Omarion Talks Growth To Mindfulness, 'Unbothered", B2K Drama & Mor

first thing is brush my teeth. You know what I'm saying? Good, I mean everything on a spiritual level, Okay, Um, I definitely take a beat, you know. UM, usually do some breath work, you know what I'm saying, say some affirmations, and I pretty much get my day started after that. When did when did you start doing this? Was this always your routine or this is something that you did later in life? For yeah, it's something that I, um, I found more productive later on in life, you know

what I'm saying. I felt like I've always been spiritual, but um, just you know, adding the affirmations, it's just kind of you know, um, and the breathwork has kind of like definitely powered me up in a different way than like drinking coffee or you know, doing anything outside of myself. Yeah. I feel like at some point you went on a real journey of healing because I remember when you was on your physical routine with the boxing and everything, and then it feels like at some point

you started realizing I got to get mentally and emotionally stronger. Yeah. Also because of a lot of the things that you know that were like happening on the outside, you know what I'm saying, um, And that's why this book really kind of came into fruition unbothered the power of choosing joy because you know, I needed to do something more, you know what I mean, I needed to turn it inside and you know, really you know, figure out what

worked for me, you know what I'm saying. And the breathwork, you know, the mantras, all of these things that I'm sharing in the book definitely put me, you know, on another level. Just as far as emotional intelligence, you know, um, our culture you know really struggles with that man, you know what i mean, emotional maturity and maturity just period,

you know what I'm saying. As as I've grown, you know, as a father, being a parent, you know what i mean, Like life has definitely showed me that, you know, things are not always happening to you, things are happening for you. You know what I'm saying. You feel like this book saved you, uh in a way to your practices? Do you feel like it saved you with like you said,

everything going on from the industry. You feel like if it wasn't for some of the things that you practice in this book, that you would have wild out and did so stupid and for sure, for sure because it's so easy to do that. It's so easy to succumb to your you know, emotions and to um not be thoughtful, you know. And that's what really being unbothered is about,

you know what I'm saying. Um, A lot of people get misconstrued like what I'm bothered is about because you know, it's definitely an attitude, but you know, people don't understand it's being unbothered is dealing with emotions. You know what I'm saying. It is recognizing and realizing like, Okay, I feel this way, you know what I mean? But why

and what's the best thing for me to do? Um? Oh, when you get bothered, not staying there, that's something you learning, you know, especially in CBT cognits to behavior therapy when you are bothered, when you are triggered, not staying there right right now. One thing you talked about that in this book is fair, yeah, and how you can make fear actually be productive. So for yourself, there's a lot of things that you went through at a young age that could have been scary for you or you were

scared to do. What are some tips you would get people on how to make fear more productive for your life? Well, definitely, you know, realizing and recognizing like why you feel it, you know, facing it. It's it's actually more productive than you know, staying stuck, because that's what fear does. Fear kind of like paralyzes you from growing, you know. So you know, fear early on definitely became my friend and my journey because you know, stepping to the stage is

like nerve racking too. You know a lot of people don't understand that. You know, when you get into the stage, it's always something different every time. You know what I'm saying, It might you know, be some family stuff. You know, it might not just be that you know, this sound man isn't working or this is going on, you know, being able to be productive and know that you know, at the end, all you can do is give your

best effort. You know. Fear has been definitely you know, in the front seat with me my whole journey, and I got a great relationship with it. I like having these conversations with people like you could you've been around for such a long time. When you're young and you know you don't have the language that you have now, they'll throw you out on the stage even if you are dealing with something you gotta you gotta push through. Yep. So how was that? How did you have to coo

put that back? Then? Did you even realize that you were going through? Nah? Nah? Actually, because I was so young, you know what I mean, Like a lot of the time, you know, um in the future, certain things would come up and I would be like, why do I feel that way? You know what I'm saying? And it was because you know, I was in the moment, but but but not really a present, you know what I'm saying. So so yeah, so what was what? What would you

say the reason you wrote this book? I would say the main the core reason is not only to share my stories, but you know, like the late great Nipsey Hustles say, you know, UM, to inspire is the highest human act. So you know, I'm just really hoping that, you know, I can be a voice you know for you know, all the people that's coming up and that needed this infort I needed this information, you know what I'm saying. Um, I'm just hoping it inspires the world.

You've been keeping a lot of shit in the tuck though, Maria. I feel like you feel like you came with the book then the first of the Doctor. Yeah, and it was like Mario's writing a book. I'm like, damn, he was holding all that in the chamberhood. Yeah, got an album too, in the cut, you know what I mean, wrote a TV show, you know what I mean, doing

a movie. So yeah, I just buckled down and really start focusing on what I feel like, you know, these different verticals, like what I want to contribute at this point in time, you know, because it's hard to stay mot motivated in this game. You know, they're always changing the goal posts, you know, and a lot of people are not you know, in tune all the time. You know, they're like, well what are you doing? Or you know, and it's like yo, you know, I'm one of the

few child prodigies that came up in the game. So work for me is this, you know what I'm saying, This is my life. This is what I've contribute the most energy too. So you know, I'm always I'm always working on something. It made you not respond or right, because you've been going through a lot the last ten years, everything and every I mean ninety percent of people are

