wherever. Julian, Beverly Hills Cop, you are correct, not a bad impression either,

Thank you, Julian. I think that. I think that Beverly Hills Cop commissioner impression is one of my one of my sleepers, one of my better ones. Wayne Buck love the beard. Thank you so much. Wayne. I appreciate it. You know, people are very they're very It's interesting because I've never been personally subject to this before. They're either really into the beard or they're like shave. Now. There's not a lot of middle ground from the folks that

I know in life. So that's the thing. Oh it's Friday, so we've got double roll call. Remember Facebook dot com slash buck Sexton. If you want to be a part of the roll call action, that is the way to do it. You can just write it on Facebook and I always loving people go I don't know if this is the right place, but I'm gonna write. Trust me, if you're writing me a Facebook message at Facebook dot com slashbuck Sexton, it's the right place. I believe my friend Rahim Kasam is going to be in for me

on Monday. I'm taking a couple of days of R and R, which I'm very much looking forward to. Hopefully you get some sunshine. But not time for that quite yet. We got a little more roll call on the flip side. Stay with me, seeing Buck, it's time for rollball. It is time for the role call. The best call is the role call. I guess this is the second role call, so maybe I shouldn't be quite as excited, but I get excited. Folks. I like to hear from all of you. Harry sent me a link that I cannot read on

air because it's a link. Roger Buck, my question should have been more clear the leftist catterwall about student loan debt and how college should be free. How is it fair for some to risk their lives to earn their college education while others do nothing? Shields high. Now, Roger's a very good point, you know. I mean, the GI bill is earned. The GI Bill is the American people fulfilling their end of a contract with our brave men and women who serve this country in the military. Right,

That's that's an earned thing. That's not a giveaway. That's you know, I give you money, you give me apples. Right, This is a transaction, and if you don't give somebody money for their apples, that's not good. We owe this to those who served. That's a different thing than people saying, wow, I just think it'd be nice to give free college to folks. Victor Or as hey Buck not familiar with the Mormon faith, ay, I recommend going to see the Book of Mormon on Broadway. It'll tell you everything you

need to know. Plus it's absolutely the funniest thing I've seen since Team America World Police. I'm sure their temples are swell. Still no comparison to European Catholic cathedrals and churches. Shields High. Love you, Victor. Victor, I can tell you I did see the Book of Mormon, and I remember when my former boss and now longtime friend and mister Glenn Beck saw the Book of Mormon, and I remember hearing them talk about it a bit. I thought it was a little profane. I thought it was a little

there was a little too much cursing for me. I mean, I'm not somebody who is proof, but I do think that there there are some limits, and I didn't love it as much as a lot of other people. So there is that. Mary writes, I just fell in love with you, Billy, I mean Buck. Oh Mary, look at you with your own Beverly Hills Cop quote throwing that my way. I like it, Mary, I wish your show would do a special investigative report on members of Congress who owe the i RS tax money and are behind

on their payments. Mary. I like that you're coming up with ideas for the show, but I gotta tell you, I don't know if that one specifically is gonna turn out the masses. If you know what I mean, David, I'm not gonna fall for the banana the tailpipe, Rosewood. Keep up the great work. Buck, You guys really, I got a lot of Beverly Hills Cop fans in this audience. Look at that dude, you guys. Uh yeah, there you go. Katie writes, you are a talented analyst and talk show host.

Please don't sing man who let the dogs out? Oh oh sorry, Katie, I know it's terrible. It's terrible. I should code read myself. Let's see Pablo rights, Buck, it was funny when you said that Biden should do the opposite. An hour prior to that, I just watched the Seinfeld episode the opposite. Biden could run on that premise alone. He could give it a good run. Shield side. Thanks, Pablo.

I gotta tell you, if you're talking about foreign policy and you do whatever the opposite is of whatever Joe Biden wants you to do, you're gonna be in real good shape. You know, you're you're gonna you're gonna be right a lot more than you're wrong. So yeah, that's an important one. Jonathan writes, When you were at the border, did anyone ever mention the correlation between the surgeon caravan numbers and the surge and the drug a drug epidemic.

I read in the Washingtimes the cartels are using the caravans as a distraction all the border patrols overwhelmed doing humanitarian work. The cartels sneak through their stuff, an age old military tactic where you offer a diversion while the real job is being done. In fact, to be stupid for the cartels not to do it, Jonathan, the cartels one hundred percent are doing that. I know they're doing that. Border patrol told me they're doing that. It happens on

a regular basis. They know what's happened. There's nothing they can do about it, though. They have to process. If they get three hundred people to turn themselves in at once in the border, they have to process. They have to check them for medical issues. They have to take them the hospital if need be. They got to get them food. They can't say, oh, no, we see a truck two miles down, We got to stop and leave

you guys alone here. And no, if they leave them alone, guess what then they can just run into the country. So that's not how it works anyway. Thank you so much team for joining me here on this fantastic freestyle Friday. I will be talking to you all on Tuesday. Please tell somebody about the show this weekend. Be like, hey, listen to this guy on podcast, Buck Sexton. He's kind of fun sometimes, except when he sings Shield's Eye.