You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. A friend, Michael Malice is back in the mix. He is the author of the excellent book The White Pill and also the host of You're Welcome with Michael Malice. Michael,
great to see you again, sir. Tell me what's what's your response because people are going to be watching and listening to this right after the first round of results has come in from Iowa. You surprised? It all about what's happening in American politics? What do you see happening.
I'm a little surprised because there was a question about whether the establishment will be able to get enough support to at least put a dent into stuff into Trump's momentum, especially with you know, putting man these kind of suburban swing voters. I think it was obviously, you know, a very decisive victory for him. Remember you know, he lost Iowa, came in second in twenty sixteen. This seem to be a path for him. And I also think it's really
my favorite thing. I think Trump is much better as a candidate than as a president, and especially because he causes his opponents to degenerate into the stupidest, like juvenile versions of themselves. So seeing that play out in social media and in the corporate press is something that is kind of enjoyable to watch. And I missed that from twenty fifteen.
Do you think.
Trump is in a good spot to go all the way against Biden? I mean, the part of this that I can't seem to really fully get my hands wrapped around is they've got to know at some level that you know, the polls were right in Iowa, right, and the polls got they nailed it pretty much, and so the oh, you can't trust poles. You can't trust poles if people are playing games and everything's within three or four points, right, I mean, you know there are ways
that there can be manipulation thirty points. If polsters can't get it right by that kind of number, and you know, then there's no reason for that repolling. My question to you, Michael, is Biden's behind in every state that matters, right, in every state that's up for grabs to Trump right now, before Trump's even the nominee. What's their game? Going to be like, are are they just? Are they in an impossible situation? What do you see the Democrats doing well?
I mean Trump was behind you know, everywhere that mattered in twenty sixteen as well, and he pulled it out. So you know, you all remember, I mean twenty twenty two was supposed to be this red tsunami and that
didn't end up happening. So just because Biden's behind every state now, if you want to look at it, if you want to really put on your old person hat, go back to nineteen eighty at this point, I think Carter was just completely clopper and Raven Reagan, and he obviously was decimated come November, so we have a long way to go. I also think people underestimate what Democratic
tricks they have up their sleeve. I don't mean particularly the Biden campaign, but you do have this whole media and legal apparatus designed to keep President Trump from returning to the Oval office. So who knows who's going to start getting arrested and imprisoned between now November.
At the very least.
The other thing that scares me is there's a big incentive now for Biden to escalate war because historically, speaking as at the very beginnings of Wars, that tends to enormously improve the approval ratings of the commander in chief. So the fact that this is one of the few actions he can take that would possibly result in better standing for him in the polls is something that I think is very disheartening.
To think about.
What do you think about what's going on in Ukraine? And did you see this guy coach Redpill, who used to do this kind of like alpha male coaching stuff on YouTube. And I've seen some of his videos before. Some of what he said I can't speak to, you know, I don't know the guys, but some of what he said I said, Oh, this guy's actually making some interesting points. I've seen maybe one or two clips of his videos in the past. Anyway, he was in custody in Ukraine.
He's an American citizen, he is dead. What's going on there? And what do you think is happening in Ukraine overall? Because I'll just say this, I don't see a lot of people hang in Ukraine flags out their windows anymore, almost like it was for some people a fashion, because I would think that now more than ever, they would want to be all in, yeah.
I think we don't really know what's going on Ukraine.
And we can't really know because at the very least, even if you take everything at things value and think people have good, honest motivations, the opponents are still watching the same news everybody else is, So the very least.
You're gonna have to play cards close to your chest.
Because you don't want to give the opposing forces too much information. I think it's become very clear that for a long time Zaviansky wanted to on some level cut some kind of deal with Putin, and he had some gun to his head went from the US, NATO or other European countries, who knows. And I think the fact that this is kind of now becoming quietly spoken about as a possibility is at least something to hope for
in terms of minimizing civilian casualties on both sides. Of course, the guy you mentioned, coach red Bill, he did follow me on Twitter. I did not know his work, And whenever you hear of an American citizen, you know, being murdered abroad, it's just it's obviously very disheartening, and especially how little seems to have been done about it if maybe if he had been some kind of lgbt's athlete, then Divide administration would have been much more worked up
to and motivated to bring him home safely. But it's it's it's it's tough when you hear stories like this, especially with someone who's has a little bit of a name and then who didn't seem to be particularly a nefarious person.
Now you're from that part of the world, right, I mean for our audience, so ever knows. I mean you you grew didn't you grow up in what was the city you were born in?
I grew up in this obscure town called Brooklyn. I have heard of it. I was born in Ukraine. I left there when I was one and a half.
So okay, yeah, but you were I'm right, maybe look at me like I'm crazy. You were born in Ukraine. I just think that's an interesting factory.
I was born in Ukraine.
That that's true, but I obviously have any memory of it whatsoever, and obviously not that you're saying otherwise.
The Ukraine of the seventies is you know, complete and.
