Sherri Shepherd On Finding Her Voice, Wendy Williams, Barbara Walters Advice, Dating + More

It's a level of responsibility I never thought I would have because I'm used to for all the stuff that I do. Is what Barbara Walters used to do. I didn't appreciate her until having my own show. She would go to all of the affiliates. Every week. I go visit affiliates. I hope babies, I kiss babies, I smile at you know, I laugh at jokes that I go, Okay, I guess you didn't told that joke twelve years to everybody. I gotta let you know. And so it's a lot

of stuff that I'm doing. It's meetings NonStop, and I I'm not used to that of being that part of because you get the glory and you also get it if it if it don't go. So it's like going to get rising up to that occasion. But it's good. Well, first of all, how are you because he's so rude, how are you doing. I'm a little for Clint right now because I'm so I try to get it together because I ran into Angela uh And and Tiffany Cross. It is Angela's name. I'm so like embarrassed. I can't

even like im. So I'm trying to get my groove bag. Man, this is a woman like I am such a fan of Angela Ry. I love Tiffany Cross. They tell it like it is like I'm like super fan. And as soon as they walked past me, I walked out the door and I said to Angela Ry, Hey, oh my gosh, what April did you think she was? I just in my hand. I was just thinking about April Ry and I got facial blindness anyway, I'm horrible with names. I

have facial blindness, which is called prosopagnosia. So like when I look at your face, envy, it's just the face. It's the nose, its lips, there's no distinguishing. I did not just get an I'm not sure. Well, that's how I remember Envy's We were always doing that exactly what. I have polyps in my nose that remove the polyps so I could breathe better and stop snort. That's too that's too much to try to remember to remember, just

to remember the polyps in his nose. He had to get the polyps remember, So if they can't even take too long, you're gonna be gone by the time I say it works. Envy with the nose jobs, See how quick that is? Exactly? Yeah? Se you doing that because he loves you so much. I doubt that. Did you feel like Wendy's shoes were too big to feel? Well? I think so, I think her. I think she we didn't even wear the same size shoes. So I don't

say yes. I think I'm asking a practical way. Yeah, yes, Jesus you were you were you afraid of that in anyway? Afraid of that? Damn I'm talking about I'm not talking about because I think you start getting afraid when you start comparing yourself to other people and you can't. That's where you get into trouble. You can't compare yourself to other people. Otherwise I would have been terrified when Star when I had to take over Star Jones's place on the View. And the one thing that I loved is

Star Jones called me. I was working on thirty Rock at the time. Uh, and she called me to congratulate me, and she says, don't try to fill my shoes, because you will never fill my shoes. And she said, you have to go on with your own experience, your own eyes, and make these your memories. And she said, so I'm not gonna tell you about who to watch out for. You have to go in and get the lay of the land. And I appreciated that. So me doing what I do. I am a stand up comic, I have

a I know what God called me to do. I have a faith. I'm really about a lot of positivity. So I knew that's what I do. If I if I based my career off trying to compare myself to other people, I still be struggling. You speak to Wendy. Did you get a chance to talk to Wendy When No, I didn't get a chance to talk to you. I didn't get a chance to talk to you, Charlotte May. I didn't get a chance to talk to my Aunteacha Couitsia, I know. So there were certain people that I got

a chance to talk to. It was Oprah Winfrey. Whoopie was in Italy, so I didn't get to talk to to Whoopie should call me back. It was Robin Roberts, um Ellen. I didn't get a chance nobody. You know, people don't be having celebrity phone number so they won't give it to you. So I didn't get to talk to Ellen. So it's very few people that I got to talk to. I loved the way you handled it, though,

I guess. I mean, I think a statement came out with Wendy said she wasn't happy with she wouldn't be watching something, And I loved the way you handled it, you know. I mean, I again, I'm not doing it for anybody. I know what my assignment is. So if somebody and everybody has free choice, it's like, if you want, if you want to watch me, watch and see what I can bring. If you don't, the beauty of it is there's Tamering Hall, there's Jennifer Hudson. If you want

a sister, there are there are more than one. There is more than one black woman. Did you always wanted to talk show. Was that something that this is what I want? Yeah, I would, Yeah, it was just I didn't realize it was a talk show that I wanted when I was a little girl and was putting like a paper towel in front of every in front of my dolls. I just like to talk and I love knowing about people. But um, it started as I got as I was doing stand up, I was like, I'd

like it. I'd like a talk show because I was looking at stand up comics who did talk shows, and stand ups are really great at doing talk shows. They're great at being guests on a talk show. And so I realized that's what I wanted. And my first pilot was in two thousand and four and it went nowhere. I did it on the Regis and Kelly said, and it just went nowhere because I didn't know who I was. I just wanted to make people laugh. So if you told me to do anything, I would do it. But

that was before the View. That was way before the view. I did the view. I didn't start to View two two thousand and seven, and I was devastated because I'd done it on Regents and Kelly and I knew I was funny, and I remember the executives walked in and it was like, give us all you give on stage, that that thing you do, And I was like, what do I My voice was I was like, what do I do? Because I'll do it? And they were like,

you know that thing? And I was like I don't know, and I was like Lord Jesus, and I was praying. But I wasn't ready. I hadn't matured into the dream, and so had he given it to me, it would have fizzled so fast because I didn't know how it was. I'd have sat in front of people going out, what am I supposed to say? Now, when I sit in front of an audience, I know exactly who I am. I know exactly what I'm delivering. I know exactly what my mission is. I know exactly when some people go,

