Wait that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club, yeaps the world no dangerous want to show to Breakfast Club. Charlemagne and God Angelie ye Envy had to step out, but we got a special guest in the building. Man. His album came out in June. It's called More Black Superheroes, West Side Bookies. I finally here, man, I've been wanting to come here forever. What it's also a scary place? Why is everybody scared of you? But no reason? But it feels like you got better. I feel like appreciate.
I appreciate that. I'm glad I came during these times. Young. How old you? I just turned thirty three? Oh okay, we got the whole thirteen year old, so I really feel seventy. I ain't gonna lie, so damn you gotta be. I got a fourteen You got a teenager. It's the most irritating age in the world. Girl a boy? Your boy? Oh see, I got a little girl. I think girls are worse when now that seems scary. Boys are just
irritating because it's like a reflection on myself. So it's like I'll be wanting to fire him up and he taller to me right now too, So I gotta like work out a little bit. He taller in you what his mom must be tall? No, I don't know how he ended up taller than me. He just only like this much tall to me right now. Ok. He's still growing exactly, and he's a basketball player. So you aren't you smelling like the finest of weed? I talked a lot of weed. That's what they were saying on the
airport when I got there too. That and that type of stuff irritate me. When you're just walking back, somebody smell like weed? Did you fly? You bought your own in Yeah? Okay, get on the plane. Yeah, that's because CALLI. And it's legal in New York, so that makes sense. You feel me brought me a little ounce. Well, you don't like New York weed? You just it's too expensive. Y'all irritate me with y'all weed because we don't have the dispensaries and access I think yet, all right, I
respect it. I don't gotta deal with that. You know, they got a mad Jersey. Jersey got the dispensonies. If you got a medicinal card, Callie, they've been doing that. Yeah, I don't need a card I just called a homie. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Now, let's since you do have a sad let's talk about more black superheroes. The album that you have out, um, you know, it came out a couple of months ago, right going to Summer Julie two months ago. It was fast. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah,
So how is the process making this album? I know you had said previously that you went to therapy for like three years and it made it a little difficult to write at certain points. Yeah, it was tough, um, just because the accountability factor that came with therapy. Um, usually because I had just got out of relationship. It was like my first like healthy relationship. I feel like
I was with your like three years. All my other relationships I feel like was based off trauma bonding, but this was like my first time I had like a healthy relationship. It felt like. So when I lost her, I was still happy because I was like, I'm going to make a fire album because like I can make a heart I can make a heartbreak album. You know what I'm saying. Then I'm in therapy and my therapist making me address stuff and make me hold myself accountable,
so I couldn't. I feel like I couldn't approach music the same. It was hard to make certain songs, and yeah, it took a while to even figure out what I wanted to talk about. Now, when you talk about your previous relationships before that, what do you mean by trauma bonding? Like what was like just my baby, my baby, mama. Um. I think we were just too hurt people that this
was fighting just so we can make up. The making up part was the best part for me, because like it's makeup sex, you know what I'm saying, it's passion. Some people felt like fighting me you really care too, like when you guys argue passionately. And I've had people tell me like, if you didn't feel like you want to kill the person that you're Yeah, and that's I
hear that a lot in my community too. And I get it though, because you know, haydon Love, they kind of live in the same house, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be in that vibe no more because trauma bonding is so real, and we have trauma bonds, not even just with the opposite sex. Growing up in the hood, you start hustling, or you in a gang or whatever. Sometimes a lot of that is trauma bonding to you all bonding over
the wrong trauma bond with the homies. Yes, that's crazy. I never thought about that right now, spokes, we didn't go do a drive ba. The most trauma bonding is, I guess it's with my homies. So yeah. On L L SAMG too, Man, you say one of the greatest lines I've ever heard in reference to folks trying to heal what You don't say it, but the woman on the song says it. She said that they ain't know where you're still a bitch ass nigga and you being therapy. Yo.
I was just thinking about that yesterday. Um, how like when I mess up now, I feel like it's heavier to the people around me because they just expect me to be perfect because I've been I've been bragging about therapy. They're like, oh, Nigga, your therapy not working for him, And I'm just like, growing is for everything. And that's the frustrating part because sometimes my growing gets staggnant. Sometimes I take leaps forward, sometimes I backslide, and that's all
the process of it. At least, I just think Therapyti's made me more aware of it. She gave me the tools. My therapist gave me the tools. But it's still a once a week thing. I don't I can't afford therapy every day, so you know what I'm saying, I go once a week too. And that's the beauty of therapy as well, right. It teaches you don't have to be perfect. Exactly what made you decide to go? I was crying over my ex um, I thought I just needed therapy. Also,
shout out to my management company, Love Renaissance. Um Summer first got therapy. They got therapy for her as like welcome, that's my label made or whatever whatever you want to call it. But um, she got therapy first because she was going through a lightning with the media, you know what I'm saying. So my management got hurt therapists and they thought it would be a good idea if they got all the artists therapists. So what's the of Love Rendissance?
