Black Ink Crew Interview and More

j Ali and Charlotmagne the guy the breakfast club. Bitch, this is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're manaking from you on the breakfast Club. You got something on your mind? Hello? Whose this? Yeah, Josh, Josh, get it off your chest first. Always want to say, man, I listen you guys every day. I love you guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Man U is Charletmagne in today, Yes, I am, sir. That's amazing. Y'all got to ask him on in the day you kill me

when out went out. I listen to you guys and don't here that yo yo yo yo yo. At the beginning, all right, well, this is for you man, for Charletts, Maine. You know, I understand that a couple of days ago you said that you wanted your daughter to bring home the same race that that you guys are, which is black. I understand that completely. But seven out of ten domestic violences that are reported on a female are from a

black guy. How would you feel if you kept putting it on your daughter about dating the black guy, but then she was getting beat up all the time. First of all, I don't even know if the statistic is really and it's coming and it's coming from a white man. Sorry, used to believe it. It's real, It's real. Google it. You sound like the Jeeves. Yeah, I mean that's that's like saying, you know a majority of black people in America have probably been killed by white people historically, whether

we go from slavery to Jim Crow, segregation to now. So, so I should never let my daughter day the white man. The white man has historically been behind every mass carnage and murder in America. So I should never let her my daughter day to white man just saying she dates of Jacob or Stephen Man, she might be more comfortable. You never know, man, get off my phone. He got that devil. I don't know where he got that statistics. Ki, okay, get it off your chests. I didn't call him that either.

By the way, I said before I called him, before you called crack ass cracker. You know what I'm saying. I took a deep breath. We got you. You know before I say, did you think to whoever he is, hello, who's this ing it? That was that Brandon? Get it off your chests? All right? So I've got two things, well, mainly for Charlotte Magagne, but all um telling me, I know you're talking about how are your munch caller or

South Carolina and all that? Yes, sir um, So are you implemented any like mental programs for like the young kids so they don't do any of these crazy things? Because if people are interested in union into the dustry like TV, film, radio, because anything that you're introducing to those kids down downs off where you're from and say hey, you can do this instead of bt to me crazy

or keep keep up the street. Yeah, you know, I've been doing that for a while because I got a nonprofit called Third Eye Awareness, and like one of the first initiatives we did years years years ago was called the No Matrix movement, and it was the show kids that there was other career options other than wrapping apple. But we do a mentorship program every year that my cousin and Kenta does, and you know, basically we just

show guys other career options. And I know that always sounds like hypocritical coming from me because I'm in the entertainment business. But I mean I know a lot of doctors and lawyers and engineers and architects and politicians and tech guys cold creators. And I'm not always talking about like on air or suff like may behind the seming stuff like sound more camera anytime, some stuff like that.

Oh yeah, I always encourage kids to do that before they get into the before they become on air personalities. Like I think that, you know, the pro the program inside of things in radio is lacking, Like you know, we need those next program directors and music directors. Yeah. By because I'm gonna say right now, I'm like one of those two black dudes on set, like I'm working for T show right now in California and camera cruit camera people stay getting work all the time, all the time.

One more thing, U ye, I have one thing to you. Yeah, you had Melvin call in and he's saying that all the things about him calling a girl and get upset with her about the conversation that he would have not

getting with her. Correct And you're promoting men doing better and talking to me a woman better and doing all these things to better men, right, So why would you giving it's a little hypocritical to say that to men and then tell a loot of women or condone women not being up in an honest with men saying okay, I'm not interested, instead of ignoring them and doing things like that. Yes there are men who are crazy. Yes there are men who are doing these wild things. Once

for not doing that. Listen, if a woman is not responding, If a woman is not responding to you, my whole point, And it doesn't have to be mutually. I mean, it could be two different things. But if a woman's not responding you, that doesn't give you the right to be nasty and root to her. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying to be nasty at all.

I'm saying the ones who are front, honest and saying the things that they need to say that are correct for two women like no that at one at the beginning at least, is it a little hypocritical to say, okay, it's okay for her to ignore him. I didn't say it's okay, but it is okay for her to ignore him if she's not interested. She doesn't owe him anything. She doesn't even know him. I know she doesn't owe him anything. She wasn't she wasn't nasty, she wasn't rude

to him, she didn't lie to him about anything. Sometimes you just have to take the hint. If someone doesn't want to talk to you and doesn't have to want to respond to you, they did not obligated to worry you, got it? So that's all like, listen, take the clue. I'm not interested. I just didn't respond. You know it didn't work out. Get it off your chest eight hundred five A five one oh five one. If you need to vent, you can hit this up right now. Keep

a lock this to breakfast club for the morning. The breakfast club. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're man, flash from you on the breakfast club. But you got something on your mom let wilburt Hey Wilbur get it off your chests, Wilbur, Hey yourmb your bet you guys, what would you do? Call full and before? Oh yes, if you don't remember, If you don't remember, who Andy is? Andy is the guy that was willing to give palatio to get the water

into the firefest. Name is Andy King? Andy King, Andy the b J ching. I was thinking about this real horror many. It got to be hard for you to think about doing it. I'm about to suck for Travis Scott singing live again. Love My Man is a super whack all on way. So you would you would give another man filacio for Travis Scott not to sing live ever again? Hell? Yeah, bro, man yo live b yeah. I think it's safe to say you suck all the

time on the regular. You don't you know if that's your if that's your excuse for wanting to suck, bro, I think that you suck more than you letting know you like it? We love it, bro, enjoy Andre. I don't think that's a good time to say. If you like it, I love it, okay? Andre? Was something? Man? What's up? Every year? You know what's going on? You know you know it's good? Huh? From Atlanta. When you say when people say you know what's going on on?

You from Atlanta? I just assume you gay, Nah, don't do that. Don't you know what's going on? It's Atlanta? What you want to say? No, not like that world was going on like that. Let you know what's you know about eighteen? You know about to start about to uply the cops today, Georgia State today and hey, what's up? What's you're doing? Good? I like your whole I'm all like you. That's you. I what's me all? That's what's the games? The gate? All right? But you got you

have a great day. Okay. It was a pleasure talking to you this morning. It was a pleasure talking to you to have a good morning, says Chris Day. What's up? God? Damn man? What God got to do with this? Let's y'all. Do not know how much I am at this belief? Like I try to call you mother so much, Christie. You can't. You can't keep our cursing on more. That's what we don't pick up for you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My daddy was a sailor, all right, Christy, Well yeah,

let it let it out. Well, um, I'm an artist from day and all hum I go buy Christie. I'm a lusci and all I wanted was just, you know, an opinion. I want an opinion from God damage, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I want a pinion from Charlotte Magne and I want to pain from DJ mmy. I want to try to check my music out. Give me out the basement downcloud wrapper category out right now, then ahead, I'm glad I don't have to give an opinion. I'll ha edrela gir, I love you too, girl, gok ahead, rap

rap right now. Okay, but my music is a little verder. You go God, We'll believe you. We'll bleep you out the curses gave okay. Um, if you look at my purse, you're gonna think that I purch my Zone sixes, pull up on the urt shit, the licking, we swerve, No, we get to them. They're just the first to go get it. How I do is work. I don't put no man before the business. I'm getting married to get Richard. I've been leaving the more talk getting Richard. I'm just

trying to turn my next to December. I'm just trying to get prepare for the women to pull for me. Didn't get pup to you. We can't eat no more tudience for then, we can't rad no more grad persons. I grabbed out my b and told them, let's get it a lot of real names, handy, leave it to me to put off my city. Okay, now I'm gonna

be honest. You sign all right. I mean, you don't sound like nothing I've never heard before, though, you know what I'm saying with that right there, maybe you want to check out a song or two just to see what you're talking about. I gotta hear you on the beat. Now, that wasn't bad watch so I'm see. Look, I'm nervous and see I'm so scared that Charlot Ma ain't gonna say something mean to me. You got my voice shak, You got my nerves up, you know, because I was

all I practiced this in my head. I didn't plan on getting through. Well that's good. That's that's how I want people to be in there around me, to be honest with you. And secondly, secondly, I'm gonna checkut. Im gonna check it out. I'm gona check what you you gotta SoundCloud down cloud is Christie. I'm gonna Gucci. H R, I S S Y y A MG were boycotting Gucci? You stupid tag us right test tag us on social media. Okay, I will thank y'all. Look all right, Christie, I'm gonna Gucci.

