The Black Effect Presents...: Convo with Travis Scott

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you get your podcasts. Thank you for checking in. Travis Scott, what's up, brother? What to do? How you feeling? Uh? You know, um, as you I've been on about like different type of like emotions, you know, emotional roller coaster. I mean, um, it gets so hard because you know, I'm so I always felt like connected with my fans and you know, I went through something you know, and I feel like fans went through something and people's parents went do something, and you know it really you know,

it hurts. It hurts the community, hurts a city. And it's just been a lot of thoughts, you know, a lot of feelings, a lot of grieving m and just you know, trying to get you wrapped my head around it. You know, I really just really wanted to be there, um and just you know, wish you could just kind of like hold everyone, you know, um, kind of just healed them, talk to them. I have conversations, Um, you know, it just it just you know, it really hurts. Man.

What's your what's your intention with this conversation? Like like what do you hope to get out of this or what do you hope to get out I don't personally have an intention. I just feel like something happened and I feel like it's just, um, I needed just a way to kind of like communicate, you know, one. You know, the families are grieving, you know, as fans that experienced something,

as fans that came to a show, you know. And I feel like I just have like a I've always been that person always see things through the people that shared experiences with me, and you know, it's just things happening, you know, I just kind of, you know, it's been such a such a time and I've just been trying to just really figure things out, you know, and I know you, I'm sure you're experiencing remorse. But was there any hesitation to have this conversation because of the litigation

you may be facing? Well, I mean yeah, of course you got people it's just like, oh what like you know, but um, it's not about that, you know, it's you know, your artists, you whoever people think you are. At the end of the day, you're a human being. You know, you have emotions. Um, you want to communicate them emotions, you know, and trying to find the best way to communicate you know, how you just feeling, you know, how

have you been coping with the aftermath of everything? Just just just emotionally, just you as a huge I've been just in a room for a while, you know, a lot of thoughts and luckily, you know, um you have

people around that you kind of outside ideas. But it just been you know, I been doing this for such a long time, and you know, you nothing like this ever happened, you know, so it just kind of like you just kind of figuring out and at the end of the day, like these fans of your family, so you just feel like you lost lost something and you just like you go. You do these shows honestly to you know, for people to have the best experience, you know,

and just to think that something like this happened. You just trying to figure out you know, you know, just wrap everything around. And so even just for the first couple a couple of weeks, you know, it was just me sitting down, but I had to really channel these emotions to just remember, like, you know, if no one's gonna be a voice for these people, I gotta like kind of step up and kind of like be a voice to just figure out that, you know, this isn't

happened in the future. The show is period, you know what I'm saying, or figure out the bottom solution of what's going on, and just trying to ensure its people, you know, safety and what they're doing. You know, you said you was in the room, but then people saw you had at the golf course. Yeah, but with Michael Jordan, Mark Wahlberg, what what was that? Um? It was just Thanksgiving? Um,

you know they were there. You know, it's just good people to have around in the community, and you know that was just more like a personal time, just trying to get around. I think like some fan came and asked for a photo. But yeah, let's talk about that night. Man. When when did you When did you find out things got as bad as they did? That's that's the question everybody wants to know. Yeah, it wasn't really until like minutes until like the press conference, until I figured out

exactly what happened. You know, Um, even after the show, you know, you're just kind of hearing hearing things, but you don't know, I didn't know the exact details until

you know, minutes before the press conference. And even at that moment you kind of just like wait, you know what, like you know, you just went through something and it's just like wait what you know, So you didn't know people that actually passed away, wow, until minutes before you know, just yeah, you know, and at the thing, it's like, you know, people pass out, you know people, you know,

things happen at concerts, but something like that. It's just like, yeah, people said they are collectively they collectively heard folk scream and help every time you stop the song to get your attention. Did you did you hear any of those screams? Nah? Man? And you know it's so crazy because I'm not I'm not artist too. Like, you know, anytime you can or

something like that, you want to stop the show. You want to make sure, you know, fans get the proper attention they need, you know, And anytime I could see anything like that, I did, you know, you know, I stopped like a couple of times to just make sure everybody was okay, and I just really just go off the you know, the fans energy as a collective, you know, call a response. And I just didn't. I just didn't hear that. You know, I got music a couple in years,

but I just didn't. I just didn't hear that. You know, break that down a little more like Nope, nobody knows what it's like being on stage except for other artists will speak to us from that perspective of what you can see in here. It was like fifty thousand people. Yeah, I mean, you got like a video, you know, feel

