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Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. Special guest on this episode, our friend Porter Stansbury is here. He is the founder, chairman and CEO of market Wise, which is the biggest independent publisher of financial research anywhere out there.
Also very pleased to tell you that.
I am doing a launching a newsletter with market Wise in twenty twenty four, so a partner as well as an advisor on all these things. Porter.
Great to see you, Hey, Buck, It's always great to see you. I just want to congratulate you on an incredible career. Thank you. I think I saw you in sitting out of conference maybe a decade ago. Yep.
Yeah, I didn't have a job in radio and he's like, I think this guy might be good at radio, and now with Clay we're co hosting the biggest radio show in the country. So thank you very much for.
Being a laby. I told the audience, I said, this guy is going to be an absolute star.
Watch his career, and he was right, and this is why I have him on the podcast, by the way, so he could tell you all very nice things, which I appreciate greatly. So Porter, I mean, you're you're a guy who has made incredible calls over your career in the market and that's obviously what folks over at market
wise do. I wanted to dive in because you wrote something this is in my inbox, uh from from you about not only what's going on now with Boeing, one of the most well known American probably best known American engineering related company. Maybe gees up there, but you saw this coming. Tell me what you saw a year ago, and then we can get into what's happening now.
I think it's a fascinating situation because Boeing, among other large American corporations, has been one of the folks who has most fervently embraced the whole DEI mythology if you will, the idea that that you can have a better corporation of better business if you give opportunities that on a
pure metocracy would have belonged to someone else. You give those opportunities to someone of color, or someone who's a woman, or someone who has confused sexuality issues that somehow the DEI theory is that that'll make your products better, that'll make your customers happier, that'll make your profits bigger. But what we see as investment analysts time and time again that firms that embrace this kind of DEI I think,
or the general ESG. They call it mindset, actually perform poor going forward, in part because their cultures get wrecked and buck I'm sure you can understand this. If you're working with a group of people and suddenly promotions and raises and bonuses start getting doled out because of factors other than performance, it has a really shockingly bad impact on the culture. It leads to all kinds of bad
things happening. But the most notable thing is that the truly talented people are going to leave and go work for SpaceX, which is what they've done, and the people you get left with are the people who are really good at corporate infighting and corporate politics, but not necessarily good at all at engineering. And as a as a part of all that, I'd like to I'd like to call your attention to the woman who is currently the
the chief operating officer at Boeing and UH. Her name is Stephanie, and she has a thirty year career as an accountant. So she was the you know, the top accountant at Boeing Airplanes and and she has a degree from Southwestern Missouri State and she has an NBA hold on. I got to reference my notes for this because I'd never heard of this school. Oh, this intellectual powerhouse, Lyndon Wood University. So so what you've got here as a as a as a female with no engineering background, And
I'll go public with this. I'll bet one thousand dollars that Stephanie cannot change the oil in her car. But she is the director of operations for Boeing, which is the most important engineering firm in the United States by a mile, and one of the most important companies in the world. The whole global transportation infrastructure requires Boeing aircraft and they need to be well made and safe.
Well, this is this is in the headlines obviously porter because a piece of register bring everyone up to speed for this week, A piece of a Boeing seven thirty seven to nine Max fuselage tore off and people can see it. I mean, there's video of this from the plane from the inside tore off mid flight during an Alaska Airlines flight and.
This is this is this is not this actually is not new. They've had They've had consistent problems with their aircraft for at least the last six years, including too fatal crashes, and they've had an engineering culture that was gutted after the merger with McDonald Douglas in ninety seven. But Buck, I want to get to a really important point about this, would why on earth would you have someone with no engineering background whatsoever with degrees from Southwest
Missouri State and Lindenberg sorry Lyndon Wood University. I don't think that is the sharpest engineer or tool and drawer. So why would Stephanie get one of the most important jobs in engineering. Well maybe because she is the executive sponsor of Boeing's Women Inspiring Leadership. What's that, Buck, It's a group that's dedicated to increasing gender diversity awareness and that,
by the way, is right off of Boeing's website. So what is going on at Boeing is you have a whole bunch of people who are being promoted and getting opportunities because of their political orientation or because of the buy in that they have made into ESG and DEI. But that is not the way to make safe airplanes.
