Border Wall's Last Stand

coming up on The buck Sexton Show. This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake, You're a great American Again. The buck Sexton Show begins the Sea Analyst Remember the NMPD. Whenever a president say to the American people at Christmas time, I am going to shut down your government, it pains me because I know that that's going to make a bad pristiman for

a lot of people. And I would say to the President that a lot of people who have worked hard and all they want to do is live their lives. What is the president's plan and will he shut it down to get this five billion in border wall funding. We're going to do whatever is necessary to build the border wall to stop this ongoing crisis of illegal immigration. This is a This is a very if it comes

to it, absolutely, this is a very fundamental issue. At stake is the question of whether or not the United States remains a sovereign country, whether or not we can establish and the force rules for entrance into our country. The Democrat Party is a simple choice. They can either choose to fight for America's working class or to promote illegal immigration. You can't do both. Welcome the Buck Sexton Show. Welcome to the Buck Saxon Show. It looks like there

might be a shutdown after all, folks. I'm a little surprised, gonna be honest with you. I did not think that we would be here. But it looks like the Republicans may have found some backbone after all. Though I might be speaking too soon. But notice how this turns into a battle of narratives. This turns into who can make the best appeal to the public. And you really had a pretty good overview there, courtesy of a logic. Cummings and Stephen Miller, the President's White House aide and policies

are of sorts on immigrations. Specifically, the left, the Pelosiites, the shue Marians, I like that, the ancient shue Marians, the Babylonians. They view this as just an opportunity to say that Trump is reckless, that shutting this down before Christmas is heartless. The Trump is the grin that if in fact, there is a shutdown, and by the way, I hope there is, I am. I am rooting for a shutdown because this is a fight we need to have. We need to see what the American people really think

when presented with this choice. But on the left, the Democrats offer up well, pretty much what you would expect them to. They give you, Oh, it's so cruel and heartless for the government employees that aren't going to have their paycheck. Oh, it's terrible for people that are expecting to, you know, spend time at the Grand Canyon facilities that are run by the National Park Service, at so on and so forth. And yeah, there there will be costs, at least in the short term to a shutdown. There'll

be some inconveniences, but that's to be expected. There is a trade off going on here. So on the one hand, you have the fear of eighty percent or so of the government still operating exactly as it is twenty percent of our federal government. You know, keep in mind there were whole departments of the federal government that did not exist in living memory. I mean, entire agencies that weren't

even there. But we're supposed to believe that if eighty percent of the government continues on, that's what's left out of that equation is going to make it into dogs and cats living together mass hysteria for the rest of us. I'm sorry, I just I don't buy it, and I know you don't buy it either. There have been I think about a dozen or so shutdowns in the past.

We're all fine, We're still here. We don't live in some mad Max dystopia, right, We're not all just running to our nearest neighbor that has plenty of storable food, ammunition, and tactical training. Although it's always good that I speak to you team, because I feel like this radio audience if things ever did get really bad, you know, if the zombie apocalypse apocalypse came, I just put out the Buck signal of the team Buck. I know I'd be fine.

You guys would have me covered. But nothing terrible is going to happen. If the government shutsdown, it will all be okay, but it will force a discussion. It will force a debate in front of the American people, just like the one that Trump tried to have with Pelosi and Schumer last week. Will we get to hear what do the two sides think about this? What do they want? And I already told you the Democrats have they're going to focus on. Oh the shutdown, it's heart Listen. Government

employees will get back pay. Congress has always made sure that even if you're one of those furloughed federal employees, that you get the pay that you were going to get for the time period. And that wouldn't change here, and nobody would want that to change here. You know, they're showing up in good faith to do their jobs. They shouldn't not have a job to do because of Congress being unable to do its job. But that said, look at the other side of the equation for a moment,

do we really think the status quo is sustainable? Because the status quo is, the border keeps getting worse, Loopholes are exploited, illegal immigration continues. Illegal immigration surges, drugs are pouring into this country. They're killing over seventy thousand of our fellow Americans. We have crime spiking, we have public services strained. We have all these things tied to either

illegal immigration or the cartels, or a combination thereof. You'll notice how the media really goes to great length to speak about illegal immigration as though it is not at our southern border directly tied to the cartels. Meanwhile, the truth is that the cartels have broken up our border into plazzas regions, and those plazzas aren't just for drugs smuggling,

they're for human smuggling too. And when we talk about coyotes, we might want to start thinking about coyotes in terms of employees of drug cartels, as in cartel members, people that are associated with the cartels. And I'm sure they don't just smuggle human beings either, smuggling all kinds of stuff.

That's what's on the other side of this. And then you look at the long term reality here and what happens to a country that has overwhelmed by the fecklessness of its leadership, the processes of assimilation that are in place, What happens to a country that has rapid change of its demographics, with people coming into the country who the first,

their first act on US soil is illegal. Their very presence here, their very first moment in America, is a statement of their willingness to break US law and then come here and are told by the left and Democrat activists and our own media that they are owed this. Remember that activist that I interviewed on the street last week. They're owed because of US foreign policy. They're owed this because of colonialism, because of white privilege, whatever the left

wing explanation is. And we also have a Democrat party that's increasingly trying to enlarge the welfare state as it is, and yet they won't privilege the interests of America's poor. First. For the Democrats, a mouth defeat is a mouth defeat. They don't care if it's an American mouth or a foreigner who's come into this country and is getting access to what is turning into the largest soup kitchen in

the world. The us of a these are very and then we can talk about the labor market and the labor pool and what this does to those who are trying to work their way up or trying to get into the middle class, who want some sense of economic and professional security and want to be rewarded for a

hard day's labor. Turns out, if you dump countless, endless amounts of low wage, non English speaking workers on the economy, it has a negative impact on those who were not fortunate enough to come from a background where they're likely to go to college, where they're likely even necessarily to finish high school. And this used to be gospel on the left. They try to say this is all to right, this is racism. To talk about a secure border is somehow evil. Even though Obama used to talk about a

secure border. Obama says don't come here and bring your children now. He was saying it because that's where the American people were, and he wasn't going to win that argument. The left, his left wing base, did not agree with him on that. But they don't have an honest discussion on this issue. They don't have the willingness to debate

these principles, these points as they are. It's always emotional manipulation, it's always demagoguery, an emotional and psychological blackmail by screaming that everyone else is racist, by pretending that the only moral and decent point of view is to operate in a state of de fact open borders, to pretend there's no downside, only upside, no cost, only benefits, and we've all had enough. The wall will be helpful. But the wall is not everything. It's also it is not the

only thing. It's also symbolic of a willingness to do something about this issue, to take action, substantive, meaningful action. It might move the entire conversation at immigration. It's not just we'll have a barrier that will assist border patrol sector by sector, mile by mile. That's how this has to be done. Maybe there's some areas where you need very little, if any physical construction because it's inhospitable terrain, there's no access roads and border patrol's got to cover.

But there are other places we're clearly like San Diego, where there is a border fence. It helps, it works. But not only would that prove that we have been lied to by the elites, by the media, by the Democrat Party on this whole concept of a wall, it would show that we don't have to just continue to suffer under this lawlessness covered up with dishonesty all the time, that we don't have to accept this as the status quo of the border. That's what the wall would do,

and it would be a progression. It would take time, it would get stronger and better. The wall would get better, but our conversation around immigration would too. And once we have a firm grasp on our southern border, once we don't have seventy thousand one month, one hundred thousand another month, fifty thousand another month pouring into the country with the full expectation they're going to be allowed into the country

because of this loophole about asylum. Once we have that our control, then we can say, okay, what do we really do now? What do we do now about the illegals that are already in the country. But you can't even have that discussion until you have a secure border.

You can't even look at what comes next. And by the way, there would have to be deportations, not necessarily of everybody who's in the country illegally, but there would certainly have to be a review process in detail, in depth of who are these individuals, how long have they been here, can they prove it, how they've been productive? Do we make them leave the country, reapply, and then come back. I mean, what, that's all a serious conversation.

You can't even have that conversation until the southern border secure. Can't do it. It's nonsense. Democrats know this, which is why they are desperate. I mean, they are hell bent on preventing the border from being secured. I mean it is their preference that this continue on. They can't say that, but that's what and that's why the shutdown fight is so important. People need to see the Democrats for who they really are on this issue. They can't allow the

media or runcover for them. They can't just look at the caravan, all the lies that were told with the caravan. Oh there's no criminals. Oh they'll never get to the border. Oh, it's all fearmongering. Lie lie, lie, lies everywhere from the biggest networks in the country, with one exception. Lies. Did they change any of their behavior? Was there any introspection? Was there any reflection from the mainstream media afterward? No, of course not, because they have an agenda and they

are executing on that agenda. When they silence people by calling them racist, when they claim that a secure border is somehow the the wish only of the alts right or of nationalists in this country. Meanwhile, it was a bipartisan expressed through legislation, bipartisan desire just a few years back. What has changed, Well, let's change. The Democrats have become a party on social issues of people who are anti science and just delusional. On the economy. They can't do math.

They think that socialism is going to solve things and make things cheaper and better. They don't know history either. And on the border, what they realize is that this is the way that they can overcome all of their other structural political deficiencies. Keep this issue going, use it to mobilize the Latino base in America, use this to create a whole new generations of Democrat voters, and in the process, we're paying the bills in every conceivable way.

