Bomani Jones Talks Tom Brady, Kyrie Irving Trade, Lebron's GOAT Status, Game Theory + More

Sound like y'all just need a whole bunch of thrones. Like I've seen this like Kylie Coward he said that set up, but his desk was up here and his guests would be sitting down there. Lebron always sitting in the high chair on the shop. Everybody else sitting on the ground. I see what this is. Well, Charlemagne, bout the thrones? Okay? Were about the thrones? I thought because he was short, he wanted to be a little highest is the reason I thought. But you just never know.

I just like to set up. I like how it looks to a camera. But welcome brother, even to a game theory? Man, Yeah, man, how are you feeling. Hey man, we're, you know, out here on the stroll selling these ways for everybody, anybody that wants me to walk to stroll to look pretty. That's the end of like the trickiest part of it. But doing the show itself, Man, it's been great like this. I mean, this is the thing that I always wanted to do, and now we get to do it, and we get to keep doing it.

At least we get to keep doing it through this season. I don't get to make decisions past that. But we got a lot to talk about today. So let's jump right into Super Bowl this weekend. Who you got and why? All right? I'm going with the Chiefs. And I don't know if the Chiefs are the better team, but I just can't pick against my homes. Man. How's his leg though? How's his foot? I mean, he got two of them,

you know what I'm saying. Like one of them might not be as good as the other one was, but he got to like and I made this mistake the last time they had the Super Bowl, Like, I'm not picking them because they had my homes because that got me in trouble when they lost to the Bucks. But I can't pick against him. Well, then that Super Bowl you probably could have after of who they were playing, well,

Tom Brady. It wasn't about Tom Brady. It's when I turned the TV yall and saw they had all them back up offensive linement, and immediately I was like, I'm gonna be wrong on television the ball Like sometimes you just look up. The game doesn't have to go. I just saw to du that left tackle who got Cam Newton. Damn they're killed in that Super Bowl. I was just like, up, sometimes you're wrong. Yeah. Now you did say, Tom Brady, what are your thoughts on Brady finally retiring? Dude forty

six years old? Like, I don't even understand what the delivery. He's still competing, He's still competing, But some of the dudes that are hitting him into kidneys like this, this is just me personally. I would imagine at that age, I am forty two, and I know how much you can hurt just working out, just waking up. Yeah, yeah, this dude's out here get getting buy out by everybody, and it's like, yeah, you know, I think I might

want to do that, na na na nah. So I am amazed that he pulled it off for as long as he did. And I am glad that he walked away before it got to be terribly embarrassing because he was gonna be out here next year. It was gonna be depressing for all of us think oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what if he don't went to San Francisco or something. It's still been looking depressing. Man. Everybody gets old. Like I know, he got out as a stretching and his strawberry ice cream and everything else. But in the end,

I mean, he can't eat strawberries. That's his thing. He does not eat strawberries. Everybody gets old. And I think Cass like him and Lebron have fooled us into thinking that you can live forever. Nope, everybody that's thought they could go forever, it's gone one day too long. And me to sit there and cry, well, we never we had We really never saw Brady have a decline. I just don't think he had the team around him this year. Yeah, And that's why it's good to get out ahead of

that clime. It's coming, like no matter who you are, it's coming. Now. You mentioned Lebron, is Lebron the goat. Now he's about to pass the record in the next school. A couple of days, the conversation is coming back. No, why no, because there's a dude named Jordan. I agree, that's what I mean. That's that's no insult to Lebron.

But like I remember, at one point, it's like fifteen years ago and I was doing radio and I would say, Lebron James is the best player I ever saw, and I had this whole clinical argument, like he does this better than Mike, he does this better than Mike, he does this better than Mike, and I could go through all of that, and then you go to YouTube and you're like, what was I talking about, Like none of

this matters. There was that dude, and then there's everybody else, like the last dance, which was so funny because it was so clear that Mike looked around and was like, these kids just think I'm about some shoes. I need to show them who they are. And then I watched it. It was like, YO, great idea, Mike, because I don't see how they could watch this and think anything other than there's never been anything like this before. No insult

to Lebron, you know. But I also think that part of the scoring record of what's important to him is he's still making that case, right, I have a case against Jordan, assist and scoring everybody. I'm just here to tell you, I don't think you have a cay. It's cool to be yourself, right. You just gotta realize you're not gonna convince us like the people who you have not convinced it's over. That decision has been made. The ones that know you cool, they're gonna ride with you,

