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to kill this fly for like two days. O Yo, corrupt, corrupt, corrupt man, your a legend. Welcome, thank you, thank you. You know, I gotta give you some flowers because there's one album of yours that I always just rave that is like one of the most slept on albums of all times. Streets is a Mother Oh Wow is one of my favorite albums ever overseen by Daz Dylan Drew I called shots with you and Roscoe. That's an organized

noise man, You and Roscoe back and forth. You know, Yeah, that's that, Uh, Ray, Rico and Pat when the Beat Organized Noise. We went to Atlanta for that and Uh I was over there at the dungeon. Rico, Ray came through and then we just laced it up Sleepy Brown Pat how how's how's your brother doing? Doing real good? You know he just had his second baby, zay Alani. I call it Kalani. You got it. You gotta put

that corrupt twist on that. But you know, kids help you to grow up and become the man you're going to be. And uh, that's what happened with David. You know, Scodie's on his grown man now working on this music. Still got a new group, Luxury Click. So I remember when I first heard I called shots and I found out that that was your brother. I was like, oh my god, psychosomatic automatics, man, And I was shocked. I was like this, I said, corrupt brother might be harder

than corrupt. Motherfucking right, I was. You know what they say, man, the next generation they greater than the generation before them. You know, that's when they're doing well. You know, otherwise they will either be lower and lucky to be the same. But when they really on their game right, they surpassed.

And that's what Scodie has done throughout the years. And I remember when I first heard him rap twelve years old, thirteen and wanted to get into cipher and I told him, man, I kicked back, man, hold on because you know, I don't want him to get embarrassed. And he rapped for like thirty minutes to forty minutes. I said, oh my god, the fruit does not fall far from the tree. In the tree, I said, Wow, I said this boy ready, yeah, oh yeah, fout out to that. It's a California album.

You're it's crazy, man, because you know, my favorite uh you know, I always say that the best West Coast album, probably my second or third favorite album ever is Doggy Style. Yes, sir, and that's the album that really introduced you to the masses. Yes, it did introduced all of us, me, Dad, Nate, dog you know what I'm saying. Even even g Dove got his chance to really shine. Warren g Ain't no fun. He really shined on there, you know what I'm saying,

and came a mc be came a rapper. Well, I feel like you have like quite possibly like the best verse on thet on Doggy Style, you know, at least like a top three verse on Doggy Style. Wow. Well, thank you? Yeah, I love this guy. No, I mean, I mean, listen, man, I'm fucking I love I love thank you know. I'm a huge you know, dog pound Fanatic, bro and and Doggie Style was an album that really

changed my life. But like, coming from your position as an unknown artist at the time, Snoop's the hottest shit moving. He's coming off the success of the Chronic, there's the buzz of his murder trial, and there's just so much energy behind that album. Give me like your mind state when it came to getting in the studio and laying your vocals for that album and just being around that environment at the time. You know, at that time, we all had something to prove, not just to the world

but to ourselves. So everybody was in a show and improved mindset Musically. For the producers, you know, Doctor Dre himself Dazz stepping his game up, produced records like for All my Niggas and My Bitches and was one of the keys to Ain't No Fun, you know what I'm saying. And you know, being around Doctor Dre makes you step your game. You got to show up, a shut and show out or get out. That was a death row mentality.

So everybody was trying to prove themselves. They was trying to uh get to that level, you know what I'm saying that they was all trying to reach. Each one of us had a goal we was trying to set for ourselves that we set for ourselves. You know, Rage rb RBX myself, Dazz Warren g production wise because he was all over the chronic with ideas. So it was Daz.

That is a lot of the voices you hear on the chronic so on, Well, that's probably the most under like top two or three underrated producer of all time because you know, Dads don't really splurge his He says low, humble about his fly. It's not going away. Hey, he loves us. What can I say? Hey, when you the ship, you the ship flies love to be ship. I'm just saying though, you know what I'm saying. But you know it was It was great for us to learning experience.

Doug Style used all of our lives, you know. The chronic changed our lives and Doggy Style created who we were when Doggy Style was being recorded. Were you and Dads already signed to death Row as dog Pound or was that something that happened after the chronic. We wasn't signed. The chronic was crazy because Sugar and Doctor Dre had a crazy plan. They only had Rage and Snoopy sign and all the artists on there, none of them was signed. It was like, if you make it, the people like you,

then we might give you a deal. We're going to give you a deal. And it was like, wow, we still got to show ourselves because we were on this album. Anybody could just leave. And you know, so by the time Doggy Style came out, you guys already locked down. We were signed. After the when the Chronic, once it cracked and reviews came back on all of us, death

Row was like, Okay, everybody made it. What was the was the difference between the creation of the Chronic and being around that and just the creation of Doggy Style? What was the energy difference? In your opinion being somebody who was there for both, Like the Chronic, you really didn't know, uh where to go. You know, Doctor Drebral Critique records for us. You know, he always told me during the Chronic, I got a record strictly for you corrupt. I was like, wow, I made it for his album,

strictly for me. I was like, so, you know, I was excited and just watching them as they're creating the album itself. In general, one of the first records I heard was a nigga with a motherfucking gun and g thing, and so it was like bam, those was the two and he was just creating as he went. Then one day he came to me and said, here, I got this for you, Corrup, You're gonna set this off. I was like, damn, let me hear it. And you heard

was what what? What? When? And I said, oh my He smiled at me, yeah, and that shit came on and I was just oh my god, because this is me right, and that's why I started that off. Doctor dra Ham picked that for me. He made it for me. RBX and Rage, you know what I mean, stranded on death Row and Snoop was the superstar, so you know he already had it planned. You know how he wanted it to be. Who he wanted to start it off. Corrupt,

