Yeah, I'll go from your question.
Let's just keep it real straight. Sh eye will no chase. I'm gonna get a little bit rough.
I'm here for those who really believe in the American process, all of us Street shot no chase with your girl Tess to figure out on the black effect podcasting at word at work.
So as you guys may know, I have some folks really upset with me. Oh man, I've been called everything but a child of God, and I thought I would give you guys some background on exactly what it is that you're that you're witnessing. One thing is it is hilarious to me that I guess mister Ramaswami's supporters are not actually realizing how their comments. Some folks say that, you know, there's been a text allegedly, let me say allegedly that a text has been sent out to a
lot of his supporters to flood the comments section. Some folks also say that you guys do know that you can pay to get positive comments made a million services out there, but you know allegedly because I actually know conservatives believe it or not, and allegedly there's been a organizing effort to flood the comments. Now, the reason why I want to let you guys know why this is
probably very likely that this has happened. It's probably exactly the truth is because for those of you that don't know, we watch the numbers on our page. We know who the listeners are, we know how they respond, we know how they engage.
For those that don't know, if you put up a video on YouTube.
And you get anywhere from maybe one to three percent, it's not even YouTube, it's just social media period. If you get one to three percent of engagement, you're doing really well. So if I have a video with one hundred thousand, so let's look at let's look at the and I'm just giving you guys to just just some games so you can tell what's authentic and what's not. When there's an organizing campaign, which I think is great.
I hope they can organize maybe to get their guy up in the polls, because right now he's not even close. But I just want to give you guys some game. So the video of the interview is one hundred and fifty two thousand views, it's not really a lot of views when we look at you know, other videos that do well. And I also want to make sure we understand this. The Reckless Club is a four hour radio show.
It's on the radio. For those that don't know. I'm really putting this out there for the conservatives who don't watch the show or listen to the show, and you know, really think they're doing a big thing under the comments and saying oh, yes, you should be let go as a listener. I don't like this. You're not our listeners, guys, And this is how we know. I'm just giving you the game because mister Ramaswami, if allegedly, if it is your campaign that have asked people to do this, they're
doing way too much and we can tell. But I want to use it to my advantage to help you organize. And I really am proud to have the most engaged not only comment section for the week. It looks like we're going to beat all political interviews. So let me show you. And that's actually a plus to me, guys. In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, you're
so smart. But in case you haven't figured it out, so just to give you guys some social media game on how this work and how campaigns work, is you know, the key is to make sure that the message is reiterated in the comments section, over and over and over and over. And one thing I'll tell you about conservatives. They do this really well, and the reason why they have to do this the way that they do. First
of all, conservatives stay on message. They'll beat that message in your head over and over and over and over and over and over and over until the point that you to really make you believe, well, maybe there's some truth to it. For example, over and over and over. They stole the election. They stole the election. They stole the election to the point that folks believed it enough to go storm the capitol. It's a witch hunt. It's
a witch hunt. It's a witch hunt. Conservatives do an amazing job, which I think Democrats and liberals could stand to do better of messaging over and over and over. They pow on over and over and over, kind of like how they powed on everybody when they storm the Capitol. So and they do that because the majority of people in America are either moderate or liberal, so it's not a lot of conservatives as you would think.
But they make.
The message appear louder, They make it appear as if there's more of them than it is moderates or liberals, are far left or whatever you want to call them, because they have to be louder and they have to be stronger, because it is literally from a number standpoint, it's not enough conservatives. So the key is go in where you can appear louder, and social media is a
great tool to do that. So the goal is I have to make my message as loud as possible and do the most on social media because that's the only way to get the message out, and conservatives again do it well. This is how you know that these are not our listeners. This is how you know that allegedly I heard a text was sent out in the conservative database Conservative you know groups to say pale them too.
The comments. This is how they're telling on themselves.
We have one hundred and fifty two thousand views on my interview this morning. Lack actually was fifteen last night, it was fifteen, fifteen five ninety four. Just a minute ago it was sixteen five ninety four to the t. Now it's sixteen six hundred, So just since I've been talking to you, it's been extra fifty. Instantly, when you look at the times that people are posting like back to back to back, like look I'm looking at I'm reading to you.
Guys. You can't see it because I'm not on a video. But literally.
Eleven seconds ago, races do exist. This show's approve it nineteen seconds ago. This girl needs an education twenty five seconds ago. The breakfast club need to stay away from politics thirty seconds ago.
America's not false.
Federal Reserve is literally a country forty three seconds ago.
Not all black people are dumb.
She's dumb fifty seconds seconds, fifty seven seconds ago, dumb, see dumb? A picture should be by her. Guys, you're telling on yourself. You're literally telling on yourself because at best this interview based upon this being a four hour entertainment show with eight million listeners twenty million on the podcast on a good day, three percent, we should maybe be getting three or four thousand comments. Engage you guys
are doing the most. You're at Damnar's seventeen thousand comments, which tells me that the text message that went out is probably true because of the consistency of the comments, because the amount of the comments, and I'm gonna say you paid for folks to do it. Some people say that you did, but I'm just showing you this guy is running a PR campaign.
This is a part for those of you that don't know.
I run Teslam figure Out Communications Group, so I actually do know how PR campaigns work. I worked on five twenty seven, so that's a pack that does this type of stuff to get people elected, to basically create campaigns that are designed to go against the opponent. I literally have done this, so I know exactly what it looks like. And you guys are overdoing it. You're telling on yourself.
