Coulter Slams Biden’s Border as America’s #1 Problem

first guest, and Coulter. She has written thirteen New York Times bestsellers, including a number of number one bestsellers. You know her from well all of her appearances on TV, from her fierce Twitter game, and of course because she is the one and only end Coulter. Miss Coulter, thank you for being with us. Appreciate you and sub sec that's how you know. Oh now, how does every subscribe to your substack? And well, thank you for asking Buck

Sexton and Coulter dot subsack dot com. That's the place you can get a culture, unfiltered no ads. Well maybe here tonight with you, Buck, here we go fantastic yes, so and tell me some things here first and foremost, what is top of mind for you in the country right now if you could fix let's start with that and fix one thing for me in America. What would it be. We need a big, beautiful wall. I was promised a big beautiful wall. But I mean, seriously, there's

a reason. That's what carried this buffoon, Donald Trump to president in two thousand sixteen. Whether or not the talking heads appreciated or the New York Times appreciated, Americans voted for the big beautiful wall. And we're seeing under Biden the problem with him not having built that wall. Estimates are I mean, they've caught and released more than two million illegals. The estimates go up to five million only

since Biden has been president. And I mean, there are a lot of reasons not to like that with it's going to be suppressing, hurting the least among us those low wage workers who actually, surprisingly I will admit, didn't pretty well under Trump. Why because you know, with these temporary measures and a lot of it was just his rhetoric. He scared off illegals from trying to come based on the campaign, and then after you know, he was in office for about a year they realized he's not doing anything.

We let's go back. But for the there's cultural reasons to care about this. We are the greatest country in the world and we do have So can I ask you this in because you've been you were the original on the argument here for well, first I mean first secure border that involved a wall, and in fact, Trump I believe early on was even telling people that he read Audios America, your book, and that this is where

the idea for this largely largely came from. So I've been down to the border a bunch of times, no question, and I love this argument with libs. I've had it

with them and they always get very, very frustrated. A wall helps And if you talk to border patrol, they'll say it absolutely is helpful because even in areas where the wall doesn't exist, there's fewer sorry, they can have fewer resources where they have no you know, where they have a wall versus where they have no wall, right, so they can kind of focus in on the high traffic areas of drugs. A high traffic problem though we got even if we had a wall, they are surrendering.

This is what's going. So I want to know how we deal with that issue because people are showing up. The wall stops the drug traffickers, the single male migrants. When I say stops, you know, makes it harder for them, right, and makes border patrol's job easier. But you have family units that show up to the border wall or anywhere and essentially walk in and they say, hey, here, I

am right. So and even in a wall situation, they go to a port of entry, they go to areas where you know, the wall isn't that big, they go over it, and now they say, I want asylum in your country. So what do we do about that? Well, we invent a time machine. We go back and make up keeper's promises to things about what you just said. Yeah, of course they're they're going to be some entry points, but we want a big wall across the entire border,

not the thirty three miles that Trump built. I do not think that if he had kept his promise, Biden would have come in, and a Biden wouldn't have come in. Trump would have won reelection if he had kept his promises. But moreover, even if even if a Democrat didn't come in, they're not going to rip down a wall. It took you know, like the Great Chinese Wall or the Great

Wall of China. That's why we want a wall, because different administrations are going to have different policies and as long as the border is open, and it's just a matter of well, does the president want to protect American jobs or doesn't he want to protect American jobs? And part of what the Democrats just hauling the millions upon millions of illegals. In part of it is just a

response to Trump. We were always worried about that that he can, on one hand, even back down, but he was so borish about making the points from Adios America and I don't need exactly make them in a Marquis to Queensberry's way, but he took it to another level, that whole Mexican rapist thing. Oh it's in my book, but I would have phrased it slightly differently as I did.

And the reaction to Trump was was so the concern was he could end up making it worse and destroying these issues that a lot of people like but lots of others have been working on for years and caring about in the American people here about and I think we've seen that with the whole Democratic Party. If Trump was for it, we are against what Biden is doing

at the border. Obomb would never have done. This is a This is an open border, I mean, right, if we're being honest about it, they're doing everything they can to make sure as many people as possible can stay at this point, and there's no interior enforcement. I mean, it has been funny. I'm sure you've seen the clips. These are real lips. We're not. This is not a joke in the sense that we're making this up. There are migrants who show up and they say I'm here

because of Joe Biden. Right, they mean they're showing up and they're straight up saying, oh no, the cartels have told me this is a great time to get here because of Joe Biden. Yes, and two other things. I was going to mentionure in addition to changing the culture and really being very harmful to low wage workers, perhaps we should care about low wage workers. The other reason the Democrats I am a reaction Trump. The other reason the Democrats want this is manifestly because they want Third

worlders to become US citizens and start voting. And what effects will that have? Oh, Republicans keep telling me that Hispanics, they're natural Republicans, natural Republicans. Well, oh my gosh, what happened to California. I had a young kid. I'm starting

to a young kid this weekend. He was saying, I just don't understand why Californians vote for Gavin Newsom, because it's plurality Hispanic now and Hispanics may not like the trans stuff if you pass film, they may not like the abortion stuff, but they want welfare, they want the government aid, and they know they're going to get that from the Democrats. So the state that once gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, you couldn't get elected dog

catcher in California right now. And I mean, it's completely insane the things that Gavin Newsom is doing in California. I kind of hope that the Democrats do move Biden aside. Well be careful what you wish for, yea, But I don't think the rest of the country is ready for Gavin Newsom. Did you see Eric Adams? I always want

someone to explain this to me. Eric Adams is the mayor of New York City, and I would I would add not a good one just in case anyone's wondering, we were supposed to be, Oh, he's going to clean up all the streets and the problems that. No, no, that's actually not correct. But anyway, and it's really I think because a lot of entrenched interests from the Democrat machine in the City of New York are just no longer.