We've already seen this happen. There is an Atlas Air flight in twenty nineteen that crashed near Houston, where both pilots were, in my opinion, most likely there because of the role they played in meeting diversity targets, not because of their flight awareness or their success in training. And both have failed out of training. So this is a real issue. And it's not just for companies like Disney, which you're performing miserably. I mean, at least a theme
part can't fall out of the sky. But I'm not so sure you'd want to go ride those roller coasters right now, because you're going to have a whole bunch of people who are not qualified in jobs that are very demanding and very technical. And this is not just going to impact Boeing, It's going to impact our whole country.
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corporate culture. But we've had a number of very high profile instances, whether it's the backlash at Budweiser a lot of pressure on Disney. When does corporate America you think, start to listen to the voices out there that are shouting stop doing things that aren't about good business but you think are about good social justice.
Well, I think that there's a lot of reasons for investors to have made that decision already, and I think that's happening. But I think you're going to see something further, which is when planes start crashing, When when Disney theme starts fall apart. You know, there's there's worse things that can happen than a failed movie. There's worse things that
can happen. Then, you know, changing the the snow White film to become a you know, a play on diversity, and those things are going to impact our entire economy. It's it's it's I think when when this stuff, when this rot gets into health and safety, that's when you're
going to see a really big political shift. And the chieft is already underway when it comes to Boeing, though buck let me tell you how I found the problem, because you might you might not remember, but I first started writing about this a year ago in January of twenty twenty three. And what I said back then was
that Boeing stock was going to collapse. And I said that not because I suspected that the planes to start falling out of the sky necessarily, but that I saw that the entire engineering culture had been gutted and it had been replaced, first of all, with accountants from GE. And what they know how to do is wreck corporate balance sheets. That's what they did to GE and that's why I recommended shorting the stock for so many years.
They did exactly the same thing. The two people who are running Boeing now, both the CEO and the CFO, are veterans of G's finance group, and they do the exact same playbook. What did they do. They took Boeing from a company that had net cash on its balance sheet to a company that now has fifty two billion dollars in debt, and that's including net debt of over forty billion dollars. They've got to refinance about twenty five
billion of that in the next two years. And because of the safety issues of their planes, they're also facing the potential downgrade into junct bond status if that happens, their interest expenses are going to soar, and there's a real risk that the company could go bankrupt. Nobody sees that, but that's what we were talking about a year ago, and we updated that short call in December on the twenty second, about three weeks ago. So I just want you to realize that my work on Boeing is not
about this latest news thing. It's about the fact that for the last five or six years they've been building shoddy aircraft and their balance sheet has been destroyed by their leadership. And that's why I started focusing on it, because the bad choices I could see looking at the finances of the company have also flowed through now to
the engineering of the company. It's a very serious matter, not just for Boeing shareholders, but also for the bond markets and for our country's transportation networks.
What do you think the future then holds for not just Boeing, but the US aerospace industry in general if this has happened. I mean, I know, for example, you're talking about the people that make the planes. Well, I know a bit about people who go into the planes. I have friends and colleagues who you know, got a lot of people former military. They become the airline pilots are the ones flying these things, and they say the
DEI wokeness problem. I mean, look, United is bragging about how they have changed, you know, the incoming class of pilots to be more diverse. But I also know that the training programs that pilots are going through so they can meet the standards necessary for training are being lowered. That is happening. So the people that are moving the plane, you're telling me that the people making the planes are
losing a step or ten. And the people piloting the planes right now are also not the same caliber than what people have been used to for a long time.
Yeah, that's a very serious matter. And again, if you look at the kind of people that United has been using to fill their new pilot academy, right they have intentionally partnered with some of the lowest performing schools in the country in terms of SAT scores and academic achievement because they're the right color. That's just racism. And you know when you combine racism and Marxism, you're not going to improve the Marxist track record.
