You are entering the freedom hunt. The left has gone mad. They are now supporting an abortion bill in Virginia that is nothing short of infanticide. We have to confront this evil head on. We'll talk about that and then move into a discussion of socialism and single payer healthcare. The Democrats are embracing both ideas. We have to fight back
and win. That's all coming up. This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence, Make no mistake America American again. The Buck Sexton Show begins. Analysts, now, welcome to the Buck sex And Show everybody. A lot of a lot of things. That covered a lot of policy to discuss. We will get into the latest on the
immigration debate. It was very gratified to see that the President shared my editorial from the Hill earlier this week on immigration and talking about the the scams and the dishonesty around the asylum process, the need for a border wall, the crisis at the border. So word word is getting out and if you haven't read that piece, I think it's worth it's worth your time. And I was very I was very pleased that the President was very gratifying.
The President of the White House official Twitter accounts both shared it. We'll also discuss socialism and this this huge, huge fight that's coming over Medicare for all, which is going to be the central promise other than anti Trump is m and getting rid of Trump. Promise of the Democrats in twenty twenty is going to be Medicare for all. It was originally healthcare coverage for everybody. Now it's just going to be healthcare for everybody that somebody else will
pay for. This is disastrous on a number of levels, but it is a very real threat. I do think a lot of the conservatives out there think that we can just say, haha, socialism, socialism stinks, nobody wants it, and that will be sufficient. It will not be sufficient. The polls are showing, the conversations are shifting. People are fed up with what is a lot of government intrusion and distortion in the healthcare market to begin with, and then there's this impulse to just say, fine, let's just
have the government charge of all of it. And this all along was why Obamacare was meant to put us in this position. All along, this was the goal. We knew it. We weren't able to stop them. We're going to have to win on the battlefield of ideas. Going ahead on this or else. You're just gonna wait, you know, eighteen months for the for the hip replacement you need. You're gonna wait eight weeks to see a specialist for a you know, whatever, whatever infection or problem you have.
And it's not going to be a very good doctor. You can see whoever they, whoever they the government tells you to see. That's going to be the reality. But I wanted to start with something else today. This is this is one of those topics where I feel an obligation to talk about it, even though I know that it's not necessarily a subject matter that after a long day at the office, a lot of people are gonna
want to dive into and hear about it. And I understand that, and look, you know, I do the best that I can every single day to make sure that I make maximum usage of our time together. I spend my whole day preparing for these hours that I get with all of you. And so some days the topics are going to be hard, hard to talk about it, I'm sure hard to listen to. And today is one of those days we are confronting evil in this country. Now, as a matter of partisan policy, the Democratic Party has
openly embraced evil. I'm not saying, you know, they're they're making bad decisions on some matter of economic policy. I'm not I'm saying that they have now crossed over into open, clear immorality. Democrats have legalized infanticide. That is not an overstatement. That is a straightforward understanding, a straightforward application of the laws that they are supporting, first in the state of in the state of New York, and then today we find out more in the state of Virginia. This cannot
be allowed to stand. This cannot continue. This is a stain on this country. It is the single greatest moral stain on this country. Today you have Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia who was on a radio show today and it was one of the more chilling interviews of any kind I have ever heard. I mean, I'm somebody who, in his professional capacity as a counter terrorism analyst, used to have to listen, to watch and see some pretty
terrible things. When you're dealing in the world of al Qaida and al Qaida and Iraq and different terrorist groups, you see and hear horrible things that happened that are happening to people, that have happened to people, and you see the aftermath of different strikes, of ied strikes, and
you know, it's it's stuff that stays with you. This conversation, casual, calm, conversation that the Governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam, had on this radio show today is it's the kind of discussion that I think many of you will remember for quite a while afterwards, not because of the energy or the there was nothing profound. It's actually the finality of evil.
For your ears, play clip nine. There was a very contentious committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delicate Cathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third trimester abortions as well as other restrictions now in place. And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion even as a woman is essentially dilating ready to give birth, and she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor. Do
you support her measure and explain her answer. But when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way, and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I
can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mothers. We want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers.
And this is why Julie that legislators, most of whom are men, by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should and shouldn't be doing with her body. That's the most grotesquely immoral and disgusting thing a politician has said in my lifetime. Although obviously a Cuomo support for a similar bill in New York is right up there.
We can just walk through what was said. This is the governor of Virginia, the chief elected official of the state of Virginia, and he says that an infant under the law that Democrats are putting forward here in this abortion bill, under the law, an infant would be delivered. So then now we're talking about baby outside the womb.
That is what delivered means a baby delivered outside the womb would be made comfortable, which means that obviously there's an understanding that this is a person who feels pain, who has a fully functioning brain, central nervous system, heart, lung, eyes, little fingers, little feet, a baby. And then once they had made the delivered infant comfortable, they would have a they would have the right to resuscitate or not resuscitate, and figure out what they want to do with the baby.
He is talking about killing a baby outside the womb and saying it is legal. There's no wiggle room on this. There's no good faith two sides. This is infanticide, this is killing babies. And there's a feeling here of tremendous regression. I've mentioned you before that my college advisor, thesis advisor, Professor Hadley Archy's who was the only only outspoken conservative on my whole college campus and was somebody that played a very important role in the development of my my
own politics and political philosophy. He was part of the early drafting of what's known as the Born Alive in Protection Act. I've told people what that bill says. It's a federal it's a federal laws. By the way, I believe this, this must be in violation of it. I'm assuming this will be This will be challenged in the courts. I certainly hope it is. It will be challenged in this life or the next. I can assure you that. But Hadley or Professor Arki's he lets me call him Hadley.
Now he had to write or put forward that, if nothing else, the abortion extremist should have to consent to keeping a baby outside the womb that is alive, alive because under the under the understanding post Roe v. Wade that persistent in the courts, the right to an abortion was the right to a dead baby, even if during the abortion procedure. And this has happened. There are people who have survived botched abortions. The baby came out and
was still alive. They had to pass a bill. By the way, you want to know who did not vote in favor of that bill in the state Assembly got to pass on this one, of course, because he wanted that that planned parenthood money. When he was running Barack Obama as a state senator. One of very few I would know, but he knew. You want to be in with the Democrats, you want to be part of the left and really have them fully behind you, you have
to be an abortion extremist. All nine months. This is all nine months of the pregnancy, up to and beyond the moment of birth. How could anybody say this? How could anybody make this argument? The most vulnerable people in our society, The most precious thing we have in our society is life. The most vulnerable people in our society are infants. And Democrats are spending their time and resources and power to pass laws that allow people and I know that people that there will be this. Oh, it's
it's very rare. Well, it's very rare. It is not a justification for any other kind of murder. So I need to know why they think it's very rare would be a justification for this kind of murder. This is not there's no gray area here. This is black and white. Democrats believe that a woman has the right to kill her own baby, that is what this says. I'm not exaggerating,
I am not taking it out of context. They have fallen into an abyss of darkness, all of the echo chambers of their cowardly, disgraceful media, all these self important, self involved millionaires and billionaires running these propaganda organs, all these women's rights activist groups, and this whole the propaganda of postmodern femine postmodernist feminism, and the left wing manipulation of words and the use of emotion to try to tell people, force people, convince them to abandon the most
fundamental moral concepts in society. And it's working. It's working. There are a lot of days when I come in here and I get to talk to you about things that are just interesting, things that are are entertaining, enjoyable, are you know, important in the culture. But we can we will all be fine whether it goes one way or the other. You know, we can take a loss on some issues and sleep well at night and know that it's all going to be okay. This is not one of them. This is a declaration of war on
life from the left. It is the most egregious, disgusting legislative act in my lifetime. There will be a time, many years hence, I think, when we will look back on this and there will be tremendous efforts to rehabilitate what the left was really all about when it came to life and to babies, and they will try to rewrite this. They will have to rewrite this, because this is so immoral and so grotesque that it will haunt those who supported it, and certainly those who engaged in it,
for many, many years to come. I want to play for you when we come back, and then we will move off the topic, because I honestly can't handle to talk about it much more, and I don't know, I don't want to. I know you've all had a tough day and you have a lot of things on your mind. You've got other thing. We got policies talk about that are beyond this. I think this is the most important thing in the country right now. You should hear what
this representative in the Virginia Assembly said. I want you to hear what she had to say about this, because I want you to know that this is not some oh right wing talk radio propaganda. Whatever I am explain, I am explaining to you what this law says and does, and what the people who are supporting it want to make legal, not extending beyond what they themselves would say. We'll come back, we'll do that, and then we'll talk socialism, healthcare. We'll get into our usual rhythm, but we have to
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right to control her wrong reproductive health. Look at the tortured language. A woman's right to control reproductive health, just say, a right to an abortion for all nine months of a pregnancy. That's what you're doing there up in New York and now in Virginia too. This is what this is what the conversation was on the floor of the
Virginia Virginia Legislature. Play eight. How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated it would impair the mental health of the woman or physical health? Okay, okay, I'm talking about the mental health. So I mean through the third trimester. The third trimester goes all the way up to forty weeks okay, but to the end of the third trimester. Yep. I don't
think we have a limit in the bill. So where it's obvious that a woman is about to give birth, she has physical signs of that she is about to give a birth, would that still be a point at which she could request an abortion if she was so certified she's dilating, mister chairman, that would be a you know, a decision that the doctor, the physician, and the woman understand that. I'm asking if your bill allows that, my bill would allow that. Yes? Is there any way I
have misrepresented what is going on here? I mean, I ask you that in all honesty. Here's the woman putting forth the bill for the Virginia legislature. She has asked, can you kill the baby while it is being born? Under your bill? She says, my bill would allow that woman's water breaks, she's giving birth. I decide, or you know, she decides she doesn't want to do it anymore. She can say, doctor, terminate this pregnancy. Oh, but the baby is going to be out. It's I can already see
its head. No, doctor terminate the pregnancy. Okay, Well, if you say it's going to hurt your mental health. You can tell me that this will be rare. I don't care. It is murder, It is legal grounds for infanticide. It is a blight on this country that any state, any legislature, quite honestly, any human being would be okay with this. Would the fact that they're advocating for it, that they're cheering, that they're proud, my friends. I do not say this lightly.
