Symba Talks "Results Take Time", Working With Dr. Dre, Label Switch, & More

phenomenal lyricists rapping today. First and that is not an understatement. First off, I got to send this shout out to my dog because you've been supporting me for a minute, and it's it's a lot of people that's, you know, at your stature, that feel like they gotta wait to something blow up to post it or support somebody. So I truly respect you on another level, not only just what you did for me, what you do in the therapy community, your book, everything. I really got a lot

of respect for you YouTube. I respect what you do a lot. And also my wiffle color a friend over. He's a legend in the game. And I saw Dave Chappelle showing you a lot of love too. That's my guy, that's my god. Dave actually brought me on stage. He had me like rapping for ten minutes or one of the specials. I think it's about to come out soon. How you meet Dave? Just so. I got a friend named Bum who I know through my homie cast and he works with Dave a lot, and he sent Dave

one of my freestyles. So Dave had like this, uh this premiere he was doing in Los Angeles. He was like, Mandell, somebody come tell her nigga pull up. So I came through and then we had a good night. We had a few drinks, and then he went back to the comedy store to do like a little private show. And then I'm just sitting on side of the stage. He was like, somebody, nigga come up here and rap. So I went up there a rap for like ten minutes. So it was it was dope shut out to Dave Man.

And it's not the fact that you just you can wrap that. You always have socially redeeming value in your wraps, Like there's always some content in that that makes you think when you that big meatch line, when you say big meat changed somewhere dope and Big Farmer Like god d I got that from. I shouldn't even be shouting them out because I'm giving them a free ad. Uh,

y'all seem Dope Sick Hulu. It's a show called Dope Sick on Hulu and it's about basically how they created oxycotton and it was showing how many people die from how it was prescribed. So they was trying to basically say that people was abusing the drug, but really they was taking the drug to how I was prescribed to them and people was dying from it in the eighties. So I was watching and I'm like, these motherfuckers so more dope than Big be the ones getting in troubles.

I felt like I had a responsibility to say something about it. So let's go back. Let's put because I don't know who Simba is. Yes, sir, where are you from? How'd you get into rapping? And you always say I know they say that you you. I guess growing up you love jay Z and Nas and Big, So let's start from there. So, so where are you from? So in front of the the Bay Area, front of the Bay Area, and my mom was a real estate agent, so My mom moved around a lot. She used to move around

from Trenton, New Jersey. I lived in Ben Salem for a little bit, Um Atlantic City, Vegas, LA. So we moved around a lot, and I would always notice that, like Bay Area music, it would hit a ceiling like it wouldn't really go past. So when I moved around as a kid, I'm like, damn, Like, I start wanting to write music and everything, and I was like, you know what, I gotta make my music connect to everybody, and um being on this side as a kid, I gravitated the whole a lot, just how he moved, the

things he said. I related to it, um big al even sauce money. I used to listen to a lot of money, you know what I mean. And that's just something that I wanted to incorporate in my music when I started creating for myself. What got you into rapping? Because they said you were nice in sports? Yeah? Man, I got caught cheating on my SAT test? How'd you get caught cheating? We ain't gonna talk about that. I had a nice young lady that was doing something for me and we both got caught up. So I couldn't

I couldn't go play ball after that. So through that process, I was sitting at the homie crib for a year, um stubborn, not trying to listen to my coach and everything. And I didn't even like my coach at the time. I still think that Nigga was racistaasketball, But um yeah, I just I was stuck in the crib and my homie crib, and he had a studio, so I just start rapping in his studio every day, and I fell in love with music more than I did with basketball.

At the time, I got tired of waking up at six in the morning going to shoot, so I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just do this and I just stayed at it, got good at it. I'm more concerned about the young lady, man, what happened to her? Don't don't talk about her. You gotta give her a job or something. Man, she cheated on me. You were cheating off. She could go to hill see all this

cheating down. So let me ask you this. So you also wrote for a lot of artists too, right, So what's your goal always for you to be the artist or did you enjoy being in the background more at first, my goal was just to get the job done like it was. It was times I used to be in studios, people thought I was just the weed man, but I used to just come through with the weed be talking to everybody rolling up. They'd be like, oh, that's the

weed man. They ain't even know our rap. So my job was just like I always looked at it, like do what you gotta do to get to where you want to be. So if I had to write for somebody, if I had to hold somebody bags, if I had to turn the session up and just be the fun person in the room, I was down to do whatever I had to do to get to where I want to be. So that's how I ended up writing because a lot of people, you know, don't write their wraps. So you know, I came in to write a lot

of rape people. You're surprised by that, the amount of people I didn't write their own music, I would say, what surprised me more was, um, people that can't rap not writing their rapscause they got a good Yeah, That's that's what shocked me the most. But at the same time, as I'm learning this is a business, right, So you got shows, interviews, you on the road sometimes you really ain't got time to sit down and write, dog write or goddamn day like that. So I had to learn that. Um,

