The Breakfast Club REWIND (Kerry Washington Interview, Omar Epps Interview, Who Do You Help If Your Baby Daddy and Boyfriend Are Fighting? Dr. Joseph Puma Interview)

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So I'm always nervous when I do the Breakfast Club because sometimes you say stuff and it's just gonna get you in trouble.

Everybody, what wait, this is your time to get it off your chest.

She's calling eight hundred and five eighty five one O five one. You want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club? Hello? Who's this?

Jay?

Jay?

What up?

Where you calling them from?

Brother?

What's up?

Man?

I'm calling from bloody Mississippi?

Jay?

What's up?

King?

Get it off your chest? Brother?

What's up?

Man?

I'm just calling as I drive truck for a living and I'm still downtied of traffic, bro, traffic, it's just disrespectful.

Oh there's a lot of traffic in Mississis.

No I run the corridor that I corridor over New Orleans and uh Houston as well.

Oh yeah, yeah, you're going to major cities, New Orleans and Houston. Ain't no jokes, I get it. Just be patient, man, and don't drive that truck like you're driving a car. I can't stand when people driving back trucks like they're driving a little electric car or something, little hondai.

Remember you've got a truck.

I tried.

I tried to drive for myself, for others as well as myself.

That's right.

Okay, Well, Jay, do me a favor.

What's that blow that had?

Jay?

Come on?

Oh man, I can't do it. I'm in the residential area right now.

I can't come on, jaim in trouble. Don't you blow that horn?

JA, don't wake the people up, j don't you do that? Come on, j J Jay, think about the people. Think about the people. JA that's sleeping right now.

Yeah. I wouldn't want anybody to do it for me, so I can't do it.

That's right.

I respect that, Jay, do the right thing, even when nobody looks not respect that.

Let's make the whole noise with your mount jacobye dam of course, that's crazy.

To say that, Yo, this Monday, man, what's up, Mello?

What's up? MV?

I need to bring Charlemagne and you to the front of the congregation, because never did y'all call us the king of R and B like Chris browns don't good? Like are you kidding me?

Chris Brown?

Listen, we salute Chris Brown, but Chris Brown would even tell you otherwise.

Brother, Yeah, because you gotta say that, you feel me. You're supposed to train to your idols, become your rifles, And I'm sorry he's done a passion like that. That's just not TRUEY won't say I will Chris Brown. Chris Brown is the king.

Of R and B like respect Chris Brown?

Chris Does Chris Brown have an album as good as eighty seven oh one? Does he have an album as good as Confessions?

Yeah?

I'm all right, Confession that was okay? But respectfully, anything that Breezy got me real. He may have vocal talent over him, but Breezy got basically everything else. That's the only thing I could give him.

Mellow, I just disagree, Mellow.

Yes, sir, I argue with you this morning, arguing mellow, And it's not a disrespect to christ Brown.

Chris Brown is great.

We got to start backing like she's just not on the whole other level.

Than a lot of people. Man, Hello, who's this?

Hi?

Hey, good morning, mama, get it off your chest?

Good morning.

I feel blessed.

I just came from the casino, and I came.

What casino?

Where you at?

I'm on Queen's.

I went to the research for pino.

Oh, how much you want congratulate?

Yeah?

As long as I can hold someone to ask you.

Girl, I'll be having it. It's okay.

What you're gonna do with that money? Something? The first right round the corner, the first, the next.

Week, next week, all right, mama, well enjoy, have a great week with that bread YouTube.

Bye bye? Now, Hello, who's this? All right?

Get it off your chest?

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Right right, ray, Yo, charlat man, Daffy, what up are we live?

This is your time to get it off your chest.

I got an indoor pool pool.

We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.

Get on the phone right now, here to tell you what it is?

We live?

Hello, who's this? Yeah? There's it going? Man? God, God, what's up?

Get it off your chest while he sounds some damn.

Brother, No, I ain't dying, just woke up. Man.

By the summer, your Uber ship where you do ber at?

I thought? He said? He smoking. I was like, God, damn, you gotta get your life together, he said, Uber when you.

Do uber at bro in Brooklyn on Brooklyn?

Okay?

Is it is it true that Uber takes like what forty percent of what you make?

No?

I don't think the ride popped up with in screen.

You just accept it and you can get all the money from the screen.

I don't know what anybody be complaining about. And we appreciate you, brother, no doubt.

I appreciate your tea.

But yeah, I just want to let all the drivers know when they'll be on the road, stop with these emotional turns. I'ab be making the bike lane is to the right every time you drive. Every time is a driver in front of another driver and they're trying to get around, they always make these emotional turn try to get around the driver in front of them, And I'm always to the right. Drivers, We are to your right,

Bless sir, you too.

Hello.

Who's this?

What's your boy?

KP from the blog KP.

For the BX.

What up?

Get it off your chest?

Bro' telling man, listen, I'm calling because I want to be positive this morning. Like in the next like five six hours, I'm getting ready to get on the Carnival cruise and go on this a day trip to turn Saint Thomas in Puerto Rico.

Sam.

I know it's gonna be a good vibe, right man.

Set the vibes early. I like that. Who you taking your wife?

Now?

I'm going with the fam like I'm going one of my close best friends and mom, everybody like that, my extended family.

That's right. Joy enjoy that, man.

Put your put your feet again, put your feet in the saying of turks and kkos.

Man, it's a beautiful place.

Yeah nah. In fact, I've been there one time, but only when I was younger, So I know it's gonna be great now that I'm gonna go.

Have you been on the cruise before?

Yeah?

Probably, Like nothing. Nothing looks like my ninth time cruise and I've been on a Carnival, Caribbean Disney.

Okay, all things. So you're a professional.

You know where you need to go, what time you need to go to lunch and dinner, and how to book all little scourges and all that.

You're pro after.

Nah, that's the shack my grandmother taught me a long time ago. We've been going on for years, so you know, she's not with us no more. But it's something I like to keep doing because you know, it makes me remember her.

Okay, bro, have a going Hello.

Who's this hey?

Man Jefferson, Man.

Hey Jefferson, good morning. Get it off your chest.

Hey, First of all, shout out all Big nine, one four, shout out everybody. Shout out with TJ and V Charlamagne. Everyone there. Look man, black and you're Republican. I don't think that's a bad thing. I just want to get that off my chest, that everyone that black does not have to think democratically or vote democrat. That was it, man.

I agree with you. I don't. I don't think that.