There are some issues where it is a political difference between left and right, and there are good faiths or arguments on both sides. This is not one of those issues. The left, the Democrats have sided with Satan. They are wrong. This is evil. This is evil. We must oppose this, and we must beat them at the ballot box to stop them from being able to implement what is an obviously barbaric policy. Here's an interesting thing that's happening, the
whole idea of how does she identify? Does she identify as an African American? Did you see the thing going on on social media? She identify as a person of color? Because when I asked by Jake if she you know, as a black woman, she goes as a person of color. Remember that whole thing with Obama is he black enough. That is different than identifying. But it's just an interest in conversation to me that I hear people talking about. This is what they spend time on at CNN. This
is where their focus is. You know, they're they're wanting to talk about how Kamala Harris. I mean, she's obviously a woman of color. Does she identify as black? I mean, I think with most people she registers as black. But this is a this is a conversation of sorts. I don't think it's a particularly important one. But how does
one quantify or qualify blackness in this country? If someone is of of you know, dual ethnicity, if you will mother and father are from different ethnic backgrounds, do you pick? Do you you know that there is an identification, there is a self identity process in this whole thing. It's it's dizzying when you try to put all this stuff together and try to understand where they're going with all
of it. But that's you know, that's and I know you say, oh about that's just one clip, but no, I mean today there was a focus on Howard Schultz not knowing the price of cheerios. Oh, he's an out of touch billionaire. Doesn't know the price of cheerios. I'm about a billion dollars short of being a billionaire, and I don't know the price of cheerios off the top of my head because I don't need them. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like three or four bucks maybe, but
maybe it's six. And it depends on where you shop. I don't know, John, what do you know what the price of cheerios? This was a big story today for the media. Four or five bucks? Okay exactly? John depends on this. I see John knows. John knows his cheerios. Honey nut is obviously the way to go if you're gonna get cheerios. But I think plane cheerios are gluten free, but I'd have to check. But that's the kind of
just nonsense that they focus on. When and I played for you what And I'm not going to go back and talk more about what we started the show it because it honestly, it upsets me. It upsets me to talk about it, upsets me to think about it. But we can't move away from a hard topics just because there's there's other things on the horizon. Amla Harris not a strong rollout for I would say a certainly a top three Democrat nominee contender not not going so well
so far. And here's one that we didn't get to yesterday. And here's part of the conversation that I think is going to be harder for Democrats to make seem okay to the general elector. I mean, the Democrats biggest problem and runn against Republicans is that their only job is to not be lunatics, and they can't do that job.
If the Democrats came forward and they said, you know, we're gonna fix healthcare, We're gonna respect people's individual rights, we're not going to try to take your guns away. We're not gonna push climate change lunacy on you. We want to fix some aspects of Obamacare. We will. We want DACA an amnesty, which I'm obviously very opposed to, but you know, we're willing to do some things at the border to tamp down on this false amnesty claims
and also on the illegal crossings with the fence. You know, if they just triangulated a little bit, a little bit, I would be I would know that they were probably doing a head faith that they were lying. I mean, I'm not saying that the Democrats would cease to be Democrats. But instead of doing that, instead of presenting themselves as better at governance and more reasonable than the Republicans, what do they do the crazy talk play for what we
would call today a domestic terrorist group? Why why why would we call them domestic terrorist group? Because they tried to use fear and force to change political environment? And what was the motivation for the use of fear and force based on race and ethnicity? Right? Are you aware of the perception of many about how the power and the discretion at ICE as being used to enforce the laws? And do you see any parallels parallels huh to a
domestic terrorist group ICE, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. I gotta tell you, that's why during the shutdown it made me so frustrated all these Democrats who were saying, oh, the poor border patrol people, they're working without pay. Immigrations and Customs enforcement, they're working without pay. I'm sitting here, I'm like, all on a second, yeah, they should get paid, and I feel badly for those families, but they got their back pay. Is now they're secure, They'll be all right.
But Democrats are the ones that say that they're acting like Nazis, that Border Patrol is like a bunch of Nazis, that ICE is setting up concentration camps. They're the ones that undermine the core mission of those agencies. At the first sign of any political advantage from it, they throw ICE and Border Patrol under the bus so fast their heads don't even have time to spend. And then they want to be Oh, we're so worried about these, about our brave federal employees. We gotta go to a quick break.
I'll be back. Oh in one minute. I'm sorry. I thought we had up. Sorry about that team. I was like, John, what's going on here? Yeah, I'm not done yet. I have not yet begun to radio. So this is what this is what you've got going on. I mean, you have Kamala Harris, who is somebody she's just like Hillary, and that she's gonna say whatever she has to say in the moment to appeal to whoever she has to appeal to you, and eventually I think it all will collapse.
The media is gonna try to prop her up and hold her up and and convince people through all their little propaganda magic tricks that she's a centrist, a technocrat, and you know Sterling resume great personal story. The reality is she's a completely opportunistic politician who doesn't seem to have much of an ethical core in her policies. I'm not talking about personal stuff, and it's just not not a real man up for the Trumpster. That's the good
news for us. But we got more on socialism and healthcare, Big healthcare, Deep Dot coming up next hours. Stay with me. I think you could never affoid that you're talking about trillions of dollars. I think you can have Medicare for all for people that are uncovered, but because that's a smaller group and a lot of them are taking care of Medicaid already Medicare, but to replace the entire private system where companies provide healthcare for their employees would bankrupt
us for a very long time. That's not correct. That's not American. What's next? What industry are we going to abolish next? That alone would wipe out millions of jobs of Americans. And that is a kind of extreme policy. That is not a policy that I agree with. And if you take immigration, you take healthcare. What we have is extremes on both right, both sides not representing the large majority of America who don't have a voice. The
billionaires on the left caused them a little bit of heartburn. There. For the progressives, you have Bloomberg, who say what you will about him, and he's a total you know, he's a total nincome poop on guns and he's mister nanny, stay with it, no drinking big sodas, and uh, you know he obviously he's he's a big government guile. Though. I will say the problem with Bloomberg, and I remember, as much as I love Glembeck, I remember he looked at me once like I was crazy because I was
a New York City resident for many years. I actually worked for Bloomberg at the NYPD, and I said, you know, you gotta be Bloomberg is what you really got to worry about, because at Bloomberg you get efficient, efficient government services, clean streets, the trains running on time. But he won't let you have big sodas and wants to take your
guns away. You know, the the the Detroit model, the Baltimore model of a Democrat lefty who just doesn't know what the heck they're doing and tries to pile on all the progressive you know, Nanni state social justice nonsense. Yeah, anybody with you know, two brain cells to rub together can come up with why that's a bad idea. The real problem from our perspective is the Bloombergian effective provision of government services and reasonably efficient government activity that is
Nannie State. Like that's when you get you know, that's when you all of a sudden people saying, well, I don't mind being Denmark. We're gonna talk more about Denmark and healthcare and stuff, by the way, in just a few moments here. But the problem that Bloomberg and Schultz, who was a second guy there, they're both talking about Kamala Harris saying we need medicare for all. The problem that they pose for the Democrat Party right now is that here are two guys who are both self made.
Oh man, they were going after Schultz. Schultz grew up in a housing project and started out with one coffee shop and ended up running a multibillion dollar empire. As much as I don't like Starbucks, is you know, it's politics. It is a great brand, and it's an incredible success story, and you know, you gotta give props where they're due. And Bloomberg obviously was a finance guy who came up with the Bloomberg terminal idea, and he became a self
made billionaire. I think he's the richest person in New York State. So these are two guys who understand, for whatever their politics may be, they understand business. They understand numbers, finances, and a balance sheet, no question, you cannot question either of them when it comes to their ability on those matters. And they are staring, staring across the table at the Warren Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris fantasy land, I
mean just absolute fantasyland. And they're saying, I'm sorry, this isn't going to work. This would be catastrophic. The costs would be catastrophic for the economy. You're talking about tens of trillions of dollars of additional government spending that you're not going to be able to come up with a tax revenue to pay for this. We're already going a trillion dollars a year in a debt. We're already spending too much right now, or we're going to start going
three trillion in debt, four trillion in debt. This is how on a yearly basis. This is how we would find ourselves in a circumstance where our debt our debt service obligations becomes too high, crowds out other government spending. Could become the biggest single item in the budget if we don't watch ourselves, so we'll just be paying taxes to pay the interest on the money that we've already spent. You know, this is how you get in a scary territory, right.