just even for myself. I'm starting to look for writers to write for me because I ain't got time to just be sitting in the studio no more. You have hooks and just ideas period. Yeah, not versus. I talked to Quentin Miller last night. Shut up, man, I'm serious, I talked to him last night. You're talking. No, I'm gonna always write my verses. I just out everything. I write everything, like all my verses, all my freestyles. I write everything. But at the same time, it's things I

may miss. Somebody might have an idea or something that I'm not thinking of, you know what I mean, And if that could compliment me. It's a business. We need to hit records. I just ain't trying to be freestyle man, mom. And I'm so glad you said that, because I always when I first heard you, right, this is a while ago, I'm like, Yo, this dude is really dope. But I

hope he can make songs. And I'm old enough to remember these super lyricists that we used to love day freestyles on the coupe, mixtapes and everything, but then they couldn't make songs. Where are they now? Where are they now? Right at the end of the day, this is a business. People know I could rap, but I'm growing, and it's like at this point, I gotta deliver records, you know, And that's what we're giving them. What results take time? This Friday is actual songs. I'm not just rapping on beats.

I'm rapping on records. I love the meaning behind the title of results take time. Then you got songs like Overnight and find a Way and Sacrifice. It all tells this story of results taking time that you feel like you're getting the results you're looking for. Definitely, Definitely. I'm somebody that embraced the process all the way around. So it's like I remember doing shows in the Bay I had like three people in there. Moved la ain't nobody knew me. I do shows at the Roxy be about

fifteen people in there. I just sold the Roxy y'ard last month. Wow. So that was a real like accomplishment for me because it was letting me know, like, Okay, things is working and you're growing as an artist. Let's just continue to get better. You go from a sound like a own to go yeah you know, and so first it's unknomber. Now the status is you are striving to be the goat of all of this, and that should be the goal for anybody that who wanted to be second or third, or fourth or fifth. We all

in this to be number one. I'm sure when y'all got in this game, you all didn't look like I'm gonna be the third best person on you know what I'm saying. Content media is like, no, I'm here to be the best. That's that's what it's about. I was gonna ask you with moving around, of course, rest in peace to PMB. Yes, sir, we're moving around. You know. You said you were in Trenton, You said you were in Vegas, you were in Atlantic City, were in California.

You've been in New York the last couple of days. Talk to the people about New LA culture when it comes to streets in Lafite. Sometimes I think people when they go to La, it's sunny, it's beautiful, it's palm trees, it's nice cars, beautiful people, expensive stores, But they don't understand that it's it could get nasty. So the first thing you got to realize. I'm from the Bay Area, So the first thing I learned about LA is it's a different between LA and Hollywood. A lot of us

think Hollywood is LA. Hollywood is not La. That's Hollywood. LA is something different. It's protocol. It's people you gotta tap in with. You can't just move around LA thinking everything's gonna be cool, especially right now. You know, we just got out this pandemic. Niggas don't hit for that PPP money. They didn't got them loans, they didn't created a new lifestyle, got new cars and new cribs, and

they gotta pay for this ship. So everybody outside looking for somebody to get So we as artists, we gotta be more responsible about the things we do. Like security only costs shiit three four hundred dollars, you know what I mean, Like make sure you got a security guard with you. I think when you say tapping, you know that that term tapping has affected people for years, especially artists, because niggas got egos, right, they got egos and too

much pride. But I'm never too pride for to protect myself. I got a kid. I gotta get back home too, I got a mama, you know what I mean. So it's like I'm never gonna just be out here moving reckless or doing things that I just think I'm free. I got ship one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth for jury on. I'm not just feeling go. I don't even know if you want to say that. I'm just look, I wasn't wearing it last night at the Brooklyn jop out.

That's right, you're in the interview. That's real. That's right. That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna leave it the word needed to be. It's like, I'm not trying to flex on nobody to keep it real. I don't even like wearing this shit. It's just like a rapper costume for real. It's like a business card, you know what I mean. But I don't like wearing it because it's really kind of like a symbol, like stunting on your own people. It's like we get money to show people I got

more than you. It's like, I think that's some lame shit. I think I'm gonna stop wearing jury. I feel like you're saying, you know what, I want us to start flexing about, Like how many people were we were causing to get the work, you know, I mean, how many jobs are you creating backs for people? How many businesses are you creating to create an opportunity for the folks. That's what we need to start talking to backs, And that's that's the most important thing. Like I got my

best friend right here. We've been together since forever, you know what I'm saying. But it's like now he comes the streets like the street streets. He didn't been in a lot of ship jail, he'd been shot everything, but his mind on being an executive now, you know what

I mean. He was in the room last night with Julie Greenwald, you know what I mean, talking to Mike Kaiser now, So it's it's different, Like that's the goal is for us to make it out of these circumstances to provide more opportunities for the people we around and people we could bring up as well. Atlantic records that you just brought up, right, yes, um, so before that you were signed to Columbia. It was terrible, all right?

