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off your chests brothers. Yeah, well, I don't really got nothing to get off my chest. I just want to say that, you know, me and my wife, we just closed on the house last week. Congratulated, Congratulations came. I appreciate, no doubt I appreciate it. I want to give my flowers from all three of y'all. I listened to y'all every morning. I'm a truck driver, a mile hit on

my things. You know. I moved from New York and I is down to Georgia now, you know, and I listened to you guys have done a lot for the community, for everybody. Charlomagne, you are the man. Thank you, King and Angela ye you're a beautiful queen. Congratulations like everything you got going on? Ain't you be bj amby? How can you brother, get a big truck in the car show? Let's do this? Um, I mean I have a problem putting a big truck in the car show. Is it just a is it customized or is it just a

regular eighteen with us? Yeah? No, it's it's customized. Got you know I did my interior, I did my life, you know, running life, all of that. All right, Well, you know we can trying to get it on. Well, I'm glad I got Wow, I'm on the radio. Let's do this. All right. Congrats brothers King, all right, y'all, y'all be good man, have a great thing. God blessed. Call a career, y'all. YouTube now brother, Hello, who's this? Hey? Rod? What up? Get you off your chests? Um, it's spending

my chest for about two months now. I do you want to ask Charlomagne, Dad um White change except listen to Ryan call everything in front of the Michael Jackson man, shut your shut up. Have I'm sending you healing energy, my brother, have a great deal. Okay, all right, you're just calling up here to raise my blood case. Why do you think Drake is better than Michael Jackson's not having this conversation? Why how old are you so you got I'm twenty three exactly, mister Riker everything and drink

himself as I was the greatest rapper. Could you could you? Could you like, just you know, go do something with your life, sir, that you don't got nothing you could be doing this morning. You ain't got a job. You can go to something, go help you mama cleaner basement, Like, is there anything you could do? I don't want you. I don't, I don't, I don't. I hate that. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not having this conversation with you on while Michael Jackson is better than Drake, you're

know about to raise my blood pressure earlier this morning? Okay? And you ever seen the as you ever seen that mean with that old man eating breakfast and the young man asked him a dumb question. He's a man. Just shut the fuck up. I don't even think that Drake would say that he's better than Michael Jackson. You think no? Will you have a good morning? Were you on you? Whether it worked too? Where you work? Brom working Uber right now. Always, let's take you guys on the radio.

Every day. I appreciate everybody. Love, oh y'all. Man, I pray to God that I never get into Uber with you. Man. Can you imagine being in the back room of the Uber and then the Uber driver would be like, hey, man, why do you think Drake better than Michael Jackson? Let me out right now, take the long way to his crib. One star to just keep asking it. Just start playing one star, one star over. I have a going by the way. Yeah, salute the Drake, But come on, man,

stop asking stupid questions. Draking Michael Jackson. There's only one Michael Jackson one, one on one. Get it off your chests eight und five eight five one five one. It's only one drink two the breakfast club. This is your time to get it off your chests, whether you're Man or blast. So you better have the same We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, who's this Jay? What up? Get it off your chests? Bro? Man,

I got deal thirty, I got played. You know, I feel like crap, But uh, I had a business partner, me and him winning the business together, and you know I gave. I gave everything. Um, I even went and got that s we ain't long and he did too, and we went and we went the business, get to god own truck and everything, and he went behind my back had another truck again. All this funny stuff went good. An accountant was out me everything, and all I am. I'm left with nothing. I had to I had to

even fail where I was living at. I'm back with my parents, like I'm starting. So y'all, y'all didn't have a contract with each other. No, he was my own boy. Me. We and him went through like three jobs together, you know. He introduced me. We met at the same job. He found another one, got me on, and then I found a prod of one so we could get our class A cels and I brought him with. I just wanted your own boys. I just want to say, man, I had started a business with somebody I was. I don't

known since I was like it in fifth grade. But you know, in the future, because I do feel bad that this happened to you. Make sure you do an operating agreement when you start a business with somebody, because

you have to have your paperwork right. You never know what might happen that way, legally you'll be able to say, but even though you could be best friends, family members, married, but if you do have a business together, do make sure you have an operating agreement and have a real lawyer invest in that because when things go left, you need to make sure. And a lot of times things do go left in business. You don't even want to have to have that conversation. It's just all in the paperwork. Yeah.

See now I feel now it's like, you know, I want to get back to that state. Like I said, I'm sort for Brown. I ain't never, I ain't giving up. But right now you've got something to prove. Yeah, yeah, I won't get back to that stage, but I want to do it. I mean I'm gonna do it myself. You know you got this. You learned a lot, You learned a lot, yea, Yeah, I already taking a L. Right Yeah no, yeah, you took it L. But that L also means learning from it. Yeah, it's a learning experience.

Good luck, brother, Hello, who's this? What's up? Man? It's big room and man St Louis absour but roaming get it off a chap, bro man. I just want to say first off Man, appreciate everything y'all do love all the y'all, especially my girl answer thee but her the announcement for the super Bowl performances, man, and I was like you, I wasn't hype man, and then get on the radio. We got this negative Nancy Charlotmagne, the kids are Man, it's kind of you know, ain't the wrong

that performances? Man, I think it's gonna be a good show. Let me let me let me ask you a question, sir, Why do you think it's negative to ask why our legends in hip hop have to share a stage collectively when you got people like the Katie Perry's of the world and whoever else who don't even have the resume they do, they get their own solo show. And I asked the question. I said, I wonder if that was a prerequisite in performing, because they don't let acts like

that performance to super Bowl, Let's be clear. So I was wondering, was that a prerequisite? Are you know? I just asking a question, that's all. Besides besides maybe like Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston, it's always been shows where artists are coming home with rock groups with rappers out there with him. So this ain't the first time that happened. Man. Everybody except Marry is from Cali. Man, so Emm is not from there's from Detroit. Shout from there. But then

he's been on all West Coast music. That's straight. That's not true either. But my point is if you're not wondering that, then you're just not thinking. I was just wondering why they had to do it as a collective. I love the show. I think it's a great lineup, but I'm just wondering why you had too. Man. I love you too, dog, I appreciate it, but thank you for calling in. I said this morning. When I heard that, man,

I was hyped, and Bro, you from Saint Louis. Correction, Uh, he's from Saint Louis, right, yeah, yeah, start look look at look at property in Saint Louis. Real estate in Saint Louis is at a good price right now, and it's starting to increase a lot. So look at real estate in Saint Louis. That's my next stop. All right, right on, Man, make an announcing when you're coming at y'all. Do a seminar and something. I definitely want to be a part of it. Now, I ain't doing no seminar.

I'm just telling you to start looking at property in Saint Louis. Start googling, go to the website because I'm hearing there's a lot of great deals and they're starting to build up the city a lot more. Well, maybe you should do a seminar there then maybe, but thank you, brother, get it off your chest. Eight hundred five eight five one oh five one. If you need to vent phone lines a wide open, call us up. Now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning. Everybody's DJ

Envy Angela yee, Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, Uncle Ralph Ralph McDaniel. Ye hey, good to be here at Breakfast Club. I'm I'm honored right now. Congratulations. Thank you so much for the documentary on Video Music Box. Yeah, I watched it yesterday. I was I was hungover, so I was laying on the couch and I just turned it on. Oh good, thoroughly enjoyed it, enjoyed it to stay. It

was really great here in the Tri State area. I remember it was Video Music Box and it was new York hot tracks. Yes, yes, yeah, you're showing your age now with New York. I have cable, right if I wanted to see videos, the only place back then you really could see it if you caught one of those shows. Yeah thirty one, Yes, Town thirty one and you know, look, this has been something that we've been wanting to do.

I've been working on this project for ten years. So we went through a bunch of hoops to get to showtime and Massiphill and then Nas came in and said, I want to get this right. And I almost cried when he said that, because I was like, what are you talking about, bro? How do you go through all that footage? Yeah? Because you have a lot of footage. Now, if you don't know video music boxes, it's a video show that started off playing hip hop videos where nobody

else would. Right, it was on it wasn't on cable, so it was Channel thirty one, one of the high channels, and after school we'd all run home to go watch it. Yes, but you have footage of years. Man, how did you go through the footage to decide what you're gonna put in this documentary? Because the documentary was what ninety minutes. Ninety minutes. Yeah, it went to me for three hours and it would have been interesting, but you know, showtime

was like easy, take it, easy path. So but you know, we filled up that ninety minutes with so much stuff, and you know, so many interviews were left on the editing floor. It was difficult to really shave it all down to ninety minutes. But you know, you got the eighties and the nineties. I said, the nineties are super important. Let's make sure that we got the nineties and makes make sure we got them more of that than the eighties, because there's a lot more people around from the nineties,

so let's touch on that. And I liked the nineties era myself. About perspective, such a such a full circle moment for you to you didna this first video? Yes, and then for him to be executive producing this with with massive pill man, how did that feel? Um Naas came in and I looked at him and I said, you know, you know, this is something that I think you're going to enjoy. And originally he was the executive producer, he wasn't the director, and then he's somewhere in the

middle set. Now I'm going to direct this and I want to get this right, Ralph, and and I just was, you know, it was, you know, like I did. It ain't hard to tell. The first single Wolf of Illmatic. I directed that and this thing called it ePK, which was really the thing that really broke NAS in New York because it was like an interview with all the producers and all the people that were involved. I went

to his house hung out in Queensbridge. It was just like a little short documentary that I did not So now he's doing, you know, my thing, and I'm like bugging. I'm like wow, like this is the God. Yeah, it's one of those things. It's like, Yo, you never know who's gonna be who. That's why you should show everybody.

Everybody love key key. You know. We see people all the time that come up, and I always show people respect because I don't know, first of all, because I'm from the street and I understand respect the street, you know, because we got to go out there in these in these blocks all the time, you know, and I'm like, we don't want no problems out here, so I never

know who's who, and let's continue to respect him. And I think that people say, man, you be out here, you know, you on the av and you in this place, and I'm like, you don't got no bodyguards. They'd be looking around like where do I'm like, I'm good, what's up. I was gonna ask that you ever got into any any any problems because like with Fat Joe said under the documentary, yeah, you know, I'm on my block, and they say Video Music Box got a party down the block.