This is like if you're an individual and all you can pay your finance charges and your credit card bills. That's when the credit cards companies got you, because now you're just paying them money for the money you've already spent. You're not even getting rid of that balance. You're on a treadmill, and they're they're the ones with the whip saying,
you know, mush, mush, go faster. That's what our government will will be doing if we allow the debt to get so large to the debt service payments crowd out the rest of it. And we're on track for that to happen if we do this, I mean, if you if you have single payer for healthcare, it's going to just it'll blow up the blow up the budget, which also means that we won't be able to borrow money.
Our treasury bonds will become a problem, and eventually we risk not being the reserve currency for all global commerce, and that becomes a huge problem. You know, our overspending is a national security vulnerability. China is already aware of this and looking to take advantage of it long term. This is not just a function of oh, these people have some nice ideas. This matters for future generations. It matters for the health of this country financially and healthwise.
But these billionaires, they are are not welcome in this conversation on the left right now, because people want the Santa Claus healthcare talk. They want to be told that they're gonna have brilliant, perfect, wonderful free healthcare that only the super rich people are going to pay for. And I'm here to say that what Bloomberg and Schultz are saying is there's not enough money. They are making a
promise that they cannot deliver on. Keep in mind, the wall is not a promise that Trump has made that he can't deliver on. Democrats are refusing to let him deliver on it. You could have sixty Democrat votes in the Senate, solid Democrat majority you know in the House called a fifty vote Democrat majority in the House, and the Democrat presidency, they would not be able to deliver
on this plan. They might try, and we're going to talk to McRoy here in a few minutes about what that would look like, but they will not be able to do this without catastrophe effects on the economy. Meanwhile, aoc Ocasio Cortez is out there just just openly promoting this, and it really comes down to not you're going to see more of this. It's not just about healthcare, healthcare expenditures, the cost and all that. It's also increasingly just about
what's fair. Right. This is this is very much an Obama word, right, what's fair? Pay your fair share. This is about justice. This is about people should have free stuff because there are too many rich people who have too much stuff. This is that's not an economic argument, that's a social justice argument. And that's when it comes to eliminating private health insurance, which Kamala Harris said she wants. That is the argument that increasingly is going to be
made by the left going forward. It's not even about the numbers. Just do it because it's the right thing to do. They will say, play clip two. Do you support Senator Harris's proposed last night Medicare for all and eliminated by the trans companies? You know, I think that I think that's the direction that we absolutely need to go in. Medicare for all would save the American people a very large amount of money. Capitalism has not always existed in the world, and it will not always exist
in the world. Maybe this idea of idealizing this outcome of maybe one day you two can be a billionaire and own more than millions of families combined, is not an aspirational or good thing. How much is at? What level? Are we really just living in excess? And what kind of society do we want to live in? Alexandria Ocasio Cortez wants people to be poorer because we'll all feel better if we're all a little poorer. That's what this
really comes down to. It is the philosophy of pulling people down so that the people below them feel more comfortable with where they are. It's not going to make their lives better, it's not going to make things better for them. This is very dangerous, and it is being more and more openly embraced on the left. This is going to be the argument that you hear in the
Democrat primary. And I think even when the Democrat candidate is finally decided, and you know Schultz who says he might run third party, and the left is freaking out because they all that they hear third party, and all they can think about is former years of Trump, which makes their heads explode. Schultz is speaking truth on this stuff. And I know, I'm not even getting into his policies that I disagree with, and I'm sure he's a climate
change not in all that other stuff. The Democratic Party has radicalized to the left in a lot of ways, as we've been discussing this hour. But here's what Schultz said, play six. If you kind of look at the tea leaves today, it appears the Democratic Party is shifting far, far left, with very strong progressive ideas, the likes of which we should talk about. Yep, his assessment is correct. The Democrat Party is far left, especially now on the
issue of healthcare. They're more open about it than ever. What is the truth of single payer? What would it mean to have medicare for all my friend Ovic Roy, who is a fantastic expert of this, He's going to join us for a deep dive into this. If you listen to this interview, you will know more than ninety percent, probably ninety five percent of the people who go on TV and talk about it. Listen to what my man Ovic has to say that's coming up. Hiring can be
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to do morally and ethically. It's also smart in terms of the fiscal impact, a single pay a healthcare system would save the average family significant sums of money. And what Republicans sometimes do is confuse the issue and they say, well, you're going to pay more in taxes. What they forget to tell you is that if you were a family of four now paying fifteen or twenty thousand dollars a year in private health insurance, You're not going to be
paying that at all. The new hotness on the progressive left single payer. Gosh, I'm old enough to remember just a few years back when to say that Obamacare was really just a way of getting a single payer with some kind of mean, unfair, maybe even racist comment. But here we are. Turns out that was true all on. What is the truth of what's happening here with single pair? Is it a good idea? I want to I want to tackle some of these statements, and I brought on
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So let's start with this. What is your just your your first reaction when you hear Bernie Sanders, Kamala, Harris Warren, etc. They're all saying single payer, medicare for all, or at least they're saying medicare for all. You say what to this? What I say, Buck, is that only half of what they're saying is crazy, and single pair is a greater threat than I think a lot of us realize. That's
that's pretty that's pretty disconcerting. We walk me through. Let's take some of these some of these big statements that they make, and you tell me the truth of it or where it comes on. For example, here here's you know, I get a little frustrated because a lot of my Republican friends, a lot of my conservative brothers and sisters, will just say that Venezuela is all you need to say, right,
look at Venezuela, socialism, Venezuela. And while Venezuela is instructive in some ways, obviously, the left, the progressives, they just say, Okay, what about Denmark, what about Sweden? Sweden does it? Why can't we? The UK does it? Why can't we? What do you say to that? Over? Yeah? And there again that's the part that's not crazy. Here's an amazing statistic, Buck, that a lot of your listeners won't know, and that
is that government's spending on healthcare, not total spending. Government spending on healthcare per person in the United States is higher than all but two other countries in the world's, higher than the UK, higher than Canada, higher than France, higher than Sweden. That's the amazing thing is our system for all the sort of the good things that we have in America, our healthcare system is so inefficient and
so expensive do largely the government policy. That government spending on healthcare in America per person is far greater than it is almost every other country in the world. So when Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris always people say, hey, a single payer system like the UK or Canada would save us money, they are right now. The thing they don't tell you is that to get to that kind of savings cost savings from where we are today, you'd have to cut what we pay hospitals while we pay
doctors while we pay drug companies by fifty percent. And no drug lobby or hospital lobby or doctors lobby is going to go for that. And so what you're eventually what you actually are going to have in America if you try to have single pair is you're going to have a system in which the cost to healthcare is the same, it's just that the government's paying for it.
What would that do? That would increase federal spending in America over the next ten years by thirty three trillion dollars with a t That would increase federal spending by seventy one percent total federal spending, by the way, not just the healthcare piece. So the problem with a single payer is a devil whity take the tails if you actually do it the way that UK and Canada, those countries do it, whether there's rationing and there's restrictions and
price controls and restrictions on access to high price services. Yeah, you could have a system that cost less in terms of government spending, but what we spend. Now, there's another important point, buck, and that is government run healthcare is not the only way to save money in our healthcare system. Market based healthcare systems like the ones in Switzerland Singapore
spend far less than all those single payer countries. You never hear the Democrats talk about that, and that's the theme of a lot of the work we've done at my think tank, Free opt Dot Org where you know, we have a white paper called Transtanting Obamacare that details in a hundred pages for those who really care, how exactly you could transition our system, which is not a free market system, into one that is so that there's
more competition, more choice, and lower costs. Oh, Vic, you know, this is where though, we get caught up in and just what sounds good to people? And what a lot of what a lot of the democrat the Democrats that are front runners right now are saying, is effectively things aren't so bad in Canada. Why don't we do Why don't we just do what what Canada does? And what you know? And the answer, so, well, what is the answer to that from your perspective? Why don't we just
do what Canada does? Yeah? I mean, you know, if you do what Canada is basically the Canvas system. The hospitals and the drug companies and the doctors are theoretically private. The insurance is a single payer system. All the insured. There's one insured, the government of Canada. The British system, by contrast, it's completely socialized, like the VA, where both the insurers and the hospitals and the doctors are all either owned by the government or employee by the groom.