can I come on your show? No, that's not what I do. You would be a celebrity caman. He was like, I want to talk about something that happened in my life. This very serious. You probably would be better with Tamren Wow sitting there because she's a journalist, So absolutely do you would be better served over here because you know Like the thing I love about tamarn is because she's a journalist. She's going to dig places that I'm not

gonna go. I'm gonna ask you when you do, you not to play space because I know my audience is coming. They want to feel good, they want laughter. So I'm not gonna go into those places. So and I and I'm at that place, so I can go No, that doesn't work for me. Have you taken a step back and like took a deep breath and just reflected on your journey like all of that, Like you know, you talk about two dollars four to show, didn't going away with? Yeah? And then you know the view and then you know

you gotta let go from the view. But then you know years later, you know you get a chance to fill in from the fell into having your own show. Have you like like processed all it? You know, it's so funny, Charlemagne, because I see now looking back, sometimes God don't show you how it's supposed to work out. You just got it even going through it. Trust that it's all that scripture, everything works together for your good.

I did not realize that doing the view would be so instrumental in me understanding how to do my show, like I don't get caught up in social media and comments. And because at the end of the day, I still got to pay Jeffrey's therapist his school, and I realize y'all not pay if y'all just want to talk about a fact. I ain't got no damn hips and you ain't cute, and and you just stow this that doesn't

serve me. And that's from being on the view because every time somebody got on me, I was going to Barbara and Bill Getty saying, can I just get on the air and clarify and apologize? I Barbara goes, For God's sake, if we apologize for everything, this show would be called the apology, and it's not. You want to apologize, go somewhere else and do it. And that's where I learned, bit you better be tough everybody. You can't be letting

everything affect you. So that was a learning ground. Doing dish Nation was a learning ground because I learned too. I'm in a studio by myself, brat and head cracked. They're all in Atlanta, so I have to learn to talk to that prompter like I'm looking at like I'm writing in the room with other people. That serves me when I'm sitting on that chair because I can't see the audience, the cameras right in front of me. So yes, now I see how all these little things doing stand up.

I have to stand on stage and headline for ninety minutes and keep you entertained, and somebody might heckle. I gotta think something quick. I don't have no you have some Okay, I'm talking about being married and divorce, but I gotta stop and I have to handle you. That serves me well sitting on a couch, and it serves me well when I you. People are wearing a mask.

I can't see if you laughing or not, but I have to know that I know walking out there, they'll share you funny, this is, this is You've been prepared for this. So yes, now I see where got all these little things that I had to do? Even when I bombed, you know, and Dio Hughley told me get back on stage. You gotta get back. So when I when things don't work segments that I want to try and they may not work, I go, okay, fail, you ain't no big, Let's get back up and try something.

Do you remember your worst show as a comedian? And I asked old comedians that do you remember your worst show? Oh my gosh. It was Mark Curry's manager. I don't remember his manager's name. He and Jamie had the same manager, some King, Marcus King. They used to have a comedy show contest in Oakland, California, and me and my girlfriend, she's now a big publicist at ABC free Form. Because she didn't stay in the game, we pretty much hitched a ride because this ain't for the week standup comedy.

We hitched a ride. Don't do this girls, if you hear me, but we hitched a ride all the way to Oakland, California, from LA from LA. We hitch goes. We didn't have no money, We've struggling, and we went and did this contest because the deaf jam people were there staying Lathan. Everybody was there watching these comments, the comics and I have worked on my act and the first round knocked out the first freaking round because they put me last out to follow all the dirty comics

and I was clean. I don't even curse. Remember, Oh my gosh, she was Lester Barry was del huge. Lee did Jamie go up. Might have been Jamie because yeah, it probably was Jamie because he didn't have nothing in except pimples on his face. He didn't have nothing. Um it was it was Evette Brown. She used to play in dell on Moitia. She and um, oh my gosh. Cat wasn't out then, we didn't know him. Might have been was jab there. I know Mark Curry was there.

It's all the ones that you see now that are that, and then there's a lot of them that you don't see. All of the Oakland comics were there, and they put me. It was twenty four comics. I was twenty three, So me coming out gonna hey everybody, how you doing. They was like boo, bitch, get out to stay. And then all the comics when you bomb, they don't want to be around you. They don't even want to talk to you.

It's like you got some kind of disease. And I cried and I have no money to get home, and um we had to hitch back and then I it was a horrible and my girlfriend made it the next round. She made it the next round and she had to come too. She I was like, well, you're gonna come back. She was like, noa, I made it, so I had to go back home by myself, made you continue on because at that point most people have been like, you know what, maybe comedies not for me. It was all

I had. It was like I was illegal secretary. My mom had diabetes and she was not taking care of herself, so she was sick. I had an as sister. It was on you know, on drugs. Look at my fami, my fami. My home was just my ex boy from he had gone to prison, like he was writing let us all the time time he was gonna kill me. I mean, it was like, I really do need a

lifetime movie. I'm on si Hona teller to place mat But no, no, I just it was all I had to be able to get on stage in the darkest times and half the time out of half a place to live, staying on people's couches. That was the only time I felt like somebody or you know, just being on stage, you know, and I could make people laugh at the stuff that I was going through. So I got the journal from when I was on stage. It has tears dried up on the on the notebook. So

that's why I got on safe. I got A two pu's both of your careers. When you do stand up in that moment and you said you was number twenty four and everybody before you was dirty. That was an era where you had to be like shocking, right, like you had to have like some edge to you. Just

exactly how did you keep yourself from being that? Because I couldn't be that, Like I like, if you Sheryl Underwood was on there, and if you better seeing Sheryl on stage like Sherlin turned out, She's still Joe Tory. Joe Tory was on the thing. You're following Joe Tory. Oh my gosh. So uh was t K doing it to them? I'm from the valley, so I'm talking like this.