And you were in the Bronx, You went in Brooklyn, you went to la you went to you went to the hood, you on Jamaica Avenue, you you were in the hoods. Did you ever have a problem at all? Um, you know, we probably did. But my man Beasts, Yeah, you highlighted them in the day. Yeah, but Beast is not like my security. He was my friend, you know, like we weren't like you know people. He did security for all these other people like that. You know, he

became known for White Claugh and everything. And he's known. He's in the shot his movie and everybody knows him for shot is because he blows up the whole place is he's acting, right. But but Beast was official, you know, you know, he's official cat, you know, and and so we kept guys like that. They just hung around it. I tell you tell people this, A lot of not beasts, but a lot of the other guys that worked with

us all had come home from jail. They needed an opportunity, and I said, loo, I'm gonna give you'all opportunity to work with me, but you can't screw it up, you know. And most of those guys took it and ran with it and did the right thing. Now, Video Music Box was really just in the Tri State area, but people knew about it from all over. Why do you think it never ended up going national? Well, in the dock,

I said that. I went to MTV and there was this concert called The Fresh Fresh and I went there and I was like, I saw a mixture of everybody, so white people, black people, Asian people. I was said, Oh, this is happening right now. And I went to MTV and they were like, no, Middle America is not ready for this, Ralph, you know, it's not happening right now. And I'm like, there's a tour, it's going out. I got the videotapes, take a look at it. And they

were like, no, you don't. You need to pull out the tapes, It's okay, we already know what we're gonna do. And then two years later they did, you know, MTV raps and you know, and people thought, oh, you got me tight right now, And I wasn't tight then. I was gonna type the first time because I knew that it was happening already and they could have had to jump on it. So my whole career I've been a little bit early. But you know, whatever it was gonna

be was what it's gonna be. How did you get paid original from Video Music Box because there was no commercial We was doing three or four parties in the night, you know, and you know, just walking away with the money and going, okay, we're good. Yeah, you're explaining the

ductor you never actually made money off the show? No, no, because it was at first it was on a PBS channel and so it was non commercial, which was great really because it gave us the opportunity to educate where you know, you can't really do that in commercial world, Like we had no time for that. We got a round commercials, bro we ain't trying to help the community, you know, you know, we we wanted to do a lot of that and we did do that in the show.

So it was a balance of both and that's how we got through, um, you know, being on that station. We got more with Uncle Ralph, Ralph McDaniels when we come back. Of course, he's the creator a video music box. It's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the Gay, we are the Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Uncle Ralph Charlomagne.

You know, you got the video of bigging NAIs Freestyle and you know Jay and Big in the club all great, But what is your most prized piece of footage. M hmm. That's a good question. Um. I think for me, Um, it's probably Big and Jay when they did the My Birthday because that was really kind of like out of the blue and Jay came and was hosting it and they and they were both at the early stages of

their career. Was like the beginning of Rockefeller and the Big, you know, beginning of Big, you know at Bad Boy and and they just in the place was crowded. You know, this is when people got dressed up and they danced at clubs. Remember that, and you know, it was just one of those nights where you were like, I couldn't call that any better than that. That was That was

a beautiful night. You know. It was like everybody, your peers were there, you know, just you know, one of those one of those shows that was just it was perfect. But you didn't realize that those two individuals would become these mythical yeah, you know beings that they are now right right? You always say, you know, people always ask me what if they was alive? What would that be like? Between him and Jay and Nas? Like what would that

you know, what would that look like? And I don't know, you know, like I mean Nas, you know is you know, like I'm a fan of like you know, poets and you know, and Naz is that that kind of spiritual kind of thing. You know. That's how when he started doing my thing, I was like, this is a spiritual dude, man, Like I'm gonna be in a good place, you know. I see. I used. All I was saying to Nas was we gotta have that hip hop soul bro. No, you know, because I watched documentaries and I'm like, this

is mad generic right now? We noticed everybody if people notice all this information. We don't need to go through this. Let's get into different stories. And that's what I wanted to do with this, and he was like, got it, and he just started working and making sure that the direction took the right direction because we know, yeah, it was the Bronx, and we know there was dances, and we know graffiti, we know that already. We there's more

stories to us than that. You know, to me, the soul comes from your footage, yes, you know what I mean, Like your footage throughout gives it that warmth, makes it you know classic. Yeah, yeah, nah, I mean, and I'm I'm super happy that you know that we still have the footage because I thought about that too when you whenever you showed the room. I'm always think about what if he'd lost all of that the way really lost all that, right, Yeah, yeah, Rizz, you know, loss so

many of his masters. But you know we've been in the last One thing about the pandemic is it got me to be around and really work on digitizing all of this content. So I just was like, yo, I gotta get this done. And we started a nonprofit, the Video Music Box Collection, and we started raising money for it, and you know, and people started, you know, giving us a couple of dollars. We're still raising money for I

still need money for people, give me some money. But we that is what helped us get to the point where we have. You know, you can look at this content and be like, wow, it's pretty clear. You know thirty years ago. You know, you remember the DVD day all of that. You know, there's guy's out there that can have content that is super important. Man restore it, take care of it. Our history, hip hop history is important. Your history is Black history is important. But you know,

sometimes our stuff just gets pushed to the side. There's been so many masters and visuals that have been lost over the years, and it's like, wait a minute, somebody just threw that away right because they didn't think it was important. Like who did that? You know happens all the time. A Part two, Since you said you do have a lot of footage that you weren't even able to use for this one. Yeah, I told um showtime, like, yo, we could do two, three more, you know, and some

other stories that we got in the books. So that's on the plate for twenty twenty two. I would like to see artists talk about those moments more like I want to just hear nas go more in death on the Big thing because he said something and the doctor I didn't know. He was like, yo, him and Big with us to start a crew right called the good Fellas. And I was like, but then didn't him and Jay weren't they gonna start the commission? Big and Jay? So

I'm like, right, what what what did that have? Look like? You know, looking at all the footad you ever see people in the crowd, you'd be like, look at that at artist now they're a huge rapper, Look at this person. You ever see some of those? Yeah, you know. I had that conversation with Jake Cole because he went to Saint John's University and was a fan of Video Music Box when he was at Saint John And Jake Cole was like, man, you know, you know, I came to

your parties, I came to your events. I know who you are, you know, and this is a young guy. And I was like, I knew who was music. I was familiar with him, and I was like, yo, I appreciate you. Man. You're coming up the same thing with Asap Rocky. You know, He's like, yo, man, I gotta call my mom. I'm standing next to Ralph McDaniels right now, you know. And and asap Ferg I knew his dad,

you know. So I see these people in in in the in the at their young stage and now to watch like I did this interview with Ferg and I was like, yo, bro, you're doing some amazing thing. He's building furniture and cars and okay, you know, like that's what we did this for for that to happen. I saw JD. I saw j D and some footage with Udini on the duck. I used that footage all the time too. Yeah, I get paid every time I use your footage. Yes, they you. How do you want video

Music Box to be remembered? The whole idea of this you're watching Video Music Box film was to not be forgotten, because I could easily see how our history is forgotten and the importance of us just giving an artist a little bit of a break, a little bit of three minutes of a music video or a shout out is what cataposted all of these artists that we now know and love into stardom and you know, making a whole

bunch of money. And they're certain people whenever they call, you should always pick up that phone and say, yes, what do you need me for? And you're one of those people, Ralph McDaniel, So he's going to put that out there too. Yes, thank you so much, Thank you, Uncle Ralph, Uncle Ralph, we appreciate you for Make sure y'all go watch that documentary on Showtime. It's on Showtime on demand right now, you're watching Video Music Box. It's

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Some restrictions apply. It's topic time called eight hundred five eight five one oh five one to join it to the discussion with the Breakfast Club. Talk about it morning, everybody. Cj Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We're talking de crackerfie institution. Now we cratrification, de gratification off you saw my Shoulders Past Friday on Comedy Central to God's On as Truth for Me this past Friday at ten o'clock and comes on each each

and every Friday. We talked about decratrification. Let's let's play a clip of me explaining what decractrification is, decracrification, the fine BI, the gods on his dictionary ass, the act of ridding a system of its tired ass, racist ass, white supremacist boom now was denazification of perfect solution to fixing Germany. No, but not celebrating racist was a step in the right direction to actual healing. Well, Decratifying America be easy. Hell no, because America really really worships his

biggest and I mean, look, it can be done. It happened in Germany, like like I just explained, they got rid of, you know, pretty much all Nazi ideology from you know, everything from culture to education, the politics. America has never even taken a step to do that because we still celebrate racist We still celebrate biggests by having their names on buildings, by having highways named after them. And to me, you know, if you have you know, a name like jad Gohouva was still on the FBI building.

That means that his ideologies still live in that building, which which we're discussing this this Friday on the God Don his truth. By the way, all right, what what in the two shoes do y'all think need to be to crackified? All right, well, let's go to the phone lens. Hello, who's this Hi? This is a South Florida anonymous sis. I don't really want to create my name. I'm a local coach in the community and a friend of mine went to a university entered. Several other basketball players have

made statements against leonor Ryan University. Basically I tied you guys on instagrams. If you could check, there's release statements and a lawsuit against the university for basically kicking girls off the basketball program for speaking against racism. Wow. See that's insane. That's what I don't understand. So it's really intense and like my friends whole career, um was almost the shambles. I mean right now she has other offers and everything, but she's developing the story with her lawyers

and with eight other basketball girls. UM, so it's pretty big. It's on Instagram and my type. You guys, if you can look at what's the name of the place. It's L. E. N Old I R. Ryan University. Okay, we'll get up, all right, Mama, thank you? Hello? Who's this? Hey? Hey, hey, my name last fact. Yo. Yeah, no, not forget about my name, but yo, I'm from Harvard, Connecticut. Peters and blessing to everybody. Shout out, shout out, and be shot out from Charlotte man, shout out, but I'm burned. Crack

ass cracker company and heartbreak Connecticut. It's a it's a garbage remover company. But they trashed too. When I've seen I was the only black du working in differ like one of the saying, maya, i't gonna say, hongong gonna do. I was working there, but I got that I was the only black due working there. They never brought no other person into the office. All the drivers that they had driver to trash trucks, they was all black, of course, but they had nobody in the office. They fired me

over some dumbnants. On top of that. I heard this once, tho I've never seen them myself, but I heard a story about how one of the drivers went into the garage to get the truck one day boom news haying the right off their trucks. He complained about it. Jesus Christ, I'm playing about it. Two weeks later they doubled down there. They put a new was on both of the one on both of the Marys, and he couldn't seen none about it after that. Wow, So we need what's the

name of that place again? Trash? I need trash? Hello? Who is this? Hey? Good morning? This is where I y'all um, So I definitely agree with shall remain about that um pretty much. I think there's a Bamboo Willies on Pystacle of Beach, Florida that is very sole racers. It's like a back three place that sells like bushwhackers. That's what they're known for. Okay, and they need to You gotta de crack and fire that place. Okay, Yes, what happened? Okay, So this is what happened pretty much.

