How Important is Weed to Rap?

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It is 420.

It is 420.

Some people treat this like Martin Luther King Day, whatever reason, but it is a day that most celebrate in terms of smoking herbal refreshments. I like the way you said that. There you go. I don't really partake in it.

It's not my vice.

Yeah, definitely not my vice. But weed culture has been very prevalent throughout hip hop for a long time. So my question to you is how important do you think weed culture is to rap.

I don't think it's as important as people may think. I don't think like.

Yeah, a lot of rappers you would think would with smoke don't like 50% doesn't smoke straight through dense smoke.

You know, like in the. I mean, I've heard him talk about it, but I don't know that he really does.

Yeah, I see them talking about it and doing convincing that whole song all the time. And he doesn't smoke.

Yeah. So, like, I think J.Cole got one of the one of them songs on one of those revenge of the dreamers mixtapes where like, it's supposed to be like a circle of them smoking in. And I just like I don't I don't I don't know that he does. Why is he on this song?

But yeah. Do you think it's important to the culture?

I don't think like I said, I don't think it's as important. As people think it is. Like if no rapper talked about it, I don't think anybody would like feel away or feel like feel left out.

I think it's importance to it. It's kind of like surface level. That is not because I know a lot of the pioneers of hip hop smoked, but they really put in their music like that. It was just me. But I think once you get to the chronic is when now. And suddenly you get the chronic, you get Cypress Hill, you get ghetto boys down here, you get all these different artists who start openly talking about it, and then you yourself be able to both going to go down.

On a hoodie, Mac.

And hoodie. Mac.

You Wu-Tang. Oh yeah, my old man. And apparently I once heard that myth. It was a it was what they call marijuana. It was upon a time, which I don't know if that's really true, but they were method man was has been very prevalent about.

Well, yeah. He has.

His indulgence in him and Ray maybe.

Red.

Man got a whole movie about.

It. Yeah, I know, so I can't say that it's important to the culture, but I do think it was definitely if you want to go down the rabbit hole of the important tenets of hip hop, whether be breakdancing, deejaying, emceeing, I think the smoking in there probably secret fourth.

Yeah, I would say a long form of like, it's a pillar of jazz.

Yeah.

I don't know. That is just all important. I will say, like you say, once you get into what they like, the 90s.

Yeah.

It becomes more prevalent in music. And I think that has helped it become more normalized. I think rap helped it kind of seep more into pop culture. Granted, you already had movies like Cheech and Chong and Dazed and Confused, but I think rap helped to become like it was a thing that, like, everybody enjoys.

It helped kind of create the rock star lifestyle image of rap as well, because writing rap before, you know, rock was the dominant genre and that was synonymous with like hard drugs or heavy drug and partying. So I think the weed culture helped make rap look more cooler, especially to like suburban white key, like, oh, look at them do the smoking the marijuana in your drinking. It looks so cool. I don't think it's like necessary.

Yeah, I think The Chronic made it just cool to talk about like, yeah, I smoked Snoop smoke, Dre smoke I smoke. I mean.

You know what this look like even like you said with like Wu-Tang Method Man, the song is more like coding Hollywood. Just straight up saying like, no, we're smoking. Yeah.

Straight smoking. This is what we smoke and this is what we are smoking on. And I think it made it a lot more acceptable and cooler for people just to say, I well, I'm gonna talk about it today talking about it. And you know why they had no issue with what they were saying? Because now you think now that I sit here and think about it, that was not the prevailing issue of that album.

Did Lois Tucker had an issue with it? What do you think of smoking? What is the first album ever song that comes to mind?

Man, the first album or song?

I can say mine. What do you think of yours?

Go ahead.

Devin the dude. Just trying to leave. Mainly because I haven't done the field research on it. The great album. It's still a great album.

For some reason, Cypress Hill comes to mind.

Just the oddest, album or song.

I can't tell you the name of the song. I could.

Just kill a.

Man. Not that one, but they have a whole song about. Yeah, several whole songs about smoking weed. I think the, for some reason, I cannot see.

I thought you'd say, like, doggy style.

I don't want to be too cliche and say, like, the chronic pops into my head. I mean.

That's a fair.

One. But because album like, when I looked at the show.

Notes, you said, who do you make out of left in your life?

I never would have been lying.

To anybody listening who did back.

I never would have been lying. I definitely would have been lying. No. Cause, like, even when I looked at the show notes, I immediately thought, all right, we're going to need, like, a weed smoking song or artists that are known for this. In my mind, I immediately went to Dre and Snoop.

I mean.

They're the my my immediately went.

To shoot.

And was like, yo, we need we need a Snoop song.

The next episode, the song is a Great Smoking record.

It is.

It is like just that dude magic. Just pillars of.

