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Analyzing the Law Enforcement Response in Uvalde

May 26, 202214 min
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Was the response from cops on the scene in Texas sufficient given the urgency of the threat to innocent life in that moment? Video has emerged of parents blocked on the perimeter of the school where the shooting was underway, begging law enforcement to do something to stop the threat. There were cops on the scene within 4 minutes of the initial shooting, why did it take an hour to eliminate the threat? 

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You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Team. Welcome to the Freedom Hunt Thursday, May twenty sixth edition of the program. Just so it'll be out tomorrow on vacation, but I want to just tell you that I'll be back on Tuesday. We have a lot to discuss today about the response, the law enforcement response to the shooting in Uval Day, Texas.

More details have come out, some very much conflicting with

earlier reporting on what exactly happened here. So we will discuss this because it is absolutely incumbent upon us to have a conversation, a serious conversation, rooted in fact, root in reality, about what may have gone wrong with the response to this mass shooting in uv All Day, and what it means going forward for CACT training and all of the possible possible ways to make the percentages here against this kind of a shooting more you know, more likely,

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we know about the shooting in Uval Day. There initially were reports that there was a school resource officer who confronted the shooter, and it turns out that as of as of today and the most recent press conference from law enforcement on this, that was not the case. There was no armed resource officer essentially armed police officer that's there to protect the school on scene. Because it didn't make any sense. The initial report said there was a

confrontation with that resource officer. Well, if that was the case, how did the individual get into the school? How was there no exchange of gunfire? It turns out that was not true. That was not accurate reporting, i should say, from a lot of media outlets, and the shooter was able to just go into an unlocked entrance, walk into the school and begin the murderous rampage that killed over twenty people, all but two of the those slain or

small children. Now, this was also confirmed that within four minutes, within four minutes of the shooting, there was law enforcement on the scene. Law enforcement officers did try to stop the threat initially and were turned back by gunfire from

the shooter. And then this is where there's still so many questions at this point, this is where I think there's going to be a lot of not just after action analysis, but perhaps even some soul searching, some real deep questions in the law enforcement community that responded here about why did it take over an hour after the mass shooting had begun, and with ongoing gunfire, intermittent gunfire for that hour long period to send in the Border Patrol bor Tak tactical team that did shoot and kill

Ramos who had barricaded himself in and was shooting at law enforcement officers and had murdered over over twenty people, murdered, all these these children, defenseless children. I spoke to on radio, spoke to various members of a law enforcement community from around the country, people that had been swat commanders, people that had been school resource officers, spoke somebody from eighty second Airborne and across the board. It seems the training

is you stop the threat. When there's an active shooter situation, stop the threat. Where we heard and the press conference from law enforcement that there was some effort to do negotiation with this individual. It wasn't really clear how that what that really means, because they also said that he didn't he was unresponsive to negotiation. So were they setting up a negotiation team law enforcement while this mass murdering lunatic was still inside in this classroom with defenseless children

and teachers. This, to me, I will just say it sounds like the response was unacceptable. The response of getting rid of the threat here of over an hour, because there's video that has circulated of parents on the perimeter of this school being and the parents are begging law enforcement to go in there and engage this shooter. And there was intermittent gunfire during that hour or two where

he was firing at law enforcement. The parents are begging and being held back, and there's over one hundred police officers and various law enforcement officers who had responded to this. There's one guy with an AR fifteen in body armor on in a classroom. We're gon we're gonna be told. I guess at this point that the response time of over an hour to send in a tactical team to eliminate the threat, which means kill this evil piece of filth that was killing these children. That's supposed to be

a sufficient response from law enforcement. I find that very I found that very hard to take. I think that that's I think we have a major problem here. I think people might say that there was a substantial failure in response time. Now there are a few there are sub mitigating considerations to that response time failure. Narrative. One would be if they had reason to believe that Ramos,