If people knew what's really going on in the District Attorney's office and the woke loo to ticks who are the rank and file in places like that, now, they would they would flee for places where you could go, you know, off grid and uh and you know, may be sure that they had access to their own fresh drinking water. But he went to the southern border, and I think it's fascinating because he's there and migrants that he met with said, oh, we hear you take great care of us in New York, so we want to

go to New York. So you're an al Paso, you're an illegal migrant. You're saying, well, I want to go to New York City. Meanwhile, New York City's mayor is also telling everybody, we can't afford the illegal migrants anymore. The city of Viewer can't afford them now. I just think this is so interesting because I thought we weren't allowed to say that they were a drain on public resources. Well, when when did we just stop to when did we

skip to all of a sudden legal migrants are really expensive? Right? No? And I mean it does. I think it ought to remind people what a total hero and genius the governor of Florida is, Ron de Santos. That Martha's vineyard stunt was the most brilliant political stunt. That's what real media calls it, stunt, the most brilliant political stunt of my lifetime. Now you have the very very very progressive gay governor of Colorado doing the exact same thing. He's sending his

illegals to New York. And suddenly these liberal states that in this home we believe, suddenly they get they get a look at what it's like having the Third World dumped in their towns and cities and schools and hospitals, and not so himp to it. Now, one other thing I wanted to mention before the moment passes. Obviously, I love our border security guards. They're the last people you want to check with on what's needed at the border.

This used to drive me crazy when Trump would do it. Well, I've talked to them, and you see, it's very important. They want a wall they can see through. No, you don't check with the people whose job will be made obsolete by a big, beautiful wall. No, no no, no, we can have breaks in it here. It don't just be easier for us here. And look, I love them, but everyone is like this. You don't want something that's going

to replace your job. You don't want. I mean you've probably seen but and I mean even so, I've still even even the double fence for example, people people do so so the border patrol guys, when when I've spoken them about, I've seen illegals crossing. I've seen the whole thing happen in real time. It's not hard because it's happening constantly, thousands and thousands of people a day, and because of the fence, they're slowed down. But there's always

gonna be ways to get through. I mean, so I'm saying you're gonna need you need border patrol even with the wall. Right, Like if you have a if you have a moat and a high wall at your castle, you'll still need knights to defend the castle. Otherwise, you know, there's no such thing as a wall that's going to do the job entirely for it saying they will be completely gone. But that's not that they are not experts on how to keep people out of your country. You

know who are experts. Israel is an expert. Check with them on their wall. The first year they put it up illegal in ration one down by I believe ninety percent. It may be more than ninety percent. That wasn't good enough for Israel. So their wall goes deep, deep, deep into the ground. Yes, they still have security guards and by the way, they have detention cells. I mean they have military. It's a military I've been to that border wall. It's a militarized border full on. Yep. Well maybe we

should have them running our border checks. Put the Saudiast, by the way, are building a big fence too along quite militarized, I'm sure, along with the YEMENI So not the first time or the last time these sorts of things have been happening. There's a big one that I know of in China. There's a pretty famous one in the northern England as well. So you know, walls, walls

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the little um like the little slippers. The slippers are great, although less need for them in Miami these days than I had in New York, right because you know, feet are a little bit less cold, but I still love them. So, you know how, there's this big thing about the speaker of the house. I want to ask you something, you know how these things there was all this bruha. However, who the Speaker of the House is going to be. There's a part of me that was amazed at what

seemed like people caring so much about this. And I kept trying to generally tell everybody doesn't gonna affect your life at all. Is there a way we can start to tell people things like, hey, there are things to be fired up about, Like I think people should be much more fired up about. How, you know, fentonyl not to go back to the border thing, but fentyl is a drug scourge that is far worse than anything we've ever seen. In this country, and yet it's like not

something that's focused on the news. Meanwhile, the news focused on the Speaker of the House issue with McCart Like, what do you make of all that? Did you? Did you care? Does it matter? Will it matter? My advice is cut the cord, don't watch cable. I think we're the only ones care. I generally have MSNBC on in the background just so I can monitor the enemy. But

it's been pretty much January sixth. Oh there's and there was UK Crane for a while, and there's been one exciting new story that representative of Santos as at George Santos know their cover and that like January sixth and for the speaker vote. But then you would, you'd you'd go out on the street and talk to normal people, and no one, absolutely no one cared. Now as a political you know, nut as we are, and probably a lot of a lot of your listeners and my readers are.

I actually think it was a great thing. I think they got a lot of good concessions out of McCarthy. I think they're a lot of great Republicans. There are a few things that were stupid about it, but by and large, I mean, we ended up avoiding having Dan Crenshaw as head of Homeland Committee in the House. That's a good thing right there, And it's sort of it's always good to scare Republican politicians, especially Republican politicians who have been there for a while, the ones who would

like to go establishment. Listen to the donors. Give them a good scare every once in a while. Yeah, brush back pitch. I think I've learned a lot of sports from Clay by the way we talk about these things now, you know, I'm sort of like, yeah, that's a that's I can't even think of anything off the top of my head now, but that's a sports thing that people get excited about. But a brush back pitch, that's one that I know now, which I think is important for

some Republicans, especially of the more establishment variety. What happened in your mind in the midterm election? What was the issue? Because I've started to see now finally I think people recognizing that there were some big problems. I know it was a few months ago, but I think I got a bit of your analysis. I wanted to hear a little more of what you think went down. Well, I think too many people in the Republican Party, conservative media donors.