and they're gonna decide this is your program. Everybody else. Now, we made our call. I don't have bron over Kobe, and I think it's wild. See I think that's crazy. I'll tell you why. We always think Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan, right, and people don't want to give it to Cobe. That's steven Na Smith say. I don't want to give it the Kobe because all he did with mimic Jordan. You know how good you gotta

be the mimic Mine don't know. I give him credit, But that's like saying that Shane is better than somebody because he's the closest thing to Biggie. Now, great, Kobe's a lot better than Sean was as a rapper, But it's just like he reminds me of isn't quite enough. Lebron got too many victories. Like I know Kobe has the championships, but that run basically from twenty ten to twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen, when he's going to the

finals every year and the only thing that's constant is Lebron. James, y'all only do that with Braun When it comes to the Buffalo Bills, nobody said the Bills one of the greatest football teams of all time. They went to the Super Bowl four times, but they didn't go to Super Bowl eight times, and they didn't win the four right, right,

But they didn't. But if they had won a couple of long the way we could talk about Like I'm an Atlanta Braves fan, right, I don't say they're the greatest baseball run of it just because they had fifteen straight division championships or anything else, but Lebron being the constant between two franchises and a whole bunch of different ways to get this done. Nah, man, you can't. There's no shade as you can throw on what he I'm

not throwing shade. I'm just saying he's the person that we, for whatever reason, we make a concession too when it comes to not winning. That's fair. And when Kobe was missing the playoffs and out here the last four years looking you know, beat down and everything, stay passed problem, that's right, but you cut them slack for it, Like, that's the thing about it. We cut Kobe a lot of slack. He was hurt. I think the one thing that Braun doesn't have that Kobe has that Jordan has

is the will to win. There was just something different about Jordan when he was on the court in those final minutes. You knew he wasn't gonna lose this game. The same thing with Kobe. Brun not so much. See, I disagree. I think Kobe had the will to take shots every time. Like when we talk about the mama mentality stuff like it's it's been long enough now that

we can have an honest reassessment of Kobe. And so the thing for me about that is every time you hear about Kobe and the drive and the passion and everything else, it's all about one man. Kobe's thing is I am going to get myself all the way right, and if the rest of y'all do it, we're gonna be cool. Right. What made Braun different than Kobe was I can take Braun out here with four dudes that we get off a fifth avenue, and he'll be like

Buddy from the sand Life. If you go stand over there and hold your glove up and just stand right there, the ball's gonna come to you. That's what Lebron's got, what Kobe's guy is. Man. If y'allould just give me the ball and just let me get these buckets, this will be our best chance. I don't see that as the will to win. I see that as the will to be the person who does the thing. Jordan was

like that, Jordan. I think part of that's the North Carolina thing, where now then you had to get a ball to somebody else and then go figure it out. But Jordan had a better understanding the team dynamics. They look, man, I'm not an only child, but I grew up kind of as an only child playing basketball in a driveway. That's Kobe. Kobe got a driveway game, right. He got all by himself, moves all that stuff. When you imagine you ain't got to think about nobody else. He's shoot

doing crazy fall aways. And everything else because you're playing in the driveway by yourself and then he gets out with other people. And that was the whole thing with Kobe. The whole way was like figuring out how to interact with other people. It was a human thing. But I also think it was a basketball thing. And I go with Lebron for that reason. Over that, like when Lebron had that squad and No. Seven, Kobe can't get that team to the finals in the East or either way,

because that's not how Kobe gets down. Lebron out here, got Jeff McKennis out here looking like something that he never could be. Yeah, now, Kyrie, Irvy, that was just mean, that's what I do. Now he just got traded to the Mavericks. What's your thoughts on on Kyrie? Does that make that team better, worse or it doesn't matter. I

have no idea, and I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody has no no. But he's another dude that's in a similar place where his individual game is just so incredible, like saying, he's the best ball handler that I've ever seen, not even close, right, But how many games he gonna play? He got all kinds to not show up, not coming to work. Now he's dealing with a dude who's not accustomed to give him the ball

to anybody else. Neither one of them plays especially well off the ball, But I don't But with the nets, I don't feel like they got better either. Like this is the rare time I look at the trade and be like, oh, everybody wanted to do words. Huh. Ain't that so? Because I told Kyrie he was like, you know, the word was out that he might sit for the rest of the year if he doesn't get traded. Yeah, I bet you want that Max deal. You're gonna get out here and play because that's all you can do