the shooter here, had taken a take. It said, he you know that I have a hostage and if you come in, I'm going to kill more hostage than I already had. But he had already shot so many children. You have to assume that the threat must be eliminated at that point. I mean, you can't wait, there's no it doesn't seem like the negotiation would have had any any positive effect. That there were law enforcement officers that

took fire. Yeah, that's why they have guns too. I would assume that, given the number of law enforcement officers on the scene, that they had some long guns, shotguns as well as pistols as well as side arms with them. And you have how many people, I mean, if you're telling me that one individual with an AR fifteen in a classroom is able to hold off for an hour one hundred determined trained law enforcement officers. I would really

want to know why that is. I'd want to know how that's supposed to be something that we accept as a law enforcement response. And the whole country feels like its soul has been wounded by this awful atrocity in Uvalde.

But if we are going to take in our after action assessment, here something that going forward we could do better to, if not stop all of these attacks and if not necessarily be able to stop you know, every every mass shooting in a school like this, to stop most of them, all almost all of them, and to also mitigate the casualties. And this individual was able to to murder with him with no real effort to stop

him for far too long, it seems. And when they say that law enforcement pulled back after receiving fire, was any law enforcement officer hit or were they was? What level of tactical proficiency are we supposed to believe this

individual has? I mean, I could tell you I remember sitting down in briefings as me as a civilian analyst, not a door kicker, not a not a war fighter, but sitting down across from you know, nineteen year olds, twenty year olds, Marines, sitting down across from guys in their twenties who were seals, Guys who are a little older sometimes who were Delai, you know, in late twenties, early thirties, who were Delta and these guys go in and they were going in in Ramadi and Fellujah and Baghdad,

and you name it to situations where now I know, it's situations where there were people waiting inside with with machine guns who were trained and who were trained fighters. Now I understand law enforcement is not Delta Force and Navy seals. I understand their differences in the tactical proficiency

we can expect. And that's that's clear. But you're going to tell me that this one guy, if if if six cops got in a stack and decided they were going into the room to eliminate this thread, you're gonna tell me that one guy with one a R fifteen would be able to hold all them off? Or what exactly were they waiting for a ballistic shield the whole time?

Was that? I mean, we're gonna have to get a very clear answer to it, because the mass murderer was firing at us, so we wanted to wait until other people came along who had bigger, better guns, for an hour. I don't think that's an acceptable response. I don't think that's an acceptable response. And I've spoken to a lot of law enforcement officers, a lot of former military who have also said that that is not an acceptable response.

But I said similar things after the Pulse nightclub shooting, where you had in minutes, in minutes, not just a law enforcement you had you had swat team in the at the Post nightclub shooting within within a very short period of time, and that went on for over an hour. And the murderer there, now that was a nightclub, dance club, not obviously not a school, but he's walking around executing

people who were already wounded. And they didn't go in, and they said, oh, well, we were concerned that maybe he had rigged the place with a bomb. Okay, but you think if you wait longer and let him shoot

more people, he's not gonna detonate the bomb. I mean, you know, I never really understood that narrative of events from the law enforcement command perspective there either never really got a an answer to that and over forty people were killed in that mass shooting, that by a jihadist who said he was doing this on behalf of Isis, the Islamic State and been Land and all the rest of it. But back to you all day, this is this looks this conference to this press conference that Texas

Partiment Public Safety held today did not did not. First of all, there was essentially no security of any kind at this school, no armed personnel, no locked doors, not even a person it seems his job is to buzz people into the front door or there's nothing. From what

we've been told, there absolutely nothing, which is unacceptable. And then beyond that, the response of law enforce officers, Yes, it required bravery, required courage to go in and and know that you've got somebody who has a semiomatic rifle and is a mass murdering lunatic. You know you are you are risking your life there as a law enforcement officer.

But to hear that, well, they went in, and then nobody else decided to go in for an hour, very very hard to hear that and not feel like there was either a breakdown of the command structure or just the the tactics here were insufficient. For the moment. The tactical decisions that were made were so we'll continue to follow this and look at it and it's important to get this right. But that's my sense of it. I'm got to talk to you about a sponsor for a

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