Uh, you know, just because you're black and your your you're a black and Republican means that you're a bad person. But I do feel like, you know, sometimes we vote against our own interests.

But I don't think the Democrats have the best interest because I feel like they they're promoting us kind of to stay in a system that doesn't really benefit us. In a long call, That's all I'm saying my opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with that. Easy. I'm not disagreeing with that either. I do.

I do think that we're in some very very very troubling times right now though. And I do see, you know, one party leaning heavy towards fascism. But everybody, listen, man, vote your own interest. That's what I tell folks.

Get it off your chest. Eight undrink five eight five one five one. If you need to vent something on your mind, call us up right now. Is the Breakfast Logan Morning, the Breakfast Club.

Practice. We have offices throughout four of the five boroughs. Generally, we provide care in underserved communities, whether what often called health deserts. There's no hospitals or not many physicians around, and we try and meet patients who need out care where they live.

And I told y'all, I've had every cardiovascular test there is to have over the past few months, I had named some of them that was EKGs.

What is some of the.

Tests I think you had stress tests before you came to us. You had a calcium score.

Calcium score, and yours absolutely not only was the best, it's the one that put my mind at ease the most. Well, thank you, especially after I got thosels back. But why are the important for people of color to get their heart tested regularly?

Important for people of color to get their heart tested period and not regularly because one of the challenges is they're not regularly getting they're heart tested. People of color have a almost one and a half to two times the rate of death from heart disease. They get the risk factors for heart disease high blood pressure. They often develop high blood pressure at an earlier age it's more difficult to treat. They have diabetes at a higher rate,

Well, how can people get tested? Not how can they test it?

Of course, but you know they tell you at forty five years old you get a colonoscopy. They tell you at this age you do this. At what age should

Yeah, So that's a great question. So the answer to that question, I think that depends on whether you have symptoms or no symptoms.

If you have.

Symptoms of discomfort in your chest, shortness of breath, more easy fatigue, not able to do the usual level of exercise, dizziness, lightheadedness, doesn't matter what age you are, you should be tested because let's you remember, heart disease is the number one killer in America and even though over the last forty years the rate of death from heart disease has come down. It has not come down for the black community all

Well, I was going to ask.

So you know, you go to the dentists, you have a cavity, they can fix it right, flaus it whatever, colonoscope they clean your butt out right, so now they know you know what he knows what I mean.

You know, they clean it out, they cut off the polyps.

You know what it is.

So if there is a problem with your heart, what are the procedures to can it be done right then?

And there?

Talk that talk doctor Pumber, This is good. Just just move me away when you told me that.

Yeah, So nationally, Medicare is now approved putting heart stents right in the office in appropriate facilities. New York State has not yet approved that, but our center down in Lower Manhattan is built for that, and we have the latest technology and cardiac cathorization left where you could have a stent foot at that time.

Just a stent. A stent is a.

Metal scaffold that when you have a blockage in your artery through an artery in your wrists, we put a catheter up into the heart and then over a wire through the catheter, we can pass a metal stent over a balloon and dilate it and clear away the blockage, so.

The stent doesn't stay inside of it. Was just it just cleans out.

It stays inside you.

It does and becomes part of the artery wall.

Okay, so you have a piece of metal in you, So every time you go through tsa metal detector you.

It won't go off. It doesn't. It doesn't go off.

It's it's very it's very small, three and a half millimeters usually, but no, it doesn't set off metal detectors.

You can use your microwave.

But it's the most common treatment for blocked arteries in the world.

Can you explain to people what causes heart attacks and strokes?

Sure, it's a that's a great question.

And I think it's not only a great great question, great question in general, because it's the leading cause of death, but in the black community the risk of it is so much higher. I know, Charlemagne, you're from South Carolina.

We have more with doctor Puma when we come back don't move as to Breakfast Club.

Good morning, the Breakfast Club.

Wining.

Everybody is cj NV charlamagnea god. We are to breakfast Club. We're still kicking with doctor Puma.

A lot of people in our community are scared to go to the doctor or can't afford to, don't have insurance. So what are some of the signs that they should look at. Let's go with diabetes. What is a sign of diabetes that people should look out for?

First of all, I would say healthcare should not be just for people well off, for people who have insurance. Healthcare should be a right in this country.

There's no reason, I agree.

There's just no reason why we should treat any not treat any human being that needs our help. Right, and if you come to any one of our offices, we take care of everyone, regardless of their ability to pay. So that's number one.

Number two. High blood pressure and diabetes both.

When we're in medical school where taught, they're called the silent killers because they often don't have symptoms. Okay, but when they do. If you have high blood pressure, you might feel flushed sometimes during the day in your face, you might get headaches. Okay, you might have chest discomfort, you might get short of breath.

All right, you don't need to go to a doctor.

You can go to any pharmacy even and they have a blood pressure cuff. They're usually and they'll check your blood pressure. So simple screening for that. And remember something blood pressure diagnosis often it peaks in our thirties or in our fifties, So if you're in communities of color and you're in your thirties, you should at least get a screening for blood pressure. Diabetes also very elusive in

You bring up fear.

Fear is a big issue here is a big, big issue for for many people. People don't come to me. It's it's not like I don't know if you're married or you have kids, but you know you remember when.

You both married. Yeah, my wife. I can't bring that up again.

Wow, Carolinas, Okay.

I can't bring that up again.

But anyway, but remember like the first time you're pregnant and you go to the doctor, everyone's happy and it's exciting time. When people come to me, they're scared. I'm not sure what's going on. They may not feel well, they may have a family history, so we have we have to deal with that fear. One of the ways you deal with that fear is by bringing health care to them, as opposed to saying, here, I'm in a big,

I think people want you to talk to about the You know, when I asked you what causes the heart attacks of scrips. I want you to talk about like the blockage and how the plaque breaks off and that stuff.

Yeah, so in the carnery artery, so for strokes, if you have high blood pressure, just the high blood pressure, right, It's the same as if you have high blood pressure in your water heater at home. If it gets to a certain level, boom, it just pops. But in the

The day they have their heart attack.

So it's it's often unpredictable. So unless you know you have some plaque. Then there are strategies, as we discussed, whether it's statin medications, aspirin counseling to help you maybe stop smoking if you smoke, weight reduction, things of that nature that can help. But heart attacks are I like to think of it this way. You know, if you're having if you're lucky enough to have symptoms, it's kind of like when you're driving your car and the little light goes on, says the tires run and low.