like fifty thousand people. But it's like a see you got lights, you got sound, you got pyrot, you know, you got your interears, got your sound, got your mic, you know, got the music, you got band is all type of you know, stuff going on. So it's hard. It's hard to tell excitement from from from dangerous or to speak. Of course, everything kind of just sounds the same. And at the end of the day, you just hear music, you know, and when you do, you just hear amongst

the things you know. But you just when you're in the show, you just into the show, and anytime you can feel anything closely, you know, you try to like definitely get to that. So so as an artist, how much can you actually, I guess helping that position. You can only help what you can see, you know what I mean. And then what you know, whatever you told, what I'm saying. Whenever it somebody tell you to stop, you just stop. But just wasn't it was It wasn't

that night, huh. You know, raging. Raging has been a part of the culture, you know, of your shows. You know, you didn't on this night, but in the past you've encouraged I guess the kind of energy that could have led to something like this happening. Do you think that

contributed to the energy of this night? Yeah? Nah, I think, you know, it's something I've been working on, you know for a while, um of just creating these experiences and trying to show like the experiences happening in a safe environment. You know, us as artists, we trust you know, professionals to make sure that you know, things happen to people leave, you know, safely. You know what I'm saying. Um, and

it's night just like a regular show. You know, it felt like to me um as far as like you know, the energy people, it didn't feel like it was like, you know, people didn't I don't people didn't show up there to just be harmful people just I think showed up to have a good time. And then you know, something unfortunate happened, and I think we really just got to figure out, you know what that was. You know, does raging make it harder to identify when something is

going wrong in the crowd? Well, I think, you know, raging is just a you know, they have a textbook, you know definition. But you know, in concerts, we've grown it to be just experience of having fun. It's not about just oh, harm, It's not about that. It's about just letting go and having fun. You know, help others, no love each other. It's not about just you know, harm, That's not what it's all about. The show isn't just

rambunctious for an hour. You know, that's not what it is that Trust me, I grew up on crunk, So you know, I understand. You know, you just don't you don't want it to get two out of hand. Yeah, but you know the code. You know, energy is high, you know, and you know, and that's why you want to just make sure that, you know, people are surrounded, to make sure that people are just having the best experience.

You know what I'm saying. You know, I can't say the energy is high, but you know you want to make sure that people are there for people to have like the best experience in league. Yeah, you want people to have a good time. You want people to get yeah at all. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, God a bid passed away, and you know it's typical for you to stop a show to make sure fans in the

crowd get to help, you know, they need it. Even footage that night of you doing that during the set where you unable to sense like a difference in urgency this time I run, I mean yeah, because you know you stop the show. But you know, you know, if someone's gonna happen, if it's something detrimental, somebody's gonna let you know, you know, or you know, the show just stop. And you know that just wasn't the case. You know,

I just kind of stopped the show. You know, you just asked, you have a call in response with the fans. Um you try to, you know, generally get a response, but you know, if you don't get like a hard stop, you know, it's just you can't. You just don't you just go off of what's going on, you know, which makes it so like so crazy because like, you know, if I feel like, if you know, anyone wouldn't know, and it would have just been like it wouldn't have

gotten far. You know, what headspace were you win when you posted that that initial that initial response video. I mean it was I think it had to been the night of you know, um, so I was just in a headspace of just trying to get a communication out to my fans, you know, and I had literally no information, you know, so I was just trying to figure it out and just communicate to them. You know. Yeah, I was just reacting just literally just to get something to

the fans. You know, it's people that showed up. Do you regret that initial video. Do you regret reacting in that way or not, like not having all the information before you said something. I mean yeah, because you know, you just don't know what's going on. But at the end of the day, I don't, you know, I just wanted to get something out. You know, how my message came out, I can't you know, I can only go

off for that, you know what I know. But my Truman titchs of it, you know, was really just trying to get a message across. And you know, I really wanted to just touching the fans, touching the families, you know that we here were grieving and we would get through this, you know, through this process. So what did you know in that first video? I mean, at that time, I think we just knew that you know, people passed. You know, um, we didn't know how you know that

it was you know, the news. You know, I think police came out and said something. Um, you know, you're just going off of what you're seeing in the in the in the news. You know, you don't really know nothing. And then as it did go on, you started collect a little bit more information. They said there was there was like chaos and trampling being reported since the early afternoon, like like hours before the show even started. Were you