All right, So I'm gonna Guci the same as regular Gucci. I don't know. Get it off your chest, keep it locked. This to Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy we are the Breakfast Claude. You got a special guests in the building. Yes, it's good to be back. Good to be back, come back. You're probably super high off life right now. I after watching d have that marvelous come back. Oh, it's a good one. It's a good one. I like

seeing other teams cry. It's pretty funny. Let's talk about the business. Yes, and I see all y'all businesses all the time. I know about you on real estate. I know about you and your juice bars. I see what you do. Obviously we share somebody together and Karen Kenny. So I mean it's really about how you evolve your own business. And now I think it's actually somewhat culturally relevant to beat business savvy, where that hasn't always been

the case. Man, That's not always been the case. We've been so busy being consumers for so long that was just all this emphasis on ownership and entrepreneurship. I'll tell you, man, when I first came out of college, I got a chance to start reading a book that really changed my life.

It was called Power Noomics by Claude Anderson. Right, none of you guys have heard about it, and uh, it's so incredible where it talks about, Hey, you know, right after Jim Crow, when everybody felt like they were doing African Americans such a service by desegregating socially, but that

was just one of the symptoms. That wasn't the cause of the issue, right, and how it should have been about the redistribution of wealth and power because the reality is that that was always maintained by Caucasian people for a very long time. So it's not until right now that we have certain African Americans that are in that

rarefied air. And there's so many times where, you know, for me going to a school like Duke and play in this game, I'm the only black person early minority in the room, in the room, and I have to be comfortable in my own skin. But then when I go back to my home, I was being called an uncle Tom or sellout because I was trying to play in that world and trying to establish myself business wise. And now I think it's cool to be smart. It's

cool to be savvy. It's cool to understand how your business works in and out, and it's cool to not let people be culture vultures and extract from our culture. And it is important when we become successful that we do things in the areas where we're from to help build up those areas. Also, like to own businesses instead of letting other people come in and own those businesses. And watching what Katie and rich Climate have done is pretty it's pretty special because you know, they've made so

many investments. They invested in Postmates, which obviously just raised another one hundred and fifty million and got you know, evaluated over a couple of billion dollars at the same time, Like, this is not a show where we're trying to sit here and pound in our chests and tell you all the different strategies you need to you know, insert into your business, Like this is a show where we're all

learning together. Right, So Katie's in the room listening to a Steve Bomber like how many times do you get a chance to And it's about access too, though, Maine. Right, we listened to a story from Steve Bomber. We're like, well, how'd you get started? He's like, well, I just happened to be next to Bill Gates at the right time. What like. So so now you're telling me, granted, you have to have a certain intellect to continue to you know, leverage your brand and build it, but it's about accessing.

It's about being around the right kind of people. You could have the Hamburger stand. We saw Bill Gates. I mean, but look, I mean that whole conversation with Steve just turned into him owning the Clippers and how they're moving to Englewood and how they're going into tax abatements and how they're building out retail around it. You're like, oh, this is like you're looking at this is a multi billion dollar business and how many minorities do we have

as far as team ownerships. Even from a woman's perspective, like Clara Sai, who is a minority owner of the Brooklyn Nets, like is out here putting in work and she's from China, and what she's doing with Justice reform, what they're doing with the nets, what they did with the liberty and buying the liberty. I mean, we need to talk about more of that so that becomes the norm and we hear other young people of minority or different ethnic backgrounds and understand that they can achieve that

same thing. That's that's the truth that you know. The one problem that we always have is we always feel like, well we give excuses too much. Oh, I don't have any money, I can't start. Oh well they got this, or I couldn't do that. And that's my problem with our people sometimes is sometimes we don't want to put into work. We sabotage ourselves exactly, well, I can't do this, I don't have the resources. Like my thing is, it's

almost like my accident. I used to say why all the time, and it's became why not me, Like, yeah, I can do it. I mean Robert Johnson started BAT with a fifteen thousand dollars loan, Like you can go to friends and scrape up money if you have the right kind of strategy in place, and you surround it with the right people. But it's also about allowing our young people to have access to the right people. So

you know, and I look, I'll own it. I think sometimes when you try to climb the ladder, you're so busy climbing, you're so busy trying to achieve that you forget to pass it forward. And now I think, watching what Lebron's doing, watching what Kad is doing, it's about like, hey, let's rise up together, like let's share, listen, let's help other people. All right, we are more with Jay Williams when we come back, so don't move. It's the Breakfast Club.

Good morning, the Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy and Jeluyee, Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We have Jay Williams from ESPN in the building. Now. The first episodes, you guys are talking about sneakers and the whole sneaker culture, which was an interesting conversation because you think about, of course, nowadays with players, it's not just how great you are on the court. It's also

more of a lifestyle thing too. It is and also even understanding the sneaker business right, And I think it's something that culturally we're into sneakers, Like, just take it another level for all the kids out there understand, like, hey, Footlocker just invested one hundred and fifty million dollars into Goat. Right. It's a secondary marketing tool for sneakers, secondary market for sneakers, right,

and it's close to a two billion dollar industry. So if you have some pairs of dope kicks, like put them on a stock X, put them on a goat, like, sell them, you can make three multiple off what you pay for because people love the culture of sports. I mean, look, I found this out about ESPN a couple of years ago, like seven years ago. We used to play heavy metal music going to break off NBA games. Right now we're playing hip hop going to breaks. Like hip hop has

become like pop music to everybody. Right, So if you have that culture, if you understand, you know the strength of it, take advantage of it, and just it comes with just doing research and doing your due diligence. How did you and Katie get a business relationship? I met Rich climbing man back in two thousand and one from a party I went to a scooter Bron. Literally we were just hanging out with method Man and next thing I know, I'm meeting Rich and we talk a little bit.

And then Scott had connected us maybe about a year ago, and we just started talking about what we do in our lives and he was like, Hey, I got this idea that I want to do with KD. We want to find a way to create a platform where we could bring all of our friends, you know, bring you guys on board, talk about what you're doing and have

conversations about how people got started. Like create a forum where people are talking about their struggles and how they start their business, you know, where they see future markets in their potential industries, and really just work together and collaborate and just create content. I mean, everybody is in this content while West space anyway, So we can be informative with the content that we create with people that are able to move the needle from a culture perspective

that's still now. We see these guys like Lebron, we see k D. Are they anomalies? Are athletes really getting smarter when it comes to business? I think athletes are really getting smarter coming to business out So you've got those people that are in the rarefied air. But I mean, look at the TV right, steals that are happening right now with sports, it was a multi it was in the double digit billion dollars that you're getting these rights to sports. So you have athletes that are making more

money than ever right now. You have guys that are marginal players, right, guys who are scoring eleven twelve points, who are signing four years, seventy five million dollars deals. Wow, and it really makes me want to come back for a ten daycome and it's just out there. So I think that the money is getting so high made that's getting to this point where it's like, all right, great, Like you just made seventy million dollars off of four years,

you know after taxes, say that's thirty five million. How are you investing that money? What kind of things are you doing with that money so you can create that long sustained wealth that we all want, we all talk about doing. But then when you see our habits, our habits are conducive to doing that because we're spending money

on frivolous stuff. But you know what I realized with a lot of players, and not just NBA, NFL, they honestly don't know, and a lot of times people around them just try to I wouldn't even say fake, they don't know either, but they just try to invest in things that they don't know, and you runs up the

money all the time. And that's what we do. We're helping a lot of players that necessarily don't know what they're doing and helping them investing properties and investing things that they'll make money for a long time down the road because a lot of them just don't know. And let me tell you how this happens though, So I would see some of my other friends get drafted, and I will also know that there's such a business behind

the business of what they get drafted. So the agents are paying money to different family members or you know, different accountants or social advisors, whatever it may be. Financial advisors, excuse me, are paying money and everybody's trying to get to the kids. So you know, as a kid, all of a sudden, now that you're about to make all this money and all these people come out of nowhere, you don't know who the hell a trust. So who

do you trust? You trust some your family members. You're looking at your family members, no clue and by the way, their hands are in your pocket because if they bring you to the table for an agent or for a financial visor, they're getting a percentage of your deals. Right, So then I'm something you're you're making those kind of decisions.