Everybody would be sign they got all the artists therapy. Even they have therapy and we do group therapy. They do group therapy as like the laborhood. Amazing everybody need to sign the first Yeah, you know in the in the nigga world, can I say nigga R yes? And in the nigga world it looked at, it's looked at it's crazy, Like that's the stigma around it, Like what do I need to go talk to somebody I don't know for and when I could just talk to the homies or go smoke or do something like that. So
more trauma exactly. And even some days I still lie to my therapist some days, you know what I'm saying. Some days I like, I'm busy today because you know what I'm saying, it's irritating growing sometimes it's uncomfortable, but I know that's where the girls come. But your first session, she tried to just pull up on me in the studio, like, you know, just sit around and be a homie, which ILL appreciate, but I still like saw through it. I knew what she was doing. So there was a lot
of resistance at first. I don't think we got a breakthrough to like maybe after the first three months, did you pass your therapist to blunt or try to no. After that first time in person, it was all zoom okay, So I couldn't pass through the bunt through the computer. So I don't want to be in that last relationship that had you so upset. Why did you guys break up? Um, it was a lot. I don't think I was a great boyfriend at the time. I don't like like bragging
about the zodiac stuff. But I'm a Virgo and they say we expect perfection out every Yeah, it was like a couple of days ago. I just had a party two nights ago. You think, so sometimes we manipulative. It's crazy because we feel like we're so smart and we try to use it to manipulate people. But um, I think on my last relationship, uh, tourists, Okay, Um exactly. She artists as well, though, And I think my career got so consuming for her. Not that I told told,
like made her be consumed by me. I just think it just happened and she started to resent me and feel like she couldn't be the artist she wanted to be. Um And yeah, so I think we had an argument over the trash and she was like, we're breaking up, and I was like, oh, she being checked out, she being wanted to get away, you know what I'm saying. So I respect it. She dated one of the homies now and it's irritating, but wow, tough seeing that around the city. But that's still your homie. Though now I
ain't talked to him. He act like I did something wrong to him, but to him, and you got all these thoughts in your head. You're probably you've probably been messing around exactly and that's the tough part. But oh my god, that's awful, except you're not making this better. I'm sorry. Setting was not in my control is the stuff I'm learning to deal with because that's always hard. I feel like I always got to control the situation.
So what accountability did you take because I know you said it's about accountability too, Um, just not speaking up on stuff I want it just like instead of me just holding so much stuff in and like putting so much pressure on her, I could have just spoke on it. We could have got through it. Um. And I think supporting her more and like I was making this thing like this because I was paying for stuff, I was being a great boyfriend, like, and I know it was
more than that. I needed to support her and the stuff she cared about and really paid attention, pay attention to the details, and I don't think I was doing that. So it's the song Nachalt about that relationship where you just act like I'm not calling you you nachalt. It's really more so about me moving around acting like a fucking niggeting being confused on why she treated me like a fuck nigga. You know what I'm saying. It's just like me bragging about how I'm going to take her piece,
and like why are you not answering the phone? Or just me being irritated by girls who posts on Instagram and don't text me back because I literally hate that. But now you are being a thought for your birthday? What is being a thought to you? I thought I could be Bill belling me like how to be a player and like invite all my show these to one place, and it just didn't not work out. And I thought I was being so clean. It's not like I was hugging up on anybody. But I guess girls just could
read through stuff. Yeah, especially if they think they're dating you, and then and you get invited, you think you the one like invited me to his birthday party, so it's special. And that's the thing I'm even though I'll be honest with these girls. I think if I still move a certain way, I still think I'm the bad person because I'll be telling them I'm not ready to be in
a relationship. But me knowing that they're not really understanding what I'm saying, and still choosing to move forward with them, I'm still in the wrong. So I invited all them there, and then the next day I got text like you're too old to be moving like this, Like they're right back to the therapy stuff, Like therapy is not doing nothing for you. You look lame. I'm losing all the spec for you. It ain't a way. You're still a
bit chass nicky. We get it. Hey, question, you talked about your first breakthrough in therapy, right, do you shool like sharing what that was? I'll tell you if you tell me. Yeah, it was about my mom. It was either about my mom or my dad. I know. Lately, I realized I got a lot of frustration towards my mom just because I feel like she never gave me a space to be emotional. Your mom, while I hear that with dad's a lot. I feel like, yeah, my
dad wasn't a round. I think my mom had just raised me to be tough because she didn't want me to go out in the world and get punk, you know what I'm saying, which I get, but I think it should have been a balance because now when I get older and somebody tell me they loved me or want to have emotional conversations, I shut down. It's like weird to me. I don't like when people get to touchy philly, I don't like when people give me compliments all.
It all makes me glitch out. And I spoke about it in an interview before I talked to my mom about it, and then she saw it and you know, she got frustrated. But I'm still glad I did it because then we had the conversation about it after. But that breakthrough happened me understanding, like, oh, I moved these ways in these relationships because this relationship in my past with my mom. So but did she say, did that change things for you guys? Um? She said sorry and
that we're gonna work on it. Um, But it's still hard. My brains so conditioned now, and I'm still trying to work on that. Like I said, I'm aware of it, but that don't necessarily mean the change gonna happen immediately. So yeah, my first breakthrough was realizing that I had daddy issues, you know what I mean. And you addressed that on Anthony but in Wars and how difficult was it to confront that topic? Ah? Man, that one is tough, and that one is because I've been saying it don't
bother me forever. I've been like my daddy, my daddy ain't been in my life. What I got this far without him? I don't need them. But then I'm like, oh, it's really affecting me, Like it's a my abandonment issues and everything behind it. It's like, I gotta have a conversation with my dad now, I gotta figure out how to let this hate go that I didn't even know I had, like this unaddressed trauma, so irritating. So what
was easier writing that song? I actually, I mean, I guess you never had to convert with so writing the song was easier. And It's like I've liked any in the past years I've reached out. I'd be like saying yo, but then when he say all right, can you call me? I just shut down and we don't end up having a conversation because it's just like I can never see
myself walking out of my son's life. And I know that's why overcompen saying, now with my kid and I irritate him, I'll be hugging on him, loving him so much because my daddy never gave me none of that, and I just don't understand. It never makes sense to me. He blamed my mama and say, like, your mama made it hard. I tried to come around, but it's just like my baby mama could not stop me from seeing
my kid. Yeah, I will say, you know a lot of the hate that I started to have for my dad after therapy once I had a conversation with him and realized he was just a man dealing with his own shit. Like he went the therapy two or three times a week, he was on tending to twelve different medications. He tried to commit suicide. When I heard that human in a real way for me, So I started giving
them grace. Grace. That's what my therapist was saying about my mom when I was explaining my frustrations about her, and she was like, do you understand how hard it is to be a single black mom, Like because I was mad, like I feel like my mama didn't chase her dreams and like she taught me how to settle.