Right.

Usually if you're having symptoms or you see that light, you'll attend to it correct so that you don't end up with a blowout, let's say on the highway.

That's like a heart attack.

But many people don't have symptoms until the day they have their heart attack.

And I want to read my results that doctor Saren sent me, because y'all send five things after you have the test. It's to images of your coronary heart arteries, your heartflow analysis of the arteries.

Right, what is that exactly?

So the heartflow analysis is if there is any plaque in the artery, it's a Heartflow is a company based in California that has proprietary AI software that can actually assess the flow to determine if that plaque, that blockage is obstructive needs to be treated with a stent or bypassed, or non obstructive needs aggressive medical therapy. It's amazing software.

The sore and hearts scan with heartflow.

And so y'all and y'all send the soaring heart scan final report, you send your blood work report. And finally, which I really loved, the ten year risk of cardiovascular events which is heart attack, stroke of death. Now this is what put my mind at ease. Overall, your results are excellent. Despite a high calcium score for your age, there's only minimal plaque in your heart arteries.

Furthermore, your lipid cholesterol profile, Yeah.

Your cholesterol profile is excellent and well below goal on your current statum medication and aspirin, which I would continue. Your blood pressure and heart rate are those of a man twenty years younger. All these factors contribute to a very low ten year cardiovascular risk of only three point five percent optimal for men of your age. Would be three percent, so you are in very good shape. That put my mind at my heart within the next fifteen and I think I got those results the next day.

That's correct, think, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's correct.

So I would flip it back to you.

I would definitely like to sign up because I definitely would like to make sure that I'm here for my kids.

I have six kids, so I want to make sure I'm here for my kids.

You'd be welcome to come and yeah, and I just think the access making it easy, right, you know, you all are people of means and you know, but it's for everybody, and you can and you can really make a great impact for people who may have some fear, arensure what the entry point is, aren't sure what to do. So I appreciate you inviting me. I appreciate you taking the time and talking about it, and I hope we can help some people.

And where can they get more information? I'll reach you directly.

On our website so or in medical ny dot com. We're on Instagram. I've never been on any of these things. I've been practicing for over thirty years, but in the past year, all the young folks in our practice have us on Instagram and on the website now and they can call the office or send us an email. As

Everybody needs to go do this.

Man, I've had too many friends you know, either having heart attacks or having strokes over the past few years.

Are dying of heart attacks and strokes.

So you should definitely go to us soron medical and get the soaring hearts can. Absolutely, I'm going as soon as I can, and I appreciate you so much for joining us.

Thank you very much, Doctor Joseph Pumer.

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It's topic time.

Eight hundred five five one five one to join in to the discussion with the Breakfast Club.

Morning Everybody, It's DJ NV Charlamagne the gud we are the Breakfast Club of course just hilarious is here and she came up with this topic right here.

She says, not based on the true story though you just.

Him, Yes, we are Jesus.

So the question is she's almost going into the bushes.

So if your baby daddy and your boyfriend is fighting, who do you help?

And do you feel bad?

Now?

You said you're helping your baby daddy.

Yeah, I have to said.

Because you can't fight.

Yes, Damn, Rome is my guy, like I have to help him now.

Byre gonna feel about this when he hears this later. I don't know, Lord, have mercy, Just you're making your life difficult.

For no, because no, y'all turned the question back on me.

This is for them out there.

You don't have to answer.

You gonna let it go.

My god, who you're helping? If your boyfriend and baby daddy fighting?

And John hypothetically, man.

What about you?

Who you.

Let Hey? John? Good morning?

Now John, If you're your baby daddy and your boyfriend started fighting, what you're gonna do?

I don't have a baby daddy.

I had a baby, mama, and uh, my girl was fighting and I helped that my girl.

Yeah, you out with your girl?

They said it happened.

Yeah, well them, Jeff, what that baby?

How you doing? You said you're helping you? You helped your girl.

I didn't.

I didn't help my girl, but I let her get her left.

I think you should help who? Uh whoo?

Who?

Who loves your child? I think you should help who your child would want you to help. Yeah, and by the way, I don't think you gotta help any You just don't let them fight.

You get in between them. Like yo, y'all ain't fighting. So who would you have shelman?

I would if if they needed help, I would help the person. I know my child would want me to help. I would help the person. If my child was standing there, my child would try to interview.

No, come on, come on with my child standing there.

No, because you nobody gonna be fighting in front of chaild. No now, And they pulled up. If your boyfriend and your baby father got into it, who are you out?

Like?

Who are you grabbing first?

Between both of them?

You get in between but wow, whoa No, don't ever get him between them?

You know what I mean, I'm breaking.

Them up, But it just depends I would just stopover getting the asking whoever getting a cool put them off from or.

Something right right, Because to be honest with you know, I would help Rome, but Rome would be the reason to fight.

It happened because Rome antagonizes.

Chris is not going to he just going he's gonna fight, but Rome is gonna start it.

But I still have to help because Rome has this.

And I think, I mean, mouf, I think when we mean help, we don't mean we're not helping to fight. We just gonna break it up, right, that's what.

You Because if you help your if you help your baby daddy or your baby mama, you still gotta go home with your boyfriend and girl for later on.

And then they're gonna say, you know what, why why you punch me too?

Or it's just a boyfriend and girlfriend. That's all y'all said, boyfriend and girlfriend? How serious is it?

I'm just as he keeps trying to change the story.

Hello club, now.

Jack, Jack, what you do?

I'm fighting, I'm kicking it off.

You owe me shock support?

We fighting, dang, I know that's right, Okay.

And then I'm going back.

I'm going back home to my baby, and I'm being like, Yo, did.

You hear what happens to your Daddy's tragic?

But I started it. I'm fighting Jesus you know about this man?

A lot of these women want their boyfriends to beat up baby.

It sounds like yeah, yeah, definitely, Oh my god.

Christian text me, Hey, good morning baby, good morning.

Here, good morning, good morning morning.

Hey, I'm good darmer peez, what's happening?

What's happening?

Your baby daddy and your boyfriend get into a fight?

Who you helping?

I'm jumping my baby daddy is all about the kids. Yeah, any time. I got to deal with my baby daddy for the rest of my life. Okay, we're jumping at anything.

Do you like your boy you want them? Do you like your boyfriend?

It's only the baby daddy for me. That's why I got to deal.

With Okay, calm in.

Good morning.

How you feeling.