So whatever you think you're showing me, you're not. But I actually now I'm excited about it because I'm excited to see you organize in this way. I want to beat Joe Biden's comment section, which was only twenty four thousand. By the way, Now let me show you why. Let me show you a more blatant example on why we know this is false, why the comments are not from listeners while we know it really is a campaign, to say, hey, go flood the conversations and let me tell you this,
There'll be no firing Teslam figure Out. I just want you all to know, stop with the she shouldn't have a job. I'm not Don Lemon number one. I'm not an employee, have a contract with iHeartRadio. I have for the last three years on my podcast, and can I give you some breaking news. I've said much worse on my podcast, guys, much much, much much worse. I actually took it kind of light. So iHeart is aware of who they had sitting in the seat, So you guys can stop that. And also can I also say, y'all
get Don Lemit fired. He was already on his way out the door. I know y'all want to take credit for that. I know, Bibi, he put that on his website that he embarrassed Don Lemon. I know the timing of that appeared that you fired Don Limmit, but you didn't.
You didn't.
But it's okay, neither here nor there. Let me show you why this is such. This is fake. Eighty five Sounds came to the show on the same day, the exact same day. Now, remember at the Breakfast Club is a entertainment show for four hours, so the majority of our leaders listen for entertainment. I do the news every morning, maybe ten minutes at best. Breakfast eighty five Seth came to the show on Friday this was the first time that DC young Fly did an interview since the loss
of his child's mother. That's why the views were so high. The views were at eight hundred and twenty thousand views. That's about what seven times more than our views. Guess how many comments? Two thousand and in seventy seven, two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven eighty five. Those that don't know, they have a number one trending movie right now on Netflix,
number one in the country. They've been bouncing from one to three in the last few days and they only got two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven, which is about right, because remember I said one, anything over three percent, you're doing really great. Let's look at the Would you guys say that the Joe that the Joe Biden interview was pretty popular? Would you agree? Put you put a one hundred up if you agree that the Joe Biden they say you ain't black, vote for me, you're not black,
or whatever he said. Would you say that was a pretty popular interview? Put a one hundred up if you believe that it trendedwhere it trended everywhere it was on mainstream media. Fox picked it up I'm sure seeing then covered it. It was on every conservative outlet. Oh man, they ran.
With that message. Just put a one hundred up if you believe that.
The Joe Biden vote for me if you ain't black video was a popular video. Well, it was actually folks on Breakfast Club. The video received one point three million views, and it's been sitting there marinating for three years. I want to show y'all how this worked. And I know y'all say, well it was so old ago, long ago. No, no, no, somebody actually commented three days ago, four days ago, eight days ago, ten days ago. It's still alive, like people
still watch this video. So even after a video that's been sitting there for three years, it only received twenty four thousand, seven hundred and thirty seven comments, a video that was probably the most circulated video in political interviews in recent you know, in recent if we say recent, you know, recent history five ten years, maybe only got twenty four thousand. Let's just round it up, twenty five
thousand comments. And it's been sitting there for three days and still is very active on social media because people are still commenting. So if that only got twenty five thousand, let's just round it up. And you mean to tell me a video that's only been watched one hundred and thirty seven times thirty seven thousand times got sixteen thousand, So we're only seven thousand away from a video that was probably the most watched in the last five years.
Come on, guys, this is a campaign. It's a pr campaign. Just call it what it is. And so they're upset because I out and Sonny, I appreciate you joining.
I know you.
I know he's been running from a debate with you, so I wanted you to join, and I want I want to you know, I saw the comment about inspiring him to do something for cibys, and that's not the point. The point is this. You guys can come up with all types of Oh yes, she's talking about the sixth grade, and that was just saying, hey, man, if you did anything other than yourself, let's go all the way back to the first grade.
Everything that he's done has been for himself. Period.
Nothing's going to change the fact that your guy just already voting a few years ago. I noticed nobody has anything to say about that. They keep going to me, she's angry, she's black, she's aggressive, she doesn't go that hard on Democrats, which actually I do. Actually I did with Fox News for a long time, and you guys ate it up.
You loved it. All the conservatives loved it. Oh man, she's a vetteran. That's right. We need more of her on our side. Oh yeah.
Matter of fact, Michael Cohen, who threw you guys under the bus, he literally offered me fame and wealth to come over to the Republican side. In case you didn't know that that good on democrats, that hard on democrats. Oh man, you need to come over to our side. We'll give you fame and fortune for those of you that don't know that. When I would go against Democrats and liberals and actually tell them to be quiet when I'm talking, far more rude than what y'all say I did here.
Oh man, they ate it up.
That's the type we need, tough and smart and da da da da they ate it up. So, guys, I know how conservatives moved. I know how democrats moved too. You only like it when I'm on your team A hundred. We're in a team sport.
I get it.
I've been doing this a long long long time. You wanted me to sit up there and talk about race. You wanted me to bring up something about race. You could say, oh, look, she's a racist. She's always talking about race. You wanted me to go back and forth about the Civil War. You wanted me to go back and forth about his policies. Man, I am amazing. Lucas broke it down perfectly. You wanted me to get into
the capitalism conversation. You wanted me just go back and look at the interview, and he said, what's Charla Mane? You know, I believe capitalism is the way. And Charlamagne said, well, say capitalism is bad. Well tell me more, Charlemagne, he wanted to This is a Harvard and a law, a Yale Law School grad. He wanted the debate about the
things that he's comfortable debating about. I brought up the one thing that was not debatable, which is you have not participated in democracy until the last few years, and you are requiring the only reason why I brought a military guys, is because he is requiring that in order to participate in democracy. The man said, if you cannot pass the Civics test at eighteen, which even though you take Civics all throughout high school. Then you need to go serve in the military for six months or a
first responder. That's the only reason why I brought it up, because it was relevant to the argument. He has not done either of those things. And you guys are missing the point. You're allowing them to pull you into the minutia of every other topic. Was I angry? Was I aggressive? Did I do something in the sixth grade?