All right, team, we get a lot more. I've got a show today that's going to cover a lot of ground, including this this green beret who's facing a death penalty charge for killing a Taliban bomb maker. We'll get into that. We'll have my friend and Champarnel, former Army ranger, joining talk about it. I've also got some of the sanctacomy testimony today on Capitol Hill Man. That guy's ah, he's a clown. And then we have more on this issue

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running out. So what would normally be two hundred and forty five, I don't remember two hundred and forty five. Demands Department of Justice to provide at least some of the information. He says he doesn't remember. There's no time for that, And this Department of Justice, under no real management, continues to withhold information and even cause him to withhold

information on those occasions of which he knew something. Komey was given round two today of Komy Paluza twenty eighteen, which is like going to a rock concert where there's no music and they only serve fruit juice, but not even vaping aloud at komy Paluza. But Komey was there today and it was exactly what I expected. Just the same, old, the same old sancta Coomy doing what he does, being evasive, being smarmy, not giving any real answers to any questions,

just generally being a pain and the one. And we might get in a little more of this tomorrow because I'll have more time to focus on this issue, and I want to go back to our immigration battle in a moment here. But I did want to just note that Comey was testifying today. He was asked about what he's done to the FBI's reputation. Play nineteen director Comy, the FBI's reputation has taken a big hit over the

last year. Do you share any of the responsibility for that? No, the FBI's reputation has taken a big hit because the President of the United States, with his acolytes, has lied about it constantly and in face of those lies. A whole lot of good people who watch your network believe that nonsense. That's a tragedy that will be undone eventually. But that damage has nothing to do with me. So what about McCabe, Well, the deputy director of the FBI, they got fired. Did he do anything call me to

hurt the reputation the FBI? What about Jeter Struck working on a case as a senior counterintelligence agent, talking about how Trump is a blanking this and a blanking that while he's investigating him. What about lista page He's a paramore. That's just fine. Huh. She was the same thing. Oh, what can we do to help Hillary? He's got on the list? And what about Comee himself leaking information to the New York Times via a cutout so he can

settle some political score. That's how important Komei thinks. He is always always, remember this. Komy ultimately pretends to care so much about the American people, but he cares so much more about himself than the American people, and that's

evident in everything he does and says. Now, one of the great tragedies that is going on in our country today is the loopholes and our immigration laws, and the deficiencies and immigration laws, and left wing activist judicial rulings that incentivize the most vulnerable populations to come to our country. Last year, administ last year, one hundred thousand unaccompanied alien children or children traveling with adults showed up at our

southern border. President Trump took dramatic action, issued an executive order directing illegal traffic to the ports of entry, but a left wing activist judge issued a reckless nationwide injunction of the President's order, putting thousands of lives at risk and further enriching these grotesque as Stephen Miller is hated by the left, largely because he's effective in talking about immigration policy. I mean they hate him. They they protested him.

I walked past the protest last week, waiting outside of his apartment, harassing him, not letting him, you know, get a good night's sleep, bothering him. Why Well, because when he speaks of immigration, he knows what the heck he's talking about, and he does not mince words. What's going on now is a scam. People are scamming our immigration system thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and there are millions who are here illegally. I'm I'm talking about that.

I'm talking about people that are using this loophole, this idea that if you come to the border with a child, now you deserve special and different treatment. So now people are using in a sense, children as legal human shields in order to get entry into the United States. That's what they are doing. There's also while you have people that show up with children that are not actually family members. This has been that doesn't get reported a lot, but

this is happening. People who are showing up who are human smugglers, human traffickers. The cartels are making millions, tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions, smuggling people and drugs into the United States, maybe meaning that they're using some of the people they're smuggling as part of their drug

running operation, and they're making billions selling drugs. And Stephen Miller is just saying, look, they're not allowing the Trump administration to even do what they're supposed to an immigration Once again, what did we see on the Muslim ban. Oh, it's the most it's the worst thing ever. Oh, it's it's so unconstitutional. It turns out it is constitutional. Oh, it turns out that some activist judges on that when we're wrong, it's that surprised. You know, of course not,

but we know what's really going on here. Stephen Miller is saying, look, this one judge in this case, forget about the Muslim ban for a second, which the Supreme Court said Trump was right and with it his authority. Remember he's the commander chief. You know. Part of the problem here is that the left does not think of immigration as a security related matter. Is this is a really political and culturally salient distinction between left and right. Now.

They don't see any threat, any national security implication of immigrant They just don't. They completely dismiss this idea that any terrorists could ever come into the country via the asylum program. Oh but that's happened. But they still say that never happens. They dismissed the idea of the terrorists

or MS thirteen gang members. You know, you are more likely in this country to die because a gang banger, not to freak everybody out, but because a gang banger you know, pops off a bunch of a bunch of rounds during a drive by, or or you know, or stabs you in a in a robbery than you are from a terrorist attack. So there's the security and law

enforcement component of this as well. And you know, the president has a duty to the citizens of this country to prevent foreign criminal activity from coming into this country. You know that is in the purview of the federal government, in the executive branch, the presidents. That's a top that. But the left rejects the idea that there's any national security importance to the border. They reject the idea that we need to care from a security perspective about what's

going on. And when you look at the seventy thousand plus debts from opioids every year and how much of that overdose rate comes from illegal drugs and the percentage of those illegal drugs that are coming from the cartels, they are a true they are a clear and present danger to United States citizens. The cartels, and the cartels are running a vast majority of the drugs across our southern border. They're not flying them in on planes, they're not floating them in on gun boats or on go

fast or any of that stuff. Yeah, occasionally you see one of these drug runners with a submarine or something, it's mostly running it across the border, sometimes via tunnels, sometimes in the pickup truck. But however it is, they're taking it across our southern border, and we have our government has an obligation to stop that. People are dying. They are dying because of this, and a federal judge says, no,

you can't. You can't in any way influence immigration policy, President Trump, when it comes to the asylum law that's being abused. Notice how they're all about the law at the front end and don't care at the back end. The front end of asylum law is if you show up and claim us and claim asylum and you pass the initial screening, and the initial screening is basically, do you have a credible fear? If you say yes, you get led into the country. Notice how if you listen

to Democrats, that part of the law is sacred. But the okay, if you then don't show up for your immigration hearing, your asylum hearing, or you're denied asylum at the hearing, you must be expelled from the country. That part they fight tooth and nail. This is what democrats do. They don't they don't reject all laws. They just reject

the laws. They don't like, but they are literal, they are black and white on laws they do like, you know, there can be no discretion, there could be no good faith operation from their political opponents who are trying to secure the border, trying to secure the country. And so Miller pointing out that this one judge, this one federal judge, is able to override the president on an area in

his purview. You know, it does force the question what would happen if President Trump responded to an actual invasion of some kind. Let let's say you know that the and I don't know, let's say the Russians grabbed one of the you know, one of the islands off Alaska and Trump was going to respond to it with military force. Could one federal judge be like, sorry, Congress has not given you authority to do this, and would out override the president. It's the little thought experiment you could run.

You know, this is ultimately, this really is about securing the border. You know, Kelly and Conway. I get killing Conway a lot of credit. Man, She's out there, she's in the fight, and she takes so much incoming from the left, and she is she is a fighter. It's not easy to do I even feel sometimes like, man, I don't know how much more of this defamation, you know, I can take from from the lefties. They're just just

such a bunch of wackos. I'm just kidding, though, Shields high, right, I mean, I can't can't be the slogan of the show if I'm not going to hold my shield high. But Kelly an said this about border security play three. This is way beyond immigration or even the wall. This is border security, and border security is national security. This president has made clear that his primary duty to all of us in this country tis to keep us safe. And we see what happens when you have a poorous border.

You have poison like fencannel and heroin cocaine pouring over. You have people trying to come here illegally. You have people being promised by coyotes and others that they've paid thousands of dollars to maybe more. This is a president who knows that we as an have been spending billions of dollars ever decades helping other nations protect their own

sovereign boarders. It's high time we do it here. There were twenty six Democrats in the Senate who voted for the Secure Offences Act in two thousand and six, and they were none other. Let me just highlight a few for you. Senator Joe Biden, Senator Barack Obama, Senator Chuck Schumer, and Senator Ding Ding Ding Hillary Clinton. So what's happened on the border since the two thousand and six Secure Offences Act was pat was voted on. It got worse.

It's more poorous, that's all true. It did get worse. It is more porous. You cannot take Democrats seriously on this issue. They are lying. Oh, we have more on this though, more updates on the border coming up. This is mad what USLBA, This is what Trump. Sure, he doesn't have any law or care of combussion to anybody. So I don't know why nation as a president like him. So I hope you get rid of Trump soon. Where

does the brain line? First? First, the people that was involved directly, but they must or they act under orders from somebody else, And so you have to go all the way to the top. And the language, it's more aggressive than physical violence. Speaking the way Trump speaks is not good for this nation. Change and change soon. Hurgan man going to be there for long. So that's the

former president of Mexico. It Sente Fox doing exactly what a lot of the media did, which was find a way to use the death of a seven year old girl at the border to not just blame Trump's immigration policy, but you really go after the president of the United States. I mean, make this as though, as though Trump himself refuse to give this this girl who was malnourished and dehydried, you know, to give her water to drink. Trump is just no, he is so mean. These people are are crazy.

