¶ The Bootstrapers Guide to Logistics
Hello and welcome to the Bootstrapers Guide to Logistics , the podcast highlighting founders doing it the way that doesn't get a lot of attention . We're here to change that by sharing their stories and inspiring others to take the leap . It's a roller coaster ride that you might ultimately feel . That's when I kind of knew I was onto something .
It was very hard .
It truly is building a legacy . The more life you live , the more wisdom you have . As we are where we're supposed to be , kind of answering the call . Don't shoulder entrepreneurship on your own . I'm your host , nate Shoots . Let's build something together from the ground up . Hello everybody , and welcome back to the show .
I'm excited today to get to chat with somebody who has not only had a big impact on the supply chain industry and independent media , but it's also helped me get my own podcast launched behind the scenes almost two years ago . So I would like to introduce Joe Lynch , the founder of Logistics , of Logistics .
Not everybody else knows this , but before I ever launched the very first episode of the Bootstrapers Guide to Logistics , you were kind enough to spend a couple of hours with me , showing me some of the ropes and things to watch out for . I took copious notes and I still have them .
Actually , one of these days I can take a picture of it and send it to you , but I owe a lot of my own success directly to you , joe , so I just want to say thank you .
Well , thank you so much . I'm glad to help . And , by the way , nate , I say this all the time to younger people , you're not that , you're the younger person , you are younger than me , for sure . So often young people are looking for answers and I always say as you get older , you're more likely to ask .
And I think our mutual friend , Ryan Schreiber , introduced us and he said Joe , yeah , you need to talk to Nate , he's going to start a podcast . And I was like , yeah , I'm happy to help . By the way , you've helped me along the way too , because as soon as you started seeing other people doing things , he's like oh , how's he doing that ?
Even now I'm looking at you going oh , he's Zencaster , I don't use that . Why is he using that ? Is that better , is it worse ? I don't know . But you start to learn , just through these interactions .
For those that aren't familiar , Zencaster is a podcasting platform and Joe uses a different one . I was on Joe's show recently as well and I had the exact same question . I was looking at your screen thing . I wonder if that one's better than what I'm using .
Squadcast . By the way , I remember one of the first time I interviewed anyone in media was doing it from Freight Waves and I remember they go , what are you using here ? I was using ringer . What is ringer ? And they go . It's made for podcasts . And I'm like , oh my God , we're going to get that . And , by the way , don't use ringer .
I was not a fan after a while . By the way , I shouldn't say that they probably improved it , but it's funny , when you start to other people in the media , you learn stuff . And again , the logistics media has exploded and I will say yesterday I talked to Tray . I feel like we've all become friends , everybody who says podcasting .
It's interesting . Somebody asked me the question are there too many competitors in the independent logistics , media and podcasting space ? And I said absolutely not . First , we're not competitors . We all have a slightly different take and a slightly different audience . Just like cable TV , you've got 600 channels . The cooking show isn't competing with the NFL network .
That's a great analogy . But I also think like bands , where somebody says you know , there's enough rock bands . Well , yeah , I guess if we all wanted to listen , they just wanted to listen to all the old stuff , but there's new stuff coming out every day , and why not ?
take it , listen . So you also have the distinction , though , of being one of the original independent content creators . I'm curious how did the logistics of logistics get started at all in the first place ?
So I started working . My dad had a small engineering business . I came home from college after one year I started working for my dad's business . We did engineering design for Ford Motor Company and other companies . That was not something I was gifted at by any stretch , so I was a crappy draftsman . And that was even before the CAD systems in the 80s .
So I worked for my dad , ended up even running his business after my dad got sick small business . We ultimately ended up closing that business . I was probably 26 years old , 25 years old and I was a draftsman . I didn't have a degree in anything , so I worked in drafting , engineering design , whatever you want to call it . The CAD systems came around .
I started working in those . I got my degree in business at night and at that time I took an engineer's job . So I worked my way through engineering and I got my master's in educational . On the way I worked in engineering I launched cars all over the world China , thailand . I did a lot of consulting .
I was a program manager in a lot of roles , always thinking I want to get back into my own business . But in automotive everything is so big . It's hard to be a small supplier in automotive . In 0809 , when everything melted down in automotive , I was working at a company that I hoped someday to buy , a small engineering business .