You're gonna start this off. This is After that, it was lyrical, gang bang and then Bitches Ain't Shit was the last record we made, which is basically he showed us that you could take one beat, take all the music off, keep two pieces of it, the drums, the baseline, maybe one other piece, and make a whole new record. They won't even know that right, they're the same. So he stripped down g thing remix and that's bitches ain't shit.

He took everything off except for the we the key thing, and then the boom boom boom and the RUMs and made bitches ain't ship. And he also taught me something then too, because my verse I started off, bitches ain't ship, but hos and tricks lick doing these nuts and sucked that I was rapping it though dog is all melody. He taught me melody. And then Snoop Doc Drear heard me saying it, and he was like, hold o, Crup say that again, all right, go lay that. That's the hook,

just that part. Snoop add that whoop wop to it. And so you know, Snoop came to me and say, Crup, say it like this. Don't say bitches ain't ship but hos and tricks don't do it like that. Do it like this, bitches ain't ship, but hos and tricks lick doing these nuts. Add that melody to a corrupt So I did it like that and he changed a couple of words. I had boom and that was the that's the hook. Me and Snoop and I was like, wow, so now I got this record here, Well I'm having fun.

I was a battle rapper, so strand on death Row and lyrical gang bag. This was new. I'm like, oh, okay, you adding to melody into your all of that a fancy and ship and I'm like okay, boom and I did it and it was like wow, you know what, I'm gonna be a star. Then when it came to Doggy Style, our confidence was at the moon. We already knew where we were going. We already knew what doctor Dre expected, what makes sug smile and those the key make sure smile and you good money satisfied doctor Dre

and you gold. And that was the key to doll because he knew how to do it like this, oh add this to it, because he was the he was the key, so first person to make smile a snoop so you know, whoop wop am, And that's you know, Doggie style. We was all confident, we knew where to go. And that's why you could tell the difference in that. Then the chronic on that one we was critiqued and

sign and we had signed. You had some cheese, yeah you know, yeah, you guys got a little bit of fame from the Chronic and then me and Dad created the Dog Pound and dog the grou Yeah, who's both solo? Yeah? I mean, you know, your guys' group debut is another West Coast classic. It's a hip hop classic. It's an album that I feel like doesn't get enough flowers when

we're talking about classic albums. But you know that album. Yeah, you know, I feel like after Doggy Style, Dog Food, dog Father, and then I feel like, you know, there was, at least from like a fans perspective, there was It felt like like there was like some weird energy between Snoop and death Row. The Tupac shit happened. But you you, you know, obviously you and Daz together forever, but there was that point in time where there was that separation

where you had chose to stay with Sug. There was the double XL cover with you left eye was a crooked eye and Sug and there was there was like some animal between you and dads. Right, give me your thought process why you stuck with Shug during that time and just kind of where your head was at. I was the first from the Dog Pound to leave death Ro. Remember you're talking about because you had Andra, you left,

you did corruption, you launched your label. Doctor Dre was first to leave, and from the d PG it was you. I was left. I left first, snooping dazz and on him was still on death roaw. So you left first, and I remember, yeah, because you had we can freaking in the double disc and and then but you came back from ning my company Andra and did all of that and had that spin and then uh should came home. We had a good chop up, and that was really over wrapping. I wanted to be an executive. I wanted

to oversee a company. That's what Andra, That's what I did with and I was president of that company. Joe, Maroon and Tyrone gave me the opportunity to actually be a part of running a company and be the artist. And I mean, shit, I about all. I think that was three albums that you dropped on and I bought all three of them, bitches with my harder money. Yeah, Joe and Todd Romes want to open up that door and gave me that lane to experience it. And I like, at that point in time, I love that more than

I love being a artist. So when Shuld came to me about being the president of death Row. You know, I thought that, you know what, I'm gonna take this opportunity. I don't even feel like rapping. I don't want to rap. I wanted more or less critique. Artists build them, and I want a definite check rather than because I don't feel you know, I had no Well, your music is a performance based income. Like you got to put music out, the music has to sell. Yeah, probably we get royalties,

we get our publishing, but hip hop is fun. Once the fund's gone, what you're doing, you're done, yeah, right, because it ain't about the money, you know. So Suld offered you something at the time that spoke more to where you were at mentally at that time. Yeah, and I said, you know what, I can do this because my homeboys, you know, it was gonna ride with me regardless,

and in the beginning that's what it was. But it you know, as far as a friendship, you know, it wasn't such a great decision because it, you know, doing that compromised my friendship with that my family, Dazz and Snoop, super Fly and Nate Dog all dpgs. At the time, I think Dad was doing this thing was so so deaf. Right, it was around that time, so so deaf. It was after that experience, because that's when me and Dads got