These people are not operating with a with a rational mindset. And the President of the United States is in no way not ass he's not responsible for this. To claim that that the president would feel anything other than other than sheer horror at this, I mean, look, say, there's a lot of things you can say with this president, a lot of criticisms of him, but you know, I think that he's actually a very sympathetic guy. I think that he gives people too many chances. I think that

he gives people the benefit of the doubt. I think that he views, you know, loyalty as something that's so important that sometimes he does place it above confidence. But more than anything else, I think he's a he's a guy who likes to give people second chances. He's a guy who likes to see what's what's better in folks than what they may even see in themselves. And I think that he is very I think he's very sympathetic. I think that he you know, he likes people. You know,

I don't think Nancy Pelosi's very sympathetic. I'm just gonna call it out. I mean, I think Trump is somebody who really Trump cares about construction workers, he cares about truck drivers, he cares about normal everyday folks. He's not one of them, not saying to him, and he doesn't pretend to me one of them. But I think he does care about them. And the notion that he wouldn't care about a seven year old girl to the boarder,

this is terrible. I mean, Trump fired off missiles because of a chemical weapons attack in Syria and because of the photos of children that were gasping for error that that we're dying in the Syrian civil war. So just you know, it's just a slander. It is just a slander to say that the president doesn't care about this. And then when you go to the policies involved here. Well, actually I don't even good policies. Let's just go to the facts. You know, last week it was oh, look

at Trump. He's response with this, it's so terrible. Well, when you talk to the father of this seven year old girl, here's what he said, Play thirteen. According to DHS officials and the father, the young girl first started showing signs of distress and vomiting during a ninety minute bus ride to a Border patrol station in Lordsburg, New Mexico. The girl died about twenty seven hours after being taken

into custody. The cause hasn't been determined. The father has told officials he has no complaints about how border patrol agents treated him and his daughter, and that he believes everyone around them did everything possible to save the girl's life. The father, all right, I feel terrible for this guy because I have a lot of sympathy for people that are trying to come into this country. Doesn't mean I agree with or mka with those who are doing it illegally,

but I get it. It's a great country we live in. We want to keep it great, though, If we want to make this the beacon of freedom and prosperity and dignity that it is for the rest of the world. You know, we have to preserve it, and that means

the rule of law and sovereignty matter. But that doesn't mean that I don't I don't feel sympathy for the people that want to be here, that I don't understand that urge and that I don't You know, I get it right, you get it too, Yeah, I mean, do I think that you should be able to come here just because you know, Honduras isn't really bad shape? No? But do I feel badly that Honduras is in such bad shape? I mean, you know, on an individual basis, do I feel for people that are trapped in poverty

and misery and have no way of bettering their lives? Yeah, I absolutely do. I think that's a basic human feeling that we all have, at least we as Americans have. I mean, I can't speak to the way that other places in the world view other countries, but certainly that's the way that we are, we the American people. But the father is saying even that that he has no complaints about what the HS did because he knows he airlifted. He's seven year old to a hospital. I mean, he

put her in a helicopter. They had people meet her, right, she was fine. They checked her, she was fine. Nobody thought she wasn't fine. The father didn't note that she wasn't fine, and you know, she wasn't showing any signs of anything. They're they're overwhelmed as it is with all these people who were coming into the country right now, trying to you know, find any way, any loophole to stay here. But there's no outward signs. There's nothing to

point to to suggest that anything is amiss. And the moment that there was, they had they had emergency workers meet at the bus because the girl was having a seizure on the bus, and they emergency workers met her. She had been offered I believe, food and water, according to the reports that I read, and they took her right to the airport. I mean they're doing I mean right to the hospital rather airlifted her with a helicopter. And I'm not saying that, of course they should do that.

Anybody who's in mortal peril should be treated in this way in this country. That's who we are. But let's not pretend they that airlift ride and everything else. I mean, if it's are to add this up, I mean that the cost of that's probably ten or fifteen grand. I mean, you know, let's not act like they didn't do anything. That's all I'm saying. Let's not act like the government said, yeah, you know, too bad, you're not one of us. Furthest

thing from it. And it's so unfair what the Democrats did last week, what the Schumer Pelosi left wing loons were running with, wasn't just an attack on Trump, although that was obviously very high on the agenda. It's also attack on the men and women of border patrol and Immigration and Customs Service who are doing a hard job that we need them to do every day, and they were being thrown under the bus by Democrats pandering to the open borders maniacs in this country. And it's unacceptable.

All right, those be the men and women of our border patrol are men and women just like you and me. They are Americans, they're doing a hard job. They have their own husbands and wives, their own children. And for anyone to suggest, as was so widely suggested, that it was a indifference and policy failure last week that led to that seven year old girl dying. That's a scandal. But this is what we're you know, the scandal is

the lie. But this is what we're going to continue to deal with because the left in it with its lust, its thirst for power. The left is so thirsty for power and authority. With that drive, they are willing to do almost anything that will push them to lie and to defame the men and women of Border Patrol. And we need to be on guard because this was not the fault of the United States people or the United

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A lot of this depends on congressional intent, and if a majority of the House and a majority of the Senate say that this case should be overturned, it'll have a tremendous effect on the appeal. So great run in for a country. We'll be able to get great healthcare. We'll sit down with the Democrats with the Supreme Court of Votes. We'll be sitting down with the Democrats said, we will get great healthcare for our people. Let's say repeal the new place hands a little bit differently. But

it was a big, big victory. All right. So the big news that just broke, what was it over the weekend It came out of the own Friday, is that this judge US Distrecord, Judge Ried O'Connor of Texas, has declared Obamacare unconstitutional. Yeah, it was Friday evening, this game down unconstitutional, which people now say it puts the healthcare, the healthcare law in jeopardy. I have I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you as I always am. I gotta get rid of that figure of speech. I've I'm

mixed about this. I have mixed feelings about this. And no, it's not that I think Obamacare is go to think Obamacare is unconstitutional. I think Obamacare is a badly constructed, badly implemented, and long term, very destructive bill, both to our legal order in this country as well as to the healthcare that we receive. I think that it puts us on oh oh oh and oh buckets all. I'm like the kid is excited in the class to answer

his own questions. Apparently, oh call on me. But then also the third point about it is that as somebody who got I got into media during the Obamacare fight, I mean the era of the Tea Party in Obamacare. That's when I thought that, you know this, this was the place out. I didn't want I work for the executive branch. I didn't want to work for the Obama anymore in sorry for the Obama administration in the CIA. So I left and I wanted to do other things,

and I got this opportunity. Long story short about a being here. I am years later, but I think Obamacare is terrible. That all said, oh wait, no, no. The thing that I didn't add into this is that it was a step on the way to single payer. It was a step on the way to single payer. That I've been saying this many I mean, I'm not saying that I'm like some prognosticator. Everybody's been paying attention, but saying this takes us down the pathway toward single payer.

This takes us to a place where the government all of a sudden starts writing the check. And once the government starts writing the checks for some people's healthcare, then that's how they try to get rid of employer provided healthcare, because employers are going to be like, you know, forget this, let's just have they write the checks for all of our employees. Why do we want to do those? Why don't we want to shoulder the increasing premiums and decreasing

level of care and all this other stuff. Forget that, you know, let people get their their public option, people get their own healthcare via the government. So those are my One Obamacare is constitutional. Two it's crap, lousy and bad for healthcare and bad for the rule of law. And three it's it's just a way point on the path to single pair, which has been Medicare for all slash single pairer. Depending on what the Democrats actually go for.

I don't think they're going to go for true single payer. They'll probably go for some expansion of the Medicare program because people like Medicare. Okay, So then why am I saying I'm mixed about it? Well, because the Republicans in in what I think, I have to say, Republican Congress, in a combination of gutlessness and lack of legislative skill and foresight, Republicans do not have did not have a replacement bill ready to go for this thing. You know,

how is that possible. How could we be in this place whereafter I can't even remember how many it was. I want to say it was dozens. It felt like it was seventy. It might as well have been a million. All these votes that they took on the floor of the House either lived like a repeal or to play all out of care. Okay, great, repealing plays Obamacare. Then when it came time, we couldn't even get fifty one senators to vote for it. And we all know who

is responsible for the shortfall there. But at the end of the day, Republicans did not get it done, and we were told they would get it done. So I think we're allowed to be very disappointed. And Republicans also keep getting schooled in the demagoguery department here by Democrats because it just this just turns into a fight over pre existing conditions. That's all. That's all we ever hear

about prexist. The bill is, you know, thousands of pages long, but it's just you know, oh, Republicans want to take away your previusing conditions, and now it's Republicans want to take away your healthcare. Those of us who also work, saying that all they have to do is pass Obamacare and you'll never really be able to get rid of it. We're right, well, right, So you know that's an additional layer here. I think Republicans don't look good on this.