So that's more like the East German healthcare system the British system. So there's a there are differences between different countries. And by the way, this is important for you to understand, not every country is single payer that has universal coverage. Universal coverage and single payer are not the same thing. For example, we have almost every American has a TV, but that there was no single payer TV system that created that. Right, we all have TVs because we like
to watch TV, and TV isn't that expensive to buy. Right. The same could be true with health insurance. If we had a market based system for health insurance, we would actually have health insurance. It's not expensive and everyone would have it. We'd have universal coverage. So what's so great about Canada from the left standpoint that it spends less money and that everybody has health insurance, which is a
good thing. It is a good thing that everybody has health insurance, and it's a good thing that we spend less money. Now here's the downside. The downside is that the way Canada does it is through waiting lists. They basically restrict your access to the latest technology. They were strict your access to procedures that they don't think we're important. If you want to get if you bust your knee and you need to get you carry your ACL and
you knee replacement. In Canada, the average wait time is fourteen months on more than a year, because Canada thinks that people don't really need any replacements. So basically people have to come to America to get their knees replaced. So there are a lot of downsides the Canadian system. But again, the point I'm trying to make here is it's not enough for conservatives to say, oh, yeah, Kamala Harris,
she's crazy Venezuela bang right. That that's not good enough because the average family today is spending more on their hospital bills than they are in taxes. The median household in America in terms of income, it's about sixty two thousand dollars thanks to the Republican tax cuts, their tax rates about thirteen and a half percent, but they're spending twenty percent of their income all in on hospital spending, not and that doesn't even include the drug and everything else.
So American healthcare is way too expensive and conservatives have to have positive saluteans that reduce the cost of healthcare in America. So the costs are too high. I mean, so you would agree with this, is this is not just a perception like people get into it, go ahead. No, I'm just saying no, it's not a perception. It's absolutely the fact. Not only are they too high, they are extreme. Healthcare prices in America are extreme compared to other countries.
And it's not because of the market. The market isn't the reason why prices are extreme. Chrony capitalism is the reason why prices are extreme in America. Government policies that create monopolies, that create barriers to competition, that restrict choice, and remove the everyday patient from the cost and price and value of the healthcare that he buys. As you know, Buck,
so many of us, most of us. In fact, ninety percent of Americans don't buy their own health in term, it's bought on their behalf by somebody else, whether it's their employer or the government. That's one of the most important things we want to fix. So you have to have a market, you want to have a market based system. Will have to start buying their own insurance, and they have to be free to buy the kind of insurance that they want, not the kind of insurance, but the
federal government tells them to buy. You know, you'll also hear of it that there's that there will get that we get worse. This is one of the big talking points from left of the time, we have worse outcomes and spend more money. You've already addressed the we are spending more money. We spend a lot of the government spends a lot of money on healthcare in this country, and the American people spend a lot of money in healthcare.
But how do you address the outcomes issue? Yeah, it's true that inaggregate, in certain ways we have worse outcomes, like our life expectancy is lower and things like that. You have to kind of unpack those statistics because if you look at the white population the United States, it's pretty comparable to Europe in terms of health outcomes. Where where we really fail is with racial and ethnic minorities,
particularly blacks. And obviously the reason why that's the case is not because of the healthcare system necessarily, it's about the broader the legacy of slavery and segregation and the poverty that a lot of urban blocks find themselves in. So that's like, so, yeah, you know, the whole thing about health outcomes, it's it's it's a complicated subject because how much of what we call health insurance relates to the reasons why low income minorities struggle in America's well.
And also we have we do have higher rates of obesity type two, by diabetes, heart conditions, and those are diseases generally diseases of lifestyle, right, so, and Americans are noticeably less healthy. This is the one thing where Europeans, I think, do this in soccer. Europeans are better than us. But whatever, we get to eat better, more delicious cheeseburgers. Oh, can we hold it through the breaks? I got a
few more questions. I want to I want to take the Ovic arsenal and make it my own so that when I have to go talk to libs on this one, I can crush them. Everywhere we're talking to Ovic Roy. He is the man on this issue, the president for the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity Free Up dot org. We'll be right back morning. Coffee is in American institutions more American than apple pie, And unlike apple pie, you actually needed to get your day started if you're me.
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off Black Riflecoffee dot Com slash buck. All right, we're back with oh Vic Roy from the Founda for Research on Equal opportunity where he is the president, he is a healthcare expert legitimately actually has an MD, which I'm always very impressed by people in the media generally, you know, they think that a one year journalism degrees is a fancy thing. Um Ovic, Kempbell Harris is talking about replacing
all private health insurance. Now, I had always thought and and it makes sense at least when you when you first run the numbers on it, that the one thing that makes the Democrat goal impossible of single payer or medicare for all of that system is that you're going to have to tell ninety percent of people who have private health insurance, sorry, your plan is gone. Is that the bulwork against this that we would like it to be? And if not, how would a president President Warren Harris
Sanders implement this vision as you see it? Like, what, how do we know that this is actually happening? Well, first of all, it's not ninety percent of Americans who have private health insurance. It's more like sixty percent of Americans have private health insurance, forty percent I'm sorry, who have coverage, right, yeah, yeah, go ahead, yeah for you know, nine percent half health insurance. Yeah, of the ninety percent who have health insurance, sixty percent have through the through
private insurers, and forty percent half through the government. So, for example, the people who are on Medicaid, the people who are on Medicare, Medicare is basically a single parent fayre insure UM. That's why they call it Medicare for all. People who are on the VA, people who are on active duty military Defense Department healthcare. That's so almost half of the covered population is already getting some form of government involved healthcare. Yeah, I mean, yeah, forty percent. So
that's that's the thing. So you know, that's that's why, that's what they're trying to build on. And that's why when they stay say Medicare for all, because Medicare it's single payer healthcare. And there are you know, seventy million people on Medicare, and there are another sixty million people on Medicaid UM. And then there's the ten million on the VA, and and and then the five million or whatever the number is, I can't remember exactly for ACTI duty military. A lot of people, if you add it
all up, who are already on government run healthcare. So we don't have this free market system. That's the first thing to appreciate. But you're right that when Kamala Harris says, oh, yeah, you know, let's eliminate your private insurance and replace it with government insurance, that's yeah. Maybe some people on the left are looking forward to that time when they can trade in their private insurance for government interns, but lots of other people are not. And so yes, I don't
think that single payer in that sense is likely. But as we know, that hasn't stopped Democrats from expanding the reach of government to have a public option, say, or to decrease the eligibility age of Medicare from sixty five to fifty five, and all these kind of chip away, incremental kind of things that they can do to expand the reach and role of government insurance. So just because single payer can't be achieved in one cell swoop, that
doesn't mean that conservatives are in the clear. And again, you can't beat something with nothing. The healthcare system in America is legitimately broken, it's legitimately extremely expensive, and conservatives can't just sit around and say, oh, well, we're against socialism. The socialism is happening right now in terms of the insane profits that companies are making by basically being federally
licensed monopolies instead of competitive markets. Who are the bad guys in this well, there's there's lots of bad guys and people. People beat up on the drug companies a lot. I mean, who else goes on that list? I put the hospitals at number one because mainly, if you think about what we spend on healthcare in America, about a third of its hospital spending, about fifteen percent of as drugs and another twenty percent as doctors. I don't think
doctors are the bad guys generally, though there are. There are some bad apples in the medical profession. We have to be honest about that. But really the hospitals and the drug companies are. That's half the spending, and if we actually were able to do something about those two pieces, we do a lot to make healthcare more afforable. And I will say the Trumpet administration has been really smart and savvy about how they've tried to reduce the cost
of prescription drugs. There's a lot of stuff that they're doing that I think deserves a lot more attention and praise from conservatives than I think has been appreciated on
the hospital side. The Indiana Republican congressman named Jim Banks from northeast Indiana just put out a bill called the Hospital Competition Act, which is a terrific bill that really tries to tackle the problem of regional hospital monopolies which have merged with other crosstown rivals to build these big monopolies where they can basically tell insurers, we're going to jack up the price of a knee replacement by ten percent this year, and you have to eat it because
the insurer doesn't have any bargaining part. Because the insurer can't send its patience to another hospital because there is no other hospital. One hospital system owns all the hospitals in a community. So that's becoming huge problem, and that's why private health insurance has become a lot more expensive than Medicare and medicaid. The government, for all of its flaws, you know you can't you can't you know you can't
be you can't dictate prices to the government. The government dictates prices to you, right, whereas for the private insurers, they don't have that same ability. So private insurance is steadily getting more and more expensive, and that's why you're seeing more and more Americans say, you know what, I used to believe in the private sector system, but I'm I'm I'm more open minded about single pare now because I'm sick of getting higher premiums and a flat paycheck
every month. What does Trump need to do going into what's You know it's going to be a highly contentious election. We've only got about a minute, ovic, But what's your minute elevator pitch for the president on what the GOP Trump planned for healthcare, which you admit is expensive and problematic, what it needs to be. He's got to do what he's doing on drug prices for every sector of the
healthcare system. There needs to be a Trump blueprint to lower the cause of hospital prices, a Trump blueprint to lower the cost of physician office visits, a Trump blueprint to lower the cost of lab tests and medical devices. You do that, you have a real plan to attack all the ways in which federal policy have distorted these markets and driven up prices. You're going to have something really strong and really persuade it to talk about. That's a lot less disruptive than single payer, but has a
lot of the benefits purported benefits in terms of cost savings. Oh, vic Roy, everybody. As advertised, he is the man on this issue, President for the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity. Free opt dot org is his site. Ovic, we all know more about single payer than we did when we started this interview. So thank you so much, my friend. Always good to have you on the show. Thanks Buck team. Who man, I'm gonna let the class out for a minute. Here,
catch your breath. We'll come right back at a moment. Stay with me. Communities of color are usually much further to the left than white liberals because racism, colonialism are we understand through lived experience in a way that many don't understand that these are issues that are part of
a hypercapitalist framework. You know, black folks are descendants of slaves that were imported quote unquote by slave owners to the United States for the explicit purpose of cultivating crops, and it was predicated on white supremacy and racial superiority. But we have to understand that white supremacy exists for
a reason. There's so much that we have to we can delve into their Obviously, that's aoc Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, who is speaking in the leftist lingo that unfortunately has has become to dominate the faculty lounges of many college campuses, and it is now with the rise of quote woke journalism is now increasingly commonplace in newsrooms and for major websites.