Well, also, you know, we can, finally, I think, have a discussion about merit and standards and hiring in a more direct way than in a long time porter because the Supreme Court came out and said, Okay, you guys at Harvard, which is a whole other conversation, what's going on there, But you guys at Harvard have been just straight up discriminating against Asian kids. That was what got
this whole thing started. That's unconstitutional, that's illegal. You can't actually do that, and you can't continue this system of pretending you're not discriminating by race when you are. Well, that's in college admissions. But it's starting now to filter I think through the broader American political and an economic landscape, which is a good thing. But I think we're just in the early early stages this.
Sorry I didn't mean interrupt, but I just want you to say, hasn't this been the kind of thing that for many years people smiled in grandad and said, yes, you know, yes, yes, we're all in favor of equal opportunity, and we are right. But no one took it. No one took the idea seriously that you would get a guy who couldn't even legitimately gain admission to a competitive university and tell him
with a couple of months of pilot training. He's now going to be captive captaining you know, a United aircraft with two hundred people on board like that. There is there is such an absolute, utter lack of judgment. There is such a disparity between the theory of DEI or ESG and the reality of engineering and flight, and those two things are on a conclusion conclusion course. But let me just give you a couple of data points to
make this a little bit more objective. If you were in charge of Boeing and you knew that your your cumulative net income over the past three years is minus twenty billion dollars, and that your twelve month interest expense currently is two and a half billion dollars a year, and you knew that your credit rating was one notch above junk status at Fitch and SMP is, the last thing that you would do is to let a door
fly off of your plane in mid flight. My point about all this is the people running the company have such poor judgment they can't even run the company. And by the way, Bones one of only two major aircraft manufacturers in the world, and it is a dominant defense contractor. There's plenty of margin to be made in all those
defense contracts. So how do these guys lose twenty billion dollars in the last three years alone, and how did they run their balance sheet just in the last five years from net cash positive to forty two billion roughly and net debt. This is I mean, it's almost is if somebody was deliberately trying to destroy this company, because you can't make decisions this bad if you weren't trying.
To port I want to ask you about a different kind of landing, the overall landing that people are saying might be soft or not for the economy in twenty twenty four, which is going to affect the political landscape. I just wanted to get your broad thoughts on that in a moment. But first up, you know, a lot of us are trying to get our finances in order, and there's some great news for homeowners. Interest rates have dropped and are now in the fives, a lot lower
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What are you seeing?
I mean, I just want to give you the floor for for a couple of minutes. Here, what are you seeing for next year? Because it feels like the Fed's telling us here, Jerome Pal everybody, we win, rates coming down, inflation, beaten markets, fine, nothing to see here, no problem?
What are you seeing? I think that inflation is going to be intractable and very difficult to beat because of the size of the fiscal deficits the United States. If the federal government was able to snap its fingers and double double the amount of income tax it collects, it'd still be running a deficit. And you've got deficits at
that size. I just don't believe they can be financed through to legitimate means, which means you're gonna have eventually more interest rate manipulation, more bond market manipulation, and more money printing. It's just a matter of time. And all they've done so far really is just change the name of what they're calling the MOUNTI printing. You know, they used to call it. What do they call it? Easing? Yes, easying? Yeah, sorry, there's so much jargon now I can't keep up with
it all. But the new way that they're doing it is they've just been printing money and handing to banks
that have underwater bond portfolios. So there's something right now in the order of seven hundred billion dollars plus worth of losses and the banks on their bond portfolios, and rather than accept any of those losses and have a run on the banking system, the Federal Reserve is just printing up money and then giving it to those banks as collateral at par so that they don't have to suffer the losses that they have.
Actually, so the banks are effectively hiding losses because they got on the wrong side. So what we saw with Silicon Valk, for example, people say, hold on a second, is this a problem elsewhere? You're telling me you think it absolutely is a problem elsewhere.