This isn't a political winner for them because when they had a majority in the House, in the Senate and a Republican in the White House, it's you can't say, oh, buck, they needed sixty votes because they couldn't get to fifty plus one with the tie coming from Pence. They couldn't get there. So it's irrelevant that they couldn't get to the sixty because they couldn't even get to the fifty that they would have needed here, So you know that you got to remember that. So Republicans look look lousy

on this. And then also you know, I don't like responding to a bad a bad decision of the judiciary with with what I think is another weak decision from the judiciary. You know, Obamacare is unconstitutional because of the individual mandate compelling it's it's compelled commerce. Essentially, the government's

forcing it how to buy a product. And as much as you and I can laugh, but how we think the government should probably make people buy a Bible and make people buy a firearm of some kind to keep in their homes, and that would probably make for a better country. Nonetheless, I would not advocate for that, Okay, I do not advocate for the government forcing people to buy a product just to be in this country. People will bring up, oh, health, I'm sure, I mean auto

insurance and other things. That's that's a privilege that people engage in. But look, that was at the part of that was at the heart of the whole, at the part at the heart of the debate before. But you know, you don't you don't have to drive and be in America. You know that that's a regulation on you do. You have to have insurance under the Obamacare mandate, And that's why they have this this penalty associated with it, which

they said was a tax, and it's a penalty. And I think they did real harm to or notion to rule a law by change what could be more of a changing of planed words than saying something is a penalty when it's attacked and it's at taxed when it's a penalty, Wait, which is it? That's so, you know, I don't think that this is a strong decision though I don't think it's a strong decision because ultimately the severability clause and the idea that because you don't have

the individual mandate, the individual mandate is necessary. The individual mandate has not been struck from this thing by a legislative act. It just is not being enforced. And the decision to not enforce it via executive order is different than an act of Congress to remove it. So I don't think it's a strong discilce. I'm just gonna tell you I don't think it's a strong decision, and I don't mean to point people who are all excited, oh, because I'm because it's not gonna last the Fifth Circuit.

This isn't the Ninth Circuit. The Fifth Circuit is a pretty conservative at least as federal circuits go, as a pretty as appeal circuits go, as a pretty conservative one. I don't think this is gonna make it past there, and maybe then it will be appealed to the Supreme Court, but I'm not even sure the Supreme Court would take it up. I think that you'll see this one will likely get get over. This is a decision that will likely get overturned, and then you'll have all the gloating

from the Libs. You say, see, we get our way with the law even when we shouldn't, and then we get our way with the law when we should. You know, let's say that we get it on both sides. So this is not the This is not the sweeping victory that I think a lot of people were hoping it would be when when you see the initial headline. I know I felt the same way when you see the

headline about oh my gosh, look at this. You know, we we should we should be so happy Obamacare is finally you know, it's like ding dong the witch is dead, right, Obamacare is gone. It's not it's not good for it's definitely the law of the land for the next year, so they're not changing it for that, and it's just getting a stay here. You know. Ultimately, this is we're run around all these legal circles with us now with Obamacare. Here's here's where the real as I see, where the

real debate is, or where it really should be. All right, you have, on the one hand, um, a Democrat left that believes that healthcare. This is a really fundamental healthcare debate in this country right now. Democrats and the left think that healthcare is a human right and that the state should be in charge of determining who gets healthcare and at what level. And they can do this better and more efficiently than the than the private sector can.

And they've managed to can vince enough people through a lot of tricks of accounting, people think that Medicare is paid for. Medicare is not paid for. Medicare beneficiaries take twice as much out of the program as they pay into it over their entire life of Medicare taxes. All right, so this, you know, this is a thing. I know

people don't like to hear that. People like say, oh I paid into Medicare, okay, but most people pay into Medicare take out a lot more, which just means that they're they're running up the deficit, that care is running up the depths. And people like it. Of course they like it. It's free stuff. It's it's subsidized by tax dollars of people that pay into it over there, but

it's it's still getting free stuff. But this is how they've managed to convince people that you want the government to be in charge of more of your healthcare by essentially telling them that the free stuff model is just going to get expanded and expanded. But you know that that quote by Thatcher. The problems socialism is you run

out of other people's money. The problem with subsidized healthcare is you're gonna run out of people to subsidize it, and you're going to be the subsit or your children or your grandchildren are going to be the subsidy. That that's where we're heading. So you have the one side, people who just have convinced a large portion of the American electorate that you want the government more involved than

paying more of your money, taxpayer dollars for healthcare. On the other side, you have the hey, let's get the free market involved here. But they're fighting a losing battle right now because the healthcare market is already a large portion of it is already taken up by government spending, and that portion's getting larger all the time, and we're just not winning the argument about how you can get better,

more efficient, more quality care. If you have a free market and healthcare, you know what you really want is essentially everyone to have catastrophic coverage, meaning if you get really sick, you're just covered. Okay, if you get really sick you get and then you know, you have to have some incentive for people. And this is what nobody

wants to talk about. And now you're getting into well, you know, no one wants to talk about diseases that are largely lifestyle driven, which is the biggest single driver of healthcare spending in this country. People say that, oh, look at Europe, They've got better healthcare outcomes than we do. That's because in Europe people are generally a little healthier than they are here, and a lot of that is

diet and lifestyle. The number one drivers of our healthcare spending in terms of disease are type two diabetes, cancer, and heart disease. Those are the ones that are drying and the ones that are getting larger and larger as a percentage all the time are type two diabetes and cardiac diseases, different different disease of the cardiac system. And

that's a lot of that's driven by lifestyle. And that's where you say, okay, well we don't want people have to pay you know, people who have to pay more. But you know, do you have an insurance system or do you have subsidized care? If it's insurance, you know, if you're a drive. If you're somebody who's driving a car one hundred and twenty miles an hour all the time and you're getting caught every now and again, insurance company's gonna charge you more. If you're a smoker, they're

gonna charge you more. Well, there are other things too where they're gonna they if they were doing a true insurance system based on a risk pool, they would charge some people more. We don't want to hear this. This is the and and people who are getting right now, they're probably getting a little frustrated. And even I'm talking about it. It's just the truth. It's just the truth.

So forget about pretty existing conditions. Lifestyle choice as it affects the healthcare market is something that nobody wants to talk about. Nobody wants to look at it and deal with that component of the spending. And so that's why we're just gonna keep getting deeper and deeper down this

down this rabbit hole. And I think we're gonna get to a Medicare for all point in this country where where the you know, the Democrats are going to view that as a winning issue and we're gonna have to deal with with the reality of a country that you know, has a Medicare for all options. It's not going to be good, but it's very popular, and it's very poplic because people don't really understand what it entails. Let me, what does what would that entail? What are the problems

with it? And where's all this Obamacare discussion going. That's going to be our conversation come up here at a moment. Remember we also have my friend Sean Parnell joining to talk about this really difficult case of this green beret who's now facing capital murder chargers for killing a Taliban bombmaker. We'll get to that coming up with Seawan Parnell as a combat vet. Great guy who were talking to us in a moment. Stay with me as to the end

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that said it. It does have to fall. The whole thing hung on the individual mandate, and now that taxes zero, it's gone away, so the act must fall. Their words will come back to haunt them. It should get to the Supreme Court, and Robert says, either going to have to say, you know what, I was just lying. I was trying to come up with some reason to uphold Obamacare. But or he can say, you know what, I said it and I'm in it, and therefore the whole thing

must fall. You guys know, I like Congressman Gohmert out of Texas a lot. I think, I think Louise a great guy. I think he's wrong here, you know, and we know we'll see, we'll see. I mean, I you know, I I I learned a lot more from what I'm wrong, I think than me just run around saying I'm right all the time. So it's maybe maybe the Congressman see something I do own here. But I think he's wrong on this one. Because the individual mandate has not been

removed by Congress, has been removed by executive order. That's different. It's still the law. They're just not enforcing it. And you know, we get very upset when, rightfully show when President Obama, for example, decides that the law isn't really the law and he's not really going to enforce some aspects of it just because he doesn't like some aspects of it. You know, that's that's also um not, that's not good. So I I, you know, I gotta tell him. We gotta keep it real here, folks, I do not

see this one. There are the other the original Obamacare challenge about the individual mandate. Roberts completely screwed that up. But this one, I think, I think conservatives this is not going to stand in. It just puts Republicans in a bad place going forward for healthcare. That's really that's that's my sense of it. And you you know you you heard me. I'm I'll go back and I'll update this one. We'll see if I end up being right. I'm a feeling I will be, but I could be wrong.

So we have this this case of Major Matthew Goldstein, and and I want to We're gonna bring on Sean Parnell, who's my friend and a real great guy combat ve. He's gonna talk about this. But here's Major Matthew Goldstein talking to Brett Barre on November fourth, and also his father talking about this issue. Play clip fourteen. Did you kill the Taliban bomb maker? Yes? You willingly offered up these details at the CIA, right, that's Christ and that's

where it all started. Pretty much. It was an enemy combatant, he was a known bomb maker. He was identified, and the actions taken were to protect the lives of the villagers and those in his unit and the people around him? What is moral? What is ethical when you are in warfare faced with a disgraceful enemy that will kill women and children, that plays by no rules. What's ethical when you know lives are in the balance? Do you leave it to the system or do you decide that you

must act. That's a question we're going to tackle here at a moment. We're going to pose it to my friend Sean Parnell, stay with me, a case of agreean beret who could face the death penalty. President Trump has already waited on this one. He has said he's going to take a look at it. But what exactly is the story behind this h this controversy, what happened with Major Matthew Goldstein? And and what should we make of all this? We've got our friend Sean Parnell with us now.