He was on the beach. You know my son who is half white, must I say, and I'm a bully black woman when he was going a super tantrum. So at that time I took him to the bathroom of Bamboo Willie said, oh and talk to him. Well, there were two white women beamon on the door, trying to make your seam like I was abusing my son, and I'm like, what are you doing? And they're like, this day, what you want to do? You need to let him out of there. I was like, um, you need to

mind your business. I'm talking to my son. I am the parent. Henter right. The bartender who was a white male, he runs in their bu guy like, oh, what's going on? Seeing them jumping all over me? Okay, so physically like they was trying to but they're not gonna have a tend to day, okay. And they was pretty much to show their white privilege and all this other stuff, and and pretty much got the bartender on their side. They're out there talking about serving drinks and all this. They're

intoxicated obviously. Well yeah, and my sister we walked up to ask them what the issue was in the bathroom. The supposed to security who was talking into them like that was their friends. It's like screaming, and my sister saye, get the fout of here. I'm gonna get the police. You don't get the fout of here. Wow. My nephew runs up. He was sixteen, wi black. He's like, nobody's gonna touch my mother. Do not touch my mother. My father is not here to defend her. You're not. Oh,

he runs gets the police. They're calling my nephew, boy talking to them, talking about don't look this way, boyd mercy so fast forwards they get the police. But the police more so exided with me because it was like he could tell they were intoxicated and they were jumping over me for no reason. He was like, I'm a parent too, so I appreciate that. So the Sheriff's Department of Pensacola Beach, Wow, but they definitely showed their white privilege.

Well that's why de gratification of this country has to happen. All right, Well, thank you, mama, thank you. Okay World one six zero YouTube, Lift me up, listen to my music. I appreciate y'all, love y'all right, thank you, And I really want people to understand that there's a difference between GWPs, good white people and crack ass crackers. And you know, good white people they don't like crackass crackers Eason, and they use their privilege to combat prejudice, and we thank

them for that. But it's gonna take all hands on deck to really implement decratrification in this country. But America definitely needs to be decractrified. I guess that's the role of the story. That is definitely the role of the story. And you got to watch Other Gods Honest truth every Friday night at ten pm on Comedy Central. Let's screaming on a paramount plus right now too, and it's on Comedy Central dot com. And you know, we got the

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All right, ain't you you? Rumors? On the way is the Breakfast Club. Aboard the Breakfast Club morning. Everybody is dj N Charlotte Nica. We are the Breakfast Club. He has a special guests joining us today. Indeed have Stacy Tisdale. Welcome back, Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Teas, pleasure to be here. Now. I'm gonna mess up your last name now right. No, I'm not saying it again. I got it right the first time. Yeah. The eye is like an e. Tell us how to make this money?

They say you help people make money, tell us how to wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. So okay, So my name is Terry. I teach people how to invest in stocks for income. And I'm so excited because I feel like people are ready for this now. Like twenty twenty, everybody realized their finances weren't quite in order. Then twenty twenty one they were like, Okay, let me start paying off my dad a little bit, maybe invest long term. And now twenty twenty two they're like, you

know what, I got a little bit of savings. I have a little bit like ready to invest, but I don't know what to do with it. So that's where I come in. What did you learn? First? What did you learn all of this? Because this is stuff that you know, like you know, Charlemagne and I will talking behind the scenes. They teach these to our kids now, but we didn't have that knowledge. So where did you learn? How did you get into the love of stocks and

making money? Honestly, I'm similar. I was born with single mother. We didn't know all this stuff either. But I went to a program in high school called Lead and it was where they took kids from all they all over the US that had good PSA T scores and then took us to business schools. So I went to Northwestern University and they took it to the Chicago Stock Exchange.

So my senior year I had learned at Northwestern. Then Google had their IPO, And when they had their IPO, I asked everybody asked my mom, I asked my teachers. Nobody knew how to invest, and the shares were eighty three dollars. IPO, imagine that man, Like now they're almost three thousand dollars. Like my whole life would have been different if we had known how to invest. So that got me excited. Then I went to MT and said, well, I'm gonna figure this out myself because nobody knew how

to do it. Went to M I did not till now, and we didn't have money either. So I'm so much more accessible now too, with all these apps that make it a lot easier for people to be able to trade to definitely, and they don't have cost now, so now you can get in without the high commission feed so you can trade for free. There's no barrier to injury now. And you've got a whole sea change here,

especially in our community. And that's what's so exciting. You have sixty percent of blacks under forty now invested in the stock market and the gap is closing now. Yeah, the investment gap closed in the millennial generation. That's really making history. So we're starting this whole invest in You campaign, which we'll talk more about take your first trade challenge because we have participation now, but now we have to add education to that and teach people how the market works.

And then we can really, particularly our community, cause US sea change if we just collect our forces and move them together. But I'm glad we're talking about this today because one, I've was the first black and the woman to report from the New York Stock Exchange way too long ago, and a lot of y'all new investors have never seen a bear market before, and we don't want you freaking out and pulling out in their bear market. So it's really important that we're having this conversation now.

That's why I'm excited too, because a lot of people were scared coming into the last couple of weeks of the first couple of weeks of January, coming into twenty twenty two, the marks have been down and if people who are invested in stocks or crypto, they're hurting, right,

And so now I think they're scared. And then like seven people, Black people are seven times more likely to pull out when it's bad, and you see all these articles that really scary, they'd be like bitcoin is crashing, you know, we don't know how long this is going to be around, and then some people doubt it, other people who have gotten rich off of it and been able to utilize it. So is it time to bube when you see everything falling? Yes? So, Warren Buffett says,

so one. A lot of black people only think that you can make money in the stock when they're going up, but you can actually make a lot of money when it's coming down. That's called short selling. Everybody says buy low, sell high. You can actually do that in the other like you can sell high first and then buy low second and still make the difference. Same thing. That's called short selling. Yesterday I made forty six thousand dollars because I was able to short sell. Well, we made money

going up and then on the way down. Before that, we made money going down. Could you walk us the way a short cell? Yes. Say you borrowed my cell phone and then you sold it to dj Envy for a thousand dollars. Now you go on eBay and you find the same phone for five hundred dollars. Well, you sold it for a thousand, you sold it high, but then you bought it back low for five hundred. You got to keep five hundred dollars. That makes sense, but all in one day you can do it over. It's

trading just the same way you can trade sat okay. Yeah, So like, for example, if a lot of people were in Tesla recently, if they had sold at twelve hundred dollars and then when it came back down to a thousand, they could make that difference and then you pay taxes right when you pay taxes. But it's the same as you pay taxes on any job. So like I paid myself a salary from my course. It took out right. So maybe we know our taxes up here are are crazy.

But let me see this. But you can reinvest back. If you reinvest and don't take it out of the stock market and put it somewhere else, then you don't have to pay taxes. Is that How does that work? Well, that's the same for real estate. Like if you you could buy a house sell as long as you put it back into another property, you ain't got to pay tax at that moment exactly. But with stocks you do still have to pay. You any realized gains, you're gonna

have to pay taxes. You pay tax on what you earned. But I think just to take a step back for

a second. There's a difference between trading and investing, and a lot of us we talk about the stock market, and I've always talked about the stock market is a great long term investment, which it is over time averaged about ten percent a year, which means like if you wouldn't invested one hundred dollars at the start of this pandemic and left it alone and not added anything else to it, it would have been one hundred and eighty dollars.

A general rule of thumb for investing is that any money that you will not need in five years or less should be in stocks, and you should look at it long term, and that's when you wanted to build like a comfortable retirement and create financial security. Trading, what Terry is talking about is very different, and that's where we need, you know, people like her and people with

her skills to walk us through that. She actually gives people a trading plan and a risk management plan, and I think that's why her course is sold over forty million dollars. You know, made over forty million dollars in sales. You of course made over forty million dollars in sales. It did I'm the number one investing course on teachable, well, number one course period out of hundreds of thousands of courses, and it's on investing how to invest for income? All right? Now,

keep a lack. We have more with Terry Egioma in Stacey Tisdale, So don't hold it's the breakfast Club, go more forty. Everybody is DJ Envy Edge Lee Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Terry Egioma in Stacy Tisdale, Charlomagne, let me ask you a rich as a question, right, um for the average listener that's listening right now, all audience, and they want

to invest, right. I think I read a study with like over fifty percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck? How do they do that? So I think that there's prerequisite to when you start investing versus trading. Okay, I think as a as an investor, So like I saw you all had uyl and Market Mondays and Wall Street trappers, love all of them when you're and they

teach long term investing. When you're investing, you can invest with any amount, like if you have hundred dollars, Hey go buy so OXL or AMD whatever educational purposes only not recommending stuff. But but if you're a trader, you're going to have to try to make a percentage of the cash you have. So I try to teach people to make one percent of their cash amount. So I think you do need about two thousand dollars in your account. That's why I said, now in twenty twenty two, I

feel like people are ready. I feel like they've done the long term investing and now they have some money saved up and they want to make that work versus just putting it in a savings account. So then it's like, okay, well, how do I pay for the things that I want versus the things that I just have to settle for? So, for example, how do you pay for I saw y'all had change for change? How do you pay for your

rent going up because of inflation? How do you pay for A guy had a hurricane, there was a hurricane item, you guys gave him money? Well, how do you pay for emergencies or daycare? I saw one of the girls, she had like eighteen hundred dollars she was paying for daycare, Like, how do you trade the money you have to pay

for those things. So I do think it takes. You have to start with money at least two thousand in your account, and then your goal as a trader it's going to be to make one percent of that on a regular basis. I'm glad you said that. A lot of people just think you can. I don't know what they think, but you gotta have money to even do these things for trading, For investing, I mean an there's

apps and out that you can invest long term. When it comes to trading, Like you're hearing all these stories of people hearing like get rid of quick the whole game stop thing, and they're doing things like taking out credit card debt and spending their whole life savings to try to get in on this trading thing. One, you should never do it without an education or a guide, and also never trade more money than you could afford to lose. But it's like it's it is like gambling,

So you should talk about how to make it not gambling. Yeah, there are ways to protect your risk, but a lot of people just don't know about them. Yeah, So a big part of my trade and travel class is risk management. First step is. I'm a technical analysis trader, so I'm not just betting on something or not even use the word bet, but investing. It's not let's go right. My grandmama said at the barbershop, you know, it's like no, it's actually looking at healthy company. So first, that's one

big part of it, what companies are investing in. Then we have to look at reward to risk race shows. So I'm looking at charts. I am a technical analysis trader. I hear a lot of people say like, oh, charts are too hard. I don't look at that. But if you want to have high probability, I know. I'm in my tea girl like we like, did y'all ever see the movie twenty one? It was about in my tea group that went in card Counted and then in Vegas. But like, one of the things he says is he's like,

we don't gamble. We just take really high probability calculated moves. And that's what we're doing with charts. That's how you get more high probability calculated trades. So looking at your reward to risk in advance, you can actually calculate on a chart. When I get into this trade, the probability that I do well is three times my reward is

three times my risk. Then the other part of it is there's something called a stop loss, like being able to put in um if it drops to a certain Yes, and that says, and I know you have an investing club, so you know this. But if it drops to a certain place, you can get out of the trade. I think a lot of people are getting into stuff with no exit strategy right and then, and it's an automatic thing too, like once it gets to this certain point, it'll pull out. Yeah, it'll let you know to pull out.