And there are just these these very overwrought, historically problematic or at least unfinished, selective in their discussion of capitalism, colonialism, and many of these things. But these phrases that are usually in place of any thoughtful discourse on these issues. That's and by the way, even the word discourse they use it on the left so much you can I can tell what someone's politics are now. I mean, this is maybe a good way of getting in and getting
into this. I can tell what someone's politics are based on the words they use to talk about issues. I don't mean the words they use to describe a position. I mean I can just hear someone discussing something. And you know, for example, people who who use the phrase communities of color frequently are going to be on the left. People who will talk about a legacy of colonialism in the year twenty nineteen are going to be on the left.
I mean, there's all these different things, and there's even more instructive, and I think specific examples in that just the certain words, the usage of justice without any explanation for what kind of justice? What does that mean? And this is why you'll hear me say on this show frequently, what do they mean by that? What does that mean? They use words without establishing the underlying meaning of what
they're saying or without any clarity. Right, They're going for an emotional response that they know that this is this is setting off certain synapses in the brain, right, certain firing of neurons happens when people here buzzwords on the left, they immediately start to think, this is a friendly, this is a person that I agree with, and this these are good things. These are things that I like, And it's it's an essential part of understanding left wing communication.
This is why I use these terms like, uh, you know, intersectionality, and we talk about people being woke, and we talk about dead naming, and I try to familiarize you with leftist jargon one to expose usually how just thoroughly intellectually bankrupt it all is. I mean, just these ideas and concepts fall apart under the weight of their own contradictions.
That's that's one reason why, but also to understand that they are really creating their own, really professional language for mobilization and activism, and that this is now creeping into our pilot. And that's why I get so agitated over things like undocumented migrant, which is the latest. You know, they're just undocumented people moving who want work. That's a long way from illegal alien and there where there are a lot of steps in between. But that change in
language is a conscious choice. Do not just let that slip. Do not all of a sudden decide that you know you're you're going to to give in to however they want you to speak about these things, because your word choice matters. Your word choice matters. And that little rant from o'cazio Cortez saying that communities of color are quote much further to the left than white liberals because of racism and colonialism, First of all, that's not true. I mean, this is where you have to get into what is
further to left. How I don't think there. I don't think there is a further to the left than what you're hearing from some open socialists who are you know, white socialists and the Bernie Sanders mold. What She's really addressing is that there is an increasing radicalism of thought within some communities of color because they're being constantly told
and this is this is combustible, This is dangerous. They are being told by the media, and whether it's media commentators who are minorities themselves or who are white liberals who are exploiting these narratives for their own purposes, whether it's ratings or just virtue signaling. But communities of color are increasingly being told in this country by the media and by politicians like AOC that white supremacy is on
the rise, that the president is a white supremacist. Hakeem Jeffries, who is a member of Congress, referred to the President of the United States as the Grand Wizard of Pennsylvania Avenue. This is incredibly destructive, This is incredibly divisive in a way that you and I might be able to say, well, these are just reckless politicians and demagogues doing what they do.
But some people, and I would argue a lot of people will hear this and think, wow, the other side on this, which is effectively in their version of events. In the left wing communities of color version of this narrative, the other side is white male Republicans. That's that's the
other that is what is being otherised here actively. And you know, you see this celebratory tone at the demise of the white male majority of the media celebrates this very openly, and they encourage people to think increasingly in terms of racial power disparities, and they encourage non white minorities to use their group status, their their group identity as a means of achieving greater power over the other. This is not going to lead to good things. This
is not going to lead to happy places. But this is now central to the left wing Democrat approach to politics to mobilize as now I'm saying it because I brought up before communities of color. To mobilize the minority population in this country as a racial and ethnic block against the Republican predominantly but not entirely white majority. Is a racializing of politics that is not going to have any This is not going to end well, This is not going to be positive for the country. This is
something that has to be undone. This is a complete departure from the idea that this country is a was founded on an idea. Yes, it was imperfect, yes, in its time, there was tremendous injustice that was done slavery. There have been other injustices in this country's history too, Jim Crow segregation. But the basic idea of a country founded on an idea gives us at least the framework for not being a race segregated or racially based cast
system like society. Right, we have that foundation in place. To constantly mobilize non white minorities for political and cultural purposes against the other, the white male conservative majority is to create a friction that I would argue undermines the most important shared principles and values of this country, which is that we are not supposed we are not defined by or dictated by our skin color or by our ethnicity.
We actually have free will, free choice, and we are all equal in the law and equal in the eyes of God. And that people should choose their destinies, their beliefs, their futures freely, not based on what they have been told by others. Ocasio Cortez talking about a hyper capitalist framework. These are big words used by people who don't understand and big ideas. You're going to see a lot more
of that on the left in this Democrat primary. These are people who pick and choose different aspects of history without understanding the fuller context. Because generally on the left you have some of the biggest demagogues on politics, who are held up as being the leading lights of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are not particularly well read and not insightful on any aspects of American life. They just know how to agitate. They know how to
push buttons. They understand how powerful envy is when mobilized. They understand how powerful class warfare can be in the hands of somebody who does not mind what they are tearing down or burning down in the process. Take AOC seriously, because I assure you, despite her ignorance, her inability to grasp very important, very basic concepts of governance, the left will take her seriously and enough people will emotionally attach to her ideas that the falsehood that is baked into
into much, if not all, of it won't matter. Enough got more common stay with me. Can America work productively towards adjust and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians, in your opinion, by having an equal approach to dealing with both. Most of the things that have always been aggravating to me is that we have had a policy that makes one superior to the other, and we mask it with
a conversation that's about justice and two state solution. When you have policies that clearly prioritize one over the other, such a us, I mean, just our relationship really with this Raeli government and this israelis eate and so when I see is right, you'll institute um law that that recognizes it as a as a as a Jewish state and does not recognize um the other religions that are that are living in it, and we still uphold it
as a democracy in the Middle East. I almost chuckle because I know that if you know we we we say we see that in any other society, we would criticize it, we would call it out. We do that to Iran, We do that to any other place that sort of upholds its religion. So that is your You're
you're new and exciting to the left. Congresswoman from Minnesota, Ilhan Omar, who's all who's made quite a splash in a very short short period of time with her not so subtle implied homophobia and now with her commentary about israel I mean, this is somebody who clearly has a real problem with Israel, and that's for a lot of folks starts to get pretty close to sounding like anti semitism, if they're not already there. Some of you're like, no,
Bucket is just anti semitism. But notice the way that she discusses this, and you know, look there's the foreign policies oude of this, which maybe is not as interesting to you, interesting to you, but the reason that the left does not like Israel there are many reasons, right, but the reasons why there is this and keep it. There are Democrats who are very proist. Well, I know
that I'm really talking about the left here. This is where the separation of the apparatus of the Democratic Party and the ideological hard left there is a thing there. You know, you do have Democrats who are members of Congress, for example, who are at least outwardly very pro Israel, even though they're pretty leftists on a lot of things.