He is a combat veteran. He led forces on the front lines in Afghanistan, wrote a book about it, a fantastic book called Outlaw Platoon, and he's a former Army ranger. Mister Parnell, great to have you back it. It It is great to be here, Buck, Thanks for having me, all right, man, So so let's just for the folks listening, let's walk through a little bit of this. So, so, uh, Major Goldstein, he's a he's a Green Beret, So he's an army guy.

He is in the Battle of Helmand in Afghanistan, back in what is it twenty ten or twenty ten, and things get really nasty and then what what what is the issue at at? And here's Sean what happened? Well, apparently he killed he killed a guy that a bomb maker, that was responsible for killing a couple of Marines. Um, and you know there, here's the deal, you know where you know? And I said this on Twitter and I

took a lot of criticism for it. But you know, when you're in a war, the object is to win, and you win by killing people, and oftentimes that is an inconvenient truth. Now that's not the sole mission, but you know, the mission of Green Berets is foreign internal defense, which means training up indigenous populations so that so that host nations can fight wars on their own. But ultimately their first mission is just like any anybody else's close with,

and destroy the enemy. Now they knew that this guy was a bomb maker, he had American blood on his hands, and this Green Beret killed him, and so my issue, of course, can we just just to give a little additional context. So my understanding you're from the from the reports that are out is that as you said, he this this guy's a Taliban bomb maker. They just lost two Marines to a bomb. They believe that that he They found bomb making materials in his house after a

sweep near an area. So they so they lost two Marines, they did a sweep, they find the bomb, bomb making materials rather, and then they bring that guy, this this Taliban member back to base, and that Taliban member sees an Afghan tribal elder. The tribal elder is then terrified that the taliband member is going to tell all this Taliban buddies, hey I saw this at you know, so if essentially the elders like, I'm dead and my whole

family's dead. This guy saw me. And so then Goldstein, again this is what's all alleged that what's in the reports hasn't been adjudicated yet in a court. But Goldstein then allegedly just says, all right, this guy, we got to take him out, and so he shoots him and then they bury him in a shallow grave and later take him to a burn pit. This was all in the New York Times review of this. So those are the the you know that, that's the totality the facts as we know them right now. But then, so so

what do you make of this? Well, first of all, I mean, yeah, it's if that, if if those are the facts and that's really what happened, you know there. To me, you know, there's we have we have to we have I mean, to me, we have to look in. We have to look into what happened. I mean, because really we don't know. That's that's from the New York Times. I want to read the official report. Um, but you know, just to give you, to give you a sense of

of how this sort of thing works. You know, we had an interpreter infiltrate Mi Paeltoon and he killed one of my soldiers and wounded four others seriously, and we took him into captivity. We did everything right right, and we sent him up to Bogram and he was released on his own recognisance because you know, we had to because of some paperwork mishap or SNAPf foo and now that soldier, that insurgent, that foreign fighter, if now back on the battlefield killing more Americans. And so, you know,

obviously there has to be a line to see. My issue here, Buck, is that the rules of engagement are slanted towards Americans and are slanted towards war fighters. You know, we have to put American lives first. And so if you follow this logic, of course it's horrific and wrong to execute prisoners while they're in captivity. In fact, it's contrary to our values that Americans as Americans. It's what

separates Americans on the battlefield from our enemy. The compassion that we show them is not a value that they share. But obviously there has to be a fine. There has to be a middle road here, you know, between executing soldiers you know, in prison, which is terrible and wrong it should never happen, to capturing them and doing the right thing and hire just releasing them back on the battlefield, which happens time and time and time again. And you know,

American soldiers sees just get sick of it. They get sick and tired of seeing their their their brothers in arms come home and flag draped coffins because they caught a terrorist, did everything right to capture them and do the do the right thing and make sure that he's that he that he's turned in, and only to have him released. It is the most maddening and frustrating thing in the world. And you know, I have to live with the pain of losing the soldier every day. My soldier,

you know, his name is Scott Cole. His little kit will never hug his father because of this, you know. Um, So it's a tough sean. Can I ask you know, from from the perspective of from a from a civilian perspective of looking at this, it sounds like what Goldstein if he had done things. And also we're assuming that the facts here that have been presented are are the storyline right? There might be additional And also for those wondering how did this all come about? The Army had

an initial investigation. He was reprimanded, but they did not press criminal charges. And then he gave an interview with U and that came out of a CIA interview where he was interviewing for a job. This is all according to The New York Times, interviewing for a job at the CIA in twenty eleven. He said he had killed this guy and then there was an investigation by the army.

There was no charge for the Later he sat down with Bret Bare, who, by the way, for whatever it's worth, I think is one of the fairest and one of the best in the business. But Bret Bare just asked him, look what happened here, and the guy said, yeah, I

killed this guy. And then they've reopened this investigation. But but to me, Sean, it sounds like if Goldstein had done everything that he was supposed to do, what would have happened here is a teleband bombmaker would have gone free killing two Marines suit your point, are never going to see their families again, and would have almost certainly killed this tribal elder probably his family along with him. And you know, maybe maybe we get him again later

on the battlefield. Maybe we don't. Yes, that's my problem with it. And if you if you follow this logic and what I was, what I was saying, and you know you you articulated it perfectly, Buck, But if you follow this logic like they are, the rules of engagement right now, places the lives of the enemy over the lives of Americans, And that to me, it's the core issue that to me is the problem. Um, you're exactly right. Maybe we catch this. Maybe hey, we do everything right

and the system fails us. So what this amounts to is, obviously it's the rules of engagement problem. But we're putting American servicemen and women in situations that are impossible to navigate. There's no right situation. So you capture him, you do the right thing. A bomb maker is released on a paperwork, snapfoo, or you kill him to masure he never goes back

on the battlefield to kill American soldiers again. Now, of course, like god, if this Green Beret executed this guy and dumped him in a shallow grave, yeah, that I got a real problem with that. Um. But that's why I just want to see what the facts are in this case, and I want to hear this guy's side of the

story before I make a final judgment. Yeah, I mean, I think that people also are very understandably reacting with horror at the notion that that one of our own who was called in a situation like this and this is not this is not walking in and you know this is in you know, my lie, this isn't walking in and shooting women and children and someone this is a guy who's trying to defend his guys. He's in a difficult situation and and you know, and he does

what he thinks he needs to do. Not just remember, it's not just justice for those two Marines, it's also saving an Afghan ally and and probably his family too, from god knows what the Taliban was going to do to them. And I think Sean the notion that and they keep this keeps getting repeated in the news reports that the death penalty is even on the table for this guy as a possible charge. People are like, uh, no, way, not not in this America. But no, exactly, it's it's

it's it's absurd, and it's ridiculous, you know. And it's something else that people don't even think about. Right, how many drone strikes have been called from the Oval Office where they where they make calculated, tactical decisions, whether it was George W. Bush, Barack Obama or Donald Trump, right where they know that there's a high value target in a certain area in Pakistan, and they call it a drone strike, and they kill him and every single number

of his family kills included. Now, all of those people that call those drone strikes in from their comfy desks and offices are part of the same chain of command that this green beret is in, except for this green beret is front towards the enemy, getting shot at every single day, making decisions, you know, split second decisions that could mean life or death. And so we're going to throw this guy to the fire, charge him with a crime to where the death penalty is on the table.

But every single civilian or politician has ever called in a drone strike where women and children have been killed, and by the way, it's happened hundreds of times, all those people are okay. So why why Why does the chain of command, why do the rules engagement? Why do they differ for soldiers that are boots on the ground in combat in tougher situations than they do for our own politicians here at home. That's a very good question. I'm wondering, wondering what the answer would be from the

people that are making decisions. Speaking of that showan the President's already gotten on Twitter about this thing. It looks like he says he's gonna look into it. Um if this, if this goes through, and I know that you would say, we'd have to go through the process to find out what the full facts are, right, he'd have to go and you know much more but this than I would

be through UCMJ and through a court martial. And if that all happens, though, and it sounds like the story is that we think it is at this point, presidential commutation, presidential pardon. Would that be top of mind for you too early to know? How how do you assess it? Yeah? Absolutely,

And I would say I would, I would absolutely. I don't want I don't want the screen Beret charge, you know, I mean, like, look, if there have been instances, I think there's one specific instance in Afghanistan up an American soldier going into a home and killing women and kids that to me cannot be tolerated. But but like it's important for people to remember that we are still in a war. The man that the Green Beret killed had

American blood on his hands. If he captures him, he sends him into the system and the system fails him, or we release him and that insurgeon goes back onto the battlefield and kills Americans. It is a lose lose situation.