I think, as I've been trying to advise them, they've just been too afraid of Trump, and they were too what did to Trump? We have to run a candidate who was sucking up to Trump. We have to earn well. He's saying, you have to make the number one issue of the twenty twenty election, and he's a paper tiger. They shouldn't have done that. Republicans who were not wedded

and beholden to Trump, I think did reasonably well. I mean Blake Masters when I saw his debate with Mark Kelly that was in Arizona, the astronaut incumbent Democrat running against this Blake Masters backed heavily by Silicon Valley's Peter Teel. When I saw that debate, I thought, oh my gosh, Blake Masters is the smartest guy, perhaps who has ever run for the United States Center. He was so good,

so good. And then two days before the election, it's all over the Internet and Fox News Blake getting a call from Donald's Trump and acting like he's a teenage girl talking to Justin Bieber. He's calling me, He's calling me, and what is Trump haranguing him about you're not making twenty twenty then number one election when Trump showed up in Ohio and I love JD. Vanton he showed up

in Ohio, I don't know. The day before the election held people working for Jdvans saying if I lived in Ohio, I've been voting against Jdvans just because of this speech. This is just get away from him. He won the nomination run on your own two feet, and so obviously that I'm not alone in that analysis the Trump Act candidates and the ones that ended up winning nominations because people were afraid, oh, but what if we don't get the Trump voters? What if we don't get the Trump voters?

And the other issue. So Trump was a total disaster for the mid terms, and I think luckily people have seen that now, so it won't we hopefully won't have the same thing happened in presidential Asia and the other one. You know. I've been pro life pretty much my whole life. I've written articles on it in the Human Life Review back when I was practicing law. I've had debates on it at Ivy League campuses. I am pro life. I

think it was stupid for some of these states. I mean the most one of the most important things is getting rid of the monstrosity of Roe v. Wade and the idea that this really terrible thing, an abortion, is a constitutional right, that that's what our framers we're thinking of. Okay, so yea, we won pop Champagne. It goes back to the states, and I think most of the states again I will credit run to Santas and Florida and a

lot of states did this. Republicans just jumped in and said abortions for the first would vary twelve weeks, seven weeks, fifteen weeks, sixteen weeks, and that's it, and that's it. And that seems after looking at the internal election, that seems to be the consensus position. And I don't think it's hypocritical for pro lifers or Republicans to take that position. You can say I would never have an abortion. I would counsel anyone in my family or anyone anyone I

could talk to don't have an abortion. But you're talking about a law that probably would would. I mean, it's hard to say this is a human life and this isn't a crime. There's got to be a penalty, there's got to be a fine. There could be, as one of Trump's candidates was suggesting a murder charge for the woman.

I mean, there's got to be something. And I think people who are even pro life are saying, I don't want the law to say that though I wouldn't have an abortion, and I do think this is a human life, and Republicans have got to stop doing I mean some of these states and some of the bills, No, it's a life from the moment of conception, and will prosecute the woman for for murder? I mean it becomes sometimes Republicans. We saw this a lot with the Tea Party, and I think we saw it too much of it in

the midterms. And that is this idea, I mean, this Todd Aiken thing of you know, watch this, I'm gonna I'm gonna make the basket from over my shoulder. No, don't show off to the zealots. We're trying to save a country here. Who could save the country. I mean we were just talking a second ago about obviously Trump, which just so you know, whenever you do, you get

I get all the emails that are agree. I'm like, I'm not Ann's keeper, Like I don't know what to tell peof I'm not in charge of the culture flame when it starts. You know, it's amazing to be because I just I want your viewers to know Buck Sexton is my keeper. If you have complaints, email Buck. I mean they do, They're like, how dare you have that? Wo?

But I'm like, first of all, like, if we're gonna talk about people's credentials, uh, and you know and and I know each other personally, people's credentials and conservative movement, there has to be a level at which one's conservatism is not a thing that we're going to really sort of question anymore based on a political candidate or whatever.

I would think that we could get there at some point because people are like, she's become a she's become a liberal, and I'm like, no, no, she's definitely definitely hasn't become a liberal. I get those angry emails, but who can Okay, So if it's I don't want to ask you what if it is Trump, because I know you think and and I have a bet for full disclosure, you think that there's just no way, like, there's no

way it's gonna be Trump this go round. I don't think there's a. I mean, I think it's a fifty fifty shot that that's gonna be Trump this time round. I think it's gonna be Trump or De Santists. That's my that's my guess. And so I might be in this position where I'm like, better Trump than the Commies. Right, we could all agree on that, sou because then we to lose in the Commies will have eight years to destroy our country instead of for well, I mean, they're

they're gonna win one way or the other. I figure, right, I mean, it's it's unfortunate, but I think I think there's a Democrat beat De Santist. I don't think there is a Democrat who could not beat Trump. I do think that Democrats desperately want to run against Donald Trump. To that end, I have to ask you m the theory that's out there right now about the classified documents thing. This is another area, by the way, because you know, when I was in the CIA, we were just the