gonna respond somehow someway. Yeah, whether it's personal, whether it's relationship, whether it's family, whether it's your group, whether it's your label, whatever it is, you don't respond right? Why I think that? Um, you know, I'm I'm a I am a methodical person. I am a thoughtful person. So a lot of the time, you know, if I am going to respond, I want to make sure that you know, I get what I need from it, you know what I mean? Because rarely when we react into life that we actually get what

we want, you know what I mean. So for me, I've always just been like, okay, you know, um, at those moments, you know, those ups and downs of my career, I've always just been like, I'm gonna do what's best for me, you know, Um, you check a box like I remember he said that. She said, I definitely, I

definitely have a mental list. Nah, No, I don't. I don't think because I'm sure enough to realize that a lot of people's perspectives and just position in life are you know, temporary, you know what I'm saying, Because things change, you know what I'm saying. So I try my best to not take things personal. You feel like you slipped a little with all these things that have been happening, and he has to be like, let me go back

into my arm. No, I think. No. I think that it's important to stand up for yourself too, you know what I mean. I think people get confused when you know, people speak up, that it's like, oh me not or me being bothered instead of being unbothered. But I think that it's important to also stand up for yourself and speak up when you feel that, you know what I mean. I think that's important as a man, you know what I'm saying, to really speak up for yourself on your journey.

Otherwise you know, um, you know, things just don't happen. But okay, so what about Rasby saying he was triggered by certain things in the documentary did you feel some type of or more It's like, Okay, this was a serious issue you know for him, I think, um, for raz that you know, UM, he's a really it's interesting, you know, UM because you know, he obviously is intelligent enough to see an opportunity to speak about things, you know, um, and use it to his advantage, you know. Um. And

what do I mean by that? You know, I just mean that, you know, I've never I mean, I know Rasby, you know what I mean. And I've never heard him say he's been triggered, you know what I mean. But I also, you know, have you know, along with my team, especially on tour, you know, have given him the opportunity to better his process, and you know he hasn't taken

those opportunities, you know. And the thing that's I think that's tough for me and a lot of people to understand it is, you know, as you know, a type of brother, you know, you have to hold your brother accountable, you know what I mean. So when he said that he was triggered, I think that that is something that he could have felt. But you know, if people watch actually watch the docu, you know I was there supporting him,

you know, although that small clip was out there. You know, me and my team, we were out there supporting him, asking them what he needed, you know, um, trying to figure out, you know, our best to help him face you know, these very traumatic things that he's been through. You know. So I just thought it was interesting, you know, that he decided to see the clip you know, in which you know, he uh you know, wrote off on

to say that he was being triggered. I thought, I just thought it was interesting because he knows that, you know, I've been for me. He had to sign off on his part in the documentary. Yes, I'm saying, like, you know, just was interesting. It's just like, yo, but you know, we were on tour and we were supporting you. We told you ask and how did that work? But you know how healing is though. Healing is like it's not

a destinations. Something may not bother you on Monday, but that's the same thing might trigger you onto Yeah, and you're right, You're right. I agree, you know, I just think that it's it's interesting in the timing, you know what I'm saying, because that clip had been out there for a couple of days and then it was just like Okay, but are you getting help? Bro? Yeah? Are you taking the steps? Are you taking the steps you know to to not always express you know, your emotion

student Internet, like, are you doing the work now? Are you doing the work? That's not what I see? That's not what I see? And how is it with you know, because you guys were brothers growing up, Like, yeah, you guys were everywhere together. You guys grew up with each other. So how is it that you guys really don't mesh and speak and communicating When they do it's usually I haven't heard you say really much bad about them, anything bad about them, but them talking bad about you? So

how does that work? Because you all are still on tour a world? Yeah, um, yeah, that's that's a that's a that's a challenging question just because you know, there were a lot of people, you know, like, let's let's just take the concept of brotherhood, right, you know what I mean, everybody has a different version of that, you know, fortunately, because some people don't actually have siblings, you know what

I mean, it means different things to different people. So I would say, in one aspect through our journey, you know, we were put together to be brothers, you know, what I'm saying. But I don't think in essence we were you know what I'm saying. I think that, you know, there were a lot of people, you know, that made sure that we connected and then disconnected, you know what I mean. You know, certain people on our journey, it's almost like we were made to be brothers, to be

secret enemies, you know what I mean. And there's only certain stories that could kind of you know embody like what that means, you know, because I believe in the real brotherhood, jealousy doesn't exist. You know. You might you might feel like you might feel like, Okay, well dang, look at my bro he going up. I want to be inspired, but it never makes you vindictive. It never makes you jealous. It never makes you go past a certain point, you know. And with our journey, you know,

things have went way past go you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I would say in the aspect of our journey, you know, we're we have a brotherhood, but in reality, you know what I mean, I wouldn't say that they identify as what I consider my brother, like my brother Ryan, you know, like our journey, the things that we've shown each other, you know, the challenging times we have. The way we got through that, you know, that's how you're able to really truly identify who someone is to you