And to me, we're putting Americans in impossible situations. So to me, the government in the chain of command have a greater responsibility than this green beret do on the battlefield to reform the way that our wars are fought and to basically make the rules of engagement a heck of a lot simpler. And to me, the duty in the onus is on the chain of command rather than this green beret. There's a there's a reason why the army sort of just slapped him on the wrist and said,

you know, move out and draw fire, so to speak. Now, this investigation was reopened after the fact, but I do think, I do think that the president needs to get involved and he needs to have a real hard look at what our rules of engagement are in whether or not they benefit American soldiers or the enemy. Sean part Now, everybody, the author of Outlaw Plaitude and Sean, we got to leave it there for now. Thank you for your service, my friend, always going to talk to you, and thanks

for your perspective on this one. Everybody, America, we all love Casey's show No No Prague. Ever, never he posted it on the internet. When the lawyers from McDermot, Will and Emory answered that question and he's actually instructed me when I was serving as this lawyer. Just don't answer it anymore because it's one of these silly things that constantly gets repeated. So the answers, No, he's never been to Prague, or even are we player asking what about

the suburbs of Prague nowhere nearby? Okay, that's lady Davis who was the lawyer for Michael Cohen talking about Prague. Now why do we care about Prague? What about Prague is of interest to this one? Oh? That's right. Prague, you'll remember, was the place where Michael Cohen was, according to the dossier, supposed to have visited as part of

the whole Russia collusion scandal. Now that Prague would appear in this way in the dossier, in the phony bologny nonsense DNC funded Hillary Clinton stamp of approval slime document anti Trump screed that was the dossier, that that Prague appears there. That and now we know, beyond any reasonable doubt it should never have appeared there. This is meaningful.

This tells us something. This is not This is not something that we should just look at and say, oh, you know, who cares, no big deal, Because this is one of those verifiable or falsifiable facts. You know, if you recall when we were talking here on this show about the blasi Ford situation, right Christine Blasiford, she came out and I said that from the get go there remember she's wrong, she's either lying or delusional on the other women are just straight up lying who accused Kavanaugh.

But from the get go it was highly convenient and therefore very suspect that every aspect of her story was impossible based on her gaps in member impossible to falsify. You know, did not know the date, did not know the house, did not know who took her home, did not you know, all the things that you would have to have in place in or any of the things that you could have in place to say that is

factually inaccurate. This this thing that you've this this story that you're telling, this fact that you've put into it, we can prove is false. Because once you have a false fact, then you have people raising doubts about the whole rest of it. Now apply that, which is one of the reasons why I knew that the Plasi fourth thing was a scam, because you know, they just happened to look far back, and it was plausible enough but vague enough that you could believe it, but you could

not disbelieve it. Um. So that's that's important. On the uh, on the you know Prague traveling, that we don't that we don't know that we don't know more of the dossier's falsifications at this point is not or rather that we can't prove it more of as false does not mean that we should not have huge red flags going off in our minds about you know, they got this wrong, what else did they get wrong? Right? I mean, you know, we'd know Prague didn't happen, but what else in there?

People would say, oh, buck, the Russian hookers and the Golden Shower. I'm pardon me, that's what it's said in the dossier. I know, I know, I'm not trying to be gross, but the you know, those aspects of it, people would say, well, we can't disprove it yet. But since we can disprove Prague, does not mean that we

should have more doubts about the whole dossier's veracity. And then add into this, the dossier was used by the federal government for a counterintelligence investigation using FISA warrants, which means the most sophisticated intelligence apparatus on the planet was affect actively turned against individuals like Papadopoulos and Carter Page. Where the charges I remind you where the charge against against carter Page. Remember when carter Page was like patient

zero of Russia collusion. I mean, carter Page was supposed to be the guy who was gonna make all there's lunacy, no charges. They can't even get this guy online about anything. I mean, he's the most earnest I'll talk to you about whatever you want, as long as you want. Guy. Ever, I don't even know if he has counsel representing Hi when he meets with the Special Council. No charges against carter Page. But the dossier was used in order to get that fires app up. I mean, this stuff is

a sham. It's an embarrassment because Russia collusion's a farce. But the sad truth is that it served its purpose. Now that we know the produc didn't happen, we know the dossier's garbage, We know that all the Russia collusion stuff is nonsense. You know what they've done. They've moved on to other other so called crimes. Which was always the plan. The obvious point that everybody should understand is that the FBI didn't ask him these questions to learn

the truth because they knew the truth. They knew the truth. They weren't trying to obtain more information. They were simply giving him an opportunity to lie. I don't think in America we want to empower the FBI of grand juries, of prosecutors to impose morality tests, criminal morality tests on citizens, get them opportunities to lie, opportunities to tell the truth, test them. And as Judge Sullivan implied, and as Judge Ellis said very clearly, the goal here was not to

get Flynn. Obviously, He's just a means to the end. Their goal was to find some low hanging fruits, figure out a way of getting him to lie to the FBI so that they could squeeze him. Then either the sing or to compose the obvious target here was Donald Trump. The obvious target of the whole Flynn saga, Donald Trump. That much as for sure, let me take a moment to step back here and just say that it's it's troubling to me to see how even the most basic

notions of fairness. You know, one of the things that really does separate this country from other countries is the respect that that every American historically has had for the rule of law. It's something that we really do take from English common law and from our from our colonial our colonial founding. And you know, we we have this notion that people all, we all kind of know the

laws important. We all know. And I'm not saying people don't obviously either have ignorance of the law or discard it when they see fit, but in general, we take the law very seriously, in fact orwell in his in some of his writings made it very clear that what he felt made Englishmen different in the nineteen forties from other countries was just this idea that the law applies to everyone, and everyone has to obey the law, and the law is meaningful. That's not true in a lot

of countries. A lot of countries the law is always kind of up to debate discussion, based purely upon power dynamics. Right, Well, the law isn't really the law if you're you know, a shake, you know, if you're from the Middle East, the law doesn't really count. The law isn't really the law if you're tied to the royal family in some other country, you know the law and so on and so forth. And we don't accept that, and we don't we don't believe it that that should be something that

we change, that we adopt from other countries. But what we're seeing increasing is that people view the laws of political instrument not mean not that the law obviously isn't always going to have political implications, but that they can try to abuse the law specifically to find a way

of attacking their political opponents. And and this is very self evident when you just do a little bit of a mental checklist here of Okay, what are some of the things that we've been told are really important laws that are used to go after either Trump or his associates, or try to come up with some narrative meant to take down Trump as his associates. The Logan Act. Okay, Logan Act has never been used in two hundred years.

The Logan Act is effectively not really a law, but Sally Aids pretend that it was a law so that she could go after a Trump associate. But you know, the Logan Actor. That that's one example of one What about the emolument's clause. How many people have really thought long and hard about the emolument's clause? Oh, Trump can't be president because of owning hotels, and and if a foreigner pays money in a hotel to stay there, and Trump owns some interest in that hotel, it could influence

I mean, this is this is nonsense, right. What it really would mean is that nobody could nobody could be a businessman and go into government without giving up all of their ownership in any company or any business. That's what it would mean based on this liberal interpretation of And then you get into a campaign finance law, which is among the most arbitrary of all the laws that exist. Why is the current maximum personal contribution? I don't even

know what it is. I think it's twenty seven hundred dollars something. Why is that the number? Because they say so? Why isn't it five thousand? Why is it in fifty thousand? Because they say so? I mean, there's really no rhyme or reason to it. This is not really much of a They just kind of threw a dart at a board and said, yeah, we'll say that's what the And if you spend more than that or you give more money than that. If you use a straw donor or

anything like that, you're a criminal. Now they want they want you to believe you're a criminal. Meanwhile, the media really operates as an unlicensed I mean, the mainstream corporate media operates as an unlicensed Democrat pack and has a tremendous amount of influence over the elections and don't have to think about whether they're giving by they make airtime decisions. My friend, that is money, Make make no mistake about it. That is money they're giving by the way they cover people.

That is money. It is effectively dollars. What do most political campaigns spend a majority of their funds on ad buys? That's right, ad buys for advertising. Well, you know, you can see now from the way that Trump was so successful, if you're just effective enough at media, you don't even need to spend that money. You spend more money the

other guy on that. So anyway, you see how there's all these different ways though that the Democrat Party has just tried to find a means to use the law, find a way to come up with a construct of the law that Trump or his people have violated it. And online to the FBI. There should be way more introspection about what's really going on here. I mean that we accept, or we're supposed to accept, that the government

can lie to you lots and lots. I mean, the government can tell you that your wife has flipped on you, that you're they can tell you that you know they've got you on a wire tap that don't even have you on. They can put somebody next to you who pretends to be your best friend and care about you more than anybody, and then that person you know, was wearing a wire I mean, you know, all the different ways of subterfuge of deception the government can engage in.

And and you know people say, oh, Buck, that's necessary to catch drug dealers. Yeah, but but there's a discretion involved here, right the same way that you know, technically the government can send in a squat team I guess whenever it decides that it feels like it. But we

get a little bit annoyed at. You know, what would be a clear abuse of authority if, for example, you've got a white collar criminal says he's going to turn himself in on on Monday, and the government just to make a make a stink and they've done this kind of thing before. They'll send in you know, of twenty guys who are armed to arrest somebody in their office.