classified documents stuff. It's so, I mean, just everything is classified. Like the sandwich that I had, uh you know, three weeks ago, is classified. Everything is classified. Everything is going to help China defeat us in the nuclear war. That's coming. It's really it gets a little bit crazy that all said this theory that they're trying to get rid of Biden with this. I think that the simple answer is usually I'm an Okham's razor guy. I think the simple

answer is usually the better answer. I think Joe Biden is a reckless dumbass, and that is the situation with the documents. I don't think there's some grand conspiracy. Do you think there's a conspiracy? I don't know. No, no, no. I think this is probably because there are so many actual conspiracies against right wingers. I do think Republicans and even friends of mine can be a little too conspiracy minded. They may end up shiving Biden. It could happen, and

you're gonna know what happens. It's not gonna be this bank shot with the class of odgers. No. I think the only reason they're acting like this, Oh, we're taking this very seriously is because they've just done it to Trump. And I totally agree with you. I didn't think it was a big deal with Trump. Of the three cases, Hillary Clint hoarding classified documents and having her private emails, Biden ending up with these classified doctors no, we don't

know what's in them. And the Trump one, I think the only one that was probably pretty serious was the Hillary variousness. I think she was hiding what she was doing from Obama. But those are those are documents that belonged to the American people. And to be destroying her

email server, no, that is all nefarious. Yeah, she was trying to evade FOYA basically because a State Department personnel have unclassified email and you can send, so you can send somebody you know at State dot gov or whatever, and all it takes is one one of the multi million dollar like Saudi or Chinese or you name it donors to the Clinton Global Initiative to be like, hey, I wrote you a big check, I demand a meeting, Like all it takes is one of those or somebody

to say the wrong thing, and all of a sudden that because they were running a huge influence peddling scam. I mean, I I remember I was at CNN in the days when that was all being talked about, and for one, they were I mean actually mocking the idea that there was anything classified in her emails when I would talk about that, which was pretty funny. And then also mocking the idea that the Clintons had what was

it they had raised? I can't even remember the number at this point, but I mean they made a hundred million dollars basically giving speeches and ghostwriting books. Nobody in you know this business very well, nobody makes one hundred million dollars in a matter of whatever it was, you know, ten years by giving speak giving speeches, and getting a couple of books ghosts written. That doesn't one hundred million. And now that she's not president, I think the donations

have really gone to kind of a trickle. They shut down the Clinton Global Initiative in twenty seventeen and like six months, and they didn't even really wait very long on it. They kind of went for it right right away. So if it is not can I ask you this one. If it's if it's not Biden, who's the scariest candidate that Republicans could face in terms of obviously being able

to win. That's a good question. I do think the Democrats are in trouble, which is why I really hope it's to Sciantis because the country is barely hanging on by its fingernails right now, and to Santis is certainly at this point, unquestionably our strongest candidate. I think the Democrats are really other than I mean, this is why they're bringing in all these third worlders to vote for them in the years to come. Doesn't matter in California,

they'll elect a nut like Gavin Newsom. Get ready for that. America. But if there are still enough sane people or you know, slash actual Americans voting in this country, I think the Democrats are in trouble because once they get rid of you know, their senile dementia patients, you're getting down pretty quickly to the woke progressive Ilhan Omars, who is a respectable Democrat or that could win a primary? There are a few, but they couldn't possibly win a Democratic primary?

What about Yuncan, Nicky Haley, Christy Nome? Trying to think who else has already been talked about, as I don't know who else thinks that they'd be running on the Republican side. Are any of them in your mind serious serious possibilities? No, you forgot the warmonger under Trump Pompeio. I thought you're talking about the guy with the mustache Bolton,

because he's apparently running That would be fantastic. I do hope they all run, because the danger would be as if you had except I really think De Santis is kind of standing on his own without much competition. But I would like all of the warmongery will do nothing about immigration, utterly useless Rhino Republicans. I'd love for a lot of them to run. I'd love for a lot of them to get stumps down on the one Republican, my second favorite Republican in the country and the one

I would like De Santis to picus. His vice president is Glenn Yuncan of Virginia. I think he's alrey good observing him, Yeah, he's been very good so far too. Is there anyone else on the GOP side, even in Congress that you you find yourself more often than not pleased with and giving giving all due kudos too for their work. Is there anyone else who sticks out as yes? Yes? Well, and one more governor I'll mention Greg Genfors of Montana's he's been on fire. Kudos to him. That there's another

governor I forget her name. There's some great senators. Holly is one of is one of my favorites, and I and I kind of had a prejudice against him because of that, I shouldn't even mention it. I love him, but that's silly. Raised for salute to the January six protesters. I thought he looked really really he looked like David Hogg, and so I was sort of against him for about a week. But oh my gosh, he's good. And what his objection waters was good. You know. One of the

things that came up. One of the things I love about him. Whatever you're saying, Oh, why does in Congress do this? Why don't the Center do this? You look into it. Oh, yeah, somebody's introduced a bill to do that. It's Josh Holly. Look, it's Josh Holly again. So there was some news I guess this week. Ron de Santis has stopped a bunch of illegal aliens landing on the shore of Florida, and some immigration hawks have said, yeah, he stopped them, but he's not deporting them. Well, governors

can't deport illegals. All they can do is make it really uncomfortable for them. All they can do is detain them. All they can do is hold the for ice. They can't deport illegals. Guess who was introduced to bill that would allow governors to deport illegals. Josh Holly. Interesting. I would just add to your point about the Florida illegals