I was doing lean for Chrysler and their tier ones and I got laid off . Chrysler didn't pay us so I got laid off . Not everyone got that bailout and I ended up getting recruited to a little logistics company and it was a great opportunity . I came in as the general manager COO Very big title for what I was doing at day one .
It needed some operational help and I was there to do it . And then I kind of grew into a sales role and I was getting general manager COO . I learned the LTL business that way and I had come from the supply chain background so I knew you know Automotive is the biggest , baddest supply chain on earth . So I understood how things should be done .
While I was doing that , my executive coach she said you should start blogging and I was like why she goes to get customers and she says I think you'd be good at it . So I started blogging and she even said she goes , just call it the logistics of logistics and I was like that's a good place to hold your name .
I wrote it down and then I called my brother a lot of Matt Collins over at Sun Ant Interactive , and he said , oh , I love that name , the logistics of logistics . He goes , that's available , go buy that . I go , well , it's just a placeholder . And he goes , buy it now . And I was like , all right , I bought it . And then I was like I'll change it .
But every time I said the logistics of logistics , I love that name . And I was like you know , this is the right name . For whatever reason , it didn't hit me as the right name at the beginning .
¶ Impact of Independent Media on Voices
While I was still at this little logistics company , I started writing blogging . Our friend , adam Robinson , was at Sarasas . He just came into the industry . He used to see the market or somewhere else before that and we became friends and I remember at that time I started meeting people because I was writing a lot of articles .
Every spare evening I'd sit at a restaurant or bar and write blog posts and I got a big following and people started saying , hey , could you help us get that big following ? And I was like sure , and so I thought I'd go into marketing . I did that for a minute . I did some sales training . I did a lot of training classes . I did a lot of consulting .
I tried , on every damn hat there was , trying to figure out what business I want to be in to leverage this big following I had . And then I started podcasting about five and a half years ago .
I was just trying to get some more consulting work and developed into what it is today , which I will say , as I mentioned to you earlier , you could call it a media site , but what I really prefer to call it it's a logistics sales platform .
I want to help people tell their story , be heard and sell some services , and I think there's so often Nate , your perfect example . You've seen the same thing I've seen . There's experts everywhere and no one knows who they are , because they are big , they're nose to grind stone , they're working all day long and then everyone's .
They go to a conference and they're like that guy's on the stage talking about his expertise . I have the same expertise , but no one knows who I am .
It reminds me of musicians . There are musicians out there that are technically way better than famous bands out there today , and sometimes it's an individual who plays in a small bar in a small town and they never get heard , but they are truly elite musicians .
They deserve to be heard , and the rise of YouTube and other platforms TikTok has now created a forum for those independent musicians to get their material out into the world , and people are gobbling it up , and now we're getting to hear music that we otherwise never would have heard of , just because the means of distribution have changed , and so independent media
has given a platform to some of those experts for an opportunity to get them in the spotlight , and it's a blast because they're not totally accustomed to it , but they have some of the best insights I've ever heard , probably , just like you , I avoid political talk on my podcast .
First off , I don't like it , but secondly , no one's listening to my podcast for that . What drives me crazy is if you turn on CNN , fox , msnbc , that's going away . They get less views every day and independent media on YouTube is slowly but surely taking over .
So when somebody says the media is controlled by the left , media is controlled by the right , you're like kind of doesn't matter . I look at those late night hosts . By the way , I love all these shows Jimmy Fallon , jimmy Kimmel I shouldn't be up watching it . I don't watch them now . All of them . They're all great . They don't get the audience they want to .
So if I wanted to watch something funny , I go on YouTube , I go on Instagram . By the way , I had to delete Instagram off my phone today because I was wasting too much time on it .
Well , don't give any of our listeners ideas . Don't delete the podcast app off of your phone if you're spending too much time . We really need you to listen . The podcast is different .
That's longer form . But anyway , getting back to it , all of a sudden all the means of production came cheap enough that we're all say , hey , I can buy a microphone , I can do a podcast , I have something to talk about , I'm going to do it .
And then it's created not only a platform and for you it's opened up the next chapter of your career in entrepreneurship but it really does highlight voices that don't get heard other ways . So I'm curious after the years that you've been doing this , are there any stories that stand out to you that you're particularly proud of or fond of ?
