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a call because I'm hauling. I was waiting up getting raked in. I'm haunting. I was broken. Now I'm rich, deep foggy all this as I know, my body got me dripping trip straight up my day, y'all. James, I'm a big prup If I got up handa lean, I'm a SIPs. I run the rats up with my queen like learning and nip. But I got rich on all these I did it forget back. I hadn't go through the struggle. I didn't forget thing. I hoped this out

of them. Maybe getting out sit back deep don't mean now because I got the big band because I'm getting money now. I know you heard that young Gonda corner that I had to serve Craig. I'm gonna frounting me some peace and they're getting birds back. We came up on dirty money. I gave it a bird bad off the rain, and I came out the new boot. Either you running y'all gang or your soup boop got a new all tim minute, dude, Ain't I who knew? I got the new fargis on the gee. I dram into

the bloody bottoms. It's on the knee because I'm got it out the strings. I keep on hunting rags. I my g I remember hitting. I'm allway the whole team nine can't that's a call because I'm alling. I was waiting up getting rags and I'm any. I was broken. Now I'm rich deep foppy. I've been waiting up there getting the money. Whoa woa got it? Vad jazz teddy ball? Whoa to vench it to my toes to twins up my boats. I put in new Ape water like a boat. I was damnade on my What was you? Because I

know you turned Joe back on me? Just to get some racks. I seen you swarm back because I'm in the black back New Damond's on me a flash, this a snapcheck because I've been getting hay get like Damad's on me. Look like Lemonad got my baby Mama Dad New been tag trying to get it No Joe like a sitting see Rose right umbrellas. When I'm in the rain, I just mind my business. I got brothers that at the time. I ain't getting all the rabbits. Just talk

about it. I going up. I ain't got no sky living. Yeah, ain't I drammen take bloody bottoms is under knee because I'm got it out streaks. I keep on hunting rains, is my I remember hitting them all way the whole King nine came. That's a call because I'm hauling. I was waiting up getting racks and I'm haunting. I was broken Now I'm rinsty top I yeah, yeah, wake up, wake up, wake y'all. Just is your time to get it off your chats, whether you're a man or blas,

we want to hear from you on the breakfast blood. Hello, who's this you know it's anonymous? Anonymous? Get it off your chats, bro, Yeah, I want to talk about basically the difference between the term sex and gender. So basically, sex is basically what refers to the penis of the vagina, So that's what terms. It's your female or male, not gender. Gender is basically different like um attributes that you have that sidy determined whether you act feminine, masculine, or something

in between. So that's why people say there's more than two genders, which is true, but there's not more than two sectors. The only two sectors are female and male. But there's more than two genders because you could determine how you see. I ain't got time for all this woke this this morning, bro. What you're talking about? Man, I don't even know what you're talking about right now.

What I'm saying, all right is that basically people referred to gender, they're really referring to sex because there's a different between sex and gender. Who who referred? All right? Man, I'm awake, I'm awake, but I'm not walking. I'm awake this morning, but I'm not walked. Even the way that that came from. You woke people so tight and need some sleep. I don't know what are you talking about Alex what's up? What's up? What's up? Alex Envy? Did Dune?

Yes up? What's up? Bron Man? What's up? Head? Dune? Got that bread, got that beauty? And huh yeah, jay Z gotta got a billy, got it Billy? How they did it? Do we learn from jay from which one? You said? What we learn from this year? Or do we learn from jay Z? You learn from both of them? You have more than one teach in school, didn't you. Yeah, help the you learned from a lot of people talking about why y'all saying such stupid things seriously? Or why are you wake up in the morning just to say

things that you give no thoughts to whatsoever? Do you only learn from one person throughout your whole life? Charlo Man, We ain't got to do it like that, Charlotte. I'm just saying, you know, if he has to learn from his old Jez, he learned from Elijah Mohammad message to the Black Man. Elia Mohammad was always talking about doing for self and owning your own So what are we talking about here? We learned from a lot of different people in life. Don't forget that bad to get that man?

All right? Man, I would bless that pace. Bro. Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all just fishing me. What's man, they're getting it up there, chest Shall Man, let's just let them talk. They do sound a little stupid this morning. Michael. Hey, how's been doing? Brother? Good morning? Everybody? Good good boyd game you know if you're chess man, yep, I'm calling from Dell with you. Come on my way to work to Davy alone way. But I love you guys. I always love think to

the show. You guys are amazing. Thank you, sir. We're pretty sure man. You're welcome. Sharlomn the guy. I love you, brother, I to work and everything. Man, we love you, Bro. I love you too, my brother. Thank you. Appreciate you. King. Then, hello, Hey, what's going on? Charlotte Man? Good morning? How are you sir? This morning? Man? I was at I was at usp Ashfield when you were on Wendy Williams Show. Man. Come on, man,

I remember you. Man? Is that a jail? I'm okay, yes, yes, well I did one hundred and eighty months of the FEN first time Welcome Home I did from yes, sir, I did from ninety nine to two thousand and fourteen, and then from two thousand and fourteen to two weeks ago a Supervisor release. I had to do sixty months of Supervisor release. My boy, Mercy, what did you do? Yeah? I couldn't even I couldn't even call a person like you. If I called you, I would have got violated on

my supervisors release. What did you do? What did you do? Bro? Man? I'm gonna be honest with you. I sold some guns to somebody. They robbed the bank, and guess what. They introduced me to undercover and I sold him nine hundred pounds of marijuana. And guess what, that's what they got me on and they bamily guns of marijuana. Man, Why you don't write a rap album? I mean, I mean, it is what it is, you know. I mean I had to wear it. I had to do my time.

And I remember when you were just listening to uh. I mean you were on Windy Williams showed for like four hours. I was in Entry, South Carolina crazy and honestly, I could not call a radio station while I was on paper. Were you still? It was something he said back then. It's still on your mind because you know we've been in breakfast club for ten years. So what did he say fifteen years ago that you still with right now? Man, I'm gonna be your hunters with you?

You went off from was it crazy bones? Hold up? Man? It was hey, it was That's all I'm gonna say. There that one of the bones, Bro. You know that seventeen years ago. Bro, you gotta let it go. That was I don't think I ever went off on one of the bones. But I will say this, I appreciate your enthusiasm because I can tell that you took you missed doing regular things like just picking up the phone to call a radio station. So you're really appreciative to

be able to do that now, man. And I'm gonna be honest with you, you know, on this Twitter thing and all these all the things. Man's been cloud chasing doing everything what everybody else does, right, But I'm just seeing how the I'm gonna be honest with you, man, Why do you keep seeing? You gonna be honest? What are you lying about? That's what he said before he was locked up. Let him go, Charlomagne. You know what, brother, it sounds like this is a conversation you want to

have with Charlomagn. You don't know. I'll give you. I know there's a lot he gotta catch up. There's a lot of things he gotta catch up on. Hold on, man, he got there's a lot of things he got to catch up on. He's been listening to you twenty years ago, and I appreciate that. You know, I appreciate it. I've been doing radio that long and it's been futid that's been listening to me that long, But I appreciate you. Gotta fill him in, Charlomagne, it says twenty years ago.

I'm sure he gots baggy jeans and the beat, but stills, you just gotta help him out that Twitter thing, that Twitter tell him hit me up on that Twitter thing. Oh my goodness. All right, get it off your chest eight hundred five eight five one on five one. If you need to vent, hit us up right now. It's the Breakfast Club coming. Did your time to get it off your chest? Whether you're Man or blast, so you better have the same endutry we want to hear from

you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this Angel? Angel? Will suck getting off your chest? Hey, I just want to say that, Hey, Seanan is right. I think guards the vindicant and I'm I'm gonna keep you proof. Why when when YG was there and he was giving those uh Spanish words, you were the first one answering all of it, all the Spanish words before Angel. Think. I think, Charlotte, it might be Angel. That wasn't me. That was drama? Was the board out that that? That is not true?

Why don't you stop claim you that wasn't me, that was Angel? That you Dominican? No, okay, I thought you wanted to claim envy, all right, I don't want to claim man, Why would I want to claim envy? Oh you don't want him to be Salvadorian. Maybe he's Savadurian instead. Oh maybe he thank'd be Just just just just own it. Just teach me a sentence, man, say something, I'll repeat it. Uh who saw? And you know? See, okay, I got that. What do you say? He said? I like breakfast? Hello?

Who's this we comedian? Say? And get you off your chests. I just want to thank God for this stage, right, you know, I know. Look, I'm thank God for this day, for this job. I'm so blessed on Holly Favorite. I got my own business, not just one of to thank God. You're not just blessed in Holly Favorite, you're blessed black and Holly favorite. You. You're absolutely but I am blessed like a Holly Favorite, and I just want to thank God for it. Thank you. Hello. Who's this? What's up?