informed of any of that ahead of time? Well, no, like um and um you know, the police he came, he came in um to my trailer and you know, he congratulated me on you know, the event and you know having something like this in Houston. He let me know that it was you know, mishap at the merch boof earlier. You know they shut it down, what they opened it back up. They she even got it under control. You know, he was gonna step out and just let us know if we need anything, you know, have a

good show. That was it. You know a lot of the criticism, you know from the tragedy they say is and the poor planning and understaffing of the end of the event. As an artist, do you have any involvement

in any of that? Well, I mean we just as an artist, you just do the creative and for this being my festival, you know I got you know, bring artists you know creatively produce it and you know we're just trusting you know, the professionals to kind of just make sure that you know people, you know, taking care of and you know, leaving safely. You know, I just can control what I can on the stage, and then you know you have the professionals control what they can

in the crowd. You know, it's just hard because as an artist, you know, you want to have like the best shows and you want to have the best experiences, and you you know, you link with professionals to handle that side of it, you know, and you know, you want to know what's going on. I think that's what we got to figure out, you know, and figure out what happened there, how that happened. You know, you spoke on the Houston Police chief. His name is that Troy Finney.

He came to you and he said he voiced concerns over the crowd energy. So what did you and your team like do with that information? Well, I think that's what the media. Um, I think that's what the media said. But I think I think it read too more so that he wanted us to He knew that our crowd was, you know, the type of crowd it comes, it comes to a heavy crowd. So to communicate with him if

we were doing anything outside of the week's itinerary. You know, Um, that week we were doing like a lot of charity stuff prior to the festival, so you know the security at most of the events. But you know, he was just letting this you know, I guess that statement. He was just saying, if we do anything outside of what we had on our itinerary, let him know. But you know, we didn't even get to that point. It was crazy, just you know, being a kicking it with you for

a little bit. Like I can see that, you know, this is Wayne real heavy on it. Yeah. So so how much do you do you feel a sense of responsibility for what happened at night? Well, you know, fans come to have a come to the show and have a good experience, you know, Um, and I have a

responsibility to to figure out what happened here. I have a responsibility and figure out the solution, you know, and I gotta and hopefully this takes the first step into you know, us as artists, you know, having that more

insight of what's going on, you know what I'm saying. Um, and you know, the professionals to kind of you know, surround and figure out more of an intel, whether it's tech, whether it's you know, more of a response whether it's whatever the problem is, you know, um to figure out that and and and a few before the concert safety

make sure that's never happened again, you know. But let's talk about those professionals, like how much how much responsibility do you think, like Live Nation and score more the promoters having all of this, I mean, you know, they do their job of you know, setting these things up. So I mean I think you know, they they when we dial into what you know, specifically happen here, I feel like, you know, even they can kind of help, you know, figure out what happened in the sense um

you know. But at the end of the day, I think collectively everyone needs to just figure out the bottom line solution. But you know, especially in concert safety, you know, definitely got to have you know, make sure that you know, these things are you know, done right. You think he's festivals are too big, man, fifty dollars people with a lot of people for anybody to get their festivals that are bigger, you know, way bigger. And you know, I

just think it's not about the maximum of it. I think it's about the attention to us going on and how it's going on, and as long as that's handle, I feel like things can be you know, can go okay, We'll be okay, you know. But if you look at it through the history of festivals, you know, this isn't the first time having It's been a long history of this,

you know. So I feel like if you look at the overall you know, view of that, and you kind of like dolling, Okay, what can we do better to fix this overall for general concert safety, I think we figure out the problem, you know, and make it better for people to have better live experiences. Live Nation reportedly agreed to end the concert early after the Houston PD and the Fire Department declared that a match casity event,

but the concert continued for another forty minutes. With that, any ever, any communication to you on stage that you should in this, well, yeah, I mean it just told me right after you know, the guests can get off stage, you know, we're gonna end the show, you know, And that's what we did. No other than that, there was no other communication, you know, so after even after the guests what you mean, Yeah, after the guests comes out, Okay,

we're gonna we're gonna end the show. But It wasn't a communication on why, you know, it was just you know, that's what came through my ears. So they didn't say stopping now. No. Wow, you feel like people are forcing more responsibility on you because you are the front man because it was astral World. Well yeah, I mean, you know I'm gonna you know, I'm the face of the festival.