arriving situation. The Biden White House initially put out some statement or I think it was directly from the Biden wet House like Kree Jean Pierre, that was criticizing this, that it was like showboating that DeSantis was doing until they found out that there was actually a request from Ice for the National Guard to help, So they were, I mean, sorry for the Florida National Guard to a sis. So it wasn't like he was going above and beyond

his mandate. He was actually responding to request for assistance. You mentioned Montana, though, I have to ask you because I want to I want to get beyond just the usual usual red meat of politics with miss Coulter. While we've got her here. Do you watch Yellowstone? And what do you think if you do? Are you a watcher? I'm I'm sort of horrified to admit that I have. I've not seen it yet, but that is the show that all my friends keep telling me, you gotta watch,

you gotta watch, you gotta watch. But I think I need to start at the beginning, right, I think you have to get past the fact that you know, Bozeman is apparently like Baghdad. There's just m fors and guys, you know, banging it out on the street corners firing each other all the time. There's a little bit of a little bit of Hollywood license taken with these ranchers. But but it is super entertaining. I mean it's a it's a huge show, like seventeen mill people. I think

will last watch the fifth season premiere? What do What are you? Is there anything you're watching these days? With Carrie? I end up watching um when when it's time, when I just wanted to, like, have you know, quiet time? If we put on the Crown, She's asleep in five minutes. But everyone else seems to love that show. I think I'd probably be asleep, which is why I haven't started to watch it. What do you watch? Are you really

just watching it? And if you're watching MSNBC, you have to give us is anything on MSNBC worth watching other than enjoy read? Who does have an honestly an amazing ability And I say that and it inspires amazement that she can turn anything like our conversation about do you watch Yellowstone End can actually turn into some kind of monologue on race and racism in America today. I don't know how, but she could do it. Oh no, that is totally proof of your and my white supremacy. Oh yeah,

to be fair, I haven't. I can't even I can't watch MSNBC anymore. I could get a show from two years ago, show it to you, and one from last night, and you tell me has two years passed? In the interim between these two shows, they all say the exact same thing, And I mean, well, there are exciting moments like I don't know if you knew this book, but do you know how close we came to losing our democracy?

It's amazing there was an insurrection of unarmed people who didn't actually engage with any kind of military force or precision. It's kind of weird because I've actually been exposed to what a country looks like when people do try to overthrow the government, or when there is an active civil war of some kind going on, sectarian warfare, and it's very different from QAnon Shaman and a bunch of other largely middle aged folks walking around calmly and taking photos

now martially that it is okay. I've condemned it from the beginning. I condemned it for many reasons. One of them was I was like, this is very stupid because it is handing the Democrats their favorite thing in the world, which is something that they can get the left wing base all hysterical about for the next twenty years, and this is but an They've said it's worse than Pearl Harvard. They've said there are prominent Democrats who have said it

is worse than than nine to eleven. And I wonder if we've if we've just reached it not even fun anymore. It's not fun. Well, you know, I think there's this concept of terminal velocity, right when you jump out of a plane or something and you hit like the absolute max speed and then that's just that's just the speed you're going the rest of the way. I think that's what terminal velocity is. I might it was like a

bad Charlie Sheen movie or one of those guys. Have we hit like terminal stupidity over at MSNBC, Like it can't get any dumber or any crazier. Mostly for me, I mean dumb and crazy I love that. No, it's it's the painful repetition. I can't there's a lot. I can't listen to the same thing all the time. So even I have not really been why what happened? Because you used to get to go on and you and and others and you know me too, back back when this was a thing to debate people on the other side.

Have you noticed when did this happen? Where all of a sudden, no one Now there's no looney left wingers who will go on and have a real like throw it out. I mean, I I'm trying to think who were some of the like didn't you and did you? And al Sharpe that ever debate I know you and probably hime right completely changed. This was the introduction I wrote to my sub stack. I mean, all of cable news. I'm sorry. You can't just hold MSNBC as as the

only offender here. It has become more just saying the things they think the audience wants to hear, and they apparently think that their audiences don't want to hear intelligent commentary or facts or history or no, they want to be ginned up, be angry at everything. The other side is doing and with no one there to contradict them. I mean, this is why the American system values debate and free speech, the idea that John Stuart mill idea that the truth will rise in a battle for ideas,

we won't sense her particular viewpoints. Well, cable news has just been an absolute devolution. You have learned more by talking to the hot dog. I'm seriously, I'm not being sarcastic to a guy selling hot dogs on the street. And why is it just considered okay that there are politicians. I mean Nancy Pelosi, for example, would just would never go on Fox News or any channel other than effectively

regime media for her. I feel like that's something of an indictment, like how hard should it be for her to be able to go on? Sure, she'll get heat. I remember being told by somebody who was I forget which Fox show it was, and this is back in the day, but one of these, one of these really kind of radical I think it was Gosh camera the guy's name. What are these sort of more radical Islamists

from the UK would go on? It might have been it might have been Handy and Combs back in the Hannity and Combs days, which you know well, and he would say self, you know, it's like women should be The guy had a very sort of thick British accent, you know, women should be you know, treated like you know, servants or slaves or whatever. And I mean a very inflammatory stuff. And of course Sean's there and he's just like, you know, look at this lunatic. This guy should be