Every from Ashville, North Carolina? Again? Looks up? Bro? You you started your business this weekend? Man, I started me of my business this weekend as a hot dog cart called Bunnett LLLC. I like that. That's dope. Congratulations, sir. You should have came out to the seminar. Man, you'd have had over a thousand people wanting to my dogs. Brother. Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm waiting on. Man, I gotta get you this money. Man. I ain't man a man. I want to thank y'all. Man you Charlemagne Angel ye

oh man, how you do a family guy? Man? I really love that man, and there's a lot of family men out here to look up to that man. Keep going, keep doing that, Charlemagne. Man, you just keep us in from inspired and everything. Angel. I love you. You're beautiful and everything. Baby. Um. I would like, oh y'all to take a look at Black Elachian here he hiked the Appalachian tril and he fights the underground railroad black election.

He got you tubes up and he just trying to show, you know, black people that we can hike in because if the world comes to an end, boy, we ain't gonna know how to do nothing, So you know, check him out. Any rapper to Loco. All right, bro, thank you man. I say that all the time. If it's a nuclear bomb or something was to hit, like, what how would people survive? People don't know how to fish, they don't know how to hunt, they don't know how to live off the land. Nothing. D J, good morning,

Hey dj Amy, what's going on? Man? What's up? CJ? Hey? Dj oh, all right, what up? CJ? Hey envied uh slo man. Yeah, we here every morning, chix hamon m for nine years. We'll six oh five to toda. I got you. Hey, three things real quick. Antel, you are so beautiful. If I wasn't murried, you'll be my woman and you wouldn't be hird me like you're doing your boyfriend and um oh, you don't say thank you, and I'm well, I'm gonna thank you for this and my boyfriend. No,

I just thank you beautiful. You'll see my woman. If I wasn't murried, I might shout out to your wife. Black men, no cheat broad yea yea hey, that's my second point. Last Tuesday, I'm getting off for work, and I was fine to see my side checking the first thing out here in the cause black men don't see. I want to say you lord ball and shalomn because once I heard, I turn right around my wife. We

are we are there doing God's work. And you need to stop running around here like a little black boy and start being a real black man because black men don't cheap, but black boys do. Your side check. Yeah, I'm no, it's not worth it's exactly sir. How old are you? See what I'm saying. You're still in that phase. I understand, but you know you gotta be a black man, not a black boy, sir. He's right right. And hey, the last thing is everybody swam to an empty for

your game show. But I'm the same way, like I'm trilling my batting. I'm free to say and to whatever I want to do. The man one who be fake man and trying to just themselves goes through the one on the download. All right, listen. With that said, I want you to know that today's National Peaches and Cream Day. Sir. All right, I shout out to what twelve. Hey, that'll

be my dessert for the night. There you go. And if you look, if you get a little cream on your bottom lip, just lick it off with your tongue like a real man. Hey. Hey, that's what my side used to do. That's what stop talking about your side. Say, grow up, sir, he misses her. Get it off your chests. Eight hundred five eight five one oh five one. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. DJ mvy Angela Yee,

Charlomagne the guy. We are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guests in the building, sir. Jeez, what I'm dough. Welcome back, come on man, back home baby, Legend of the snow Man. Yes, sir, I'm ready. What's the expectations for you when you put together these thug motivation projects, because these are these are special projects. Yeah, I'm in for me. It's just like just making sure I'm in pocket. And and it's a real body of work. You know what I'm saying. I kind of figured the game out.

Now it's like, you can't put her single out, you know what I'm saying, because everybody's ay and ours. So you just gotta put the body of workout and just hope people take. It's like a self help book if you can't take a chapter and put it out because that that might not be the chapter they want, you know what I'm saying. So but I thought you were tired. I thought the soul support of the liquor cump. Yeah.

First of all, mister Forbes, listen, Yeah, I gotta getting many calls as you start even talking like that, I know. But for me, man, it was like, um, you know, there's one of them things where like, you know, I do music, but I also want to do you know, business, Like I'm I'm passionate about that because I understand it. Just coming from the block and learning how to get money.

That's something that drives me. And it's just like if anybody know anything about life, it's like when you come stagnant and you're just doing the same thing, you know what I'm saying, kind of like take away from who you are. So, where's the best place you've been on vacation? Man, Europe. I just love Europe period. Man. Just it's just you know, the foods, different airs, different moons, different, it's just different. And I took one of my homies the last time

I went. He never been he's from you know, he's straight from the hood. But just to see the look on his face, you know, just to see how life is just so different, you know what I'm saying, Just to live through him, because I've been there a couple of times. I mean, just it was real, surreal. Have you ever cried somewhere? Have you ever been somewhere and been like, God, damn, I'm really not an AUNTI portion no more selling that work. Nah, not yet. I guess

I ain't been there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I've I've been in situations where I've sat back and realized how blessed I am. Yeah, I've been there. When the last time you felt that feeling the gratitude? Oh, man,

Like maybe a couple of things. I was on my flight and I was listening to the album, just kind of listening to the mixes and stuff, and I was listening to the intro track The Entrepreneur that's yeah, and I don't know it just kind of really brought bad memories though, because I'm I'm telling the story about that, and I'm just like, damn, you know, I really went through that, but you know, I'm still out here on my grind. But at the same time, it just really

like took me back in that that memory lane. I'm like, then, I just remember those hard times and going through all this stuff, and it's just like overcoming it. It's just like sometimes you don't pack yourself on the back enough, both in things because you're sow in real time. I talked to Tip about it all the time. It's like, we accumulate so much and we're so successful in so many different ways, we're gonna take the time to look at the last accomplishment we did because we on to

the next thing. If that's your favorite Joe on the album, No man, Actually I love the John Legend song about my mother. That was deep. I can't you know, I don't even listen to that one, by the way, So it's like when I wrote it, I listened to it and he mixed it. I was done with it. But I definitely can't touch that one like I cry. But I mean, because you know, my mother, she's got a situation, so she's not healthy right now. And it's just like

that record basually described she's the real MVP. And it's like, um, when I jumped off the ports, I took a lot of my time trying to you know, come up and take care of everybody, and I ain't really take the time to be a son. And it's just like now

she she's not well. So it's just like when I when I see people moving around taking any mother's on tour, vacation doing things, it's just like, damn, you know, I got go see my mother in this place, and and you know, it hurt because it's like I missed all that time and it's like I can't get none of it back. And it's like I didn't getting them but some money, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't

really gain much and I lost my mom. But like I think every day for like giving me like morals and teach me when integrity was and how to be a man, just like she, she don't really get a chance to see me in that light. But it's like because now I'm of age and I have grew up, so I ain't really with the you know, but it's just like she ain't here to see that. All right, We got mold with jeez. When we come back, it's

the Breakfast Club. Come on, I want to get everybody as DJ N v Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy we all the Breakfast Club was too kicking it with jeez ye. So jeez, how are you now when it comes to shopping and clothes? Are you really into it? Do you spend your money on it? Now? Man? I keep it gee, man, like I tried. I tried, you know what I'm saying.

Like I tried, Man, you know, I might go buy some things, but my homies called me like I had some Balenciaga boots, man, and man, listen, new things caused the mass hysteria, and I thought there were the flies boots in the world. Calls like yo, yo one time when you do with the cowboy boots. So you're thinking little that I'm like, ya bought these, But listen little, I'm like, yo, these just got the buckle on them. Like this is it? You know, I think I'm about Tupac.

You know what I'm saying. I get calls trays called me telling we gotta, we gotta, we gotta group chat corn. They kill your cousin. Yo, I'm like yo, so I called him. I called up triggered abouts, like yo, this is what I'm gonna do, I said them. The day to Alum comes out, I said, want all y'all to come over. I said, I'm gonna get some wood. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna get some. I'm gonna get some I'm gonna get some light of fluid. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get.

I'm gonna get everything I need and I want you to come over to the crib. And August twenty third, on the day to Alum comes out, I'm gonna I'm gonna burn these boots in front of everybody cause I need my friends back and cast me. Friend called me free. Is that you're swell like you calling me like O T jailers? Come tell your cousin domies. I LA won't know if you're still solid. I'm like, yo, my man, you see you look, don't know? Did you fire? The silence?