My voice was so how you guys do? Um? I couldn't be I tried to go up on stage one time at the Birdland West and Long Beach and I tried Scrunch show was up at the Now more names are coming to me, but um, I tried to be Sheryl,

but it's not authentic. And I remember going up on stage and I tried to do I had this Heckla line prepared if they said something, and I was gonna be like I'll stab you, Ugga, I'll stab And I tried it and he was laughing because then it don't hardly look sure, looked like she could stab you, Sherry Shepherd, No, sir, So it didn't work. Me trying to be somebody who I wasn't, and I learned to just you know, DL

said you gotta get back up on the stage. Jamie was very encouraging vette everybody, and I just realized it's just you gotta keep getting back up. You gotta keep showing up and you eventually get better. If you keep doing it, you get better. So you have to you gotta bomb. You gotta fail otherwise you really don't appreciate it when you get on stage. And now I can get on stage it, don't you know a heckler, You're not scaring me because you're not making the money I'm making.

You probably want to do what I'm doing right now. But you're scared, so you're gonna scream it on stage where it's dark. But if I put a microphone in front of your face, you ain't really got too much to say. And everybody in this room came to see me and they really want you gone. So when I coming out. I got their confidence. They know. So the second part of that is, I guess you applied that to the View as well. Because Barbara Walters is the

bar I was a messenger in the View. I wasn't confidence at all, okay, because Barbara, like Barbara was ratchet, you know what I mean. I love I loved every way. She questions, did you feel like you had to be that when you were on the View, Yeah, I felt like I had to. Like I got on this show, Charlotte Mage Andy Murphy wasn't one and told me I was doing a show. I was doing a movie called Who's Your Caddy with Big Boy. I'm talking in times with Terry Crews. I'm just trying to make people laugh.

And they called me to guest host, and I guest hosted and they liked me. And then Star was like, when I go on, when I go on the road, I want to Sherry to fill in for me. I was terrified to meet Star. Probably called her by the wrong name, um stay sick because she was a big lawyer, and Enjoy said, I like Sherry when I go on the road and do kids called so he kept calling me. But I never wanted to do that show because I knew they were talking about politics and debating. I was

as Jehovah's witness. I didn't do no debating on it, talk back to people who were older than me, and um, everybody kept saying, do it because it's gonna change your life. My best friend John Murray, who was my EP on my show, he said, Sherry, doing the view will change your life, and I promise you. And I did it reluctantly. And here the first week I said, I don't know if the Earth was round the flat, step right in it. And I did. And by the way, I do know

that the Earth is round. I was so nervous. When I get nervous, I can't remember names. I could, you know, I didn't even hear them ask me the question. You were ahead of your time. This is more flat Earth is now now they aren't coming about the whoopworks everybody who said Earth is flat. Um. But to sit next to this woman who was just like, she don't smile, she don't you know. And then I'm next to Whoopee who's looking to be like, bitch, you don't know nothing,

you know. I'm just like So it was very It was very hard for me. How did you find yourself on that show? Because you know Barbara would ask anything. Yeah, and whoopee is already established. And that was the year we started doing a lot of politics because that's the year Obama was running, and it was a lot of race stuff coming up. And I had to learn. It was a lot of failures and it was a lot

of falls. I don't like callm failures. It was a lot of faults on the view and I, you know, I had to sit and look at Bill Maher saying they could do something with the stupid stick to me, Bill O'Reilly called me a pinhead. You gave me Donkey of the day like this was everything, Howard. I don't remember what you gave it. No, you said I don't have no butt or something. It was a Tasmanian devil,

I remember. I know. But now you're now you you've involved, Now you have therapy in your life, and you give the gods that we all served your respectful. You love people's energy. You do like now you're you're change, You've evolved you and you weren't not all that when you gave me Donkey in the day and talked about it. I was listening to y'all did show. Yeah, me and my son listened to the show. He was like, Mommy

was shawmmate, don't like y'all. I don't know. Well, when you give somebody donkey to day, Charlotte mage people when you on the other Saturday asked stephen A. Smith, when you're on up sad that people you know, you're thinking of people. You think people don't like you. But it is all of that I had. That's how I learned, Sherry. You can't take in everybody else's energy that doesn't serve you. I know that that's wanna pay attention to social media.

I wish I could let these young people know get beyond social media and clapping back and you arguing with this one. It don't serve you. It is a waste of energy. But I didn't know that then, But I learned. I learned from a woman going, this ain't the day an apology show. Go out there, stand by what you said, and we're gonna keep it moving because basically, once the next news cycle comes, they're gonna forget what you said. No, that's what I want to ask you about that, because

that's a good point, right. Thank you for coming to But after you gave you don't get you to show I may actually you apologize. You was like, no, you're not. Then you said you were sorry. So the evolution I could see it happened. And even then so with that, right, like we've seen Barbara Walters do apology shows and like everybody sees all this old content of Barbara and they're using the N word and asking people about that sexuality. So if somebody came to you right now, I was like,

Barbara Walters is racist. You know these kids are they they see what would you say to them? I would say, you'd have to you you only saw a clip, because everything everybody operates in little three second clips. I would say you have to work with this woman because because the reason why you may be on the air is because of Barbara Walters. And so the same woman is the same woman who put two black women on the

air when no, you had never seen that before. There had never been two black women on a talk show and Barbara Walters ABC did not want me and she fought for me to be on there. So if you saying a racist wants another two black women on her show and she's a racist, that that don't that don't even go together. Because she felt like I had something to say. And when people would talk about she, she defended me on how return Now you know, so a woman who's doing that, And she would always say to me,

I believe in you. You can do it. Just freaking read a book and defend what. You can't rely on your pastor what your pastor says all the time. Read a book. Now. I love talking politics, but I had to go through I didn't know about politics, and I didn't know what you know different things, but I do now. So falling is not bad. It's a way you look at it. You get back up, you keep showing up, and you're gonna get better. And then there's other blessing.