You know, I'm I'm an artist, you know. Um, so yeah, you know the media is you know, they yeah, they want to you know, put it on me in But at the end of the day, it's like, I don't think it's more so about that. I think it's more so about um stepping up to figure out what the problem is. And I could take that. I could take you know, stepping up to figure out what the problem is. I could take stepping into figuring out the solution that had never happened to because that's what I generally want

to do in general, even just for my community. You know. The whole idea for why I brought this festival to the city was to you know, show that he'ston is something different, you know, and show that there's all different types of lives, is all different type of energy and just bring that morale to the city, um and just bring that energy to the city. So I definitely want to, you know, step in to figure out, you know, how can we fix this in the future, what can we

do to you know, change these things? You know. Do you feel like you did everything you possibly could to help in that situation? Yes, yes, anything I physically can't sure. Yes, you know, and and it and it and it just you know, if knowing you know what's going on, you know, you would just wish, you know, you know, if you

you know, could something better, you know. But standing there thousand percent, you know, we know that the families of the people who passed are definitely watching this right now, and you know, there's nothing you could say to heal the trauma these families who lost loved ones are you know, are going through. But being that you know they're watching, what would you what would you say to them? Directly?

I'll say to them that I'm I'm always here and that you know, I'm you know, I'm I'm in this with you guys, and I love you, you know, and I always you know, be there to help you guys heal to this. And I understand that they're going through you know they're grieving right now and finally understanding right now, and you know it's not just like a right now thing. It's for everything. And these people that came to the show, they are my family. And I've always had that connection

to the people. I feel like they listen to the music or came to my shows. And that's why I really, you know, it's really hard on me even just you know, to even like you know, and even because you know they ended up, they they they lost they lost their loved ones, you know, so it you know, it's it's tough, um.

And you know, I just want to always just be there for them and just always just be able to just know that I'm gonna fix this for the future people, you know, and and fix this solution, um, and fix this problem, I mean, you know, um, and find a

solution to make sure that this doesn't happen in the future. UM. And definitely be a number one voice for this, you know, because you know, I feel like that's like one of the what we what we gotta figure out because other than that, it's like, you know, the show goes on tomorrow, you know, something goes How does how does this get fixed? Just could happen again, It's happened before. Yeah, Yeah, I'm

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for checking in your your father. You know, God forbid when your kids are age, if they're in a situation like this, you know what you do put yourself in those parents shoes right now? What would what would you want to see come of this situation? If you want to see people put their heads together. I want to see people really figure this out, not take this lightly, you know, um, and really act on it um. And that's you know,

that's one of the main things that's important. I feel like they got to just act on it. It can't just be like something that happens and and just roll over. We got to be something that's taken serious and address seriously and things formed around it. Time and a lot of a lot of time and a lot of you know, thinking power is spent on this, you know and really fixing you know whatever system. But this needs to be fixed, you know, from the lawsuits to the media coverage. Do

do you feel like you're personally under attack? I mean I mean, I mean yeah, I mean you see a name in it and it and shit, and it's like but you know, at the end of the day you step in these you know, you step you want to do a festival, and you know when we want to do things and you want to build up. You know, it comes with certain things, right, So I think it's

all about how you respond to it. And I think it's all about how you react, right, So I could feel that way, but I think more so about it's more about how I feel about the response that I that I that I'm that I care about more so, which is you know, actually, you know, trying to step in and you know, really step up to really fixing what's happening and and really step up for the safety

or concert cours people in just live spaces period. I wonder, I wonder, is there a way to even prepare for this, because nobody, like you said, when you're doing the planning for a show like this, nobody is planning for this to happen. So how do you how do you even prepare for something like this? That I don't know? And I feel like when we get I feel like, when it comes out a little bit more how this could have happened, I feel like that's how we can kind

of attack that. But even I was thinking of ways like tech solutions. You know, people come into these festivals with these bands that only scan you in right, you have you know, you have all type of tech now that contract your heart, contract your you know, oxygen levels, contracting sick. You can put things now if you're gonna be you know, get lost. It's all type of ways now.