in your life, you know what I mean. Somebody that loves you. You know, they don't do certain things. You know, they don't say certain things. You know what I'm saying. So you know, if we're just really looking at it, you know what I mean as far as what it is, you know what I'm saying. If it acts like a duck, if it talked like a duck, it's a duck. You talk about forgiveness in the book too, though, yes, so do you believe in that? I know you also say

there was like an elder person who really was manipulative. Yeah, and that's what kind of caused the strain and the relationship. Do you think that there's a way to discuss things behind the scenes off camera and come to some healing because you did, you know, sit down with jay Bug and give them a chance. You talk about that in the book as well, and you know, decide to reconnect and go on tour. But can you see something like that happening or do you feel like some things, like

you said, fuck it, I can't control it. Yeah, I think that there's definitely a lot of you know, healing, you know what I'm saying, that could go on, and that would be awesome, you know what I'm saying. But I will also say that, like, you know, we're all definitely on different levels. But as far as forgiveness goes in the aspect of the book, the reason why forgiveness is so important because as you know, it's for you too, you know, And it doesn't mean that you have to,

you know, decide now because I forgive you that. You know, we're all of a sudden going to do what we was doing, you know what I'm saying. You know, it's a process, you know. And I would say for me, you know, um, it's been a it's been a long journey. It's been such a process for me to be able to really understand how certain things in certain people's lives and even in their journeys that you can't even speak about.

It's not even your right, you know, to be like, yeah, well, y'all don't really know what happened, because I do, and I'm just choosing to be respectful to you know, allow someone to really speak about their journey you know what

I mean. And that's so important, you know what I'm saying, to not step on people's toes and for me, you know, I've forgiven them, you know what I'm saying, You forgive them, but not necessarily forget or not necessarily want to be in you know, a brotherhood or a relationship or anything

with them ever. Again, they're like, I can forgive you, but yeah, yeah with you, well, it's like I can forgive you, you know, but at this point in time, you know it, you know our relationship, you know, it doesn't serve you know where I need to be and the energy that I must keep myself in in order to keep my own peace, you know. Um. And that's the most interesting thing about people you love. You know what I'm saying. You even got to take breaks from them,

you know what I'm saying. So yeah, if you want to, you know, put it plainly, then I would say, do we ever know a person's whole story? Though? Because you said that, you know, you know, you said you wouldn't speak on certain things because you I guess know, but you ever really truly know everything that a person though?

I think that, Um, I think I think yes and no you know, Um, I think the people closest you know, you know what I'm saying, even though it is another perspective, you know what I'm saying, I think, yeah, you know what I mean, there's certain people like I could speak about my kids in a certain type of way I'm saying.

So I think there's people that you know. But for the most part, you know, um, you can surmise what's going on, and you can definitely see the influences and you can see you know, who takes you know, more percentage of the influence, you know, through the actions. So yeah, I want I wanted to ask, and you know, we haven't seen you a long time, so zil you no more questions? When when one of the members of the group was talking to your baby's mother, your children's mother. Yeah, Abril, yeah,

Abril Yeah, how did that make you feel? Because you know, it's it's when you think about certain things, it's a man like, you know, punch me in my face, keep my car, you know, pop my tires, call me a bitch ass nigga, right, but certain things you just don't do. So at that point, how did you feel and did

you know? Um, yeah, I knew you know I heard, and you know, it really turned up my own bother because he turned from no I did, No, I didn't a whole nother, you know what I'm saying, because I knew that what he was doing was on purpose, you know, And it didn't really prove anything, you know what I'm saying.

It didn't really prove anything because you know, at the end of the day, you know, you have to recognize that people make their own choices, and most of the time it don't even have nothing to do with you, you know what I'm saying. So he made that choice, and I don't think it was a smart choice. What about her? Did you ever feel like, why why are

you doing this? Yeah? Man, yeah, you know I asked that question, you know many times, you know, because I can't put you know, for the sake you know understand, But but you know, from from her perspective, you know, someone that's hurt, you know what I'm saying. You know, hurt people, hurt people, you know what I mean, And some people just take it to another level, you know what I mean. And she definitely took it to a

whole another level. And I remember was having that conversation here and I said, well, I don't know if Marion and uh fiars are close, they might not be close, but so in his mind that might not be a violation. But for her, clearly y'all had a situal relationship y'all. Yeah, I mean anybody that's around me, you know what I mean, anybody that I invite into my space. You know what I mean. I'm obviously comfortable with them, you know what I mean. So you know, um to say that we

ain't close, you know what I'm saying. You know, because this was like early on, you know, early on, you know, when I you know, invited And this is probably the last time I'll speak about this, you know what I'm saying. Exercise, Yeah, I speak about this about it. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. But um, you know, uh, when me and FIDS linked back up, you know, it was it was like definitely some synergy, you know what I'm saying. Like he was definitely in a different you know, personality,

you know what I'm saying. You know, I would say that he was more like humble, you know, he needed he needed something, you know what I'm saying. So you know when we was hanging out, you know, that's what the vibe was, you know what I mean, We were going on bike rides. We was really essentially getting back to a new level you know, of brotherhood, you know

what I'm saying. And there was times that he came over, you know what I mean, and he was dealing with other girls, and he came over while me and April were in a relationship, you know what I'm saying, His invitation you know, to be on love and hip like all of that, you know what i mean. So that's why I said it turned up mind father, because I knew that it was intentional, you know what I mean. And it was just like why are you doing that? Though? Bro? Like what do you get from this? You know what