What makes it terrible? And what made you feel like, Okay, I'm ready to sign to another major Because sometimes people do a major label deal, they get so turned off They're like, I'm not doing that again. So how did you know that was the right situation? And what was terrible about Columbia? So when you when you're a new artist, like this ship don't come with no brochure, so the only way for you to get the information is to fuck up a little bit. So when I could, I customer. Okay.

So when I first got my deal, I realized fast like I'm not a priority, and I played this room. So I got my advance and I blew my money like in like three weeks old people. I had to pay certain things back when bar closed, when and bought a Maserati, when and got a new apartment. Everything. It was nice that it was nice, But at the same time, what I was supposed to do with that advance was

created infrastructure for myself. So when I got out of that deal and I got my new deal, the first thing I did bought a laptop, bought my cameraman a camera, hired a digital team, hired my own pr hied my own people around me that could help advise me to move forward rather than just spending the money on myself. And I think it's artists sometimes we gotta realize, like we just not rappers, were business right, and as a business,

you gotta run it like a business. You need people and play to help you sustain where you're trying to go. So that was one thing I learned. But also it was a regime change, so I can't say it was terrible because the people who brought me in was great. They just had left at the time. They went to a different label. So when they left, Columbia was going into a new business model to where they only wanted like TikTok artists, and they wanted like social media artists

and shit like that. And I feel like I'm a word of mouth artist. I'm somebody that you gotta meet, you gotta touch me, you gotta smell me, you gotta feel me. I'm not just gonna get on there and do a dance and then go up. So they ended up letting me go. I was independent for a little while, me and my homie trying to figure it out, spending money, and I ran into Dallas Martin, and Dallas Martin kind

of changed my life for real. That's like the first A and R that really like set with me and gave me the game and be with me to this day. We was together last night till four this morning, and he up at the office right now. That's my dog shout out to Dallas. You know, I like what you were saying earlier too, just about how you move as an artist, saying saying it's okay to have security, because we're a culture that literally bragged about being in the

hood with all our jewry on. With no security, yes, we'd be bragging about the wrong shit, Like, um, it's stupid to go around a bunch of kids and young men who fighting for these things, like they can't even really feed themselves, you know what I mean, and you round them with this big ass chain that's gonna make them feel some type of way. So you gotta protect yourself. You ain't being no sucker or you ain't being dumb. You know you're being smart, you know what I mean.

So you gotta protect yourself, like I have eyes, everybody to get security, especially today, because these young boys today like they different, they different, gonna run up on you

any place anytime, y'all. Seeing y'all seeing Philly, Philly, Reddit man, I was just in Philly with will on Gilly, my brothers Um, and they showed me this YouTube page called Philly Reddit, and it's like all these kids that's just like dissing each other and killing each other, like they literally doing the police job for him, literally don't care. They grabbing like ring footage from people's doors, stopped showing the person that walked the dude down four blocks. Then

it's like a whole investigation. Dan on YouTube, it's like, we gotta we gotta do better, man, we gotta do better. What's your thoughts on you know that this was big in the last couple of months where artists they're using the artist lyrics in court. I don't agree with telling them on each other though themselves. So it's two sides to that, right, Um, I don't agree with that because at the end of the day, as a detective or

police whatever, you still gotta do your job. So I don't think your job should be minimized to what somebody saying in their song. Now, the problem with that is if somebody actually dies and you get on a song and say where this person died and what you did and how I went down, that's your fault. That's what's happening though, that's your fault. It's not like people. It's not like they just listening to the wraps and saying, oh,

he just talked about killing somebody. Let's go it actually happened, actually happen. It actually happened. So if it's actually happened, and you can't you can't get mad at than people because you're making it a lot more easier. But if if they're using this against you and this is something you was enhancing or something that didn't really happen, and

I canna understand where it could feel unfair. But at the same time, if you're just getting on there just saying what actually happened, it's like, bro, that's your fault. I don't I don't feel bad for you at all. Now, what's your relationship with stat quote? Because on the project, say, man, you said he told you something that you wasn't feeling. I don't. I don't want to say, I don't want

to make it say it. I don't want to. I can't remember what told me my music would never hit And if I ain't have a gimmick, then people wouldn't give him a ship. Yes, it's crazy how nigga who ain't list to make you feel like you can't go where you trying to get. Now watch that quote, get that shot man, because stat and I got a love for Stat. Right. It wasn't like me trying to like

tear him down or nothing. But at the same time, right, he's an older black man and I was a young black man, still a young black man, but at the time, it's like, bro, don't just tell me where I'm going wrong without giving me some advice on how to get it right. You just tearing me down in front of people. So we used to be in these offices and he had just oh, you ain't got no identity. Oh you need to grow your hair out, you need to do this, you need to do it. I'm like, bro, why I

gotta do that? Like, what's what's another way we could do it? You can never tell me. He didn't know though exactly exactly, you know what I mean. So it's like, don't put what happened to you on me, Like, help me get it right as a young black man. Don't just tear me down in front of these people and ruined my opportunity because yours didn't work, you know what