back together. He was excuse me, he was doing so actually no. So so death was during the time of entra mm hmmm, because Dads got off of there, you know, and when del Mark got off of there, he locked up with j B. I think dog was finishing with no limit, and I went to Death Road to get Daz off of death Row and so bring him back home. So I did do that, and then when he got off, I went back home. And that's when you accepted the position to be the president of Death Row, right, And

you know that's crazy, that's ironic. How long did that? How long did were you technically the president of the label? About two years? Yeah? Two years? And then remember what years those were? Well, two thousand and fives when I got back with the homies and we made Cali is active, which is a yeah, I mean, a moment, but so it was probably what two It was basically two thousand and four and two thousand and three, okay, okay, And so that went into two thousand and two and then

two thousand and three and two thousand and four. Yeah, because okay, so so you got with death Row after they put out that Chronic two thousand album, right, they put out that album to come back with Dre was doing. Yeah, because Streets is a Mother and Doctor Dre's Chronic was in two thousand one, same day. Oh, that was the same day. So that was two thousand. That was two thousand, right, right, yeah, thousand,

that was two thousand. I think two thousand and one came out in two thousand nine with Streets as a Mother, So that was ninety nine. That's crazy, I'm fucking old man. That was ninety nine. I think, yep, ninety nine, nineteen ninety nine. Streets is the Mother dropping. The Chronic dropped on the same day. So when you come in and you're running death Row as the President left, Eyes on the label, Crooked Eyes on the label, Crooked Ey had

probably been there for a while at that point. Well, he was there with us, what was you know what I'm saying. So he was there during the nineties. I mean he was there during like ninety four. Wow, Crooked Eyes started coming around, Big C Style Boy, him and Technique to the table. I remember Technique and they created the LBC Crew and Crooked Eyes alien one of the greatest you know what I'm saying, my LBC crew. Crooked

Eye was a separate beast. And you can hear Crooked Eye all on every record I made from Streets is a Mother and Spacebooky. Crooked Eye is on both of those records, you know what I mean. And he was he wasn't signing to Death Row at that time, right, he was just around right, and then he signed the

Death Row. And so yeah, when I got with Sug, you know, Crooked Eye was there, Lisa was there, left I was already on the label Crooked Eye first, and then Sug did a thing with Lisa to do the Nina album, and then after Nina came, got it to be president oversee these projects with Sugar and all of that, you know, and then from there, yep, til two thousand and five. I think around then into two thousand and four,

two thousand and five, I'm not mistaken, you know. I told Sugar that, you know what, because I talked with Snoop and you know, Snoop was like, it's time to come home. I was just like, Okay, Wow, you know what, It's time to come home. The champ call Snoop call is over. And that was really about the where the friction was because you know, the homies didn't agree with my choice. But when Snoop decided to talk to me, you know, I feel right back in pocket as I should.

You know, that's when CALLI Is Active was created, when we did Cali is Active. Yeah, what was it? Like? I mean, tell me about some of the left eye music that was being recorded because you know, obviously you know she she passed, you know, way before her time, and I'm you know, we never really got to get get treated to left eye solo like I think, you know, we should have, you know, So how was how was the music was recording while you were at death or

Death Row? Well, left I was busting, excuse me. So you know that's something that she wanted to do for a mighty long time, excuse me, which to show her skills as an MC. You know, with THLC, it was a different level of music than the gendre of music, and Lisa really wanted to be an MC. She wanted to show and broadcast her skills as a rapper or

skill as a MC. She's from Philly, so you know, she wanted to let loose some of that ill Adelf madness that she had built up in her that she couldn't do with TLC in the Face or whatever company they was with after the Face. So it was like a it was an outlet to release this this entity in her she called Nina, and so that was like her alias, her alias, you know what I'm saying. And she you know, that's what she gave the lame for, and she accepted it. She jumped on. And you know,

there's a whole different Lisa. Left Eye was the music fire. She was fire. Yeah, I mean, of course, I mean, yeah, there's this all these like you know albums we always heard about. The music wasn't bad at all. You know, it's just different for Lisa. You know, you'd be like, oh wow, visually, you'll be able to see where she was going, right, you know what I'm saying. You just

hear it. You'll be like, because you're so used to Left Eye, you probably wouldn't accept Nina unless you saw visually what she was going for, what she was going for, and then and be like okay, because it's still left Eye, but you know, different world. You go back with Snooping and dads you do Cali as active. How was Shug's feelings when it came to you leaving Death Row a second time? Well, I told Sugar and I told my brother draw he just got home doing fourteen years, and

you know, I let both of them know. You know what, I went as far as I can go here, Crooked Eyes albums out. You know, I did a solo album. Y'all can have all of that, but I'm finna go back with Snoopy and the homies, you know, And it was time and at that time, there was like there still was a lot of animosity between Snoop and Sug. You know what I'm saying, at least at least totally Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. And uh, you know, Snoop gave me that call. I talked to them. I

talked to my brother Draws first, get his opinion. See what he thought. He said, you know, go with your feelings, go at your heart, that's what you want to do. So then I went to Sugar as a man to let him know this is what I'm finna do because he gave me that opportunity and I accepted it. You know, Sugar's always been solid with me, you know. So you know, he was like he gave me his blessing, which I