But then my therapist was like, that's a win right there, her being able to raise you, and you need to look at how great that was, and I downplayed that, and like my mom is a survivor and she's strong as hell. So yeah, I think we forget that our parents had lives before exactly exactly, and it goes so far back, like the way my mom moving relationships come from my grandma. Then it's like, you know, it's just a cycle, and we the first generation that has the
luxury of actually healing. They had to. They were scratching and surviving, you know what I mean. That's why I said this is the hell generation. I see all my friends it is like great dads now they all in their kids life. Therapy is a conversation whether people like this is using it to look cool. I don't even care, just because like the message out there. Now you know
what I'm saying. And sometimes you have to think you wouldn't even be who you are where you are if it wasn't for how you raised and the way that things happen. Yeah, that's true. I honestly, I'm still scared to heal all the way because as a rapper, I think it's like weak. You know what I'm saying. I don't think I could thrive as a rapper being healed all the way. And I'm scared of that. I don't know.
I'm not saying I'm right, but it's just like, you know, the world glorified ignorance, and it's just like you gotta play the game and feel like sometimes and anyone ever heal all the way and you know you're right. Healing is a constant journey. It's not a destination. You're right, But it's just like positive me being like I'm scared to just become a positive nigga. But you know what I'm saying, Look how the world started demonizing Chance for
like being happy and it's like, boy, he can't be happy. Yeah, we had that conversation last time Chance was him. I'm like, damn, a man can't love his wife like they hating on Chance because he actually loves his wife. In the meantime, Big Sulu bomped in Parru. You know what I'm saying. I saw you told rolling stone that you you probably like five percent healed. Yeah, we're talking about your growth. Elaborate now her saying it's never gonna be I'm never
gonna be healed. I don't think I'm no person. I think I'm just learning more as I grow. As I grow, So I saw that is. I'm just saying, like I'm so it make it hard because I'm aware of so much stuff now, but i still dive into so much ignorance. Shit Like I wake up in the morning, I turn on Whack one hunting clubhouse argument videos and start my day and then I'll be having girls spending night and they're like, why are you waking up on this type of time? And I don't, like, I don't know, I'm
like addicted to like this nonsense in this chaos. We'll just finding the balance. Wake up in the morning, you know what I mean. Say you're pressed, you know, I go to my affirmation books. I got like three affirmation books I read and I don't go to the internet until I get here six or six in the morning. So it's just like it's nothing wrong with doing it,
just don't you know, don't let that start you day. Yeah, meditation actually been helping me because I do it a lot of anxiety, Like every time I got to post on Instagram or something like that, it's hard. It's just hard to turn my brain off. And I know meditation is supposed to be about like accepting the thoughts for what it is and letting them pass and staying present, but I'll be overthinking everything. I'm like, nigga, what I'm gonna do tomorrow? Like why are they doing me like
this two weeks ago? And it's just like it's hard. But I'm not human. I know, man, it's human. That's why I love that line. It ain't know where you still a bit you're asking therapy, that's not about you. That's valid. I almost want to write that down and just look at it a lot, like wow, because that's a very valid line. I'm glad you appreciate it, man, well being that this is your first time here and we haven't had a chance to speak to you before.
Let's talk a little bit about your journey and even like I know you signed to Endoscope and then how did you an eminem link up? That was a random and shit, I don't know, all right, So yeah, I started singing off in church I'm just fast forward. I was singing in church and Compton Um realized, I don't know what you're singing in church, And I got to talk about thirty years of life. You know what I'm saying. I was my mama sent me to the church and Compton I was getting in trouble. She sent me with
her homegirl to go to church. She didn't want to come with me. Call it the buyer instead of the choir. No, that's funny as hell. Uh. If a nigga did that, I'll be so mad. But yeah, I was going gospel raps at first. Then it was these little kids. I was going to the church who was game members already, and I thought there was the coolest niggas in the world. So I became a follower. Just start following him. After church, gospel raps wasn't the thing. No more, started doing regular raps.
They started rapping around the city. Got my baby mom and pregnant. At nineteen, went to Lombe City College, finessing four a loan, bought studio equipment, was recording in my mama room for about four years. This white man hit me on Twitter. In the hood, we think any white person hit us. We made it. Well, that's what I thought at the time. He became my manager. At the time, he came from an ed M background. He was working
with like Scrilics. Interscope ended up calling me, um wow, yeah yeah, but yeah, I dropped a song called oh My. Interscope ended up calling me. I leveraged them, like, you know, he's supposed to do all the labels, but I was gonna end up going back to Interscope anyway. Signed with them. Then they put me on the shelf because my manager at the time, me and him had hit the ceiling and they just wasn't knowing my manager. It was so scanless.