Now you mentioned stephen A. Smith. He was on your show. Oh he stepped in. Oh my gosh. I was trying to let him know. On the couch he was a conversation about super Bowl. Oh my god, and then he went jumped out the window and just said out of nowhere for no reason. Rihanna is no, oh my god, why you know? But the thing about it is like I feel like stephen A. A lot of people I had discern that's what he does, that's what he gets paid for. But there's a way that men be talking.

You know, y'all talk, you can get rudo. But when you go in front of an audience full of black women, it's a day in time. Were tired of being compared to the next black woman. Well, black women are feeling like,

don't nobody protect us like you. It's a lot of triggers and you and I feel like somebody on his team should have been briefing him, going, this is a female talk show, stephen A. This isn't because on his show, I'm sure they tell the women, if y'all want to play on our field, you gotta take you gotta be able to play like a man. But I wish somebody would have said, you're coming on an all female show. They love Sherry, these are women, so there's a you

gotta you gotta course correct a little bit. And I don't think so. And I think it threw him, you know, because Steven got he got that swag. He sat back and did his tie and I was like, oh trouble and you you coming on with the swag because they was loving Steven, they were loving him, and he did everything that he did. He does it on his show, but she ain't no Beyonce, it's said he does that. That crowd was not and he wasn't reading the room

like yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute. You know, I'm gonna give it this and I'm gonna give her that, you know, And I'm looking at him going, I just wanted to use the N word right on the air, going, boy, you are, you are stepping in it and this ain't gonna and it ain't gonna lie on just my show. You may think you be thinking this the Little Sherry show.

This suck about to get out. I tried. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, we're trying to He wasn't going with me, and no we're not comparing, Like what was the point, Like it wasn't even a discussion. I think, you know, because this is what Steve n does. He just you know, he causes, he does controversy and he it's in his DNA to go yeah, but and this is how people talk. We've had this, you know,

when you with your friends, you taught who's better. I loved it when Katie Perry came on and Missy Elliott stole it you know, we have those discussions, but you gotta know how to read your room. Katie and Missy is different because yes we want. Yeah, I'm paying no attention to Katie. Yeah I want. I'm just saying the feeling I got with Missy exploded on that stage is why I watch set through Katie Perry's set. It was

Missy Elliott. So there's a way that you talk. There's things that I will not say on my show that because I know that's not my audience. And I learned that from the view John had to call it. It was one time I was defending Sarah Palin with everything I had. I was because she had a special needs child. So I was like, this is a woman with a special need said and John was like, black people hate you. Stop it. It's certain things. There's your inside voice, there's Joe.

So I will never be that person who says everything that's on my mind. But why can't we have nuance? I understand what John saying, but you should be able to say, hey, I can relate because she has a special need child. But also I don't, I mean I like her politics? Why because I wasn't articulate like that at that time I am now yeah, like because we had a whole discussion backstage because I do feel like I don't like that so many people jumped on Stephen

because it was an opinion. He loves both women. He really does love both women. He just he just felt, you gotta you gotta come up to where Beyonce is re renos that she got that competition within herself. Um, he just didn't read the room. And I felt. I came in and I said, I want to say, this was unfair to Stephen a smith. He should have been ba And John said, you have to you have to do are you falling on the sword with Stephen? Because

this is what you're gonna get the backlash. There's a way you can articulate this, Sherry, because we gotta remember the theme of the show is you're being funny, you're light, So you can't come on, you know, wagging your finger people. Because what I don't like is that nobody is allowed to have an opinion and say anything without people going to take him off the air and canceling. So we worked it through. It took us about twenty five minutes.

We worked it through. Of Okay, why I put a joke in here, I could do it, okay, so to be having the navy, you know, I could say this and I so that it's palatable for everybody. And I still said the same thing, and I still put in my message up. I don't like us being at a place where we can't say our opinion. So that's what I know how to do that now, really apologize in the parking lot, right, because he apologized in the car

because I think it was just shell shot too. And you know, because you know you don't and also you just don't realize how big this. The people in today we get triggered and that affects you. But and that's why I said, please go buy his book because he does say some really great things in his book about you know, about his relationship with his father, his mother, how instrument and I still have women going I don't give it because the sisters didn't teach him nothing, and

as mama didn't. I mean, I have friends who are really angry. And he didn't say what right if you say, if y'all have a discussion about live performers, and you say Rihanna not a better live performer than Beyonce, but all you said, was Rihanna ain't no Beyonce, What does that even mean? I think it's just him saying, you know, you know, y'all, you know your uncle left it and Thanksgiving, no matter what you say, your uncle like, yeah, but

you know he ain't gonna the way he run. And I think and also I think that Stephen Asmith didn't realize we black women, we are just feeling like we're not protected. You know, it's not like you have to with with on first take, you are brutally taking down thirty NFL teams. You got a lot of comparison, well black women at this at this level performing at the super Bowl. It's three of them. One got in trouble, a nipple got shown, she got thrown under the bus,

and her career was gone for a minute. Janet Jackson, you got Beyonce, you got Rihanna. You just have it like it's not a lot. There's not a lot of us, so to be trying to it does look like you're pitting us against And that's why I think you have to have women on your team sometimes to go let me come in here and tell you something. So I don't think that went through Black women and with them was black women when they and they turned quick, Oh my gosh. And then you also you got to be half.