on a terrorist watch list. The whole thing. I remember when I asked somebody said, why does this guy go on the show, and they said, no, you didn't understand. He goes on because his supporters love it, even if he should have called all these things that you know, he wants somebody who's going he wants to go to battle. They want to see him battle, right. I mean, that's just a kind of an extreme example of it. I

feel like nobody wants to battle anymore. Everyone just retreats to the amen corner because it's it's easy, it's lazy. I think pretty much all cable news house on across the board could do their TV shows in their sleep, saying the same things over and over. Biden bad, I mean you could. I think you could do it with either network, switch the facts, don't tell them who did one thing, you know, switch Biden to Trump, or Trump

to Biden, or to say and just to Biden. And if they think it Biden did it, oh that's very very, very bad. And they won't as you I have, well, for example, as you and I just did saying the whole classified document thing is kind of bs Oh, I

mean absolutely, it's It's one of these though. I think the problem is there's a almost like an arms race among people in the media now in particular, to do just whatever they think gets the clicks and works, and so there's no no one's attached anymore because it's like, well, if I don't do it, then somebody else is going to do it, and then I just I just lose.

And I think that's very real, by the way, And I think that as there's less and less debate and people aren't exposed, I mean, I will say and I never attack people on the right publicly. See it's a polite this thing. Ed. Even when I don't attack people on the right publicly, you know, just because I don't like them or I don't like something they've said. I'll disagree with them on things, but I'm not going to say,

you know, that guy is a jackass. We've got plenty of jackasses on the right, some of whom have very substantial audiences. I mean, people who are not neither learned, nor interesting nor particularly good people. When it all comes down to it, there are far more on the left. I mean, I may think that a vast majority I would put in that category in the media I'm talking

about now. But on the right, I think that something is something has kind of shifted and happened where you don't have to be very knowledgeable, you don't have to be a very honest person, You certainly don't have to be a very ethical person, and yet you can do very very well. Is that a change? Am I just not even thinking that that's a change? Maybe I am. I mean I haven't been No, it's absolutely a change. It used to be. I think TV was fun back then,

and I think it was. I mean, you mentioned Hannity and Comes. I remember in the early days of Hannity and Comes. I mean, obviously I'm a political not I'm really paying attention to what's going on in the world. But maybe I was writing a book, maybe there was an issue I hadn't followed if I wanted to hear both sides of what the argument was, I'd turn on Hannity and Combs. It was and I'm sure, And I don't mean, though I probably would if I thought about it.

I don't mean specifically to dis CNN and MSNBC from the old days. They probably had similar shows on. There was a lot well, crossfire. I debate is good. That's how you know if it's if it's all just people you know, saying the same thing, and oh, you're so smart. You make me smarter every time you come on my program, and oh that's amazing, and there's there's no one to say, but wait, that fact that was just mentioned isn't actually

a fact. At CNN, for example, people would say I had this concept of I'm going to go into the Lions dead right, and I knew by the way that place was always hostile to me all the way on down. I mean, I had some friend who are producers over there and people that were decent, but overall, just the

it was institutionally hostile to conservatives. This is now twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, in that time period, but I remember I'd go over there and my thinking was, well, I don't want to let them get away with this nonsense and like, we've got to bring the fight to the enemy. But what you figure out when you're there is the whole

thing is completely rigged. They have the host who is some screaming lib and they've got a you know, one expert or something who they're going to go to first, and then they've got a political pundit who's a Democrat. By the way, the expert and the Democrat pundit totally agree on everything and are like high fiving each other. And you're gonna go last, and you're the conservative and it's someone else's show, so you're just there to just

get punched right in the nose. That's it. You're not there. They're not gonna let you speak, they're gonna talk over you. I mean, I've had them just basically cut off to commercial in the middle of me talking like they don't care. So that's why that was part of the descent, and now they don't even you know, it's kind of a sad thing actually when I see conservatives now at CNN who are doing the dance of I'm a I'm a conservative or I'm a Republican, but all I do is

trash the right all the time on TV. I think that's a sad thing. Like I think it's like they're making hostage videos over there. Oh no, they're being paid well for those to be the I'm a Republican speech. I just don't think cable news has that much influence anymore. I just think it's it's very a circular cocoon, the way we used to make fun of, you know, the New York Times. I think we're getting the same thing.

I mean, we're a country of three hundred and twenty five million people and on a huge night, you know, primetime cable, what they're getting a few million and it's mostly an average age. Is what about seventy so old people in their nursing homes can't figure out how the remote works. But most people are online. And you know, I just interviewed on subsack John Tierney from The New

York Times. Magnificent writer, magnificent outside the box writer. But one of the books he wrote, which wasn't the main purpose, but I talked to him at the end, is what's called The Power of Bad. Very interesting book about how when bad things that people remember criticism more than they remember praise. A bad first interview was going to hurt you more than a fantastic first impression, that sort of thing,

and how you can use it to your benefit. But one of the things he mentions in the book that I thought was kind of the headline item was that, yes, the legacy media very very very negative. For example, their COVID coverage. By the way, John Tierney was fantastic on COVID. Go back and read his articles in City Journal. He's everyone should be reading him, and he get was pointing out all along, you're being hysterics. This is the flu.