I feel like that can be the band that only gets you access to entry, or to the food line or two food trucks can now be solvable to helping save lives, you know, can now be more of a response to people that are now on site and on ground. I feel like that could be a way, or you know, even just figuring out what the exact solution, what the exact problem of it was, and dialing more into that, I think you can kind of I feel like there is a way. I just think it needs to be

time spent on figuring that, figuring that out. Have you been able to have any personal conversations with any of the families who lost levels? I was able to um, but you know, I just want to just respect that, you know, the privacy of the conversation, and I'm thankful for them for even allowing me to have the conversation. How did you feel when some of the families rejected

your offer to pay for the funerals. All things are understandable, and you know, at the time, they're grieving and they're trying to find understanding, and you know they want answers, and it's not about it's not about that, you know. Um, I'm always gonna be here, you know, to want to help them, you know what I'm saying, And and it's it's not gonna you know, I gotta continue to show

up for that, you know. Um, I just wanted to make sure that they knew that I was there for them, you know what I mean, they continue to be there for them. Um. I think that's just more so what it's about for that. Um yeah, some people say, um, your your your music played a role in this, Like I've seen them, you know, cite lyrics you know that encouraged just kind of behavior. I've seen them say your music is demonic and this was a satanic ritual. You think your music is to blame. I mean no, I'm

I mean one of them a man of God. So that's the first thing first, and um, you know, so it's just yeah, that's that. And you know your music is just like self expression, you know what I'm saying. And at these shows, I feel like people kind of like look at things. And if you've been to a Travis show, it's it's been different layers of shows. You know. I think people are just you know, misconceptions and taking me the seeing and you know all type of things.

You know, um, And I've I've took pride in trying to you know, grow from where I was when I first recorded music to now where I'm going in music. So yeah, I just think people gotta and and that's one thing with me. It's just people gotta kind of um, you know, experience it sometimes. And I think that's what it was. You know, people were kind of like even before people were hearing about it, to come and experience it and taking away their own thinking. It's always going

to be an outside opinion. But you know, for the ones that you know really believe in me and you know understand what you know, what I'm about and what I'm doing. No, that's not that's not what I'm you know preaching. I always preach like love, Always preach your understanding, always preach you know, take care of your love ones, love each other, you know, what I'm saying, get out your ideas, never let never let yourselves be stopped, you know, love one another and step into that, you know. I

mean I think that's a part of it. But the music does encourage people to be violent at these shows. I mean, I mean that's what the rage is about. I mean, most of the music is it's me sometimes talking about what I see at the shows. You know what I mean. If I'm talking about the shows, you know, and so it's just that's just you know, the energy, you know what I'm saying. But the energy isn't to come and start, you know, being ultra violent and just

being violent and hurt each other. That's not It's not what it's about too. It's more so supposed to be entertainment. Yeah, it's everything is you know, and it's about what you experience at you know, at the shows and what you see. You know, what has changed the content of your muse moving forward? Do you think you know what happened? You know what happened to here? It wasn't off Travis Scott music. It wasn't. That wasn't Oh now you need to like

switch up. No, I mean I've made all different types of music music in the first place. You know, I'm never was just like one lane or one genre of anything in the first place. So I just think it's all about experiences. And I feel like, you know, you know, it could be music to come out of it. Um lyricism, just emotion. You know, music is emotion, um, you know, and music is healing and um. And you know you can just find healing and find emotion and you know

in that, you know, um, and just more progressive. You know, everything I'm trying to do is just more progressive. You said you're a man of God. And when I even said that, you know, they say your music is satanic. I saw the face that you made. What do you what do you think that even comes from Travis Scott is satanic? Travis scottis. I just think it's just things

people collect. You know, people look at the Internet and they just collect and they look at things, and they look at visuals, and you know, you have all these theorists and people just thinking they're looking at visuals don't understand, you know, just the idea of like what art maybe, or what what you're trying to do. You know, they're just making up your own message, especially when you're not out there like yelling the message all the time. You know,

it's just yeah. And when they say this is a community event after the world, Yeah, so they say a community eventage the Satanic ritual? How does that? Yeah, It's like it's it's it's it's crazy because you know, it's like I do this for people to have a good time. You know. We have rides, we have games, you know, it's things for people to get off, creative experiences. It's not you know, the show is at the end of

the day. You know, it's like you know, and that show is just something based on on what's you know, just these things. You know, it's not like like why wo we wake up one day and just trying to It's just that's evil. It's not what we are part of.

Not trying to be a part of that. We're trying to be a part of joy, trying to be a part of light, trying to be a part of full blown happen It's love, you know, understanding people taking care of each other, you know, community, people to leave from these experiences and want to go out and do good. It's literally what we want, you know, we want to show to these things. You know, we put everything into it.