That's the foundation of how you're looking at your business. Like, we need people to start reaching out and be like, you know, it's not about I don't trust my family. You can still trust your family, but you don't know what you don't know with me. I got so many artists and athletes that call me all the time, especially about real estate, and they want to learn. And the first thing I always tell them, if you want to learn,

I want you to come with me. And the reason I say that is because I want you to see it for yourself. A lot of people just invested, they don't know what they're invested, but a lot of people don't have that innatability to want to work. So my thing is, if that is the case for you, then be smart enough to carefully invest your time in the people that you think love to work too. Then the

more you can asually say no too. You can't be afraid to fire people if somebody ain't care in their weight, like, Yo, I love you, but this is business. I gotta let you go. And I think the most important thing that everybody in this room is doing is dispensing the information because a lot of times we say that all people don't want to work, but they really just don't have an information. They don't even know why to work, you

know what I mean. So, like what you're doing with your show, and if you're doing real estate, we're giving them the information. And that's what it's about. Man, It's you know, this show for me is it's such a

bigger thing. And when I go and when I talk to kids, and this is only from my personal experience, but you know, growing up and growing up a predominantly African American in Latin neighborhood and then going to school in a predominantly white school, Like every time I would go to school wearing my kicks or wearing my pants down a little bit, I got called being ghetto. I

got called being black. And then when I went back home and I started talking about things that happened politically or things that I learned in chemistry class, I was called Uncle Tom. I was called being a sellout. So when I go on the streets, and I work with some of these kids like I want them to have informed conversations with me. I want this to be the new norm. I want you to be smart and not

be called Uncle Tom or sellout. That's the only way that we're going to change it from a foundational perspective, so we can start being in that verified air and start having these conversations to start owning our own ship. We appreciate you for joining us, man, Man, it already came out. It came out Monday, the first two or behind the paywall for ESPN on ESPN Plus. Everything's going direct to consumer now anyway, So four ninety nine per month,

which is great. And how many episodes are there? There are six episodes in total, but the first two came out. We did another one with Brian and Mad, which would be pretty cool out of air, you know, around when those two teams meet up. But I got to be a fascinating one to question. You talked about sneakers. What's the most you spent on the pat sneakers free ninety nine? He got on sneakers right now? No, No, I'm kidding and got me an that one three ninety nine, Man,

I just I just barter deals. All right, Well it's Jay Williams. Respect, It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, the cast of Black Ink Crew Chicago, Ryan Henry and Don Brumfield. What's going on? For the foremost, Don, congratulations to you for becoming a member of the Faithful

Blackmail community. Ru faithful Blackmail community. There was a lot of time coming to put that whole jersey in the rafters? What made you want to evolve, sir? I mean, honestly, man, you are you start growing? Man, You just started realizing the headaches that you create for yourself, and then you start noticing that any of your people are like a

zoodom from you. Man. Like honestly, early, like, I wasn't expecting every being on TV, you know, I want expecting to wake up and catch myself a little popular, you know, a little famous, you know what I mean? So honestly that there was a quick little transition, you know what I'm saying. I had to just learn I was kind of killing myself. I was draining myself and give myself some negative headaches. And when you look up, man, you

got beautiful children and family. You just kind of realized, like, you know, you even draining them with you know, ignorant movements and you know, being young and silly. Man. So I love to see y'all walk through it too, like to work through everything, you know, because she did stay with you, and there were times you thought it wasn't gonna work out, and she thought it wasn't gonna work out. But it's nice when she stays in. She sees the

work that you're putting in. Like, y'all, you didn't even go to Vegas, And I think part of that was, of course you had family obligations your son's birthday, but the other part of it was you don't even want to put yourself in a situation in the shoes, especially with these cameras. It's like, no, no, no, that was he was wild. It was wild. I was like, no, I'm good on that though, and just honestly for me, honestly, ever since a little snapchat situation, I've been chilling though.

Since that stuff happened, it's been over a year. Okay, see, I've been I've been faithful for two years and four months. I cut off all my side chicks two years four months ago, and your life really does get better. And what you said is real, Like you don't want to ruin your family, man, Like I saw my father rome my family because of infidelity. So I didn't want to do that to my family. You know. Well, Ryan single, so he's out. He still Ryan? Oh, man, I ain't single.

About the choice I got it, don't now. I was trying to get married to it. I had to take my brother in Valentine's dinner, the last one. I don't gonna think about the lonely man. You don't think you could possibly work that out? I don't know. Probably I'm not against it. You know, I ain't dating, like I said, I ain't holing, you know. So I was on the path to get married. I just had some you know, bumps in the road in my relationship. So what happened? You know, you know how it is, and y'all just

certain stuffy'all just can't forgive um. So so you did some dirt and she can't get over it. Yeah, you know what it was. It was. It's like with the level of being on television like when the woman is it is embarrassed more, you know. I mean I put in a position to be more embarrassed than average person, you know what I mean. So I'm naturally embarrassed. Yeah,

I didn't even I an't need this girl. It's just that, you know, for it to be, like I say, when you allow for somebody else to be on the level of your woman, that means in the level of respect, then that's worse than anything else that you could do. You know, say, I've prided myself on never letting no other chick ever come to the level of that. In the end, like I say on TV, jump out the boat and to sell the story on your ass, you know. So it's like that level of embarrassment is just he

is kind of un forgive. You got everybody, and she got everybody. Never mentioned the room ball alert. You know, don't stop saying I'm surprised y'all ain't step in and say something to Van because on this season did he So just because I know, shopman, you might not one hundred percent know what happened, but Van and has an apprentice that he ended up cheating on his girlfriend with his long term girlfriend, and I'm feeling like y'all went through these things, so why not be like, dude, not

the move. It's some deleted scenes on v H one that showed me call them stupid about a hundred times. And then I actually told her like, man, get away from him. Like you know what I'm saying, Like this man got a girl. You know, she was ultimately disrespectful. She told Yea his girlfriend that she slept with him the night of her dad's funeral. Yanks, she could have left that little detail. Yeah, that was just at that point, man. That's why I was talking about them people not on TV.

She wouldn't leave me destroy you, right, They won't that fame. They need that fifteen minutes. Yeah, and that's what we had to realize. Like people, you know, for the fifteen minutes, Bro, they do whatever, go the limits full extent. I don't want to breeze past the fact that Ryan is out here being his brother's keeper so much to the point that he told the other woman get away from my man. Devil be gone. Yeah, we gotta do to protect ourselves

and our people's man. Yeah, I mean, because it's like I mean, like I said, I'm already at a loss I'm not wa out there in Vegas, like now, I ain't that with my girl, Your girl out here and she on the way to the damn party and you know what I'm saying, this broll she they was in the Jacuzi. She hopped in JACUZI was trying to you know that she was throwing it on him, and I'm just like, man like stayed over there, yeah night, MAAG might be the only place where you could fight at

work and not get fired. What a set of black

ain't crew? I resent that only because you know what I mean, Like, um, you know how, like I said, I knowing you for longer, you know how I feel about my business and you know about my brand, and for what has become on a television show has just been some you know what I mean, some garbage to be able to say that, you know what I mean, people walked in my shop from what they see on TV and be like, hey, man with a drink set, and it's like it's a business, right and I'm there

conducting every day. So what's exuded on the show, you know, I mean, it's not what's really going on for me, you know what I mean. In the light, so that's why I opened a new shop. What you'll be seeing coming. So, um, it's a separation between you know what is what was done there before and what can go on now. Though we can yeah, I can show what I can do, but you know what everybody else is doing, what they're filming, you know what I mean? Like I said, people will

do whatever to be on that camera. You know what I mean, when it's time to fight it, when it's time to turn up, or what she thinks she got to do to secure her spot for another season. You know what I mean, which is it's literally like that, and they don't understand. It's like just because these cameras that were recording for thousands of hours, you get ten minutes later and the attention span of the people is

even shorter. You know, So what you just did to diminish yourself and my business in the same sense, it's worth more than what you're trying to show, you know. So, and they put it out there and it's like you know, when it's edited for television, you know, people, that's what cuts to commercials, that's the stuff that make people tune back in. But you know it's tarnishing my Brandy because never forget Ryan is one of the best tattooed artists.

When I press met him, he was known for doing tattoos and in Chicago, and I was like, I don't have any tattoos, as I've ever got a tattoo. I would let Ryan do it if I ever got one, because he he's like always been known for that. And when you first got on, I was like, don't have to fool I did I hit him? I said, I hit him. I sa Ryan, please don't be actually crazy on TV. Yeah, and it's got to be weird too, because a lot of confrontations and stuff probably happened only

because the cameras roll. Absolutely, but you don't know what's really it was not right, you know, people turning out, how people get lost in it, man, Like it's it's disgusting, man. Now is it good for business in the sense of like more tattoo artists want to come apply just because

it may want to be on TV? I don't know. Well, I mean most definite lists are like tattooing, it's a it's a visual business in there right now, in the climate of social media, you know what I mean, it's probably the best way to be promoted in you know network, so to be able to have an entertainment television show

shows a little bit of the boy. But what I can get through that is, you know, some of the messages about how we really some South Side do from Chicago who conduct business and we didn't stand in the streets, and you know what I mean, it's more that can be done. We got more with the cast of Black and Clue Chicago. When we come back to it, move It's to Breakfast Club. Good Morning Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy. We all the Breakfast Club.