There's so many interviews that I've done where I'm just like , so impressed with the people . You know it's hard not to be . Also you know this as well as I do it's inspiring to work with . So they always say you become the five people you hang out with the most .
I kind of feel like the people I hang out with the most seemingly are people I interview , because I do three interviews a week . Sometimes I do five or seven interviews a week .
All I hang out with is these people who all whether they were VC backed or founded a company or running a company some of these guys who are running companies are just very impressive , but no one story sticks out . But what I will say is what's changed over the 400 interviews I've done is my own idea of what I should be doing .
I really feel strongly about the idea that I want to give people a chance to tell their story , to share their personality and then share their expertise and hopefully sell something . And my feeling is always the same as I just did interview you . So when I release that , my goal is for somebody to go oh , I like this Nate shoot guys , he's cool .
And then you talk about the problem that you solve and they go . I have that problem and Nate sells it , by the way , I like him . And then at the end when you say , yeah , this is the services I sell , and they go . I got to reach out , I got to check the show notes , I got to reach out and get to that . Nate shoot guys , and it happens .
You know that as well as I do . It works . We are the dark funnel because you can't always track how those people , what those people are doing , until they actually reach out . So I feel like that's the big learning for me is my role in this . When you're the host of these shows , people go oh , you come a little famous in the space .
I kind of only look at it that way . People know who you are , but I'm like , what I'm doing isn't remarkable . The people I talk to are remarkable . The reason my podcast has been successful , to whatever extent it has been , is because of the people who I got to come on it .
I refer to the same concept , as I play rhythm guitar and the guest is the lead singer and if I do my job really really well , you notice me , but only indirectly and the attention is on the guest .
My good friend and executive coach and home , who I'm going to introduce you to her . She said to me she goes , joe , you are the ultimate wingman and I go connotations , you know bar with your buddies trying to impress girls , but I said I can't use that professionally Well and it takes a rare person to be comfortable not needing that spotlight .
The freight famous thing is interesting because I get reached out to by some very impressive people and some strange people and it's hard to understand when other people have an agenda . How do you balance being freight famous and handling all kinds of messages that you receive ?
First off , I'm glad people do reach out to me . They reach out to me through LinkedIn a lot . I'm big on LinkedIn . I get a lot of emails , my emails out there , so people know how to reach me . I'm happy because I ended up getting some sponsors that way , some advertisers that way and other
¶ Podcast Interviewing and Media Consumption
people . I don't want to have you on my podcast if it's not good for my audience or if it's not good for you . And so right now you said hey , joe , I got a brand new business and I sell clothes and I'd love to be on your podcast because you're a big audience . I'm like no , no , no , no . My guest doesn't want to hear somebody who sells clothes .
That's not . We'll talk about the logistics , We'll talk about the supply chain , but I don't want to do that . Also , sensitive and you probably get the same thing Sometimes somebody reaches out and says oh , I'd love to talk to you about what we're doing , we're doing this . And then you go on LinkedIn and you're like oh , it's just you .
No , shame , I don't have a lot of employees , but a lot of those businesses I've learned they sometimes they get a job and they're gone in six months . And then I'm like so I don't want to interview somebody who's so small , but I do . Also , I interview people who have a cool idea that will never become a sponsor .
Most of the people who come on my podcast never become sponsors , never become advertisers , but it's something that my audience wants to learn about , or hopefully , that's my expectation is that they want to learn about it . So I mean , you know this as well as I do .
You have your first customer is the audience , and they are hard to understand because you don't have their emails and you don't know what they're doing . And then the other is the guest , and I feel strongly that I have to find good guests for my audience . And then for the guests , they have to get favorable attention .
If you come on my podcast , you're like , oh my God , joe , I sound like an idiot and I'm like that's okay . No , that's not okay . You have to get favorable attention .
One of the other benefits that people don't understand about creating content is how broad of a network you develop simply through being exposed and introduced to hundreds of interesting people . In doing all of that , you've met heads of industry , very influential and powerful people . How do you keep track ?
of all of that , I don't . I mean I don't . I do notice , nate , you do become friends with certain people , other people not so much . And it is interesting because when you go to some of these conferences you go , oh my God , I'm meeting all these people in real life and you're like , and some are like , oh hey , joe , it was great being on your podcast .