Smoke. And with Nate. No. And it was like the tour de they went on with that album was Up in Smoke.

Up in Smoke as a DVD.

Great, great DVD great. My cousin Audrey had shout out to RG Massey.

RG.

Exposes to a lot that we probably shouldn't have been exposed.

All of his out of the duct tape CPS case as well.

Oh yeah yeah yeah. You didn't.

Or you didn't have kids or you didn't have.

Kids or she watching y'all.

No, I was I watching I'll.

Just completely go up this upper.

Level. Is there a lot.

Going on that even up the Up Smoke DVD is like the counter backstage DVD backstage. It was in this, you know, dudes up in smoke was just.

It was everything you could think about that those gentlemen would be doing. They did.

It. You could be. You could buy that DVD at a music store. You could buy it at the store. But.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think I think more like a currency.

I think I definitely think of currency. I definitely.

Think of with.

Smoked is a name.

It is in the name that actually don't mean anything. No big deal.

Very true, very true.

None of the big three do it. I mean, like, talk about it like the Drake. Cole.

Yeah, I think a schoolboy schoolboy. Mac Miller.

Mac Miller early. Mac Miller.

Very early and very early.

But like I said, I don't think we go to like super import. I just I hate sometimes though, I feel like newer rappers feel like they have to like, glorify. I do it more than they normally do to try to, you know.

Appease to the audience.

But if you don't do it, it's fine. Like nobody, you know?

Yeah, I don't think that's why I don't think it's as important. Like if you don't talk about it or if you don't do it, I don't think like it's this, this issue. Although when I say I don't do it, people do look at me kind of crazy, like, bro, you don't smoke? No, that's not my voice. I probably because I say it's not my voice. And I don't think a lot of people know what that means, actually, that.

I think that, I brought this type of couple of courses for 20 years just because I thought about how much is ingrained into just the culture itself. And it's like I said, it's not even so much that you have to do it to be popular, but it is. It's almost understood that. Partaking in it makes you look cool. Like I said, Felicity has a whole song called High All the Time and he doesn't smoke, so. But he understood at least that the people that listen to this album.

They probably smoke.

So let me make something for him.

I get it like you do it to appease to the audience. Like you said, I don't think it's super important, but I'd be like I say, rap has helped make it a lot more normal in just everyday culture. Like it's not as taboo as it was before or taboo at all. And when you get into rap, I think some rappers do feel like, well, I got to kind of talk about it or I have to kind of do it, you know? But I mean, if you do, you do it. You don't, you don't. I don't think it really matters. I don't think, Wayne.

I will say Wayne in his adlib, it's the lighter flick.

Yeah. Like you say, I think it's a pillar. Ajith.

Yeah, it's something that's talked about and embraced. But you don't have to necessarily do it yourself too.

But you don't have to be a very prevalent smoker either. Like you can say you did it once in a song and then like you, good. As long as the song was good. I think people ragweed it takes.

So yes, this last time we did a show, the Drake Versus Everybody, show is still ongoing, and we hit report live on new details. I don't have any details, but.

I mean, a lot happened over the over last weekend.

Like Drake dropped dropping. Give me.

50. Drop me, give me 50.

Response to Kendrick.

Rick Ross dropped a champagne.

Moment.

For champagne moments. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I like about Rick Ross? Did songs. He'll find something to call you and call you that throughout the entirety of the song.

Entire song.

And with this and this point with Dre, he called him White boy the entire.

So I thought it was hilarious.

Yeah.

I thought it was hilarious.

Rick Ross was the unforeseen character in this movie.

I thought it was well.

Granted when Drake dropped dropping Give Me 5,090% of the song was aimed at Kendrick. We save some balls to the side for Rick Ross. Which what do you say by Rick Ross about.

Many of you jumping in. Is you almost.

50. Yeah. Almost 50.

Yeah. And I take your your grill and cover up like something.

Yeah. Because he brought Rick Ross, his girlfriend, to his. What they show. Yeah. To be petty.

A lot of people got stories in it.

Yeah. No, this isn't about the weekend.

He said something about John Murray.

And of all people.

Okay? They he they were dating. Yeah. They. Woman.

He says I'm about metro.

There's still a lot of still five little areas to.

I'm sorry in the wagering.

He could.

Do in the way Drake is being party to a major.

Drum.

Scene in a marching band out of, a strip club and having a mariachi band play a satellite is. Look, Drake is a he's a character, man.

Drake is petty. But, yeah. So he Drake drop dropping. Give me 50. Rick Ross responded a couple hours after that. Once again, I forgot how petty Rick Ross is. He'd been going around calling Drake Bieber, drifting for the last few days.

Claim that Drake got a nose job done.

Like his father, which I don't like. The person I don't look like Drake, I don't know.