to get this money. That the worst, I should say, the worst let down to NBA history ever. James Harden, ever, Durant ever, Kyrie ever ever doesn't make any sense. First of all, they played like a game and a half together, like in some total. But no, ever, I can't think of anything. Remember how we thought about that year the Lakers got Gary Payton and Carl Malone and they were old, and we thought it was a let down When they

went to the finals. These dudes won a series, one single solitary series and I'm just waiting to figure out when they're gonna trade Kevin Durant. But what do you do? What do you do with Kevin Durant? You to Brooklyn nets And if you are Kevin Durant, what do you want to go? Well, I can't go where it's the best place for me to Wars she had never left. I don't blame them for leaving, like I didn't blame Kyrie for leaving Cleveland, the same way I didn't blame

Durant for leaving Goldstake. I didn't blame Kyrie for leaving Cleveland because he left Cleveland at the same time that I left Highly Questionable to go do High Nude High. The Questionable was a very successful program. If I want to do that for the rest of my life, we'd have been down there making easy money living in Miami. But I needed more right like it wasn't I was had a very nice seat in somebody else's car. I wanted to drive a car, So sometimes you gotta go

drive a car. Right. That's where ky he was when he left Cleveland. What if you're not a driver, though, well he thought he was a driver. I personally believe that I was a driver, But I have to say that car I drove on high dude didn't quite stay on the road right. Luckily I got another chance to drive a car, but he wanted to be a driver. You deserve a chance to see if you can do that,

if somebody would give you that opportunity. With Durant, can you imagine being possibly the best player on planet Earth? And they'll never love he as much as this other dude right here, And everybody loves Steff right, So if it comes down to a battle of like who side we got, you're never gonna win over Stepp. And in fairness to Steff, always say this, we don't let that man be a person. And so we act like, oh, step will have no problem with Kevin Durant being very

you know, it'll be easy. I assure you. It was not right. That man's got an ego, just like everybody else has an ego. So you on somebody else's team, you and somebody else's city, you're the best player in the world, and nobody cares because it's his And so he I felt like Durant one of something that was

more his own. Except the problem was he brought his fuck up homeboy with him, and it became his team because when you're the one that messes everything up, it becomes your team because you're the one that we got to worry about all the time. And Kevin Durant, that dude, he's so cold that you never have to worry about him, and that gets old, man. That's right, that's right. Speaking of Steph, I love talking spots. You know what, we

can talk about so many other stuff. And I asked Stephen, they the same question when you talk about generations, right, when you look at Stephan Braun over the last ten fifteen years objectively, who who whose error really wasn't This is a this is a spicy one that I've been dealing with and trying to figure out myself, because the truth is Steph Curry won four championships on Lebron's watch, that's right, and beat Broun twice, beat him twice three

times actually yes, three times, three times. Yeah, And there's no way around that he beat him on his watch while Lebron was still in his project. Let's say the Warriors, and I don't think this is going to happen, but let's say the Warriors won a championship, this year, and that would mean that Steph had five championships and Lebron has four. Okay, I could say Lebron's a better player than Stuff. How could I say that the era did

not belong to step step changed the game. He revolutionized the game of basketball and ways Braun didn't everybody played like stuff. Yeah, it's tricky though, Lebron couldn't revolutionize it because you look at Broun and you're like, oh, I can't do that, right, Like it just it's just not an option, right, Like I can't. I can't, Like there's no way that I could ever look in the mirror and be like, yeah, I got that, No, and I was not happening. You feel like abouteff shooting, right, But

that's the problem. People feel like that they can't do that shit either, Like I can't imagine coaching a youth league basketball team right now. For Yeah, I thought he was chucking. I was like, he has to be chucking. The way he was shot looked like he was chucking. Let me tell you, man, I was that year that Steph killed the NC double A tournament I covered. I

was in the building for the first two rounds. I even told him because It kind of like changed the trajectory of my life because I was there and in between jobs, and I was watching that and I was like, no, I gotta be around this forever. Like it was that big a thing. But he was out there, He's like a hundred four five pounds. The jersey was falling off of him and dog, he was just demolished. And then they played gonzag in the first round. They had a

couple of NBA players. He's just doing it to him playing, you know, just playing with regular old dudes who could get into Davidson. Right. Then they played Georgetown the next round. Georgetown was the number two seed, and Georgetown should have won day game. But that's a whole nother discussion. And Steph's doing all that and you watch it and you're like, well, he can't do that in the NBA because he's just