thought was like, oh, must be right. You know. Sugar was just like, well, you know what, if you do grew up, keep your business good. You know what I'm saying. And you know, I think that's what you should do. If that's what you want to do. You know, I'm all with you, man, you know, and keep your business up to par, you know what I'm saying. And so he didn't. He didn't react the way that you know, I would assume that era of Sugar night it wouldn't

have been the nicest reaction. But he never came at me like that ever, even when I was a kid. Never was this guy that people paint the picture of. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, you were around Shug for the better part of you know, ten plus years, right, So we we hear a lot about Sugar, and then I'll talk to people who were around him or who are close with him, and they'll say, well, you know, Sug's not I'm sure that there's a sign to him. Sugar was like a father figure. I mean, he taught

taught us the game showed us the game. It was a lot of things he kept out, you know what I'm saying, didn't tell us about. But you know, when you're moving that fast now, you don't get to do to say everything or do everything. What he did teachers shaped our lives, gave us a career. He believed in us, invested in us time, energy, and financially, you know, and you know he was he supported us one hundred you

know what I'm saying. Uh, you just hear all these stories like people were getting beat up at the studio all the time, or there was just a lot of crazy shit going on. Like you know how very many documentaries that have ever come out, there's always that side of the death throw story that we hear about us, were actually hear about the good parts, right, And there's a lot. There's two sides of every coin justice, two

sides to every coin, big HOI. And you know when it comes to Shug, that's the only side that people want you to see. It's more exciting. He's the easy He's the easy guy to make a villain in the in the whole story of this whole thing, right, Like like you said, people pick and choose the credit they want to give him or not give him. But he's the easy guy to point to him. So that's all. It's all what the people want to see. Sex, money, drugs, violence, right, guns,

that sells. You know, being a great person really isn't too exciting. Mm hmm. You know what I'm saying doesn't sell. It doesn't sell documentaries or v H one die right right, right, right, right right. Know what I'm saying, you nobody till somebody kills you. You so you know when when you know, you really don't get to get that side of it. You know what good things Shoulg did. I'm not saying he did no bad things or made no mistakes. I'm

not saying that. You know, shougt, you know, grab somebody by the neck and pick them off their feet, right. You know, in this business, you gotta wear many hats. Should came from an environment, you know what I'm saying, from the streets, so you know he also came from another environment. He played football, and he played Actually I think him and RBX went to UNLV at the same time. By the way, shout out to RBX is one of

the craziest voices ever. Indeed, that's one of the things Doctor Drey loved about RBX voice and his style and niggas said Styley bumped and being found didn't do breathe by I mean, nobody puts it together like rb The only person I heard that puts it together like RBX is the originator of style to me, and that's d

Oc to the DC. Doc was all style. He's the way he worded it and put it together with the wop And one of the biggest like what is if he had never got in that accident, you know, and man, right, the big but I think that's one of the biggest of hip hop history. Oh yeah, you know, because man, you know what I'm saying, like, wow, he was so on a roll at that time, you know what I'm saying. He was about to be you know, where Snoop was and became DC was on his way there to be

that guy first. And it's crazy because see that happened to Doc, which stopped him from going to that place that we see Snoopy at right now, uh iconic. And then the same thing happened with Nipsey Hustle, and Nipsey was on his way to being on that level. He was man like Snoopy. They were just his favorites. You know, Dog was a favorite. He came out. They they loved him from the door. Deep Cover gone, you know what

I'm saying, which sparked everything from that point. They already had the chronic in mind, but deep Cover just flew them to the top. You know what I'm saying, already before the chronic even came out. So you know, same thing with d OC and with Nip, you know what I mean. And there's others out there that had that potential to be something special and different. Hey interrupting the

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There's something about Snoop. I always say this, Snoop's the most famous rapper ever. Like when we're talking about like the biggest ever, I'm talking about household name. I'm talking about your grandma knows who Snoop Dogg is, Your great grandma knows who Snoop dog is, your dad knows who ever, Like, Snoop is the most famous rapper we've ever had. He's the biggest as far as just like household name, Like, I don't think there's anybody who's ever been more famous

than Snoop Dogg exactly period. And I say I always say this, I say the two there's no one to who's been bigger at their peak then Snoop at his peak. And fifty cent at his peak, Fifty at his peak, and Snoop at his peak, nobody's ever been bigger. Now, There's been people who have longer runs at the top, like Drag or Uh you know you could go. You know, there's there's been artists who have had longer runs at

the top, but at their peaks. You're talking about though, right, because you ain't talking about in general, No, I'm about I'm talking about hip hop, gotcha, I'm talking about hip hop period. Like, I don't think anyone's ever been bigger than Fifty or Snoop at their peaks because they had so much stuff going on that just added to the intrigue. Fifty got shot nine times, Snoop is facing the murder charge. It was like, right, it was nothing nothing. I don't

think anything's ever really been bigger now. Like I said, even pac Man, even Pup came out. Everything stopped. I think all of hip hop stopped. I think Snoop, I know what you but I'm telling you, do you him? Do you think Park at his peak was bigger than Snoop at his peak? All eyes on me. I think they were all equivalent. They're equal. You can't say one is bigger than the other. That's what people do. They want to say who's bigger or who there is no bigger.