I looked at it, it was like, I think this picture he used is kind of Photoshop, but all right before. And he also claimed that Drake had cosmetic surgery back.

Back.

And now he no longer has it. That's why he's walking around with like, the the bulletproof vest and, motocross gear on at his show.

Now, granted, Drake is reactive. I'm not saying that because I am a fan of Drake, but the truth is, at the time people say little things to him. Now, I'm not saying that Drake's not doing stuff behind the scenes or hasn't done loosely disses himself, but when Drake starts getting into his, you know, name calling thing, somebody said something.

Yeah, he's very, very he goes on the defensive when somebody aims something straight at him.

And it didn't help that the number one song in the country for three weeks straight is like that song that Kendrick is dissing Drake on. Fun fact the last time a rap song last that long at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 was got played by Drake in. 2018.

The universe has a sense.

Of humor, severe humor. So why is everybody coming to Drake?

Good question.

Man.

Good question.

That's everybody coming at the kid from Toronto.

If the rumor is to be true that he has some type of stake in these artists is music.

That's I thought that that was debunked. Then he's got a community, no doubt, at this point.

Yeah.

See, I ain't.

Got no return of Michael Jackson with Sony. We're not doing that.

I didn't know that. I didn't I didn't see the update on the tweet. But if that's to be true, the I understand it. But if that's been debunked with that being debunked, then I just think Drake isn't as genuine and nice of a guy as he probably portrays himself out to be. And now it's just all coming out.

Like I said, I fully believe. Okay. So I think, like we said last week, thing with him and Kendrick is personal but also sport. Yeah, I think it's personal in the sense where they just wouldn't speak to each other if they were the same room. But it's not bad if they start fighting.

Yeah. I don't think that's happening with any of this.

Yeah. No, I also think that that Pusha T thing really put a chink in Drake's armor. Granted, it was already kind of late anyway, because Drake didn't come up like most rap. He did come out of the, you know, the hood or so he, you know, he come from the grant he was on to grants as a kid. So people already kind of what'd you.

Know, he didn't come from the bottom but had a song called Started From the Bottom. And yeah, everybody was super critical of that song.

I still don't like that.

So I let's do it. If we come on.

If it's. Well, for the album by itself. So, you know, it's that chick dumb. But also with the Ross thing, Ross is just, you know, he's lost his people. Although, like somebody said, he went in there for Meek Mill like that.

Yeah.

Where was he for meek Hito Meek to give him some space.

They showed.

Me.

So I mean, if I was him, I would just give my dog some space. Like, what.

If you said up Nikki too? It's like it's at all.

I never trust in Nikki.

I can't say she's got it, man. But the wicked thing is weird, though. They have a weird relationship.

I was about this. I was going to say. Is it weird? Like, I don't know what.

Like, what do you. They're like, they call each other brothers. And you know, The Weeknd is praising Drake for helping find him. Then the next year, they're beefing again.

Very passive aggressive between those two.

Is all have to do. Who has custody of party like I don't know.

What is.

What is going on.

Well I say it's very passive aggressive because like you say, a one year drinking weekend will sing like they're cool and they seem like they communicate or have talked recently, or take a picture if they see each other out at the same place in Toronto. But like the weekend will have an issue with Party Next Door, who he knows is signed with Drake. And then, like now we're here and there seems to be tension between them. So it's like, yo, what? What is going.

On with you think that my, I would be surprised that that is the wild card, that it is that Drake is has and we can have a hard time get along because the party is fighting. We can't stand each other.

I could.

See that. I could see, I had to see. At this point, I just see them being frenemies like I see them. If I see Drake in the weekend, like if we're in the same room together and party is not there. Yeah, bro, I'll talk to you. I'll talk to you. I will dap it up. We'll take a picture. We'll get some drinks together. Cool. If party is there. I'm not saying a word to neither one of your holiday parties.

Potentially. You know I don't. We still don't like each other, right? You just over here gallivanting around town with him.

Like you.

We. We don't like each other. To act stupid. That's what somebody said. They'll be doing this on be the best. They don't know what. This they do. Oh, but no, I wasn't getting, like we say last week. This is something that Drake has to go against it. Kendrick to me is Drake's final boss because he there's not another artist with more impact. There's not another artist that that shifted the culture in the time that they've been out. I can't think anybody bigger.

But 21 is bigger than Kendrick.

Yeah, but Drake going against him would do. But Kendrick. Yeah. Because Kendrick Scott can get you on hits and on lyricism.

Yeah.

Like I say you know Travis is up there too. Drake can get past rascally Travis can't rap.

Well.

You know, he just makes, you know, big loud anthems. 21 thing I haven't neither one of them. What they should be 21. Got he got a club out there and we got bodies. Let us see. Yo! Get you out. Let me get you out of here. I'd like them.