But then LVRN came around. They had got an imprint at Interscope, and my A and R at the time was like, hey man, I got this this company, I think you should work with um they black and I think y'all y'all could vibe together. At the same time, like two weeks before that, he had caught me and say, hey, man, I don't know how Paul Rosenberg found your music, but he fucking with you when he want to fly you
to Detroit. So at the same time I got new management and Eminem took over my contract in like out of nowhere. It's not like I don't know how you found me for real, for real, They said the Rihanna post maybe was the thing, because Rihanna did post me like one of them years. But were you hesitant as far as shady or where you like immediately because you
know sometimes people have an issue signing to another artist. No, I wasn't hesitant because I was already on the shelf, you know what I'm saying, And I was just trying to change my situation. I was thirsty also, and it's not like I was signing in a new deal. He just took over my in my original contract. So yeah, so what a eminem say when you got there? What's crazy? He don't really talk a lot. I think we both
deal with social anxiety. I'm not even sure I supposed to say that, but yeah, he just he what was dope? He told me the songs he liked was like my album cuts, and he was explaining me those lyrics, and then that's what made me, That's what made me trust a judgment because he wasn't just talking to me about the viral song. So we had that conversation. I went home and then he just gave me the freedom to create.
So that's why I appreciate them, because he gave me advice when I needed, but he don't like overset my creative process. Do you think about making songs that are going to be more mainstream? Do you plant or do you just say I just make what I feel like making. I think this time around, I made a more conscious effort to at least try to touch like faster bpms.
I think I gets so comfortable making slow heartbreak music, and I think that becomes selfish to my team because like Nigga, we're not getting no bag off these slow songs, you know what I'm saying. So I think it's about pushing myself, but also not like sacrifice in my integrity, you know what I'm saying, Because I want to be a team player. I want to make a hit. It's not like I'm not in it to make great songs. So, yeah, there's a lot you just talked about that that I'm lying.
There's only one thing I want to because it's so fantastic. Most people become gang in the in the street. You became gang in the church, Yeah, exactly, a crazy thing. Become gang in the churches. I'm sitting there thinking if the gang members were coming to church, they clearly was searching for something else. No, it wasn't. We was going because all our parents made And that's the thing, and
that's the thing in La. Gangs in churches tied so like close together, like we always at church growing up. Every hood had a church they went to, you know, So yeah, I was really only going for the girls and then see the homies friend of hood. So when you got jumped in, did you like asked for God? Like, oh, God just hurts. I ain't even gonna lie. It was one of them things where I just was over there since I was thirteen, and they just like accepted me.
I probably fought my cousin like once he was like, are you friend the hood? Now? Niggas inn gent me? And I had to deal with that. I had to deal with And that's what I'm saying. It's like it's people from my neighborhood who had to like grow who actually was born there and had to and had no choice but to be from there. I walked my happy ass over there and I didn't have to. And that's like a message I'd be telling my kid I went to my kid phone one time and he was saying
cud and his friends. And I should have broke my heart because like I had never prepared him before that type of conversation. Before that, I just tried to hide the reason I started gang banging, forgetting that I'm a rapper. He's still gonna see any throwing on my hood and these songs. And I should have been had this conversation with him because like, yeah, and so he's silver. He ain't went to no struggle. He don't have no reason to gang bang. But that's just because the world found
him before I had the conversation with him. And you know, it's tempting in La. Everybody wants to gang bang in La because it looked cool, you know what I'm saying. So that conversation broke my heart. Especially he wanted to be a crip and I'm a whole blood, you know what I'm saying. So said, boy, you want to be a Why does he want to be a crip? I don't know, man, snoop. Maybe I don't know who knows. Man being in the gang? Is that what you consider that?
A generational curse? Dang it is um I wanted to stop. I know, gang banging started with like a sense of us protecting our community, policing it from like the police or outside entities and stuff like that. But now we're just poison it. I'm not gonna lie like, but it is a sense of brotherhood, a sense of community that we don't got. But at the end of the day, we can't act like it's a good thing, you know
what I'm saying, So it is accurse to me. What do you think when you see people like in New York emulating it or in other cities where that's not really the culture up. Yeah, that just show you the power of la gangbanging and that should be tripping me out too when I go other places and see it too. But they still real ones. It's not like they punks. You go out here and they still like really with the ship and they still like living by that code.