You know, this is you know, this festival. You know, this is our third year, you know, so we try to put you know, we every year, we put everything into the festival so people can enjoy it. You know, it's not about even just come perform that not that, you know, it's things for them to do all day and different artists for them the experience too. Have the trauma of just tragedy impacted your desire to perform in the future. I've always seen performances of art of healing

for me. That's why I've always been so into it. You know. I don't know if you like, you know, looked at like some of the growth from where I'm trying to take performance, I've I've always tried to. I feel like it's an art of healing, and I feel like it's a moment where people have a mutual understanding, you know, And I feel like the first things first before anything is that we address you know, a lot

of safety concerns. I think the first things first is that because not even just for me, you don't want other you know, artists to have to go and take a part of that trauma, to take a part of that experience. Take a part of that, you know, that fear. You don't want console girls to still be a part of that fear. They want you want you want them to feel safe, you know what I'm saying. So I

think that's just the first things first. And I think once we take major steps into moving in that direction, you know, I feel like, you know, it could be cool to for for people to practice that healing again, you know, and understand that. I don't think people should run away from it and shy away from it. I think, you know, it's it's a it's a form of healing.

You know. You know, no matter what you do at any of your shows in the future, regardless of how much security, how much safety you put in place, you cannot control human behavior. Yeah. Yeah, you can't control forty people doing whatever it is they do. Is that stay? I mean yeah, But you know you also put trust in the fans too to you know, just have a good time. You know, you just reinstill that and you know,

you continue to practice. You know, when you're on stage, should just remind them, you know, um and even when they're there, to just constantly have messages to remind them, like Yo, look, you here to have a good time, We're not here. If you see somebody you know, help another you know, Um, I think it's just continue to reinstill that message. I think, help that mindset if Yeah. So after a while, was one of you know, several ways you gave back to Houston. Do you think you

you know, lost that privilege to do that. To be honest, I haven't really like thought about that because I've just been thinking about just community healing and you know, the families healing and you know, all those things kind of building back up. Um, that that could take forever. Though. You know, I don't know if you ever truly hell yeah from these type of situations. Yeah, and you know, but you know, through these things, you know, like I said,

music is part of healing. And at the end of the day, Um, I don't I just don't you know, a Travis Scott show or you know, an asture or show, you know, wasn't the bottom line factor of what happened, you know, And I think we just got to figure out what that was what happened. But you know, having a Travis Scott show and we've done shows you know, all over that wasn't the you know what happened here.

You know something that happened here, you know, and that's why I want to fix it, because it can happen anywhere, you know what I'm saying. And I think once we get further along in that, I think, you know, you know, it would be more a little bit more receptive. I feel, just just you as an individual when you perform again, what precautions will you take moving forward? Just you just based on what you can personally control, precautions would you

take moving forward? I'll do the same thing i've you know, been doing, just double you know, making sure everybody is on post and you know, I'll do the you know, double down and just making sure that everyone is locked in, everyone is aware, everyone is on response, everybody is on you know, on it, you know what I'm saying, and look out. Try to you know, if you felt like it wasn't there, more pushed for it to be more.

Push the call and response more with the fans, like what you mean, like y'all okay or you know, or like you know, try to have some sort of call and response with the fans while still being smooth in the performance. At the end of the day, it's still

performance are right, you know what I'm saying. Um, And that's why the whole general, whole idea about this is you want to make sure that is all these factors are done before we even go in cit these things, you know, um, because you want to just when you go in, you want to have the mindset that, okay, people are gonna be okay, we can have a good show.

If anything's going down, people are gonna be right there to be the first one to get to him, you know, and if it's gonna be in the communication, it's you know, communication. But you know, I think, yeah, when you did stop the show, how did you see that one person? I mean he was right there. You know, you had like you had people like just spread it out, you know, And so I'm looking and I'm like, oh, so I just called down and you know the medics just came in, responded,

got him out. You know that's the only one you saw that, Yeah, it's only one I saw. And then you know when I seen the lights in the back, you know, I just double check make sure everyone's okay. You know, I got a response to everyone's okay. Yeah. How normal is that to see ambalances and everything else

at these facts. Well it was it was lights, so you know, an ambulance don't really have like red and blue lights, you know, as you thought of I don't, you don't know, you just you're just looking at his lights. That's why I acts. I'm just like yo, it's an ambulance. It's like what's going on. You don't know if it's like somebody got to light something doing, you know, doing some turn, you don't know, you know, but you know they didn't get a response, so you know, you know