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, if you look at Bank of America, just as one example, Bank of America is the largest pository, it's the United States. Its entire tangible equity capital be wiped out if it had to, if it had to
write to market where its bond portfolio is. And the reason why is because it made enormous investments in bonds during the COVID bubble when interest rates are very, very low, and then of course the FED had to raise rates to stop the resulting inflation from all the money printing that they did. So you know, the whole banking system is just inside out and there is no way that the FED is going to be able to By the way,
the FED doesn't even want to actually stop inflation. The FED wants inflation to be three to four percent a year so that they can print print their way out of all these government obligations that they can't meet and
so that they can keep the banking system liquid. And so I think that all the talk you're hearing about the possibility of deflation or the possibility of a recession in terms of nominal GDP as mallarchy, you're not going to see any kind of actual recession because they're going to print so much money and there is so much deficit spending that in nominal terms, the GDP growth is going to be probably between four and six percent over
the next three or four years at least. And how will they do that, Well, they just deal with government spending and they print the money to do it. So that's going to have a really big impact on people's wages. And you've already seen that happening, and that's a giant problem.
And what's your take, border, I mean, you've been watching this stuff for a long time. So CPI they measure inflation and they tell us that you know, it's not bad if you take what food and energy out of it, right like so if you need to eat or heat your home or put gas in your car or whatever. I mean, it's the middle of the winter in a lot of places. Other than that, they say inflation is not that bad.
Yeah, well, you know, I like to use real world things for for pricing. And if you go and look, for example, at how many how many minimum wage hours you have to work to purchase a Ford F one fifty, which is the most popular, you know, vehicle in the United States and has been for most of my lifetime. You know, the hours worked has has doubled or tripled, and the price of the S one fifty that you can buy at the dealer, I would guess it's up
fifty percent in the last ten years at least. So, you know, we can argue about CPI we want, but it has nothing to do with the impact of these policies on real people's wages and buck. The saddest part for me is the people who are suffering the most from these kinds of policies and from DEI and from ESG and all this stuff to defund the police, all this stuff. The people who suffer the most are the
people who keep voting for it. It's not hard for people like me and you to protect ourselves from inflation. We go buy a property, We go buy gold, which you can now buy at Costco, which I think is great. You know, we go buy bitcoin, we go invest in high quality stocks, which we have the training to do, and inflation just keeps us floating along. But for the people that we employ to you know, to take care of our houses and our kids, and to teach school
and to do the plumbing and the electrical work. All the people who actually work in this economy, they're getting destroyed there. They're real wages keep going down at three to four percent a year, and that doesn't take long before you can't afford any kind of standal living. And so when societies do that, what happens. You see a huge uptick in gambling. You see that in America, the
enormous rise of online gambling is startling. You see a big increase in prostitution because people can't make a living in a you know, in a reputable way, so they go into that Look at the what's it called the Only Fans site where you have every college girl America taken off for clothes to make some bitcoin. And the other things that you see, of course, are just a general breakdown of law and order. You can't even go in a drug store anymore and buy deodor, and it's
all locked up. When or if ever are Americans going to say enough of this. We need to have sound money and have a return to a real legitimate free market system. You know, I don't know the answer to that question, but it didn't get me any time soon. Not nless people are willing to default on government debt.
Got to tell you it's classic because you're talking about the cost of energy and people being able to forward their bills. All the lights in the room where I'm recording right now just went off. The TV screen went off behid. So I'm not saying it's like word from the Almighty or something, but I mean something did just happen here where you know, it is tough to keep the lights on. As you can see, it is tough to keep the lights on. Something else I want to
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Oxford Gold Group slash free. That's Oxford Goldgroup slash free. So Porter, Actually, I want to know where can people go to follow your research more closely? Again, I'm launching a newsletter with market Wise this year, but you've already got so many great phyticals. But they want to see what Porter's thinking.
Where do they go? Well, that's a great that's a great question. And I asked my marketing team where we should send people from information on this stuff, and they said the best link to use is porters prediction dot com. And that's of course my name, Porter, p O R t E er porters with an S prediction dot com and hopefully all the listeners can spell prediction. But it's b R E d I C t i o N dot com. Porters Prediction dot com or thanks for letting
me out. Absolutely, We certainly love to have your listeners stuff. Come, come see what we're doing in our in our financial news letter.
Absolutely absolutely, and I'm excited to launch it in the new year as well. Thank you so much.
Porter. We'll talk to you again soon, okay, but thanks for having me