Oh?
He did something. He sold a pharmaceutical, he created FDA, he is he had he did da da da da. Oh, he did far more than what you did in the sixth grade. I'm not following for it, guys. I know how you do. I'm really good at this, Believe it or not. You can't make me think that i'm not. You know how I know that I am because you guys are literally organizing a campaign in the comments section.
I made you organize round the applause, Ronald flaws for you exercising your comment service duty and getting busy in the comment section. And now I can say with my chest that that one question, that one interview, we're on track to beat Joe Biden's comment sation and conservatives. I think you can do more I think you can do more. I will be disappointed if we don't beat the twenty five thousand, So send out another text. Don't waste the comments on Twitter, don't waste them on TikTok. Go to
the comment sation. I'm literally asking you to do it. Follow the lead of a black woman and go to the comment section and get busy because in case you guys don't realize it, that's actually how this works. In case you guys don't realize it, that's how it works. For every comment. The algorithm pops up, pops it up. It makes it bigger, It makes the interview bigger. Can I give you guys another secret? Do you know I'm sitting next to Charlemagne to God, probably the most about in radio in history.
Do y'all realize that? Like, seriously, do y'all realize that? Maybe?
Well, you probably don't because you don't watch the show. Charlemagne's the most talked about in probably radio, at least in my generation and operation in radio history, this man has talked about every day, all day, across every platform. Literally, Oh hey, Joey, I saw you were talking about me as well. I hope you go back and rewind this Joey, so yeah, so talking about me and oh man, I'm sitting that to the guy that is most He literally
was cluwn. Literally was called an asshole. Literally, he would call himself that. So this is child's play. I want you guys to do better, Joey, like I told you yesterday, Joey, don't waste time talking about me in the comment section on YouTube, I mean on Twitter. Go to the comment section on YouTube and make your voice heard. Don't that sleepy Joe as y'all call him. Don't let sleepy Joe beat you. Did Joey leave? Did he get upset and leave?
Oh? Did Joey leave? When I called him by name? He left?
He was so talkative on the comments section and on Twitter. What happened, Joey? I want you to do a service, do a good pr service, and let's bump these comments up. Don't let Joe Biden beat you. And guess what, No matter how many times you comment which I want twenty five thousand, I'll be disappointed if you don't get twenty five thousand, it's still not going to change that. Your guy just started voting a few years ago, and he's requiring people to meet a certain benchmark that he wasn't
able to beat in order to participate in democracy. It's a pr campaign. You're doing a great job, by the way, but I want you to do better. I want you to do better. I want you to beat Sleepy Joe as y'all call him, beat Sleepy Joe's comments. Guys, come on, let's get twenty five thousand. You only need about five thousand more. Get busy. Bring in Sonny Johnson, who from my understanding, you guys have been avoiding talking to her. So what I do is I like to use my
platform since I'm getting you all upset. This is what I've done for years, by the way, I like to use my platform to shine a light on others, something that your God doesn't do ever. So let me pass the mic on over the sunny so she can say whatever it is she wants to say. And I'll keep doing this every day all day. We're all going to rise. Let's make sure that we can capitalize off this moment. Guys, you are big mad. I want to help you get
a little bit madder. And then I want to turn it over to other conservatives that has some things that they want to get off their chests so that we can use this time wisely. Good morning, Sonny.
You're in be small right now.
I want to what I like to say upfront is for the people who who do not understand why these conversations keep getting repeated, it's because we are giving very few opportunities where we are allowed to teach without having to with prime.
Examples that are current, right, and in this example, we.
Are giving the ability to be able to say, look, these are this is how these people operate. And I say this to black conservatives, especially the ones that are young and coming in, to really make them understand this. Right, So when you say this shit, that give them on white Republicans a tingle up their leg, and then all of a sudden, your Twitter followers start the skyrocket, and then you get you know what I'm saying, You start feeling a little uppity about yourself.
All of that is pre planned and predetermined.
They do that on a regular basis, just to make sure that they can have more black faces saying the stupid shit that they want to hear, and then they can use you as an example as to why it's okay for them to follow along with the dumb shit you say so. That's why if you notice most the majority of all of those counts that grow from like zero to twenty five thirty thousand, they all grow extremely
fast because they get in there with them. Put your hands up if you want to say anti black shit, and we'll.
Help you out like those type of people.
That's the way that these black faces, especially on the right, have been able to grow their accounts and magnify their own voices even when they offer nothing to the conversation
at all, point blank. So, when we have the ability in real time to get you to see the things that are happening, instead of complaining about us taking the opportunity to make sure you see these things, a lot of you need to be making sure you take this opportunity to put these tactical plays in your mind and making sure you're able to spot them every single time they happen.
Because one way that will really free up.
Our time from having to continuously go over the exact same lessons over and over again would be for you to catch them the first time. And we are dealing with a conservative base that does not that has short term memory, right, so they can have something fucked up happen and they'll forget about it one news story later. So when we are trying and trying and trying to teach something about this process, we should not be getting
so much blowback just for exposing what is there. We didn't make the fucking rules, right, We didn't create this, we didn't design this shit.
We only know that we got to operate within it.
So when we're showing you the rules and how the game is played, it'd be nice to have a lot less bitching and a lot more learning.