But I just think, yeah, the ricos is crazy, that's all. I'm not saying my hood on no more songs. I'm cool. What do you think about that about them using lyrics against artists, we're just talking about that. I think it's unfortunate. I think we gotta be mindful though, because like I think black I would tell you them the homie earlier. I think black people got this thing. We feel like if other black people are not on the side of crime, then they punks. Like we'll be mad at that mayor
in Atlanta or whatever. She is a governor, but because she's doing her job. But it's just like this, because she's standing on the opposite side of you, don't mean she's wrong, because I get it, and y'all need to be more mindful of stuff. Y'all saying I get what y'all doing in these streets. But well, I said on the song, you know what I'm saying, I agree with you. And I realized years ago that most people's perception of real are the definition and real is usually coming to
do it soon. And it's crazy. And it's like that is that we conditioned by the street code, even like people that have got nothing to do with the street be conditioned by it. So to describe the title more Black Superheroes, because you're not talking about comic books. No, I'm not not gonna make a book, um, but this it's a layered title for me. It's about um addressing
the fact that I'm a survivor. I think as black men, we go outside in the world and we deal with so much stuff and we just take it to the chin because we just take it as a norm. And I wanted to take this moment to give myself credit that I made it through these situations that it's not normal the stuff we go through. Also, it's about me addressing all the sides of myself, Like I got a vulnerable side, I got an emotional side, I got all these different sides that I feel like combined to make
the greatest version of myself. And like the superhero part, that's like being an extra. But I just wanted to give myself the greatest form of credit by calling myself a superhero. And also to show my kid, you know what I'm saying, that you could a superhero he could touch, not one that's just on TV. Because really for my kid too, so does just saying realize how famous you are. Yeah, but he still treat me like the corny dad. His
friends treat me more famous than he do. I don't know if he's just trying to hide it and not made me feel cool, But I'm just dad to him, you know what I'm saying. But every time we go somewhere, people taking pictures and he get irritated. And so there's that, but now here a little TikTok famous kids. So we go out and he got a little TikTok. People saying, oh, that's DJ from TikTok, And I think that's it weird because his TikTok is him doing a little freaky faces
like singing videos. You know, litt light skin faces kids be doing so now. In the song Stuck, you talk about how you've been through hell and you can't hide it. So when you are as open about these issues like you were on this project, does it make it harder or easier to create? Um, it's easy to create. It's hard to be outside in the world. I think I'd be so drawn drained emotionally from being in the studio
and being vulnerable. It's hard to be vulnerable vulnerable in person, and that's a hard part when people want to have deep conversations with me in person and I start shutting down and I'm like, I did this in the studio. Don't mean I could do this really all the time in person. But they're creating. Part is that's my therapy because I'll be so like confined when I'm not in the studio. It's finally my release, so it's not really
hard to create at all. Ever, and people who probably feel like they can relate to you, you know what I mean, it's like, Oh, he's dealing with the same things and just go listen to the song. I mean, we got to talk about it all the time. When I see you how to value to feedback from your team. I saw you had said that when you were making this album. They were like, Okay, this is starting to sound too much alike the songs that you're doing. You
gotta switch it up. Is that something that you would like? People get very defensive about their own music, So how is that for you? I'm super sensitive about my art, but I'm not sensitive to the people. I trust my producers. I'm with them every day, so I trust they good. But they also with me every day, so I know we all could get complacent with each other. But my manager Justice, he the most evil nigge in the world.
He tell me when stuff bad, he tell me when it sucked, and I appreciate them so much for that because it always pushed me. Sometimes I gotta be like nigga you from Atlanta. You just got a different ear than me. But you know a lot of times he right, and I gotta push myself so I don't me tripping. It's when other people who I feel like don't really understand it or understand the culture it got stuff to say, That's when I get irritated. But it is what it is,
white people. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Do you communicate with eminem about your music? Like do you send them stuff like YO with you? Yeah? I tell him and he always got He always tell me what he thinks I should do, and then I've taken into consideration. Sometimes I listen. Sometimes I don't. Do you ever be like m you let you ever let Dre hear my ship? You know, just nah, I'll mean, you know, I'll be so confused because I've never met Dre a day of
my life. Yeah, Like, so my the ego and me be like nigga, you don't see me out here making these moves. But that's entitled it. I know. You know what I'm saying. It happened when it happened, if it's supposed to happen. But it's still a thing though. You from the West Coast, you see right next to him, like Hendrick from the hood, Like, what's going on, man,
So what's your relationship like with Kendrick? You know, have ya because you know, I'm thinking like y'all from the same place with these last albums Miss Morales and the Big Stuff in Black Superhero, y'all kind of on the same wave length met at first, like I'm like, damn, this nigga bigger than me. He didn't took my message.
But also I want to say, if I really care about the message, like I spoke on with the homies, if I really care about the message, I should appreciate Kendrick getting in out there because if not, if I'm just trying to hold it it's my message, then I don't really care. But um, for one, that's my favorite rapper. Yeah, he from my neighborhood, and I just appreciate the doors he opened just about being himself. I never expect Kindrick
to do nothing for me. He didn't gave me opportunities because just being letting me come around to see certain stuff, being in the studio with him. Um so yeah, yeah not. He not like my best friend. It's like somebody from my neighborhood who's accessible to everybody from my neighborhood. And you wrote on his last album. Then you write for Summer Walker when she but that's the gang stuff. He I don't even think he knew till after. That's just because you know what I'm saying. Elvr In gave me
that play Summer My Dogs. So when they came to you and was like, hey, we need you to write a verse for Kindrick's album, but it's for Summer, I was like, you like a word? Okay. I thought you'd been like what let me. You're happy to do it, but damn you know you might want to be another albums one hundred percent. I want to be on an album. I was just grateful for the opportunity. You know what
I'm saying. It's like that again. I don't I don't be feeling no sense of entitled me and I'll just be happy like when niggas give me a chance, because I'll be so condition that nobody's gonna look out for me. I don't trust nobody anyway, So and somebody actually give me a chance, I'm like, Oh, it's good humans in the world. And so I was just happy about the opportunity. Did your mom think that you were going to make it back then when you were doing gospel wrap and
getting started with everything. Was she real supportive? My mom had always been supportive of whatever I wanted to do. Sometimes I wish she would have pushed me more when I was younger, But ever since I figured out what I wanted to do in music and I had to stay at home with her, and I knew she need to help with rent, but she just let me record. She always told me I was gonna make it, and she'd be so proud of me all the time and always calling me like, I'm so proud of you baby,
and then yeah, do you think God? Often? Dang, not as much as I should, or I'd be so I haven't learned how to be present for real. I'd be so focused on where I want to be and where I gotta get to her I feel like I'm supposed to be. It'd be hard. And sometimes I feel like I only talk to God when I'm going through stuff, and I need to get better at talking to Him in my good times. Yeah, you gotta just say it randomly, like right now, thank you Jesus, Thank you Jesus. Bryce.