Some are doing that thing . We're like , hey , good to see you , but they're looking over your shoulder like looking for somebody better . So my master's degree is in education , geared towards consulting and training . So I really like the idea of keeping it simple , assuming that my audience is not an expert in the topic .
So I like everybody to break down all the acronyms , all the industry jargon . I want it to be interesting for my audience , for my guests . I really want them to shine through and sometimes I know you probably have the same thing . You're like I want that guy's personality to come through .
Sometimes it doesn't , because they're a little more introverted or they're a little nervous or whatever , but my goal is for them to go oh , that guy's great , I love that guy . I want that guy to solve my problem . They don't even have to hear you talk about the solution .
What are you finding most interesting in all of the industry right now ? Well , obviously .
AI is very interesting . Just scratching the surface of somebody is listening and five years they're like , well , they'll know a lot more obviously . That technology really interests me .
I will also say , just from on the media front , a lot of the things that we're seeing in the independent media , I guess all the podcasts that are popped up , that's interesting to me . And , by the way , when I say podcasts , they are increasingly becoming little media companies making a niche and I love that .
Logistics and supply chains probably was 7% , 11% of the world's population . There's lots of people who we can reach out to , but I find that a very interesting thing . Definitely the technology , I'll say AI , specifically the media .
And one other thing , nate , and we talked about it the other day , is this idea of community , and I know you have ballast , your community , and to me we're all working remote . All of a sudden , a lot of us are . This industry has always . I'm based in the East Coast , the trucking company that I hired is in Georgia and the customers in California .
We don't meet very much and I think all of a sudden we're seeing all these conferences pop up and that's interesting to me because it's not just the conferences but the communities that are growing around the media companies growing around the conferences feels like it's getting very tight .
If you listen to Mark Zuckerberg's original why that he espoused underneath the business plans of Facebook , it was to connect the world . The cynic would look at that and say that's a nice packet or wrapper , that you put around a set of software that's just designed to do marketing .
At the end of the day , it's a great sounding concept , and the internet really has done that , though . I mean , you and I are talking to each other from hundreds of miles away in perfect video and audio clarity . The internet is also used wrongly can create a ton of division and separate people , and there is no substitute for being face to face with somebody .
I can be rude to you in an email . I can be rude to you through Zoom . It's very hard to be rude to you in person .
I remembered after COVID meeting with some old buddies and there was just a big text chain going back and forth . So one of my friends said , hey , why is who invited so-and-so ? And I go , I don't know .
We went to school with him , he goes , yeah , but he and he said something political and I was like , oh , I don't care about that and he goes , no , but I don't like his blah , blah , blah . And I was like ugh , and I said you know what ?
I just saw him at a class reunion thing and I said you don't talk about that in real life , you just did during the pandemic , and it's funny , they sat next to each other , talked all night . And then my other buddy said you know , you're right , he goes .
You forget , we got so used to being in our own little isolated world where the only human interaction was social media , and you didn't like what somebody said one day . It's not the real world .
I really miss the days of not knowing what else somebody believed . Then my relationship with them would just start organically and I would be like I'm not going to hang out with you because I think you're a jerk , not because of what you believe or you know what views you have .
I remember watching CNN and CNN got really big during the Gulf War , the first Gulf War . I would come home from work , work right down the street . I was an engineer . I would come home and watch the CNN because you got round the clock on the war and CNN had 30 minutes .
They had the same 30 minutes over and over again and the 30 minutes would be national news . Then it would be business , sports , weather , entertainment . It was pretty predictable . You could turn it on at 26 after and watch the sports scores . I always say who asked CNN , and then Fox and all the others , to run politics 24-7 ?
And really the answer was it's easy . It also engages people , apparently , and we can advertise on it . So that's all that mattered .
Well , I looked at the screens . I went to the gym and the TVs are all on mute . And so there's because there's people working out , and there are captions scrolling along the bottom and there are different cable news channels , you know , being watched .
As I was watching them , I just thought to myself you know you have different channels reporting on the same story but with wildly different conclusions and inflammatory statements . And I just thought to myself this type of media are like cigarettes for the brain .
My friend Steve , who you just talked to the other day . He said to me one time he said that kind of media has a purpose . It wants to scare you and it wants to enrage you . And he says outrage and fear moves feats .