you got a response to fans. You know that I actually want to put her hand up um, and then you know they're get a response for anything else. So just carried on. Did it make you feel judged when you see videos, you know, circulating the other artists stopping their shows like to check on fans since since after World, because it's almost like the insinuation from other artists that like, you didn't do enough, So we don't want to be

like TRAVI. I'll take it as you know, they're just taking extra precautions, you know, because it might not have been something that you know, it's running though their mind at time before and they're just taking extra precautions to you know, make sure they don't run through the same same problems. And I commend them for that. You know, I've always done the same thing, you know, in my prior shows and at the show, so you know, I

feel them, you know. I just think it's been a little bit more people are more capturing now, like because of what's going on. I think that's just how the media works. Do you feel like your team right now is allowing you to do everything that you possibly could do and as far as what this, as far as like anything regardless to the situation, you know, speaking out well, reaching out to families whatever, well, yeah, you know, you

know it's a lot of league go into it. But at the end of the day, I'm you know, I'm human, So I want to do so much to try to like help and heal. And you know, you want to

give time for people to heal. You want to give time, but you know, I want to be able to like go and start taking these steps to you know, addressing these you know, these problems and you know, getting to the solutions, you know, addressing the solutions and addressing ways to fix these things from happening in the future, Like um, and I think that's the main thing. And I've always took a I've always took pride in trying to lead things and go and attack things and you know, be

the first to jump out and go do it. You know. So I'm I'm more than you know, happy enough to go. But but then there's the person Travis Scott. But then there's the business, the Travis Scott. I'm sure there's a lot of people around you trying to protect the business. Yeah, so for you personally, like you know, how much do you want to protect the business as well? Well? I mean at the end of the day, like people have to understand, these businesses aren't built because you know you

Charlotte Magne and home Travis. So it's like I've always cared about, you know, the fans. I don't give but you know, it's about them, you know. So it's like obviously it's like business and this, but I've always been the one that's like pushed back on vocally like yo, you know, we gotta you know, this is about you know, the fans and you know the team is always felt the same way. Um and so and anytime I've ever

done anything corporately, that's just I I've always been. It's just like yo, we want to go do things to make sure that the people that are experiencing this product is having the best experience. It's not about you know, what we could do, like the numbers, like you know, that's not what we chase here. We chase for people to have the best experience. You know. We want people to have enjoyed ourselves. We want people to walk away with like just ideas like well this is like you know,

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no permanent friends. Our enemies in business, So you know if anybody decides to back away from Travis Scott on a corporate level, do you care? No? But um, I've never jumped into things with people that didn't know me. So everyone I surrounded myself with, you know, it's always been you know, a backbone and you know, supportive anything I you know, I want to do to help fix anything that could be a good cause, you know. So

you know I'm thankful for that. You know, if the families are the victims, never forgive you, Will you ever be able to forgive yourself? Can you live with that? No? It's tough, you know, it's real tough, um, because I want them to really know that my intentions, you know, wasn't you know, it wasn't a harm their family at all. It's for them to come and have a good experience, um, you know. And I yeah, like you know, I've always feel like I have a connection with my fans, you know,

through the music. I feel like when they come to see me, and it's not just like oh they're coming, they're coming to it's like a connection. Um. And you know, sometimes not knowing, you know, people are not understanding like artists and where we come from that it could be a disconnect and you know, I would love to you know, instead of understanding and you know, for them to truly know my hearts from you know, it didn't come for them for me to harm, and it wasn't about a

show to keep you know at all. You know, it's a you know, it's about for them to have you know, one of the you know, a very good time and it's just tragic that it didn't turn out that way. You know. Do you feel like you're being villainised? I mean, I feel like it comes with being in the seat, you know, and I feel like they pointing the finger at me because it's my festival or they want to you know, it's I am who I am, you know, and it maybe not a lot of like understanding about

like what's going on. But you know, like I said before, I feel like I can kind of like take that um in a sense um because my whole career, I feel like people have been trying to do that and I feel like I've shown through actions that that's not my character, that's not you know, that's not who I am. I'm I'm shining through positive you know, um. And I

feel like, you know, with understanding and with everything. I feel like people understand that what my heart wasn't there to be the villain, you know, I was sad to be like a hometown hero, you know. The day before Astro World, UM, this footage of you discussing the importance of giving back to your community and how much it means to you to be able to do that. Do you think people have forgotten you know, your heart and

all this and what after World was truly about. You know, I think people are you know, grieving, and you can get I can get you know, misplaced with you know, who cares about that what's going on right now. But you know, like I said, UM, I just want to continue to you know, stay on those stepping blocks and continue to doing the charity I've been doing it, and continue to doing the community to work I've been doing Houston.