I heard that now just for those because I am up to upload this on the podcast and I want to make sure that people hear it, just so folks to know. For those who are saying, oh, yeah, she definitely talking about me, she wouldn't do that to a Democrat.
Actually I am. I go really hard.
And I've been knowing Sonny since probably about two thousand and nine, and so this has always been my style of interviewing. It's always been my style to call things out. I've always taken heat from Democrats and conservatives when I hurt their feelings as well, and so Sonny has always been a conservative. I know plenty of conservatives guys, So it has nothing to do with, Oh, you don't like conservatives.
I sat on a talk radio program in Orlando for years with he doesn't like to call himself conservative, but he leans to the right as well. So there's never been a problem with conservatives. What the problem is though, I called out this grifting campaign, and if you are a true conservative, like Sonny Johnson talks about all the time, you should be supporting people that are actually true conservatives. So I want to ask you, Sonny, what is it.
You also challenged mister Ramaswami to a debate as well. Can you explain that and why conservatives don't want to have conversations with you?
Oh?
I didn't. I didn't challenge him. He went out and he was talking shit about black people. So as soon as he started fixing his lips and start talking about us, I thought that I needed to be talking about him as well, you know what's good for the goose. So when I started calling him out and checking him on his bullshit, he came and said, oh, I'm open to debate, I'm open to conversations. I'll have this conversation with you, Sonny. Okay, cool,
I'm down, let's go. So somebody got in his ear from his campaign or in his network that told him that that was a bad fucking idea and that and that interview didn't come to pass. So I will say, for one thing, he got a couple smart people around him because they made sure of protect his ass from what I I was going to do to them. And but secondly, it shows you again that everything he runs on, when it comes time to put the pedal to the floor of the shit that he's saying, then you see
him act a different way. So he's all open for debate, he's all open for these conversations, but he wants to have these conversations with people as far on the left as he possibly can because it's easy to have those conversations because they won't they won't have nuance. Like you said, you can shape, you can direct, you can make it about race, you can make it about class, you can you know what I'm saying.
You can decide how to shape that argument.
But when you are dealing with another conservative that is going to question and nuanced your conservatism, that's when they get smart and say, no, you don't want that. No they don't, they don't want that conversation. And that's where that's what the majority of all of them, where all of them stand because if you, hey are real conservative, and put them up against these people, these people will be exposed for the frauds that they are.
And this is why they run from conversations.
With people like me.
And I would say people like in this room right now,
like Denise as well. Those people that know historical context and no policy, that have a connection with the black community, that understand our culture, that understand our faith, that is not trying to run away from black people, right those are the people they don't want to fuck with because once you bee us, once we get to going it, that everything they are, all their falsities, all their hypocrisy, all of that shit will be shown for what it is.
And that is why they run from us. Absolutely. And let me say this, I am very well aware. Let's just go ahead and put it on the table. When he came to the breakfast club, his expectation was not to see me on the monitor. Just so you guys know, Joey, what is joey with Joey? Why do you keep leaving? You keep popping in and coming out and leaving. Surely you're not being a snowflake, you had so much to say on Twitter. Make stay in, buddy, pull yourself about
the bootstraps and and and listen to the conversation. They weren't expecting to see me as well, because the show is actually DJ MB and Charlemagne, so let's just be real. His plan was, I'm just gonna go down to this little hip hop, little black negro show and I'll just you know, pop in and say, well, you know, it's smell and smile and I'm in amazing little's broken down
play by play. I'll just come in and talk over their heads and you know, talk a little bit about how I want to change the country and how we.
Need to all your night and dah dah, dah dah.
It was supposed to be in talk down, talk to and leave until I popped in and through a whole through the game, all the way off because he had no idea that I would be there, because they don't market me as a part of that show, and certainly not a part of that the interview. I'm really there to do the front page news. So I threw it off, and when he came in and said, oh, okay, hello, it was all over space. It also was all over space. How shook he was at the end of the interview. See, y'all, guys,
you didn't see that part. How upset he was at the end of the interview, so he wasn't expecting me to be there. He was coming in, like Sonny said, to what he presumed was probably liberal or left even though you guys got to make your mind up. One minute, y'all say Charlemagne is a conservative, the next minute, y'all say he's a Democrat.
I'm so confused. I need all of y'all to get together and figure it out.
But the point is he wasn't expecting to get the conversation that he had, and he damned show.
Let me just give you the game. Go.
Look at his interviews on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, they always asked, hey, people say you don't have experience, tell us why people should vote for you. His answer is the same, Well, you know, we need somebody from the outside. We need an outsider. We need somebody that's not a part of the process. We need somebody that's not a part of the bubble. In fact, he said that to
Charlemagne and the beginning. If you go back and watch the interview for those who say I overtalked, I didn't say anything for about the least ten For ten to fifteen minutes of the interview.
I came in towards the last.
It was just the most powerful of the pisch you I guys off the most so. Actually, he talked for a good minute before I said anything at all. It wasn't until Envy said, hey, Tesz, I'm sure she has some questions. Come on in, and when I said something, and I literally just asked one question and kept trying to give it back, saying I'm gonna give it back to Charlia Mane, I'm gonna give it back to charloat may.
He kept coming back to me, wanting the last word to like Lucas eloquently said, to reframe it, to reframe the argument, to change the narrative, and to go on. The problem is I wouldn't let him do it. That's the real problem. You guys are upset because I wouldn't let him do it. When we were talking about six grades being facetious, saying hey, have you done anything at all?
I'm begging anything.