I'm also in like church also, thank you guy. Um. But I'm also sometimes i'd be in spiritual limbo because like church messed me up as far as the politics behind it and as far as like it didn't feel like a spiritual place anymore. And then I don't know if I want to be Christian or Muslim. You know what I'm saying. It's a real thing. I need to do my research. But right now I am in spiritual limbo. I know I believe in a higher power. I believe
spiritual it is. That's the right term, religious limbo, because my spirit isn't. I'm in tune. But yeah, I really need to work on it too. Do you go to church at Allston? No, I don't go to church anymore. Can you call it church? Can you say birch? I'm just trying to. I don't know, I'm just trying to. I'm not the homies. It was funny about me. I don't like cold Switch until I get around the homies friend of hood. Then I started replacing all the letters.
I turned into super blood. But when I be out, I don't do that shit, and I don't be I don't know how they do it so good. They can replace any letter or like off top. Yeah, I gotta be I got to think about that ship before and some of it is blasphemths like you cannot say Jesus Bryce the homies will though no yea they wow. Well say earlier when you said either thinking about where you feel like you should be or where you want to where it's supposed to be, or where you want to be,
where is that the biggest rapper in the world? Um So that's I know, comparison is like a thief of joy, but it's hard, you know what I'm saying. I'm in a music industry, so I know it's about the value is based off accolades and like streams and stuff like that. So yeah, when I see Dot the biggest rapper being from my neighborhood, It's like, Okay, I want to be that plus more. When I'm signing the Eminem, I don't just want to be somebody signing Eminem. I want to
be bigger than Eminem. You know what I'm saying. It's I'm competitive still at the end of the day. So the competitive nature in me sometimes stops me from being present, you know what I'm saying, even though I'm grateful, Like I know It's a lot of people would die to be in my position. And I know I got a super fan base that I should that I'm grateful for. But it's hard, you know what I'm saying. You know, it was a great about artists like yourself and Kindrick.
I feel like y'all shattering all stereotypes of what a West Coast artist is supposed to be, you know, because back in my day, it was the low riders and the khaki pants and then Converse and all of that kind of stuff. Like do you think about stuff like that? Oh? Yeah, you know something. I used to get frustrated because it felt like I had to get the love outside of LA first, before LA gaming I love just because I wasn't making traditional LA music, and then they had to
catch on like, oh we can fuck with this. He represents us in a good way and I love I love my home. But that's just reality. It's hard because now we got like it's like I can't explain the time when with our music in LA but it's just not what I make, you know what I'm saying. So I get it. On the song stuff you talk about how much you do love your hood and going back, but sometimes people will tell you it's hard because people are jealous. Things could be dangerous when you go back.
What's that balanced like for you? I did with survivor's guilt all the time. I don't. I go to my neighborhood when I don't even have to, and then I forced myself into stuff I don't have to, like conversations I shouldn't have no part dealing with. And that's just because sometimes I feel like I'm reaping the benefits a gang banging when I don't have to deal with the kinds of it. I could go home. Why they gotta still live in the hood when I know the industry like,
oh here blood, let's give him more streams. That's how I feel, you know what I'm saying. I know sometimes when I put on the red band and I get more clicks, and so that makes me feel guilty because like, yeah, I don't have to do that, you know what I'm saying. So survivor's guilt is a real thing. And I love my neighborhood, but I know I can't take them everywhere. It's like it's a hundred of them, one hundreds of them,
you know what I'm saying. So it's also like you being inspired by Kendrick and that could push you, and then there's kids looking at you that are inspired by seeing you make it. And I also feel like sometimes when you make it and you're able to financially help other people, that's a benefit too. Yeah, the financial part is tough though, because like I got a kid, I gotta look out for first. I got people that I'm with every every day that I got to look out for.
And it's just like if I create a culture where I just give everybody money, just like you know, that's when you create a foundation, and maybe it's a scholarship thing that you do, you know annually, certain things that you could do. It's not like you got to help everybody and just give money. A way, but I think I do think there's a way to go about it. Right. My homies usually just be like I gotta give a verse to a lot of the homie and that part
so hard to say. No, that's the tough part, because they like, you got this platform, why you're not doing this for me? But they understand how draining that is and also how I got to think of my brand if I like saturated too much about giving so many verses, it don't hold the same weight. So sometimes they don't understand that, and that's when I feel guilty because it's like then I got to play the game like management said,
I can't. I can't drop this. And time is money too, when people have to respect the fact that you're working all the time and you do have to get compensated and I'm not trapping, like this is how I eat, And sometimes they don't understand that, Like it's all I got, So me just giving your verses like crazy, when you talk about gangbanging, it isn't gag banging, just one aspect of being in the gang. Or you could be in a gang and never have bang, right, Yeah, I'm just
from I'm just a game member. I don't consider myself a game banger because I'm not the one in my hood that's you know on that time I go over there and I'm like either the rapper or I'm trying to tell the homies different stuff about why they don't got to do this. So I never tried to like fight somebody, you know what I'm saying. It's nothing to catch or fade, but yeah, it is different aspects of it.