This isn't that bad unless you're you're an old person or you He was right, he was right, he was right. But every night, how many did from COVID. They were predicting two million in the next two weeks. Now, what he said was, I'm sorry to taking a long time to go to the main point. Social media, Twitter, Facebook, people online, that is positive news. That is where positivity gets rewarded. It's the old media, the legacy media, the cable news, where it's just constantly bad news, bad news,

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You want this protection, trust me. I always thought Michael Crichton was a really really smart guy, very interesting guy, obviously one of the more successful fiction writers of his generation. And I remember, I think it was in a Charlie Rose interview he said this, and this really stuck, stuck, stuck in my mind, that it's not even so much. And this was maybe circle let's say two thousand he

said this. Bec said, it's not even that. If you want to get attention, you have to be a catastrophist when you're talking about anything of substance, like you want people to pay attention, you have to say, oh my god, everything's falling apart, everything is terrible. He said that actually the mindset had shifted so that people were mad at you. If you don't take that opinion it's like, what do

you mean, how can you not? And you certainly see this with like the climate change people, and you see this with all just a way a lot of people try to get attention when when they're talking about the country. So I agree that there is negativity to that end, or too much negativity. What makes a culture feel positive

about how things are going. I know you're out at the colleges talking to college kids all the time, and college conservatives are the best because they've got that like they've just discovered this reality that that they know about and they're in the fight and they're realizing that, like they're they're red pilled at this young age. And but you know what gives you a sense that it's all

gonna move in the right direction somehow, some way. Well, it is true that conservatives in a liberal environment are generally a lot of fun. They're not just rolling into being conservatives. Conservatives in New York City, conservat was in Los Angeles, and conservatives on college campus as there are a lot of fun and they're not going to back down. They don't with a r under criticism where they'd never

be conservatives to begin with. Now, I don't think you ought to have to be, you know, brave and strong and courageous to speak the truth in places like college campuses. But but you kind of do when they are I don't know. Oddly, I am quite optimistic. It's it's probably and you know, man, I hope these aren't famous last words because politicians have broken my heart so many times. But I'm I'm pretty optimistic about about Rhonda Santis. I mean, people are living in freedom in Florida. In one of

his speeches, it may have been the inaugural speech. I think you were there, but I've heard this. People have said this to me in Florida, and to Santa's repeated Europeans who left Europe, left Australia came to Florida. They said they felt like they were leaving East Germany and going to West Germany under communism. And and I gotta tell you it's it is like that when I tweeted that and it went viral, and when I left New York during the lockdowns to go to Miami, and it

was it. I mean, people also think that that's that was so this ows wild exaggeration. They deployed National Guard soldiers to stand around in the airports to collect personal information on people about an aerosolized virus. They're standing there, you know, with their m force with no magazine in them, just supposed to look like just to scare the virus. And the whole thing was idiotic beyond words. And I'm actually somebody who I refused to let this stuff go.

I don't know. I maybe that's gonna be, you know, to my detriment, But I think it's okay what happened at all. And I feel like rain back to Rhonda Santis point, I have never felt like I owed a politician a debt of gratitude before. It is hard to explain how gratifying it was as a New Yorker, in particular, to be able to leave in the midst of that hellish lunacy and just go to a place where people were just it was just like being in America again,

or what you thought was America. And yes, I think it's kind of important than saying you I think you should keep talking about this. I think it's important because even though I feel optimistic, I'm not saying I'm putting all of my hopes in him. There are other people. There are people like you. Buck and I mean, I guess I just throw it a quick figure, real quick end. Will you tell everybody, just for the record that I was so anti max masks so early that you were like, really, no,

I know you were right though. I learned something interesting during masking. I don't know if you remember. I used to say, no, I was from masks long before. If I fly a lot, and I used to get a lot of colds and i'd put a mask on, I wasn't a dork like walking onto the plane with my mask, but once I was seated, I would be a dork. I'd pull it down to talk to the stewards, I'd pull it down to go to the bathroom. And it was only when in the wintertime when i'd hear, you know,

tuberculosis boys sitting behind me. But anyway, now I've learned that the virus can go right through, and I assume flew viruses too. But the reason I think it cut down on my colds, and it definitely cut down on my colds from doing a lot of flying, is that when you're sitting on an airplane reading, at least, I am constantly touching my face, constantly touching my face, so as long as I had the mask on, it was

protecting me. But the reason I think you should continue with the COVID stuff and I think we all owe Ron de Santis and other sane. By the way, Glen Youngan the one I mentioned Governor Virginia first day in office, he ended all the mask mandates in school, it was beautiful. I remember that it was beautiful. But I think, though I have an optimistic personality, generally, when you look back at history, things that have been very harmful to a society,

to a country. One is losing faith, feeling like the country was dishonest and people couldn't be trusted. I mean, there was the betting on that baseball game you always hear about. Sorry, you'll have to check with Clay on exactly what it was the team, okay. And then the other one was there was a game show What's My Line or something like that, and they found out that they were shink quiz show. Yeah, it's like a game quisha. Oh sorry, is there a movie about that? I haven't

seen them. Yes, I think it's called Quo. I'm saying, yeah, Okay. So now we have just lived through a couple of years where we find out Intelligence community. Intelligence officers are big fat, stinking liars. We find out that the brass at the FBI, big fat, stinking liars. We find out that public health authorities big fat stinking liars. And Twitter, where we're supposed to be able to engage in free speech, was suppressing the free speech. I mean, it's hard to

imagine a society where there were this many attacks. The Russian collusion thing. New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize for that, and the whole was bs the whole thing, So you would think that bad things would be coming out of this. And I don't know. I mean, I guess that's why I looked to Ronda Santis. I hope he can turn this around. But boy, Ron de Santis is going to have a lot on his plate. Do you have any thoughts or opinions? And I didn't check