It's the new . If it bleeds , it leads , and yet it does have a significant destructive force or impact over the long term .
Increasingly when I go to the gym or go for a walk . If I listen to anything , I'm listening to Spotify or I'm listening to a podcast , and I think of certain podcasts that I listen to . I like Joe Rogan . I think why people like Joe Rogan so much is he's a curious guy . He's kind of interesting . I like when he's interviewing comedians .
I don't care about when he does wrestling or hunting , that's not my stuff , but I don't mind . And then there's all these podcasts . I was talking to Ramel Wotley , another podcaster , and he said oh , I love my first million podcasts . I was like oh , I like that . There's certain podcasts you listen to and you go .
Yeah , this gets me away from all of the other nonsense . And , by the way , joe Rogan said this one time and I thought it was an interesting insight . He said when people listen to the podcast , they begin to think these are my friends and we're hanging out .
I was like oh yeah , we develop an affinity towards the host . I recall the first time that I had somebody say to me on a phone call oh my gosh , you sound just like you do on the show , and it caught me off guard because of course , my voice sounds the same on both . To me I'm the same guy .
I started the logistics of logistics as a blogger and I started a group on LinkedIn and now that group's like 330,000 people in it and so you can post on that group once a week as the owner . This is years ago . I was going to a logistics company and I was thinking about taking a job there and they go yeah , don't come to our main office .
I said , why not ? They go , come to that terminal . I go . Why they go ? Because we don't want everyone knowing that you're looking to come here . I go , it's not like that . He goes . No , they know who you are . How do they know who I am ?
They go because we forward the blog post to them and the group they go , look in your group and I was like , am I ? Kind of famous .
It's an appropriate degree of influence . Perhaps you can go to the grocery store and nobody knows who you are . Yet the Kardashians can't . They're swamped everywhere they go and I'm still figuring my way through this .
I didn't expect there's been a lot of things that have happened through my own journey of podcasting that I certainly could not have anticipated 99% of it positive , but there's the occasional message that I get that is hard to read but for the most part , as you said , 99.9% is positive .
Before we hit record , we're also talking I know you do mostly bootstrapers , but you engage with everybody Right before we record . We're talking about some of the VC-backed companies and some of the challenges . We're in a difficult market right now . We're talking about the idea that we don't do anything negative on the podcast .
First off , we don't know enough about these companies and , secondly , you can't have sponsors . That way . I'm having people on so I can help them sell more services . I want them to tell their story
¶ Personal Branding and Making an Impact
. By the way , most of my career no one knew my story . I woke up in the morning and early . I went to a job . I sat in a cubicle for 10 hours a day . I went to meetings , I traveled , but no one knew who I was . And , by the way , I started the logistics of logistics as a blog for a reason .
I was very upset in 0809 when Christ went bankrupt and I was doing work with them . I knew tons of people . I'd always been dragged along in my career by a higher up who said , oh , we need Lynch to fix that . All of a sudden , I realized there's nobody to call . There's nobody who can help me ?
I remember I called Buddy and said hey , let's go to a project you work at . I was like I was hoping to keep my job dude . No sense asking if you can bring me aboard then .
It's an interesting point because I can ask the question what do you want to be known for ? You also just have to be known . If nobody knows about you and what your amazing gifts and unique talents are , maybe it's the next job isn't going to find you because they don't know you exist .
There's a risk of just keeping your head down and not building a personal reputation or even a personal brand that is known for something .
I went to manifest this last year . I got invited I think it's Autotech Ventures and they invited me to a pre-manifest cocktail party . I went there . I was at the Paris , it was very nice . I looked at their portfolio companies before I went and I was like , oh , I've interviewed like seven of their portfolio companies and one of their partners .
When I went there I was talking to these founders . They were just talking over a drink and they said everybody who interviews with me listens to the podcast I did with you . They find that first and they listen so they can be knowledgeable . I was like , oh , isn't that cool ? I wouldn't have thought of that .
But it's an interesting thing that people are getting found and saying , oh , I found Nate's podcast about Joe .
Lynch , then that leads them to discover what your point of view is , what your offering is For a lot of folks . They're selling themselves . They're looking for that next , the first time being a director at a company or their first executive job , or we're always selling .