After that? He burns my call. Now, let me ask you this, since this is the last of the installment of Doug motivation and this is the last album on deaf Jam. What's next man for me? Um right here big figures, Wireless. Um, this is like my new baby I got. I got the Defiance Few Athlete Water of course, um like ENVYAM Heavy and real estate and uh obviously Avion Tequila. I got my agency Agency ninety nine, which we manage all the brands and businesses. But um, yeah,

but what are you gonna do musically another deal? Are you gonna have your own independent label? I mean I just feel I feel like I got the infrastructure to do whatever. But it's just like for me right now, I just gotta take some time to like but he just I got my next ten fifteen year playing But I just want to really see I want to execute that because I look at people like Magic Johnson. I love Magic like that's my mentor, Like you know what I'm saying. I just love the fact that he's solid,

he lives his life, he got balanced around him. He takes care of his friends in the way he's giving them experiences, and he's traveling. He see in the world. But if you look at other athletes that came up with him, they're not set up like that. So that just tells me that I gotta move in that way if that's what I want to be in ten, fifteen, twenty years, because that's what I respect. You know what I'm saying, Like, I love um, you know, Allen iverson

to different people. And I know that Kevin Real was hanging out in the strip clothes and me and all that. But then I have to look at somebody like Magic Johnson. After he was, you know, a great basketball player, Now he's a great husband. Now he's a great father, and now he's a great you know, mentor now he's he's a great businessman. And I watched this move because I remember when he had the NAA, we're gonna do that

the Magic Johnson theaters. Ye find its like we didn't see the move then, you know, we were just going on. But he was already making his moves. And you really think about Atlanta, all the history that had happened in Visits nightclub, right, so all the all the history that happened there, he told all that down and build you know, uh, hot rises. So he was powerful enough to come take our whole night life away and build high rises on that street and give them to his son, you know

what I mean. So I look at things like that and I go, man like, to me, that's that's the American dream. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, I, you know, I'm pretty cold at what I do. I think I'm in Charlotte Maine's Top five. I know, so you got you gotta be hard to be there. But it's just like, is that the only contribution I want to make to the world. I don't think so well. The album is out tomorrow, TM one on four TM

one on four. We appreciate you for joining us. Hey man, I appreciate y'all for having man shout side the figures Wiless South Side of defines fuel South Side of New York City, UM South SOUTHDAYC ninety nine shouts out to the Breakfast Club. All right, well it's the Breakfast Club. Is sir j Envy Angela Yee Charlomagne the guy? We are to Breakfast Club? Now if you just joined us.

We were talking about Little Wayne's daughter, Yes, little an Antoya Rice daughter, and she went to this cucumber pool party and she previously had been really not excited about these women doing this cucumber challenge. So people were getting at her for being at the party, but she said, Okay, guys, I want to say this. I went to the party to spy on a wife and Lucci females, don't act like you never did it. But when I heard about

the cucumber activities, I left. To be honest, I made myself look like a fool for this man, and I apologize for allowing you guys to see it. I'm young and still learning. Now, have you ever a spot on your man? Before you have? I ever did a pop up? Yeah? You know, I've done a pop up. I don't trying to think if I've ever gone to a party, but I've definitely popped up at his house. I did that a couple of times. One time I actually climbed through the window. That's a real pop up. And that's because

I knew something was going on. And sometimes even though we know things, we want to see it with our own eyes. I don't know why, but I guess that was really the end of it for me, to be able to see somebody doing something with my own eyes. Yeah, I've done it once to twice. Charlemagne always, I grew up a very insecure young man, too, and when you're the type of person like me who was cheating on my woman and made me feel guilty, so that on top of my insecurity, I thought she was doing dirt

when she wasn't. So yes, I popped up at jobs. I've popped up at dorms, iopped up class apartments. I popped up the class. Will my motorcycle right to a class. Well, well you think she was doing in class? I don't know, I don't know. You just want to see maybe she passing a note, maybe she holding her hands like as a guy a guy when a guy is already doing dirt, like you automatically think your woman is just like you know,

sucking everywhere. You know what I'm saying. Like even if she's not like any you can go down anytime, any place. So yes, I definitely had guys pop up on me. That was at parties. And listen, I'll leave a party if somebody tried to pop up on me, I slide out and like this is ridiculous. All you pop up like you know, like I say, like say, like you know, my wife was in college. They used to be partying at this place called five points five pence puts all

the college kids used to go on Thursday night. I mean, anybody could go hang out there, but that wasn't really my scene. But you just pop up at a random place, like what are you doing here? Like, you know, you just just be in Charlotte Ruce while she in there, like why are you in Charlotte's Ruce? He's doing a little shot rusself. But you know, you just you just pop up in random places. You ain't got no business being. Why are you at my old b g y n oh?

I don't know, I just say nothing, Hello, who's this? Hello? My name is jazz Man. How are you going? Jazzmine Queen of the pop up Jasmine is way too loud to be popping up on somebody. No, definitely pop up on that. But let me tell y'all, let me tell y'all, I'm really the pop up queen though. Let me I had a tractor on my on my baby Daddy cars for like three years and he never knew it. Wow, he like damn't like thinking that his friends on them

and everything like that. But really he had no idea that I was just like chucking at as though all day every day. I don't know how he couldn't figure that out when you were just showing up place to put a track on somebody's call. Clearly they do, Jasmine, you're crazy, crazy, he'll don't play with me, And you did that for three years. He never knew though, right, he never knew so little thing. Like one time he went out to eat with this girl, Like I said

in the parking Jobs, I let him eat it. Everything that went back to his apartment, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm just just following him. He's like, okay, so this inky. So I just you know, I just walk

up to the apartment, knocked on the door. They turned off the lights and stuff trying to hide and stuff, and the texting the girl's phone, like like he got five minutes to come outside on coming in that bag thing and like they scattered up that up as crazy that for three years he wasn't scared enough to stop doing the stuff he was doing. Sharing. Yeah, you ever popped upon an ex or man or your man? You know what? No, because of something that's going on. I

don't want to know about it. You're getting when you go looking for trouble. But here's my story. So I found out that my suons the ex husband, Uh put his cell phone in my car. So one day on part and all of a sudden, I just hear this music out of the blue, and I'm like, what is that? So I looked at my fat feet and he shoved his cell phone in between my back seat so he could track me. So he didn't have his cell phone on him, he just left it him. Yeah, exactly. He

said he had a second form. Dang, wow, he had to charge that every day. That's that smart. Why did he not trust you? Was there a reason or he just hit insecurities? M M all right, thank you exactly. DeAngelo. Yo, you propped upon your wife's man. Oh yeah, oh yeah, good morning. By the way, good morning. He's liked good morning Christa mom. I'm not crazy, but uh well yeah,

I responded to what she did. She wouldn't and I didn't want her to go out, So I got my daughter in the up, put my dog yell the truck and pulled up at the club on called her in line. But at the day it was I knew that I brought my dog with him because I felt like, I don't have to go into the club. But I didn't have to go in the club. Thank god. But I got out cause a little thing in the line got her in the truck and then we pulled off. You brought your dog, can't get out the car and your

daughter and me while I'm yelling that huff. So you was gonna bring your dog and daughter in the club to final Now I was gonna be the dog and the daughter in the car while I was in the club. How old is your daughter? Oh? She was a baby? Baby? Then baby, So you're about to go to jail. You're about to go to jail because of your own in charity. Nice one of those nights, man, you should the dog in the club and he rasdalized it. But you know what, my dog go watched my daughter while I go to

the club for a second. I have the best guard dog anyword I wanted to did it? Had my dog been been been like he want and his mother water? But you know, all right, man, I'm sorry, that's too much. I have a god, I ain't gonna front. That ain't a bad idea. I leave, I lead the dog in the car with the kids. I'm terrible like this. Shut up? What's the mall of the story, the all of the stories? Get your insecurities together. Bro Okay, trust me, I've been there.

I feel sorry for Reginator. But she young though, you know what I mean, So I get it. You know you're just happening for her. Yeah, you do stuff like that when you're young, when you have those insecurities and you know you just want to make sure somebody doing it right by you. I get it, I get it, all right. We got more coming up next with a breakfast club wanting everybody is DJ Envy and Angela ye Cholamine the guy. We all the breakfast club. We got

some special guests in the building. Yes, sir, you have Michael Eric Dyson, who has a book that's coming out, jay Z Made in America. Yes, sir, and it's of course on jay Z as well. That's true too. Couldn't be better. I mean, from your mouth to God's ears.