We got homies like we just look at for advice like the older homies, but we got homies who go go take that trip, who were get in that car and go do what they gotta do. So it is different levels of it, but it's still fall under the same umbrella. Yeah, and it's messed up because when you're on the outside looking in, like looking at a place like you know, La, and you hear people say they're from certain places like Compton, Wi, Twitter, you just automatically
assume they're in again. Yeah, And I did like a survey and like LA lay trying to see if everybody knew I was a blood because I thought I did so good at hiden it in my brain and like finding balance, and I didn't think I ever glorified. And I was like, when you first thinking me, what do you think of? It was like blood? And I was like, what blood? Who came up to? That is how much Greek gangs different from other criminals such as organized crime groups,
motorcycle gangs, ideology groups in priving games? What the hell? Yeah it is different gangs. The police LA is the really the biggest gang. But yeah, yeah that's true. Um I saw you saying an ig caption. I told myself, I'm gonna start celebrating all my sins. Wins we do. But by the way, we do celebrate a lot of our sins. We said, all my wins. So I'm proud of you. Boogie. How much is a positive self self
talk helped you? I was capping on the Instagram post, I don't want to sound because I ain't gonna lie. It's not I said. I was like, I always say I'm gonna do stuff, but the execution is always a hard part. So I haven't really been hyping myself up. I said I'm gonna do even since my album came out. I ain't even sat down and be like, oh, but be proud of yourself because then, like, I'm already back in the studio trying to compete already. Are you doing
a deluxe album? Yeah, but I'm also trying to drop work on a project to drop right after that, So my brain is kind of like all over there. So you don't give you so positive self talk. I haven't. I'm gonna start start. I promise I'm gonna start. That's a way to come back to the anxiety, because you know, the anxiety will tell you that whatever could go wrong will go wrong. Anxiety you have you out here like chicken a little the sky has fallen, so it is
good to give yourself that positive self. My anxiety is crazy. It happens. Trust me, I did with it every day, I tell y'all. And I know I gotta post on Instagram. Why is that sh the comments? If you at people like I opened myself up, it's like I opened up the floodgates. And I also never replied to nobody on Instagram, you like, it's I'm all, it's like an exercise. It's of me having to be the bigger person every time
I post on Instagram. And it's just like I don't want to have to go to that exercise every time. And you really don't tweet either, Nah. They told me to start tweeting worrow. It used to be like a good tweeter. You know what I'm saying. I'm pretty good, I'm pretty funny. But it's just like it's not good for your mental health. Man. It's hard. It's hard, but I ain't know, bitch, I'm about to get back on it because I'm not gonna let y'all punk me up.
Social What about vacations. Do you go on vacation. I've never been on a vacation everever. Nope. I went to my manager birthday last year, the dr, but I ended up stopping arguments between drum and other people. But I said, dr name, I'm so funny. Shout out my boy drum. He's doing an album too. That's my boy, Shelley Shell. That's my brother. The name Shelley. Now he changed the name Shelley Shelley FKA Drum. Still say it's drum on your album it says Shelley FKA Drum. No, it did not.
On title it said just feature Shelly Man. Look, let me see tim push ups ups. Let me see how the West Side they did that? What's up? Let me get to tell out of that ten King King cho one two? Are you doing him right? For five? Six nine ten? I write good money, good money, good money, good money, nicely and you hired to you just I literally hate losing that stuff. So listen, what about a vacation though, I think maybe it's time for that, and you can take your son going. He gonna piss me
off in the first he could stay home. I need a vacation from him. Too, but you should. Yeah. So, but I ain't got no joint I want to bring right now. You never went on vacation with your ex. Nah, that's probably another reason flew around real quickly for Hawaii right there. I know, man, I'll be torn. I'm I was. I'm a like starving artist, bro, I'm you know what I'm saying. Sometimes I feel like I don't got the lecture even on to afford the vacation. You could probably
get a free vacation too on me just finesse it. No, yeah, you definitely couldn't be like we just need to do a post. Yeah. I just start figuring out I could do that. In La it was a bowling alley and I used my name and they let me in and I was like, oh shit, I could finesse my name. You definitely could get a resort to comp that, and they just you know, and yeah, yeah, we definitely could set that up. What made you want to put Soldier Boy?
Can't even lie because you got Soldier actually rapping. I was trying to be funny at first in the studio with the homies, I was like, Yo, this give me Soldier Boy energy. I was just with my producers. Then I text my manager like the idea. I'm like, I know this sound crazy, but what if. Then he told me Soldier Boy price and we paid we got the verse. Wow, bad you give that boy that, Brad, you get it. You know what I'm saying, money talk. Shout out to Big Soldier because he gave me a good verse and
I'm happy for that. Yeah, he's rapping. You got actually rapping. Shout out to Big Soldier bomped and Soldier Boy. All right, Oh y'all claim his bombay man, it's whatever he say that too. That we talked about price because I saw the other day NBA Young Boy Game was talking about well Whack was talking about it and Game was talking about it. But getting charged to do a verse. That's not offensive, right when you know you deserve a certain
price too. Yeah, everybody got to eat. Sometimes it'd be swap, but it only it got to be beneficial. Everybody don't want to do a swap because they ain't going your VERSI of their project. They just want some bread. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I get it. Snoop, I'm sure that that felt like a writer passage in a way.
Right to get Snoop on Did I love Snoop because he's so accessible to all the like good LA artists or even like as long as you like passionate about it, you could find a way to get to Snoop And I d M him and he gave me two verses like in two days and I appreciate Big Snoop and he got on your wave with this album. He's talking about meditation and everything. Yeah, Big Snoop side of Tall windows down, window rolled down, Yep, I don't even know the name of the Windows down smokes too much weed.