I mean. So it was like I had to say something about that because I feel like this the first time in the world watching me, and I want them to know what I've been through. So what's the connection? Though, I was like, what's doing The Stat worked at the label I was originally, yet before last he was at Colombia Zan over there. Yeah, he had Little zan as his artists. I used to imagine me coming in office, rapping high wrapping. He got little Zan and you're telling

me what the funk I'm doing wrong? You got a point? You know what I'm saying, bro, get it right. You have to He heard that I heard recently. It ain't but my boy sent it to him because he cool. Was that he out there Marcus, but he sent it to him and he felt the way. But it's like I felt the way, you know what I mean when he was putting me on blast in front of these people, rather than like helping me trying to get it right,

he was just tearing me down. It's kind of crazy Stack called he's a rapper rapper, so it's like, I'm like, I thought I would feel like he would see you. Man. Stat used to tell me I'll never sell a ticket. I can't please that was talking like that. You ain't got no identity. You need to learn how to do this. You your clothes is terrible. What are you wearing? I'm like, bro, Okay, help me get it right. Don't just tell me where

I'm going wrong. Help me get it right. Jo for Stat, and I don't know the brother, but he might have been That's what they might have been telling him, for sure, he was coming up. For sure. I actually know Stat quote pretty well because I worked with on tour together and everything, and I remember his manager, Zeke, and you

know the things that Stat went through. And then I thought it was interesting when he did start going on the other side of things and being an A and R. No, but that was dope as as that making that transition. I feel like that's something we got we all got to understand. As artist is like music ain't gonna last forever, so you gotta do it again someplace else. Fifty did it in film and television, Jay did it in business, Kanye doing it in fashion. Stat did it in an

executive role, right, but as an executive. Bro, don't just tearing me down right, you know what I mean. Don't just tell me what I'm doing wrong. Tell me how I could get it right. I'm not no sensitive ass person I see, because I mean, you would like, just tell me what to do, just tell me what they're doing. I'm gonna get it right. But he would never tell me that he had just tearing me down. But not only that, you, I guess you look at it like

he was in your position. So the fact that he got power, he should be pulling up all the Yeah, I watch you do it with people like you were giving people real estate game. You know what I mean, you tell people where to get it right. There's a lot of people I didn't talk to this to say you Envy put me on this. So Envy didn't put me on that. That's what we got to do as a people. We already like what we like thirteen per

senator population, so we already out numbered. So it's important for us to kind of like give each other the information so we could get it right to move forward. You talk about Dallas and how as an an R he's really helped you a lot. So what are some things that Dallas told you that have helped you? Dallas is like, first off, I don't think No. A and R work harder than Dallas. Dallas, don't Dallas be at

the studio longer than the artist. It's times I didn't went home and went to sleep and he calling me at five in the morning with a feature he didn't put on the song. It's times where he didn't told me, Bro, you shouldn't put this in the video because you're gonna come across this certain way. You shouldn't speak about these things. Say it in a different way. Having an identity, understanding who you are as an artist, what's your message? Who

you speaking? To build your underbelly out first before you chase a hit record. So imagine A and R telling you that when they usually gonna tell you we need to hit, we need to hit, but atlantic they allow you time to develop. So Dallas always gave me the time to develop my family base and develop who who I was, especially within the pandemic because I had a big moment with the freestyles, Lebron posting me, Shaq posting me. But I can't go outside and do a show. I

can't go outside and host nothing. I can't go meet y'all. You know what I mean. I can't do nothing song. I'm stuck. So he had put me back in the studio. Okay, let's move forward, Let's try this, Let's try this type of song. People feeling this type of way in the house. Let's make something for that. Let's do a freestyle for that. So he's been with me like every step of the way, just giving me game, telling me when I'm wrong, telling me when I'm right, and I appreciating for that, and

I love never end up broke, you know. And on that record, you know, the hook is money can't buy back time, my nigga. Yeah, what does that line mean to you? Like sometimes like sometimes we get money and think we could go back and correct the things in the past, right, but it already happened. So it's like you gotta get that money and move forward and make sure you don't make them say mistakes that you made

in the past. You can't. Just like most people get brand try to go back and get the girl that turned them down. Like nigga, she passed you. You know what I'm saying, She run around with Julio Jones, like, go let her go, let her do. That sounds very personal, No it's not. I'm just saying. You know, I'm a time Brady fan, so I know you got Julio now, you know what I mean, So shout out the time of Julio Jones. But um, you can't go back in the in the past and change things because you got

money now. But you could learn from those things and let your money be applied to where it is you trying to move forward to. So that's that's really where it came. If you could buy it back time, what time would you buy it back time in your life? Would you buy Trying to build a relationship with my dad, I never got to really meet my dad. My dad went to jail when I was one, and he died in prison, and he died on some like some jankie shit Like we're still trying to figure it out, you

know what I mean. So I never really got like a father figure in my life. My mama was like both roles. So it's a lot that I feel like I could have. Um, I probably wouldn't have been a rapper if I had my dad in my life. I think, yeah, I probably would have done something different. But um me looking for a male father figure, I looked up the rappers, you know what I mean. I looked up the whole Hove taught me how to talk to women. Both taught me how to represent myself, and I learned that from