Chris Cross Apple Sauce Fire Drill Leader Lunch cafeteria lead. There's something I was being just saying that you haven't done anything for anybody other than self, And I'm not impressed by people that do things herself. I had a business as well or profit business. I had three hundred employees as well. I know the difference between me volunteering my time outside of that business or me even putting that business up for criticism when I stood up for the NBA lockout in twenty eleven.
I know the difference.
And he faked tests because it is the test that he is requiring. Interesting, someday they keep forgetting that part planning is saying that in order to participate in democracy, you need to pass the Civics tests. Are participating in the military be A first responder asked, was he able to pass the test that he is free. It's so interesting that they keep skipping. And you guys can call me all the dumb and the aggressive and and all
that you want. The bottom line is your guy didn't start participating until.
A few ago. That's just the bottom line.
And I noticed they conveniently go over there because you're pissed that I exposed him to be the grifter he is.
It's just that, plain and simple. So I know you.
Keep cutting in, you keep cutting in and out.
Okay, I hope it didn't miss. I don't want to repeat all.
But you and like we can, we can make it out if you got common sense and you can put shit together.
But it is cutting in and out.
Okay, Well let me is it better now? Yeah? Okay.
The bottom line is I won't even repeat all of that. The bottom line is they were coming to a hip hop show thinking that they were thinking that he was going to be the smartest in the room.
And it's fine if he wants to be the smartest in the room.
He was not expecting me to be there, expecting me to ask about his voting record. Even in mainstream media, they haven't asked that question. They've as they said, what, hey, somebody like you that doesn't have experience, what do you you know?
What do you say to that? Well, you know, we need somebody from the outside.
Okay, let me can I speak on that real quick about his answer and the fact that you need an outsider. This is to me one of the things that pisces me off right because we learn a lesson on write watching Trump when you have a problem when you have a person that is an outsider that doesn't have any connections to the actual Republican Party.
So when you hear him talk, he never.
Ever ever can tell you what his interactions with the Republican Party will be. As president, you actually have to work with the with the political party, and his criticism is that the political party will not.
Let him in.
So we are somehow supposed to believe giving him the presidency with a political party that does not accept his ass that will not let him be become a part of the process, that treats him as an outsider want to somehow magically make the political wills turn the way that they are supposed to turn.
So even in his assessment of that we're in the hell.
It's his analysis of what is currently happening inside the Republican Party and how we plans to deal in with the dysfunction, separation, and detachment that the Republican Party is
now facing. So with this, with this acknowledgement that you don't have any experience and how the fucking machine works, it doesn't give much credence to those who are looking at the machine, seeing all of its faulty, seeing how it is broken, and realizing you don't have a fucking plan in place to fix any of it, right, And this kind of goes back to that meritocracy, because that's what the fuck they keep talking about, that it is a meritocracy.
That's how we operate in a meritocracy.
Right now, the RNC.
Doesn't have one single black fucking employee in the whole goddamn building.
So you're trying to tell me that all of these black faces.
You're running around talking about how equal they are, because that's what y'all believe, not one of them is actually qualified to be in your ranks. Not one of them is actually qualified to be in the political party that you say is so meritocracy slated, that same meritocracy that won't let your ass in. But for some reason, you never have to answer the question about how the Republican Party treats you, specifically when it comes to you being a candidate. So he, like I said, he doesn't even
have a single attachment towards the Republican machine. No respect, no honor, no connections, no relationships, no trust, no anything. And if we have not learned our fucking lesson being people on the right wing about having that total detachment. Than like that, We're gonna repeat some very very hard lessons over and over again, because that is not a recipe that actually works if you are trying to activate a political party.
And this is a great thing you say, you said, Denise's friend, because she's requested to speak, She's completely and guess what, Let's ride this wave. If they want to sit up and talk about me every day, we every day, I'll bring in nothing but conservatives. I'll repost it on my podcast, I'll put it on my Instagram. I'll make let's let's let them hear from you. Since they don't want to talk to you, let's go ahead and let's
play the game that they're playing. You want to have the Conversation's cool, I'll pass the mike to the conservatives. And I just want to finish on that point. And I'm gonna bring Denise up. I even brought that up in the interview. I said, have you ever did anything within the Republican leadership and the Republican Party at all?
And he totally ignored that as well.
Notice they're not bringing that up because it's so much easier to just bring up how aggressive I was. And I ruled I would. I didn't know conservatives were, so I thought they or snowflakes sonny.
I thought, oh, they need coloring books and safe spaces.
Okay.
See, I was so confused because the message has always been you guys like tough talk. All Fox News does is talk over people and interrupt people and get their point out. I didn't know, And I thought I was being kind of nice, because you know, girl, I can get really ugly.
I thought I was being kind of nice.
You was nicer than him, and you being you was nice to me.
When I come on your podcast, I gotta deal with Trump questions.
When I come on your podcast, you bring.
Him, that's right. So I thought I was doing quite well.
And I want to save this point guys for those who again because a lot of the people of the comments you're not Breakfast Club listeners, so you have no clue of how it actually works. It's an actual radio show, so we only get like thirty minutes because a lot of that was cut out on the actual radio.
It's not a YouTube show. It's an actual radio show. And so and the time that we have to go.
With interview, because it about thirty minutes, it ended up being forty two minutes on YouTube. A lot of that
we had to cut cut out. So even so folks are saying, oh, I wish you would have said this, and I wish you would have said that, and I wish you would have asked more about this, and like Sonny's talking about getting to the nuances, we don't have time for that when I do podcasts, like I've had Sonny on my show several times, and we talked about conservative issues, line by line, nuances by now, we can sit there for an hour straight, you know, uninterrupted.