No matter what your job is , you sell something . For most of my career , most of your career in Opskye , you are always selling . You're putting together a 20 slide PowerPoint slide to get funding , to get whatever you were looking for that week .
What fuels you beyond the industry and the work that you do ? Why ?
do you do it ? I started off working with my dad's company . We had some good years and we had some interesting things happen . I liked the idea of building a company and I was doing it with my dad . My dad could be a little difficult but he loved me dearly and he wanted that for me and I wanted that for me . I thought this is great .
I want to own a business . I want to build something . My kids are grown , I have enough money to live . I'm happy . Getting a ton of money would be not going to throw it out if you give it to me . But that isn't necessarily the motivation . I want to build a great company and I want to make an impact .
My executive coach said this and it sounds a little puffed up , but I'll say it anyway .
She said it's kind of a legacy and it's a legacy for me where I feel like I can help people learn about this industry , expose them to leaders in this space , but then for my guests , put them up on that platform , let them tell their story , let them be seen , let them be heard and hopefully grows their business .
But if nothing else , it just raised their profile a little bit . So I really love what I'm doing . It's been fun and building the business is kind of what I want a business right now that didn't have this podcast . I was like , no , I don't think I would , because I like what I'm doing with that still .
That's what I maybe enjoy the most about our conversations show is you are never trying to be something . You just are who you are and you have found a path that gives you the opportunity to fully be yourself while helping other people . Maybe it takes a lifetime to find that place for some people .
I will say Nate , I was working in engineering , I was not . I went to engineering school at night for a while . I was already working as an engineer and I was kind of looking going , oh okay , can I get an engineering degree ? It's really hard , I'm going at night , it's not easy .
I started realizing I'm already an engineer and I don't particularly love the work . And I worked with guys who will go home and build their own computer or they go home and renovate you know 57 Chevy or a Jeep or whatever . And I realized they love this stuff . This is what they want to do .
And I'm going home and I'm reading the Wall Street Journal and I'm reading business biographies and it occurred to me I don't want to go back and get an engineering degree . So I got my master's in education , really with the idea of how do we educate adults , how do I do training ? I've done a ton of that kind of stuff and this selling training is difficult .
But you're a trainer , I'm a trainer . You just don't get paid as a trainer . You get paid as a podcaster . It's very true . I was talking to my daughter yesterday and she works for a company and then she's responsible for Frade off a sudden and I was telling her I go oh well , did you listen to this podcast ?
And , by the way , this is , everyone should listen to our podcast every day but she said oh , I didn't hear that one . I was like come on , kid , so I won't , kids won't listen . She goes no , no , I'll listen to it . I want to learn about that .
Well , we have a similar experience , than my oldest daughter just went off to school for the first time .
It has the same professor that I had in graduate school studying entrepreneurship , and so she's been calling me every evening talking through the case studies because I worked on those same case studies and it is a trip to get to see your kids take an interest in things that you love and you get to share .
Something like with my oldest son , we share golf , we just love golfing together . And my youngest daughter , she's an artist and I'm a musician and so we can bond over that . And my youngest son is a natural comedian and we just laugh ourselves silly . And so with each of them I've got something a unique relationship and a different bond of the subject matter .
If you have a daughter who's expressing interest in supply chain and you can talk business , how ?
fun . It's also been interesting . A lot of times universities use my podcast , probably yours too , so that's a sign . So one time there's these college kids called my ambulance , one go could you tell us about this , this and this ? And I was like , why did a podcast on that ? And they go yeah , it was assigned at our school . I go what ? Wow ?
I was like , oh , that's cool .
You're required reading now , by the way , our mutual friend , steve Elwell .
His son was at Grand Valley State University . It's a big school in Grand Rapids . He says they're assigning the interview I did with Steve in the negotiation class he goes . My kids were asking are you related to this guy ? He's like it's my dad .
That is absolutely wild .
¶ Entrepreneur's Gratitude and Support Journey
Well , joe , we have years and years worth of storytelling ahead of both of us , I'm sure . Again , I'm so grateful for the personal support that you've offered me on my own journey . You are following through on what your commitment is to have an impact on people and support them on their journey , and thank you for sharing your own entrepreneurial journey .
There's not a lot of folks that have traveled the path that you have , and I get to follow in your footsteps . So , thank you , joe . We are all rooting for you and wishing you nothing but continued success . Thank you so much .
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