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Whitney down. There's no reef reparations and what is needed for people. We are the ones that were injured, solos and solos enslavement is stuff. The people who are owed for slavery are no longer here. I want to check. I don't think reparations is a good idea. Everyone should be given the damage that was done to their family cash payment. I don't want to no government, and though reparations should be welcomed by all, some folks may want checks.

But what we're really talking about is closing that wealth gap and making people hold me here. We are on the corner of Wall and Broad Street, one of the most like famous corners in America. Right, it's the seat of capitalism. We're standing at the feet of George Washington, founder of our country, who's looking across Wall Street at the New York Stock Exchange. Is this it? This is it? It's smaller than I thought. It looks more oppressive than pictures.

I was doing a little research before we came down here Erica. And you know, the value of the companies contained in the New York Stock has changes over thirty trillion dollars. That's ten trillion dollars, more than the nation's GDP every year or thirty Amazon and the value and the amount of trading that is done every day there are out of money that passes through. There is I think over one hundred and sixty billion dollars every day. When you think of Wall Street, what do you think

of I think of this. I mean, it's a lot of stone. There's all these really beautiful polished bronze doors with sparkling glass and a lot of really decorative iron work around, and it's kind of telling everybody, well, if you're a white man, you can come in, but everybody else stay out. Meant to intimidate, and it does. It's not only intimidating to New Yorkers, but I think it's meant to be intimidating to the world. What I didn't realize is that directly across the street is Federal Hall's

walk up there a little bit America. We're standing in front of Federal Hall Memorial, and that's another gothic building, and out in front of it there's a statue of George Washington. And it really struck me and I saw us, here's the founder of our country, and he's looking across the street at the stock Exchange as if he's looking at the capitalist foundation of the country. But this is

where he took the oath of office upstairs in this building. Wow. Yeah, they really did a nice job on the bronze work near his crutch. And it matters because you're looking up at him and you're meant to see his penis first and then go up to his face and follow his eyes to the stock Exchange. At least that's not what I see at our back is George Washington. If we look to our right, we can see Trinity Church, the oldest church. I think he's one of those churches in

the country, oldest church in New York. If you look across the street directly in front of us as a stock exchange, and then if you look down the street to the water, do you know what's down that street the location of New York's first slave market that was founded in seventeen eleven. So we should have, like the four points of the compass, in America, we have politics, money, religion, slavery. That sounds right. Black people will always make up the

four points. And in fact none of these things could exist. These politics, that religion, or that money without slavery, And that's the unfortunate part. For them to have white freedom and white success, they needed black bodies. You know, when I met you, Whitney, I had no idea that I would be stuck with you for this long. We've been talking about reparations for two years. It's only been two years for us, but it's been one hundred and fifty

years for our country. Did you ever imagine yourself making a project about reparations with a guy named Whitney Burton Dow from the colony of Cambridge, Massachusetts. No, like you often point out a rolling of a wasp or a colonist. Well, yeah, I guess if you come from Cambridge, Massachusetts in your name Mats Whitney Burton Dow, you look a little whitish. So yeah, but who better than you to represent for your people? Well, if you're talking about white people, yes, yes,

I'm white people. Yeah, you're a guy white people in America. That's you. Well, Hamas Hollywood. You know you're no pauper. I've seen your house. If you did, you wouldn't be saying that I need reparations just as much as anybody. I am. No Cambridge Whitney Dow and I didn't just pop into people's movie screens and on stages and in theaters all over the world. I have an origin story. We all have origin stories. And origin stories are how you live. They don't hopefully determine who you are. Yeah,

it's about the stories we tell ourselves. And I guess story shape our present reality. And I think that's where every story starts. Every good story is between reality and myth. Like, what's possible telling the truth? Well, you're setting a pretty high bar that you and I are going to get to the truth. Everybody lives different truths now. I think your truth is mixed me a lot alive. Thanks for that. Are you talking about me personally, Erica or collectively as

the white guy here? Both reparations. It's a complicated issue, and I'm not sure if I'm the right person to tell the story with you, Erica. Yeah, I might be too white. Well, I'm extra black, I'm extra crispy black. Does that offset some of my whiteness? Is that what you're saying? No, No, you're white. You white. You gotta live with it, you know, any of my problem, I'm gonna coattail on your blackness here. By the way, this is a conversation. If we're going to go on this

journey about reparations, it ain't about you. No, you would say it is about you. But I'm Harry, it's child you hear me. I'm here to rescue my people. And the last time I checked, we just got a new black woman VP. Right now I'm feeling like, ain't nothing too big for me? And if not you Whitney, then who step up? If we're going to do this, We've got to make a plan. We've got to find experts. We gotta, you know, find people who actually know what

they're talking about. Oh, just goose your eyes and make a wish count to three. Yeah, that's come on. That's Sheila Jackson Lee. That's Congressional hearing on HR forty nineteen. America is a place and welcomes the diversity of thought. We even welcome the diversity of thought among the multi colored chocolate people that are African Americans. Did you hear that multi colored chocolate? Do you see how she got down, old girl as a warrior? If we were to pay

reparations today, we would only divide the country further. About to turn on him like mister and colored purple. Reparations, by definition, are only given to victims. Victims had no consent. What you're supposed to say? I give you permission to rid Lady Massa. You here comes Donnis, Mister Wakanda, buckle up. We recognize our lineage as a generational trust as inheritance, and the real dilemma posed by reparations is just that, a dilemma of inheritance. Yep, that's what's happening in DC.