Do you respond as your fans when they hit you up, because I'm sure you've influenced a lot of them because you've been so open about everything you've gone through and therapy and how you're trying to heal. Yeah, I do reply as much as I can. Um, it's just hard, though. I said, I'm gonna start going on a lot more to have like conversations with them, to be more like intimate with them, because they did wait a long time for me to drop an album, and I don't want
to just disappear like off into the abyss. So I'm gonna try to do better at talking to them. You say you're working on your next album. If your next album, you know, if if the gods are telling you a man, continue to talk about what it is you're talking about, continue to talk about healing, continue to talk about growth. Are you going to fight that? Definitely gonna. I don't mean I'm not gonna do it, but I'm definitely gonna fight it. Why man, if it's real, it's real, I'm conditioning, bro,
I'm from a name, I'm from a gang. I'm like, I don't know's I said one thing, I'm about to make it something. It's layered and I'm from a gang and then it ended. But it's just hard. I don't know. Why can't you do both? Why can't you say, Hey, if the spirit moves you to write a record like this, right it if moving to right recor this dude? If you if you want to do it the same song, why not, I'm just choosing to be ignorant. I'm gonna do it. Man, I'm gonna keep talking about I know
the responsibility I got now. Um not just that I spoke on therapy. This is the fact that I'm aware. Um, so I gotta move better and I'm always gonna move better. Well hopefully I am. And well, listen, we're all the perfect balance of ratchetness and righteousness blood at you know what I mean. Did any of the girls stopped talking to you from your birthday party the other night? Yeah? I just tried to say hi to all of them the next day and it's over. I really, my roster's done.
For roster right now? Is gonna even make it more worse? How many of you had bro No, it wasn't like that. It was like, like, like, because the hard part is right, people try to wait it out to see to the end, like who's leaving with him? I know? And that's what the crazy part, because girls started hanging around. Let me tell you. I got home that night, right, so I was like, I'm gonna be smart and this and not go home with none of these bitches. You know what
I'm saying. I'm so sorry, see perfect balance. Apologize because that wasn't cool at all. You're working progress, but um, these women and I got home and one of them was sitting in my room at four in the morning waiting to catch me up with another girl, and I like, one of the most scariest things, And I was like, you can't really, you can't play with these people feelings.
How get your room. I left my door unlocked like an idiot, and people like some people know all be leaving my door unlocked because I'm just be being lazy. So she knew that, and she was in my room waiting for me. But it was like seven girls there, but none of them is my girlfriends. So I don't know why he was acting like that. You have a name like the Westside Boogears or no, man, I don't. I'm not I'm not proud of this. She had to go home because like she was. She told me I
was being disrespectful. She was just like, why would you invite me if you're gonna have these other girls there? Blah blah this, And I said, I actually didn't invite you. My assistern invited you. I didn't know you was coming. And I also felt like I didn't hug on none of them at the party. I stayed around the homies. So it was just her intuition. Because some other dude
text me after the party, some singer. He was like, I just want to let you know you a pimp, and I'm just like, how I didn't talk to none of them girls. I was up there see you all girls texting you. It ain't no way. You're still a bitch ass nigga and you being tetry. See man, I don't know. I mean, ain't gonna make some much saying that that was a bad idea. It was because there's no because if you invite a girl like your assistant, does they think that they're the one that's coming. That's
why they got invited. Like OK, but just say that. But if we never had no conversation before that about us being a relationship, right, just about it being exclusive, about none of that, your expectations, like you can't put that on me, then I got to deal with the guilt after because of your expectations. That's crazy too. So you wouldn't have been mad if they would have talked to somebody else at the party, since you guys, dang, I would have been pissed because it works because I
actually did that drunk shit. I remember saying one of the things to one of the girls, like you bet I do no dumb shit up here? Yeah I was. I was being toxic now I think about it. Your therapists, I'm sure to talk to you about choices or boichus. I don't know how you would pronounce that right, but you got to replace two season that. Yes, but you made a choice, so those girls would have cut up in that party, I would have been your fault. It is my fault. Why no, no, no, no no, you
all that energy in your life. You're right. I didn't invite all of them, though my assistant invited like majority of them. Why would they do that? You knew who was invited though you know it was on the list. Now I didn't. I didn't know who was on that list. I just pulled up to It was a party for me. I didn't pay attention to RSVP. I just let my assistant do her thing, you know what I'm saying. And so now I'm starting to realize that line was probably
based on a true story. A woman actually told you that all this stuff is real. That's came from a real thing. That definitely came from a real woman that said that not hurt specifically, but a real experience. And there's no judgment for you now when you date right like you said that, you don't want to have to pass judgment on these women based off their past or things that they've done. Yeah, I don't judge. I don't judge. I just can't talk to women who dated my peers.
Not like I judge them because because of that, but I just don't want to like, you know what I'm saying, you dated Jid or like sme, no niggas I got to see all the time. I don't. I'm cool. Yeah, you can't wipe you. I can't wipe. But what's dated? Like what if they just if the homies hit I'm cool? Do you ask those questions? Do you ask her? If they just had kind of asked the homies, I'd be like,
have you dated any rappers? That's my question? What if they just had FaceTime conversations that never FaceTime conversation, nottime conversation. But if somebody smacked or like you know what I'm saying, or you game head, or what if he just gave her head munch um, that's funny, that's cool. I ain't gonna problem. Yeah, I got a problem with that. I don't know. That's kind of wow. Bro, your homie be like, yo, you know, I ht your girl out, You're right then
passing you to blunt. That is kind of crazy. Actually, yeah, any type of sexual like thing. I'm cool, oh man, listen. More Black Superheroes is out right now, Sir, west Side Bookie, support this project. I love what you're doing. Appreciate what I'm saying. I love the fact that you are on your healing journey and you're expressing it through your music. They see how far away I am on my healing journey.
You know, you're right, you need You have a lot of contradictory things going on in your head, but that's how we all are. Ain't no mile markers on that on that on that road, that healing lu They said, I was supposed to turn it in two days, but I have not got it done. So maybe next week I'm gonna turn it in. So maybe they come out like they can't help you. You not say to date. They don't want you to miss it. What's up? Oh man? What's up? Boogie? More Black Superheroes out now? Thank you
for coming. You're having me for a for all that, sir, It's the Breakfast Club.