I'm feeling pretty good. Now.

Your baby daddy and your boyfriend get into a fight.

Who you helping?

I gotta I gotta fight both of them.

So you're gonna We're gonna bunch.

You're gonna punch both of them.

Yes.

For so I'm gonna help my baby daddy because you know, we got kids, you know what I'm saying. But then I'm gonna help my man because that's my man, everybody, and figure out the details later, you know what I'm saying.

So you just hitting both of them at.

This point, because why y'all even got me in this situation?

That's hilarious.

Hello, who's this?

Hey?

What's up this?

Crystal?

Hey?

Crystal, good morning, Good morning.

You know we're having an intellectually calm, intellectual conversation about baby daddy and boyfriends?

Which one you help it if they fight?

Okay? So I'm gonna be honest, it gotta be. It's two things. It's how long I been with this my boyfriend, and who started Now me personally, I got a petty baby daddy. I got petty baby daddy and me my my guy. I've been with him for three and a half years. So he's not I don't know, drama stuff, no messy stuff, you know what I'm saying. So I'm a just on my baby daddy started it. So I'm gonna side with my because we don't we don't do that drama with his baby mama, my baby day. We

All right.

It feels like the baby daddy is more permanent in your life than a boyfriend, though, because you don't know unless that boyfriend proposes, becomes your becomes your husband.

It feel like the baby daddy is who you should really be.

But like she said, it, yeah, like it just depends like that.

The only reason I'm helping Room is because I cannot see him get beat up, not because because of the kids, because as gonna be like, Dad, you knew you couldn't fight, Like you know what I'm saying.

It's not that why doing that? But but seriously, you're gonna make.

Room slap something tomorrow, Like you're gonna go ou He's just gonna slap somebody.

Just difficult. You say he can't fight, and you will get messed up.

Dam calls problems in Baltimore all day years say you can't fight.

Yeah, that's not her breakfast.

She said, you can't fight.

We do not somebody thank you.

Yes, yes, your baby daddy and your boyfriend fighting.

Who you helping?

I would watch everything and reported, Oh, so you're gonna sit back and world start boom.

Yup, world star all day, scream yell, eat some popcorn at the same time.

Who would you want to win?

Honestly, my boyfriend, baby daddy.

Got no love.

That's right, baby daddy needs it.

Girl, I know that's right.

What's the moral of the story.

If there's a moral of the story, yes.

Don't jump in, don't jump in, the moral of the stories they shouldn't be fighting.

That they shouldn't be fighting. And if they do, do not just call the police.

Call the police, not even want to both get locked up.

One might have a warrant.

Now they get now they get arrested.

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Just don't fight. But I don't think the woman should jump in. Don't help even if you up.

I can't fight.

No, don't jump in.

You keep saying that man, no, because I seen who came late.

I'd be grown up before. Yes, and in the younger days.

But he didn't get you back.

I'm sure yes, going at it is man room used to get damn with the get down. I told you he was cheating on me before you met me so Yeah, that that's that.

Just explained creative. You're trying to fight back and you're getting beat up.

Yes, like real big, like wrong, you can't pick me up.

That ain't funny, but it's funny.

It's like when we have pictures. I'm an interview him. We gonna interview him. Let's go and you're gonna see my god man tell you the truth.

Yes, she beat me up a couple of times, but a couple of times because I let her put me in a headline one time.

Maybe tap out.

Yeah, and she's small, real little.

Take that little.

Now, sain't that little? She was big enough to put me in the headline right.

Than what she is? He is little? She ain't that little? Yes she is.

Actually, I don't move.

It's to the breakfast lug aboard it the breakfast Club.

Morning, everybody in stej n V.

Charlamagne to God. We are the breakfast Club. We have Laura Luosa our guest host. And we got a special guest in the building, ladies, Kerry Washington.

That's right, welcome Washington.

Book out Thicker than Water. Congratulations, learned so much about you, uh with this book. First, Maybe it's just me being stupid. I didn't know you were from the Bronx.

Really, I did not know that. I didn't know you were from the bron born and raised.

You know what I say?

I say, the craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida.

Why what why I agree on Florida, but why the Bronx.

One of the most talented people that come from the Bronx.

That is very true too. Now, how did you know now the time to write, dickn It was so.

What I write about in the book is that a handful of like five years ago, my parents sat me down and shared with me some new information about myself that really kind of challenged the way that I thought about myself, that I thought about my family, turned my world upside down. And at the time, I had actually sold another book, Idea, which was based kind of inspired by the show that I was on, Scandal, and it was like, these are the ten things that I learned

Wow.

And then a few years later I was like, I think I have to at least try to write this.

Book because you said your parents didn't want you to reveal benefit. Yeah.

Yeah, So my parents told me that they were sort of forced to tell me that my dad is not my biological father.

Yeah.

How did that affect you? Because I mean, he still your dad at the end of the day. We've seen the picture you know, had.

Had chokes on Instagram?

Yea, yeah, yeah, So how did that affect anything after you were told?

So?

I think immediately when they told me it was weird, to be totally honest with you, I felt like excited. I felt excited and grateful because I had always felt like there was something going on in my family that I couldn't put my finger on. But it was like a dynamic of distance or like there was I just.

Knew that I didn't know what.

I didn't know, but I knew that that there was something between my parents and I, And because I didn't know what it was, a lot of times I blamed myself for that, or maybe thought I was crazy for thinking it. Maybe thought maybe I'm just not open enough, like I was always trying to figure it out.

So when they.

Told me, it felt like, I don't know, it felt like I could breathe. It felt like, oh, this is this is a real opportunity for me to jump into this new kind of understanding of myself and my life.

And you know, it was really exciting.

When you would ask questions about like just different things, like, hey, you go to the doctors and they say, you know what illnesses are on your mom, So your dad, you would ask your dad your mom those questions?

How would they answer it? As if my dad was my father? They were going to take this to their grave, And I get it. I totally understand, right, Like, yeah, I think they they felt like, well, first of all, let me just say this, my parents are renegades, right, Like a lot of us now we know people who go to sperm donor sperm banks. Right, It's like very common relatively now, and you get a whole catalog. You can pick the color of the eyes and what Ivy

Because they wanted this to be a secret.

So, yeah, you know, you talk about your eating disorder and dealing with how you felt about your body and your looks.

I wanted to know what got you in that point. And the reason I ask is I have four daughters.