What is this book about? Well, you know, as uh, sister Angela was saying, I've been teaching a course on jay for like the last decade and nearly the last decade, i should say, And so I wanted to take what I've been doing in that class and put in the book because it appeared to me as it should to anybody when you're pouring over these lyrics. This dude is a rhetorical genius, his verbal invention, He's got all kinds of skills, and the irony is as great as people

think Jay is. He's underrated. He's underrated because they don't understand the mechanics behind what he's doing, the kind of poetic rules and inventions, the use of metaphor similarly, how sophisticated it is. And then when you're adding there the fact he don't even write it down. This book kind of is the finishing of the trilogy of figures who have been incredibly important and influential in the world of

hip hop. It's interesting, you've been teaching this course at Georgetown for ten years and so much has happened in jay Z's life in the course of that ten years. So how do you adjust to that as you come

up with your syllabus every year. Yeah, that's a great point. Well, you got to involve, you know, And and Hope is putting out so much work and putting in so much work and doing so many things because it's not just the music he's doing, it's what he's doing beyond the culture um of hip hop itself, or it's especially beyond rap, so his business ventures, his engagement in the world, his entrepreneurial um, you know, exploits, his criminal justice reform stuff,

all of that stuff, and then just the music itself, just the words themselves, the density of his poetic inventiveness. It's something that I'm preoccupied with. So every time out, you know, we focus on a different aspect or a different level of his creativity and look at new stuff he's done. Well do you guys communicate with each other? Um, you know, pretty pretty routinely. Um. You know. The best

best thing he did for me on this book. People say, well, it's just an interview now, because I got my ideas. I don't need to interview. Hope, I've been I've been thinking about him for a decade. The most amazing thing he did for me was to allow me to quote from these lyrics so that I could stretch out and interpret him. Because you know, and most most publishers are

very skittish, only do half a sentence. You got to pay for it copyright, We might get sued, And so I would reach out to my safe I say, man, I I can you help, can you get God forgive me for my BRANDT delivery. But I remember vividly what the did to me. Imagine me allowing you to nitpick and me portray me like a pickan me. So you know, and I had asked it him, could he could he give me permission? And he when he signed off, it

blew my publisher's mind. But that's why even on the cover you see the lyrics to the old JA song emboss there. That's pretty dope cover. I must say I didn't. I didn't, I didn't do it, but it's a pretty nice cover. And we wanted to do something that was worthy of hoping on the inside you and see that boskiot influenced kind of artwork on the inside there, So you know he gave permission to do that, and that that makes a big difference. Why is the book dedicated

to Michael Rubin and Robert Frederick Smith? Yeah, well you know both of them are interestingly enough, are connected to Jay on his criminal justice reform, you know, reform alliance. And you know Michael Rubin was instrumental in helping Meek Mill get out of jail. So for that alone, I gotta give you some love. Yeah, But then understanding that you got to leverage that to a larger issue that

Jay is concerned about. Cash bales are jacked up, the kind of dysfunction of the criminal justice system that saw Meek Mill go in and out of prison for parole violations for a decade for some nonsense when he was

a child or a young team or a teenager. And then you know, to address that as he used to call him owners but partners of the Philadelphia seventy six ers, is worthy of that in Robert Frederick Smith, when you go to the Moorhouse and drop forty mile on him and say, look, I will take care of your bills and your future is vouchsafed and it's secure as a result of what this gesture is about, I gotta show

love and respect. So both of them are connected to that reform alliance, but both of them have done significant things to advance the ball in terms of advocating for the future of young black men in America and young black people. What what what? What is Jay Z gotten right in this whole NFL situation and what have you gotten wrong? Well, look, I think that you know, people say, oh,

he's sold out, he just messed up. He first of all, he's rocking the Colin Kaepernick jersey, and then he turns around and he's and he's telling other artists not to be involved in the Super Bowl. And then he turns around and he's advising them, and he's cutting a deal. I think what people misunderstand is that you got to have a three point shooter, and you got to have baseline.

You got to have Steph Curry, and you got to have Lebron going in and jamming the ball, and you got to have people occupying both spaces inside outside, Martin Viking Junior standing outside, I have a dream criticizing the social injustices that prevail. But then Martin Viking Junior going inside with Lyndon Baines Johnson the President and saying, how do we craft the Civil Rights Bill of nineteen sixty four?

How do we craft legislation for the Voting Rights Act? Now, the Voting Rights Act is brought into existence not because of the good graces of the presidency or the desire even though LBJ wanted to do that, but he wanted to have a social condition that prevailed a political pressure brought to bear to make it sensible to do so. That's how things work. And so when jay Z is out putting pressure on the NFL, people don't give him credit for this. That the fact that he said, don't

go do the Super bowls and halftime show. And look we in stadiums too, m we in stadiums too, that puts pressure. They didn't just do it because of the goodness of their hearts. They saw this man will significant economic influence and cultural power, and as a result of that, the pushback was genuine and palpable. So now they invite him in to have a conversation. What's these uses to go? No, I want you to do right. Oh, but I'm not

gonna tell you what I think is right. Well, if I tell you what you're doing is wrong, and then you invite me into the conversation to say what's right, I gotta sit down and tell you. So for me, jay Z going inside is really responding to the pressure he brought to bear on the outside and sitting down talking about either the acts that are going on in

halftime all right, but the social justice agenda. And do we really doubt that Colin Kaepernick, whatever you think of that, Colin Kaepernick, a bold, amazing, iconic social justice figure, would never have had an opportunity to even have what is now a botched you know, out in audition for the NFL without jay Z bringing pressure to bear. Now the people who were critical Jay said, well, damn you think at Leasy could have done. It's got my man a job. First of all, that any high work. Are you not

understanding of how it works? Roger Goodell, who is the commissioner, can't even go to a team and make them do it. But can they leverage authority? Yeah? Can they say wink wink not and not come home? Bro, Let's do something for this guy. Jay Z is putting enormous pressure. You know, Roger Goodell, if he wanted to do that, he would have done so before jay Z came on the scene.

So we know jay Z's presence was significant there. So for me, it's the inside versus outside dichotomy that we've got to reckon with and we got to stop the hate. If you disagree with me, then I'm a comb then I'm a sellout. I'm not saying that they are not people who have done dastardly things in the name of racial duty and who deserved to be called out or at least called to account, but the ready, ready resort

to trying to beat people up. And you a cone and you you know what, you coon and somebody today, and you're gonna be coon the next day. You canceling somebody today, You're gonna get canceled yourself the next day. We got more with Michael Eric Dison where we come back, don't move. It's the Breakfast Club back, It's the Breakfast Club. DJ n v angel Ye Charlomagne the guy. We have Michael Eric Diyson in the building. What do you think about Stephen A. Smith's take on Colin Kaepernick not actually

conforming with too what the NFL wanted him to do. Well, you know, I was on Look, Stephen A. Smith is a friend of mine. I'm friendly with Colin Kaepernick. I love and adore him, and I think, look, what Stephen A. Smith was trying to suggest is that in the context of what the NFL is, first of all, we know they messed up. We know they jacked up. We know they took a job from you that you shouldn't have had taken from you. You know this right. Anyway, that's

not a mystery. The fact that Colin Kaepernick even as to be in this position is fundamentally unjust the fact that he is to be begging for something, not begging asking for something, an opportunity to show that he is capable of performing in an NFL when he didn't because of his own merit old to do that when because it wasn't his arm wasn't good, it wasn't that he not true enough, He had some troubles when he was starting, and he was benched in favor of somebody else and

so on. That's all true. But the man still wills tremendous talent, and it is better than half the people starting right now, and certainly the people they go on the street and find and bring into the NFL, because their desk before a quarterback. So there's no question that the white supremacists outlooking mindset in worldview and feltonshonging in every other word you can generate of these owners that prevents them from understanding that their own bigotry and bias

will keep Colin Kaepernick on the sidelines. Is a serious issue that cannot be dismissed. And this is the tradition. If I can say that that some black people, including Stephen A. Smith, come from, here's the position black people always against the eyes. It ain't never fair, Right, Martin LUs King Jr. Could forget a waiver on a contract

forgetting that. I'm not saying that that's not important, right, because if the waiver being signed was to suggest that somehow you would you would surrender your right to be able to sue in the future or to accuse people of further collusion. Right, That's that's idiotic, and nobody trying to do that. But the broader issue is this pharaoh

will never provide you a scholarship for freedom. Right. The people who are your enemies and your opponents will never grant you even the fair conditions for you to compete. But the best of our people have competed against the odds. Was it fair for Jackie Robinson to have to live the way he did? No? Was it right? No? Did

he do it? Yes? Should we have to know? Should Colin Kaepernick have to exist by a kind of segregated Jim Crow law in the modern era in twenty nineteen, when we've had, you know, voting rights for black people in the South since nineteen sixty five. No? No, but his white supremacy is still real? Yes? Does it amplify within the cauldrons of you know, the NFL and American institutional culture and corporate cult. Absolutely. So the thing is knowing that going in the door, you don't never expect

them to be fair. You demand, you request, but you go out there and show, you know what, even what your funky, foul, nefarious tricksterism, I'm gonna show you. I can toss this rock, I can chuck this pill, I can throw this pig skin, and I can do what's necessarily do. Put the burden back on them. And then if they don't hire you, even though we know now he still can play, they already know that if they don't hire you, that's on them. That's up to them.