too small. That was all it is. And then you realize after they changed the rules in the NBA, actually he can do this in the NBA. Right, So he's one of these dudes we question really just because the size. It was never a question of whether or not you had the talent or anything else. But man, if you put like a couple of tattoos on that dude. We talk about him like he's Alan Iverson because he's got

handles like that. He had all of it, and at every turn he's like, I'm better than y'all think, and we're like, but stuff, we think you're the greatest shooter ever because you're really No, No, he was better every year. I got to wind up coming on the microphone and being like, guys, I swear I was saying this stuff was really good, but you were right. I did not

say he was as good. I know the next time might see him, he gonna have something to say to me, because he finds out everything everybody says that it's little bideous slight, and he's gonna say something to He ran up on one of my homeboys who comes to the league because we had had a podcast discussion where I was trying to make the point he's a system player but also the system, but all that got heard was he's a system player. This is years later. He walks

up to my man. Not bad for a system player, Huh. I don't think cats understand. I don't think people, Yeah, I don't think people quite get what kind of dude he is he just went to Christ's schools. That's all it is. But like but otherwise now here like us. Statement makes all the sense in the world though, because he is the system, but the system is built around him. What it is and the point we were trying to make is there's a lot of guys where you'd be like, yo,

we need to win the game. Put four dudes at the bottom, you at the top. You gonna make it happen. He's not the first choice that I make to do that, which is different than guys that are typically that good. Ain't nobody trying to hear nothing that came after that though, shape and then a boy, we're out there one another one. I'm not dig in the playoffs. I never not sleeping on golden thing. Never know. That's the Clay Thompson is not.

What Clay Thompson was becomes the hold up. My thing with the Warriors is it's hard to play for now and play for later at the same time if you have the opportunity. My thing is, I trade them young dudes, really, Wiseman, Moody or Commander Really, if I could get Kevin Durant back, I'll trade them all. Yeah, I mean of course yes, but I trade out like one or two. It's hard to have a bunch of dudes in their thirties and a bunch of dudes it's like twenty one and like

make your team happen at the same time. That's just me. I would get the young dudes out of there to try to win while I got Steff. And if I'm Steph, I go in there kicking and screaming about it as the NBA getting too violent. Now, I seem like that people are fighting more violent. I've always said, it's not violent. It's getting back to it. He's getting back to the Detroit, New York. You know why, because good basketball doesn't make

people watch. Passion makes people watch. Correct, Like you think about that terrible basketball or the nineties of the late two thousands where you got finals games where a team is scoring in the fifties, But we view that more nostalgically than the game we watched. Now. We like watching dudes elbow with each other. We like watching dudes put

each other around. And I said something on Game Theories the first words the season one where I was like, you realize, that's a whole generation of NBA fans that have never seen their favorite players in the fight. We have seen every single one of our favorite players everything fight somebody John, all of them top to Bobs, Yea Kobe ever did we ever? We had never seen any of these cats fight. So like that level, I'm down

to see some pushing around. Like one of my favorite altercations, Joe ll NB and Karl Anthony Towns had one because Karl Anthony Towns was like, look, I know the rest of y'all think I'm gonna sucker, but I'm not taking that from you, and finally decided he was gonna fight him. Now where I get worried, you'll see this story about John Morant and the laser beam was gone to ye on, this is my only thing about that. Okay, now you're

from not too far away where he's from from something. Yeah, I don't know what part of South Carolina that is, right, like in terms of like what it's like on the ground, but a country country. People don't understand that country got real also right, I don't know how he rolls, how he gets down, but I know a lot about Memphis. And you can play this game with that laser dot

on the team bus with the Paciers. If you want to, and if you want to play these games with your NBA friends, go ahead, watch your step in that city that you live in. And that's my thought about that, Like if you ride around with your partners and that's they get down and you still got these dudes around you, which makes me wonder what you and your daddy be talking about. He had every single game and you still riding around the dudes. That's laser beam and strength. Like

people like, like, what exactly are you talking about? But I hope he's careful. I really hope. There was the other story. I don't know if you saw that. Somebody sued him, um basketball playing basketball at the house. Yeah, you're I was team job. Basically, some young man that he's known forever was playing ball at his house and they had some heated altercation and the young man says he accidentally threw a ball that whiz passed Jah's head and y'all looked around allegedly and said should I do