Charlemagne has four daughters, and I always want to make sure I try my hardest to give my daughter as many compliments as possible, right, because you never want them to feel that way.

But sometimes I don't think that matters because it's.

Also how they look at themselves.

So what got you to that point where you didn't like what you've seen in a mirror or something that you weren't happy about.

It's such a good question. I have daughters too, right, So it's something that I think about a lot. I think that the food, it's like any other kind of addictive behavior. It's not about the drug, it's not really about the food or even really about the relationship with body.

Came out from a compulsion.

Of trying to escape the feelings I was having or numb them. And so I think for me, it was this sense that I write about in the book of feeling like I had to be perfect, like I had to be better.

Than who I was, in order to be deserving of love.

And some of that came from like what why do I have this weird dynamic with my parents?

Like what's going on?

Maybe if I was better, prettier, smarter, thinner, then I might be more lovable.

So I don't even you know.

I mean, I do think it's important to teach our kids to make healthy choices when it comes to exercise, to make healthy choices when it comes to food, to teach them about nutrition, about how food works in the body.

All that's important.

But I think helping a kid to feel unconditionally loved, to feel safe, those are the things that I think help us have the tools to live in life on life's terms, as opposed to grabbing at addictive behaviors to escape life.

Now I'm jumping all around because I want people to read the book Thinking of Water. But you talked about, you know, always grabbing for perfection. Yeah, but you said, Jamie Fox thought you a very valuable lesson.

Yeah.

Can you explain what that was?

Yeah, I think Jamie. I mean, I've been really lucky.

I've been lucky enough to work with Jamie twice on Ray and Janego Unchained.

Classics by the way.

Yeah, truly, he's He's the best. And Jamie's taught me a lot about a lot of things. But one of the things is in my work as an actor, to you have to let go of that perfection idea.

Because we were doing a scene together in Ray.

It was the scene where I find speaking of drugs, where I find all his heroin works the first time as his wife, and you know, we had done it in the morning. We had hit it out of the park and I was like, oh, we are on fire.

This is incredible.

And then as the day went on, I kept trying to do it exactly the way we had done it earlier that morning, so that it would be in that perfect place that felt so good. And that's the beginning of death. As an actor, like you, you can't try to recreate magic. You have to keep cultivating new magic, right, Like, you have to truly be in the moment. And Jamie really helped me to realize I was frustrated in the scene, and he was like, you got to you gotta keep digging,

Why was it easier to find that in acting as opposed to real life?

Well, I guess I hadn't learned how to apply that to the rest of my world. You know, there was like it was in a vacuum, was isolated kind of moment.

But it's a good question.

I mean, that is the lesson though, right is that, like the answer is never about perfection, It's always about like, what's the best possible version of my life in this moment of me in this moment.

Now, you did say something I heard you say that parents do the best that they can and then it's up to us to parent ourselves after that.

Explain that, well, I think like one of the things that I've truly come to terms with in writing this book is that my every choice my parents made was out of love. They weren't trying to be cruel. They weren't trying to hurt me. They really thought that this was the best choice. And by the way doctors back then said it, artificial examination was so new. They would say, do this thing and then you go home and have sex,

You had no idea. So they were like, go home and have sex.

Then the kid's yours, end of story, nothing to talk about, right, And so I think my parents didn't want me to feel different.

They didn't want me to feel weird.

They didn't want me ironically, they didn't want me to feel distance from them, even though that's what wound up happening. So I know that they made loving choices or choices out of love, even if they didn't feel loving to me.

But I think we have to for me and my journey.

It's been like it's been good to understand who they were, to have compassion for their choices. But I can't blame them for where I am now, Like now that I have awareness, I have to say, like, Okay, they gave me everything they could with as much love as they could. How do I now close the gap between what they gave me and what I need. That's my responsibility as an adult. If I just sit here and continue to complain about what they didn't give me, that I'm keeping myself a child.

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What's the conversation like with your kids?

Like once you decided to take this world to your kids and even deciding to write the book, and now you're you know, because your kids, I'm sure they're friends and everybody knows who you are, So how do you have that conversation with them and kind of how are they responding to things?

You know, It's funny, like I was saying before, this is so common now, like it's not news to my kids. They were so unimpressed, Like you know, they're in their classes. They have kids with two dads and two moms, so they have friends from sperm donors, friends from egg donors, friends who are adopted, friends who were born from surrogates.

Like they also like we're a.

Blended family, right, They're big sister, you know when we look at the three of them, their big sister has four parents. Like having me having another parental figure in my story, it's not weird to them. For my parents, they came from a world where what makes a family was very different, but the ideas of what makes a

What about when you decided to because I know in this book you talk about the abortion that you had at twenty. Yeah, that is something that is like in your twentieth But I mean it's around Saved the Last Dance time, right, so you were, you know, highly successful at this time.

I know. But it's in a chapter that I call black famous because I was.

I mean, you know how we are like white people didn't necessarily know that the girl from Saved the last dance was the same girl from Ray was the same girl from Last Kame of Scotland. So we knew, I, you know, but so yes, I was my star was on the rise.

But it wasn't. I wasn't like I could still go to the grocery store and it was all good.

I love yourself awareness. Did you realize you.

Were black famous when you were black famous or with that in hindsight, No.

In the moment, because I knew, you know.

It was like I knew I could walk down the street on fifty seventh in Madison and be fine, but if I was in the Bronx, it was like, oh my god. Or like at the time, I was a substitute teacher in New York City public schools. That was one of my many side hustles when I was trying to make a living as an actor. And it was funny because I would get hired into the school and the principals who were white, you know, the principal's vice principals, they would be like, so nice to meet you.

Great, they bring me to the classroom. They had no idea who I was.

But then I would be asked to leave a school because By the second day, all the kids were cutting class to see Chaneil from Save the Last Dance because they knew who I was because I was substitute teaching in Harlem. So it was like that dynamic. I understood that certain people knew who I was and other people didn't.

What's more fulfilling being black famous or white famous.

I think you have to have both. That was one of the things that that Chris rocked, like, you can never ever forget your core original first audience. You cannot because that other audience will come and go, they'll be ebbs and flows. But black people will hold you up throughout. If you stay with us, we stay with you.

I feel like that's what made Scandal Is such a hit.

Absolutely.

I mean, we were part of the birth of black Twitter at the time. So I one of my best friends from high school. She's a brilliant social media person, Alison Peters. She actually convinced me to go on Twitter and I was like, what why, I don't know, and she was like she had come out of viacom and was like, it's really important, you need to do this.