So I think there's a tradition of black response, and I know a lot of black people, Oh my god, this is the politics of respectability, and you're trying to prove that you're twice as good just to compete. I'm sorry, I'm sixty one years old. That's the generation I'm from, right, So my point is is that yes, there is a thing such as loving Colin Kaepernick, supporting Colin Kaepernick, wanting him to do the best in the right thing, and suggesting this, you could tighten up some of you some

of your strategy too. You could there's a way in what you might approach this that might be different. This is not to put the burden on him like you do the right thing and then the NFL was let off the hook. No, but we know we're living in a white supremacist society where the patent unfairness and hypocrisy is pervasive. So knowing that going in the door, be armed to be able to compete and to deal with this.

This is why, by the way, when Martin Luther King Junior and other figures in his brand to the movement were involved, they were rigorously trained. They were taught principles, they were talked about, They were taught about social injustice, how to deal with potential scenarios that would prevail, that allowed them to be able to do their best on the battlefield. I would tell you something, man, I agreewed

a lot of what you said, most of it. And if I was capp and I would have thought that waiver what he was trying to get me to sign over my rights to, you know, not be able to sue the future. And if they would have gave me an ultimatum that said, hey, I don't know if this is true. I need to get ultimatum that I said, take it to leave it. You got two hours, right, I have said them. Of course, who wouldn't do that?

So you wouldn't have held the other tryout. And if I did hold the other tribe, I would have only held it for attention. So when I got in front of them cameras, I put them on blast with that waiver. Well see that's the thing. See, here's the part of the problem. You know, the NFL is saying one thing about the waivers. They're swearing up and down. That's not what it is, right, it's being misrepresentative, of course, and cap side is saying something else. So we don't really

know what they showed them. I saw an article yesterday where they showed the standard waiver and waver cap got. It was definitely more language than caps would well, no doubt. And in the bottom line is beyond the waiver, the man has been mistreated. Ain't nobody else getting subject to what he's being subjected. So it's criminal at that level, there's no question about that. But that's different from us than trying to figure out what is the strategic response?

And we don't have to be sellouts because we say hey, there's a way in what you can do it is it is it wrong to say, hey, Cap, it might be good that when people trying to get at you who know stuff about this, you could respond to them. Right now. Let me give you an example. I love Colin Kaepernick. I was at the Tyler Perry event, you know, and when Beyonce thanked me for you know, showing love to them all the time. After that, I don't know

really what happened. I'm just not sure if the time stopped moving, if the float of eternity had descended with uh, you know, powerful and poetic intensity, stop Hayden. So the thing is is that Kaepernick came up to me said, look, man, I'm have to straighten you out about what's going on. I said, cool, I'm available, right, I said, but Cap, I'll be texting you. You give me a text when you want me to be your pr guy to tell what's going on in the world, But when I'm trying

to get at you, to interview you. I've defended Kaepernick in my last three books and tears. We cannot stop a sermon of White America and what truth sounds like? Uh J Robert F. Kennedy, James Baldwin in the Conversation Unfinished Conversation on Race in America, and now in this book on jay Z, I love and adore him. I admire him, but I think that there's a way in which we could talk honestly behind the scenes about things. Now.

Ain't gotta be me and miss Nessa, a lovely, brilliant, wonderful woman's partner, you know, said Hey, I want to talk to you. I call both of them. Ain't got no response. Now, I'm not trying to put them on blast. That ain't my point, because you ain't gonna call Mikeelreg Dyson. But I'm saying, talk to people, and I hope you are in your community. But is it wrong to say we can talk off stage, off the phone, behind the scenes, so I could offer whatever I do. I kind of

do this for a living. I've written twenty one books. I've been teaching for thirty years. I'm out here in these screets. I'm doing what I do. I'm saying I do have something, and people usually pay me a bunch of money for that. I'm trying to offer it to you for free. You ain't gonna take my advice. But I'm saying engage, but don't be upset. Then in the public sphere and square when I have to then talk about there could be alternatives to strategic intervention. Can't do it.

It's hard for Colin. And that's where the trust people at this moment, I can understand what I get it, they get it. They get a lot of death threads, and especially I think this whole situation with jay Z, it just it divided the culture in a way that it shouldn't It shouldn't have it shouldn't have done too.

At the same time, if you're telling, if you're challenging me about you want to straighten me out, and I call you to get straightened out, and you don't straighten me out, dog get in on me and listen here, that doesn't mean therefore because I didn't hear from you, I'm going to do. I'm gonna be principled in my

response regardless. Yeah, it's going to speak on what you know from what you I'm gonna speak for what I believe, what I know, what I think, how I reflect the understanding of how this stuff is operated in the past, the ways in which leaders have clashed and disagreed. This ain't the first time. Cancer culture didn't invent it. It just amplifies it more. It makes it more immediate. We got more with Michael Eric Dison where we come back,

don't move. It's to breakfast club the morning. You know, I don't want to ask you about but to well, Honestly, I wish Cap would just say the NFL, that's number one. Honest I wish you would just be like, but I don't want to play no more. I know, but look at you. If somebody did that to you and they say, I just wish Charlotte Magne would just say radio that's what he that's his life. I was. I wouldn't beg

keep you starting the podcast is different than the whole league. Yeah, come on, I'm just saying, man, it comes a point in time where you have to have some integrity about yourself. He has and stop and stop kind of like knocking on these white people, dough when you know they don't want to let you in. Well, all of us a knocking on the white man's door. Oh you had to do? Is this a black on radio session? No, But I'm not knocking. No, but if then you ain't gonna knock.

But if you but look how he said, Okay, they're coming to get you. You ain't gonna knock, but I'm gonna get you. All I'm simply saying is they was. If they kicked me out right for three years, that's theory. They kicked me out for three years, had no money, support your family, your wife, looking at you. He got money, though he got money. But I'm saying what he's passionate about. He grew up and this is his life. Like football. He wants to play in the NFL. Dude, he got skilled.

He was doing the vicep but he is Kaepernick. He was one throw from winning the Super Bowl. This is what he's born to do. If somebody tells me, Dison, you can't speak, you can't teach, I'm gonna go teach

on the side road somewhere that's cold. But why deny me a legitimate, legitimate opportunity to speak in a classroom that I've earned a degree for And the only reason I can't do it, to apply my wares and to practice my craft is because of some arbitrary, racist refusal to acknowledge me that that would go down real tough. I think what we're seeing right now is the suffering that comes from arguing with reality. Because I think Colin Kaefernick is bigger than football. I think he's I think

he made. I think he stands for more than what football is, and it might be as great as a gift. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes you gotta pay attention to how God has pushed you in another direction, and especially after last week and they gave him that wave of that clearly shows they're still trying to collude against him by t how would have gave him the middle finger and been like, if y'all, if y'all Negro still watching the NFL, y'all really awesome? Sell up. Well, here's the thing.

In the dark, the divine in the demonic feel the same. How you do this right? Right? Remember Jacob was wrestling with the angel and it said Jacob wrestled all night long until the morning. Why did he wrestle until the morning, Because sometimes in the dark, the devil and God feel the same. They do the same stuff. They push you, they irritate you, they make you mad. You don't know. So what you think is God could be evil, and

what you think is evil could be God. Remember Joseph, with the Code of Many Colors, said you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. But at the moment that you're the recipient of and the object of derision and scorn, that stuff is awful tough to take. It might be God's speaking, but it sounds like the devil's voice you here. So all of us have to struggle with what God's intent is for our lives. We don't know until later on. Maybe now he will understand,

but that's not for me to say. So you've got to understand what your gift is, what your time is, what your opportunity is, and that's not for us to say. And so again I would hesitate to say to Colin Kaepernick, clearly your destiny is X, Y and Z, because the attempt and effort that he's making and being rejected in

public is an object lesson for somebody to look. So maybe God's purpose is for us to see the public exposure of the shenanigans, the hypocrisy, and in the incredible manipulations that are going on, which are just as effective as him occupying a slot on an NFL team and doing what he's gonna do. We don't know, but we can't. We can't impose that. All we can do is derive meaning and benefit and advantage from what we see going on. And I would never presume to tell Colin Kaepernick what

to do with his life. I support him with whatever

he does. I just want us to be strategic in our assistance to him and our core operation with him and trying to figure out the best route to redemption in this moment, and no simple conversation about oh, you know, you're a sellout because you said this, and you're a sellout because you agree with this, and you're a sellout because you think he should have an alternative strategy, or you're a sellout because you might have some constructive criticism