Two hours straight.
I've sat here talked through this on Twitter space for sometimes four hours at a time, twelve hours at a time. I think my record on the Twitter space was literally twelve hours. So I have no problem like going through all of the nuances, all of the minutis, all of the bullshit, like we can go through it line by line by line by line. I was on a radio show. That does not happen. Because you sit on YouTube doesn't mean it's a YouTube show. We just didn't have the time.
So I appreciate everybody said, oh, man, I wish you had said this, and wish you said that.
There was just no time. I really only have maybe.
Two questions I can get in at best because there's two other people interviewing as well. That's why I was quiet halfway through. It's my particular question on this visions.
One statement.
My one particular question stung so bad because I didn't get into like Sunny just brought up a good point about how he has no connections in the Republican Party. I wouldn't have had time to do that. My point was, bottom line is you just started voting a.
Few years ago.
You're asking people to serve in the military. You have nothing not done either, nor have you done anything besides anything that I profit and benefit yourself.
I tried to let it go.
He kept coming back, trying to explain and reframe it, and I wasn't going for the bullshit. I could have said, well, you know what you got that you're right and let him go on, but that's just not my style. So that is what you're seeing, guys. That's why they're pissed off. They didn't like it because he wasn't able to sit there and run his pr campaign of the bullshit.
I wanted to say, quick, why they let me tell you why I.
Can serve it as hate, not even necessarily what you did to vvet Breakfast Club as a whole, right, because, like you pointed out, some of the most relevant sound clips as far as the Biden administration and Black America have come from Breakfast Club have come from Charlemagne.
Right.
So every single time Charlemagne catches one of these Democrats, whether it's Hillary Clinton having a hot sauce moment which they still talking about, like, every single time he catches them in one of these moments, it becomes a right wing kind of clip.
A viral clip on the right wing.
Look what Charlemagne, you know what I'm saying.
And that's the only time that they give Charlemagne any flowers whatsoever, because they hate black culture.
So the last.
Thing that they would want is somebody likes Charlemagne who is from the culture to be able to have more move and sway on the political conversation than they do. So for all of these people of color, and I'm talking about especially these black faces, whenever they talk about the color, I mean about the culture, you can see their venom start to seep out because they cannot they cannot understand while we as black people would hold more value in a Charlemagne than we would hold in their
black faces. Right to them, we shouldn't choose Charlemagne, we should be choosing them. And the fact we consistently the fact that we consistently choose Charlemagne, we consistently choose dj envy like we consistently choose them over these black faces, that pisces them off.
And what they would let me say, what they want to do, more than what they want to do, more than anything, is they want to make sure with their behavior that.
They separate.
Breakfast club from any of our people on the right right. So if they are vitriolic, if they are nasty, if they are disrespectful, if they are downright bigger than hateful monsters, then that will make breakfast clubs stay away from us, you know what I'm saying. And that's what they're trying
to do. They want to make sure that their behavior causes the kind of riff that no matter how much we do, no matter how much we build bridges, build fences, build conversations, that their ugliness, that their divisiveness, that their nastiness will always make sure we never have real conversation.
And that is their main goal. Absolutely and too bad.
So sad, guys, because again, I've known Sonny for over a decade, so I know real conservatives. Shout out to Dane in the building. I see you, who also works with judsejoh Brown. I think he's one of no doubt about his conservative views. I've been on his show several times and we've had great conversations. So it's so unfortunate because actually, guys, I actually really do know conservatives, Black
conservatives for real, and I know. And so you're not going to close the door because I'm here to open it. So just so you guys know, we see the play. We know the play, and I want to speak. I want to save this to the Democrats and the liberals. You know, it's so just like Sonny mentioned when Charlomagne says something against Democrats. Oh man, they love they It's usually them to make the videos too. You know, Hey, look at him, he's over there chucking the job for
the conservatives. Look at him. He's just a Republican. He's just a trumpert. He's just he's just that. I can't stay in the breakfast club. They always giving a Republican to that. Now they just saw me a viscerrate vibe. I noticed their retweeting it. They're not talking about it. You know why, Sonny, because they have to be able to say, they have to keep their narrative alive to say they never do this to conservatives, they never do this to Republicans do this.
So they're sitting back watching all of this, knowing.
That they could say, you know what, I think one girl did he yes to say, you know what, I don't really rock at the breakfast club. But they got this one right. See, they can't play into that too, because this is a team sport. It's not a lot of real ones like us to say, hey, I deal with the real, no matter if you're a conservative, a
Democrat or liberal or whatever. I did with the real. See, it hurts their narrative too, because they have to be able the next time when I get into a Democrat like I did, Mary Anne Williamson or Justin Pearson, they have to be able to say, oh, yeah, she only does this Democrats, like they're saying, now, oh she only does this to Indian Americans. They have to find See, this is all about, guys, we're giving you the game. This is all about whenever you go against their team.
It's all about pal on. Just conservatives, i would say, are just better at it than Democrats. They really pal on because meanwhile democrat kind of go on to the next thing, go on to the liberal, or they play the you know, I'm above it role, like Joyce said, you know I'm above it. He can't come on my show. I'm above it. I'm not gonna engage. So they do that, which they and she has the right to do that. She says, he doesn't even deserve to have a conversation.