When you heard Doggie Style, everything stopped. For sure, you're gonna try and tell me when you heard All Eyes on Me, everything didn't stop. I think I think that, Yeah, I mean, obviously All Eyes on Me is one of the greatest hip hop albums ever. When Fifty came with his album, everything stopped, that's real. That's the peak. When you dropping, everything stops, that's the peak. So you can't say dog fifty. But I said Pac. I was saying Pac.

And you know the crazy thing is when Biggs album dropped, everything stopped. Unfortunately he passed away. Yeah, that second album, and then that's that second album. The second album had already been going. Yeah, it was couldn't even enjoy that peak, right,

But Park was alive during that peak. Snoopy was alive during that peak, and fifty was alive during that But they are alive and those three particular albums I must say it too, eminem you can't tell me how my Name Is dropped everything, especially especially Marsha Mathers LP when that second album dropped, the first one I'm talking about this. You're talking about the second one, but the first one I stopped. I think the second one, my name is

stopped everything. You couldn't even relate to, what the what the fuck is this ship? Who murdering people and kill it? Stopped? The game stopped. Hi my name Is was his peak. Everything else was rise because Stan and all of that was that. When he dropped, he was at his peak. When Snoop dropped, he was at his peak. When fifty dropped, he was at his peak. That was the peak. When Pop dropped All Eyes on Me, he was at his peak. He was already selling millions with I definitely think I

went to jail. Obviously, there's a few artists saying you think of like Wayne, right, Like Wayne, I think Wayne's like he had been around for so long, so it was more like a steady climb, Like Carter one came out and people realized, oh shit, little Wyne can rap. And then Carter two came out and they were like, oh, this is a this is a classic. And then his peak was Carter three and he was the biggest motherfucker

in the world. But I just think as far as like just like I can't think of like an energy like fifty or Snoop at their at their peak. I just feel like you turned the TV on they you just couldn't avoid fifty or Snoop, you know what I'm saying. But in general, Snoop overall is the biggest most famous rapper ever. You worded like that, you're absolutely correct, He's the most famous million. No, but when you word that peak, when you worded it like you did about that peak, yeah,

absolutely correct Snoopy and fifty, they was everywhere. Yeah, and I'm not saying like I mean obviously, and you know like you're right as well. But yeah, no, it's crazy too because I always think about but you got to put the way you describing the peak. Well, Eminem had like ten years. I think em sold more records than anyone. It's like either him or Dragon with that peak, though,

my name is or how crazy? So so let me ask you this because you obviously you know we're giving flowers one of Eminem's more famous versus when he mentions you and he mentions Redman, and he mentions, right, that was until I collapse, right when they I'm not mistaken. Yeah, so you hear that, and I thought that was super dope because at the time, m's the biggest motherfucker in the world. And somehow I still feel like you're still slept on because you're corrupt. Like to me, you're like

a superhero. But it was felt so good to hear it felt so good, Eminem, give you some flowers on a record amongst all those names, like how dope was that? And I was like, wow, cause you know, you really don't accept it. You know, I'm used to being the the underdog, as you would say. You know, I'm used to being you know, that guy who you know, as good as I am on the mic. Being a star is something totally different. Yes, you know what I'm saying.

No matter how good you are, you could be the best with the pen, but it doesn't make you a star, Eminem Snoopy and fifty or stars, you know what I'm saying. But you are a legend. You're legend. You're legend. It's just like when Kendrick they asked him. I saw an interview, one of his first interviews and asked him his influence and he said corrupt. And the people was interviewing him he really couldn't relate, like whoa what what not? Pop,

not snoop, not this or nothing. He's like, no, no, no, corrupt. You know, I learned, you know, they inspired me towards corrupt. And everybody was totally startled about it. I know I was, because you know, it's a lot of people you give influence to when they win, you'll normally hear him say

that the normal names. But Kendrick was one of the first, uh, one of the first, because the first one was M. You know, when M splashed on him with the wop wop, and then Kendrick comes along with the wham wham, and I was just like, wow, you know that's enough for me. You know, those are the flowers that meant the most to me because they didn't have to do that. They spoke from the heart and how they really felt. A lot of artists don't speak from the heart and what

they really feel. They speak to satisfy. So they would give you these regular names, wouldn't talk about, you know, somebody that doesn't make people say ooh, yeah, and that was the ooh and all that damn corruption in that list, and damn Kendrick gave it up for corrupt. You know, that was a shaker right there. Very appreciated and loved. You know what I'm saying, And yeah, that made me say, Wow, that's dope, and I did smile pretty big. Let's go

back to streets. As of Mother, the bonus track on that is calling out names, which was another one of those songs that I was motherfucker d motherfuck am. Only X I know is exhibit or RBX extraordinary you had a bitch anyway. I know this song by heart. I love that song. Uh. DMX was like you can see I have DMX behind you here. You know, DMX is a huge he's watching. I love X, man. But take me back to that that feud between you and X.

Obviously you know he passed away earlier this year. It was over your ex or what was what is that? What it was? Yeah, you know it was. Uh, I was in my feelings and I was really just upset the whole experience with this young lady and just upset period at the way I was being treated being with this young lady, you know, and just let off some steam throughout the time of being with her. Certain individuals.