hip hop. Um, but not having a dad in my life, it kind of like hindered me a little bit. You know, I didn't go to college. That's something I probably would have did. Um. Respecting women a lot more, you know what I mean. Coming from the Bay, we kind of come from this pimp culture, you know, and ogs tell us do that. But it's like, man, that ain't it ain't really the way we should be operating now here as black men. You right, we did a lip service live in the Bay, and let me tell you it

was wow. I the guys and us, like all of us going back and forth. Ye just how they were talking and how we were talking about it. It was like a cultural thing. Yeah. No, we we got a crazy uh mentality the way we kind of seat the things in the Bay. Um. But I'm trying to like break that cycle a little bit because we gotta we gotta respect our people more. It ain't just about you know, women or men. It's about us as a hole, as

a community. So we gotta respect our people more. I don't think people should P and B Rock, you know what I mean? Rest in peace, P and B rock. I don't think somebody should lose their life because they gotta chain on, you know what I mean. You're gonna grab this chain, get what five ten thousand dollars from and spend that ship in two weeks and then you're gonna be looking to rob and kill somebody else. Like,

we gotta put more respect on our people. And that's only if you stay free, which I doubt's gonna happen, which exactly trying to find out they're looking at all the pun shops now to see who is going to turn in this chain and try to get that just made me feel like the cops don't have a have a lead, which is wild for something like that to happen in Roscols and the like with all them cameras, they've got to go wild Roscos though, they say people normally when they do that, they try to sell it

really fast. They're not gonna go to no pun shot. But the problem is they'll sell it to somebody. Somebody gonna say that they sold it to him. This person gonna tell somebody, that person gonna tell somebody, and before you know it, they caught up in an indictment. They didn't lost their life. Yeah, I was gonna ask, no, I'll go back to your father recause I'm glad that you you said that because there's so many men that are starting to have that conversation now about wanting that

connection with their fathers, you know. I mean I told people all the time. First time I had to break through in therapy was realizing that the daddy issues that I that I had. And I'm just like, I'm just glad that you're saying that out loud, because man, we'd be backing like fathers are disposable. Nah, bro we eat that. Like I just had a son, like my son two years old, so I'll be watching him just do little

things I do. Um, So it'd be making me aware of like, Okay, let me not smoking my videos, you know what I mean, let me not drink so much around him, Like, let me do certain things to where he could look at me as a role model. I ain't had it. I used to look to other men

for that. Like I remember when the All Star Game in two thousand, it came to Oakland, and Um, I went to the game with my cuddie h David and his dad, right, um, and I was just watching them, you know, what I mean, Like he like, look, son, we're getting autographs from like Kevin Gardonett and Shack and everybody. But he running up on him like, hey, you could sign this for my son? Who And I'm just like, damn, I wish I had that, you know what I mean? Like I wish I had somebody to do that for me.

But it was always my mama. And there's a woman like they ain't in the sports, you know what I mean, or like they've been in certain things we into as young black men. So it's like it's only so much she could tell me. So not having that in my life, I feel like it it hindered me a little bit to where I learned a lot of things later that I had to unlearn what things I had to unlearn. It I thought was the right thing you should do because I didn't have a male figure in my life

to tell me that. So is that why you took the name Symbol? Nah? That shit just came from me watching The Lion King too much, That's what I mean. Symbol lost move Fossil had to figure it out for sure. Still never watch the Lion King. You never seen the Lion King and she's never been to Disneylan. I went to the play out of Pocket, but I just haven't seen the movie. But you ain't never seen the movie. And they got a new one. You ain't even seen the new one. The new ones trash you out of pocket?

So why why why did you take the name Simbo? What about that character resonated with you? Well, originally I used to just watch the line King a lot as a kid. So my mom used to work like three different jobs. So I will always go to my grandma house and I had all my cousins over there, shut Out, Sway, Kenny, Danny, baby Al. I used to always be in Berkeley with

my family and um. I used to watch just the Lion King a lot, and everybody to just be like you little Simba, Like that's all you wanted to watch, a little Simba. So that was my name. When I was playing basketball, they'd be like little Simba. So when I stopped playing, already had the nickname, and I just ran with it. Wow, you know that movie is really if you know, I wrote about this in the last chapter in my book. It that's really the play of the black person in America. You know what I mean?