It's a bunch of fourteen year olds coming after you. And you don't realize the power of fourteen year olds putting me teams all. You can't even get to the good comments because they're fourteen year olds. Ain't got nothing to do. I don't argue what to be high. I don't even say these Nikki re red Beyonce. The worst they said to me when I did when I was

filling in, and I think I said one thing. It wasn't even nothing bad, and somebody put on a post they said, don't even go there because we'll take you down. It was like the mafia heads to me. I showed John, I was saying, they they comment, and I was like, oh my gosh, this dig on these barbs. I want to salute John John because I was told that you you you told that bout murky. I'm not doing this show of John, And I thought that was so just doping on the absolutely yeah for so long. Um, John

is like the wonder kind of creativity. So a lot of the stuff that we do is John's idea We've been on this journey twenty or more years, and he is smart and a lot of people he knows. He has a lot of connections in the business, and not connections where you do. For me, I do few relationships, is what I should say, A lot of He got that Janet Jackson thing happening. That was John Murray who did this. So I couldn't give credit to the show because it was John. He you know people that come

on our show, John makes a phone call. We can't get clearance. John makes a phone call. So he has relationships. He knows talk shows like the back of his hand. He helped me on the view articulate what I was gonna say. I knew what I wanted to say, but he was like, you can't. You don't have enough time to say that. Whoopie's gonna say this to you. Joey's gonna interrupt. You got to say it succinctly and quickly.

And John helped me with that, And so I knew that this dream was not only my dream, it was John Murray's dream too, because he's the only black man with the executive producer title and the power. And I said, I didn't just want him to be executive producer. He had to have the power. That's what I had to fight for. So he and he's great and the producers love him, and you know, so I trust him because I can't fight all of the battles and I can't be up on the other side in the office and

I can't. Yeah, I gotta it's just sitting on that couch. It's a mental thing I gotta do. So having him with me and being able to look at him and he says things, I don't know what I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't have done the show without him. Now, I wouldn't would have walked away. That says a lot about you, though, you know what I mean, because this is your dream to do this show. And I'm sure that you know, let's get more more experienced DP and you're like, no, no,

this is who I wants. Yeah, he knows he's got the We got the same vision. When we stand behind that door, he grabs my hand. We pray for the audience who is watching on TV. We pray for the audience who is sitting there that they're gonna that they see that side of God, the laughter, the love that they feel better than when they came because we're going through so much. I don't do politics for a reason. I don't do heavy stuff because I feel like you can get that from You can get it from when

Tiffany Cross comes right back on the air. You're gonna be able to get it from Tiffany. You're gonna be able to get it from Angela. You're gonna be able to get it from Rachel Manou or Fox if you watch it. But for me, I want you to have a respite from all. I want you to be able to laugh. And John is so clear, So when people come to me and go you should do this, I want He's the one that takes all of the bullets and stands in front of me and shields me so

that I can go out. He's the one that says, don't bother Sherry with this because it messes up with her mind and it's hard to produce her. So he knows me so well. Now, you talked about how difficult it was dating before the last time you were a pair. Hasn't gotten any easier as your DMS flooded. How is dating that? Yeah, they're still fluttered with people who ain't got that side tooth and they're missing the finger and they still in their mama's basement. I still get those

um but you know what it is. I remember I remember sitting talk with the comedian Rodney Perry and he told me, he was like, you know, you in your fifties and y'all mouth, and you don't want to be and this and it's gonna be hard and to win the closing. And I remember I remember laughing, going, but it only, it's only I'm only gonna be with one man. There's somebody out here who's gonna love my mouth? Who's going? And that sound horrible? Look. I was like, Sherry, this

whole show. My father is like, really she trying to get rid of this whole She's trying to ask this whole interview. PU by the way, smiles smiles. We've been together with ten years. I'm telling I don't I like, I like longevity in my life. But no, I meant like, they're gonna like what I say. They're not gonna be insecure. They're not gonna and it's only one, it ain't thirteen of them. And I literally when and I started dating more because I would date Envy. We would go out

on a date. I want to marry you. I'm writing, you know, Sherry envy with us and hearts. Yes, that's how it was because I was in this religion that taught you you don't know, Charlotte Manna, you gotta get married, get married. You gotta get married if you want to have sex. We already had that show about the second husband. That don't work at all. If you horny, don't get mad, don't get married. Even when I feel like, damn, I gotta,