You have that stop loss in in advance. You can calculate how much you're willing to lose. Trade and travel came from you traveling and trading. So can you talk about that? Yes, I was in education. My last job before I quit was assistant principle of elementary school. But I was miserable. But anyway, I decided that my ex strategy would be investing because I had learned about it in college. I had learned about it in high school. Yeah, and all I needed was three hundred dollars a day

to replace my income. And you started with that's what's really important when we're talking about trading. She had a goal. Okay, I need to earn three hundred dollars a day, so that's how much she was going to risk. But also one of the things that so touching about you is you also wanted to trade because to cover your parents' medical costs. Yeah, well, let me finish this because I

want to tell you about the trade and travel. Like I was finally able to quit my job and start traveling around the world, and people started asking me, well, how are you affording it? And it was I was trading stocks. I would trade to pay for the hotel room. I would trade. Okay, my flight is three hundred or actually, like, let's say I want to go to Greece. I calculated all this on Instagram, Like if y'all scroll scroll way down on Terry Geoma, Like, the trip to Greece was

thirty five hundred dollars, So I traded to get there. Wow, I said, okay, this is how much the hotel room is. If I can make, you know, four hundred dollars to pay for the hotel, now I'm gonna I'm gonna want to eat when I get there, so I'm up trade to pay for the food, and that's how I traveled, and I was gone. I went to South Korea, Thailand for a month, Vietnam for a month, Australia, but all that time just trading what I needed to pay for

the travel. And now people ask me to teach them, and now I'm teaching them how do you trade for what you want? I love the fact that you didn't stay in a job that you hated, because what happens is your growth resentment, and you was you was with kids, so you'd have been projecting all of that on those kids. So I really, I really respect that part of this story. Thank you. And I feel like I was because I remember this one little I had mainly black, black and brown,

this one little Huspanic girl, she was cutest. One day, she must have seen me crying in the bathroom. She came and gave me this flower that she had made in class, and she just came in the biggest hug. I know they saw it. Well hopefully I was asking it good enough. But yeah, that's why you're a good trader, you exactly, And honestly, those skills helped you develop a course as well. You know what the biggest things that helped me develop the course were my mistakes when I

first quit my job and was traveling full time. I'm not gonna pretend like it went well all the time. Like when I first quit, I had my biggest loss ever. I invested in Pandora, and Pandora stock just went straight down. But at the time, everybody says invest with what you know, and I was. It was on my phone and Pandora was going inside of the TV. And this is like Pandora stock it is not around anymore because they sold to Serious X him. So you can do this right.

But like every like, I woke up overnight I had traded earnings thinking I was gonna be rich the next today. Woke up the next day and I had lost twenty six thousand in a day. And for an educator like I didn't have a ton of money. So I was crying thinking I had to go back to work. And the thing was, I realized all the things I had done wrong. My quantity size was too high. This is back to risk management quantity size. I had eight thousand shares and the thing was, I thought I was gonna

be reached the next day. So eight thousand nine if I make a dollar I got no, but I lost, and so overnight it was down three dollars. I'm down twenty four thousand. So that first lesson is don't do what you can afford to lose, yes, and watch your quantity size in the course, actually have a formula. How do you calculate your quantity size? Then another thing that I did wrong was not having to stop loss. It

fell and I didn't have any protection. Then I didn't have a plan of okay when I didn't even have a target in mind. So once it started falling, I just flipped out. I called my mom, was like, I'm gonna having to get a job again, and and I just let it go and it kept falling. That's right. That's why you need a trading plan so that you're not managed by your guts and emotion. But you know the steps. The biggest money hopefully more will come another day.

But the biggest money flow I had in my life was when I worked at a technology firm and they gave us stock options. I remember, overnight I was like a millionaire on paper and these options went to whatever but I and I wasn't familiar with them, so I had no plan in place and started dropping and dropping, and you just get that mentality, Oh it'll go back up, Oh it'll do whatever went to nothing. There's a lot of people that are that's that's happening to them right now,

especially with crypto and even some stocks. They've they've been told so long to just buy and hold, which is over time, a good strategy. But what what do you do for your life right now? You're rich on paper, but you're broken your real life. And that's why trading is important because we can help you to fund things in your life right now while the other things are still working. All right, Now, keep a lack. We have more with Terry Egioma and Stacy Tisdale, So don't move.

It's to breakfast Club morning. Everybody's DJ Envy and Jela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Terry Egioma and Stacy Tisdale. Now, how much is your course? How much is the lesson? It's five thousand? Have a VP eight week program that's five thousand, but you can get in for half of that at twenty five and we have payment plans. I saw something and correct me if I'm wrong. You made over sixteen

thousand people millionaires. That just no, all together, we've all those sixteen thousand people in the course are making millions, and they actually like show us screenshots of how they're realized profit, and they're like showing us. So we have this thousand dollars in a day club. If they make over a thousand dollars in a day, they send us their screenshots, send us their trade, and then we send

them a plaque. So we know that we've had over sixteen hundred in that club that we've sent plaques to, and many more than just haven't sent in the screen shots. So we know if you got even a thousand people making a thousand dollars in a day, then that's a million dollars that we can generate in a day from trade and traveling. Now, for people who are like this is expensive, can you explain why it's worthwhile? Because the classes that I took were thirty thousand dollars, so the

actual investing knowledge is actually really expensive. This is a discount to that. So when you look at the like what other classes are out there, and some people will say, well what about YouTube? Migraining told me sometimes you have to pay for convenience, Like, yes, you can go to YouTube, but it might take you a lot of time. You may not know what exactly you need. You get in too much information yet, what's true, what's not? So this

is all into one class. I've already detailed out what you need in terms of how do you pick the right company, what's the risk management? How do you do charting? How do you do short sellings? Make money on the way down? How do you do gaps and globecks? How do you trade options? Like everything's in there. It's actually not much when you look at the their courses out there and then think about how much you can actually make. Right, A lot of the students within a couple pay for

themselves back. Yeah, That's why I asked you about the sixteen dollars because those success stories are important because people are here that number and be like, well, she made forty million dollars. Who was she made rich? She's just hustling. Yeah, well, and several of them have become millionaires. I do know some that I have made millions, but I just don't I don't want to say like, I don't want to say, oh, yeah,

I made a whole bunch of millionaires. No, I've taught a lot of people how to make three hundred dollars in a day, two hundred dollars in a day, pay for which good money. It's about those goals and you don't have to do that way too. You can't take the course and not do the work. Goals and freedom, And I know when you first started trading, one of your goals was that you're like, your mother couldn't afford a anesthesia? Oh yeah, back to work, yes, for dignity.

So um, anybody here had to ever do a like really expensive medical thing, like what operation? Pay for an operation? My mom was her dental work. She had to get like all your teeth taken out, and it was really expensive. I don't work. Yeah yeah, most insurance only covered I think like maybe a thousand dollars for clearing for root canal. Or if you pay for somebody's cosmetic it cost a last day that's out. The poet either what cosmetic? And just like she was in pain, but the doctor had

told her that they were gonna do the surgery without anesthesia. Yeah, no way, but I thought she couldn't afford it. They were like, oh, well, you know anasc is gonna cost you like an extra five hundred dollars. The nurse was basically telling my mom like, well, you can't get this surgery because you can't afford it. And my mom, because I had actually given her money for her medical bills, was able to say, no, that's fine. I'm gonna get all four of them done at one time. And she

told me, Terry. She called me something else, but she told me, Terry, money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you dignity. I was able to be in that chair and speak up for myself because I could afford the surgery. How time consuming is it to trade? It depends what your goal is. So if your goal is to make two hundred dollars in the day and your account size is okay, you might be done in

fifteen minutes. But I do say people should, especially in the beginning, you should budget at least four hours a day. If you can't do that, like as you start getting better and better, it'll go down. Like some people they'll do one hour in the beginning of the market and they'll trade that, or they'll trade that last hour of the market. I do think, like when I was an educator.

I would look at my phone. In the beginning of the day, I'd go do whatever I had to do as a principle, come back check it at because you can trade in your phone. I would check it at lunchtime that didn't take long. And then at the end of the day at night before I went to bed, that's where I would do my real homework of looking at the stocks, looking at the news, looking at the charts, and then i'd be ready for the next day. Right, so when they open in the morning, you know what

you want? Yep. So what's the call to action? I look here for a call to action today, I'm going to teach people how to actually get invested in take the first trade, okay, because I feel like there's a lot of people that are just scared and they haven't done it yet, and they're looking for like, Okay, I need somebody to like a teacher, to like walk me

through step step. So we're gonna do a five day challenge and for five days live, I'm gonna be with the ladies and we're gonna like teach people, Okay, how do you open your account, how do you place the trade, how do you exit the trade? And this is so you can get the income, but so that when Google comes by the next person they won't miss it like

I did. They'll know how to actually get in and out. Yeah, the actual challenge, it starts January thirty first, and you can go to take your first Trade dot Com and start signing up now. And it's a five day challenge. And like Terry said, we're gonna the first day, you're gonna learn how to open up an account. Then we're gonna teach you a little bit about the markets. On the second day, then you're gonna learn how to buy a stock, learn a little bit more, and on the

fifth day you're actually gonna sell a stock. And does it cost anything to sign up for the five day challenge? It actually does. It costs fifty five dollars Okay, yeah, super super low. But we wanted to make sure that people did do some investment because you you actually are more dedicated when you pay something then if you don't do They said that about online dating too. They definitely give me your website again so people can get in

touch with you and maybe they want the full course. Yeah, if you want the whole trade and travel course, go to Trade and travel dot com Trade. But if you want to get started with this five day challenge, which I'm doing too. By the way, I'm more of a long time investor, so I haven't done trading. I think you're gonna love it. And you don't have to have

all of your money in one or the other. You can do both, right, Yeah, So I want to be diverted out and then you can learn how to make some income with a little bit of it, and as you become a better trader, then you can decide to move more there. What's the website again? Take your first trade dot com and if you want to see more about me. Yeah, everything is on trade and Travel, So YouTube Trade and Travel Instagram. It's Trade t r a

d and all spilled out travel on Instagram too. I actually put I made a million dollars in a day, so I put up the screen shout of that too, so they can see how you do that. All right, I'm in. So you guys gonna take your first trade challenge? I am. And you said we should have at least two thousand dollars, right, I got somebody who doesn't for me?