You know, people will pump you up if you allow them to, if you let them, and like, you know, I can say that a lot of people, you know, told me things that I took the heart that this person was saying this, and this person said that, and then this magazine, this person said that DMX was just the straw that broke the camel's back, you know what I'm saying, to where my anger was, and so then I just I just let it all go. You know,

DMX is the main thing everybody concentrates on. But I don't really talk about murder inc I don't really talk about the rough riders in the hole or the firm, you know what I'm saying. And everybody else that I spoke on, you have X is the main thing they speak. You had, you had a lot of stuff, I mean in the situation, a lot of people eighty right, you know what I'm saying. So, but there was a lot of different people I was upset at and angry about

things that went on or what I heard. I brought the cart before the horse, you know, and really, you know, things like this, you talk to people, man the man, you really don't voice it through the music, you know what I mean. You know, the way I was grew I grew up. You know, if you really want to smash somebody beat them up first, and then you can talk about them, you know, but don't talk about him first, you know. And I was just really angry. What was

your issue with with murdering you know that? He says, She say, same thing with the Firm that he says, she say, you know, person told me this. And because when the Firm came out, obviously drag executly if you're just that album and it was something that was people highlighted in the magazine and said read this, remember those magaze. But you know what's crazy is that was before social media, so it wasn't as easy to just DM somebody and say, yo, what what did you mean? You were just whatever was

in the source or vibe that was. That was the key to this record back in our day, was that was the only way to let a person know that you didn't like them or had issues in the magazine was in the records or magazine. You know what I'm saying, your music or your magazines. But nobody was really saying who they was mad at. Everybody was subliminal. There was a lot of subs yeah, you know, and that's the thing about calling out names, which made it very different

because you said everything. Everything you said exactly right, and you know it was only Rarity records back in the days like that, real disc records. You know, Chris back in the days with mc shan bridge is over in South Bronx and letting it be known, you know, and h then you know, as you keep going, you see the progression ice que, no basoline, but a lot of rapper hit them up, yeah, hit them up, popped. You know what I'm saying. Before that it was all subliminal,

like New York New York. Wasn't to dis New York because I don't do subliminals. I'm a real battle rapper. I'm a real MC. If I had an issue with body, you know, I'm gonna put their name in and let them know. You pinpoint them. You you and you you know what I'm saying. And so New York New York was taken out of text and you know, yeah, that song was never meant to be a slight to New

York correct, not at all. And the video I think I don't eve think it was much about the song as much it was about the video that was after we got shot at mm HM. So so that so you guys got shot at and then you guys did the video the way you did the video. So the video was meant to be like a fuck you, But the song itself originally was not meant to be a fun like a fuck you know. The first scenes was in Tom Square. We wouldn't go to New York to shoot the video. I mean, we had balls, but not

that much. You know what I'm saying. New York in the ninety is a wild place, as was as was La the Capitol. But New York, New York is like Los Angeles. They had the gangs, original gangs, right, you know what I'm saying out of New New York City, So you know what I'm saying, like Chicago, you know what I'm saying. You know, so we we thought actually New York would accept it. It's a Melly Mel chorus. Melley Mel in the Furious five Grandmaster Flash. You know,

Melly Mel cleared it. You know what I'm saying, got paid. So we was like, Melly Mel cleared it. Oh well, dang, we finally gonna get the respect. We're gonna get New York to love. They gonna love us for this when we you know, put this one out, they gonna love us, you know what I'm saying. And when we dropped Dog Food,

nobody made a fuss about New York, New York. Our first single was Let's play House, so the album was already out, nobody was making a fuss like we was this in New York, and everybody liked New York, New York. That's why it became the next video, and we said we're gonna shoot this in time. We're gonna shoot this in Times Square in New York. Oh man, we finally gonna get the love that. You know, as much as we loved New York, New York is finally gonna love us.

This song is dedicated to them, and we're gonna give respected them seas corrupt you leading that way for them to love you know what I'm saying. I was like, wow, he says this is gonna be historic. So we fly out there. We flew out the low Riders and that was a big deal to us, and we invited everybody to come through and and let's all get down and you know, come be in the video and let's show them this unification. The only one that really showed up was Mony Love. You know, she showed up and gave

us some love. Nobody else showed up. A couple of people though we had k K solo building. He always fucked with us though, you know, and a couple other people came and show love. But you know, so you guys had originally intended to invite a bunch of people from New York to the New York. We sent a shout out to all in New York, you know, coming through we're shooting this video dedicated to you'all type of vibe,

and they really didn't feel that way. And then, uh, after we shot in Times Square, we shot and Red Hook, Brooklyn, and a couple of shells went through our trailer. Nobody got hurt, but our pride did, so you know, we stopped everything, got about it there, we got home, We was down for a bit and then we just was like, we can't go for this. That's where you came up with the new video. I think we're gonna show you this, and then the whole dynamics and direction of the video

changed and that's when we did all of that right there. Yeah, that was an interesting video and an interesting time too, because then I know, you know, shots component nor legacy and ended there the l A l A l A L A which was you know it was it was. It was a wild time to be around. I'm sure be around. Talk to Nori about it. I think we was on he was on a drink Champs. Yeah, talking about that, you know, Noy was you know, he's so funny, he's hilarious, He's the best. Nooy was one of the