You know, that's the pre Berara move, by the way, to try to get maximum press and I try to make an arrest as much of a show trial as possible. That's right, pret CNN Barrera. You know this is there's so many ways that the law can be abused, and we need to be aware of it. And that's not the same thing as abusing the foundation of the system. That's trying to make sure the system is function the

way it's supposed to. You know, there's a difference between trying to blow the whole thing up and trying to criticize it to make sure that it's what we've been promised and what we're supposed to have. And this will aligned to the FBI thing with Flynn. I mean, that's where I see them really just abandoned any ideas of

basic fairness. Now, I also have to note that these guilty police today from these Flynn, these Flynn associated individuals for this Turkish lobbying, right that that you could have somebody that's working as the incoming national security advisor. I'm sorry, indicted, not not guilty. Please indicted, Pardon me. That's what I meant to say. That you have these former Flint associates who are indicted. Let me just say this is bad. I'm not here to defend everything that General Flynn did,

despite his decades of military service. I'm not here to say that everything flinted. I've told you from the beginning I did not like the General Flynn took money from RT from Russia today, which is a Kremlin propaganda channel.

Now I'm not saying it's criminal. I'm just saying I don't like it because when Buck was living with, you know, three roommates in the West Village in New York and had no money and was being offered has on RT, I think I'm not going to be a part of that, you know, And they were trying to sweet talk me and I could have been a contributor there and all this other stuff in no way never even appeared on

their air. And I made that conscious decision. Now, other people could feel differently about it, I can get but but I don't. I'm not okay with that. The Flynn associate here, bijon Kian, who's been charged as part of conspiracy to violet federal lobbying rules. He faces up to fifteen years in prison. And he got these these two guys, Bijon Kian and Akim Alpteken, who were using Flynn on their masthead in a sense to add to their credibility that they were trying to get this. There's a lot

of complexity here with this case. But Gulan, who is this exiled cleric because living in Pennsylvania of all places, get him extradited to Turkey. And they're doing this in a shady fashion. This is not okay. And I think this may be why General Flynn hasn't fought the line charge more vociferously, because this is good. This is a tougher thing for people to to brush off, excuse, or

defend based on the fact pattern I'm seeing here. You cannot have the incoming National Security advisor associated with a stealth a stealth lobbying campaign for the Air Douan government in Turkey with regard to US policy that affects Turkey. This is bad. This is very problematic. So I would just note that Flynn. I've been a very strong defender of Flynn because I know because he was set up. I mean, they entrapped him. The whole thing is garbage.

But this Turkish lobbying, this, this looks like really poor judgment. Was Flynn's rolling a criminal? I don't know. We'd have to see what the what the facts of the case are, but you know, I think if Flynn was in look, he shouldn't have been involved with this at all. He really shouldn't have. So I'm gonna want to watch watch this case play out a bit and see. But this, this is, uh, this is troubling. I mean, I don't don't think that Flynn was paying enough attention here at

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you shouldn't lie. You should have been told you can have a lawyer. Think of the state of affairs we've ended up in. That's nonsense. I'm very proud of the way the FBI conducted itself, agile, flexible, thoughtful, pursue the leads where you'd want us to. I just wanted to return to this for a moment here, because the criticism of what the FBI did to Flynn is in my opinion, rock solid and Comey is a disgrace, and I'm I

feel almost like as an American, I've been violated. Knowing that James Comy has had as much authority in the United States Government, in the executive branch as he has for as long as he has that James Comy was making investigative and in the case of Hillary, prosecutorial apparently decisions and prosecutorial decisions before that when he was a US attorney. That gives me. That gives me the creeps. This is not a This is not a person that

should be given power. There's a person who's really drunk on his own self righteousness and is not fair minded. He's not He's not a fair actor in this at all. And let me just say, you know, when he starts getting all huffy about how the FBI someone lied, the FBI, well, you know what, they prosecuted Scooter Libby for lying about a conversation. And that was Comy's good buddy, Patrick Fitzgerald, by the way, who was in his own he was

the special counsel before. Not notice a pattern, your folks, Republican administration and special counsel goes right to the heart of trying to take out one of the top officials of the United States government, if not the president, the vice president. This doesn't you know, we don't play the game as dirty as they do. No special counselor to the Obama years, no special counsel on Benghazi, no special counsel on Fast and Furious, no special counsel on the

irs targeting of conservatives. And these are all real things that happened. These are not crazy conspiracy theories like Russia collusion. But Comey's gonna pull this crap, say, oh, the FBI he pleaded guilty. Yeah, people plead guilty. All the time because they don't want to spend the rest of their life in prison. The fact pattern looks terrible for the FBI, looks terrible for the DJ About what happened here with Flynn, there was no reason to sit down and talk to

him none. It was based on a pretext the logan at gimme in, give me a break. It's this is like saying, we need to sit down and talk to talk to Flynn because of this email we got about aliens landing tomorrow. We wanted to ask if he knows about the aliens that are landing in the in the spaceship. This is crap, but it was crap when they went

after Scooter Livy and that was also political targeting. And you know, James Comey's buddy Fitzgerald was the one who pushed that thing through and they tried to ruin a man's life over that. They were gonna send him to prison. He was gonna he was gonna serve I think eighteen months in federal prison, you know, do some real time for lying about a non crime, lying about some desk jockey who is running around pretending like she's an international superspy.

So much a superspy that she was doing a cover shoot for Vanity Fair while this whole thing was going on. She's so worried about all the people that might have been exposed overseas because her name was exposed. Give me a break. Her husband's writing op eds where he's supposed to be on some secret trip for the government in the New York Times, your racist op ed on it. I mean, it's just these people have no ethics. I mean,

this is part of the problem. This is why when they want to criticize the ethics on our side, I just say, you guys are a joke. They're a joke. We'rena listening to them. We're gonna listen to Sanctacomey drone on about this stuff. I mean, you know, I think Flynn showed some bad judgment on some things that all said. I'd say General Flynn over James Comey one hundred times and twice on Sunday. They have done so much here to break faith with the American people's conception of what

our justice system is supposed to be. I mean, the damage that has been done to the DOJ, the damage that has been done to our perception that both sides of the political spectrum, and people say, oh, bucklets so weird. Why do you say that. No, the establishment and the bureaucracy are one and the same, and the bureaucracy is now skewed toward the party of the state, because the state big s is always going to be the party

of the bureaucracy. Right, if you are a federal government studge who's been doing this for thirty years and your senior government official, it is very likely, it is very likely you're going to be a Democrat and maybe even a progressive one. It's not true of everybody I know. I know they're conservative patriots listen to the show. Who've been working for you, working for the Department of Agriculture

or department whatever. But you know this, you don't even mean to tell you because I remember when I was the CIA. You got to keep that conservative Republican stuff to yourself when you're in the government, because the system is all about self perpetuation. And this real separation between those who believe that the citizenry live and exist by their leave and those who think that they're supposed to be serving the citizens of this country is a very

very different perception here. I mean a lot of people like James Comey going to government service because they think that we need them to guide us. You see, James Comby thinks himself as almost like a guardian angel of American ethics and morality and law. And that's how that's how he you know, that's how he is able to sleep soundly at night. In reality, James Comey has made people like me trust the DOJ less than ever. And you know, I'll tell you this if I ever got

into an issue at the federal government. Now, do I feel like as a conservative who's vocal, who's known, who is on record, and who has has an audience, has a platform, has real sway in the conversation, Do I think I'd be fairly treated by the DOJ? Nope? I do not. Did denish to SUSA think he was fairly treated by the DOJ? Certainly not Scooter Liberty? Nope. I mean you got on the list of all these people,

all these conservatives, where's the equivalent of their side? Where are the Democrats who have gotten rough stuff from the DOJ? You know, the ones who do deserve it and then some But when it comes to judge calls, when it comes to the gray area our side. Conservatives always get the short end of the stick. And it's not an accident. It's Christmas Eve in LA. He's California. Well, we'll see what Santa and Mommy can do. Bay a New York cup. John McLean has come to see his wife. Instead, he's

going to have to save her. Down within this skyscraper high above the city, twelve terrorists have declared war and they're about to between the Left ander real use of parent there. It is brilliant. Okay, we get the idea. That's right, the original Diehard. Everybody now's the the the official trailer for it. The greatest Christmas movie of all time. You know, we all make jokes about this. Conservatives love to talk about how Diehard is the greatest movie. It's

my number one all time action movie. But it is also just a fantastic movie in general. And yes, it does entirely take place on Christmas Eve. What other movie can you say that? For? Now? There is this based on streaming data and I sent this to John too. There is this state by state comparison of based on stream so based on what people really want to watch, what is their favorite Christmas movie by state? And Wow,

are there are some surprises on here. All right, let's just John, I want to pass this to you of the map of US states, of all the movies that are favorites for that state for Christmas movies, which one did you find the most surprising. I'm looking at New York State because I was interested to see what that is. I don't know what the apartment is, John, I couldn't agree anymore. I don't even know what the heck the

apartment is. This is a Christmas movie that I've never heard of, with the most boring name and the apartment. I have to look this thing up. I don't even know. I was also, so you get the prize because I agree with you. Man, I know you're in New York, and I would have never guessed. I love. I know producer Mike is is cutting up some audio for the end of the show right now, but trading places for Pennsylvania because it all takes place in Philly. I like that.