If you watched if you watch the linking. But you know what's crazy too, I'll be noticing, like he noticed, like all Disney movies be kind of starting off with death, like the character be dying in the beginning, and then the kid just kind of be trying to figure it out. Like I always wonder why that is. It's a good story arc, you know, because you get stay especially in the Lion King like that story in particular, like he's supposed to be king, like he was born to be

king King. It's like, yo, nobody taught him to be that king, you know so, but once he was just reminded. It was kind of like in his DNA, you know, they figured it out. We're going always fine. Words came out in the bay. Was the babe very supportive? Hell, because you don't have a bait a babe. Man, I went through so much, I say a line on the project. Kar told me I needed a feature from Cafani if

I wanted to support Canar. Was this program director in the bay from the time, and um, like I said, I would move around with my mom and I would notice we kept hitting the ceiling, So I'll bring my music up there, like yo, I'm trying to expand our salve. I'm trying to touch every region. They'd be like, Nah, that ain't it. That ain't it. You need something faster, You need a club record, you need this. I'm like, bro, that ain't who I am. You know what I mean?

We got artists to make music for the club. Let me make music for when they own the way home. Let me make music for when they're getting up in the morning and going to work. And people just used to like bash me for that a little bit, like I was doing something wrong. But the people rocked with me though, like the people in the bay always rocked with me. It was just the politics that looked at me like a weirdo, like I was doing something wrong or breaking culture when I was just trying to expand

it for real. Put us on the who Kafani is? Because I thought, you said, Ki, see how crazy that is and shout out to Kafani. Kafani is an artist. But like you just said, you don't even know who that is. But when I heard that line, I was like, Kalani, But they made me feel like I had to be him to make it up here. So he's an artist from the artists. Remember that song fast, like the NASCAR

NASCAR NASCAR fast. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So they used to tell me make records like that when I'm rapping like this, everybody had it, they had because I'm filled up feeling I'm fee they put me through it all. Do you still write for other artists now? Hell yeah, I can't tell you who, but yeah, I'm writing people's freestyles now when they go to the radio. Is it easier for you to write for other people than to write for yourself, like to tell made up fictional things.

It's way easier because a lot of artists, like with me, I have trouble making songs about nothing. So you know, some artists could just be in there talk about their car, how many women they got, how many shoes they didn't bought. I have a hard time making songs about that. So I'll be needing like a concept, what I'm gonna say, how I'm going to approach this. And then for some artists, like they just want some dope lyrics, you know what

I mean? So I just make a bunch of shit rhyme and give it to him and they rock with it. So who is your favorite MSS lyricists that you love? To listen to now Future Future Future is probably my favorite rapper ever. People sleep on Future so much. Remember remember when it was having that Mount Rushmore conversation and it was like Kendrick Drake J Cole, I'm like future facts of the last decade facts, no respecting nobody else

for future change culture facts. And I think because it's not the traditional way of hip hop, people look at it as if he not lyrical. But he's very lyrical. Like you really listen in detail what he say. He's very lyrical, and it's a lot that I learned from him, just slowing my pockets down, you know what I mean, how to reroute my words in certain things. So shout out the Future man. He definitely in my top five. I ain't reach out to him. Four re gonna take time.

I see you got a key glout going. Then you see Megan Stallion two fifty four feature. I ain't got that. You got Roddy Rich, but I guess y'all understand that's my dog. Though me and Roddy had a song before this one, we just couldn't get the sample cleared, so it never came out. But I've been knowing Roddy for a minute, and he always just rocked with me. Like Roddy was the one person that allowed me to like

have a course side seat to his success. So I was in there when he made every season, you know what I mean. Like I was in certain sessions Kifa, which is a part of his team, that's my dog. So I was able to actually see him go from like nothing to a diamond record, you know what I mean. And he allowed me to be in certain studio sessions and everything. And the way the record happened was through Dallas. You know. I had just came back from New York.

I was doing this what was he doing? Me? And Drama was in the studio doing them the Gangster Grills. I came back, I had this photo shoot that was like it was like a twelve hour photo shoot. I went to the studio, I was tired, went home, went to sleep. Dallas called me at like four in the morning. Roddy had just pulled up and he listened to the whole project front to back. He was like, Bromby to

jump on this right now. And that's actually one of my favorite verses on the project because he's actually telling me what happens at the next level, you know what I mean. So he telling me, when you get your Richard takes some time to process. You got to keep it prolific through the progress, stay solid for your dog on the foe yard, even if you pjed up with

the gold yard, you know what I mean. So like that was that meant a lot to me, just because Bro always rock with me, always rock with him, and for like mom moment he gave me that verse. Who's you connect with? Fronk? I know Roddy. Roddy was under Nip as well at one point. So who you connect with? First? Nipper ridycause I saw you on the Fax podcast The Fuzzy and Q shout out the fuzz and que for sure. I met Nip in like twenty twelve in Atlanta. I

met Nip twenty twelve. And this one, like, uh, cookies first came out, y'all know, burning so in the bay we had the cookies before anybody knew it. So Cookies, if you ever smoke it, it got this distinct smell, like you could just smell it. You could tell from anywhere it said, you know what it is? And we was in Atlanta and we were smoking in the club and then Nip kind of came over. He was like, hey, bro,

He's like, what what's that y'all smoking? You know, It's like it's because he's like, let me get some of that. I'm like, boy, you Nipsy, I ain't about to tell you know, weed, you got this ship? You feel me? So uh, we ended up smoking. He gave me his number. He was like, if you ever get back to La, hitting me up. And I straight up live to him. It was like, I live in La, live in La. And he was like, all right, well hit me when

you get there. So I flew back to the Bay like two days later, and my car was parked at the airport and I got in the car and I didn't even go home and get closed. I just drove straight to LA. And from the Bay to lais a six hour drive, so I just jumped on the road to LA and I got through the grape Vine. I texted him like, what's up, Broad, just landed back in La. Let me do. He was like, we're in there to night.