I'm always down to the conversation. I'm down with getting beat up or what y'allever y'all think, because really you're just typing. And for those people asking what I did in the military, I was an M sixty gun. I was a security police officer. So that that type of talk, that that typing your ass off, it doesn't put fear in me at all. I've taken death threats, I've done it all. So at the end of the day, guys,
you're you're showing your slip. Let's give it over to Denise because I know she had some things to say. And anybody else, Sonny that you think needs to come up and talk because I want to put this on a podcast, and I'm really gonna push to make sure
that we get your voice. Well, I've been doing it for over a decade with you, But if we need to keep having this conversation, if they want to keep using me as the person that you know to have, you know, to say, oh, let's beat her up, let's make them listen to some black conservice and make sure your voice is bumped up as well. So if anybody else, Sonny, I don't know, because I know a lot of people
just get on the troll. So there's anybody else, let me add you as co host, does anybody else you want to just give the mic to feel free and I'll do Denisa, You're up next, and I know you have another space you have to do as well.
Hey, thank you Teslin, and thank you Sonny. Teslin a beautiful job. Thank you for not falling for the charm
offensive that Vivic has been on. So there's another part of this, and I hope I don't get kicked out of the space for saying this, but we have to realize that part of Vivic's pr in addition to him selling the book, as you'd commented, is he is trying to normalize Asian advocacy to as they are championing change the face of America to the point where they're they're piling on and ganging on with the folks who want to erase the negro legacy in this country and frame
it as some kind of victimhood, perpetual victim blaming and the like. So with this whole merit fairness and equality thing, the MFE idea, he and all these other conservatives including RUFO and the like are trying to normalize his message and send the message that brown folks can come to America and excel, and those who are here who aren't excelling, it's all because you haven't put in the work to make it. So systems be damned and the historical impact
be damned. And Teslin, you and I actually recorded an interview about Kiitanji Brown Jackson's appointment probably whenever that happened for Revolt TV quite some time ago.
So that was my.
Yeah, that was great, and it was to see you work and you're very powerful at what you do. So yeah, and you know, I had a space about masculine women, so what now what? And I put it in air quotes because I don't buy the idea I black women haven't been able to rest on our laurels and be all super like, come take care of me and save me. We've had shit to do and when stuff Sorry, I don't mean to cuss in your space, we had.
Nothing to do. I'm normally much worse.
Okay, thanks, you know, we had stuff to do, and when stuff needed to get done, we didn't look around to see who was gonna do it.
We just did it.
That's kind of part of our legacy. That's kind of how we move. So the whole idea about the masculine and being rude and all of that, he deserves a
little bit of rudeness. I'm sorry, but the idea that you would applaud yourself for getting a black man at fire while he was talking to you about your history, I think was really disgusting to me, even though I hear what you're talking about with the background with Don already being on his way, but just to even put that out there as an accolade on your resume was really problematic. So here's my question to you, though, And so, as a political strategist and someone who is obviously very
experienced with message discipline when it comes to politics. You talked about the game, which is how they send out the text. They send out the email, they follow certain Twitter pages, Facebook, the whole thing, and they rally to support the message that's going to advance the public narrative, that will set the emotional tone and therefore the political will for the actions they want to see. I wonder what you say to black folks about how we need to move when it comes to that, because I do
hear people being selectively outraged about who they support. If the messenger ain't one hundred percent what you want to see about one hundred percent of the topics, then you don't support it. So what are your thoughts about what I'm going to call political maturity and message discipline and political strategy from the Black American Negro freedman right perspective to cultivate the emotional, intellectual, and political will to get
our agenda normalized in the public narrative. I know that's a lot of words, and I hope what I'm saying is makes sense because I know you I'm.
Ming and Mason, no, no, no, you're not.
And again this is why I love Twitter spaces because we can flush this all out and we don't have to be cut off by commercial And I know exactly what you're saying. And for those that don't know, just giving you because apparently nobody looked at my background. So I was the racial justice director for Bernie Sanders and he also ran obviously a populist campaign in twenty fifteen. Just giving you conservatives to keep trying to run you know,
I guess think you know about me. Give you some background. And this was in twenty fifteen when nobody knew who Bernie Sanders was. I was the only black person on the ground in Michigan from the national level and was credited for having a huge impact on why we were able to win that state and be Hillary Clinton a historic when because I was the one that and I got to give this just bear with me, because I want you to know who they're actually talking to, that
I'm not just an interviewer. I actually work on the ground. I was the one, the only one that connected Bernie Sanders to the black people. That's why Sonny's talking about how it's important to work with black people that actually know black people. So Bernie Sanders didn't know five black people probably in life. And so I was the only one literally that connected him to Danielle Green and people
in the Flint community. So while Hillary Clinton was coming in and just you know, shaking hands and kissing babies and lead and leaving, I was building relationships on the ground. And I'm saying this because it's going to tie into your answer to me. And so when Bernie Sanders came in and hugged Danielle Green, this is how I know how pr works.
Hugged Danielle Green. They took that picture. They took that photo.
He talked about it in every camp, every speech after that. They made campaign videos after that because it was the first time that you saw Bernie Sanders be assault empathy on his face. As you guys know, he is one that doesn't show emotion. So that one photo of him hugging Danielle they took that and they ran with that, and it made a huge influence of why we were able to beat with a state that Detroit had all
of you know, Hillary Clinton had Detroit sold up. I went to Flint and then all of the white folks on campaign went on the outskirts to the labor organizers and so That's how we were able to beat in two percent. I did that, by the way, while my mother was also every other weekend, I was going home because she also had cancer, and I was going home to my five or six year old child at the time.
So this is why I challenged politicians and talk about what they have time to do and what they don't have the time to do.
You don't want me going down eats.