about what be being done. And if your goal is X, Y and Z, let me help you achieve it. That's healthy, that's beautiful. Now a lot of black people say, well, why can't we do it in public? When the last time you've been invited to a black meeting? What the hell is it? Where the hell is the black meeting? Is that the NAACP all Negros ain't a members of that is that the Urban League ain't members of That

isn't a crackhouse everybody can't get in. So my point is it's a secret one a couple of weeks ago unless you know that I'm Yo Negro and I did not get invited, and we need and we need to have more of them. Well you know what we doin there ain't no black meet that's the point. They're black meetings, right. So the point is the mythology of the necessity for uniformity and unity among black people undercuts the vibrant diversity

and the rambunctious complexity of our existence. What I mean, all of us ain't got to be on the same page and believe the same thing in order for us to understand that, we got to be in the communities that love and appreciate us and move forward, don't hate on nobody else. Right in the Bible, Paul said, Paul, and Silas and all in Timothy, Look, we got a part. You're on your path, I'm on mine. You don't like TD Jakes. Listen to Freddie Haynes. You don't like Freddy Haynes, right,

listen to Damon Glenn fi Hunt. Come on, listen to mister f you don't like far Cup my brother in the way in which right, And let me tell you about Minnister fare Count. Now, mister fair hunt inboded me to um to his house. Right. This was years and years ago. I was like, well, damn, what I do? What I do? What I do? I said, because I said the first thing I said, Minnister fair Count. I have been very critical of you. I've been critical to you about what I perceived to be anti Semitic rhetoric.

And I've been critical to you about the homophobia that I think is in your rhetoric. Right, I ain't gonna lie to him. I'm at his crib. I'm hoping this ain't the last time I'm gonna be saint. And he said, my brother, how can we love and engage each other if we do not in love correct each other. So if you share with me your particular perspective and i you mine, then we have the possibility of overcoming four

hours four hours. Right, I got real differences, I got real critiques, but the possibility of opening up at least to talk about what those might mean, his critiques of me, my critiques of him, and together we figure out this

ain't my community. That ain't your tribe. All your skin folk ain't your kin folk to me, jay Z. The reason I wrote this book, the reason I celebrate his you know, transition from hustler on the street to hustler in the corporate scene, The reason I celebrate his poetic genius, the reason I celebrate his politics. Jay Z didn't start in politics when he joined What What What What? Mama Right. He was talking on his records all the time, but

he was combining. He knew on his first album. Oh, I gave him serious revelation and prophecy, and they ain't feeling it like that. The same way with nas right, So you gotta figure out. I gotta get my message through in a way when the rims in the system may not tell him. I got to quote Biggie, but then I got to get in Ben Lydden Ben happening in Manhattan right talking about the anthrax. He said, back then, back when the police was out, kind of the black man.

He's snicking that, sneaking that in to some big pimping because he understands that you can't give medicine straight. You got to get the castor or with sugar. That's right right, you got to give the hard lesson with honey. So jay Z has brilliantly fused and merged the impost toward poetic genius and understanding the marketplace in an unparalleled fashion. And so this book celebrates that genius Hove is a great man. Not because his poetic conventiveness and rhetorical genius

is so remarkable that it demands repeated listening. It does. He is a great man because he's been willing to grow and evolve and to tell the truth along the way. My man, Michael Leric Dyson, thank you so much for that. That's right, does it did have a copy of the book already, Yes, he does. It's out right now, make sure you go get it. Jay Z Made in America by Michael Eric Dyson. Appreciate you. My brother always kills you. It's a breakfast clum you get you are, don't I'm

gonna fatten all that around your eye. This man two dog and blowers. Many wait with Charlemagne to make a judgment who was going to be on the donkey of the day. They chose you for the breakfast donkey of the day to day donkey of today. Go to a young woman named Ties you to Russia. Ties. It is twenty nine years old, and she's the great State of New Jersey dropping a close bumps in New Jersey. Dammit, Now, before we talk about Todger, let me ask y'all a

question out there. When the last time you got stood up? When it's the last time you told someone you wanted to take them out and didn't show up? Huh? When is the last time you told someone to come over and you fell asleep on their ass? I have homeboys now who are not married, not in a committed relationship, not part of this faithful black male community, and they tell me stories like this all the time, especially when

we out of time. All right, women come to the hotel and be downstairs in the lobby for hours because said individual has fallen asleep on their ass. Every time I hear stories like this, I feel for those women because to me, this is a different level of disrespect. Right. If a man calls you over and tells you that he fell asleep on you, he's an eight lying because he was going through his phone and decided to call a couple of different chicks, And whoever got there first

is who he's with. Hinch why he is not answering for you or b you just don't excite him like that. Okay, you're not falling asleep on a woman you are really excited to see. In fact, that adrenaline rush you get from seeing a being around a woman you're into. It's gonna wake your ass up, all right, you got a woman coming over, you get excited. All right, you think you're gonna get some ass, So you gonna hop your ass in the shower, and that shower gonna wake you up.

Then you're gonna lotion up, throw on some basketball shorts in the fresh T shirt, spray some cologne on, roll up something smoke, paul you a glass or something, and waiting for the young lady you called over to arrive. Okay, I fell asleep. You fell asleep. How boring was your box that the thought of you coming over puts a man to sleep? All right? So yes, ladies, you should feel extremely disrespected when you come to see a man and he tells you I fell asleep. That you wouldn'teel

disrespected to eat that happened to you. Yeah, I'd be annoyed that I came out of my way. Then that's exactly what happened to Taja and Russell? Now? According to the New York Daily News, Taga was the side chick all right, that's the New York Daily News words, not mine, all right. Tiger was this young man she was visiting side chicken. The young man told authorities that he asked Russell to his house for sex, but he fell asleep

before she arrived. Disrespectful. When Tiger got to the man's house, she called him eight times, eight times, but he didn't pick up. After eight phone calls, she allegedly text the man, I see you want to die, followed by you wasted my money to come out of hire. And then around four am, security camera saw Maga knocking on this young man's door and he still didn't answer. Ladies, when this is over, rewind and listen to what I said about a man disrespecting you. The level of disrespect this young

woman TiSER received. It's four in the morning. You got there and called eight times, You're knocked on his door and he eggetting the hell out of you not to mention you already his side chick. What else is there to do, especially after you sent him that I see you want to die? Texts well, you gotta attempt to kill him. Let's go to News twelve New Jersey to see how tire and Russell hands in this situation. A woman accused of setting a man's home on fire after

she was invited over for a late night rendezvous. Police say the small twenty nine year olds Hesia Russell, went to the home on Barbara Avenue, North Jersey. Dot Com reports the man fell asleep did not answer the door. They say that's when Russell set the home on fire. The man was taken to the hospital with burns and smoking elation. Todger was determined to have a hot date.

All right, Remember when I told you that if a man falls asleep on you before you get there, that means the thought of your poom poom makes them sleepy. You out there giving out that boring ass box. Well, I think Todger realized that in her mind, and she was not leaving that house that night without the word fire coming out of that man's mouth. She wanted that worry to be used to describe her vagina, but she didn't get that opportunity, so she decided to set his

crib ablaze. Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you other than her having an arson charge and an attempted murder charge and being held without bail. I kind of feel him, all right. See, let's just be a lesson to you fools, all right. Stop standing women up like that after you didn't waste the their time, energy and money that comes see you. All right, it's disrespectful and just not right. But ladies, don't be like Taja. When a man doesn't

value you, doesn't appreciate you, stands you up. Don't do what Tija did, even though it hurts not to react, all right, don't do what Taija did. Yeah, I know you really want to work this out, but I don't think this man is ever gonna change all right when you do, but they don't. I just think it's best you go your separate ways, all right. Sometimes you have to ask yourself, why should I stay in this relationship

when you're hurting, baby, you ain't happy baby. Let's there's just so many other things you gotta deal with, So I just think that you should let it burn, all right. Please let me remond. Give Tiger Russell the biggest he hall he ha he ha, he's stupid. Volume I might put something on our books. I might might just put bars eminems or something, some peanut eminems or something. My goodness, I feel our pain a little bit. All right, well, thank you for that donkey today now very literal and

true to her words. What would get for having her hot? I thought at four in the morning. All right, we got more coming up next with a breakfast club, the breakfast club e j envy angela ye Charlemagne the god. We are the breakfast Club. We have a special guest in the belt, Miss Tina Lifford. Welcome, good morning, Welcome, I'm blessed black and Holly favorite. How you know that's the truth. That's right me too. You got a book out, the Little Book of Lies, a little book of big lies?