Pull up. Pulled up. He had the studio downtown knocked the verse out and he had this this wall full of books right and one of the books he was telling my cameraman demandre at the time, like, uh, pick any book you want, and Demandra picked the twenty two Immutable Laws of Brandon and that book changed all our life. That's when I figured out how to sell myself right, what my identity was, what I was gonna stand on. So that whole day of just meeting him was like

a whole life changing experience for me. And then every time when I moved to La I would see him. He remembered me. He always showed me love. It was a seven to eleven by the studio. I always see him there. He be like, what's up, bro, You're still doing your thing. I'd be like yeah. So he always rocked with me. Man, rest in peace to Nip. That's that's a real legend right there. You know you FaceTime me one day, man and you you you put me on the FaceTime with the super legend. Ain't even word

what what what? What? What's getting? That called me? When Drake called you and say you'll come to the studio, let's do something. Everybody shut up and sit down. Feeling me could telling me I need to make a hifie record. Let me do me but nah, it was special because I actually met dre Um through key On, which is his nephew. I met Keian at the studio session. He was in the room playing beats, and I was somebody that's like I'm open to everything, like my uh my

big dog that I'm signed to Donnie Meadows. He always be telling me like, boy, you're too nice, like you talk to Indie and everybody. Like it'd be interns in the studio sometimes playing beats. I'll just come in there and start rapping on their beats. But Keian was playing beats and I just went in there and start freestyle, and he was like, man, I gotta introduce you to my uncle. I'm like, who your uncle? He like, doctor Dre. I'm like, man, come on, you know somebody knows somebody

that knows somebody to actually know the person. So I'm like, man, come on, bro. Like He're like, Noah, that's really my uncle. I'm like, all right, bet take my number. I give him my number. The next day he faced time me with Drake on the phone and dre was like, man, I seen your La Leaker freestyle, Like I didn't heard a few things about you, Like when I finished with this Super Bowl, I want to get in the studio with you. So I'm like, bet. So the super Bowl happened,

and I think it was two days later. It was like a Wednesday or Tuesday or something. I was in the studio with some people and Kean hit me. He was like, want you to pull up? He sent me the address. I ain't even tell nobody where I was going. I think they thought I was going in the bathroom or something. I just got up and I just got up, drove straight over there. I still ye straight by myself.

I ain't bringing nobody over there. Hell nah. But I went over there and I was over there for about four days and we just was cooking, cooking, cooking, cooking, and then everything he taught me. It's really what motivated this project because I didn't really know where I wanted to go with it. I knew that I wanted to have some type of resemblance of like where I was at in my career right now, right like I ain't got no number one album, I ain't got no number

one record, but I'm gonna get it. And I wanted to express what that feels like being in this moment right now. So being around Dre, he kind of like taught me how to act out my lyrics and say things different. It's a song called king Win for Nothing that Charlotta Magne told me the production sound cheap, so he had to beef up the mix a little bit. But I don't know, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But it's a song on there. If you listen to it.

Before I was with Drake, I would have wrapped the first lyrics like I woke up this morning with all these starts in my head, jumped out the bed and stuff my tone nage. But Drake taught me how to say it like I woke up this morning when Harley starts in my head, jumped out the bed and stuck my tone nage so you can actually feel me hitting my toe. He taught me how to act out my lyrics and stuff like that. And he also taught me that,

like a lot of people, beats be terrible. And when you get around him and we start hearing the beach, he'd be like, damn, why do even wrap on these other niggas? You know what I mean. But he's a goat. That's what made Kim Drake so shout out to Drake man. He always teach me a lot. He gave me a lot of game. It be times where I'd be lost on what to do in our text him when he hit me right back, do this, do that? Say this? You know what I mean, be a man of integrity together.

You're probably gonna kill me for saying this. Uh, they don't do it. Now we're on the breakfast club, I'm saying it. I think we got about six Okay, okay, yea about six. You know what they're going I don't. I don't let me ask you this. Earlier we were talking about never change featuring Rowdy Rich. Do you feel that people around you sometimes change? Because I know that's a common thing. I hear like you, they'll tell you change, but really he would treat you differently. Facts when things

start to happen. Facts. I'm going through that right now. Like I got a bunch of people on that A look at like all my attraction and all my movement, and they just think because we're friends, they're supposed to be there. But it's like grab a flight, you know what I mean, put up, get here. As long as you get here, I'm gonna make sure it's cool. But it's like I can't just be funding everybody flights in