Uh yeah, totally different from from over doing now. I was just I was just pointing at ox I thought it was an interesting factor. It like, you know something that people you know wouldn't necessarily know because actually you grew up here in America and obviously don't speak with an accent or anything. But how do we end that whole thing?
Though?
Because one thing that I've seen is, you know, Trump has said I'll end it on day one, and everyone's like, yeah, I'll end it on day one. Okay, Well, how like what does it look? What does ended look like?
To you? Yeah, I'm gonna be a little pedantic when you say, how do we end it?
I don't think we end it? I think they end it right.
I think this is very much that's a fair point. How do they end it right?
I think it's gonna be very much a matter of Putin and Zudinsky and other Eastern European leaders and Central European leaders sitting down and cutting a deal. I think Putin is going to end up with some gains. I think that is in some ways a bad message to send. I think NATO is going to be expanded, which is also something not particularly in favor of. And when you start having these kind of backdoor international treaties, it really
hurts the sovereignty of our individual country. And my big concern is that Biden or whoever the next president might be, is going to lock us into more of these treaties that's going to impose the need to have American troops on the ground in places they should never step foot and begin with.
So that's yeah, I think that there's going to have to be a negotiated settlement to this and end to it. What is your biggest concern for America these days?
My biggest concern for There's a lot. That's a great, great question. I think the metrics are going in a positive direction in every sense almost. But my biggest concern, and I think this is something that pretty much everyone watching this is going to agree with, is some sort of World War three escalation in fighting in China, We're fighting in the Middle East, We're fighting in Eastern Europe,
maybe even in South America. I think there is an enormous center of power in Washington and elsewhere that would love for this to happen. I think Nikki Haley is clearly their candidate who was championing at the bit for this to happen, and that is something that is my biggest concern for America.
No question that that was funny. It was gonna be my next question. I mean, do you think that the I was gonna ask you, Nikki Haley? Let me brought it out a little bit. You'll often hear from people on the right who are I think, generally very in
touch with the mentality and psychology of the base. They'll say that there is a war contingent of the GOP and then it is as straightforward as they get their jollys from the exertion of American power on the global stage, and they like all those stock options from Boeing, Raytheon, et cetera. Do you do you think, I mean, is
that how real is that? I know there's some truth that obviously Nicky Hello is on the board of Boeing, But is that an oversimplification in your mind or is that actually just scratching at the surface of it.
No, they're also sociopaths who are power hungry and enjoy the idea of being imperilests without having to have that label attached to them. So when you're bombing other countries overseas and you get to call yourself the good guy, I think it kind of feeds off to that power. But I do think you know, you know, eisenhowerre very famously warned about this. The war machine has been going on for a long time. Liz Cheney needs a third house.
So if your sons and daughters have to be slaughtered overseas, that's just too darn bad. And the thing is why I think these people are malevolent is because there's never this sense of you know, what we you know, bungled it.
Last time, Maybe we should think twice the second time.
Right. It's like if you and I, you know, opened a restaurant and the restaurant folded, we'd be like, all right, before we open another restaurant, what did we do wrong?
Let's engineer this. You know, something didn't happen correctly.
If there's never this reflection, there's never this sense of, oh, you know, on our way out Afghanistan, we killed a bunch of kids.
Oops.
I mean, no one even got fired, let alone reprimanded for killing innocent children. So I mean, when you speak about levels of evil, that's the kind of thing where it's just something that's beyond what you and I are.
Pretty much anyone listening to this would wrap.
Their heads around. These people are far closer to you know, Jeffrey Epstein than to mister Smith goes to Washington.
Well, let's come back and discuss a little more about the trajectory of the GOP and also maybe we can get you to tell me some of the things you think are going in the right direction these days, because you mentioned that. But first up, you know, artificial intelligence dominates the headlines of the tech world. The impact of AI is undeniable. But according to tech expert Colin teed Arts, this is just the beginning of a new era that could make you wealthier than ever before. But you have
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We're not just showing up, you know, taking all the diamonds or taking all the oil and then figuring out how to pacify things afterwards. And so the lack of strategic vision for this stuff I think is very obvious because of the failures. But by the same token, you get people that get away with going on TV and saying, yeah, Ukraine and Russia are locked in this trench warfare. I think it's literal trench warfare in some parts of the front.
But if we don't do everything to keep this war going against Russia, they're going to roll through Poland and Germany and France, etc. How is that something that anyone can say with a straight face. They say it all the time.
Well, I'll give you an even better example.
There were over fifty intelligence officials that claim that Hunter's laptop had hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Now, if I was a media outlet and I repeated this with a straight face because I'm not an expert on Russian misinformation, I'll defer to experts. People have you know, inside knowledge. And when I get if I got burned that badly by all of them, I would never have them on my show again because I'm like, you know what, I trusted you.
You made me look like a fool. But that's not the case.
So the reason is these people never have consequences for their lives and depravity because they're in bed with these media outlets because they're saying what the people behind the media outlets want them to say. So there's no sense
of accountability. And that's the one good thing. Excuse me, that's one that one of the great things about social media is now in real time you can fact check their lives and propaganda that people think are coming to understand that people in the military who are you know, historically revered often themselves have an agenda that is not in line with America's interests.