first that I linked up with. Uh. We became very good close friends. You know. It's fortunate that I linked up with d m X before we passed away and we became friends. Actually, I think who was up in there, Dana Dan was at the airport. Me, d m X, and Dana Danes all had flights and me and DMX squashed our situation and became really good friends. Did man. You know, I talked to him whenever I see him. We was all cool and new. It was good that that happened before he passed away. Get that. Just get

that out the way, you know what I'm saying. Me and nas I did a movie with Jah Rule. You know what I'm saying, Half past dead. You know, we got rid of our differences. Talk with IRV, I talk with everybody that you know that I shot at with calling out names and got rid of all of that,

you know, all those issues and problems. Yeah, it's crazy too because you were super super so close to Snoop Dogg and Snoop Dogg historically, Like we look back at that time, he had a lot of people in New York that he was tight with, and from what I've heard, sugar was not didn't like that. Sugar Pot didn't like the fact that he was so cool with a bunch

of New York MC's during that time. Are you still like super close with Snoop and did you have some of those same relationships Snoop had or some of those New York artists we're still on death Rod. Yeah, so that was Yeah, that was because that was before you started it. Because when did corruption come out? T ninety eight? Okay, okay, so that was right before you left. So you felt did you when that was when Tupac came home? Yeah?

I was gonna say, did you feel like the division between POC and sug and Snoop, Like, did you see it like with your own eyes? Because obviously there was you know that we heard pop records that got leaked way after where he was talking about Snoop. You know what I'm saying, like, did you see that with your own eyes? Like that division, like whether you could sit where you could tell like, oh, you know Snoops can eventually end up leaving death APN is a gang? Yes, yes,

self explanatory. Yes, How how weird was that that? That that time though, because you're obviously from a fans perspective, we didn't see all of the intern issues going on, right pocket is like you said, the biggest thing moving you know, two of America's most wanted is a song with Pock and Snoop on it that's going crazy. But did the beat and das did the beat? And and you know and at the time there the Snoop and Pock and sugarn't seeing I die? You know what I'm saying, Like,

what was that? What was that? What was that era like of just just being around Snoop and dog pounds like this Crip? That was the era period? That's what it was, right, Crip? So at that like was there ever a point in time? Work was our friend? And when I say our, I'm speaking of the dog pound in general, Snoopy, dazz Grub. You know what I'm saying, and outlaws and thug life psyching everybody, you know what

I'm saying. So they was all our friends. Now the two heads of the horses having issue, you know, so you know eventually it would have worked that out, you know what I'm saying. That's what you know friends do. And Tupac and Snoopy were real friends, you know what I'm saying. And Poc had his issue and Snoopy was you know, I mean, what's gonna happen to Snoop? Right? Nothing if people are smart? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And Pac didn't want a harm dog, you know what

I'm saying. Tupac loved dog. He was more disappointed than anything. And you know, me and Pac are similar. Sometimes we bring the cart before the horse, you know what I'm saying. And like those records you hear, you know that was Pac. He was filled with anger and he would let it go. And those records probably were never even recorded for us to ever hear. Obviously they were never official released like

they was recorded to be heard, you know. But it's just like me and DMX, you know what I'm saying. You know, we we got together and squashed our beef and we didn't even know each other. Snoop and Tupac they knew each other, they were friends, so that was yeah, you know what I'm saying. So that would eventually been taking out the water. And I doubt if Pop would have released those records about Snoopy, you know what I'm saying. But you never know what. Tupac was very spontaneous and

he said what he meant. You know what I'm saying that it was Tupac, you talk to me about you know, Four Horsemen, which was originally a record that was on I forget which Cannabis album it was. I think it was two a group. We tried to do it, put it together, but our shit kept leaking. We put the group together first, came up with the whole idea, and we were about to make a reality, but records kept getting leak, kept getting leaked, so we put a pause on it. So Cannabis and ras Cast took one of

the records. Each took a different record. It was like, well, fuck it, man, I'm gonna put this on my album. Since we're gonna freeze on the album, right, I'm gon'll put this on my album. That was cannabis, and I'm gonna put this on my I think priests took couples that fuck it, I don't put these on March because

we planned on starting from scratch anyway. Everybody was leaking all of our shit, so that's what they did to give them pieces of the Horsemen and the experience that we was planning on coming back together to give them new records. Took us twenty years to actually get through the real the real masterpiece together, the real product. Saying,

like what you guys did back then. I always look at you guys as like the original Slaughterhouse, Like you know, slaughter House was Joe Budden and Joel our Teas and Royce everybody came to there the Crooked Eye. But you guys did that first as just kind of like this supergroup of like just lyrical monsters. You know what I'm saying. That's a compliment, Thank you much. Why was why? Why? Why is now the time to come back together? Though? Like? Why why? Uh? Like what's the motivation to do for