We have the cast of Black and Crewe Chicago here, Ryan Henry and Don here. What I do love about Black in Chicago is y'all touch on some really real life issues. So we see the issues that Flour is going through and he's talking about And I actually cried when I was watching an episode. I felt so bad of him struggling with his depression and not wanting to be here and having these suicidal thoughts and then he went missing. So how is he doing now and how

did he feel when he watched that episode? My brothers, well most of us to the point we barely watched the show and stuff, damn, so I know what I'm saying, Like no, it's like, no we do chatas you don't want to relive certain moments. Something would be too hard for you to go back and watch. It was the first episode we actually watched together. Was at my shop. Who was watching it but me and don you know

what I mean? It was tough watching because he showed it in the real light, you know what I mean. He showed somebody that we love being weak and um. But what they would you know, what people would think is we you know, even that time we talked to four right afterward and he hadn't seen it, but he thought at that point you know what I mean, it was a vulnerable state from him where he was being viewed this week. But the response of the world was that it was some strength for most people, you know

what I mean. In our community or even as black men, some people will act like the depression is just the norm, you know, I mean, you should deal with it, like, especially in Chicago, is like the things that you deal with. It's like, man, you tell you get over that, you

know what I mean? As opposed to being diagnosed, so being addressed or even like I said, he allowed for so many lanes of people reaching out to be like, man, I'm dealing with it two you know, by the millions to be able to say, oh, I finally can speak on it because I see you on television, But you're dealing with something real. I'm dealing with I've been dealing with that. And then we in this erator with mental health is being spoken about in our communities like it's

never been. Yeah, that's never people sitting there videos like hey man, I was about to go today, like I was about like you literally saved the life that day. You know we can do one, you know, I mean, then that's what the purpose was for. And even with your family, you talk about the history and your own family. It's it's just tough because you know, after we had lost my little sister a couple years ago to suicide,

Ryan didn't know like I just I'm real. I'm always trying to be an advocate about mental rather's depression, rather's you know, people will suffer from anxiety, people who suffering from like you know, he just when he was young. Everything. Man, You just I think people want to look at where a person at and they never can really see the

wounds underneath. And so you know, me and Ryan have been those people that's like me, y'all stay up to five in the morning on the phone before or Ryan do the same thing, because I'd rather speak to you all night and you convince me all dayd for you to be a I took me all the time. I'll give up all of this to hit my sister's voice again, be to talk to them on the phone again. You know, that's more important. So for my for my brother to have the strength to be vulnerable to everybody know I'm

dealing with this. It allowed for everybody to come together support him, which is what he needed. And I'm just glad that my brother had the strength to come forward with it because now allows us to put in help and supporting places that he needed. You know, he's fine with being open and saying he needs to go talk to somebody a little bit more often. And he's cool

with calling us and say y'all, I'm lonely. They mean what y'all on, I want to chill when the hangou, I want to come over and see my nieces and nephews like. I love that he's doing that now because it allowed us to be that support Systel. Yeah, in that conversation, gonna change the generation because back in the day you called somebody and say something like that, man, like a little bit, you know exactly. That's whack. Brothers need people to talk to too, you know what I mean.

We need to open up and be vulnerable with each other, tell each other what we're going through on a daily basis. You know what about you guys, does that make you reflect on because Ryan, you've been through a lot yourself, you know, John, You've been through a lot. Does that make you guys reflect and say, well, maybe I need to even seek some help or somebody that I could talk to professionally, just because there is a lot of things I'm sure that you haven't completely dealt with absolutely,

you know. Like I said, I mean a lot of the things that I spoke to four on when during an episode and even during uh you know, in real life, is just the fact that like, hey, man, I know what it feels like to be in that position. I shared a story with him, you know about us situation I had been in that you know that I recognized

now was the position that he was in. You know, you can have all these people around you, and you know, even me and his brother we felt like, hey man, I've been here with you, but even having that support of somebody right next to year, you can still feel alone at whatever point. And I had felt that before. I know what it was like to feel that way all the way down, you know, when you're at rock bottom, and I think I was, well, I was in my shop, you know, I mean, feeling that same way, and it

was outside kicking it, you know what I mean. But it's like, hey, I ain't had nobody to talk to, you know what I mean? And I understood that when I've been there with him every step of the way

and he's still able to feel that way. You know, it's funny with mental health too, Like it got to be triple for y'all because you know, not only you got social media that the affecting everybody's meant to tell y'all learn reality television, so y'all opening up the opinions of other people every time an episode is how do y'all how do y'all keep y'all mental health intact? With that?

I told him, like at one point, like he seemed like I had to get back into the gym heavy just for meditation for myself, and then I even go to a wellness coach. And to be honest with you, I know that y'all watched up, but we don't have to take breaks. You know, sometimes it does get tough to media your family going through my low wife, she was going for six months with my baby, and that

was the realest time my life. I just took a break from the show, like it was hard, and Ryan do the same thing at one point, like you gotta have that outlet. I literally wasn't on the show for you know a while last year, you know what I mean. And you know, I just if I didn't reset it, I'd have been done. You know. I mean that that new level of of being attacked is something crazy, like people would think that, you know, just because you're at

a certain level, you can't be this. That's why I heard even when it's your own people that was actually coming at you too, because they did the whole yeah man, Ryan Henry campaign. Yeah, they did an f Ryan Henry campaign. When I left my shop, and you know what I mean, the people that were still there, they took it over, and you know, it was just a whole, you know, Gryan, Henry, this, that and the other. And that's just like even though like I said, now you'll see moving forward as things

have changed, like I said, I ain't forget you. That is yeah, I mean it comes that. It come from you know what I'm saying, being with people who you've worked with that I hurt, you know what I mean. They was hurt. I was hurt, you know what I mean.

So I just I knew at that point I had to, uh, I had to retract because while they were saying for me, I couldn't say coming back, you know what I mean, because when it was time to move forward, you know what I mean, I didn't want to have to to apologize for but they were just going off the deep end. So you know, you got to take that in strike. Now, Charmaine gonna still be a celebrity concierge for you guys.

I don't see one person she is CYNC. She planned a trip to Vegas and they look, I don't know, you know, I don't I don't think having a you know, a fight at a convention and you know what I mean, a mental situation mental word in a situation on your hands is you know a plus for you in that job. So what about the word bitch because on the last episode, this fight broke out because of the side bitch comment

that was made. Is calling another guy or using the word bitch to another guys that grounds to start a fight? Is that if you if I call you, I'm trying to do something to it. Like it's people who do that. I don't play with the word like that. I don't play with it with my friends, you know what I mean, Like my daddy can't call me, know like, I don't. I don't play with that word. It's not even to be played. Why would I disrespect you in that sense?

I could have thought of something else, you know. So that's how I feel about something money. Yeah, just so people play like this, It's just like I don't play like that, So you know what I mean. When people saw my homie Junior calling, you know why he said that, you know what I mean? And if he ran up on Junior after that, like the Junior had to be playing for that what he was, man, my boy, he knew why you well, I knew why I said it.