Do you think and I mean this in the sense of recent as in maybe the last six to twelve months. Do you see the legacy corporate media losing ground and under pressure in ways that we never really have before. Have we entered a new phase? Is that too strong? How would you gauge where things are with that?
We are in a new phase specifically because of one feature on one social media website, which is community notes on Twitter. So for those of you who have lives of like Buck and myself, who aren't spending all your days on Twitter, how it works is New York Times, CBS News, some other outlet sends out a tweet that is about an article or you know, interview or something
like that. If they lie in that article or story, the community, the Twitter community, can put a community note that fact checks the story, and the notes always written objective language. It's not like Trump's the best. It's like they are claiming this, These are the facts and here are the links. So this is happening in real time constantly that as soon as they put out some propaganda,
they are called on it immediately. So to be to have that microphone, imagine you and I are giving a speech and you're promoting your candidates around, promoting mine, and as soon as you, as a politician say something, someone interrupts it goes. Actually, Buck, when he was governor, he increased spending. Immediately, your capacity to persuade people and manipulate them is nipped in the bud. So this is something
that is unprecedented. In the same way I can imagine growing up, if you're watching the evening news at dinner with the family and on TV, as Dan rathers line, it would just fact check him. This is something that would never have happened before, and it's happening now in real time, and we have Elon must.
To think for this.
Yeah, I think that people. And I just read actually the Isaacson biography of Elon and it gave me a little more. I knew a fair amount about his career, but more of the backstory, particularly on SpaceX, than I had had before. And he's a guy right now who is doing I think it would be hard for me to make the case that there's anyone who is doing more of benefit to human truly of benefit to humanity
on a global level than Elon Musk. And it's interesting because because of what you just said, now the left has turned on him right now now, a lot of people that used to be pro elon because he has bought Twitter and allow and calls it X. Now they don't care about the fact that he's doing more for electric cars and doing more for space exploration and battery technology, et cetera, et cetera than anyone else in.
The world, because it's never been about SpaceX and battery power.
It's always been about power and that's all that matters.
And I would remind people that you know, always complain, oh my, so many people are against me. It's never about having majority's about having an alternative. And everyone listening to this, remember, for decades people are having strokes and heart attacks because Fox News and Roger Hailes, there was one network on cable that had any sort of alternative to the overwhelming progressive corporate propaganda elsewhere, not that Fox
didn't have its own sense of propaganda. And now they would wish to go back to a time where the furthest right, and only alternative people had was Fox News. So we're going in a very positive direction in terms of people having alternative alternatives to the official corporate media narrative. And that is one of the reasons I'm so hopeful for the future of this country.
I want to push more on that or get get more into that. Michael. His book is the white Pill everybody, and a white pill is a thing that is good, that makes you feel optimistic. Right, So the opposite of taking the like, well, the red pill is eye opening, right, black pill is like everything is terrible. It isn't this how this goes? I have my everything.
What it's a rap, it's a wrap. It's not just terrible. It's done. Like there's no hope.
Oh yeah, no, no hope. Right, Okay, black pills, there's no hope. White pill is there's hope. We'll talk about that in just a second, and Michael can close us out on a positive note there. But at twenty twenty four, and look a lot of people are trying to get their finances in order. There's some great news for new homeowners. Interest rates have dropped and now they're in the fives,
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Elon X community notes, that's great. What else do you see that's making you think it's not all over yet?
That we're taking on the universities. Finally, I've been champing. I've been yelling about this for years. I would tell everyone listening to this, who would you rather have on the Supreme Court if you had to have between these two choices, nine random Democratic senators or nine members of the New York Times editorial board, And then ask yourself, who would you rather have? Nine members of New York Times EDITORI board or nine Harvard Social Studies social social
studies professors. It's very obvious who are the most depraved people in this situation, who are the least accountable, and who have been the most cocooned from.
Having to take on any hits or any damn.
Now that the fight is being taken directly to the universities, which is where all the poisoning starts, which are really the kind of hives of the worst people and the worst ideas in this country. That is why I'm so excited. For decades the fight was in Washington, where media journalists just lob bombs without any kind of pushback because they're in their barricades, and behind them was the university system.
And now that we've stormed those first two breaches and are storming the first, this is why I am so excited about where things are going. The fact that Harvard tried to defend cluding gay and then had to publicly back down in a very humiliating way is just the tip of the iceberg and something that's absolutely beautiful and should harden everyone.
Listening to this.
Fantastic Michael Malice, everybody, Michael working folks go to watch and listen to You're welcome anywhere.
Podcasts are available Spotify, YouTube.
Right, go check out Michael's work. Maybe he'll have yours truly on as a guest soon, because you know Michael's people love it when Mike makes fun of my hair on his show, so you.
Know, and every hair make fun of your head, you know.
I like to pretend it's just my hair because that feels less personal than the fact that my creatium is huge. So anyway, all right, man, well you let me know I'll come and hang out and uh, Michael Malice, everybody, thanks so much, buddy, good to see you.
It's a pleasure.
Buck