But the hard left of the Democrat Party, the kind of big progress move on Dot org types, the ilhan omars of the party are anti Israel because to them, in this ideology of post colonialism, intersectionality, and social justice, these different concepts that the left holds as as really the primary organizing narratives for our day to day lives. Israel is like a violator on all these different fronts. In their minds, Israel is a colonial outpost in the
Middle East. It is white, even though, of course, when you talk about white and oppression that white Jewish people in Israel, I think would have a lot of a lot of things to say about a history of oppression and what that has been like and what that has meant globally and for a few millennia. But you know, the left just sees it in this very this very straightforward, and I would argue, very wrong headed and completely decontextualized context,
or rather decontextualized fashion, decontextualized context. Buck, come on, let's get it together. Uh. Where they're they're white, they're colonial their first world, they're pro American their democracy. Therefore Israel's a problem. Therefore it's oppressive. And they also view Islam, even though it's the second largest religion as the world,
as a non white and oppressed religion. And really, you know, you look at the way she talks about Israel and that it's it's character of a Jewish state she finds inherently problematic. Meanwhile, think of all this, Think of all the states around the world, all the countries that are that are Muslim, and and there's no no one raises an issue with the idea of the Islamic Republic of
and not just Iran. She goes to Iran, which is particularly crazy, But all these other countries are Islamic, and no one suggesting to them that they have to go through mass immigration, that they have to have you know, Christianity put on the same footing in their national constitution or whatever as as as Islam is. I mean, no one even discusses that somehow it's always acceptable for Islam
to be the only faith in a nation state. And Islam is held to this very different standard, this much lower standard than in our country Christianity and Judaism are in terms of its responsibility for the acts of its adherents. And and you hear ilhan Omar talking about this, and you just know that this is what she's saying in an interview. I really want to know what she says
when the cameras are not rolling. I've heard I've had many Muslim, including Muslim leftist friends over over the years, and I've heard what they say about Israel when they're not when they think that they're around people that aren't going to repeat it. I mean, some of them don't necessarily know my politics that they would now, but many years ago when I was CIA, they wouldn't have known own. And the way that they talk about Israel, it's clear
that it's not just they don't like Israeli policy. They don't like Israel. And with a lot of Muslims and a lot of the Muslim world, here's the truth. It's not just that they don't like Israeli policy or the state of Israel's a concept. It's that they don't like Jews.
It's at their anti Semites. Anti Semitism is rampant in the Muslim world, and with some of the importation into this country of different beliefs and people of backgrounds where it's much more commonplace to be anti Semitic, we are seeing, I believe, a growing problem here on the left of real nasty, leftist anti semitism that the media is going to make excuses for because it crosses over with their
oppression rhetoric about intersectionality. And you know, women from the Islamic world, like ilhan Omar and all the rest of it, they're gonna make excuses for leftist anti semitism. Mark my words, We'll be right back. Ipatriots dot us is a new conservative alternative to liberal based email services. Ipatriots dot us is secure, private, and includes more of what you want without all the ads in spam. With ipatriots, you get thirty gigs of cloud storage, larger attachment sizes, and much more.
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of us that were born in the United States. So many lies, so little time. That's Democrat Congressman Gutierrez talking about immigrants, legal immigration. Let me take a chainsaw to this edifice of nonsense, now, shall we. It's just they just won't stop. They will not stop. This idea that crossings are down, therefore there is not a problem is nonsense. This would be like saying, okay, let's look at the
opioid crisis. If the opioid crisis had been going on for thirty years and you went from seventy thousand dead a year to let's say it's a huge drop off thirty five thousand dead a year, but you've already racked up a body count of how many deaths over that period of time. You've already lost how many loved ones, how many brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, friends, family.
That's a crisis and a continuing crisis. So I mean to say that because it's not the worst that it has ever been is to ignore the fact that just because something can be worse does not mean it is not a problem today. I hope my logic is I've explained that one with enough clarity here on the air. We already have, and I was happy to see Tucker Carlson last night say this, twenty million illegals in the country. It's not eleven million. That's a joke. It's at least
twenty million. And that's not me just picking the number out of thin air. There are multiple math PhDs who've looked at the available hard data for illegal crossings and deportations over the last decade, and the idea that we are somehow not up by at least double what they're telling us is crazy. I mean, this is you look back in twenty ten, eleven million illegals. In two thousand and five, eleven million illegals. Last year eleven million illegals. No,
I go speak to border patrol. You have fifty thousand people at a time now in a month who are showing up at the border. I mean thirty thousand family units. That's at least two individuals or families, not one. We haven't yet gotten to the point yet where people are
identifying as as a family. So you know, this is just this is we are lied to and lied to and lied to so many times on this issue, and I think that the frustration, it look, it boils over when I'm talking about this, It obviously comes out in my I think it's why the White House today from their official Twitter account, as well as the President from his potus Twitter account, retweeted my article on the Hill from earlier this week on all of the scams that
are being run. So Gudierres is being disingenuous with his Oh the numbers are down, well, they're down from completely unsustainable illegal invasion of the nineties and the early two and the early two thousands. Okay, yeah, they're down from that, but they're still unacceptably high. And there's already such a huge illegal population within the country that everyone who's showing up now is joining the ranks of an already unsustainable
illegal issue. You know, this is like saying if you're if you're a million dollars in debt and you were spending fifty thousand dollars a month beyond your means, and now you're only spending twenty five thousand dollars a month beyond your means. And you say, well, bucket's no big problem. Look at how look at how far down it is. Yeah, but you already have a debt of a million dollars
and you're still adding to it. We have twenty million illegals, and they're still adding to the number in large numbers, and we don't even know what the real number is. Half a million visa overstays a year, thirty thousand family units a month showing up at the southern border. That doesn't include unaccompanied minors, and it doesn't include illegal single adult male crossers. Goodierras is just full of it. He's just full of it. He either does. He's either just
ignorant or he doesn't care. It's probably both. This notion that they're showing up to claim asylum. That's right. They claim asylum so they get into the interior of the US and then they know that there will be no enforcement. Less than one percent of those who enter the United States claiming asylum are expelled from the country through deportation, but ninet scent of those who claim asylum, do not qualify for it. So somebody explain those numbers to me.
This is a massive backdoor in the United States, and any politician who tells you otherwise is a liar. A liar. Gutierrez is lying to you about this and then on this issue. Finally, of by the way, it was pretty cool to get the to have the potus account, which has twenty five million followers, tweet out an article that I am the author of. That was nice. I liked
that high five. You haven't read it, you gotta check out my stuff on the Hill dot com on the written side the editorial page there, it's the crisis of the border is real and getting worse. And I just make this case to you based on the numbers, based on the schemes and the fraud, and based on now the increasing medical concerns and costs on the system of
all of this. So you've got surging numbers fraud, fraud, fraud and lies everywhere from the migrants who are coming in, and medical costs that are about to get really, really heavy. You know. The smartest thing, I could now walk somebody through what the loopholes are in our immigration system, and they wouldn't be breaking the law necessarily. They're not breaking the law till they don't show up for their immigration hearing.
I could walk somebody through that and you know, essentially guarantee that they'll get entry in the United States and don't have to worry about having to leave. That's unacceptable, completely unacceptable. But that's where we are. That's where the status quo has that's what the status quo has become. And then this thing of a good era is about how immigrants are less likely to commit a crime than those of us who are born in the US. That's
just not true. It's only true if you make it about immigrants who are supposed to go through a screening process. When you add illegal immigrants into the equation, it is not true. And actually, I don't think that they should be conflating those two populations at all, because the issue is not with legal immigrants. Legal immigrants are welcome. Legal immigrants are Americans. They listen to this show, God bless
you and thank you for giving me your time. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law, and they're doing so in a systematic fashion, with the assistance of the Democratic Party and a left wing media that is all is open borders in all but name. That's what's happening. And that's why I get frustrated when people say things like immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and those of us who are born in the US, that's dodging the issue.
Are illegal immigrants apart from the crime of crossing in the country and the document fraud and the lying to federal officers and the you know, social security fraud and the welfare fraud, all those things that also happen in large numbers in illegal immigrant communities. They pretend like it doesn't, but it does. Apart from all of those violations of law, how many are actually in gangs' sexually assaulting people, murdering people, whether they're part of the I MS thirteen or some
other gang, you know. That's that's that's the statistic that I would like to see. And it's so interesting, isn't it that the Democrat the knee jerk reaction from the Democrats is always that illegals are better than Americans. This is a mantra, This is a recurring theme in the Democrat party that illegals are better than the Americans of
all ethnicities and backgrounds. Right, we have a quite a diverse population in America, and they're saying illegals who are predominantly from not entirely Mexico and Central America are better than Americans. It just seems a strange position to take for an American political party, but they understand that they will be the only political party with any power in this country if this continues. That's why they are all
in on illegal immigration. And I keep saying this, and I hope somebody with the ability to get big Democrats like big Democrats. Big Democrats won't you know, they won't come on and debate me or argue with me. I mean, it's just that it's I'm too risky, right, what's the upside versus The downside is they get intellectually fileted like a fish. The upside for them is pretty minimal. So
I can't get them. But somebody who is in a position to get a Democrat on the hot seat, you know, get Nancy Pelosi or get they just have to ask them to answer this question, why shouldn't Democrats before illegal immigration? They'll say, oh, because we want people to respect our laws. No no, no, no, no, that's not enough, because they're not respecting our laws. Why shouldn't illegal immigrants just come into the country as they please, or as they call them,
undocumented immigrants. Why shouldn't they I can give you a whole bunch of reasons. Sovereignty, rule of law, all political cohesion, strain on resources, cultural assimilation. I'll go down the whole list. Democrats reject all of that, or from Brocall strombling about lauring Speirger English or bro call, there's not going to be a welcome of a country clawbone anymore. That's right. Brokaw got his hand caught in a little mouse trap. He said a little something naughty because he said you
should learn English. You know he's He's stubbed his toe big time with that one, didn't he ouch? Not supposed, not supposed to tell people that, not supposed to say that assimilation means learning English. If assimilation does not mean learning English, what does assimilation mean? Does any anybody want to try that? I do object when I voted in New York City to the ballot being in five or six languages. I do object to that. I think that's a problem. Language is not about skin color, it's not
about ethnicity. It's about national cohesion. And communication and shared culture and values. Those things all matter Democrats, We'll just throw that all aside. They'll throw any of this stuff aside, because ultimately, all that really matters to them is this relentless, endless pursuit of power and illegally. They've switched. They've switched the script on illegal immigration. They used to pretend that they were the protectors of the working class from illegal
immigrant competition for jobs. That's not where their bread is buttered anymore. Now they are all about illegal aliens. I've been telling you about snippy dot com and the more stories you see about the way that Facebook and these other giants of the Internet treat your privacy, treat your data, and also push for progressive agenda items all the time, it's time for you to check out snippy dot com or right, you don't have to deal with that other
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think it's wasteball. How are we a country that puts a wall between ourselves and an allied nation? A wall is an immoral symbol for our country. I mean, this is just stupidity. I have very little patients these days for politicians who go on TV and say that a wall is an immorality, that a wall won't work. All these different all these different things that they they bring together and they say they bleat these talking points. Four legs good, two legs bad. Some of people will catch
that references our that's our random reference for today. Let's see who. Let's see who catches it. It's based on a homework assignment I gave the team a long time ago. So here's what happens. They go on TV, they say all of this. The American people, unfortunately, are still very influence, at least those who care about this, by what they see on TV. And so some of them will believe that walls don't work and that a wall is immoral.