Horsemen project in twenty twenty one. We're a real group. It's not a gimmick, right, and we were just doing it just to do it. Yeah, he's a real group. Dog Pound, EPM, D RUN, DMC, Public Enemy. You know, one album, many more to come, you know what I'm saying. It took us dad long to be able to get it. People kept throwing our ship out there inside people. You know, we couldn't ship, man, they just kept coming out. Do five records, next thing, you know, four of them will

get leaked. That's crazy, like oh man, And then you know, we got our own lives and careers, so then, you know, you try so much to get it there, it keeps falling back. So you know, hey, we just go and do our own things and eventually get back together when we can and try it again. And we tried about two good times the first time, and then we try the second time the same results. So this is the third time to try try and rather right three times

it yar'll swell? What's the competition levels between all four of you guys, because each one of you, I mean, do you get on the record hoping to have the best verse, because everyone's killers on each one of these records. You know, I get on there and have fun, right, you know, it's it's fun, so you know, get up there. Everybody's together, or three of us together, or even if it's two and you just spit. You know what I'm saying. The first the first verse tells you everything. I don't

think we came up with hooks first. I think we came up the verses first. Right, bam, what's that first one laid first? The next one comes, the hook comes. Oh, let's get that to such and such, such and such, or if we're all there, it just falls in line. You know, we just have fun. We just get on

the mic. Our songs is similar to ciphers. They all start off as ciphers to be playing, and then everybody's just get the busting like a cipher and then yeah, something catching crash, which is exactly what fans would want to hear from you guys. Some bars. That's all we did. And you know, and that was the key to Horsemen. You know, we wasn't thinking about radio records or thank god, I wouldn't want that from from people to people like yeah, you know what I'm saying. We gave them the mic.

That's what the Horseman is about, pure and the delta ated mic, you know what I'm saying. And so you know, we was able to still save a couple from the past people ain't getting. We took a couple of records that stood out from the past that we that was placed out and then just some new ones and added on ras and may basically forefront of getting it all together and putting it all together. They did great. Okay,

so that so go support the full Horseman ship. Oh yeah, is there any talks of doing another dot pound album? We dropping August August thirteenth, So August thirteenth, the thirt so that's coming me and dads yep. And the first single is Nice and Slow. We released some from the album, I think two of them. We gave Tom to lighten up their little muskets and uh which you know, bottom bitch and we rolling. And then we just shot our first single and second official singles. The first one is

Nice and Slow with me, Dad's and Snoopy. Second one is used to you know me, dads and Eric Bellinger Aaric belder Man, Yeah, my guy. Uh. And then the other thing is you know, Dre has been in the studio working on the Detox and thirteen million iterations of the Detox for the last hour. Doctor Dre is a stickler. How many how many, like have you heard any of that music? And were you asked to be on any of the records that we probably will never end up hearing.

But like, were you ever at a at all point a part of that creative process since day one? Since day one? How great is the music? Because I'm sure whatever you heard will probably never even end up hearing. But like, I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I heard three or four detoxes. You know. It's like, but doctor Dre, you know, he's he's a perfectionist. That's why all his records are just different. Every time they hit a peak,

they go somewhere with something different. Doctor Dre. It's a perfectionist, you know, he's you know, you wait and you wait, but when you get it, it's worth it. Oh boy is it? You know what I'm saying. And so you know with doctor Dre, I mean, shit, man, he got so much in that bolt you know, classics, but you know, doctor Dre, it's something he's looking for and when he

finds it, I just hope. I just hope we like, like we get an album where we hear you and Snoop and Dazz and Exhibit and you know, Dre have so many that he has created so many like a coup of stars and crowman artists that people want to hear like that. You know, I think it's kind of difficult by the way he did well. He did a great job putting the Compton album together. That album doesn't get talked about enough. That was a great body of work.

But I just like, I'm just always like man, like you know, I remember before that album, the last Chronic album he put out the Aftermath after Yeah, the Aftermath compilation. We've been there, done that, and then he dropped the Chronic. This time he dropped Compton, which that's fair, so nice comparison.

So you know what's gonna happened. Okay, well we'll be waiting and let's just look at what he has to bring to the table, and then you'll understand how difficult it is because the album has to have everybody on it. This has to have those three, it has to have Kendrick Snoop, It's got to have you. It's gotta yeah, no, no, for sure. Rage you know, that's the type of place doctor Drake's going where I can fit in. Its just all of it a big gumbo. What I'm saying well

that's what he did with two thousand and one. Man, it was it was like a perfect you know even. I mean when I talked to fifty, I was like, yo, fifty, like, why don't you Am and Dre just get into the studio and make an album, Like that's what the fans want. Why is it so hard to just give people what they want? But but but he gets in the studio, and then there's M and M who's the you know, and then there's fifties executive producing all these TV shows.

Sometimes it's not you know, just being a hip hop fan, you thinks ship's a lot of years, and it really is. You know what I'm saying. First thing is how do you get Doctor Dre in the studio? Doctor Dre? Get you in the studio, you dude, that's the key. And as soon as Doctor Dre you know, shoots out that bat signal, we all gonna come immediately. He's ready him Snoopy Gotti, dass rage rb xom boom fifty yep, immediately game. You know what I'm saying, Doctor Dre has such an arsenal.

His tree is crazy stupid and everybody would be right there. Kendrick yep, well listen man, correct, I appreciate the sit down. Yes, sir, you're a legend. I mean, you are the man. When I first moved to l A, I ran into you at Hooters across the street from Staples Center, and I was like, this is a good day I was doing. That was my my, my, my years of when I was indulging in some good old fashioned patron Yes, you were drunk for sure. I had to leave all that corrupt.

I lave you to death. Kid, Thanks for having just