with that on the stuff before. And I like culter on the fly, you know, because you never know. Sometimes you just got to duck, you know what's gonna come back at you. But Andrew Tate, are you familiar with this guy any of his stuff? He's gotten a lot of attention recently. He's in a prison in Romania. Now do you know about this guy? Well, I've seen the name, and because he was banned from Twitter. So this is the bad thing about banning people and then letting them

back on. Because he was banned and let back on, I just assumed, Oh, he's probably funny. He's probably like Gavin McGinnis. Now i've seen more about him, and you know, to quote my favorite movie, Doctor Strangelove, he's a deviated prever. I actually, should I see that movie? I haven't seen that one, Doctor Strangelove. Oh my gosh, I haven't seen it.

How to check it out? I was just wondering if you had a By the way, Clay also recently cited now the because we're really bringing this one back, the

cult theorem, which I remember from I believe. I'm not sure if it was one of your books or a column, but I do remember as the culture theorem that the oh no, it must have been mugged liberal demagoguery from what was the thank you where the white White Guilt Bank shut down after OJ Because I'm wondering if we're a headache a little bit more in that direction now, And also the end of affirmative action in college admissions has been That's been kind of a fascinating argument recently

to see that playing out where people are just saying, yeah, it's good for society if Harvard pretends that Asians as a matter of policy, have lacking personalities so they can keep them out of Ivy League schools. People are really always remember I just cited this in my affirmative action article on sub sat. Bill Gates Foundation gave a lot of money to researchers at Georgetown a couple of years ago to determine who was discriminated against the most in

college admissions. So researchers spent some time, They got the colleges to give them the SATs and the admission rate and the race. And this was at the top two hundred most selective colleges, So top one hundred or two hundred, that's a lot of colleges and guests. Which group their numbers would go up most dramatically if there were no affirmative action, if you weren't allowed to look at race. I had thought it was Asians, but nope, light men.

Really yes, I remember people poking and asking me all kinds of questions when I got to Ambers, which is a you know, one of these liberal arts colleges. But it's one of those plays is that thinks it's saving

the world by getting very social justice focused. They couldn't believe I was a white kid with I was not a recruited athlete, not the son of or you know, not not a child of alumni a legacy, and had no like financial connection to the college that was That was a rarity for I mean because basically a lot of the white kids are legacies, are recruited athletes at those schools now, and if you don't fit into one of those categories, very tough, right, But even the legacies

in defense of legacies, what we've learned about IQ it is at least in part genetic, there is a reversion to the means. So if you have really smart parents, the odds are the kids won't be as smart as the parents. If you have really dumb parents, the odds are the kids won't be as dumb as the parents. Yet.

And still, if you have a group of two hundred kids in one room, two hundred kids in the other room, and you have low IQ parents in the first room and high the odds are the out of the two hundred kids with the high IQ parents they'll have the kids will have higher IQs. I was just named this today reading some New York Times article about it's just like throws in this BS line about well they have generational wealth. No, it's not generational wealth, it's generational IQ.

Another one where Anne is saying stuff that I'm sure some people are going to start to get all googly, They're going to start googling it, being like, wait a second, look, I think it was the be all end all. Obviously they're more important qualities than in life. But to pretend that I'm just saying the children of legacies, if the legacy has got in on the basis of the basis of their of their SAT scores, the odds or the

kids are gonna have decent SAT scores. It is just anything that involves IQ people there's like this immediately if you even talk about it, everyone starts to freak out. I think that's been a trained response for a lot of people for a long time. As I understand it, IQ is really more it's it's a general range of capacity. And so even within that, because I've met lots of I have met people in my life who have walked around saying you know, I'm one forty five IQ or something,

and you're like, yeah, you're kind of a loser. So it doesn't you know, it can be really helpful, but you know, it doesn't mean that that's the only thing, as you said, as you rightly understand. So and if I gave you one last, one last moment talked to all the folks, obviously they should go check out your sub stack, which is phenomenal. I am a sub I'm a subscriber, full disclosure, and we're gonna get and some Geeza dreamsheets and anything else we're gonna tell everybody, Um, okay,

sub stack columns. Do you want to make any wild predictions that we'll bring you back on to see if you're right? Well? Is it? DeSantis Biden twenty twenty four. I I tend to think, I mean, you and I have talked about this. I think we agree. I think there's a good chance Democrats do the Weekend of Bernie thing with Biden just because once he's gone. Look, who do they have that little bootage? He's doing a bang up job here. He's the most famous or maybe infamous

transportation secretary of all. Like I can't even name a Transportation secretary. Before this guy, Oh, I can't Norman Manette. I hated him more, but week after week, just total disaster. I heard of his lodge. And every time something like this happens, you just think back to that picture of him and his husband in the hospital, rocking the baby as if they're nursing him. Never to go check out

ends sub stack and we'll have you back. And next time I want to, I need to get deeper into you know what you what you like to read for fun, which I know you're a grateful dead person, which I do want to make fun of you for this because an I can't do it. I can't do it. I don't understand. But then again, I'm grumpy. I listen to anything. The only music I don't like is jazz. Wow. Okay, there's nothing classier than boring jazz, I believe, they said

once on the office. So there's that, and Coulter with us. Thanks so much and great to see you. Thanks for making the time. Thank you great to talk to you about Sexton