I like it that Pennsylvania gives trading places with Eddie Murphy all do love because it does take place in Philadelphia. So you have that. The ones that the ones that really surprised me though, in terms of the amount of coverage. First of all, die Hard is the favorite movie for Christmas of Washington State. What Up Washington? Whoo, We're up? We're up on a Washington a couple of Washington State stations. And also die Hard is the favorite of Wisconsin. Hey,

what's up Wisconsin? As well as Missouri. So Missouri, Washington State at Wisconsin love die Hard. And the one that surprised me though, was that Batman Returns the Tim Burton version of Batman, the second Tim Burton Batman movie. That's the number one in California and Florida. John, what do you think about that? I didn't see that one coming. Is it a warm weather thing that they like that movie? No,

it's that's a fair question. But I mean two of our biggest our number one state by population, I think number four. I think Florida's number four, though I think Louisiana also is Batman Returns. Yeah, Louisiana is also in a Batman because, which I find I don't even think of that as a Christmas movie, although it technically does have a whole Christmas snowing vibe. It's a very dark film, by the way. I remember seeing it. Remember the Penguin wants to like march all the children of Gotham into

the into the icy sewer system. It was pretty it's pretty rough. The Nightmare Before Christmas is a movie that people like in the Southwest. Edward Scissorhands, a lot of Tim Burton movies, Yeah, a lot of Tim Burton movies. Who knew that Tim Burton had such a profound effect on Christmas movie fair. Everyone listening to the show right now, I think, is like, what the heck? What about a

Christmas story? What about Miracle on forty second Street? What about you know, go down all those classics, right, I mean even you know, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, the live action. I mean, none of that really seems to get much. Gremlin's another one. The entire Southeastern like sec conference part of the country. You got, what is this? North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama? All that is Gremlin's country, which is a shock Scrooge to also make some appearances

on here. The only the only state that I say country before I'm in state, The only state that has elf as it's number one is Kentucky, which I didn't realize that there was so much love for for for the movie Elf but to people like Elfred Kentucky. So there you go, and there's some Oh my gosh, Massachusetts, love actually Massachusetts? What are you? What are you doing to me? You know, there's so much to love about Massachusetts.

Boston's a great town, great sports teams, great food, amazing history. What are you doing to me with love actually is? And see the people who live in Boston who listen to this show, We're all like, buck, love actually is gobbage? And you know what, they're right, because love actually is gobbage. And I'm just glad that we can establish that. If producer Mike was here, I'd have them do a Philly accent for Trading Places, because we know the Trading Places

is a Trading Places. A good movie I would offer to you. I just walked in. Hey, hey, you see the Trading Places? You got this map? John can show you Trading Places the number one film for Christmas for State of Pennsylvania. Yeah, man, I know that. That's actually part of it was filmed in the Billy my dadd used to work. I love that growing up. We so you always go down there and into that building and in the lobby where he goes rolling in on his car,

Eddie Murphy. It's great. Want to do one of the great, one of the great Philly based its movies. It is an amazing movie. I mean, I think Rocky is still number one, but trading places it's got to be like top five, absolutely not including historical dramas with you know, the Founding five. Yeah, Rocky's definitely won, but trade places as a strong Till there we go, it's spoken from Philadelphia. Mike himself comes in. Yo, Yo, lunch team. We got roll call up next. The show ain't over yet, folks.

It's time for roll call, Roll call time. Everybody hits Monday. I had a very fun weekend. I have to say, I miss Molly and I went to the Kennedy Center, and I have to admit to you all, despite it may make me sound like something of a savage, I lived in DC for years before and never once may to the Kennedy Center. This was my first ever Kennedy

Center visit. Now, I've been more times than I can remember to the Metropolitan Opera in New York City, to Avery Fisher Hall, to those kinds of venues, but never made it to the Kennedy Center. We had a lovely time. It was definitely a kind of a family fair event. I'd say it was. It was Christmas music meant for families with kids and everything. But it was really nice and the woman I can remember her name who was the soloist, was incredible. They did a whole medley of

the Christmas songs that you love to hate. But overall I think it was it was quite good. I have to be honest with you, and I enjoyed it in the Kennedy Center. Obviously a lot of fun stuff going on there. I'm gonna have to take Miss Molly back. We'll have to make another run to the Kennedy Center sometime soon. I enjoyed it, all right, Your thoughts not mine. Roll call time. The team is like, stop trespassing on

our time. Buck, you get to talk for hours on end. Silence, you old windbag, you sexton re rights love your show. Podcast listener in Europe, Elibanser, I don't know why I'd assume you're French. There's a lot of languages in Europe. When you have the dirsh on, could you ask him why he defended Jeffrey Epstein in the International sex Trafficking case and why Alex Acosta gave Epstein a light sentence. Please thank you, Acosta. I don't really care what his

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Don writes, Could it be that the Flynn false statement is omission of facts during a conversation? False statement is ambiguous on items stated and items not stated. If I was a natural security advisor, I would hold back details about my phone calls with random FBI people. If asked about the content of the call, I would say this and that when in doubt compartment compartmentalized information. Right is

he even allowed to disclose details. I think it far more likely that Flynn omitted details rather than stated false details. Don It's really tough to know, you know. Andie McCarthy did a very excellent rundown over the weekend on National Review of how he says it look Flynn probably lied, but they definitely set him up to get him in a lie that didn't really matter. But he that Flynn

probably did lie. And you know the reason for that is maybe he was a little embarrassed that he had already lied publicly and figured he could lie to some FBI. I guess I'm just telling you what Andy said. And you hear Andy on this show regularly. You see him on Fox News regularly. You know, he's not some anti Trump zellot at all. In fact, he agrees with me a lot more now than he used to about what a scam the Special Counsel has turned into with regard

to the politics, right. I mean, it's a very political instrument. Andy was willing to with whole judgment on it, but he says, now, I'm sorry. You know, Flint is out Flynn is out there, you know, getting the rough stuff from Team Muller and the Office Special counsel is essentially a scalphunting expedition. That's really what it has turned into. It's not supposed to be that. It's a shame, but that's where it is. So, I know, I think you're

don your theory about alive omission is possible. I think it more likely that Flynn probably just said something that he may be justified to himself as Oh, that's just my interpretation, you know. That's that's how I think about what I said to Ambassador Kisliak. But with the transcript there, they're able to snag him on inaccuracy. Lauren, right, it's I can't believe the FBI would allow agents to write

three zero two's months after the fact. In nursing, we have a saying if it isn't charted, it didn't happen. So if we failed to chart, which means enter info into the medical record during our shift, every intervention that we performed during our shift, we were legally liable for any lack of patient care or any patient harm, even if in fact we had cared for the patient properly. I feel like the FBI, with as much power as they will, should at least be as accountable as nurses Laurd.

I think that's an excellent point. Totally agree with you, and yes you are right, and this is a very thoughtful post you've written to me. Also, she wrote, maybe Lieutenant General Mike Lynch, you're just saying the meeting wasn't documented so it didn't happen. Boom Lord is dropping the knowledge. Sorry, I don't mean he yelling your ears, guys, I just realized that that probably went a little loud over the mic.

I gotta watch that. I move around quite a bit during radio, so if you ever hear things sounds like a bumping, don't worry. It's okay. If the Freedom hut's a rocking, you can come a knock in, because it just means that I'm moving around as I'm getting animated and talking on the radio. Nothing else going on in here, so you can you could always knock. I guess though none of you technically really visit me at the Freedom of which is probably for the best because it's it

is a hut. It is small Paul right buck, if you've talked about this before, I missed it is Inspector General Horrow. It's a straight shooter. What is his rep around the alphabet soup agencies. Also, what the heck was wrong with your mic on Thursday? All that tapping sounded like you had Woody Woodpecker on for an interview. Paul, I'm sorry. I think what happened was I was moving around to the chair. It's funny. I didn't even know that that was going to be the next that was

gonna be the next message we got to. But some of you pointed out that there was some tap tap tap tappy going on with the microphone tap tapperou And that was just me moving around a lot and bumping into the desk and bump into the mic. And this is one of my radio skills that I or radio technique things that I have to work on, is I'm used to TV wherehab a lapel mic and you can just sort of just move around and do whatever you want.

And I like to slouch, I like to lean over or I'm very I try to be h well, I probably should just sit up, ramrod back straight, but I have some some TV habits that blend over and that's probably not for the best. But that's what that tap tap a U was all about. Chris writes buck Love the show well Chris the Show loves You, please spend

some time we talk about perjury traps defining lying. Most people assume a willful misrepresentation of the truth and intent in these cases, they include just being imprecise or even an honest mistake. We talked with this in your show. Used the word lie can confuse people, even model a message. Even Andy McCarthy uses the word lie when he means innocent mistakes being construed as lies. Hopes this makes sense from Chris, you know, I think you raised an interesting

point there. I mean is when is a lie a lie? And people who chuckle at that notion, people who think that's such a funny question, don't have a particularly sophisticated understanding of our legal system, of these statutes in play here, and of truth in general. When is it a memory lapse? When is it a difference of interpretation? When is it material? A lie is supposed to be material for it to

be a chargeable offense. So that there's a lot of different ways that you can look at this problem, a lot different ways to slice it, and I think that we shouldntinue to ask those questions our team that's gonna be it from the Freedom hunt for today and with you every day this week, we're going to close out the holiday season strong. So used to join me here in the Hut and make sure you tell somebody at your at your Christmas gathering this year, like hey, what,

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