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York's Municipal slave Market. There's a sign here areably less than two feet across and just over one foot high. It is drawing on it and has the green New York Parks emblement. It says on Wall Street between Pearl and Water Streets, a market that auction enslaved people of African ancestry was established by a common Council law on November thirtieth, seventeen eleven. This is the New York's Municipal

slave market sign. But you can look up from this site and see Trinity Church, and you can see the New York Stock Exchange and the foundation of it all. The American slavery gets a two by two plaque. No, I've been here before, but this is the first time I'm seeing this, so I'm a little pissed off. I don't know why it's not more prominent. I don't know why it's just a sign. Look, there's a big old

statue towards Washington over there. Big buildings that we talked about with stones look like it should be here, and this looked like it it could be knocked over by a hard wind. How does it make you feel thinking about all this, You're visibly upset, You're shaking. I'm much shaking. I'm upset. I mean, I really wish I could rip that sucker out. It's not even worth it being there. And then also I'm kind of mad because I haven't

been here before. I didn't see it. There are people walking through, their immigrants and got their children, they've got off their families. They should be able to see it. There should be the stain of it in New Yorkers should have to live with it, they should have to learn about it, they should be confronted with it. I want them to really acknowledge slavery. I want them to give us justice. Black people want justice. We deserve it.

We should have it by any means necessary. And part of that justice is that you should not be able to come and walk by a slave market marker and not be moved by it, or at least have to reckon with it or see it. That was so brutal. Being there with you, Erica, someone who I care about, and seeing the vistal reaction, the pain that it caused you to be there, it left me feeling kind of helpless.

And I know that if i'd been alone, If I had been there by myself, I would have find some way to push myself away from it and the absurdity of it and just kind of intellectualize it. Where being there with you forced me to own it a bit. But that's my problem, not yours. It is your problem and black people's burden to bear. I mean, we gave you money and pay the big on your loan. Who needs bootstraps when they've got friends like you, Whitney. That's what I mean earlier when I said your truth is

filled with a lot of lies. These realities they show up for me every day. Meanwhile, you're underwater thinking your real estate has value. What I'm thinking about is solutions, And I really believe the only way towards a true reconciliation is to create a funded reparations program. And white Americans do you have to decide if they want to rise with Black Americans or fall with them. I see you,

Whitney down. You're doing something. I mean, you're here, you're working on it, you're talking about it, But don't expect the parade or props or showing up to clean up the mess you've made. Yeah, it is a big mess and Erica. You've told me in the past that you feel like James Baldwin or taught in the Hasse Coats has said that you don't really believe, you don't really have faith that white people of the ability to change.

And I totally understand that if I were black, I imagine I would feel the exact same way, and especially looking at the events the last you know, a few weeks and we've had three or four thousand white people storming the Capitol and it looks horrible. Those images were just like atrocious. But at the same time, we've also had millions of white people in the street marching alongside black and brown people protesting police violence. So that does

make me a little optimistic. I hope it doesn't sound corny that I do believe we can change, right, Maybe I feel like I kind of have to believe we can change. Like in Evanston, Illinois, things are changing. I've known his reparation Robin and rolls of parks. Now, so that's different. How about that she's a rock star. Four hundred years after the first enslaved Africans got off the boat, Alderman Robin Ruth Simmons passes the first Reparations bill in a man Erica, oh Man, talk about the long arc.

You got to keep an eye on her. We will, but I want to show you something first. So Erica, tell me what do you see here? What were you walking up to? Oh, we're Duanne in Elk Street and it says African burial ground way. So they're building a federal building at two hundred fifty six million dollar building. And when they broke ground on if they discovered this burial ground, what does this say here? Changing landscape obscures the past. The African burial ground was labeled Negroes Burial

Ground on the seventeen fifty five map at right. Colonial New York laws banned African funerals and officially consecrated graveyards, prohibited gatherings of large numbers of enslaved Africans, and decreed that funerals had to be held during daylight. Nonetheless, Africans and their descendants held burial ceremonies in amentary outside the city wall, near a ravine. As New York City expanded northeast.

The burial ground was closed in seventeen ninety four and eventually divided into lots for sale the land was filled in and buildings were constructed on top. For almost two centuries, New York City's growth obscured the graves, and the African burial ground was nearly forgotten. So we tried to put a Starbucks on it. It's a metaphor, right, The foundation is African Americans. Americans built on top of it. They turned their barrel ground into real estate. But that foundation

wasn't paid for. It was paid for in blood, guts and suffering. I think fifty of the people buried here were children. So we talk about reparations for work and value created, but what about reparations for all the people that were destroyed by it? At fifty percent of it as children, the people who actually never had a life. So this is showing the levels of different centuries and what they built on top of those coffins. It's a diagram. We're a ground level, right, Yeah, We're a ground level.