I gotta like go. I don't know what I'm gonna say when I get to Heaven to day, like they played my positives and negatives. I just know it didn't work for me being horned and doing a marital bliss. We had less X. We got married and I still but no. But that's where I came from. So I went to a dating coach and she said, you gotta go out with different people. It don't make you no hole. It just you find out what you like, what you don't,

how you can appreciate things. It's conversation. You gotta learn how to have conversation without making the curly cues and putting their last name on it. You gotta learn how to go out and if they don't call you, you ain't texting trying to be cute, you know, and and doing a little hintson. So I started just dating. I dated somebody I met on Instagram. Really, he was like, I am a sheriff. I work in Atlanta. Do you date regular guys? He was a sheriff And I said,

are you a killer? Are you a serial killer? He said no. I was like, okay, let's meet. So I went to Atlanta to do something with Kim Whitley. I had three dates in one day. I had a breakfast date with the sheriff I had. I had another date in the afternoon skating, and I had a dinner date. That was the most fun for a year, just dating different people. And it made it made me say I had a date while somebody ghosted me. So I had

a date with somebody all he wanted. Every time he called, he's like, look all the pennies you got on It's Sunday, It's the Lord's Day. Can we talks on Tuesday? He wasn't there. No. We went out and had a great time. He picked me up, had a beam in Mercedes. It was great. It was wonderful. He got but so many people recognized us or me, and I don't think he knew how to deal with that. You know, I went to the bathroom and they followed me to the bathroom, and you know it's he and he just was like,

that ain't what I want. I dated somebody who was a big writer in Hollywood and he said to me he was great, and he said, but I don't want to be sharing my shine with you. But I appreciated it because I'm like, then, we ain't got to worry about it. He said, we're not going to red carpet I want. I wanted to be. I don't want to share it with you. Well, you saved me a lot of work. Guys like him need to go to the derby because that sound like a bunch of insecuritis insecurities,

you know what I mean. But I'm not governa waste my energy trying to convince you that you need because you show me who you are to the sheriff. The sheriff, Oh and the sheriff. I gonna say he was great, but I felt bad because he wanted to take me to this one restaurant in Atlanta and it was not open, but I saw the Old Lady Gang was right next door and it wasn't open, and I said, well, let's go here. I know Candy and he goes, no, it's

not open, and you know, you gotta get reservations. And I'm going, I don't know who you don't like, but you don't want to play that car and I'm like, I know Candy. So at the same time, I'm texting Candy, going, Candy, we had the Old Lady Gang and Candy's like, I'm gonna tell him. But even before Candy did something, the waitress recognized me, so she was like, oh, yeah, all them thirty people, I'm gonna open up and let you'all in. So you don't want to say I can do this.

This is what I can do. And we sat there and it was just so many people because in Atlanta was she was a church group. It was the Girl's Trim, Miss Sherry, and it's always we hate to bother you, but can I get Can I get a big shriff? You don't, man. He was getting so tired of that, and I felt bad, but I can't and I would say no, no, I'm not gonna take any pictures. And then we just ran. In my conversation, I was like, hey, what kind of gun you got? Wow, that's a big gun.

Just they have bullets. And I was and I was like, what do you do? Oh? You take the men death? Like he never asked what I did or anything. And I'm I'm making jokes and he was just you know, and uh, and then he got we got in the struggling. Then he took me all over. He showed me and I hate I'm diabetic, but I was trying to You know, that's not sexy when you say the man on the day, I'm diabetic, so I can't eat. I can't eat this and mess with my blood and sugar. You know you

I take ment for him, and that's not sexy. So I didn't tell him I was diabetic and I ate pancakes. He was like in his forties, now, y'all diabetic discussion age. I know, but that it was the first dake, like you tell a man that on your third day. Man got a joke. He said that I'm not dating no young girls because I need to be with a woman who can identify the sign of the stroke. That's exactly

what it is. But you don't want to be talking about signs of a stroke on the first date, so I want I was trying to appear to be fun loving and you know, and I smiled alive show him I had a sense of humor. So I was eating pancakes, which raised my blood sugar. So he wanted to take me on a tour of Atlanta, and I kept falling you not all yeah, I don't know why you fain diabetes. I didn't want you know what he's saying. He goes, are you a Narco left ticket? Oh this is going

nowhere fast. He was like, you ken't wake up, wake up? And I was like, and I ain't eating too many because it was good. I ain't had pancakes like nine years, and it was so good. And I was following the sleep and he was like, and I was just like, I gotta go home and I gotta get I gotta take this map foreman, I need brotea, like, look at you, Jesus, And he was like, why are you keep falling to sleep? And I was just like, that was your opening because

I'm diabetic, and oh yeah, because that's so sexy. Ibody just want to tell him about the dog a magnesia that I gotta put on my cash. Charlie Horse, so you don't want me to give you no sugar? That didn't run through my mind, Charles Mane, Great dating is great? Now dating is great. All these people you weren't sleeping with? Right, No? And see that's what I'd be trying to say about Lorie Harvey because any time Lord Harvey gets spotted out with somebody, folks like, oh man, she must be sleeping

all these people. What I love about Lorie Harvey, Laurie Harvey, don't tell you nothing. No she doing. Laurie Harvey is Lurid Harvey, moving in silence. You know she'll post the pictures. They will post the picture. You don't know what's going on with Lorie Harvey. All you knowing that the one thing you got with Lurid Harvey is baby hair. You could be sure baby hair. And I think you know what?