So yes, in.

That first season, it was absolutely because black audiences. You know how culture follows us, so black audiences made it that you had to be there to tune in, and suddenly it trickled out into the rest of the world.

Often do people come up to you to streak.

All the time, all the time and to be honest because the show was inspired by a real woman, Judy Smith, who's a real DC fixer who never slept with the president, but was a real fixer. And I have her on speed dial, so people also will come to me to get to her.

Because they know she is truly able to fix down.

Have you needed I haven't needed her, but I've sent other people to her. Yes, but I've talked to her. I mean, like not on Like I'm in jail. It's two Am helped me out. But like, you know, if there's a rollout of a movie and I'm like, I don't know, Oh, this directory is a little bit of a problem. What do you think you know I've done. I've had those kind of conversations with her. Yeah, but people, do you know? It's funny, like it'll happen in political moments.

To save us.

What are you gonna do? Please Olivia Pope?

And it was funny for a minute, and then I was like, we have a real problem in our culture because we don't realize that Olivia Pope is an imaginary character on a television show, and that every single person who wrote one of those tweets they have more power than Olivia Pope because she can't vote, she can't register voters,

So a lot of the work.

That I've been doing has been trying to figure out how to turn the spotlight that's on me onto those grassroots organizations and people who are really doing the work.

But when people saw you with the Vice President the other day.

Yeah, she's back, she's the White House. Yeah.

I want to ask a more question about your father.

How did finding out your father wasn't your biological father changed your views on parenthood? Oh?

Man, Well, one thing I say in the book is, and it's what I feel, is that in our community, where people have historically had such difficult relationships, right where there's this history of dad's maybe not being present, you know, in the neighborhood that I grew up in, I grew up in one of the few households where the dad was around, and you know, my parents were still married.

You know now you contemplated suicide at one point, Yeah, what got you there? First of all? And then how did you get through it?

Because I'm sure there's people listening now that might be in that same zone and trying to work themselves through it every day. So what got you to that point where you felt that way? And then how did you get over that obstacle?

When you say there might be people listening who feel that way, it's like my heart breaks because I just know how hard it is to feel that alone and that hopeless. So if anybody's listening and is feeling that way, the one thing I would say is to ask for help, you know, is to really ask for help because you are you feel alone, but I guarantee you you are

I don't I don't know what to do.

So it was the first time that I think I humbled myself enough to feel like there's got to be something bigger than me that points me in the direction of healing, and I started reaching out. I went to therapy for the first time, group therapy, one on one, Like I just really started committing to trying to walk this road of healing.

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Charlemagne, did you're talking about traveling in the Black Famous chapter, you talk about going to Africa?

Yeah, to become African? How did that trip change?

So?

I was filming Last King of Scotland.

That was my first time on the continent and it was great because I do feel like sometimes as black people in America, we go to Africa with all these like do I belong here?

Do I feel at home?

Like?

What is my relationship here? And I just had to put all of that aside because my focus was on just kind of dropping in and becoming a Ugandan woman. And I I really did feel at home there.

I did.

I felt so lucky to be able to be so immersed in the culture that I wasn't there like you know, as a tourist, and I took it when I was there. I don't know if you've heard about this experience. It's not in the book, but we were hiking in the ruin Zori Mountains, which are the mountains that border Rwanda and Uganda, and it's where the only wild gorillas live. And you can go out with a gorilla trucker and find the gorillas in the jungle and spend time with them.

So I was like, waited, I was.

Gonna say, I didn't hear it through that lens because for me, I was like a young actor who had done animal exercises at school, like this was my opportunity for this was my Meryl Street mode.

Wow.

So when the gorilla case from the tree, I was like, I squat down.

I mean, everybody in my group was like, what is she?

When I tell you that is the best performance of my life, I was.

I was the gorilla, the gorilla was me.

I started, I picked off a leaf, started chewing on it, and we had the most incredible experience because it's golla. Gorilla kept getting closer and closer to us, and this little baby gorilla, she was so curious, she was like, what, we've never seen a human like this.

She was like, this one's one of us.

But close.

They just they got closer, the trekker said, than they'd ever had a gorilla get to a group before. I mean, the guy with the AK forty seven came right next to me because they were terrified.

But I was like, don't stop, don't stop. Yeah, it was incredible.

Yeah, you don't tell you that just because.

The experience that we got out of it. I mean they said it to everybody in the group, but I was the best actor in the Wow.

Yeah, when all of this is done, like everybody gets the book, they get to read it.

Everybody should get the book, read the audio book.

It's me and my own words. So that's fun.

What is the like, the the hug or the message that you want people to get from this book?

I think, and this is something that I've written in the book, but there's a saying I heard a long time ago that I really love that we are as sick as our secrets. Sure, and that when I think, when we can let go of the things that keep our true selves hidden, we can let go of our shame.

You know, I knew when my parents told me.

I realized that they had been living under this lie for so long that every time I had said I love you to my dad, whether it was conscious or unconscious, there must have been a part of him that thought, she loves me because she thinks I am her father.

Wow.

And there must have been a part of him that thought, if she knew I wasn't her father, maybe she won't love me. That's part of why they didn't tell me. And so I had the opportunity, once they gave me that truth, to actually, for the first time, love my father unconditionally. And that's what we all deserve. That's what we all want. We want to know that, no matter what we do, or how we act, or what we've done in the past, that we're lovable and that we're loved.

But I think your father proved that. You know, just because somebody provibes Ferm doesn't meet them. He's an actual.

Yeah, he's a big essing to be learned. That's right, that's right.

And it's even like people will say like, well, do you know who your biological father is? And I'm still wrapping my head honestly around that language.

Like do you want to know who the donor is?

I was literally about to do.

I'm searching.

I'm looking, and again not because I need a daddy, right Like, I'm not looking for an emotional connection. I'm really open. I mean I say that now, who knows? Once you never know, Like you could walk in the room and I can be like, ah, But I think I'm just really curious about that fifty percent of me, that genetic fifty percent of me.

I think there is a question. I know what I've gotten from my dad.

I know from my dad I've gotten my sense of humor, my imagination and my belief in the impossible, my ability to tell a story. I know what I've gotten from my mom, my intellect, my intellectual curiosity, my grace, my compassion. I don't know what I've gotten from the donor. I'm curious what part comes from him. And I'm curious just in terms of my medical history. I feel like I owe that to my kids that they should know where

Can we with something you said in the epilogue and I feel like it can relate to so many people. You say, my life is not about my donor, nor about my parents. My life is my own. What does that mean to you? And what could that mean to others?