everybody room and everybody food right now. I know it looked nice, you know what I mean, But that ain't where were yet, Like everybody playing their role. That's why I keep my dog with me. Feet he'd been with me from the beginning, you know what I mean. He ain't never asked for nothing. We've been rocking from the beginning. But it's so many people that feel like because they know you, they feel like they're entitled to get something

from you. And it's like, bro, like help me, don't just always try to take from me, Like this is a tough business. It's very tough. Like it's artists get like what two three years at the MAC Sometimes yeah, it's that bar like from that joint you got where you be like um and when when when they want more, you act like they act like you never did nothing. Yeah, you could do everything for somebody. I didn't gave people

versus wrote them songs. And then they come to the show and be like, bro, I don't want to pay for no ticket. It's like, bro, support me, you know what I mean, Support me, Like I don't look good too, I got sell tickets. I got a booking agent. They looking at how many tickets this nigga selling? You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't bring a bunch of people to people, but they want to come with everybody, get their people in free to make them look like

the man. So sometimes people be around you to really benefit where it is they're trying to do. Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's something I'm dealing with right now, just like learning like where to place people, learning who could come and who can't. We going on tour with Joining Lucas. Yeah and shut Out my dog Joining shut Out Joining were going toward this Friday. It's my first tour. Yeah, it's my first tour too. I'm graduations.

How did that even happen? Um? So, Joinder had hit me back in June and he was like, UM, I appreciate like you keeping bars a lot, you know what I mean, Like it's very few of us that's like really trying to stand on rapping. And he was telling me he was getting ready to go on this tour and um, if I wanted to come out, you know, he was extending this in I'm like, hell, yeah, I ain't never been on no tour, covid got in my way. So, um, this is actually the first artist to bring me along

and share share his platform women. A lot of artists don't do that. They feel like you're gonna you know, still they shine or you know what I mean, take from what it is they do. But he really extended his hand and brought me on. He even offered for me to go on his bus, you know what I mean. When I was like, man, I'm about to pull up with a couple of big niggas, ain't bringing all these So it's I'm excited about this just to see, like the fans, how they react to them music, when music

they liked the most. So I'm excited about it. And are you and Larrussell doing a project? Man, because I'm trying to figure out what First of all, I want to know what's in the water that got you in the Russell sounding the way y'all do. That's number one. First off, that's my dog. Look that dude, that's my dog right there. I literally, um, anytime I'm in the bait.

What's crazy is Larrussell lived not too far from my mom, So every time I'm in the bay, damn, I shouldn't have said that because everybody be in his backyard now, right, But every time I'm out there, I hit him, and um, it's just motivating because it's like he really running a business with his family. Like literally, like I went over there, like they pressing up their own teas, they having marketing conversations.

They in the backyard, having rehearsal, and it'd be making me wish, Like, damn, I wish I had this before I was going to major route. But it was hard for me to build a team because everybody was thinking for self. He got a bunch of people that's literally supporting him, like they wanted to see him win. I had a bunch of niggas around me that just wanted to see us win rather than see me win, so we could all get the win. And Um, he just inspired me. Bro, he like really inspired me. We've been

talking about this project. Um, I was actually supposed to come to his residency that he just did, but I had to, um go out of town and film this video. But it's in his backyard. It's incredible, though, ain't It's incredible? Like he literally just had like four hundred people in the backyard that is crib. You know what I mean that Tick gets and bought merch. It's incredible, especially for a Bay artist. It's tough for us. And he went through the same thing I went through. People telling him

you need this type of song, you need that. Certain blogs in the Bay didn't want to post him because he don't play into the politics. And he cut through. He cut through, his music expanded. It was bigger than the Bay. So we definitely, I don't know when it's gonna come, but we definitely gonna gonna put that together. We didn't talk to about it a few times. Um, so it's it's gonna come. It's just you know, he got a lot going on. I got a lot going on.

But once we get some downtime to really knock it out, it's gonna come together. Let's play a song off the album and what you want to hear never change feature Nahomie Roddy Rich. Here there is Simba's albums out. Don't take time. I think they pick it up. Yes, sir, Simba, you're going places my brother, Come on, man. I appreciate y'all for having me. Um. Also, you know I always tell y'all appreciate what you do with the Black Effect Network because it's important for us to have black media.

You know what I mean. We always get hot and feel like we gotta run the other man, not the brother man. You know what I'm meaning. So everything you do from all the smoke to to every every podcast you got, man, I salute you. Also salute you on your future endeavors. I actually like one of your co hosts, I'm gonna get it hurt later now you guys here, yeah she she find it hell Um, you guys, shout out to you two envy man. You you're a real legend out here. Man. You got a lot of people

on the bait that always speak highly or you. You know what I mean. I got a lot of people from Hampton that always talk about you. So you're a legend man. And everything y'all do for this culture, you know, for the last what I want to say twelve You know what I mean, We always, as young artists wake up and watch this show, um to get information to learn what it is we should be doing. I learned a lot from this show. So it's a blessing to be here. And I appreciate y'all for having me. Yes well,

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