And I think they urge, I think him in 21 a genuine friend.

So I just thought him a future. Would you.

This is very true. This is very true. I guess nobody's really friends in hip hop. Granted, unless you're Jake old, I don't know, I don't know.

I do know you tiptoeing around food, rating it really good.

I know you don't like Joe Budden, but I can't agree. I don't think he really wants to do that with future because I think he still wants to be friends. Future. I think he still wants to be friends with future.

I think he's been so mad. Grown man. Say that about me. That's a nicely worded letter. Let me talk about me like I'm no six year old.

I think he still wants to make music with him. And oh, I don't think he really, I don't I don't think the issue between him is that serious. I think future is really only. Doing this because of Metro, because Drake and Metro Boomin have an issue. And I think features like, what is my real dog over here? The real homie. So I'm I'm going to stick with him.

We'll see. I also think Greg knows who to play with. That's saying that Drake is scared everybody.

But you think you Draymond Draymond know who to do all.

You do you know do the Europeans.

You do that with raw.

Disney.

Makes sounds like Drake is scared of anybody. And I think his crew is pretty tight. But after he knows the certain people you can't. It's been a clumsy throwing bottle. The team like Chris Brown is going to get really bad.

So that.

Came across my timeline the other day.

About him throwing bottles.

And I was like, wait, I'm having to.

Get.

The funniest part about the whole thing is that Tony was there, I got it. You don't Parker, you play for Spurs.

So this was random.

Is that what you're trying to himself? Get a little time on the off season? Is it been a bottle war throwing contest? I don't like I said. We'll see. Kendrick has not responded yet.

I heard a theory. I don't know how true this is.

This is Joe Budden theory.

No no no no no no no. This is this has nothing to do with Joe Budden. I was I checking notifications on TikTok and when as soon as you open app before you pages in. I don't know who this gentleman was, but what he said.

This random guy on.

TikTok, he said he was down with PPG, Lane said he was down with, I don't know me, he work for if you do street promo, I don't know. But his theory made sense to me in the sense that I don't think Kendrick is going to respond as long as Rick Ross is on a hundred and continuously going at Drake at the Kendrick feels like, well, I don't want to do that and get stepped on by some Nia Ross is say it. Or if Rose decides to put out another album. So I'm gonna let this do what it do.

I can see that. I can definitely see that. Also, my theory on that is, is my final point is that he doesn't have to say anything. The song, that one cuts my response in every way. When this dies down, I'll say something which?

Which is? I told somebody on Twitter, they're like, when you can make a yo, this record, a hit song ain't. That's another win. That's just some that's even more of a win than just having a regular disregard, because people now have to be force to hear y'all forget that back to back was and Grammy nomination talk.

Yeah was unbeknownst to Drake. But yeah like I said, it's the number one song in the country and it's just a verse on somebody else's song. So from Kendrick for he's like.

And he probably is sitting back like, we've been number one for three weeks straight. I don't really have to say anything. Yeah. He has to continue to hear me speak to him.

Yeah. He's basically created by a guy like Drake has been playing catch up to me. My verse is at the top in the most talked about. You have to put out a whole song to try to keep this thing going.

Yeah, I don't need the attention. I'm cool. I don't even have an album coming.

Exactly. So he's like, I should go out, but you know.

Stick around for more after this quick break.

Hip hop facts, time, facts about the culture and they can be facts minute. When we've done facts, hip hop facts, we've done R&B facts.

All culture encompassing.

You want to go first there. Yeah. Go ahead.

Yeah I'll go first. Ray Parker junior, the man who behind the Ghostbusters theme song and major hit.

Make fun of him. But he wrote and produced that song for his claim.

He did a lot more than just Ghostbusters two. Exactly. Apparently he has a writing credit on two changes a them strippers. How two Chainz in the song says Mr. Telephone Man. There's something wrong with my line.

He produced.

It. When I dial my baby's number. I get a click every time. Which, as we know, Mr. Telephone Man has a new edition. Single mom that Ray Parker Jr wrote and produced.

I thought that was a phrase I love. Corrected. He was there, like manager.

Or it is that he wrote the song for years before even giving it to New Edition. So yeah, shout out to Ray Parker, junior man.

He said to Ray Parker. Junior. Yeah. Written by Ray Parker junior. It was originally recorded by Junior Tucker, but yes, I think it was the more prevailing, like 6070s and 80s was somebody who put out a song. Like two years later, somebody would come in to blow up your song. That ain't good for y'all, start doing it. Because I was like, well, if I do change, go, come on. Like, well, this will all come out like Otis Redding, the Sam Cooke version, like, wait a minute. But. All right.