A lot of them will believe that Trump's willingness to hold up the government or hold up funding for part of the government because of the desire for a wall is irresponsible and whatever. And so the Democrats get their way, even though this is all built upon stupidity, and this is all built upon falsehood. A wall all is not immoral. If a wall is a moral, then border patrol is a moral. If border patrol is a moral, we should have open borders. This is not hard. The Left cannot
win this argument. They are wrong. They do not believe in helping to secure the border. They like the status quo, which is not an open border. It is a porous border. It is thirty forty fifty thousand illegals a month, pouring in month after month after month. Anybody who tells you that an equivalent number are leaving this country to go back to Honduras or Mexico, which had been the that's the story, will sometimes here, Oh, well, the economy got bad,
there's an outflow bull These people are idiots. A lot of stupidity out there, a lot of very self serving stupidity, unfortunately. But that's what you are coming across on the left and these Democrat circles where they say these things. And we still have not dealt with the underlying issues here. We still have not handled the problem of illegal immigration
as it is presented to us today. And I played that that Tom Brokaw thing for you, and it's it's pretty amazing how much they john than Remember Tom Brokaw said that maybe illegals, or rather maybe some immigrant communities, the Latino community, needs to work a little harder at assimilation, you know. And I mean I would go as far to say, I don't want I don't think that ballots should be printed in other languages. I think that I don't think that schools should be taught at other languages.
Language is an essential part of social and political and nation state, polity, political union, cohesion. Okay, essential, it is indispensable. How we communicate is also a function, or rather also
affects how we see everything around us. That people are opposed to this notion just goes to show you how little they really care about a durable assimilation that would be happening over the course of year after year, because we're bringing in a million Lead Eagal immigrants a year, making them green card holders, permanent residence, etc. But here's what happens, you know, here's what happens to somebody like Tom Brokaw when they decide that he says something bad,
NBC calls him out. Play Play thirteen, a former longtime anchor of this broadcast, is in the news tonight for comments he made Sunday on Meet the Press. The criticism was widespread and almost immediate. Les Or Tonight at NBC News spokesman tells me quote Tom's comments were inaccurate and inappropriate, and we're glad he apologized. How could it be inaccurate to say that people should try harder at assimilation, that's an opinion. How could it be inaccurate to say that
people should learn English in this country? That's an opinion. It's a good opinion, by the way, But notice how they go to this place of not just opposing opposing what Tom brokas that. Look, I give credit to people when they say smart things. Whatever, whoever the person may be, If they say something that's correct or smart, I'm gonna say they are it is correct and they are smart. So Brokaw is forrest here to, you know, to eat a little humble pie, eat some crow. Why why can't
we have this discussion? This is part of why, a big part of why Trump won. We're not allowed to discuss assimilation. We're not allowed discussion national discuss I need to speak English too, apparently, discuss a national language. We're not allowed to do that. How can that be shut off? How can we tell ourselves that we are having a real discussion, a real open debate about our immigration policy when anything you say about assimilation that takes into account
the possibility that maybe immigrants have a role here. Illegal immigrants have a role here too. Maybe all immigrants have a role here too. That's not to say that there aren't some immigrants who are doing every thing and they're you know, they're great at being Americans. Obviously there are a lot of them, but I'm sure there are some who come here and think of this more as like a jobs program and maybe a soup kitchen. They don't really feel some attachment to this country. You know. English
proficiency should be a precondition. It's a precondition, at least it's on paper a precondition in places like Sweden that have had very open door policies for asylum seekers in recent years, much to the social disunity now of that country, and a lot there's a lot of dysfunction that has come from that policy, by the way, and the government is actively in some of those Norse countries. The Northern European be a more proper way to put it. I
guess Scandinavian's word I was looking for. They realize that they've made some mistake, but we're not only able to talk about it. Let me let me tell you this. Any issue of politics where people of good faith would want to have a debate and they're not allowed to tells you a lot. And that is the case when it comes to assimilation, immigration, and English as our national language. It's a big problem because what nonbelievers fail to understand is that calling a dream crazy is not an insult,
it's a compliment. Don't try to be the fastest runner in your school or the fastest in the world, be the fastest ever. Don't picture yourself wearing Obj's jersey, picture OBJ wearing yours. Don't settle for homecoming queen or linebacker. Do both. So that's one of the inspiring Nike commercials that that great American company puts out on a fairly regular basis. I look, Nike is one of the premier, not just American, but global brands, right Nick, the Goddess
of Victory. Nike a pretty amazing story behind it to this guy just realized that nobody was making nobody was making good running shoes, which you would think would be a market would have been pretty well tapped into back in whatever it was the sixties, I think maybe it was in the fifties and forget. But this guy decided to make better running shoes and now you got Nike,
which is obviously a huge international conglomerate. But I bring it up because once again we have the pressure, the pressure from the social justice left forcing a company to
bend on an issue that is absolutely absurd. You have Muslims demanding on a change dot Org position with fourteen thousand signatures demanding that the Nike Airmax two seventy shoe change the logo because it's it's looks like it's supposed to be kind of a stylized Airmax, but it looks somewhat and I actually know enough Arabic script to know this,
it looks vaguely like Allah. It's not in Arabic script, mind you, but the way they've stylized our script, it looks kind of I mean, not much, but kind of like it could possibly be Allah to some eyes. And they expect Nike to change this because to write the name Allah on the bottom of a shoe, which in the Muslim world the bottom of the shoe, is considered
a grave insult. This is why when that Iraqi, who by the way, is a member of parliament, now, oh yeah, when that Iraqi threw his shoe at George W. Bush back in two thousand and seven or eight, I think two thousand and eight, it was a grave insult in the Iraqi culture. You know, if you show someone the bottom of your shoe, that's essentially our equivalent of showing them only a single finger in the middle of your hand. But you know, this is where I think that Nike is.
You know, it might it might end up having to change its spoke person said, Nike respects all religions. We take the concerns seriously. The Airmax logo was designed to be a stylized representation of Nike's Airmax trademark. It is intended to reflect the Airmax brand only. Any perceived meaning
otherwise is unintentional. You know they don't mean allah. But what's even more interesting is notice how there's this tendency and it's common in Islam to force nonbelievers to bend to the unreasonable expectations of many in the Islamic faith, as in, we have to use the language that they demand. We can't have depictions of Muhammad and cartoons or on
South Park, even if it's in a bear costume. It's the only religious faith in the world where if you do that, not only will they sign petitions, but there are threats of violence. We haven't been talking much about radical Islam in a while, but here's an early prediction that I can assure you we will have to revisit. Radical Islam is still very much with us around the globe and is going to surge once again as a
major problem for us. It is just a question of when roll calls up next, team Buck, It's time for roll call. Okay, roll call, Let's take it from the friend zone to the end zone. Because I I I it's game time something like that. I think that's how the lyrics go. I'm wondering I didn't. Let's let's see
how many of you caught the references from yesterday. All right, Let's see as we get into our roll call, Facebook dot com, slash Buck sex and if you want in on this action, which is always fun for those of you who get into like yes, Buck, I will you really read my stuff on the air, We will people across the nation here my words from your lips. Indeed, Facebook dot Com, Slashbuck saxon. All right, Jennifer writes Buck. Not sure if you've seen the hashtag where's Ruth on Twitter?