You know what? You know what it is. I'll be honest with you, Right, I always feel like I go to professionals to do something, so I hire people to do certain things, right, because I can't watch it, like I got too many things. So I hire people to look at my stocks. I hire people look at real estate. I hire people to do different things because I don't have the time. But that's more of an investing than at trading. This is this is new year, right, it's

all making money. Yeah. All the whole thing about the stock market is, you know, do your long term investing and leave the trading for the professionals. But everything changed, as you know, trading became more mainstream, and technology changed everything, and people are trading now, and now what they have to do is do it with some education, do it

with some guidance. And that's why wouldn't people hear things like five thousand dollars for a course and think of it as school you're actually learning because there's so many people like get people like that's the reason why we even started doing the real estate seminars, because people with charging people so much money but not teaching them stuff, you know, I mean, and then saying okay, after you get to this point, you need another thousand dollars for

this and another, And that's why we started teaching people how to do real estate the way that we do it, and we're not we charged ninety nine dollars and we're really only charging for the venue. And it's a great what you're doing with real estate investing. I know, you get a lot of people that charge people a lot of money and don't really get them. Give them anybody, and I'm sure people come to you and be like, I went to this person's course and I learned nothing.

And that makes me happy so much when they say they come they go to another person's course and learn nothing, and then they come to your course and be like, I learned so much. Yes, that's why I'm excited that I have so many students that I have, because it's word of mouth. Terry is just such an example of what investing can do. She's living her best life and she's paying it forward. She doesn't have to do this. We had a nice conversation the other day. I was

asking her why is she doing this? So I was looking at this forty million dollars house that she's renting in Puerto Rico, and she's building another one and I'm like, why are you still doing this? And she was like, this is my fun. Yeah, this is my ministry. I want to set got to preach your here. Oh I feel like this is my minister from my ministry who I can actually help. Leave us on a prayer. Want me pray for real absolutely on the trade on your

heart well real quick, Dear Heavenly Father. I just pray for everybody who is listening under the sound of my voice. Lord God, Please, Lord, just continue to bless them with wisdom, bless them with understanding, Lord, and then just your your worst is that you will be everything that we need. You will supply everything that we need to Lord. I just ask at everybody lean on you, and then continue

to bless them of financially, health, security, just everything. In Jesus name, we dearly pray, Amen, Amen, Amen, Terry and Gia my stay tistdam my partner in wealth. Wednesday, we're getting ready to start this trading and make this schmny. All right, it's the breakfast club. Good morning. It's gonna be a dunstan because right now you want some real duty.

It's time for donkey of the day. So if we ever feel I need to be a donkey man with the heat becomes donkey of the day to practice club bitches. Steel bad, I really steel bad. I feel I feel bad. We were talking about the quick game behind the scenes, and we all finished it. We didn't realize our god, Nick didn't finish it. I didn't know he didn't finish it. He walked out earlier, saying that, Okay, you can talk about school game when I lead a room, but I

definitely already spoiled it. That's right, anyway, donk Ye. The day goes to a forty three year old man named Kevin William t Okay. Kevin is from the Michigan area, and I swear in my old age, I just be feeling sorry for people. I'm serious. I used to come in here and just want to give people to credit they deserve for being stupid. But when I hear certain stories like this one in the day, I feel bad for Kevin because clearly, clearly something is wrong. All right.

We have to recognize when mentally someone is not what they need to be. And I have empathy for those people. I just do because I think something that just out of their control. Some things are above him, and I feel I truly feel like this is one of those situations. Now, with that said, Kevin is a home invader. Okay, if you wake up in the middle of the night and a stranger is in your house, does it matter what his or her mental or emotional state is, they probably

getting shot. Okay, well, at least in my house. All right now, I will send him in his family healing energy after the fact. But hey, that person made a choice to break it into my house. I don't have time to figure out if you know, if they're mentally unwell. Now, that has nothing to do with the story I'm about to tell you, Because Kevin broke into someone's house and he lived to tell about it. In fact, he didn't just live to tell about it. He lived to ask

the police for help. Uncle Shla, Brother Lenard. What are you talking about? He lived to ask the police for help after breaking into someone's house. Well, let's go to news net for the report, please. A Michigan State Police trooper from the Catalog Post respondent to a breaking and entering complaint at a home on West Ridge Drive in Williamsburg. Homeowner reported she was watching television in the living room

when she saw a man enter the room. She originally thought it was her husband, However, when she realized it wasn't, she screamed. Her husband came downstairs and told the man to leave. The trooper searched the area and located the suspect, forty three year old Kevin William Tegue from Williamsburg, in the backyard of his parents home nearby. When the trooper attempted to speak with Tigue, he fled into the woods. Later that evening, Tegue called nine one one to report

he was lost. When troopers arrived, Tigue flagged them down, and he was taken into custody and lodged in the Grand Traverse County jail. Tigue was arraigned for one count breaking and entering without permission and one count resisting and obstructing police. He was given a one thousand dollars bond and his next scheduled court appearances on October twenty sixth. There's a phrase God watches over babies and fools babies.

Maybe it's possible God is in the babysitter per se, but he will give the mother the scrimp to hold it down. But watches over, not watches. It's a difference, all right. The fool's part. I don't know about that, because Kevin, I don't know if that was God watching over him or just the luck of the draw. Okay, it's great Kevin didn't get shot in these people's house.

But why would God be involved in this? Why would God have sent this fool, all right to do the breaking into someone's house and then have him run off into the woods and get lost. And then this man felt like he could just call the police because he was lost, never mind the fact he just committed a whole crime, never mind the fact he was in the woods hiding because of a crime he just committed. I'm

gonna call the police and tell them I'm lost. You don't think they're gonna have questions on why you just randomly in the woods at this time of night. What you're gonna tell them? You're camping? Huh, you're hunting? Just

taking a walk, y'all? Do realize narcissism is considered a mental disorder, correct, Because there's no way you commit a crime and didn't think you are able to call the police because you're lost if you're not a narcissist, all right, I honestly, I can't even continue this story until we play a game of guess what race it? Maybe this

will give us a better understanding of this situation. Okay, Kevin william T, forty three years old, broke into someone's house, lived to tell about it, fled into the woods, then had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to call nine one one to report that he was lost. Angela, yee, guess what races? Well, I'm gonna have to say he is Caucasian. What makes you say Caucasian? Angela, Well, you know we don't call nine one one like that. And then he

probably said I didn't know you couldn't do that. In the words of Dave Chappelle, all right, Kevin william T, forty three years old, broke into someone's house and fled into the woods, then called nine one one to report that he was lost. DJ nv Rashawn, Yes, what right, I'm destroyed on this one. Why are you destroyed? All right? Because it's I'm in the middle, right, I'm gonna tell

you why. Right at first Dominican, No, I'm not Dominican and black, but I was thinking black at first, because I can see a black person getting stuck in the woods and then hearing animals and being like nah adadam cool and I would want to get out. Okay, but if we did something illegal, we just we just tried set in the woods, sing out with the bear, stugging out with them bears because we ain't calling no poet

these bears and being jail. Yes, I gotta go with Caucasian. Okay, Well I want angel and DJ and VI didn't know that you bofar right, Kevin william T gets our Caucasian. He had to call gasity, the unmitigated white privileged gall to break into someone's house, running to the woods, getting lost and then call the police to help. And this bond is only a thousand dollars for breaking in and entering without permission and resisting in obscructing police. And he

resisted in obscructed police without getting shot. Well, if you just said that, I definitely I know I didn't want to give that one away. Please give Kevin william Tu the biggest he haw. A matter of fact, mccathy Griffin, get some of that. Please give this giant jar of male the biggest he had handle heaw he haw. That is way too much, Dan man as there you go. The breakfast Club Morning. Everybody's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy, we are the Breakfast Club. We got a

special guest in the building. I don't know if we call him a young legend or just a legend, you know what I mean. He's a staple in this game with a young face. Marlon Wayne is here. What's up? My brother? Never not working? You know what I would have been up, Damn good slave. I would I'm like, I got all this cotton. I got it. They would have gave me a raise. And then you came in here exhausted, like literally like you sat down and he

was like bones hurt man has soldiers shoulders order. Three weeks three weeks ago, I've just been you know, because from doing stand up so much, I got off by this birth side it's and tend to night it's and a tar on their shoulder. So I was doing that stand up doing nine ten shows a week, and that whears it out. So I just got to reconstructed. I'm ready. I'm back on that stage, and I'm actually gonna be in New York this weekend at the Gotham Country Club

just working out. You might have to get one of those mics that just attached on or something like that. Why Janet Jackson headset J Yeah, but I don't want both hands free. I like the microphone. It's a prop and about it makes it's a club. You can knock somebody but a head with it. It could be a you can make it whatever, you know what I mean. So I like having the mic because that's the beauty of imagery. Like you have a mic, you have a light, you have a stool. Give me some drunk people, I

can make him laugh. Anywhere you think stand up as a lost art, No, I think it's the found art. I think it's the only place you're gonna be safe to say what you feel. Everybody don't need a stage. You don't need a stage where they CANCELA good. I don't think you get on stage no more either. I think I think you just got you can't you just can't on stage. Yeah, you get on stage because that's what they come to see you. If people can't you for a joke, those people that can't you ain't give

about you in the first place. People that love you, they come for the craziest that you say. They want you to say that. Anybody else is scared to say. So. You know, I think it's a loss, but a found art from I love. I love stand up as much as I'm doing this drama stuff, and I do my movies and my TV show stand up. You know that that's my patch and that's my freedom. Every weekend, I just get to express and talk and find it, you know.