Yeah, you can't take his historical place in within hip hop.

Yeah, exactly. He's still sitting in a prison cell right now, but hip hop fact for sure. Ignite is that at one point in time, he played for the Los Angeles Rams in 1987 during the players strike because he, didn't really get drafted. He ended up, you know, practice squads. But he got playing time in 87 with

Shout out to Marion show ignite man. He's a he's a legend. I'll give him that. I can't like I like we say you can't take away his place within the pantheon of hip hop. Yeah.

He just, you know unlucky.

Very unlucky.

My second fact T.I., the King of the South, self-proclaimed. And the first time he proclaimed it. The song was featured on the shaft soundtrack Two Glock Nines featuring Beanie Sigel. It was very.

I feel like I've heard, but I've heard it a long time.

He proclaimed himself to be the King of the South. So shout out to T. I mean, the only person that challenged that was a little flip. The anybody else really cared?

Hey, man, you know, it's interesting how stuff like that starts in the most random places, like the first collaboration with Snoop and Dre is on a movie soundtrack. Deep cover, you know, deep covered it okay, in theaters, but the song is diffused anyway. Also celebrating yesterday was Illmatic.

Yeah. 30th anniversary.

Death anniversary, NAS the debut album, some considered one of the greatest albums in hip hop history. Something is the best. Do I think it's the best album of all time? And hip hop is.

The greatest hip? I don't, I don't because it's it's I'll give it. It's one of them. But the greatest like now I.

Don't know what they'll do. So the album covers NAS as a child. If you notice it's kind of tearing it which looking at it you don't know if that was added for the effect of decay, it was added as genuine. Apparently the terror is genuine. According to law professor, he said, I quote. I remember going to Nisa House and we are chilling. And he's like, yo, this is the flick I'ma use for the album cover. He had it under a piece of glass, and I guess when he went to grab it, the glass must have

Got you got.

You got you got that.

Interesting fact. Interesting fact. Because to be honest with you, until people pointed out that there was a terror, I didn't know a thing.

Because.

That was already grainy anyway.

Yeah, I didn't like I didn't notice the terror.

So, I mean, would that would you argue that when started putting your baby picture on the cover album for Grace?

Because Wu-Tang the.

Wu-Tang. Are you that fan?

No, no, not Ghostface and Raekwon. Okay, I get it.

Yeah, me, Wu-Tang adjacent Ghostface and Raekwon say it'd be.

A.

Biggie. Biggie was dragging his these men.

What's crazy is that from what I understand, Raekwon and Ghost would even get close with biggie. They just made him a couple titles like, yeah, we got to feed them like, yo, what?

I think.

You know, man, I don't know if you want.

To close to now. That's what it was.

I don't know if it was the. Well, for the first time, I would like a baby picture. I don't.

Think so.

And he wasn't really a baby.

Like six. He had a baby.

It's.

Well, I guess I.

Guess this is him. Biggie. And then Wayne started it. Wendy Cole has done it called Jacko.

Yeah.

Was that one with him as a kid? Look at love.

That. Hey, is that how the child is?

A lot more.

Child baby.

Pictures on the cover?

Because people do it just that, just to be doing it. There's a lot more. But I think that was the first one.

I'll tell you.

I'll give it to NAS. He kicked that trend off. He kicked Adrian off in here. But I can't name anybody before him. They did it.

Yeah. Me neither. So that would.

Be.

My third and final fact. Sky zoo rabbit out of Brooklyn, New York. I recently found out and I actually saw it as episode two at 19. He was on 106 Parks Freestyle Friday. Oh, yeah. And he said it was just two weeks before GM announced his Rough Rider signing, which I remember the whole video. They came out after you announced. And in hindsight, in retrospect, Skyes was the big artist.

Oh, God. Yeah. I can't deal with you.

That, I don't know.

It's guys who say they still talk to Gene. They have a really good relationship. But he did say about putting him on no album? No.

I feel like Rough Riders had a reunion concert tour not too long ago and Gene was there.

I feel like they did too, but I don't remember if Gene was there or not. I wouldn't be shocked if he was probably needed to check. I don't know. I mean, I do not count them in pockets.

I would say, like, I don't know what he got going on. My final fact Keeping Up with Illmatic, celebrating one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time, NAS recorded New York State of Mind in one take. One of the better songs on the album, of course.

As he really is rapping.

And also he was a kid too. He's like.

18. Yeah.

Yeah. DJ for me, I said, NAS did that in one take. One take. Not so when. Just one take over there. But also MC speak to NAS. It mentioned that his favorite sessions for yo matic with Premier. So I think their rapport kind of helped.