You know, Um, I was doing those things before and not looking for people to pat me on the back for him you know, I was just doing them just simply just to make a change. And so you wouldn't be surprised if people don't, you know, pay attention to some of those things throughout whenever you are doing them. But that's not what you're doing for really, so I feel like at the end of the day, you continue to do those things regardless, you know, you think you'll

ever be able to recover from this emotionally. You know, my grandmother and my dad, my mom, they've always told me to, you know, put your faith in God and how behind this wing. Um. And at the end of the day, I think you gotta I've always told myself, you know, things aren't gonna get it's hard. You know, things can be feeling amazing sometimes and things can get real hard, you know. And I think how you respond to things and where you channel your emotions is very important,

you know, especially at a time like this. And um and I gave you know it was it was hard for me to really because it was the first its first time anything like this I've even seen anything like this hurting me and be happening, you know, to this whole community. You know, Um, it just it just you know, you kind of just you want to be able to channel that emotion to just respond. And you gotta be

strong man. Um. Stepping in and doing the things for the community doesn't come with being you know, too weak. You gotta be able to you know, step through these things and show people that you really you really care. You know. This wasn't just to get to the point to do this, but it was really to create active change, you know. And I think you know these are you know, it's these moments right now where you gotta really show,

you know, where your heart is in this thing, you know. UM. And I think you know that's what I've always you know one wanted to do and you know I want to just continue to do that. I'm glad you mentioned your family because that was one of my one of my last questions, like how important this family been in this situation? Uh? You know it's been important, you know. UM, you know, you know all my family was there too,

you know, so it's been important. UM. But to be able to have them and bounce back you know ideas and you know them, grieve with you know, for those families as well. UM, pray for those families as well, continue to you know them also being a help in hand as well, you know, UM, which gives me more hands to help. UM. I feel like which is more important? UM? And you know, you know them always having my back

to support the idea want to create this change. I think you know at least gives me more confidence that you know, I'm not in this alone, you know what I'm saying to um, help fix this, you know, for this, for the families, for the community as a superstar. It's weird, right because the same outlets that report on this tragedy, which something like the w cover leaps did not you want to get back to your relationship and whether you and you know Kylie together or not, is that not

strange to you? I mean, yeah, so I don't really like do only do magazines? I like, you know, but you know, magazine's gonna try to like figure out what the fuck they want to figure out, you know. I just I've never did anything for a relationship for it, you know, anybody to try to figure out and put a label on what they want to put it on. You know, we know what our relationship is, and you know, so I just stand strong on it. So I guess my final question, man, who do who? Who does? Who

does Travis got? Ultimately, I guess think is responsible for this traged You know, it's crazy because something tragic happening here and what's what what I've just been trying to, you know, get to the bottom of it. Is just what happened here, how it happened here. And you know, I think the families are old, you know that. I feel like, you know, the community is old that I feel like we're old that to just know what happened here. Um, And you know, I don't want to I don't want

to just speak too soon. I just want to figure out, you know, what happened, you know. Um. But you know, we, like I said, you know, as artists, we just leave this up you know, to you know, to professionals to make sure that we you know that fans are happening a good time every you know, people are protected and can you know, leave and have the best experience ever.

You know, they're going to pick this interview apart. So is there anything you want to say, you know, to your fans, to the family of people who lost loved ones, you know, before we get out of here. I mean, I just want to I want everyone to can just continue praying for the fans. Um. I want to continue. I want people to continue praying for the ones, the fans I was lost, you know, I want people to continue praying for the families. Um. I want people to

continue just reaching out for healing. UM, I want people to continue to just be there for each other, UM, and remember that you know that love is just you know everything, and with that, you know, we can try to cure everything, you know, and take steps into you know, healing.

And I think the more we try to, you know, continue to let people grieve and continue to be there for people and you know, check in more people and you know, checking on your loved ones and just you know that, you know, I think that's just like one of the most important things. You know, UM, stand strong to this while we you know, figure out what's going on, you know, and and bring understanding to these families and

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