And I've been doing this so long now. I just got a special dropping yeah on nineteenth UM on HBO, Max called you know what it is? And then I already got a brand new two three hours on right now, Well, let's talk about it because we did get an advanced screener, so you know I had a chance to watch it. You did address your cheating scandal. Oh yeah, that happened. Yeah, that happened. You would right into making it hot water

in the cheat, Yes, I did. Yeah, But I guess that's something that you kind of have to do, right, like you don't have to a lot of people, not too though, because people think about it. And then it also is like you said, you can make anything funny, Well it's not. Well, that's part of my healing process. So you know, as much as it may before I could make anything funny to me, that's right. But honestly, um, you know, I'm glad that God gave me a microphone

because I get to talk about my truth. And as long as you're talking about your truth, you can't hurt or offend others. You know. The person that was in it with you, you know, we laugh about it. And just like my my best friend, my rider die, I love that woman to death. Now we don't have sex, but still she got the card, she got the house, her house better than mine. I'd be jealous. And we never went to court to talk about those kinds of things. That's my family. I love it. I love it for life.

But yeah, one thing that people have to think about too when something like that happens. What about the kids? What do the kids have to say to you when you come home because they see everything online? You know, because the kids feel for mommy, you know, because we make stupid excuses. First thing I said, and I knew I was on the boother woman, but you cant see sick I would have. I was like, I said, this was true. I said, I know this pictures with one girl,

but there was like seven others. I should have seen it that was happening down below. But it was funny to me and I was able to make her laugh at the time. But I felt like, man, it's like, you know, there's no um, there's no no amount of sorries you can say except for you are sorry. Yeah, I'm a sorry as my bad. And that's something that you're gonna regret for the rest of your life. You think your success took a shot at you because you're so famous that they're taking pictures that you want to

boat na. Actually that was the first time I felt successful. I'm like, it wasn't a picture either because and it wasn't like a cool picture with I had floaties. I want to swim that well, I had those little you never say float had one of them little boys. And that's what happens when you're famous, when you fly PA, wasn't that famous? Just now getting famous famous you don't have to sitcom on network TV, you know, like, come on, bro,

all this Netflix stuff come on. But still all that was like building up to you know, this new this is this is what my best years are ahead of me. I always say, first thirty was learning and now these next thirty is executing. You know, I still got a young face you have Google alerts for yourself. Yeah, I got Google alerts. I say dumb all the time. So if they gonna cancel me, I want to know when they're gonna cancel me. Can you don't know what's going on.

I don't want to know what's going on? Know what you mean? I'm canceling. Ain't your brothday? That's how you know something happened when you wake up in the morn. I need to know. I didn't know. I call my brothers Keenan show. Can y'all do a press conference for me? Somebody ken't even know what that is? No, Keenan David don't even deal with Twitter. They don't deal with Kenan. Tell you they tried cancel Lin. Can't cancel me? Now

cancel myself, don't. I don't need to be on that networks. Keenan. Funny, like my brothers don't subscribe. That's why they don't tweet, they don't Instagram, they don't do all that because they're just like why I put yourself out there to be a target. I don't get paid the post pictures. I get paid the movies. And that's true, Like you know, so if I'm gonna getting canceled. Let it be doing, you know, on the stage, because I did. I'm getting paid to do the show. That's my last check. Make

it a good one, all right. We got more with Marlon Wayne's when we come back, don't Move. It's the Breakfast Club, Good morning morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne the guy we are to Breakfast Club were still kicking with Marlon Wayne's did you take anything out of this special? Because there were some edgy things on there where even I was like, oh, this is one joke that I really loved that took out. I didn't want to,

but as Maxell's like, listen, they were like, just that one. Okay, you want to stand up to do it? Are you? You can't get cancer if you're standing up now, you guys, if you're sitting down not the views of the Breakfast Clube Juice inspired this joke, and eds Water and Charlemagne's book. Actually I got out of Charlemagne's third book, all right. So it was it was because I talked about my my daughter. I want to talk about her being gay now.

Acceptance right and our love us accept and you know, at the end of the day, the message is always about love and acceptance. That's my child. And I try to speak to fathers out there who are in especially old school point of views, like, yo, I'm not accepting my kids in that life and it's like, at the

end of the day's still your kid. And I talked about how I went to per phone on to high school and to this day, I still have gay friends and I still, you know, hang out with my gay friends and when you know, and that's why I consulted it. When when it was time for me to find figure out like what to do with my daughter, I sat my gay friend down and I asked him, you know,

what do you do? And he goes, well, and he'd made this noise, but his method was like and I was like, hey, you just pull off and imagine they answered my question because he made that noise that I can't make it. And then the audience laughs and I said, that's not the worst thing I said to him. I said, listen, we gave people a great sense of humans. I actually said something darker to him, but I'm not going to tell people what it was because I felt like to

get upset. And then the audience egged me on it's like tell looks, tell luck, tell look all right, And I said all right, and I y'all, nothing's gonna judge me. No, you this. You're a comedian, all right. So then I said, I said, oh, think no. Because I said, I said, hey, I forgot, it's so funny. They're like, oh my god, they're looking at here like, no, don't do it. They are, and I said, he goes. My gay friend was like,

I was born this way. And then I said, I said, oh really, I said, but then I said what who who? So what? And then it's a little like the baby that kind of joke, and the audience like laughed. They lost it and I got a big huge round of applause just because I've said that, because they didn't think I was gonna go there, and I'm like and they was like, yo, that's dope, and they laughed. It was

one of my favorite jokes. But I was just like, I don't know how mothers over the age of white mothers over forty seven would enjoy that, and for my white female audience over forty seven, I chose to take that joke out. I can see the think pieces, Marlon Wayne, They're not funny there's nothing funny about that, Marlin. I didn't just do the little baby. I did the whole la laba, and it just gets more and more uncomfortable and funnier, and it's funny. I can see the pieces

right now. But here's the thing. Ready, there's funny and everything. Thing. I don't care what topic it is. It's funny and everything. Now it may take you time to find it, but it's funny and everything. You can't tell somebody how to

feel about what they went through. That's their therapy is going, Oh, you know, it's funny about this, And that's the beauty of comedy is no matter what we decide to talk about, if as long as you're talking about your truth, as long as you're talking about a perspective that um isn't you're trying to bash, but you're trying to enlighten. I

think you can talk about anything. Every time. Every time I tell the story about how I got molested at eight by my cousin's ex wife, and I always say, you know, I made her stop because she had a Jerry Crow and I didn't like her Jerry craw. You see what I'm saying. I've been telling every time after same reaction every single time. She's like, I've read it too many times already, but it's funny every time. How many times? But it's a true stories. I wouldn't do.

I would be the same winning trying to go down to the way Jay Carl smells. It's like, that's how I felt when I was eight. I was like, I don't like the kids on my hands. It's everywhere. Your mom can tell who it was. It was your aunt now because look at your l all that glitzerings on lat that's what that is. I know it was Loreta. Now you know what's gonna cancel you after this? People with auty belly buttons. I canceled them years ago. You gotta see this fest I grew up, wheld you grow

up South Carolina. Monk's going to South Carolina? Would you say, okay? So you know I'm talking about it's the auty belly button kids. They just badass and kids. It was always ben Do with the Audi belly button. That was the bully in the hood. Their shirt on anything they never had, they always had and they were buff at four years old. And so I talk about Audi belly button people and how they're terrible human human being. So Audi belly button people, please,

um watch this. It's no offense to you. It's more offense to your belly button and how you raise. But the funny part is somebody can write and think peace about that too. Marlon Wayne thinks people belly buttons on the devil, Like, what can you fix that? If you have an Audi, like get serious? Black people try they put a quarter you ever seen somebody was quarter button or Nickel Brothers trying to fix it. Just sleep the sleeping on his stomach. Maybe I don't know where it

comes from, but it always scared me. And so in my special, I just I talk about my fears and that's one of them. Listen what I like about the specials. It starts weird, just off the cuff, so that's weird, and then it just keeps going and then it gets like okay. Then you after the first eight minutes you enter the special and you realize that, oh, I'm on a journey, and you know, I get to talk about my life, my truth, you know, my cups and and and and poke fun at it. It was crazy. I'm

just just I'm just realizing. I don't think you've been here in two years August, maybe you twenty nineteen. I'm gonna make views like I'm making invY one. This tastes just like water. I got christ It's a little old baby, all right. We got more with Marlon Wayne when we come back, don't move. It's the Breakfast Club, The Morning the Breakfast Club, do power one, O five one, the Breakfast Club. Your morning's will never be the same morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We

are the Breakfast Club. We're still kicking with Marlon Wayne's yet you see now Robin has come out as as bisexual, and I see a lot of people weighing in on when did that happened? Just came? That just happened as soon as they put my character. Why didn't put this on the on the brother white? Robin is now black? Um, I didn't know that. I feel like, you know, with the way the world is at this point, everybody needs

some representation. Everybody should have some type of hero and who cares like I mean, I think it's dope that you know, it progresses and that he goes the way everyonets if that's what he wants to be that's what I look. My daughter needs a superhero. So hey, congrat gay Robbie. My daughter would love that. She'd be like yes, Robin, Yes. So for everybody like I was beautiful. Yet another reason why Living Color should get more credit because everybody was

represented on in Living Color, everybody. It was a diverse cast, and every character y'all portrayed was I mean, handicap people, gay people like. They say that in Living Color couldn't exist. To there, I disagree. I don't think the world would be as sensitive if in Living Color did exist. If we did, people go, you can't do a White Chicks too? Sure we could. I think White Chicks too would actually

be better given this climate than it was. It would be more successful than it was because people are looking for people to just can say it. Everybody's so scared to just say I'm gonna say it, and it's oh, I've always said it, but I always say with kids gloves because our intention is never to dismantle or hurt people. Our intention is to bring people together with a laugh.