At that point. It was it was it was a lot going on that was big and yeah a lot that like in that second white he was there and I get it first time on TV in the room full of guys. He won't want to seem like he was acting very like it was being I think like like I tell people all the time, like, man, really to recognize real you walk to anna be itself or you know what I'm saying, Muna, people gonna gravitate to you. They could tell if you we tell you a goof,

you're not just be yourself. And I'm telling you, man, social media is making everybody socially awkward because they're still used to talking to people like that on social media and they don't know how to interact more people in person. You really send it out a tweet? You know what I mean? Are you and the Brumer somebody on your computer right now? We face the face bro like man, you know what's you know? Every action got a reaction? Man, that was We got more with the cast of Black

and Creue Chicago. When we come back, don't move. It's to breakfast clubs. Good morning right now morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, the guy. We all the breakfast club we have the cast of Black and Creue Chicago here Ryan Henry, and Don here Yan. People were excited that you had your shirt off on this last episode. Did a whole article about it. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it yesterday about that priest was So I was telling him, I'm like, uh so, just being in my position, like

I said, you know with me how I am. I'm a provider and I'm a protected you know, especially when it comes to women. There were women in the shop, and regardless of what they went over there to say to him, his mouth was already bleeding and he spit blood in her face. So when he did that, like, man, you know, my sisters have been killed by feel like you know what I mean. At that point of a woman being in harm, I was just at red, you

know what I mean. So for some reason I thought, all right, is blood, let me not get it on my white sweater, as if my skin was better to get it on. So, you know, because you look like he fight after you fight, and then it's blood all of you, you look crazy, you know, I mean, especially you get a white tea on. So yeah, that's what I don't know why I was just like, let me

take that off. And in just we had been in a gym like crazy for those those couple of months, so you didn't see any episode of us like anything we do, like women getting touched the space as well. We don't play point. We were getting some backlash from people like, oh, man, y'all jumped from y'all this. It's like when he first ran up on Junior there was a one on one live in these women's face. Everybody hit you up that. I mean, all systems go when

the women are. I mean, if I'm messing with you and I put my hands on you, if your father, your brother, and your uncle come to me up, they're not wrong, right, know what I mean, I'll do it all over again. I told him. I talked to him, and I told him like, hey, man, I didn't want that harm to come to you, you know what I mean, Like, I'm sorry, didn't have to happen to you, but you knew you was in the wrong. Right Is he understanding? Was he he was understanding of it? He knew what

it was. Do you feel like the crew is stronger now? I think yeah. You know what, for the basis of the people who originally started we are you know what I mean, but I mean it's other entities is included into that, you know. I mean people have come into the show. Uh, they've been staying and um, you know they caused riffraff, you know, so uh as a whole unit for the cast. Um, it's not as strong egos and involved now, you know what I mean. People are

five seasons in on the number one successful show. They feel away, you know what I mean. So some people can't be talked to, some people can't be told nothing. Some people feel like, man, you know that Superstar is crazy. At that point, it's like, all right, let me just stick back with my originals, you know what I mean. Again, we'll see what else happened with everybody else if you

can last. But I mean, one thing is just like if you've seen even in that that was so one thing is this, like, man, we're gonna round for each other regardless whatever the situation. We're gonna have always have each other back. We're coming together and learning the process.

And I think, you know, I'm proud of my brother Ryan for doing his research on what we need to do to be fully successful while having this experience and then after the whole point is learning the longevity of utilizing this platform so that we all are able to look back on and say, at least we didn't go through all that bullets that came out of it at the end. All right, you know, I mean you just opened up another shop. So yeah, just open a new

shop actually on a fifth of January. You know, so this separate from the show, you know what I mean, Like it's all in my hands, you know what I mean. We got more shops coming, you know, me and Donn are working on some other things, you know what I mean, just going into so many different lanes of investable I like taking my kids to school in the morning, going to work for a little bit, and then being with them once I pick them up for the rest of

the day. Damn. So life, greatest salute do you Ryan? It dumb? And I love what you'll stand for. Man, Yeah, no more naked videos and nothing. Oh man, I'm cooler, man, I don't. I'm good, like I swear like it. Just take a moment, man, It's just like it hits you like a light bulb and sometimes to take the worst things and like that happen for you to realize like you just got change or you're just gonna be in a like a down spiral. I'm just to that place

where I have to protect my family. That's the first thing I am a husband, father, son, you know, a brother to be in order to protect my people, I gotta be on point at times. That's dope. That's nice. Man, is part of the fitful black mail community. I'm going I enjoy. I enjoy arguing about who picking up the kids today, but you know who cooking a night. That's cool. You know, I'm cool with them. Arguments, man, all the

other stuff for the birds. And I know you feel responsible for your dad now too, and it's nice to him to be in that loving environment with the family. Man. It's real because like my dad has always been like a strong man to me, Like I was that kid who literally saw his dad a superman. I love my dad, man, And for him to be going through what he's going through, through the losses we took. He lost his mother at first, he lost my uncle, uncle durl and then my grandmother

passed who grieving over losing her son. So for my dad to lose some of the most important people in his life, like back to back, and it was it's just like he never just kind of bounced back from it, and he felt almost responsible. And sometimes that's how people are. We feel responsible when for our people when to take a long time for us to heal from it. And that's just one of my dad that he had a

healing point. And I just want to see him be great and be around for his grandkids, teach them the things he's taught me, and be a part, you know, just being around. He loved these guys. He loved my dad is. My day is like a life of a part of me. Here, come in and kick it, crack jokes. He's a great person and it's just tough. Like I'm just glad my dad is able to admit to me too. Like, man, So I'm going through it and I need you Jo. I'm fine being film. I'm find being for anybody at

this point in my life. So Season six on the way immediately, immediately we will be done with five and about you know, a few weeks. We need to come on to Wednesday day. Wednesdays lady too busy, man, I'll be trying. Man, I can't do it. I'm like season six, yeah, man, thank god Ryan got head now yeah yeah, but when day h one time nine ninety Central, right, and this season has been amazing. So I just want to say

congratulations to y'all, thank you so much. Appreciate that. Or Black and Crew Chicago, Ryan Henry and Don Broomfield, thank you for coming, Bron. We're gonna start this thing over wanting. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela, Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. If you want to sland to the Breakfast Club, call us right now. Hello, who's this? This is Miss Friday Angela. We love y'all, Evy, y'all

love you too. But Envy, I've got to let you know from your social media, we all see how you've been getting money, and we respect the hustle. But the piers they were a little counting and rustlings to other people that are not out here getting it like you. I would have Russ. You showed us ways in different things other than slipping their houses, on how to get back and take care of our family for the communities.

Also easy. You seem to be a little biased, like you're riding this Cardi B Trained, but she show Nikki no love. I love Nikki. I love Cardi B. Too, but I do If you follow my Instagram, you see that I talk about my toys for my toy drive, I talk about the Thanksgiving drive that I do in the mentoring and I also try to help people to learn how to make money, not just put money in their face. I do the real estate. I do a

whole bunch of things. So if you would follow me and stop looking at that, maybe you see other things. I'm waiting for that, she says a lot of I knew the beige was gonna come out. I know I'm trying to teach you. If you're just listening, I'm trying to teach you. I was waiting for the Beige raised to make an appearance. That's funny to you. It's hilarious. Day Trio Da is in the building representing Virginia. Morning, Good morning. You want to sland the ye You know,

every time I hear yeaths, I think ye. I think the heath. I hate the name. I can deal with Angela. She didn't Angela. She didn't make that name. Mamma. And by the way, you eat yeast every day, she has the yeast infection. Ye be sensitive to her. Okay, clearly she has the east infection. Her name sounds itchy, and I just hate it. I tease my name to Angela Minustad, that Angelamanus, that left wall of hers. It's so crazy right now, So you gotta be you sense it called appropriate? Andrew, Hey,

good morning. Who you want to slander, sir? DJV, I gotta slander you were real quick. I got a problem with, like, how insecure you are? Well, Angela goes on vacation, rate you do you do the rumor report. When Charlott Magne goes on vacation, you let the community do don't the other day, But when you go on vacation, you still try to do that. Dj MV. You should let me do it. Ye make people's choice. Why don't you want somebody else to do this? Yeah? A couple of times

and he actually dead here. Yeah, you're right. I'm insecure. I'm not gonna let nobody compare and do my mix. A matter of fact, I don't even want to give somebody that that sort. I don't want anybody to think about it. Roberto, what's p damn? What's going on? What's happening in? What's happening in an slay that today day? We gotta talk k K listen. You say you deleted everything R Kelly from your computer? See Poppy, So you deleted stepping the name of love? Yes, see see everything

all Telly because the songs are negative. See. I cannot support him anymore. He's a don't do that fake accident. I'm gonna have to slay to you. Did you delete Maxwell Fortunate? He wrote and produced that? Did you delete Life? Produced and wrote that too? You're not listening, Sammy, So so you're not listening. If you're gonna delete R Telly, you have to delete the whole laptop, my friend, because what have you played lately? That's positive? What's song in

your laptop right now? That you played that? He's positive? Lamar, we got you, Lamar, what's song right now? I know a song? I can I can name a song. He played that with positive. Smile, bitch, smile, you need to smile. You're too angry. Hey, going back and forward, I'm living my best time. And make sure you're tell him to watch you'all for Florida. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida. Yes, you are a donkey, a Florida man, a chap and ATM for