it to him? And they said yes, and they gave that board the beats um, but he was like seventeen. Oh wow. Now that comes down to a philosophical question as to like how old how old is old enough to get your ass kicked for acting like? How b seventeen year old? Somebody? Seventeen year olds pretty big man. I think seventeen was enough for me. Like at seventeen, I recognize the girl. Man, like what my ass? But then they say the NBA did an investigation and find

out they couldn't confirm the laser star. Yeah, they couldn't confirm it. But uh, here's what I here's it's sound like they couldn't confirm they couldn't confirm that the laser was tied to a gun. Ridge is fair, and I think it's in all likelihood and boards are just playing around in the car with a laser. Reje had one this morning like that. I think we all like maybe I'm just from Texas. We don't play like Shannon Sharp.

What's your thoughts? I love Shannon All getting with a couple of people on the court because at one time, if you agree with somebody in the corn like that, you get thrown out. I love Shannon though. Shannon is one of my favorite. You're not getting kicked out of the Staples Center whatever they call it now when you the number one lebron James fat right, let's go there. My my favorite thing about that though Dylan Brooks he

was ready for that. Dylan Brooks didn't want that. I think it was Desmond Baine was the other dude that came over there. Desmon Vaine. They really want that either. Steven Adams, Oh, suddenly we have a fair fight. Steven Adams feels no paid because it perfects to pay, like like he had to reach on Shannon to mother dudes who sh had a sharp would to beat the dog shit out of the listen. You know before you go on, man, I was talking about game theory. You do game theory

by yourself with talking about Shannon. When you see these heated altercations that Shannon and Skip Bayler's get into it, even saw stephen A and Jay get into yesterday. Jay williamsay, that's just something that comes with the territory. It kind of depends on the dynamic that you have with your co host. But yeah, that can I mean, you think about it, man, Them dudes is up there holling at each other for two and a half hours day, right like y'all eat here kicking it right like like the

nature of your show is not antaggonistic. Right, y'all. They go at it and with the ego the Skip has and I know Skip, I know, like I don't know them like real close, but I know them well enough to talk about it in this context. And what happened was like I saw another woman with Shannon and Skip, and I may be out of turn because I don't work at that network, but Shannon didn't have to say, you could have took down the tweet. No, no, no,

just let that go. Just let that go. And Skip didn't have to be like, I'm not gonna take it down and let me explain why and didn't. Whatever the old fight was happened right in front of each other.

And what I've said and I hope for them is this this TV thing that back and forth only works at the people think you like each other, Like if they know you don't like each other, feel like you don't like each other, it doesn't go court has and will bond scream at each other and may be heated at each other sometimes but always at the end as

a reminder that they like each other. Stephen Ay and Jay got a little bit of a different dynamic because it ain't their show, it's his show, and the last thing I saw on there, and I haven't talked to either one of them about this, but Jay did something that would have got me right there with Steven Ay with stephen A is like, Yo, you always tell me what you find interesting. Why don't you just say what

you mean? Like, no, hold on, we're not doing passive aggressive about this, Like stephen A. Smith is not a person that's here for your tiptoe. He's right here say what it is that you think. But on this issue, they've gotten in these arguments. I was trying to YouTube the full segment and I found another one and them holing at each other about Kyrie Irving right, like it's that one is particular and in ways seems personal to

both of them for different ways. Stephen Ay, he got contacts with those people over there and talking to them, and every now and then they'll be like, yo, I don't care about you or your daddy. So like it's clear they got their thing. Jay Williams went to do. Jay Williams is from their New Jersey school Basketball World, so they both bringing whatever their things are into this. But they got shows where people just like arguing each other. None of the shows I've been on dan ain't Bill

for that. Me and him couldn't hoilight each other like that. Oh God, if I hollow that poplo like that on television, they send me to jail. Like it's just it's not or at least I get to tension. It's not. The dynamic did not allow they stop Asian hate all kind of. But our dynamic and our interaction didn't work that way. Skipp and Shannon, when they're on good terms, they can

do it. But now that's the thing, when you got that we highlight each other television show at sometimes it ain't gonna it ain't gonna be games, right, So how do you navigate that hosting your own you know we're gonna be good with some roll. How do you navigate that hosting your own show? Oh, I ain't gotta argue with nobody no more. Yeah, but I'm talking about you know, we know people like to see some type of conflict. Yeah,

do you feel the need to like stir something? No, because I can't the kind of conflict that we're talking about here, Like I feel honest saying this, and I don't think aybody's gonna look at me for being a jerk for it, right, would you want to argue with me on television, No would you? No, Like I wouldn't want to argue withoud be. I can have a conversation, conversation, but like y'all bring it to you right now, most people aren't. Like, that's not a winning proposition for most people.