I'm saying? Like what you you think you won a contest or something, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, what you did was destroy something? You know that, you know, one apology, you know what I mean, It's not enough, you know what I'm saying. So you still decided to go on tour with them? Yeah, what was that decision? Like? Because what most people would be like, So what was that? Because you had to forgive to at least allow them to allow them to make money, right, Yeah, so what

what the most important thing to me? You know, um, outside my own experience, you know, for myself. You know, once I had kids, you know what I mean, that changed everything for me, you know, and that changed everything for me just as far as you know, my consideration and you know, them not asking to be here and you know what it means to really be a father, you know what I mean to be a father, you have to consider those things, you know what I'm saying.

So you know, I had to ask myself, was my hate or my disdain for my experience, you know, more important than you know the connections and the impact that I've had on music, you know, um, during my time in the group, and when I thought about how impactful that would be to my kids, you know, that was That was pretty much how I decided, you know what

I'm saying. And I was just like, you know, whatever they did, you know what I mean, whatever people did, like, it can't compare to that, you know what I'm saying. So that was that was my That was my deciding factory. Yeah. No, my mom's was just like I mean, everybody in support, you know, my family, um, and I have to definitely you know, thank Michelle. You know what I mean, Because Michelle was really the real reason why I decided to

go on tour, because she helped me understand that. You know, because for so long you know what I mean, I, um, you know, have been on her right there. She's my business partner. She is my CEO of my company OWW or Marion Worldwide. So um, you know, she really helped me see the value in Um, you know why it was important to do it as well, because you know what I'm saying, for the longest I've been you know, you know, striving to mature from O Marion from B

two K you know what I mean. And you know so many other artists has had an opportunity to do that. You know what I'm saying. Beyonce, you know, justin timber Lake, you know what I'm saying. Um, yeah, you know what I mean. I've always been pulled back, you know what I mean, And I couldn't figure figure that out, you know what I'm saying. Um, I feel like you did, Rick. I feel like you do have your own identity. I

do have my own identity. But you know, as far as the connectivity, you know, to the imprint in which how B two K separated. It was undone, you know what I'm And it wasn't It was undone, not from us the group. It was undone in our experience, you know, And that's why it came back around. So that's what I mean. I don't mean not having an identity outside of that, because I've obviously been successful as a solo artist, you know, on my own with number one albums, et cetera,

et cetera, you know what I'm saying. So that's not what I mean. I just mean, you know, being supported by you know, everyone, to never have to revisit that and it being just something that was a treat which ended up being, you know what I'm saying, which ended up still being. But because of my experience, I felt definitely not good about it, you know what I'm saying.

So it had to come back around in order for me to deal with it again, and for sure on so many levels, Like that's what I'm saying, Like I would never think that I would become an author, you know what I'm saying. Like I spent a year and a half, you know what I'm saying, writing and asking myself question after question. You know what I'm saying, Um, so yeah, you know, this is a purposeful journey, you know what i mean. And you reflected on your relationship

with your father. Yeah as well. He was incarcerated when you were younger, and you guys did end up reconnecting. How do you think that's molded you into who you are? It's molded me in a very unique way, you know what i mean. You always hear about people not having their fathers and having um, you know, that male influence. But it turned into so many great things for me, you know, like me being the thing that I wanted

the most, you know what I'm saying. And then fast forward us having a relationship now, you know what I mean. Like we took our first trip last year. We went to dr you know what I'm saying, that we just chilled and it's like, you know, it's so dope, you know, to be able to see where I come from and to realize, you know, some of my courts and you know, perspectives as a person, you know what I'm saying. And it's dope to get that ladder on in life, you

know what I'm saying. Because I didn't have really a lot of o Jeza you know men in the game. You know what I'm saying, A lot of people that I look up to really actually give me information that was useful, you know what I'm saying. So essentially I had to be my own og, you know what I'm saying. So I look at some of the ogs deffinitely because of that, you know what I'm saying, because I feel like I'm a young og and I didn't really have

no help like that. I'm glad so many brothers are having that conversation because the first time I ever had a breakthrough in therapy, first time I ever cried in therapy, was discussing it's my daddy issues, you know what I mean, because we want that relationship with our fathers so bad

and some of us don't have it. You know, then you get older, you got your own kids, and you kind of just winging it because nobody ever showed you I'd really be a good father exactly exactly, and that ladder on in life, man, it was like it was like a treat. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm like so happy that I go get the kigging with my dad and you know what I'm saying, he flied. You know what I'm saying, Like he liked to do things a certain type of way. And I'm like, oh, okay,

you see you. Yeah yeah, And it's so dope when I see my son, because that's that's what I see, you know what I'm saying. And do you know he just he just got a phone and now he like texts me things that he likes. And I'm just like, what He's eight Yeah, shout out to Mega. He's probably gonna watch this one day. So let's talk about the vine timing because I find it so interesting that there was the verses right, probably didn't go to where you wanted it to go back fully, for sure, you seem

like you're reacted with work. You reacted with the doctor, reacted with the book, the show. How did that come about? Because clearly that's the vine time, Yo, that's facts, that's facts. Um,