Make a sort of picture day post then and now on Instagram, and you got people saying they wanted a NAS and Preme album. I wouldn't be mad at that. And I heard people say, I mean, this happened too late. What? What are you talking about? Y'all wouldn't. Y'all heard NAS and Preme doing music today. Yeah, I would jump right on it and B, listen to it. Cut that out. Oh, I don't want to hear that. It's too late for this now, They making the second Beetlejuice movie? Nothing's too late.

Yeah. Facts never die. They make another Beetlejuice.

Not just too late, man. I want you there.

Well, yeah, and I said premiere was the best producer he work with. None of them. I heard.

That.

Before. He's saying that basically saying. And he quote that, you know, he went to trial type of sounds, getting the right techniques, whatever took he listen. All my ideas listen. And I listen to his. And it worked smooth. It was like me and him. We just didn't want to rush into nothing fast. We want to make sure it was just right.

So shout out to pre man big H-Town.

Yeah that but that also which is ironically produced song got New York state of mind. I would argue New York State of Mind was the biggest hip hop in New York. Right. Going to tell you about our state of mind came out.

Yeah, like New York and the like the quote unquote anthem.

Then I played Dog Brand New York and out there in the park.

And they weren't playing Cameron and Jay-Z's joint. They were not like they did.

You like that? Maybe, flexes of the world and these.

I give you.

I would say the gyro joint New York. Yeah.

It was pretty. Me, I was pretty, I.

Guess it was, but it just got it. The momentum got sucked out of 150, started going everybody. He sucked the momentum out of that.

So he did. He did. I still remember Jadakiss on stage. Camera on stage at the versus saying telling Jadakiss you don't got a a New York record in it. I don't want to drop that era.

I thought about that versus the other day. I said, boy, that, that, that boy.

People won't stop sharing.

I never.

Thought.

I never thought in a million years.

It did not go the way I thought it would go.

I thought Dipset was gonna pull that.

I thought I was like, oh, a and they and they in Manhattan, they in the garden. I'm like, oh yeah, they definitely got it. And then they started doing they then they started doing they favorite songs.

But it's like they see somebody say, you seen Jimmy Cam together.

Since.

You haven't.

Really.

Have unpopular opinion time with fresh himself. Yes.

So with this whole Kendrick Lamar Drake 20 VH1 thing going on, Drake against the world.

He said he didn't say it. What is this, 2031?

And is this.

As, Drake against the world versus everybody is confused say earlier it has a a lot of people doing think pieces via Twitter and the internet, which I think is kind of annoying at some time. Some are good takes, some are not an OG in hip hop. Had a take which I don't know where he got this from, but Chuck D earlier in the week or I think like over the weekend, he tweeted, rap in hip hop didn't form from this battle culture he formed from party dance culture.

Yeah.

Because I don't know what Chuck D is talking about. And I don't know where he got that. People are saying that hip hop was birthed out of battle rap culture. Who is saying that? And whoever is saying that they are completely wrong. Yes, hip hop stems and it was birthed out of the park jams and the Black parties that were being thrown. Yes, that is where it comes from.

I did go get you. What is see, Jesus.

I was.

Here because I saw other people say, well, he the OG, so we going to read his word, knowing that because this isn't right, this is not right, this is wrong. And just because he is Chuck D does not mean he can't not be wrong. And just because another elder statesman says something does not mean we just have to get in line and follow it. Because yes, battle Batali battle culture has been a part of hip hop. As I replied to him and said, well, has Batali never existed in rap?

Breaking. He said that I think the last week.

The bullet was just goofy, like I said. But anyway, that's beyond a fact. That's beyond my point. Like, I just looked at that and watched people blindly go with it because it was Chuck D and you just couldn't go, it's Chuck D, you just can't go against what? And where was Chuck D with Ice Cube in common? Where was Chuck D when Ice Cube released No Vaseline? Where was Chuck D when L.L. cool J was going at everybody that he could do.

The original 20 versus one?

Like, where was Chuck needed to bring up badly? He had nothing to say in those, I think elder statesman OGs in hip hop. Look at Tupac and Biggie and they take that and run with it. This is why you don't need to be beefing in rap. This is why we don't need battling in rap. What? That was its own thing in itself, that got way out of hand that the media continued to perpetuate. And then did it once.

You know, you. There's nobody we, like you said before, there's Drake and there's everybody else in terms of numbers.

Yeah. So this isn't that, man. This is not going to end up in it. And I just think Chuck D is wrong. Like I don't know where he got his information from because I haven't seen anyone say that hip hop was birthed out of battle culture. People have say that battling is a part of the culture. And as I say it, it has been Cole Crow versus the Fantastic Five. That was a battle granite. They made money off of it, which goes in even more into it. It this is all entertainment. All of this is WWE.

Yeah.