But anyway, neither here nor there, we won that state and now Danielle Green. Fast forward, after everybody left the Bernie Sanders, the Hillary Clinton or whatever, they didn't know they'd keep their relationship with daniel Green. They didn't know that eventually she would run for state up for school board. They didn't realize that the one person that supported Bernie Sanders at the time is now literally the Flint mayor. He was a house rep at that time. Because they
lost those relationships. So if Bernie Sanders had to run today, he wouldn't know anybody in Flint because he hasn't kept those relationships. So when you say, well, what do we do, Tesla, I never try to focus on one hundred percent of the black community. They are not trying to focus one hundred percent of the Indian community, a hundred percent of the White community, one hundred percent of the Asian community, one hundred percent of the Spanic community. They simply do
what I tell people all the time. Get your coalition, get your people. It could be ten, it could be fifteen, it could be twenty, and you organized stop waiting on one hundred percent of the culture so say and begging and pleading and getting them to get on board, because that's not going When you talk about fifteen thousand comments, I'm looking at a lot of these people who have created new accounts, who have made multiple a discipline to
go in ten times, fifteen times, twenty times. It's what I credit the Reparations movement for what they've been able to do on Twitter. It's not a lot a lot of people, guys. When you look at the people in the Twitter spaces that are having these conversations about reparations, you see the
same people over and over and over and over. When you look at when I first started and saw the conversation about reparations, that I would look at people who were starting those conversations and I see thirty thousand followers, fifty thousand followers, maybe one hundred thousand followers, but the conversation seems so big because it was a dedicated group of people that just plowed over and over and over and over. The criticism that I would say with that,
I won't even say that movement. With some movements, they don't share the space with other people to make it grow. So I've been doing Sonny, like I said, since two thousand and nine. There has never been an opportunity. I don't want to say never because it's absolute. But anytime I've seen her in my space and she wants to speak and she raises her hand or even times what I say, Sonny, can you tap in?
I always lend the mic.
When I got my podcast on iHeartRadio twenty twenty, she was one of the first people I brought on. She's the same to me with serious We have always lended our space to each other. So it's not a matter of getting them on board. It's a matter of getting us on board, the ten or fifteen or twenty or so of us that know how to push the line.
You mentioned revolt and how you came on a revolt.
I got to show we're gonna we're gonna do about ten episodes on Revolt in July. Instead of having one co host, I said, let's get four or five. I want to hear different voices people that I have followed or that I know throughout the years, that even I don't may not agree with everything they say. It could have just been just me and my show. I'm already a commentator on Revolt, but I said, no, let's get this person. That person. Let me lend the space to
them as well. So it's just a matter of connecting with folks like me and folks like Sunny and keep pushing the line because they're not gonna do it.
That's what I'm saying.
Democrats, it seems that it seems that Don Lemon himself will want to retweet what I did. It seems that people that support Don will want to retweet what I did, but they can't. You know why, they can't denise because then it would be them feeling like they're crediting the breakfast club, and they have to stay mad at the
breakfast club. It would be then crediting me because they have to make sure that they are the toughest in the room at all times, and surely they don't want to do that, so they don't want to make a scene like but guess what I did. I share Joy's comment on my Instagram. She hasn't shared mine. She follows me.
She saw it. They saw it, and I'm not mad at Joy. It's just how I move.
I shared her commentary on my Instagram. I shared it on my Twitter. None of them have shared mind, none of them. And it's not that they don't see it. It's just they can't go against the narrative that the breakfast club is trade. So when you are truly independent like myself, and willing to have conversations for real and real life and real life for people, not just for pr I go against everything that both sides stand for when it comes to, you know, playing the team sport
if you will. I have gotten beat up for you know, whether it's Bernie Sanders I'm not a socialist, whether it's working with Crumb.
Oh yes, he's working with Crumb. He's a grifter.
Well, I do his policy, and I'm proud to say that I worked on fifty pieces of legislation for police reform. I've gotten beat up in this Twitter space for attending Tariq's rally.
Oh you're over there with Tarik. You're a drifter. I've gotten beat up for talking to Sunny. Oh you're over there with the concerned. He must be concerned. I've gotten beat up for talking to Charlotte Manne. Oh yeah, he just this and that.
It hasn't I've always taken a hit for everybody and everything that I've done. So you just have to find more people like that and just connect. Fuck fuck the rest of them. We're here having this conversation now, if they want to use my name. Amazing Lucas when he did that video, I've never met that man before in my life. I don't know anything about him. I just saw the video and said, you know what, I'm going
to amplify this. And I didn't just retweet it. I called in his show and said, hey, I Tesling, I want to thank He was talking about me literally on the show. He doesn't know me, but I said, you know what I want to I appreciate what you did.
I appreciate what you did.
Brother.
Let me call in and not no, no, not only that, Denise, let me send one hundred dollars to the super check. Let me put my money where to Matthews. So this is why guys, I don't when you look at multimillionaires shout out to Vivian for doing the scholarship shout I'm glad I inspired you because I'm not impressed whether it's him or Mary Anne Williamson who are multi multimillionaires. I'm gonna always challenge him to do more and do better
and put service over self. My girlfriend did a speech at her dad's funeral on Saturday and elected about service over self. I'm service over self. So I'm not impressed about what you do for profit. I'm impressed on what you do for everybody else. And guess what, still didn't vote in the last two or three years and you're still running a pr campaign. But I'm glad that you're using it for some good use to benefit somebody else.
I'll give you that.
Credit, but just know that you're moving according to the pressure that I put on you.
Baby. That's it.
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