That's why I love about my shows. When I do stand up, I have a point of view over here, and somebody else has a point of view over there. But if I get them all to laugh, then we're agreeing about something. I would argue that if we laugh with each other and at each other, we all normalize each other, regardless of what it is. Growing up, that's all we did with snap on each other. Black people, white people, Portovican people, Dominicans and Porto Ricans who go

at it, And that's what we did. Who's to say you can't say this. Sometimes you make your best friends by talking about people. So we got cool talking about each other. I was like, it was motivation. When Marlin told me I piqued that life, I said, I really got to be more myself. He told me, I piqued that life. Was like, let's say that. I was trying to get nuclear. Yeah, behind you, I'm writing this, I'm gonna do my podcast that pick that like, and I'm living at home with my mom right now because I

got fire from Wendy. What wow, that's very effective that like wow, Like I might as well go for it. He was talking about like for no reason, this is just like why do you like this answer? And then trauma really yeah, hell yeah hurt person. Once. I was a little mad at you because you've made my you and Wendy and my sister, and my sister Kim is the sweetest, sweetest, most intelligent, the diagram of what a great black woman should be. And they went at my sister.

I was like, nah, I went about them with me. I thought I went at Sean. No, you went at Kim, and that's why Sean got mad. You went at afterwards, and Sean's like, that's my sister. Sean, we new York. That was that felt like, all right, Kim, I'm up. You get windy that yeah. But so that when we had to twitter being that's what I was like, but sing Kim O love, I sincerely apologize. I was a different person. Thank you man. I absolutely absolutely a woman

deserve that. I know. We're also here to talk about respect. We had yes because I read Franklin biopick first and foremost. Jennifer Hudson is amazing in this movie. When you see when you see this woman's word, I couldn't believe that I was watching this woman do this like and it wasn't like she was trying. She had no fear she

would come to word. She's singing to read the Franklin takeout, the takeout to take live Wow never asked for hot well and Lemon I was like, honey, God is in her abdomen, like she was so damn good and she's like I felt like. When I was going to work, I was like, I'm I'm going to watch Jennifer Hudson win three oscars and abusive husband and which was different for me because I've never seen my dad strike my mom. I didn't grow up in a household like that. Layne's

household was not like that. That's why me and my brothers were respectful men. We'll walk away before it get crazy. If you would light my house on fire, I'm still not gonna hit you. And none you can do to make me come out of my character. So I really had to dig deep to find that. And I thought what would make a man hit a woman? And I thought a damaged man would hit a woman because he's trying to damage her, because damage people damage people, and

a damaged man is really a hurt little boy. And so the insecurity and the jealousy him trying to control her spark the abuse. But I wanted it to come from a place of love, because when a man meets a woman, he loves her. He wants to rescue her. He's coming as the Night in shining armor, and that was his intention, but he failed up because he just

was nothing but a hurt little boy. And that to me, I wanted to do that because I wanted to represent for all the women that are in abusive relationships and people go, why don't you just leave him? Girl? It ain't that easy when you fall in love. And that's the beauty of his movies. You see us fall in love and then you invest in the love, and so it's not that easy to leave somebody because you're trying

to rescue people from each other's damage. How do you prepare for the role though, Like, because you keep talking about like, I guess the hurt little boys you have to tap into, like the trauma you some trauma you experience as a child. I mean I've seen, I mean, you grew up in the placs you see, you see, you see people get to dance with all the time. So I thought about past relationships that I knew girlfriends of mine that have been in abusive relationships or you know,

family member who have been in abusive relationships. So I kind of tapped into that and then I read iceberg slim book Pimp and Pimp is the thing that made me realize that all monsters aren't monsters, they're really damaged little boys. And Iceberg Slim in his book Pimp, he was became a pimp because he was mad at his mother, because his mother left his stepfather, who was the only man in his life that he loved, and she around with another dude. And she left that man who was

really good to him for another dude. And he was like, bitch, I hate you. I'm slapping bitches for knife, and that's what he did. I think they're saying, you gotta go, but but I'm canceled, being that this is my last I do want to ask you about this because I thought this was good. Speaking of motivation, say Chris rock Heck, could you during a performance that for years? I don't what. I was like, Chris, because I didn't know it was him,

you know, was eighteen seventeen. I'm doing stand up. I hear and I'm like, you know, you're trying to find it, and You're like, what else? How about some fucking jokes? I was like, so what else is funny? I don't know? How about you tell that was funny. What and he heckled me hard. But I understand in the comedy game, it's it's a fraternity, you know, and my brother's probably Chris. And Chris was heckling me. That's part of the fraternity. Thank god that didn't happen and go viral like it

would have today, because I would have loved it. I mean, this guy, well, here's that's the beauty is now. I'm the baby of the bunch, right, so all these Chris gonna get old, probably faster than me. And and I'm gonna catch that the old on stage and when the seen last. What else is funny? I don't know, y'all play that. I'm set because I saw him performing at Dave Chappelle's summer camp and he was a little rusty because he hadn't performed in a while, so he had

notes and everything. You can't get Chris. Chris, Chris a go Chris is a gene. He made it funny that he was rusty. But see here's Chris, right, I performed as me, Dave, Chris, John Stewart, Michael Shay, Donnell Rawlings, He's down at the stand and Chris was gonna go up and before he goes up because I got nothing. I got nothing. I was like, Chris, come on thirty seven specials and you have nothing. I got nothing. He goes on stage and he got nothing, but does mother

lit the room up? Like lit it up. He just read it on his out of his cell phone. He's reading texts out of himself. Lit the room up. He gets off stage and he does listen. He goes, I said, I thought I thought you said that nothing. He goes. Michael Jordan Jordan nine three point ye Gotham, All weekend, Gotham, all yead. You haven't picked a life? Watch coming in next time and you find out I'm on the boat mine bitches and I gotta break up with three or

four baby mamas. I'm making interest. When you watch the special, just watch what he has to say about him being with a white woman and how what not gonna can you? Now? You know what? Now you know what? You pick a life or respected out August thirteenth, Yeah, August thirteen, and my HBO's Max special. You know what it is. You gotta watch. You know what it is one of my Max you know what it is? My second special. Also, I'll be in Donia Beach, Florida at the Donia Beach

at Donya Improv Dania Beach Improv. Come through, that's this weekend. If the governor gonna kick you out, Yeah, theyn't kick you out. If you do win mask. If you got a vaccine and you can't get in, go check out respect today. It's Marlon Wayne. Thank you for coming, brother, appreciate sir. Wait, wait, you're checking out the Breakfast Club. Hey, what up? Y'all? Is dj Envy here? It's all fun in games. So someone screenshot your message, say goodbye to

morning after. Get with that chat. This new encrypted social platform can help you stay truly private, no screenshots, recordings, or leak messages. Get that chat for iPhone and Android at the app Store or find it at dat chat dot com. Forward slash envy So Breakfast Club, your mornings will never be the same morning Everybody's dj Envy. Angela yee, Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest with us this morning, Doctor Panel Joseph

and I just found out it from queens and y'all. Yes, absolutely. I read an amazing book called The Sword and the Shield, written by doctor Neil Joseph one of the best books I've ever read. I got around to it about a year later. I know it came out last year in March, but I got to it about a year late. But it really explores the revolutionary lies of doctor Martin Luther King Junior and brother Malcolm X in a very humanizing way, like like, what made you want to explore him the

way that you did? Well, I've always you know, I'm gonna say what Muhammad Ali said about Malcolm X. He said, I fell in love with Malcolm X when he was debating people and talking to people about black history. So I fell in love with Malcolm X by the time I was eight, nine, ten years old. The Eyes on the Prize documentary series came out, and this is before Denzel's brilliant movie came out in nineteen ninety two. I

was nineteen when the movie came out. So I've always loved Malcolm X. I think my love for Doctor King has come as I've gotten older, as I've become a father, as I've become just a deeper adult, because you see one how doctor King was radicalized in part by Malcolm X. But but I've also come to see that. Certainly we need self defense what Malcolm X talked about, but we also need the beloved community where doctor King talked about.

So my whole thing was seeing how they they went from being rivals and adversaries to being each other's alter egos. What have you learn a lot of this because you know in school, especially growing up, they touched on a lot of it. You know, I mean it wasn't so deep like it was that I have a dream speech. It was a little bit of Malcolm X. So what made you want to learn more about these characters Malcolm

X and Martin Luther King? And you know, it was growing up in New York City and the you know, my mother was part of a hospital workers SCIU eleven ninety nine, and so we grew up in a city

where we talked about social protest. I was a freshman in high school when Michael Griffith was murdered in December of eighty six and Howard Beach, a white mob chased them out into the highway and the brother was just destroyed by by a fast moving car and was trying to figure all this stuff out in New York City. So this before David Dinkins This is when Eleanor Bumpers, who was a black grandmother, was murdered by the police at in her own home. And so all of that

got me interested. But then, certainly Eyes on the Prize premiered in New York in nineteen eighty seven eighty eight on PBS Channel thirteen over here, and we grew up in New York City where Channel five before Fox News. We used to watch the drive in movies and you think about Wu Tang, they talk about Shaolin. We three pm on Saturdays. This is before cable, This is before everything. We used to watch, you know, kung fu movies, right, So was this idea of you were watching kung fu movies?

Hip Hop Run DMC lived on Hollis right up the hill, so we used to see Run DMC. We used to be able to go to shows they used to play at times right in PS thirty four Park, But there was all this racial segregation. Ed Koch was the mayor of New York. Ronald Reagan was the president. All that got me interested in Malcolm X. First time I read about Malcolm my mother had the autobiography of Alcolm X in the house and I read that and that just got me going, man, how old are you? Because you're

talking like you fifty something? You look like you and you're okay, okay, I'm forty eight. Okay, Wow, man, would you vegan a lot of water? A lot of water, a lot of it? Been practicing yoga for twenty three years? Okay? Okay? And uh yeah, all that good stuff. Now, what does the metaphor in the book's title, the Sword and the Shield referred to? And I'm glad you asked that. So we usually think about Malcolm X is the political sword

of the Black freedom struggle. And I even write in this book Malcolm served as Black America's prosecuting attorney, so he was prosecuting the United States for crimes against black humanity that dated back to racial slavery. Doctor King is usually think thought of as the shield. He's America's apostle of non violence, where Malcolm is Harlem's hero of self defense. We think about the ballot or the bullet speech. We think about Malcolm with a rifle by by a window,

and that's an iconic picture. What I argue in The Sword in the Shield is that both Malcolm and Martin are both Malcolm X is not only the political sword of the black community. He becomes our prime minister who goes to Africa from the Middle East. He becomes l Hodge Malik Shabaz, and he wants to build the beloved community as well, but one that's rooted in truth and the truth of not just racial slavery, but our West African and our African heritage. So Malcolm is a Pan