a very strange reason. It gave him too much money. Florida man is arrested. I can definitely say he's riggs the door to his home and an attempt to elect your hit his clidet's life. Police arrested in Orlando. Man. We're talking of La to breakfast club. Bitchy donkey here to day with charlom Haining the guy. I don't know why y'all keep letting him get y'alllected well, I'll do already, keep letting me get him like this because they keep

doing things like this, all right. Donkey today goes to a substitute teacher at a school and Sarah so to Florida named Heather Carpenter. Now it's twenty nineteen and nothing has changed when it comes to the Sunshine State. If you're new to the Breakfast Club, my name is Charlomagne the guard, a uncle Charlot. And what did your uncle Charla always tell you? The craziest people in America come

from the Bronx in all of Florida. And this Donkey of today is just the fresh reminder of twenty nineteen. Got Florida gone Florida. Now, Heather Coppenter, like I told you, as a substitute teacher. For whatever reason, she had a dispute with the school's principle. Heather was allegedly upset to the school's principle was set to have a birthday party at a particular venue. The venue in question was the

pavilion in Erfa Park. Now, I don't know what Heather has against the principle or the principal's daughter, but Heather, a substitute teacher, decided to be a party pooper. Literally, let's go to Fox thirteen for the report. Police. All eight of these picnic tables here at Erfur Family Park had to be replaced after a woman spread human waste and fecal matter all over the wood as a form of payback. Let's mixture of urine and feces, and she

had it in a big cup. The nasty vandalism costs the county more than twenty three hundred dollars for cleanup, replacing tables and grills, and reimbursing and rescheduling a birthday party set for the pavilion later that morning. It only to the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office a few days to track down and arrest Heather Carpenter. The forty two year old is charged with felony criminal mischief. Turns out, Carpenter

is a substitute teacher at Philippi Shores Elementary School. According to arrest paperwork, Carpenter wasn't happy with how the principle handled a professional complaint she made. At the end of November, the Sarasota woman admitted to investigators she smeared the feces with the goal of spoiling the birthday party planned at the park that day. The celebration was for the principal's daughter. Official say Carpenter is no longer a substitute and can't

volunteer at any district schools. Well, this investigation is active. You think Heather was with the sugar honey iced teas. Okay? Now, I have a homeboy who shall remain nameless, who used to have a real problem beating people up. So he went to angle management as part of his probation for beating people up. So whenever he wanted to beat people up, instead he would resort to fighting with pieces. What I mean by that's wax is crazy. I didn't say him.

What I mean by that is if he had a beef with someone, he would cut your cars he opened and put ankleberries in the cushions, or he might go on your house and put a couple of chocolate delights in your sneakers. I remember it is I remember he had an issue with his next door neighbor, and the next door neighbor's roommate, you know, let him in the house. So my guy put butt truffles in the neighbor's couch cushions.

What's a butt truffle turd? Never understood why the roommate was down with that, because he had to live there too. All right, tomorrow of the story is it's just some real live turn terrorists out here, and Heather Carpenter is

clearly wanted them. My thing is, Heather, you got beef with the principle, why resort to attacking the kids, Because that's essentially what you were doing about spreading button mud all over the picnic tables and grills at this part, none of the adults were gonna be affected by these rusty nuggets. I mean, sure, you put some rector warriors on the grills, so that means everybody's burger would end up getting fudge. Babies on them. But why do that

to the kids? Okay, what is something else to r Uncle Charla always tells you never go to war with someone who gives an f less than you, And clearly, Heather Carpenter don't give an f anyone can get it, man, women and children. If she got beef with you, then all of y'all getting butt beans, all right, everybody at this party gonna get all the fanny fud. You can eat chocolate bananas for everybody, simply because I got beef

with one person. I'm telling you don't go to war with somebody who gives an f lest than you, especially erect the warrior. Now Heather has been charged with third degree felony mischief in property damage, and there's no way she can be in population with other prisoners because what if this tird terrorists decided to let a bunch of frightened turtles loose in a prison. Did you really want

a corn massacre in one of these correctional facilities? Think about it, Florida, Please give Heather carbon to the biggest he are. I don't want to hear your question. Now I got a question so for her to carry in your guys, your friends, you know, terd terrorists. So he does he does he poop on the floor and pick it up. Never asked if it was human fisis. It could have been dog fisis. I don't know what kind of fisis it was was using. Come just cars like

do you just pick out? Know what kind of feasts Heather was using? Okay, you know what I'm saying, just assumed. I'm just assuming it's hers. I just need to pick it up or are you going to toilet? And I'm just saying, if you got to go to a prison, you know what I'm saying, And that's your weapon of choice. You always got someone Jack, I always got someone day right, I'm pretty regular at of fact eight thirty this morning. If anybody and he turned terrorists need something, holler at me.

I got it for the low. My goodness. Um, let me see what I had. Well last I had fish for dinner. This morning, I had my regular approach. Should always look at this, figure out how well you're doing as far as your diet. I never looked at my pool. That's got to make sure it looks normal. Texture. All right, guys, the breakfast club back you're checking out the World's most dangerous morning show. Morning Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemane the guy. We all the breakfast Club. We got

a special guest in the building, Michael Eric Dyson. Good brother, Michael Eric. Damn man, it's good to be up here with y'all. See, you got a nice little book in your hand. You just handed it to me, and now I'm sou I don't want to start reading it. No, man, this thing is off the hook. Veronica Chambers as an extraordinary woman. She did that book, that edited book collection essays on Michelle Obama that did so well last year, and then this new book, Look, it's hot off the press.

It ain't even out yet. They come out next month called Queen Bee, a celebration of the power and creativity of Beyonce Knows Carter and I got an essay in there all right, called the King of Popping, the Queen of Everything. And my argument is that Beyonce snatched the crown from Michael Jackson. I saw him at his height. I don't know if y'all went to his concerts and saw him at his height, but I did not, and he was extraordinary. It's a genius but what she's doing

is on another level. I'm on record as saying I think that she's a better performer than Michael Jackson. But I you know, I didn't see Michael in contract. But I just compare, like, you know, the Black Michael at the super Bowl to Beyonce at the super Bowl, Motown twenty five, the Big Cheller, Like I just compare those type of things, and I'm like, I just think she's better on stage. She she absolutely is. I did see them at their height. Since you said that she took

the crown from Michael Jackson. When you think about all this Finding Neverland controversy with this documentary that HBO is going to show about Michael Jackson, Yeah, you know, it's tough, isn't it. Michael was a great icon, an extraordinary genius. Nineteen fifty eight, Madonna, Prince, Michael Jackson. I mean, happens to be my year too, but I ain't putting myself in their league. Just extraordinary creativity was born in that year.

And yet we know that Michael had tremendous traumas did he have videlago, certainly in terms of his skin and melanin, but he also had self hatred because his father deposited that in his subconscious he didn't think he was very handsome, or he told him he was ugly and he chided him, and then Michael began to have spooky European ideals transplanted onto his face. Was he involved with children, That's what the documentary says. Those two guys when they were younger

said it wasn't true. But we know what happens when you're younger and you're seduced and the hypnotics way of fame and celebrity may preclude you from telling the truth, or your parents got bought out and then they sold you out. All of that is true, but think about it, hanging out with kids like that at that age. It ain't. It ain't something that we would recommend. It's not something that we would do for our own kids. It ain't. And if it is normal, it's pathological. So the thing

is we have to be open and honest. It's hard to reckon with the flaws of our great heroes, and all of us as human beings are flawed. But we got to go where the evidence, you know, tracks us. But that's important where the evidence tracks us because we're living in a me too generation. That is extremely important in terms of reckoning with the flaws, especially of toxic masculinity, of poisonous patriarchy, and how men have had free, if you will, free ways to do everything that we do

that are often messed up and jacked up. At the same time, you can't just have an allegation and your career is done. You can't just disappear after somebody said something. You know the mantras out now believe women, and I understand what that means. That means that women who have historically been not acknowledged, have been denied, have been delegitimated in a culture that refuses to acknowledge their humanity or that the words they say are true, or to take

at face value what they mean. I get that. At the same time, you know, it doesn't mean that people haven't been in complicated situations where nuance is called for. Believe people who tell the truth, because whether man or woman, and we know that's very complicated. Believe black people. Yeah, believe black people who tell the truth. And when we have the state of evidence here now that you can merely make an allegation and somebody disappear, I think that's problematic.