Like Chuck Dean, it had nothing to say about Cameron and Cameron and Jay-Z, which was was some comedy when he had JJ down. But dynamite playing Jay-Z in that video, but like, come on Chuck D, you got to take a step back, man, and look at things in totality. You can't just use what happened to begin. Tupac as the only reference point for quote unquote rap beef. And before anybody says anything else, you can't say like, well, look at 50 Cent Giroux. That's them deepening rap. That's doomed.

Just falling off a cliff. Yeah. Me? Yeah. I don't agree with Chuck D on that one either. He is an OG and he's right about a lot of things, but you never know.

Yeah.

Most times I'm with him. But when I saw this, I was like, whoops. Where did you get this from? Who was he talking to?

Yeah. This is just like I agree with like 100 ever in life. But, so I'm being interviewed by academics.

Yeah, I know exactly what you type.

You're wack. Was basically just that this is just two guys rapping, man.

It's not let them rap. If anybody else try to take this outside the rap then and somebody else.

But right now it's just rapping. So but yeah good one.

All right. So let's get some helpful hints from Confucius. And Confucius reads the news.

Earlier in the show. You were talking about TikTok, right? Do you know why you can't go back to that thing about it here? According to The Verge, a bill that could oust TikTok from the United States looked like it could linger for months in the Senate, even after the House overwhelmingly voted to approve it. But a move by House speaker Mike Johnson from Louisiana could change that.

One way or another.

There's going we'll have to live with a bill that involves war.

So look, man, I hope you I got your YouTube up and go. I don't mean I.

Have said it. Look, I get the argument for not banning it, but what? Like the article said, their parent company, ByteDance, is based in China, and China could pull those records any time they.

Want.

It. A lot of y'all put a lot of information on TikTok. Granted, most of y'all I mean, not that serious, but still.

Nobody is going to be hurt. But those people who are making most of their money from taking and I've.

Said it before, the United States does espionage on its own, so it's not like it would have done us.

So no, no, no, no, we don't like foreign espionage. Yeah.

No no no. Yeah. We can watch you I can't watch. So yeah. But if China has figured out a way to infiltrate American society because of some reels and clips, then, boy. That's you that will come and.

I lose mine. I'm not going to cry about it. I'm. I'm not going to cry. But it's not a big deal to me.

I would argue, too, that we all have family, that we might not have the best relationship with, people that we might want to fix. Those relationships are just like, no, I don't even know we have Saint blood. I don't want anything to do with you. Somebody who can empathize with that right now is Robert F Kennedy Junior. I should say, apparently, this entire Kennedy family is going to endorse President Joe Biden in Philadelphia as a slight to RFK. When you know your family, don't lie to you.

Hey, yo.

It's so the.

Kennedy run deep.

Do they do did a lot of them. And they recently released a family picture not too long ago. And he was not damaged.

He didn't get the he didn't get the invite.

It says more than 15 members of the storied Kennedy political family will endorse US President Joe Biden at a Philadelphia campaign in rebuke of Robert F Kennedy Jr's independent bid for office. The event was this past Thursday and yeah.

Little bit better. Just just drop out, bruh.

But okay, so he can't because his campaign manager was caught on tape saying that he's basically there as a spoiler for Trump trying to pull votes away because they they're trying to limit Joe Biden's Electoral College page, which once again, damn, bro, you're a Kennedy. You don't have to do this. You do know that, right? I mean, hell, at one point in time, Auto Sports League was in your family and you're doing this. You have to do this.

You know, maybe we drew you look like you.

Like you. You really could have just, like, sat back and been anything else you want to be could there's mad mediocre Kennedy.

About to say.

Like most Kennedy.

And you just decided to be just you had you just had to be the the joker of the family.

Didn't you talk about being the Black sheep?

That's what everybody said. He was I this was like, yeah, no, we're not I don't I don't rock with him. I'm like, damn, y'all united in tragedy. They still rock with you. You would take a family back to that much Black. You know what? Whatever issues that we might have personally.

We set them.

Aside because we know how short life is. Like, yeah, screw that.

Back.

And we will care about that.

And you're the man. You're the vote you Bobby Kennedy son. Brennan. Stop it bro.

I know, like I really.

Don't the second.

Most famous Kennedy.

You really don't have to do this.

You don't have to do this. Like you're just doing it just to do anyway. So Donald Trump is currently in court for one of his many things, as the court for this is for that fraud cases.

This is the one in New York.

Yeah. Currently fraud case in New York. One of his arguments for because the judge basically told Trump he has to be at every guest appear at every court hearing. Otherwise he'll go to jail. And Trump's arguments that, well, doing that will make him miss his youngest son, Barron's high school graduation, which at the same time float flew. I feel like there were just like.

Six adult laureates, going to be.