So you can't approach somebody like BUMI emotionally, I'm gonna lose everything. But then I can't approach them emotionally because then I just look like a bullet, right, I don't look like like I like it works better, Like if you saw the thing I had with Jake Paul the other that back and forth I knew going in if Jake Paul tried me, I'm gonna just let them do it.

Let's keep going, okay, okay, Like I'm a video game boss when it comes to arguing stuff like, I don't have to prove anything to those people, so I can just lay back and go with it what I find works better for me. Like when my podcast, people like to hear me talk to my friends, Like they don't want to hear me in conflict. They want to hear me chilling because that to them is like the refreshing part of it. It's like, yo, right, Baumney's actually just like one of our friends. We can just hang out

and talk about this stuff. But other people, I get why they feel like they gotta And I'm not saying that the people we talked about a manufacturing conflict, but I know why a lot of people feel like they have to manufacture conflict. But I can just make people man getting out of bed, like I ain't really got to try hard to get them to that place. Well, we appreciate you for stopping through broo game theory. What's what's the days again? Is it still Sunday? Oh no,

We're on Friday. Now. Friday's eleven eastern on HBO on HBO Max BEI all right, after Real Time with Bill Maher And this week, I believe our in studio guest is Gilbert Arenas. Okay, yes, this should uh, this should be interesting. This is the rare time where I'm like, what in the world am I gonna do with this interview? I have this go any direction? So we got that getting ready for the super Bowl. You've a good, good, good conversation. Though you know one thing other thing's gonna

ask you. People will look at you and they see you on HBO and they think, man who some people might think, but money came out of nowhere, but they don't realize you've had a long broad got created at the debate, I was just having in here earlier because I'm like, you know, there's no point of entry to to podcast or I have no idea how you do it anymore, Like I was. I was talking to Jamal about this yesterday when she was like, if somebody young came ask you how you get in the game, what

would you tell them? And I would tell them I don't know. Yeah, turn your compute on because because I feel like you haven't skipped any steps. Being that you haven't skipped any steps, you have the skill set to sustain where you are. I feel like with these new people, they just turn on the microphones start their podcasts and

they haven't acquired any skills from the skifferent steps. And I don't know where you get them, right, Like I don't know if this podcast school right, Like I don't know if you know, like if the colleges or whatever or like teaching people how to get in and do this.

But like I remember when I first got in the game, I got in writing and I did skip steps, but I was working with editors and people who were making me better and then gradually, like there were things that we figured out and we got to the place where it's like, okay, cool, this is where I am. But now with the podcast game, when I talk to people and they asked me like what can they do to get on? They never asking me how to make they

work better. They're like, hey, so what can I do with my Twitter or my TikTok, you know, to get people to see it? And I'm like, look, network can sign yeah, and I'm like exposed to get you exposed, Like if your work is not ready to be seen, you don't want This is where people talking about coming in here just a little bit earlier, like hey man, people are gonna give you one shot. Like if what you got ain't there, you don't want to put that

before the world. So you need to do whatever it takes to make your work better and then hope that the people who listen to you will share. Like Chuck d says something it's like ten years ago online, I'll never forget, And his point was if you have a band or a rap group, whatever it is, and you got a Facebook fan page, and that Facebook fan page has ten fans. Your fan page needs to serve those

ten fans. They're all like corporate thinking is I'm gonna serve all these people who ain't there, serve those ten people, and then those ten people will tell somebody else about it, and now your ten might turn to twelve, and then your twelve might turn to fourteen or whatever it is. But what they could do is get you your own little audience and serve it and get better and get better,

and then from there somebody might notice you. But even like it was ten twelve years ago, like I got on TV via Twitter, right, I got the attention to people who made decisions sending tweets. Twitter so overcrowded and nobody does anything productive there. I don't even know if you can impress anybody on Twitter to get off. So like, if you want to do this, you better love it, because since everybody else is doing it, it ain't gonna

be no money out there for you very long either. Exactly, this is a tough game right now, that's right, as you get you exposed Jones, that's right, watch either to a game theory man just Friday, right after Bill Mah Bill it's the Breakfast Club, Go Morning, oh Man. The throne got a wire.