I don't think that's the best ideas of feminism. I think feminism is height Now. I know a lot of people who think that's controversial. I don't think so at all. Feminism is about the recognition of women. It's about putting forth the principle of emancipation for human beings who happen to be women. And it's dealing with gender as the predicate for our social examination of issues that continue to be shunted to the priphery or deny legitimacy in our

own lives and socially speaking. But at the same time, you can't use me too as an adjudication of competing claims about good dates or bad dates. It can't resolve horrible sex. It can't resolve the fact that it's complicated. I am sixty years old. I have never in my life asked a woman to have sex. Now. I know affirmative consent has developed because now we're living in an era where people have to say something explicitly, but there

are other manifestations of consent rather than verbal. But I think we have gotten off the rails here by not grappling with the nuanced, complicated ways in which sex and eroticism and romance get involved. So we've got to figure out a way to acknowledge the context of sex. If you want to be nuanced about anything in this country, it's got to be sex. But let's not ten ween in the age we are now, and that a different

age prevailed not long ago. Do we have amnesty? Do we say, hey, rules used to be this way, not even unchanged up. Now we're retroactively going back and holding people of accountable for now. Don't get me wrong here, not for explicit sins, not for problems, not for legally challengeable activities and behaviors that should be held to the highest account. But when we're talking about nuance and interpretation, do you like it? Do you not like it? No

means no period. And yet in the interaction between men and women, many people who turn people down twenty five times and not married with three kids. Right, that's the kind of reality of sex that we're not seeing taken in a serious fashion, in a nuanced way in the broader public discourse about that. I know we got off

of that on the Michael Jackson thing. But the Michael Jackson thing to me is about nuance and complication and being willing to face up to the flaws of our iconic figures and at the same time seat their humanity and then figure out what to do from now. You said a lot of three things. I want to say. Number one, I agree. I think you should listen to everybody,

listen to all women, but believe all proof too. I think the Michael Jackson thing is unethical only because those guys did you don't understand and say, hey, nothing happened, and they said that all through their adulthood. Even the God's mom said he really even said in Ape Michael. And Third, yes, we're not acknowledging that culture has changed. We grew up in and told me today the eighty to nineties was totally different than now, with language, with action,

everything right. So I'm saying that you can't both assert the necessity of the agency of human beings, especially women, as agents of their own sexual desire, and then deny that agency when it comes time to talk about culpability and responsibility and mutuality. So it is important that we encourage women when there's bad behaviors to be able to feel that they have power to speak about it and that they will be supported because I still see when

women say things, people don't believe them. They think that they're just trying to, you know, get some cloud off of saying something. So it is different time for women who and think about the women who still won't come forward, that's still it's too scared to do that. I think those numbers are far greater than somebody that will say something like, oh I dated him and I had buyers with Morse the next day. But what I'm trying to say,

I agree with everything you just said. I'm not denying the legitimacy of women having the voice now to come forward. The reality is is that we are not We cannot resolve the infinite complexity of human relationality and the intimate relations of sex with a resort to a kind of all or nothing approach. And I think that's part of the problem. We got more with Michael Eric Dyson. Where we come back, don't move is to breakfast Club, Goal

Morning Yea. Where back is the breakfast club dj N v Angeluee, Charlemagne the guy we have Michael Eric Diyson in the building. What do you think about this era's cancel coach and mentality? I love young people. I ride with him. I write books about here by bud canceling. That's some white supremacist notion to me. First of all, you can't cancel nobody. You ain't got no subscription to a magazine or a credit card. You ain't canceling nothing.

And if you want to cancel something, cancel Donald Trump. How idiotic is that? Because you can't cancel Trump. He's there politically, He's an existential and empirical fact that you can't dismiss because I'm done with you read the hand. Digital culture cannot deal with analog realities, it seems to me, and an analog reality here is there are persistent social facts and features of our existence that have to be

dealt with. I want to say that again. Digital coaching can't handle analog facts sometimes, I mean, and that's what the deal is, right, because here we are we canceling. There were some analog canceling going on too. I mentioned Malcolm X, who was murdered by people who were intolerant of his viewpoint canceled him. Now, now, young people will tell me that's a metaphor. But the metaphor to me is wrought. It's it's it's it's not only is it flawed.

I think it's it's it's it's especially flawed because it borrows from the very logic we want to oppose. Right, white supremacy wants to cancel people out, hang you, let you castrate, you remove, you, cancel, no argue, put them in a in a moral box, and say this is problematic. Let's resist them. But the impulse to cancel, to me is borrowed from the very people we want to resist.

This cancel culture. You're canceled, You're done. I'm just tired of the intolerance that young people show, especially young black people, and trying to cancel each other. And then somebody gonna cancel your black ass. You're trying to cancel somebody, Then you're gonna be to cancel lead, and then what's gonna happen? Then a great a man to steal said, cancel coach is real, but redemption coaches should be real as well. Well,

it is real as well. But the cancel culture to me and canceled he's saying, I'm just saying to cancel. But first of all, you can't cancel somebody. What does that even mean? You can't cancel somebody? Right? You can't even cancel your bills. You can't even cancel the people living with you. What you should be saying is I will put you in a particular situation where I hold you accountable. I want to resist you. I think you're problematic.

You can't even cancel Donald Trump because I think the logic of canceling is derived from a white supremacist culture that believes that human beings are subject to our arbitrary will and caprice. And I think that's more deep than that. It's deeper than that. I think that's what makes people evolved to when you when you when you hold them accountable, and you say, look, I'm gonna hold you accountable. I want you to think about the things that you don't

think about the thing that you said. If that person really cares, I think that's what growth happens, of course, because otherwise, look, I'll tell you what cancel culture is. Young kids second third grade getting kicked out, life folk canceling them every day, right, cancel, throwing them out of school. Wait a minute, Johnny messed up, little killed you messed up, Chanique, were messed up. But can they get some redemption? Little little Johnny is little Sally is getting redemption. They ain't

getting canceled. They're getting sent to not even probably to delinquents, you know, to delinquency or putting in a situation in a classroom where they are held separate from the other class they are being talked to, they are being putting put in time out. Negroes believe time out means the time I knock you out for what you did wrong

and the time you wake up that's time out. So the reality is we've got to understand more complicated ways and approaches, because, yeah, canceling somebody to meet borrows from the logic the very people that we hold as enemies or that our enemies to the process of development and evolution. So yeah, we're canceling our young kids. And look at the result of that. What do you think about, you know, US canceling super Bowl halftime and US canceling Gucci and

Product and Mount Clary. See the super Bowl half time to me is complicated. Let me tell you why. I think when jay Z refuses to go, that's huge. When Rihanna refuses to go, that's huge. And I think they should stand with their principles and I stand with them. Right, jay Z is a friend of mine. Love him, love his consciousness, love his commitment of conscience to our cause, and refusing to participate was a huge statement. Travis Scott now so much. Travis Scott doesn't do it. The next

need grow up. We'll stand in that place. Right. So the thing is, or people want to cancel Gladys Knight Last Night is seventy four years old, recognize her game, Recognize what she's meant to this culture. Midnight Train to Georgia,

Go get Farah. Jasmine Griffin's book Who Set You Flowing to look at her examination of immigration, Native Black and black migration narratives and how the music in part set the terms for our own self understanding, and that The thing is is that when when you think about canceling Gladys Knight, she's women, even if you think she made

a mistake. I didn't agree with the statement she made about the anthem that I didn't agree with that, but I agree with the fact that Gladys Knight is such a huge figure who should be seated legitimacy right TB. I believe women to what women do we believe? What do we believe Gladys Knight? Do we believe Canada's owns. She's a black woman too, right. So the thing is, we got we got to test the durability of their

truth and the insight that they bring. Gladys Knight is a seventy four year old black woman who was fought before some of these people were born. She got she got the cash, She got the cash, she got the you know, she got the rigorous testimony to what she has been committed to. So and plus, Atlanta is a black city with a black mayor. Right. Meek Mill was there that weekend talking about criminal justice reform. It's complicated.