I've just been preparing. I've just been preparing, and like you said, you know, the vine timing, and even though um, you know versus didn't go you know, it still was, you know, wildly successful, the most successful one, you know, so to be able to show up in the journey and be able to be like, you know what, damn, this might not have been a way that I wanted things to go, but oh wait a minute, watch this move right here. So I'm really highly thankful for you know,

all the energies. You know what I'm saying. Rest in peace. My my analogy transitioned earlier this year, you know what I mean. So I definitely feel like the ancestors on the other side is moving certain things in the universe for me. Um and I'm just excited, man. Feel when people were questioning your talent, Yeah, I was gonna say,

what went wrong that night? What would you have changed? Well, you know, it was a lot of things that went wrong that night, first being um, not not have a sound check and then also another report, why didn't you do a sound check? There was no time they were

It was so underwhelming. They were not prepared, you know for what I expected to be kind of you know, a night in R and B that just kind of turned the sexy up on the planet again, you know what I'm saying, Like, really, let's talk about the women, you know what I mean. But it became kind of hip hop really really fast, you know what I'm saying. Early on, it was like that was the set of

the energy, you know what I'm saying. And um, it was like from that from the rip, it was like it was on for the rest of the night, you know what I'm saying. So, but again, you know what I mean, I wouldn't change anything, you know what I mean. Um, what was your question again? How do you people people questioning your Yeah, I think that that's the mark of a legend, you know what I'm saying. I remember, I remember, you know, hearing people say Michael, Michael Jackson couldn't seen

you know what I'm saying. Like, and you know, when when you're when you have been doing something for so long, you know, you can definitely have an off night, you know what I mean. Um, but that is not the tell tale of you know, of a twenty two year career, you know what I mean. So I feel like, you know, that's another strike, you know what I'm saying, Like it felt like people took the opportunity to say things to you that they've always wanted to. It definitely felt like, Yeah,

that was crazy. It was. It was a lot of energy for me, you know, but it's all good. Boy, had to bother you a little bit. You are well. Let me say it definitely may challenge me unlike I've been challenging such a long time to level up, because you know, I'm one of those people that you know, I don't really move for much, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, because I study and I practice and I work on my craft so much, you know what I mean. So I'm unmoved. But one thing that can't move me.

One thing that has moved me, you know, was the will to just be better. And I think that that's something different in my generation than like you know, Stevie Wonder and Marvin Is. Like when when I got to enjoy their art, they were already at their highest level, you know what I'm saying. But people that's born in the eighties, you know, eighty four Lebron, myself, certain people that's born in that time, it's like we're able to show you like we're getting better, you know what I'm saying.

And I think that that's so very interesting in my time, you know what I'm saying, Because I plan on performing and doing what I love for the rest of my life, you know what I'm saying, and all capacities, you know what I'm saying, as an entertainment mogul, you know what I mean, A director, a writer, a producer, all of these you know, I plan on doing this for life. So I believe that. I mean, you're five acts of joy. Three of them have to do with that singing, writing,

and piano. Yeah. Yeah, that's all about entertainment and performing. And so this is something you would do no matter what. Yeah, because it's the real expression of exuberance. And it's like, if you live in that's really what you want to display, you know what i mean, Like when you get that big check, it's like you want to dance and you want to be happy. You know what I'm saying. When something good goes well, it shows up in your body.

You know what I'm saying. So you know, for me, that's how I want to live, you know what I mean, And I want to be the epitome I will be, you know, the epitome of that you know expression joy, because it's really it really makes this experience worth living, you know what I'm saying, Because all of the other things, you know what I'm saying, all of the other you know, aspects of life, you know what I mean, that are

necessary too. You know what I'm saying, in order to create a balanced experience, but you know it doesn't always feel good, you know what I'm saying. So you got the chapter call Purpose. What do you think your main life purpose is? Because sometimes I wonder is it anything to do with entertainment? I feel like purpose is bigger than that in some ways. Yeah, I would agree, Um, yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, my purpose on this planet is to remind people that joy is a choice.

You know what I'm saying. And you know, through this experience, you know what I mean, You'll have You're running into some things, you know what I'm saying, that can make or break your experience. You know what I mean. And it's really up to you, you know what I'm saying at the end of the day, to be able to choose happiness, you know what I'm saying. Period. I was gonna ask what's your relationship with Rick Ross? Because I know that you guys as far as business is concerned, Yeah,

decided to dissolve it. And I heard him, you know, throw a couple of shots in a couple of souls, right, So what is your relationship and why why did you decide to leave or whatever it maybe well, you know, I was under the impression, you know, at the time of you know, may Back music and inception. You know what it is that I contributed to his business, you

know what I'm saying. And I feel like on that level he respects me, and you know he has to respect me, so you know, um, you know that's cool, you know, but as far as personally, you know, man, it's all good. Man Rosehy is one of the funniest person's like to come across, you know what I'm saying. So you know, if I see him, salute, you know what I mean. But you know, he showed me. He

showed me some things, you know what I'm saying. So because he showed me things, you know, even though you know, um, he could have helped more, you know what I'm saying. He could have you know, he could have you know, lend more of a hand than you know what he was maybe you know, portrayed to you know, be but um, yeah, I appreciate the experience. Man. I had so much fun over in may Back music and making that music at that time, and you know, being able to create an

alias may Back. Oh, to feel a part of something that was like, truly outside of my culture and outside of myself. How hands on was he when he because you know Ross has an their right you know, listening to Ross's albums and melodically they sound amazing. Yeah, how hands on was he with your projects? If he was? Yeah, no, man, Rose shows up. You know what I'm saying. Rose was there, you know what I mean, Like he definitely like all right, this is what you want to do? Oh boom do it?