What was a big lie? Big lie is anything that has ever happened in your in your life that has left you feeling less than, not good enough or incapable. Oh so, basically like the traumas that you've dealt with, traumas you know that teacher that said something true to you. Hold on to that experience of seeing something that traumatized you like my father did. Whatever it is that stold your power is a lie, that co work that talks about you all the time, A lies about you. Say

it again. Now you heard me, I said that coworker lies about absolutely. Well, if in fact that lie actually steals your power, then it is a lie. If it doesn't steal your power, then it's just noise. Okay, Like people we were talking about the term by ugly when people say by ugly, and I've been getting that my whole life, but I didn't realize it was a bad term until this morning. And isn't that good? You know, because if you didn't internalize its power, then then it

had no power over right. But when those events happen in our lives and they wind up being stuck in our emotional system and now they begin to shape how we see and experience ourselves and others, that's a lie. And it's a lie that we need to take our power back. So you've said in this book that emotional pain and frustration that we have that comes from these

guys that we've been told a lot of times. When we have these chronic issues that we're dealing with, it's because something that somebody said to us has really stuck with us and we've internalized, we have internalized. Do you use that pain sometimes and you're acting. Oh my goodness, gracious, yes, I mean I think that one of the best parts of being an actor is that the profession requires that you explore your internal experiences and be able to access them.

And so being able to touch pain and old pain is what a lot of people call the method act method process. I don't do that. I so love the human condition. I so understand that we are all the same on the outside. We got a lot of different details going on, but on the inside, when it comes to the emotional part of us, were the exact same. If in fact, something hurts you, then that hurt becomes a part of our experience. It loops in our lives

until we actively go in and address it. And so it's really easy for me to as an actress, tap into emotional pain because I know what it is right and I don't have to bring up, you know, something from my past. I just know if I'm living the life of the character in front of me, then that character is at an emotional place that I know. I've been there, We've all been there. Everybody could be an actor. If you can accept and relate to and own your

emotional experience, Now you dedicated this book to your brother. YEA, let's talk about that. Ye what happened to your brother? So let's start with the fact that my brother started smoke can Read when he was maybe eleven years old. And I know this after the fact, right, But he died at fifty from a drug overdose, two weeks out

of rehab. And the reason the book is dedicated to my brother is because he truly was one of the best people that I know, but he was sensitive in a way that wasn't good in this world, particularly when he also had the challenge of being of not being

able to read. And at that time, they didn't know that it was dyslexic, that he was dyslexic, right, So you go from the early experiences of not being like the other kids, and then my father also could not read and that was not something that my father dealt with appropriately where my brother was concerned. So my brother had no rules, right, and my father was able to

power through where my brother couldn't. And I think that my brother and my father, and I'll say this without any sense of protection, I think that my father was hard on my brother because he was making him ready for the world. But he was hard on a child that was more sensitive than he was, and so that child needed a different level of interaction and care. Oh

that's powerful. The reason that's so powerful is because as men, we have issues with our father and the way they may have been tough on us, the way they may have discipline us, Because as you grow older, you realize it was kind of just doing the best they could.

He was teaching based off the experiences that he'd been doing, what he had learned, and his limited knowledge of himself and his way of navigating the world right, which really, you know, if you if you are projecting your way of navigating the world onto someone else and you're not taking time to actually know that person, you might very

well be running over the very essence of another human beings. Yeah, you know, trying to help them be like you, right, Because we always talk about kids and they'll say, oh, kids, they're too sensitive nowadays, But all kids have different levels our sensitivity. Absolutely, we all need to slow down and

really connect with the person in front of us. And the reason we don't do that is that we are afraid that we don't want to challenge our own mindset and beliefs, and so we need everyone to agree that the way in which we see it is the way in which it is and is correct, and to challenge our beliefs is to put us in a place of discomfort, because if I don't know what I know, then how do I survive? How do you feel about marijuana now?

Because you mentioned marijuana and your brother started smoking at eleven, so many different states of legalizing it, but obviously for your brother could have been a gateway drug to something stronger. How do you feel about marijuana use. Marijuana was not

my brother's gateway. Payne was his gateway. Oh right. I think that the challenge with any drug use, even recreational drug use, is that if we don't know ourselves well enough, then it is very easy for a substance to step in and help calm the disease that is inside of us, when what we really should be doing is finding more effective ways to calm that disease. Take care of yourself, connect with yourself, be able to be with yourself. Then you won't need the substances to make it okay to

just be here. We have more of our conversation with author and star of Queen Sugar, Tina Lifford coming up next, it's the Breakfast Club wanting everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are to Breakfast Club now if

you just join us. We were talking about Little Wayne's daughter, Yestayne Antoya Rice daughter, and she went to this cucumber pool party and she previously had been really not excited about these women doing this cucumber challenge, so people were getting at her for being at the party, but she said, Okay, guys, I want to say this. I went to the party to spy on wife and Lucci females. Don't act like you never did it. But when I heard about the

cucumber activities, I left. To be honest, I made myself look like a fool for this man, and I apologize for allowing you guys to see it. I'm young and still learning. Now, have you ever spot on your man before? You have? I ever did a pop up if you want to call it, Yeah, you know I've done a pop up. I don't trying to think if I've ever gone to a party, but I've definitely popped up at his house. I did that a couple of times. One time I actually climbed through the window that's a real

pop up. And that's because I knew something was going on. And sometimes even though we know things, we want to see it with our own eyes. I don't know why, but I guess that was really the end of it for me, to be able to see somebody doing something with my own eyes. Yeah, I've done it once to twice, Charlemagne always. I grew up a very insecure young man too.

And when you are the type of person like me who was cheating on my woman and made me feel guilty, so that on top of my insecurity, I thought she was doing dirt when she wasn't. So, yes, I popped up at jobs. I've popped up at dorms ipped the class, went to apartments. I popped u the class, well, my motorcycle right to a class. Well, well you think she was doing in class? I don't know. I don't know. You just want to see. Maybe she passed in a note,

Maybe she holding her hands like as a guy. As a guy when a guy is already doing hurt, like you automatically think your woman is just like you know, sucking everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Like, even if she's not like any you can go down anytime any place. So yes, definitely had guys pop up on me. Was at parties and listen, I'll leave a party if somebody trying to pop up on me, I slide out and be like, this is ridiculous. Are you pop up? Like?

You know, like I say, like say, like, you know, my wife was in college. They used to be party in at this place called five points five pence puts. All the college kids used to go on Thursday night. I mean, anybody could go hang out there, but that wasn't really my scene. But you just pop up at a random place, like what are you doing here? Like, you know, you just just be in Charlotte Ruce while she in there, like why are you in Charlotte Ruce?

Just doing a little shot? It's a clothing herself. But you know, you just you just pop up in random places. You ain't got no business being. Why are you at my old b g y n Oh? I don't know. I just say nothing, Hello, who's this? Hello? My name is jazz Man. How are you going? Jazzmine? Queen of the pop up Jasmine is way too loud to be popping up on somebody. No, definitely popped up on that as but uh, let me tell y'all. Let me tell y'all,

I'm really gonn pop up queen. Though, let me say I had a tracker on my on my every daddy car for like three years and he never knew it. Wow, he was like, damgn't like thinking that his friends had thrown them and everything like that. But really he had no idea that I was just like tracking that ass so all day every day. I don't know how he couldn't figure that out when you were just showing up

play put a track on somebody's call. Clearly they do jos when you're crazy, crazy as hell, don't play with me, And you did that for three years. He never knew though, right, he never knew so listening, Like one time he went out to eat with this girl, like I said in the parking Jobs, I got him eat it everything. They went back to his apartment, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm just just following him, and he was like, okay, so he kee, So I just you know, I just

walked up to the apartment, knocked on the door. They turned off the lights and stuff, try to hide him stuff and the texting the girls phone, like like he got five minutes to come outside on coming in that thing and like they scattered up. That as crazy that for three years he wasn't scared enough to stop doing the stuff he was doing. Sharing. Yes, you ever popped upon an ex or man or your man? You know what? No, because there's something that's going on. I don't want to

know about it. You're get in trouble when you go looking for trouble. But here's my story. So I found out that my soon to be ex husband um put his cell phone in my car. So one day on part and all of a sudden, I just hear this music out of the blue, and I'm like, what is that? So I looked at my that feat and he shoved his cell phone in between my back seat so he could track me. So he didn't have his cell phone

on him, he just left it him. Yeah exactly. He said he had a second form dang while he had to charge that every day. That's why did he not trust you? Was there a reason or he just h his insecurities? M M all right exactly. DeAngelo. Oh you propped upon your wife? Man? Oh yeah, oh yeah, good morning, by the way, good morning. He's like, good morning, Cristal all, I'm not crazy. What you do the uh angling? Well, yeah,

I responded to what she did. She wasn't out, and I didn't want her to go out, so I got my daughter in the truck, put my dog yet the truck and pulled up at the club on called her in line. But at the thing it was, I knew that I brought my dog with him because I felt like I was gonna have to go into the club. But I didn't have to go in the club, thank god. But I got out cause a little thing in the line. Got her in the truck and then we pulled off.