But people are starting to wonder where RBG is and whether her health condition is in fact more serious than thus far reported. It has been sometimes since she was seen in public, and rumors are running wild. All her upcoming engagements are canceled. What are your thoughts? Of course, we wish only good health to Justice Ginsburg. But the silence on her condition is concerning. We know she's absent from oral arguments. Is she participating in court matters? Are
her clerks filling her role? Why is no one reporting on this shield? Hie jen Jen. I think that there. I saw some reporting yesterday from some reporters I know here in DC, at least one that I know of in DC, saying that she's been seen working out with a trainer. And I'm being serious about that. That was the report that I saw in DC. So I think she's okay and in recovery. I don't think that there's
any imminent health concern for Ruth Vader Ginsburg. And as as moral and decent conservatives and human beings, we always wish any of our fellow Americans, or anyone for that matter, the best when it comes to their health. David right hey, buck back after a small sabbatical. Good luck with the beard, and you should check out a Ripper Street on Netflix. Check you later, David, doc ripper Street, Huh? Is that like a Jack the Ripper thing. I'm enjoying Peaky Blinders
so much. I'm in the last few episodes, and you know it's a great show when you have this concern about what are you going to do when the show ends because you think the show is so fantastic. That's kind of where I am with Peaky Blinders. I'm just like, oh, I want to keep watching, but I want to save it. You know. It's like that last slice of pizza, Like I want to save it for tomorrow, but I want to have it now because it's delicious. So indeed, was
that that? Probably I got a little close. Sometimes it look close to the mic, and if I hear it back later, sounds a little creepy. So I should probably not do that. Try to get a little effect, a little theatricality here in the Freedom Hunt for your edification and entertainment, well really just for your entertainment, Caroline hey Buck. There's an important story out there receiving very little attention,
the Mexican gas crisis. Apparently, Mexican gangs have been siphoning gasolin off the pipelines, and the government has shut the pipelines down. The only way gas can be transported now is by truck, which is way more inefficient and inexpensive. The lines are huge. People are running out and can't get to work. And their economy is being crushed. What will this mean for the immigration crisis in the Wall. I'd love to hear your take on this. Shields High.
You know this is thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I am not aware of this, although I know it is it is happening as I do a quick Google search looking up what you're talking about. Yeah, that there's a fuel crisis in Mexico. I didn't know about this. This is really interesting though, because in countries where there is a natural resource wealth and there is an active either organized, very active organized crime element, or even an insurgency, it's a very bad sign for the
stability of that country. When the criminal group, whether it's an insurgent or terrorist group or a just a organized crime cartel like organization, when they go after state resources, you got a big problem. You know. It's one thing when they want to run their illicit their illicit schemes, right, they want to do drug running, gun running, prostitution, human trafficking, all those things. Those aren't businesses, or at least they're not supposed to be businesses that the state is in.
But when they're going after the lifeblood economically of the state itself. That's very concerning. It's it's the truth. In Nigeria,
there was a hole. There was a whole movement and actually called the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta or the it's essentially an insurgency movement in the Delta region of the Niger River in Nigeria that wants a greater share of the oil wealth because the very impoverished area and the money just goes to the federal government and there's tremendous corruption there, but they go right
for the oil wealth. And they also will engage in oil bunkering where they will try to get access to the oil through pipelines and there's actually there are actually some photos of people doing this and once in a while somebody makes the very unwise decision when they're whacking at an oil pipeline with hammers with buckets out to engage in this oil bunkering. And this is if you look this up online, you'll see it. In Nigeria. I think in one instance that they lost it was in
the three digits. I can't remember if it was one hundred or three hundred, but I mean people just immolated in a Nigerian oil ball of fire, and it's because they had their buckets out at the pipeline smoking a cigarette, very very unwise for everybody in the vicinity of that pipeline.
So I will this is a great heads up. And by the way, all of you should always feel like if you don't hear me talk about a story, you know, I appreciate it when you send me the biggest headline on Fox News for the day, just because I love the team spirit and the team effort. But I've usually got that covered just by way of making sure we're all using our time in the best possible manner. But if you know of a story that I haven't hit that you think is something the rest of the team
should here, send it to my Facebook inbox. And we're in that inbox every day looking at pitches and stories and all the rest of it. So don't be shy about that. And if I don't get to it, don't don't think that I'm not reading it. I just we got a lot of things to get to hear of the course of the show. Okay, obvious say that story really interested me. So I went on a bit of a bit of a tangent there. Oh, I want to make sure that I give you to give you the
proper facts. Oil bunkering in Nigeria has killed as many in one incident in a pipeline explosion as seven hundred people. I thought it was three hundred people. This was a nineteen ninety eight. A fireball shot up one hundred feet into the sky and seven hundred people were incinerated. Wow, I thought three hundred was maybe I was, I was gonna high Nope, it was seven hundred. I spent some time in Sub Saharan Africa. I never get to talk about it on the show. Maybe one day I'll be
able to talk about on the show. I probably have to check in on some things first. Sub Saharan Africa is a, depending on where you are, very beautiful place or a very dangerous and depressing place. Okay. Next up here in the Facebook box, David right Shield's High Buck podcast listener on Kamala Harris's history of wanting to prosecute parents if their kids don't show up to school. We know what that was really about. If a kid doesn't show up, the school gets no money for that kid
that day. Money for the school means money for the union. Which goes to Democrat campaigns, and yes, it was intended as a stepping stone to criminalizing homeschooling for exactly the same reasons. Well, David, I definitely know that the state is very in general, especially the more statist states, the very blue states, are opposed to and will do whatever they can to knock down homeschooling. Okay, so start with
that they don't like it for exactly what you said. Unfortunately, you only have to look at the numbers for the public school system in this country and you get a very clear sense of just what's important in the Department of Education, and it is pensions, health benefits, and the hiring of non teaching bureaus. That's what really moves the needle for the public school teach. The public school staff, I should say, in this country they have hired a
massive increase of administrators. Some do important things, a lot of them don't. A lot of them are just pushing paper around for the local school district or for the superintendence office or whatever. A lot of you know, English as a second language teachers and tutors that have to come in. We all know what that's about. So this is where you really the rubber really meets the road for the teachers unions with funding, that's what they really
care about. And so your point about people not wanting or rather Kamala Harris not wanting people to hold their children back from school because they don't get paid for that day. I don't know if that is true, but if that is accurate, then your theory is certainly very interesting and I'd want to dig into that some more. But yes, the teachers unions represent adults. They don't really represent kids. And I know people get very mad when I say that, but you know, it's never really about
how to fix things for the kids. It's always shorter working hours, smaller class eyes, more money, more benefits. That they'll say that that's also they can do a better job of teaching. But that's a pretty self serving explanation for everything that the teachers Union is pushing for. And que angry emails from members of the teachers Union into my inbox. All right, Leah, listeners may want to switch to cast box pods. Casts on cast box they are working,
all available in playing Leah. I hadn't. I don't even never I've never even heard of cast box pods, So thank you for the heads up on that. You've taught me something new today and we'll have to check it out. Robert writes, second Day Without a Buck, Sex and Show on Stitcher, what's up? Oh my gosh, come on, really, producer, Mike, I got to write an angry email to someone who do I write the angry email to you? Man. We've got to get the podcast has to be up every day.
I know it's not on you, Mike, it's that it's the tech side of this. But you know, we do this incredible show. We got to be able to get the hundreds and thousands of people, hundreds of thousands people that are listening, to be able to listen. Darn it all right. That frustrates me. John writes all that jabbering about the Punisher was pure torture, and if you can't grow a beard without asking other guys for advice, you should just shave and shut up. John. You see them
a little grumpy, my friend. I think that you would be better off not listening to this show. There are so many other shows for somebody of your temperament and obvious intellectual ability. Go listen to one of those shows. Then that's fine. Good luck finding somebody more well versed in the issues that we talk about it and go listen to that show. You'll be looking for a very long time. But I wish you all the best, and the profanity was unnecessary. Michael. I have the cure for
global warming. Make it illegal for Democrats to exhale carbon dioxide. They can inhale all they want, but not exhale. Hm. I'm not sure that that policy will work in action, Michael, but I like where your heads at all right, I will hold on a second, Alex. One more here, Buck, Thanks again for your fantastic show. I have a question, where are the inspectors general? They just seem to be missing.
Would you take some time to explain their function, how they're chosen, what they oversee, how many there are and how long a typical or atypical for that matter, investigation has taken historically. How many different active investigations are ongoing, so what do we know from them so far? I have so many questions. Shouldn't require a deep dive, maybe just a well executed racing dive in shallow waters. Thank you and shields high, Alex. Alex, great questions, but it
is the very end of the show. So I'm saved by the bell on this one. I will try to address these at a later date and I can certainly write you back and answer here on Facebook. That's it for the show today, everybody, thank you for listening. Please tell your friends, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcast hill Tie. If you're in a relationship. There are a couple of important dates that require roses. You know what they are?
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