You know what I'm saying. When when it was that time? You know what I'm saying. But when it was that when it wasn't that time, It wasn't that time. You know what I'm saying. It was trying for some other things? Could you have done more of you think for you? I just I was I would just say, you know, one of one of the one of the tales tales for me. You know what I'm saying. Was the last conversation him and I had when um, you know he came out to LA and you know, I just expressed

him as a businessman. You know, I need to prepare myself, you know what I'm saying for you know my transitions and you know, respectfully, you know if there's something going on with you in Atlantic, you know, just let me know so I could prepare myself, you know what I'm saying. I was very clear with him with that, you know

what I mean. He was like, I got you, you know what I mean, And it was like, you know, may Back Music is no longer a label and it's you know, I gotta go and actually do the work that was necessary for my journey to like figure out you know, where I was and it wasn't in a good position, you know what I'm saying. So that's really

what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, we had a conversation, you know what I'm saying, but you didn't honor that you feel like you needed to. So look, you think sometimes as black artists being that where black, instead of approaching it from just business, we look at all these situations like family, whether it's bt K, whether it's Made Back music, like, instead of looking at it from just districtly business aspects like now we're your family,

so we get extra disappointed when things don't work out. Um. I think that there is you know, a feeling and an aspect you know to business when you do people. When you do business with people that you like, I wouldn't even say it's just a family thing, you know, it's people that you like, you know what I'm saying.

So I think that you know, being transparent is important and it's imperative for the success of the brand, you know what I'm saying, Because you know, if you do business with somebody and they're not willing to take accountability, then you know, you kind of just left out there, you know, without a plan, you know, and if it's like a trust thing too. Yeah, But I think the point of businesses is success. That's the point of you know,

our merger. We're coming together to you know, benefit each other, you know, not for me to get more from you or for you know, it to be vice versa. You know, it has to be a mutual thing. That's the only kind of business I'm interested in. You know what I'm saying. You go to therapy, right? Um? No, no, I have what what? What? What? What is a Marion done wrong

in any of these situations? I think, Um, I think, not speak up, you know what I'm saying, Maybe not speak up, maybe not have the words to you know, um, you know, voice my opinion. And also I think I'm a little you know, early on because I started so young. You know, I'm a little gullible, you know what i mean. Just as far as business, you know what I'm saying that, as far as what people don't give you, what people

are not supposed to give you. You know what I'm saying, Like the respect that sometimes you assume you might give, but that you're never really shown, you know what I'm saying. So I would say that, you know, that's definitely on me, you know what I'm saying. But I don't have no problem you know what I'm saying, being honest about my mistakes and taking accountability, you know what I mean, for

anything that I've done wrong to people. You know what I'm saying, That they may have felt that I've done wrong, you know what I mean. If you have, If you if you ever came across me and you know, have a relationship with me and you were confused about something, there was always an opportunity for you to be able to you know, gaining some clarity. You know what I'm saying. Um, but the actions, you know what I'm saying, And that's something that we always have to bring into question when

we speaking about people's personalities. You know what I'm saying, Like there's layers to this, you know what I'm saying. And people have to be held accountable for what they're projecting versus their actions. You know what I'm saying. So you know what I would say. You know that I've done wrong. It's it's just that you know what I'm saying, just not you know, but it has gained me such a heightened level of awareness. You know what I'm saying

that it's probably second or none. You know what I'm saying because you know I've been through it over and over again. You know what I mean, So I know I know where I'm going. You know what I mean. What does joy look like? The amaran hanging out with my kids, the water, the beach. You know what I'm saying. A woman, you know what I mean? Some curves, um, you know what I mean, some pleasant words, some reading, you know what I'm saying. Some some sex, some you know,

making love, some fucking. You know what I mean. Like all of that. There's like four different ways to say sex when people hear that, and like some people, what's did making love and fucking to explain to them. Okay, I would say that the difference between making love is connecting on a deeper level, you know, connecting through um experiences, connecting through UM touch, connecting through um you know, spirituality. You know what I'm saying. That's the difference between making

love and fucking. You know what I'm saying. Fucking is more of a sport. You know what I'm saying. It's more in the in the physical aspects, which you know, it's some levels in there too. You know what I'm saying. Uma, And I was just thinking about it, you know what I mean. But yeah, there's stairs. You know, there's a wide range. When you make music. What music do you like to make? Do you like to make soundtracks for fucking? I'm making love? I like to do a mix, Okay,

you know what I mean. I like to do a mix because my experience has been very vast, so um, I like to do a mix. But more of love, you know what I mean, More of love, because that is where intentionalize. You know what I'm saying. Anyone couldn't you know what I mean, go to the gym and work out and be big, you know what I mean. But to actually diet and to like start carving out that so you know, it requires a different level, a different type of discipline. You know what I'm saying. How

many times have you made love in your life? Mario? A few times with the same person, to different people. No, different women, Okay, ye're different women, you know. Um. You know, to feel vulnerable enough to express yourself as like a scary thing, especially for a man, especially for someone you know like me, you know what I mean. But to feel comfortable like that, those times were like priceless. You know. That's how I made my first child, you know what