You brought your dog, can't get out of the car and your daughter and me while I'm yelling at huh. So you was gonna bring your dog and daughter in the club to final Now I was gonna be the dog and the daughter in the car while I was in the club. How old is your daughter? Oh? She was a baby, baby? Then the baby. So you're about to go to jail. You're about to go to jail because of your own into charity. I'm nice all night.

Oh man, you should the dog in the club and he raps it alized it like you know, what my dog go watch my daughter while I go in the club for a second. I have the best guard dog. I want to did it had my dog been been been? Like you want to end war? But you know, all right, man, I'm sorry, that's too much good. I ain't gonna front that in a bad idea. I leave. I lead the dog in the car with the kids of terrible this shut up? What's the mather of the story? The mall

of the stories. Get your insecurities together, bro okay, trust me, I've been there. I feel sorry for Reginator, but she young though, you know what I mean, So I get it. You know you're just happening for her. Yeah, you do stuff like that when you're young, when you have those insecurities, and you know you just want to make sure somebody doing right by you. I get it, I get it, all right. We got more coming up next with a breakfast Club morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne

the God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, yep, author David Back. Thank you for having me. He's one of the most trusted financial experts in the world. Correct, okay, and a best selling financial author, and you have a new book called The Latte Factor. I'm just super grateful to have it. Beyond the showman, thank you. We'll talk to us about the Latte Factor. What are the comparisons between finances and Latti? Yeah, well,

because here's the deal. The forty four to ten Americans right now cannot get their hands on one hundred dollars in case of emergency. Jesus take that four out of ten. That's better than herpes Herpey's only one in three. Jesus take that in for a second. Wait, six out of ten Americans can't get their hands on a thousand dollars in case of emergency purposes. So seven out of ten Americans living paycheck to paycheck. And what I've been teaching out for almost total twenty six years is that we

got to break this. The way you break it, the way you stop living paycheck to paycheck, is you realize the small amounts of money can change your life. So I created this concept called the Latte Factor, which is the idea that if sad wasting five bucks a day on a lot day, you took that five dollars a day, you put it inside your retirement account. You paid yourself first, you could become a millionaire. So so here's what you

needent bag. But we got this, We got this little story, we got this metaphor in here, and got chart right, and a little simple chart shows you that, by the way, it takes a lifetime. Here, it takes you start in your twenties five dollars a day. By the time forty years later, at ten percent interests, it's worth nine hundred and forty eight thousand dollars. Okay, now someone, yeah, so

that's starting in your twenties right now. There's a chart on page one thirty four shows somebody saving more than five dollars a day. Okay, three hundred bucks a month. Okay, you're twenty five, you saved three hundred bucks a month. By the time you reach retirement, you got one million, nine hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. Now here's the problem, guys. Most people do not start saving at twenty five. They start saving, they start they start thinking about it at

thirty five. Do not wait to start saving money. My grandmother helped me buy my first stock at age seven. Wow. But you can only teach what you know. So a lot of these parents. You can't teach finances because they don't know finances. This though, you are absolutely right, and I'm here to say to any parent listening right now, this is my thirteenth book. This is the easiest book

I've ever written. And I'm out here watching the videos of all the amazing, incredible artists who have come through here, and a lot of them were wearing six figures in jewelry around their neck. When you start seeing somebody wearing six figures in jewelry on their neck and they don't have a six figure net worth, someone's wrong. I agree. The first thing you focus on if you're listening right now and you don't have any savings is focus. I'm

getting a thousand dollars in savings. The take I caught thee hundred day challenge, save ten dollars a day for one hundred days. You're now wealthier than six out of ten people in miracle. Now, what about what people that would say? You know, that sounds great, but what else can I do that's going to be more aggressive? I gotta I'm gonna drop a truth on you right now. Do you want to go and try and get rich overnight? You will stay poor forever. You do not get rich

in days, you get rich in decades. Yeah, but see, a lottos are really just a tax on people that are like praying and hoping, right Like, that's not a real way to go and get rich. It's a tax on your hope. It's a taxi optimism. I used to say it's a tax on stupid people. But I want everybody coming out with a gun on me. So so here's the thing. A lot we have people putting more money in the lottery tickets than retirement account. Right. So, if you've got a job today, here's what I want

you to do. You have to pay yourself first. You have to get financially selfish. The formula to financial freedom for life is saving one hour day of your income. Whether you make minimum wager you make more the average Americans making about twenty seven dollars an hour right now, one hour a day of your income paid automatically into a retirement account. You can be financially free for life. Can you elaborate on a statement you're richer than you think.

You have to learn to think like an investor. There's two things that make people in America wealthy. They are real estate and stocks. If you don't own real estate and you don't own stocks, you don't get into one of these two games or both. You're not on the escalator to building wealth. These are the things that make people wealthier. When you own real estate, the tax laws favor the rich. You can buy it. This is what

people don't realize. You can buy a home, living it for two years, sell it, and if you're single, you can keep a quarter of a million dollars in tax free gains. Okay, quote a million dollar tax free. Right. It's the only game in town where the government doesn't tax you, no one of reasons, because the government wants you to have homeowner wants you to own a home. Right. Now, here's the truth. When you look at why is it that wealth goes from one generation to the next or doesn't.

It's real estate. So homeowners are forty six times wealthier than renters. So some of the smartest investments for people with new money to make our real estate and stop. Yeah, and the simplest thing is to start with your four one K plan or your IRA account and just start saving, start investing and get yourself you know, you start some of the simples and dex fund. You got a chapter in your book called don't budget and make it automatic? Can you expand on that police. Yeah, so we're all

taught to budget. Nobody really does it in the real world. People hate it. So when I teach, is this the way you build wealth for anything? Retirement, buying a car, going on a dream, vocation, saving money for kids who are going to go to college. As you save automatically, money's got to get moved automatically from your paycheck from your income into these different savings accounts, or you won't do it. If you want to know the true formula to being able to retire in your fifties, it is

to save. I can give you the exact number right now. It's fourteen percent of your gross income. Okay, but it's fourteen percent of your gross syncome. How do I know these numbers? Because Fidelity Investments run is the largest foreign K planet and I think in the world. They have sixteen million people in the US and their foreign K

plant represents twenty thousand companies. They track the amount of people will become millionaires using their fourn K plan, and they've saved fourteen percent of their income for thirty years by the time they reached an average age of fifty nine, they're a four one k million. So the only way you're going to have money in this country is if

you take care of yourself. No one's coming to save us. Now, you address one of the law shifts about money in the law te fact, and it takes money to make money. Why that's such a misconception because if you, first of all, if you believe you've got to have a lot of money to start investing, you'll never started defeated already. You're defeated already. It is a poor mental mindset. And so

I'll go back to my grandmother. My grandmother was broke at thirty and didn't have a college education, live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and had a job in retail, a place called Gimbal's Department store. She said, I was always getting my financial advice from my friends, and they were all poor. She said, don't get your financial advice from poor people. There you go. So she went out and started taking classes at adult schools on investing. She found somebody who was a millionaire.

Didn't know the person well, but knew the person enough to say, I know you're well off. Funny actually, and I'm trying to learn how to become wealthier? Would you teach me? She actually asked for a mentor, and she learned over her lifetime what to do and you know, and then pass the lessons on to our family. A lot of times, what happens once you have money is you don't actually care then if you look rich, because

you don't care what any else thinks. The weirdest thing is that when we're not rich, we care what people think. Once we are rich, we don't give it. You say, big hat, no cat, big big hat, no cattle. Big it's a Texas phrase because that's right, get the big hat. But you got no cattle. You say, no big polk, no scroke. So if you got a big camp, all right, the state you for joining us, pick up his book The lat say fact that now, and thank you so much, sir guys, thank you for having me on your as.

I appreciate you. I don't know how we got the penises. I'm sorry. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Got to hit the club like you hit them, hit them, get them mangles like everybody's dj N v Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club charlomne Yes, sir uh you got a positive note, yes, man. A positive note is simply this man. It is always better to ask questions than to make an assumption, because assumptions set us up for suffering,