And I love Laurie Harvey because I'm like we are as older people, we you know that that we weren't allowed to do that date multiple people and say it's not working out. That's what men did. I love it that this is a young one and who's just like I know who I am. Yes, everybody. I know y'all all like Michael B. Jordan, but it didn't work for me, and I'm walking away now. You get you know, damnson interests like shit. You go and have fun because once you settle down and that belly get big and you

start getting them indentations on your booty. Because that baby just taking everything from you. It's a whole different story. Enjoy the season of your life and keep your mouth because she don't be telling nobody what she's doing. So I don't know what's going on Lorie Harvey's house. I know one thing, Lorie Harvey, if you try to steal a car, she'll beat your ass. You see that video when they try to steal Loris. So you gotta ride a down right there. You just gotta be the right

one to get that ride of down you go. You know, I wanted to ask you too, you know, I remember you started the show and like it's a great time in your life, right your dream, Yeah, accomplished, but then you also lost a great friend and David David arnold man. But I'm sure you couldn't show that on TV. So I owe that, like emotionally for you devastating, and it's still devastating right now because David A. Arnold, and if you don't know him, god freaking look him up, was

just on the cusp. I know David from the beginning when he was came to LA and to see somebody on the cusp of this, of everything that he ever dreamed of happening. I was his first major talk show. He had his outfit hanging on the closet. We had talked all the time, and so you know, he was just I saw David fail and bombed so many times and re and course, correct and redo, and he got on this family literally and he credits me for this.

We were on the plane with Janet Jackson going to Essence and her baby was screaming like crazy and he was getting so irritated because she was going up and down the aisle, no nanny trying to quiet him up, and she we were talking and he was so mad that I didn't introduce him to Jenna, because David Arnold had an ego like nobody's business. And he made a video and it was so funny, and I said, David, get back to making those videos about you, about your family,

and he would go God damn. And I said, keep doing that, and I was reposting in it, and his numbers were going up. Then more people started reposting, and that's how people knew him. And so it just because he said I don't want to write. He was an amazing writer. I want to be an actor and it was happening for him. So to have lost him so early, that's the only time a question. God. It was like,

I don't understand. He loved his family so much. Somebody came to David another big comic, Uh, Corey's good It was Corey Holco. It was Corey Corey Hoko wanted to fight David Arnold at the laugh Factory and David goes, I'm not fighting you. I have a mortgage to pay. I don't fight anymore, you know, And it was funny seeing me. He was like, I'm not from the hood, and it was like, that was David. And I wish

that the world really would have been able. He was working with Kevin Hart and Lena Wait, he had he had three series that were about to go into production, plus his own, and so I just feel bad that the world didn't get to see what David Arnold would have been bringing the virus is remorse like guilt because your your dream is happening. Yeah, your guy was on the cusp, but you know you transition. Um, it wasn't that survivor's remorse because I know my path was different

from David's. I just wish that more like David would have gotten what I got. You know, David would have gotten a success that I was able to get. I don't. I don't get into the survivor's remorse, And why why me and not them? We all have our own path. And if you stopped looking at well, why me? And how come they got it and not on I'm just as good, then you're not paying attention to the path that God got you on, because we all got a

purpose and we all gotta you know. So why do I have a talk show versus the person who is much better than me and they don't have a talk show? I don't know, But that's a lot of energy I'm wasting on that. Why do I not? You know, how come I don't have my father got dementia? How come your father don't have dementia? I don't know. It's just

what I have to deal with. So it's just it's like where you're gonna spend your energy, especially as we get older, Like I just don't have a lot of time for where's my energy going and if it's if it's not serving man, if it's not positive, and if it's not pushing me forward, then I don't have time to engage. Is that the answer you received when you when you question God about that situation? It was silence. But like moving to New York, I got a clear answer.

I did not want to come to New York to do the show once staying there, like all my friends are in there, like my pack that I hang with. And you know, you always got that person who talks to guy who got the answer, and she said, God said to me that New York is not for you, It is for your son. He has asked Burghers that it's for Jeffrey to find his independence. That is where so I said, okay, he, oh my gosh, he takes it uber by himself. He has his own key. He

then lost five of them. I'll be like, oh, if somebody break into this damn Brownstone, Jeffrey, I'm a kid, You're gonna be the first one. But he lets himself in. He took. I let him take the train to go to the Mets game, and I prayed the whole time the train. He won with his friends, but they all got special needs. All of them got special needs. And I was just like Lord and he was like Sherry. I got him. I cried the whole time I was texting. And then he said, Mom, we got in a celebrity section.

What is no I pay for nosebleed section two? What is you doing down that? He said? I told him you was my mama. Stop using my name, boy mama, but you can't do that because I look, he's seventeen. I gotta get this guardianship over him. This is my biggest fear. Some girl he gonna tell her I'm a mama, and some girl gonna look at my son and be like, okay, come on over. Okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna have to do in your in your windows because Jeffy told me how to talk about him. No more. He still

is very whole, He is very pure. He ain't had that. Yes, I'm afraid one one woman that's got a lot of street smarts will take a look at my he give you flowers, you know, I don't think he's gonna tell me. This is my biggest fear. Charlemagne. And I will call my son and some woman pick up the phone and I say, where is my son? And she goes, Miss Shepherd, he don't want to talk to you. You can talk

to me, bitch. What what? I will go bust somebody in their mouth, I swear to Gosh, and out of my biggest farences, she goes, he's moving in with me because you know some of these women who do that mess. He moving in with me. He don't want him. He is eighteen, and no, you cannot talk to him. And I will be like, oh n see nash him. Will y'all got to give me out of jail because I don't busted a woman up. And I supposed to say, because I gotta talk show im all looking at me

like this. This is not the days. We have discussed what she was supposed to be talking about, and this was not on the list. But I swear to Gosh, my biggest fear, I believe you see if you if you're going on stage and stab you niggas now you now, I'm not saying I'm saying I bust you in the mouth that. I respect that. I believe you when you say that. Yeah, I got Now, I'm not shooting. I got, I got jail nails. That the UV is talking they're gonna give you kids and putting them on the train.