There are multiple streams of resistance. Third good Marshal. It was in the courts, Martin Luther King Junior was in the streets. What happened to the inside outside, And everybody can't be the point guard. Somebody got to be the forward, somebody got to be the center. We got to have multiple strings unconscious. But when black people cancel I canceler you because I disagree with your style and your route, I think that's problematic. It doesn't mean that they are

black people who sell us out. There are many of them. Clarence Thomas Ben Carson, Right, we can talk about that but others would say, wait a minute, let's be more cautious about saying that. But I don't believe in canceling them. I don't believe in eradicating them. I believe in engaging them. If we can talk to white supremacists across the table, Martin Nuther King Junior sat down and negotiated, what white supremacists you mean? We can't do the same thing for

our brothers and sisters. We have to cancel you out. So now you're telling me we can't disagree with each other while saying I hate you, I think you are so wrong. Look, I can disagree with you, I can think you're wrong, but I don't have to hate you. I don't have to cancel you. So I think when we look at the Super Bowl, that was a far more complicated affair than we made it to be. And look look at what happened entered the nisin squabbles. So Colin Kaepernick my man whom I love, and Eric Reid

my man whom I love. Right, Eric Reid got into a fight rhetorically ideologically with Malcolm Jennings. Malcolm Jennings is doing the work in Philadelphia. He's talking about criminal justice reform. He's talking about cash balls, He's speaking about the ways in which the system of justice for black people is fundamentally flawed, and using his resources, took one hundred million dollars right that group of his players, fellow players from the NFL, to say we're going to leverage this in

defense of our practices. How but that's what I'm saying. They feel like Malcolm sold them out. But Malcolm, this is my point about the cancel culture about to sell out language. Right, Martin King Junior was called to sell out? Did he sell us out? Let me think? I think he didn't. But at the time, people thought that, why can't we do both hands? Why can't we say, Malcolm do this, Martin do this, Fanny lew Hammer do this,

Ella Baker do this, we all do it together. How come you can't do something somebody else can't do something I can't do some Then we say, look, we're dealing with the same elephant as many parts of us, and yet we are so intolerant. Why because we are so desperate, we are so traumatized. Any expression has to represent all expression. One film, you know what you didn't do in that film? And neck grow it's one film, right, so I think

that we have to have an open mindedness. We want to sit around on the sidelines casting stones at people rather than building together and doing something we think is affected. We got more with Michael Eric Dison where we come back, don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. Yep, we're back. It's the Breakfast Club. DJ Envy Angela, Ye, Charlemagne the guy. We have Michael Eric Diyson in the building. I got

a couple more questions yet here. What do you think about all the backlash that Kamala Harris's receiver. I mean, she was on the Greatest Show in America yesterday, a couple of days ago, the Breakfast Club where she broke it down. I mean this is an example of what I'm talking about. Kamala Harris been black from the Getty up. Ain't nobody course she'd been black. She was black and fine. She was black and intelligent. She was black and showing

up doing her thing. And whether you agree with or not, had nothing to do with her blackness, is with her ideology. Maybe you disagree with the politics she has, that's fine, but don't question the black name, right, the same people that want to hold black people to account in this generation council culture and with the me too, which is

extremely important. Ain't saying nothing about the passage in Michelle Obama's book where she went a whole hog against Jeremiah Wright in one of the most misrepresentative pieces of literature we've seen in the last five years. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't agree with that either, because it's like they loved Jeremiah right at one point, but when it became bad for business politically, they wanted to stand to the side.

I didn't. I don't like that. I'm white still doing that in the book like y'are not selling a billion copies. I love Michelle Obama, right, but Michelle Obama gratuitously assaulting Jeremiah Wright is offensive in the nth degree. But where's the cancel culture? Cancel Michelle? Are you gonna cancel Michelle or a lot you're gonna cancel Michelle? Or they don't know that that digital error don't know about Jeremiah right.

Let's say that's my point. Something you just said don't know and ain't and ain't trying to know and ain't trying to ax what they don't know. This is my problem with digital culture. On the one hand, it's brilliant. It puts an entire library at your keystroke. That's the genius of digital culture. And no more encyclopedias. Remember we all have en cyclopedias at home. But see but then the browsing is cut off. So when you go to

the car calog you're looking for the book. Oh, I was looking for Charlotte Mayne's book, but I discovered dj Every's book. I discovered Angela Ye's book. You know, I discovered something else because I was looking. And I think again the illusion of omni competence that the digital culture gives you it believed. It makes you believe because I can will the keystroke, I can say something Ooh, I said something bold, and I can cut somebody out, or

I can I can, I can shade them. Look at the shades of meaning, not the shade you can give Facebook. I had to face the book and read it. Look at the digital errors genius, but look at its subversion of tradition and apprenticeship. There is no sense of apprenticeship that you can't have it. Now, everybody shouldn't be famous.

Everybody shouldn't have a platform. Everybody doesn't have the capacity to speak well at a particular time, and we should acknowledge that just because you have access to that particular forum doesn't mean you got something profound to say. Should it democratize expression so that people that you want to rule out have something to say? Absolutely, But you gotta have the bona fidays, you gotta have the chops, you gotta have the ability once you get in to show

you deserve to be there. Back to your point about Kamala Hairs, it's ridiculous. Judge her based upon her performance, Judge her based upon her politics, Judge her based upon what she will or will not do. But to dismiss her is not being black enough. We've haven't been down there. Well, we hadn't been there and done black before. Let's figure out more complicated than nuanced ways to engage a figure

like Kamala Hairs. What should the black agenda? Because a lot of people are saying, we're not even thinking about voting in twenty twenty if these candidates don't have a black agenda, Okay, just get what you already got here, right, Look, look, look talking about the black left. I'm part of the black left. I had huge arguments with the black left last election. Ain't no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump?

How you like it? Now? Are you telling me that you don't think as flawed as Hillary Clinton was, as problematic as you thought she was? That Hillary Clinton was no different than Donald Trump. This is the trauma and problem and tragedy of so much of our politics. And again for younger black people getting involved, it didn't turn out my way. Welcome to the world. You gotta fight again.

This ain't Jesus versus Muhammad, right. This ain't no pure ecstasy of divine appropriation of human form to express identities. These are flawed human beings who are jacked up like you and I are, but some less so than others, and some with better policies than others. We have to make them accountable to our interests. The black agenda should be what crime? Criminal justice reform is huge, The persistence of poverty is huge in this country. Voters suppression. Let's

not ask Kamala Harris how black she is. Let's ask what policy she has to combat voters suppression in this country. We will never have perfect politics, but we have to understand the need to get involved in the game. And if we laid back with that same attitude. Look at the last election, people were putting in harambee and filling in the blank of something just to be voting for protests. This is what the right wing understands. You ain't just

voting for Trump, You're voting for the Supreme Court. Look how ingenious they were. There are now probably three choices that Donald Trump will have to shape that court. And if you don't think that makes a difference in your life, you are sadly mistaken. This is why it's extremely important for young people to get involved and for us to continue to vote. You ain't gonna never have no perfect candidates, but you got to be perfectly engaged in the process.

What did Grace Jones say? I may be perfect, but I'm perfect for you. That's what we gotta That's the attitude we have to have when it comes to voting in this country. Man, Well, thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure. Michael Michael, Eric Dyson, Baby, please bills to pay kids. Some people are uncancellable. Thank you, love your breakfast club, good morning wanting everybody is DJ Envy angela Ye, Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.

It's Black History Month when we're doing five people. Today's Black History Month moment is courtesy at The Fresh Prince of bel Air. It's one of the greatest scenes in TV history. It showed us that Will Smith could really, really act, and if you are a deadbeat father, it made you want to get your act right and be there for your churn. This is when Will Smith's father left him for what seems like the nineteenth time on The Fresh Prince of bel Air. This is a Black

History Month moment. I'm sorry, you know, if there was something that I say, you know you ain't gonna do no, not knuckle Phil. You know, ain't like I'm still five years old. You know, ain't like I'm gonna be sitting up every night asking my mom when's daddy coming home? You know who needs him. He wasn't there to teach me how to shoot my first basket, but I learned didn't and I got pretty damn but as two didn't, Uncle Phil got through my first day without him right.

I learned how to drive, I learned how to shave, I learned how to fight without him. I had fourteen great birthdays without him. He never even sent me a damn car will Now you know what, Dona, Phil, I'm gonna get through college without him. I'm gonna get a great job without him. I'm gonna marry me a beautiful honey, and I'm having me a whole bunch of kids. I'nna

be a better father than he ever was. And I sure it's held on needle for that, because they're a damn thing he could ever teach me about how to love my kids. Uncome, you don't want me, man. That was a Black History Month moment brought to you by the Breakfast Club. There's no way you can watch that scene and your eyes don't water up. If you a

full blown cry is gonna make you cry. The same thing when Ricky gets shot in the Backing Boys in the Hood, when Mufasa dies in the Lion King, and when Thomas j Gets stung by all those bees in my girls, those three things and Will Smith right there guaranteed to make my eyes water without question. All right, well, thank you for that Black History Month at the moment. Now when we come back, positive notice to Breakfast Club. Good morning, all right, cool morning, everybody is DJ Envy,

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