Yeah, So when my parents told me this information, I realized, because they had built this narrative, this false narrative about where I came from, I realized that in many ways I had been the supporting care character in their story right like they were living this life. They were Earl and Valerie, parents of this beautiful child, successful middle class black family, like I was the supporting character in that fable.

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Renee is thirty years old and she will spend two years under community control which is a form of house arrest, eight years on probation, and will have to pay a fine of more than seventeen grand And personally, I don't think that is enough. In fact, I think she should get actual prison time. Why Uncle Shawla, why are you wishing prison time on this woman.

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South Dakota resident Rede Skogland is far from home and illegal hot water that even surprised the judge.

This is really unbelievable.

Skogland's trail of lies started well, she decided to come to Tampa Bay and cheat on her husband.

That she felt guilty about this due to her marital status, and she wanted to get checked her sexual transmitted diseases, but.

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She not even from Florida. She from South Dakota, came to Florida and became a Florida fool. Because it was in the water all right, this woman made up a false rape report in Florida to get a free STD test. Let's just sit here for a second and take that in you, like my Paula Santo, Just think about.

That Renee made up a false rape report.

In Florida to get a free STD test.

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Okay, that's what we should have asked when that foolish ass slogan became part of all lexicon.

What do you mean by all?

Because women like Renee can't possibly be under the umbrella all correct?

I have so many questions. Why didn't she just go to the clinic? Okay?

I did some research, and by research I mean Google, and all I did was type in free STD testing in Florida. It's a whole website called safe for STD testing dot com. It tells you all the clinics that are near you. It says right here if you're looking for cheap STD testing clinics in the state of Florida to get an HIV, herpes, committee, a gonnery, a syphilis, or a hepatitis screening for yourself or your partner, you can get tested today by selecting an option below to find

Why didn't you just go to a free clinic? Now?

Renee at the time was married and she lied about this sexual assault in attempt to get a free STD test after she had a one night stand in Tampa, so she cheated on her husband, felt guilty about it, so she decided to go get checked out for a STD and instead of just going to a doctor or clinic, she decided to lie about being a rape so she could get a free STD test.

Renee, what was your plan? B? Okay?

If that was plan A? What was planned B? This couldn't have been the only plan. Not to mention, you lied about a rape claim so you could get a free SDD test. So clearly you hard.

On money, but you had money to buy rope.

We looked it up. The hollow braided rope that she bought is twenty two dollars.

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Club owning everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne, the gud. We are the Breakfast Club. Laura La Ross is our special guests, and we have Omar Epp said, but also ebonie K Williams will be joining us next hour, and we talked about some statements that she said, and Laura La Ross was talking about a lot of people were very passionate.

So she's here to discuss. So if you want to talk to Ebonie K Williams, she's going to be joining us, you could get on the phone lines right now eight hundred five eight five, one oh five to one. But right now, let's get back into our conversation with Omar Epps.

All right, Charlomagne, you know I love what you just said about the movies because I think about it even with a series like this, because I saw you said you wish this book existed when you were a child.

Yeah.

I don't know when the series is going to end, but endings are very important because I think a lot of times in this art we talk about the problems, but we never talk about the solutions, and it never seems to be a happy ending.

Whether it's Ben Into.

Society, Boys in the Hood, whatever it was, Juice, there's really no happy ending.

Well, I think maybe because they're trying to teach a certain lesson, a certain angle of the lesson, you know, and then that's making me think about certain songs where like, yeah, they're not showing the glamorous part, they showing the other part, Like we used to seeing the rich and poles and all of them and all of that fly stuff, but they're not showing you the heartache that comes along.

And so I think things are necessary.

With Nubia, I do have the ending, but it also is an entry way into film, television, animation, everything you could think of.

I have story points that we want to hit.

So it's essentially I've created my own universe that hopefully one day can be akin to like Marvel.

That's what pains me about the Nubia series, though, because I love science fiction and I do feel like it needs to be a film, a TV show. I don't know if Hollywood will ever make a real investment into Side far I led by black people.

I'm not waiting on Hollywood. Okay.

If I was waiting on Hollywood, the book would have never been written. Absolutely, So we're gonna We're gonna do what we do, which is find a way. You know, hey, we made a delicacy out of the scraps, meaning they threw us big intestines and we made.

And we made them so good?

Did you make me a plate?

This is what we do, so hopefully it is in my lifetime. I mean, this is what I'm doing it for. But you know, there's when I say there's more of us, I'm not talking about a color.

I mean like minded. They're more like minded.

People than what we see portrayed in the news and the blogs and stuff like that.

So when people put their money where their mouth is and really.

Support one another, then it enables us to go to those next levels to where we don't have to be fully dependent on other systems.

Absolutely.

Now, the three main characters of the book, I don't want to say their names wrong and bery thank you. So they are of.

This first generation to discover these powers. Yes, when I read about that part of it, it made me think about like just being first generation coming from certain like you know, like I'm first generation college student or whatever, and you realize that you really can be put in a dark room and find the light.

Right.

What is the message in this book to.

The first generation of anything, like the students, the kids, the you know, I'm first generation to go to college and first generation to buy a house.

What messages millionaires?

Yeah, like what do they take away from this from this book?

I mean there's a lot of things that takes I think the one of the main themes for me is the idea of unity.

You know, cats ull spend twenty.

Five hundred dollars on a belt because it has a certain name on it. But if envy shirt kings or like food bing them back in the day, supreme in them back in the day, they say, Yo, the belts five hundred dollars, we like.

From you your brand, Right, I'm.

Gonna go spend triple over there, same quality, right, And then you elevate and you be like, oh, they make all of these bags and stuff in the same factories, same material, same everything. But because we're blinded by a name, which comes with a perception, we don't know how to stand for. I was like, no, we have the spending dollars, so we're gonna spend here. It really matters. And let as killer Mike's loop always talks about keeping a dollar

Spend your latter life unlearning that to get back.

To the source.

So I imagine a world where right now college is a four year process. What if one day college is a year process. What could that person do with that other three years in terms of being productive? And if you put a bunch of those type of people together, I mean, we're still modeling over I don't know, Twitter and Facebook.

It's like I ain't caring cancer though, you know what I mean.

What happened?