Honest with you. That's because all Trump's other kids are grown. Michael Cohen of Trump's former lawyer, was on CNN the other day, and he basically laughed at Trump's assertion that he was going to miss Barron's graduation quote. I find it not just comical, right? But I find it insulted. And that's the big issue.

I was going to ask that has he been to any of, you know.

Any of.

Them? He's just trying to find where he's.

Trying to find a way out of.

It. Yeah, okay.

You didn't go to that. What are your kids graduation, bro? You have five children. Don't try to do the last one. Try to get out of court row at work. I'm telling you how stupid Sopranos.

I'm like.

Trump sounds like a deadbeat dad. I got to go back to your graduation, bro. You're kidding me. Know your.

Name?

He graduates kids looking at like, who are you? He seemed like the type.

You probably not even expecting him to be there.

That's one thing I'll give Trump supporters. That boy, could. They can spend it. I would love for them to try to explain that, you know, you don't go to college graduations.

Oh, man.

Also during Trump's Manhattan trial, one of the jurors got dismissed because, of course, Jesse Waters on Fox News added her identity and she fears for her life.

My goodness.

You would think Fox News would learn from getting sued before that. Leave people alone.

But I guess they haven't learned,

When he went to jump on a train tracks that train to keep running over you. But this past Tuesday, the seven jurors been selected to determine whether Donald Trump should be the first president ever convicted of a crime. But by Thursday morning, there were only six. According to Judge Juan Merchant, the juror was excused after later expressing doubt that she could remain fair and impartial. In particular, she said that friends and family had I reached out to ask if she was serving on the jury.

Oh my goodness.

Yeah, that sounds like to me what they said. I was saying, Jamie Fox, you know, the uncle, uncle junior. That sounds like a big ass lawsuit, because, boy, they'd get out.

I definitely be suing.

Chateau for, you know, being honest, saying I can't be impartial because I'm getting death threats because of this. Because I said, you know what? You sure I'm different this year? Now, this one ain't no he could do to not that be guilty. You damn right I'm saying. I would have said nothing. I just said right there.

Yes, you're right. I'm definitely suing. I'm definitely suing Fox. I'm definitely suing. You better get.

Out of trouble and go kill you. Watch this.

Yeah. Let the. Yeah. Let my job address out in my neighborhood, bro.

Come on, man, come on.

I walk outside, somebody's throwing some at me. I'm getting off work.

We all go back. I'm going to be cool again. I'm being in for murder. But we better go.

Everybody out.

So. Yeah. The goat man.

It sounded like it looking.

I'm not. You know, I'm sure there's people that listen to the breaks that are supporters of Trump and. I'm not trying to say that your undisputed leader is weird and when wonky. I'm just saying some of this stuff didn't make any damn sense to me when you know that I was doing it for bad, right? Like, I know nobody. Nobody's doing everybody. No, nobody's mixing and death threats because of. Well, you know what? Not really death threats, but I'm not gonna say anything.

Oh.

It's just it's a lot going on in the world. I say that under bad leadership. NBA YoungBoy was arrested.

Again.

In Utah for multiple charges. According to jail records obtained by Hip Hop Rd. The Baton Rouge native, whose real name is Cantrell Gordon, was booked in Cascade County Sheriff's Office this past Tuesday. He has been charged with a string of weapons, drug and fraud charges, including pattern of unlawful activity, procuring or attempting to procure drug prescription, identity fraud, forgery, possession of other controlled substances and possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person.

We had three government.

Agencies.

Going after him. Apparently he had been warned because he's on probation in Utah. He there's another case that he's fighting and they you know, he agreed a couple of years ago to instead of prison, to be hauled up in the mountains of Utah, which is a wild place in Baton Rouge. And yeah, apparently, some, I guess, is lawful to reach out to him saying like, hey, bro, we're here. A lot of things going on up there. Him you're not doing drugs, are you? Not supposed to. He base I'ma keep doing it.

So this young man clearly likes jail. He likes. I think he likes in being I don't. You know what? Let me let me say I mean, that's.

Yeah. According to U.S. Attorney Ronald C gates Jr, he claimed the young boy had informed his supervising officer that he has no intentions to discontinue using a substance that resulted in his violation.

Are you? He.

He's like, he's 24 years old.

The lights on, but nobody is at home in.

I think your boy just. He's he's a troubled soul. Dallas is very troubled.

Definitely.

That's why you tell you you're on probation. You're like, I'm not doing. I'm not. I'm gonna keep.

Doing. I'm listening, and I'm gonna keep doing this.

So now I'm pretty sure the gun revoke his probation. I'm sure he is in prison. Until it's time for his court case.

So that's nuts, man.

Wild. The biggest artist of a generation. It's just.

Can't stay free.

Can't stay free. And that's future, reads the news.

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