Them a little young biddies on that train where nothing closed. He's maybe on this train. I take to train all the time. I don't like that. I don't like you on the train. Man, you got money? Why are you on the train? I agree with you, thank you, ny you and I she is forbidding to take the train. They're at twenty million people are more to take the train every day. Okay, but first of all, I don't get on the train looking like this with hair down to my ass. You're not cherry cheer because I get

on the train. If I take this wig off, I got corn rolls, I look like Queen Latifa and set it off. Okay, let's go there first. Then you get on the train. For y'all who think you're not supposed to, you get on the train envy and everybody looking at their cell phones. Not one person is looking up. I didn't know there was nine different Haitian languages on the train. The people ain't watching the Sherry show. There's so many

different languages people be speaking. I could be on that train butt naked, and that one old lady, a Dominican lady will recognize me, and that one the lady. You know, nobody recognizes me on the train. I don't wear big I don't call attention to myself. Now, if me and Niasy Nash got on the train her freaking Cleveland, just down to her knees, they gonna know that's Nisy Nash. I don't get on Sherry y Rov get on the train. This is yeah, they're gonna recognize Sharyl At these people

get on the train. I ain't. Don't get on the train like that. First of all, I get on the train, I'm wrapped up, I got my hat on, I got'm covered up, I got a raddy coat on, sweats on. I don't look like Sherry Shepherd because it gets me there quickly. The dream. No, if you If I get on the lift to go see my trainer over in the village, it takes thirty five minutes, literally is twenty

on the train. And sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't want to sit in the back of the uber and the man be talking to me, and I got to hear the radio and he talking to his wife. And I'm sitting next to three car seats. I told the lift drive today, how many kid you got? I didn't have to way to put my stulf because the's so many car seats in the car. I want to get on the train, I get on the tray. I wrapped

my arm so tightly around that rail. If you try to push me on the train, you're gonna be having my arm in your hands. I'm like I I it carries me around. I don't care that you don't something what I don't need something. When you work something, you gotta protect it. I don't take the train at night. I take it so when I take the pictures, there's nobody there. It looks like it said night. It's usually in the morning when I get to him working out.

I don't take it all the time. I have a driver that takes me back and forth to work, so I have a driver for that. And then it's like it's usually on a Saturday. And then I have to teach my son how to ride the train because he thinks that he my son said to me the other day, I don't know if I want an assist it. You will never have an assistant. And they said, you get

an assistant. No, your mama got an assistant. He was like, when I get he's looking at apartments because he said when he ain't seen he moving out, he wants to go look at loft apartments. No, you don't get a loft apartment. Your mama get a loft apartment. So I still have to teach Jeffrey on the weekends how to ride the train because he's got to learn to be independent. Me. I don't know how to get them from Queens. And I don't even know they gonna recognize you, because they're

gonna be like, oh, Amy went the New Nose. I get on the train, they gonna know you. Then you're gonna mess up my thing. Ry order them like that's Octavia Spencer. They gonna like. Then it's gonna be like and then you're gonna mess up my vibe. So I don't take it all the time because I took it. I took it. We went to see Uh, the Collaboration with Jeremy Poe, and it was you know when you go to Broadway, it's so crowded. The lists, it would take them too long, so it's I'm gonna take the train.

What I forgot was I got a bright pink coat on, I'm dressed up. I got the wig down to my butt. I did take the train that was the wrong and it got dark and they dropped me off at the wrong stop, and I looked around. I said, I don't live in it. I'm not. I don't live in a project, so I know I'm in the wrong. I'm in the

wrong space. And here's the thing I was because I got off at the wrong so I didn't have a reading glasses on, so I thought I was on the D train, but I was on the B train, And so I have my Google Maps, and that's the wrong thing to be doing walking around with your phone. And I walked up to this street and then I said, no, no, it's the it's core the errow going the other way.

So I walked back the other way and this girl goes I liked that coat, and I was like, oh, shoo, okay, And I was like, I ain't fought in so long when I'm living in Chicago, I'm about to fight this girl. But here's the thing. She recognized my coat before she recognized me. And then but then I was like oh, and I kept going and then the dudes came out the projects and it was it was like, hey, miss ladies all left for me. And I was like, I am in the area. I gotta talk show. That's that's

you know. Now they've been like that's that's all left for me, Mama, that all left for me? And I was like, Hi, how are you? And I kept walking. I was like, I'm lost. I am locked. Okay, where's the subway station? Now? That not good? Was you in the Bronx somewhere near that gone? Well? Check out the Sherry showing. We're nominated for ACP Major for Sherry and won for my podcast two Funny Mamas and Kim Willie's our second nomination. We won last year, so that's a

second domination I got. I want to end me written down on my mirror everywhere, but I wanted to, So go vote at NAACP Image Awards dot net. Please it's a little hard y'all got to do the work to get to where we are, but don't do the work. Please share it more accolades so she can get even more money. Even though he's already millionaire because we gotta get her off this train now. Ex husbands and yeah, yes, yes, I sure am Jesus, when is that up? Jeffrey still seventeen? Yes? Yes?

Are you counting down the days? I am count down the days? So yes, So don't get off my Wallet's party on the show. Yeah we should now, I don't want to poke a sleeping bear. They've been leaving me alone. Well, it's Sherry Shepherd. It's the Breakfast Club. Thank you for joining us so much, Thank y'all for having I ain't having no y'all. It's the polyps. You had the polyps. You need the polyps, and you had to clear the polyps out. You see a lot to take exactly. It's

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