I'm saying. Yeah, okay, yeah, you know what I mean. And it was like mega popped up, bam, Oh a minute, this thing works. This thing works, you know what I mean. But what an experience, you know what I'm saying. And we appreciate joining us. I got a couple more questions, man, like you know, he asked the question, what are you willing to struggle for? Yeah? You do you believe people are willing to struggle to accomplish their goals? And do you have to struggle? The other thing, especially when it

comes to our kids. We don't want our kids to struggle that's why we work in the way we work. Yeah, I think that a necessary struggle is imperative to life, you know what I'm saying, because it makes you, you know, apparent to balance. You know what I'm saying, Like everything is not good and everything is not bad. You know, the life is polaris you know what I'm saying, polarities. So some of the things that I was in the struggle for is is the things that I go through,

you know what I'm saying. You know what i mean, like my experience, you know what I'm saying. In this industry, what I'm you know, willing to contribute, you know what I'm saying, not being motivated because so many people hating on you. You know what I mean, like digging down and figuring out like, oh okay, I do this for a whole other thing. You know what I'm saying. You know, like words and all of that is nice, you know

what I'm saying. But to be able to be a part of a movie like you got served to change people. You know. I was just in France, you know what I mean, And I went out there solely for this thing called Dance Fusion, which all dance competition, you know what I mean, Like and the amount of love you know what I mean, across on the world and in the world, like yo, you know what I mean. That's transitioning into you know, the movies and the other aspects

of my career. You know what I mean, That I'll be exploring as a mobil So I wouldn't take nothing back, but I'm willing to struggle for those things. And you said one woman told you that her best friend died in ice box. Yeah, that was wild. Yeah, and they buried a picture with me, you know what I mean, which was like at the time, I didn't really understand that, you know what I mean. But to be able to show up in someone's life, you know what I mean.

Fans hit me sometimes be like, yeah, you was in my dream, you know what I mean, Like what is that? You know what I'm saying. That's connecting on a deeper level. You know that is unseen, you know what I'm saying. So to be gifted that in this lifetime experience, you know, I wanted to be a good one, you know what I mean. Wherever I show up in people's lives, I wanted to be prolific, you know I wanted to be you know, something like that story, you know what I mean.

Like they you know, they had they shared so many great memories with my music that it was so intense that they wanted to bury a picture, you know, in his casket as he is transitioning from this lifetime. He put a picture that in her mind that made him happy, you know, in his wherever he going, you know what I'm saying. So that's deep, you know what I mean. So I just want to, you know, continue to un as artist. I want to ask you a couple more questions,

especially in particular the Drink Champion interview. Right, Um, I saw Fitz said that he can't he's not in contact with you because he never had your number. It's always been like that. That true. How does that sounds? I don't know. That sounds crazy man without calling you first, Okay, come on, ye, come on man, that's a joke. But you know he feels some type of way. So and he also said that you went solo because he had sex with a woman you liked, man, and that was

so long ago. Um nah, I don't remember that happening. Fitz was um he was the first one to go solo because you know, Fiz was like the rapper, yeah and yeah, and you know the rapper was like the most famous in the group. You know what I'm saying. So Fitz was definitely like in front, you know what I mean, as far as you know, um, certain vibes, you know what I mean in the group. You know what I mean. You know how like okay, Fitz doing

something or he on his own way. Shit, we all getting on our own way, you know what I mean. So I viewed it like that, Um, didn't they kick you out the group? Basically? No, no, not really. Now, it wasn't they fault. I take that back, No, it wasn't they fault. It was it was Chris Stokes fault. You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean, because you know, he made us become brothers and then you know he separated us, you know what I mean. So he the elder that you talk about, Um, he's

one of the elders. Okay, you know what I mean. You don't have a relationship with him now now you know Rasby and I think it's been room with dad. You know, he talks about sexual abuse with Chris Stokes. Have you ever seen anything like that. I haven't. I haven't seen anything like that, you know what I mean? But yeah, I haven't. Right, Yeah, Well that's like, you know, the varios are funny. He's not funny to me. But it's like, I'm not I'm not. I'm an answer. When

I want to answer, he don't. He don't engage when he doesn't anything, he don't want to engage any engage. Respect that I respect. Not a tell all book or anything like that. There's a couple of stories that are relevant, you know, to what it is that you're trying to portray about the spirituality aspect of it. But it's not a tell all juice. Yeah, nay Na, I really want people to understand, you know what I'm saying, Like through

the fire, through it all. You know what I'm saying, You gotta make certain choices and it's up to you. You know what I'm saying. It's really up to you. You know what I mean. And I also I also don't think y'all realize the impact y'all, or maybe y'all do. I don't think y'all realize the impact y'all had on the generation. Because truth be told, I didn't realize it. So I talk to people like I think they tailor, you know what I mean, who grew up on B two ks. They go to the what's the toy nine?