What do we do in a world where like thailandov do you cancer? Nont matter what kind? Oh just go to pharmacy. That's fot dollars, ain't nothing.

Imagine how much more productive we could be as a species. Like the fact that we're in twoenty twenty four and people still hung up on skin color. And again I don't mean white black, this is light skinned dolphins stuff.

Oh that's some licenseduff. You know, Me and Moly did with that.

And all the time you call.

It here it is.

His fault. And every time.

Ever give you.

Charlamage does the same thing, And I say his complexion. They attacked me, but he called me beige, rage, beige, beige, everything under the suns because of you.

But if I say black anything to him, yeah.

You can't do it.

Why I'm black, but what you are black exactly? So what's the problem.

But this is what I'm talking about, the.

Fact that even a Dominican, I'm not Dominican.

Stop it, better stop claim stop it. Charla Mane, I gotta s here.

You look more Dominican than thank you. You've been to Washington Heights Lanting.

What Omar said is so true, and it's amazing to me that most things that are man made take you out of alignment.

Yep.

And I don't understand that. I mean, it makes sense though, right, it does make sense. That's why when people get caught up in this AI, I'm like, it's been made so the flaws in it, we just can't see it.

Yet. It ain't nothing to trip over, you know what I mean. And it's about.

Being in tune with who we are and who we're here to be and what is our purpose? And our purpose is to spread love and spread positive energy. And you get to a point where we all are we still have ambition, We still have drive, but we pushing. It's a hell of a thing to be pushing for yourself and then push for others. When you're pushing for others, now you're really serving your purpose. And it's a really

Oh, I get the less I want.

Here you go, you know, because things that I actually want money can't buy or not superficially, you go in shape or form.

There you go.

All right, we got more with Omar Epps. When we come back, don't move. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Club, puting everybody. It's DJ n V, Charlamagne, the Gods. We are the Breakfast Club. We have Laura la Rossa here, our special guest host. Still kicking with Omar Epps. But you having three kids, would you want your three kids to be in the industry acting or music? Would you want them seeing what you've seen? Because you've seen behind the scenes, you pull the curtain back, So would you want.

Them to do that?

I mean, I'm human, so I think whatever whatever it is, I don't care if you race car drive them Mechannon must drought like we all want our kids to do something other than what be great, Yeah, I mean, be great at that thing. But underneath it all, I just want them to follow their passion, you know, whatever brings them joy. If it's you know, our youngest daughter, she's a singer songwriter, that's her gift. But she's putting in the work for it. And that's the main thing. You know,

See. It's good.

It's good in situations like that because mom and dad have been there, so you can guide where maybe you didn't have that guy because maybe your mom didn't know how to look at contracts and look know what to look for, you know. I mean, so it's good that you're there, but it's just, you know, it's it's a difficult thing because you're like, damn distressed that I went through dealing with this in the industry.

Yeah, but you know what, what you're saying is right in that sense, but realistically it's a totally different world because this is a completely different universe from selling a physical record to a stream and the business in between that. Correct, it's a whole different world. So it's like, yeah, your moms did that, but not like this is.

She like, are you guys like managing?

Yeah?

Like you A mom's not right here.

She's a heavy handed advisor. That's what's your.

Favorite method of storytelling is the TV, the films, books.

It depends on the story, you know, Like like when I was thinking of Nubia, I saw film, I saw television, I saw all these things, but I knew that's not the delivery system. Right now, you know what I'm saying, You're gonna have to crawl through this process. Crawl and meaning a good thing. Like there's just so much story this that the depth of the story can only be

There's a art to business.

You know.

It just depends on you know, what you connect to and what makes you happy.

And for me, the prime goal is to is is like I've realized the weight of everything that I'm a part of is gonna outlast me. So why am I really doing this? Who am I doing it with? It's not just a self fulfilling thing anymore, you know what I mean. Like the greatest compliments to this day, the greatest compliments that I received was when people come up to me and say something that I was.

In, you know, helped them through or inspired them to I had a young.

Doctor come up to me and was talking about a show that I was on, medical shows on and they were just like the portrayal of that character helped them through a tough time while they were in med school ready to give up. And to me, that was like getting a million dollar check because I'm like, this is exactly what I do it for, you know what I mean?

Like to be able to pass on what was passed on to me.

I really didn't want to know how you wrap your mind around what's going on in twenty ninety eight.

I mean, it's to me, it's simple.

I think humans are going to human and then geographically like again, whatever happens in the next twenty thirty years.

There's going to be a world after that. So that's creative license.

Well it kind of looking at I mean, sadly, if we take a cue from what happened with Sandy, the lower part of the city would be underwater, and then same rules apply.

Where's all the money at now uptown?

All right, let's ramp that up a little bit.

More humans are fused with technology. Let's you know, you get to take creative license.

But the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Man, you know what I'm saying.

Like in the hood, everybody want to talk about new world or order. No, it's one world order. That's the actual term. And that's been for thousands of years. There's always going to be a group of few that try to control the many. It ain't nothing new. There's no conspiracy. It's right there, dead in front of your face. It's just how you perceive it, you know what I mean. But there's something to perceive as well, is that the victory's already won, and whether the listeners, whether you're a

Determined by your actions period, you know what I mean.

So you know, hopefully when it's my time, my actions will be met by the eternal glory.

You play so many iconic roles, does it ever body with Somebody calls you wanted the names from the iconic role, like I'm.

Sure you walk down the horns like you.

I love it. No, no, no, that doesn't bother me at all.

I'm when people call me like yo, Mac, I'm like, that's.

My man's and all that.

But I know we look alike, they say, but come on, bron like Mike, Like Mike, that's correct.

Well I'm like, come on, yo, Like that's the like, where is this happening?

Like it's just random?

Like sometimes I wonder if people are just It's like if someone saw you, and they're like.

Oh, I know that.

Somebody Marschner, but nobody have heard. Mars Chestner said that.

You know what the chess and I said, somebody called him Charlamage on JENNI budget.

So you said he gets mistaken for me?

That's God, damn lie.

Do you see tell me?

God?

Why are you upset if you signed Dominican in him?

Do you see it?

Knock it off? Definitely? Yeah. I gotta take him up to Washingtonians. Gotta go.

Now we demate about who your favorite, who the best character was? I think your best role with Jay Reed and Too Deep. I think that's a very slept on roll. How about I haven't done it yet?

Oh okay, well there you have it. It's Omar.

Absolutely appreciate you for joining us.

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