African all day, every day. But he's also a Muslim. He's also a radical internationalist. King is not just somebody who's a man of peace. He's a man of peace. He's a man of God. Both of them are men of God. But King is also this non violent revolutionary King becomes so revolutionary after Malcolm X's death, he's no longer on speaking terms with the President of the United States because he comes out against the Vietnam War, and he starts to say things like all white Americans have

unconscious racism. He says the halls of the US Congress of running wild with racism. In April fourth, nineteen sixty seven, at the Riverside Church in New York, he says that the greatest purveyor of violence in the United States in the world is the United States of America. So that's the revolutionary King who goes to places like Marks, Mississippi and tells poor black people that during reconstruction they were

promised forty acres in the mule. They didn't get their forty acres in the mule, but he's gonna lead a poor people's caravan to go to Washington, DC until they get the forty acres in the mule. That's doctor Martin Luther King Junior. So he's both a sword and the shield. But Malcolm is as well. And what I argue in the book is that the person who most influences doctor King's radicalism is Malcolm X. You know they, you know, Charlemagno. We talks about how Malcolm and Malcolm X and doctor Kings,

doctor King spoke. Do you think they were assassinated because they were possibly going to join forces that come out together and that would just be too much power. Well, I think they definitely are assassinated because they represent a threat to the American political system. I think that they would have gotten together. They spoke together once on March

twenty six, nineteen sixty four, at the US Senate. But one little known aspect did I get into in the book is that Malcolm saw King in Harlem December seventeenth, nineteen sixty four. He was sitting next to Andy Young Andrew Young, a former mayor of Atlanta, a former UN ambassador, and he heard doctor King give a whole speech after King won the Nobel Peace Prize, and not just that. He speaks about that speech in Harlem a few days

later and says that it was a terrific speech. He's impressed, and he goes to Alabama to visit with doctor King, and doctor King's in prison, and he visits instead with Coretta Scott King, doctor King's wife and really political partner. We think of Coreta Scott King is just his wife. She's a brilliant organizer, political partner, intellectual's his better half.

Let's let's face it. And so when we think about Malcolm, Malcolm was ready to join forces with King, but on his own terms, he wasn't gonna do the same thing. He Malcolm always believed in black dignity, King believed in black citizenship. Over time, they both come to believe in black dignity and citizenship, and Malcolm X defined black dignity

as the end of world white supremacy. All right, we got more with Doctor Panel Joseph when we come back, don't move as to Breakfast Club morning, everybody is dj Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club was still kicking it with Doctor Panel, Joseph Charlomagne.

Let's let's dig in on that a little bit more, because I love the concept of radical black dignity as weird, because I've read the autobiography of Malcolm X a few times Love Message to the Black Man, Biolijah Muhammad, swear by those books. But I don't remember that concept, you know, explored as much as when I read The Sword and the Shield, and I even incorporated a lot of the concept of radical black dignity and commissment speech I gave for South Carolina State, you know, about a month ago.

But can you dig a little deeper on what that is? What is radical black dignity? Radical Black dignity from Malcolm X is radical black political self determination. So what that means is that Malcolm absolutely had this external critique. He critiqued white supremacy, critique institutions that were brutalizing black people, the police, the whole deal. But he also expected a

lot of ourselves. So Malcolm defines radical black dignity as Black people coming to understand and love themselves through the pain and trauma of racial slavery and segregation and brutalization. That we have to understand that, but we have to not be as hard on ourselves as we usually are. Because Malcolm criticized us for loving white people and loving white supremacy too much. But what that meant was that we weren't able to face how we had been subjugated,

how we had been subjugated during racial slavery. The reason why Malcolm X goes to Africa three times because people don't talk about the nineteen fifty nine trip to Africa where he's in Egypt, he's in the Middle East, he meets up with President Vice President n y El Sadat, he meets up with Prince Faisal Saudi Arabia, the whole deal. Malcolm went there to the Middle East, into Africa even before he takes to Hajj, because he knew that black

people out of history before the Middle Passage. So part of that dignity was we understood that yes, not only had we been kings and queens and obviously not all of us were just kings and queens in Africa. But we had a history before the US. We had a history before European I won't even call it conquest, but being captives here and really recreating Western civilization through our own protests. Another part of radical black dignity is black

beauty and black love. Malcolm, following Marcus Mosiah Garvey, believed in the beauty of black people intrinsically black women, black men, black children, black babies, black neighborhoods. So when we think about this idea of self determination, and my final point is this is why Malcolm has a critique of racial integration,

not because he doesn't want an equal society. But Malcolm was horrified by the fact that it took troops to bring black children to school in Little Rock Central High School in nineteen fifty seven, Whereas King writes a telegram to President Eisenhower applauding that in September of nineteen fifty seven, Malcolm is angry and mad about that. Why it's a sixth society where our children, little black girls and boys, have to be guarded by troops to go into a

high school or an elementary school. And that's why Malcolm says American democracy is nothing but American hypocrisy. And very famously he says, you can't put a knife nine inches in a person's back, take it out three inches and call that progress. You haven't taken out the knife, and you haven't even acknowledged the wound. So black dignity is us understanding our own struggle, loving ourselves through the joy and the trauma of that struggles. Remember the reason why

Malcolm X is the best order in American history. And I'll say doctor King's number two. The reason why Malcolm's the best. Malcolm has a great sense of humor. He actually forces us to confront this through different parables. And when he talks about house negroes versus field negroes, he's talking about black dignity, but he's also talking that we have class tensions in our own community. Sometimes you'll have historians and scholars to say, well, the house negro field

negro is more complicated than that. Malcolm's given us allegoris that everyone can understand. That's why he says, make it plain. So the house negroes wore black folks who had more identification with white supremacy and white masters and that's why Malcolm says, when the white master got sick, the house negro said, we see right and field negroes. Malcolm defined them like he defined himself, black people who were catching hell every day and who were bold enough to resist

against white supremacy. So black dignity is huge, huge, huge, And this is why when we think about the Malcolm and Martin, the dichotomy and the convergence, it's only because of Malcolm X. The Doctor King starts talking about black dignity. Doctor King starts saying black is beautiful, and it's so beautiful to be black. Doctor King, by nineteen sixty seven tells us that they even tell us little white lies

are better than black lives. Black lives. That's Doctor King, only because Malcolm X had taught all of us about black dignity. Before Malcolm, we were all negroes who turned into black people because of Malcolm X. And in the book you lay out how they each become the others alter ego. Essentially, to me, that's what the book is

ultimately about. Can you explain it absolutely? When we think about Malcolm and Martin, over time, doctor King becomes much more of a radical and a revolutionary, speaking truth to power in an unapologetic way in the tone of Malcolm X. My great example there is when doctor King is in Marks, Mississippi in nineteen sixty eight organizing the Poor People's Campaign. He tells the poor black folks in Marks, Mississippi that

the way they are living is a crime. That's the exact language that Malcolm X used to use about this crime against black humanity that had occurred. For Malcolm, it's the ballot or the bullet speech. The ballot or the bullet speech is the first time Malcolm X acknowledges the need for radical black citizenship. He had always acknowledged a need for radical black dignity. But Malcolm hedges he doesn't believe in American democracy, never does he believes in what

black people. He says, the reason why I think we should do the ballot or the bullet is that I want Black people to have a chance to utilize this political power and see where it gets them. Remember, Malcolm X had been in prison. Malcolm X's father had been killed early. He always felt it was a white supremacist attack. His mother had been institutionalized. Malcolm had seen what I call the lower frequencies of the United States of America.

So he was always skeptical about democracy working the way in which white people pretended it worked, right, But what he did was he had faith in who black people. He was schooled by his mother, Louise Norton Little, who was from Granada, So Malcolm has Caribbean blood as well as the African African American blood. He was schooled by his father or a little he was schooled by the honorable Alija Muhammad, but he was also schooled by all

these revolutionary leaders in the Middle East and Africa. Right, So when you think about Malcolm becomes closer to king through this acknowledgement that we need to end worldwide supremacy, not just through self defense, but we're gonna need that beloved community. But Malcolm Hedges, he says, one, I only believe in black people visa VI this democracy thing. But two he says that white people and his language is this sincere white people can be part of the movement.

What did he define as sincere? He divined a sincere as what do boys call abolitionist democracy? White people who are gonna be willing to put themselves on the line right to transform the entire world. So du Boys always said, and W. B. Du Boys is the intellectual who is the founder of the NAACP, one of the most important intellectuals ever. But what he wrote in a book nineteen thirty five called Black Reconstruction was he wrote the true

history of reconstruction. He pushed back against the Lost Cause history that had said we were apes and monsters and we were raping white women. He showed how black people tried to reimagine American democracy. And the only reason the country exists in the form and exists now is because of our labor, our sweat, our sacrifice, our love, our patriotism. Right. And so when we think about Malcolm and Martin, Martin becomes closer to Malcolm where he becomes this unfettered revolutionary,

becomes a pillar of fire, an Old Testament prophet. He's Amos, He's Jeremiah, He's Moses by the end of his life, and Malcolm becomes closer to King where he starts to say that not only is he a prosecuting attorney, he becomes Black America's prime minister. In the last year of his life, Malcolm X had an office at the United Nations. Malcolm X could go and speak to Prime Minister Kwame and Kruma in Ghana, he could speak to nam diazakiway in Nigeria, he could speak to Mohammed Babu, who's the

Prime Minister of Zanzibar. So that's when he becomes closer to Doctor King. So they really converge, and you could see the love and admiration that Malcolm has for him when he tells Correctis Scott how much he admires her husband in Selma. And when you read the statement that King sends after Malcolm's assassination, he expresses his admiration and says what a great man Malcolm X was who was constantly changing. So you can see the convergence between both

of them even in their lifetimes. Let me tell you something, man. His name is doctor Pernil Joseph. The book is Disord and the Shield. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it's one of the best books that I've ever read in my entire existence on this planet. I think everybody should go out there and get Disword in the Shield right now. It explores the revolutionary lives of Malcolm X and Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. I can't wait to just read more of your stuff, Doctor Furnil Well, thank you,

Charlotta Magne the God. It's it's been great. It's an honor, it's a pleasure to be here. You're an icon. So I'm really appreciative of this opportunity and to to chop it up with you to dialogue, especially as somebody from New York City, a native New Yorker is doctor for Neil Joseph is the Breakfast Club putting everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Gyee, Charlomagne, Nica, we are the breakfast Club. Charlomagne, you got a positive note, I sure do. Healing yourself

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