The screams, don't not the script millennium toy and stuff now and they love y'all. So it's like, the more y'all talk, the more questions people have, it almost feels like their childhood was a lie. Yeah, you know what I mean, was it? I don't know, I don't know. I'm saying. The more the more they hear y'all talk, that generation feels like their childhood was a lot. And they looked at y'all like brothers. I thought everything was

all good. And I think the reason why I say that is because I think that because we grew up together, there is things to observe in that And that's the reason, that's the reason why this book is here. You know what I'm saying, Like we grew up together, we all went through similar things. You know, we all have people that you know, we're around that could have done more and could have said things. It could have did things

a certain type of way. But guess what, some of them ain't being held accountable and you know, we're gonna either leave it up to the universe to handle that, you know, which always handles that, you know what I'm saying, or something's gonna happen. No, I'm just saying, but I'm saying, we see it with certain song writers. You can't get away. You can't get away for the things that you do on this planet. Okay, period. I want my generation to

understand that. You know what I'm saying, Read the book, get the book. Trust me. You know what I'm saying. This is for you. Do you feel like you're opening up more? You open up another cand of warrant by putting out the doctor not doing a book? You think, nah, nah, because you know this is my story. You know what I'm saying. This is my story, and I own my story. How do you tell her to someone else? Well? Yeah, that and also it's it's great, it's not bad. It's great.

You're still standing by the background dances remark or you feel bad about that? Nah? Nah? You know what? Um when I think about that, you know, I thought that was funny because I'm gonna just you know, keep it player with you. You know what I'm saying. As you've seen with the mother and my children. Like, I'm never pressed off of a woman choosing up or who she want to be with. That's not my personality, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, women choose you know what

I'm saying. Um, But for me, that's that's not what it was about. You know what I'm saying. That's trivial in a drop, you know what I mean, in the ocean of the other things that we all have shared an experience that you know what I mean. Come on, man, that's small, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's more funny to me. That's another thing that's just like that. Don't what does that have to do with anything? Bro?

You know what I mean? What's up? Man? You know, and you think all communication is done like because God forbid. We live in a real crazy world. You see the things that's happening to people. If something was to happen to one of them, wouldn't you feel some sort of way? Yeah? Man, I don't want nothing to happen to nobody. You know what I'm saying. I wish everybody, well, man, I don't

want I don't wish no ill nobody. You know what I'm saying, um, and I wish them well, man, you know what I mean, Like, I really hope that they see through this experience and they take a little bit more accountability, you know what I mean, moving forward, And I like, I hope that they, you know, um, do good things for that life. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't wish nobody bad, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, what does Marcus used to say about all of this?

I don't know. I don't speak to him. You don't speak I know that I haven't spoke to him so long, you know. I mean, that was your real that's not your real brother. No, I'm the eldest and you funny Charlot Mane because you're looking at you like that. Brothers Yes, I always yeah, No, Ryan, Nah, that's my real brother. Okay, I'm the oldest. Yeah. And what does she just asked me to ask you? What does watermelon have to do with everything? Ok? Do you like water guys? Do you

like watermelon? Yes? Watermelon is one of the best, very healthy. Yes, good for your heart, good for your skin. Okay, thank you? Yes, and see so and that's the window. And that's the window that people just don't want to walk through because they want to just stay at the you know, sexual aspect of it. You know what I mean. Because good things are like sex, you know what I'm saying, And that's why we're all addicted to it, you know what I'm saying. So when you mix the fruit with the sex,

you know what I'm saying, that's another level. You might want to try that, you know what I'm saying. Try Watermel and Taylor. I'm telling you might want to try that. You want to might just want to start by kissing somebody with somebody that you love, well, watermelon, and see how you feel. It's interesting. They give you Flight four. But when Beyonce, you just randomly said it in the song nobody Can It's randomly watermelon, you just know being

Oh say it? Oh do it? It's a problem. All right? Well, y usually be like, well, where's the new record? But you ain't got a record for us today? Yes, yes, I do, Okay, okay, okay, what's what's this record? Let's go introduce it? Oh wait a minute, I'm sorry, my bad. Hold on, I got too excited. No, we got the album. It's ready, it's in the clip. We can't get a record. Yeah, we could get a record syndicated on a hundred and

thirty plus markets everybody. That's okay, Okay, we should probably we should probably we should probably send it to y'all so we could see you know what I mean, because honestly, I have to salute you if you've always been a supporter, you've always liked and enjoyed my music and reported me, you know what I mean? So this, um, this new album is new project Full Circle. Man, I want I want to definitely say it to you first that it's called Full Circle. It's called Full Circle. Okay, Yeah, a

lot of features you come. You see where I'm going with this. Yeah, it's prophetic. Okay, when's it gonna It's coming out for years old? Yes, all right, yes, okay, all right, Well it's the Breakfast Club is a Mario face