So on top there's three different centuries. In the lowest, righty year at least is the seventeen hundreds. People were buried in individual coffins up to three deep. But that looks exactly like the slave ship diagrams coming across. That's interesting from Africa. So they went out like they came in. That's a cold, cold thought. Let's walk up to the next marker. This one is says Africans in early New York before the American Revolution, New York had more enslaved Africans.

It's most valuable commodity than any other colony in the North. You're leaving out the most important thing here. It's not that these people were just here, they say, and they give an account of their work. Women sewed, cooked, harvest, didn't cared for owners, children, labors tore up cobblestone streets, dug trenches, laid and joined the pipe sections, and filled in the trenches. Pay one dollar a day in slave

workers wages went to their owners. That's real. Yeah. And you know, one of the reasons why the slave market was established down on Wall Street was because there were so many enslaved Africans here and the actual way the labor pool was structured wasn't really structure. There to sending people out in the street to earn money, and they wanted to sort of like codify into something more structure.

By the way, this whole thing is about white fear. Yeah, you should be fucking afraid because if we ever get what we deserve and if we ever start to balance those books, there ain't no stopping us. And it's over. It's not just the rebrowning of America, it's the black nation coming into its own. So yeah, they try to bury us too black, too strong. From seventeen ninety four and estimated fifteen thousand enslaved in Free Africans were laid to rest in the African Fifteen thousand bodies are here.

Seven burial mounds mark the locations of the re internments. Oh here, they are over here, So this is it. Look at the mounds here? Oh my god, Now to me, this is significant. My god, look at that. What does it make you feel to stand here and look at this? Well, I'm very proud. I'm glad to see them. And I don't know I gained comfort from them being here. I'd come out here and eat my lunch with them. What do you think? It's funny because you know, you look

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these hidden gems because she's agree in the family. Oh man, it's a shame because no matter how hard she worked with me, it wasn't enough, and she won't live to see a new world that's created through the application of reparations. So like the Africans, underneath those buildings, it's gonna be beyond her flesh and bone. But that means it's fertile ground. It's very furtive. My mother's in it, it's blessed and highly favored. Well, really strikes me about it, Eric, because

that it's called the African burial ground. But it's not just African history. It's white history too, and it's history that's layered across generations. And it's not just about what happened before it happened hundreds of years ago. You can also see in how it's impacted what's happening today and how you and I how our own families are living within the legacy of slavery. Yeah, no, I get it. I mean My brother's a Philly copp and my sister is a social worker, and they work within the racist

system that we're talking about every day. You know, that's how they make their living. The weird part is if systematic reformation is needed, and reparations is part of the cure, we have to get ready because there's a whole lot of black folks that are baked into the current architecture and they ain't gonna get out. So, I mean, it's a rough ride. It would disrupt everything. So we got to be careful what we wish for first, to do no arm Maybe we need to step out of our

current reality for a moment. Revend Barber says that we're in the third week instruction. So Whitney, this is our opportunity to map out a blueprint, to chart a new destiny, to decide who our builders are, our architects, our machinists. You would probably need a few arsonists. We're gonna have to tear some things down along the way. But first we need vision imagination. You mean a reimagination that's a new change. Oh, it's amazing what a good composition can

be to carry us away. Okay, I'm ready. I think, Well, let's be real, you always feel your best at the beginning of the marathon. I hope, I'm ready. Yeah, I hope. I bought a black Power bar this season. On reparations the big payback. I didn't have a lot of skills. I was a bad student. That was kind of this historic Charlie got thrown out of schools. I was always getting too fights. So that's why you got into race work, because you were a mediocre white man anywhere anywhere, exactly

what you're saying. I failed everywhere else, So race took me in it. I made a career out of it because that's what we need in this business. We need to rejects awesome. Look, we have to define reparations. Some people want to define reparations as a give me a check. That's not reparations. They treat us like animals more or less than like human beings. And we are the ones who lost our lives building this country and got paid not one dime for it. But everybody else is reaping

the benefits. That's ople money. My life revolves primarily around my discovery that my ancestors were the largest slave trading family US history. When I looked at you, Wikipedia, my god brother, you're not playing you like the John Lewis of the Aristocrats the inspiration for me and Reparations. I know that the injustice and the discrimination in the racism is a shared problem, but which has to be confronted

if we're gonna move on successfully together. My life wouldn't have been any different if I was black, because it's the core of who you are. Everyone has a burden, it's how you handle the burden, and so I truly don't feel that there was a privilege. Absolutely not. Um. What happened was we were standing there and suddenly the window shatters. The policeman told me that he was trying to kill some blackbirds, meaning my children who were standing

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