#91 - Glasses Malone

have Glasses Malone. He got a podcast on the Black Effect Network called the No Ceilings Podcast. Everyone should go check out. But we had a nice two plus hour convo with him that we're about to get into. Shout out to our sponsors, though odd socks go to odd socksofficial dot com. Keyword is bootleg CAV. That's odd socksofficial dot com keyword bootleg keV go today and save twenty percent off at checkouts with that keyword. On the Craziest Socks,

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these plaques and shit plaques flax Galore Yo. You launched your podcast finally, yeah, which I think had been something that was long overdue because every time you do an interview, every time you you have very very polarizing opinions. I'm not saying they're wrong or right their opinions, so you know, but I think I'm glad. Did Charla Magne have a lot to do with as all? Charlottagne? Yeah, I would have never did it. I never would have did it.

What what was like the deciding factory? You're like, you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna do this podcast. Just trusting somebody that's a friend. Yeah. See see the hommie, you know what I mean. And he's given me, he's giving me pretty good advice up to this point. If I asked him, he's always been honest and sincere. So when he came to me, I was like, I just can't keep telling you no, Like I'll try it. Let's go.

How's it going. It's just getting good to me. Now we are about twenty four conversations in so it's starting to make sense. I think I did my favorite one the other day. It was about COVID and I talked to this doctor that's deal with like somewhere near I think his number was over two thousand patients of COVID. Yeah, okay, like just so many. And he was saying to us, just different ideas. So it was really it was it

was very much a polarizing conversation. It was about like we talked about the vaccine and the confusions in the black community, and he understood and he started explaining what the vaccine were, you know, was about different ideas and it was good. So I thought it was dope, what do you have you Are you vaccinated? No? Do you plan on getting vaccinated? Yes? So that's something that you're

open to. And And because you brought up the black community in the vaccine, because it feels like they're the two biggest points of the population that aren't getting vaccinated or like the really hardcore right wing people and then a lot of the African American community. When you look at the numbers, what do you think is like the disconnect or the misinformation or the And I'm not saying that the vaccine is like a shoe in Like I think people should do whatever the fuck they want to

their uniality, you know what I'm saying. I don't like the idea of forcing anyone to do anything. I think you should get it. It's a good idea, But I definitely am against any sort of like mandate because at the end of the day, we're still in America and there's some shitsu free country, you know what I'm saying. But what are your thoughts on the whole just the whole ship man, Like with COVID and and and the

vaccine and all that. Right wing America and Black America just are the two biggest groups that don't trust the government. I don't know why right wing America, because everything's been good that the government does so much good. I really I would like to release so I understand our concerned. You know, it ain't necessarily like it's been made that you want to help us live right. So it's always that confusion, and they just did a bad job with handling it. And I can't knock them because I'm not

saying I would have did a better one. It did just kind of happen fast playing, so you're making a thousand adjustments on the swing, and it was just so much misinformation the whole time. It was just like bad decisions, like you close down everybody's businesses, but then you open Walmart, which don't make sense in theory. You should have closed down Walmart and opened the all the small businesses and allow minimum people. So it's always these questions and that

bothered people. You know what I'm saying, don't nobody black think America want them to live? And then everybody is like, well, you know, it's the same people taking them, but shit, they can manipulate shit. For DNA, we still got special things about our anatomy that make special. So it's always those questions, do you were you ever like you say you plan on getting vaccinated? Was there something were you ever like on the side of being like not fucked

that I ain't doing it? Did something happen to convince you to do it? Or you just haven't gotten around to getting it yet, Well it's not first off, right, So obviously I don't necessarily have a ton of respect for the FDA. They do a horrible job, you know with the foods, and plus it's not even FDA proved

right now, That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying I don't have a ton of trust for the FDA, right right, But I do respect that they're attempting to act like they're trying so at least fool me a little bit, Like you act like you can. But if the FDA hasn't approved it, I'm just like, hold up, you know, it ain't that much of an emergency. I'm not that scared of don enough to where I'm like, I'm gonna just rush out and just do anything. Plus, I didn't do a ton of research on the vaccines, you know

what I'm saying. I didn't know, Like it's new methods that they create the new vaccines with now, I mean, like the five there, those are new methods that are just now being inacted where your body is creating, you know, from what the doctor explained to me on the podcast, your body, you know they're giving you like the protein makeups and your body is creating the COVID, you know, the COVID virus itself, and you know you're fighting it with your own stuff. I don't even like the sound

of that. That's like, you know, refining my wheat or refining my sugar or pasteurizing my damn milk. Stop fucking with my ship. Give me, you know, make it a little weaker, you know. So if I do it, I you know, when I do it, I would do the Johnson and Johnson. That's me obviously, the Johnson and Johnson and fucked up a lot of people. But me, you know, that's what I would fuck with. Just take the one,

the one one and done. Well. It's the old school way, with the old school type vaccine, Yeah, where they take the virus waking it up a little bit so your body could That's how it used to be. So I like that way versus you know again, you know, all of this modern stuff of you know, convenience speed. I'm not tripping. I got time. Like I'd rather fight it

and deal with it like that way. Yeah, I think that, like for me, like this whole COVID shit is, like I mean, obviously I'm tired of this shit, it's to the point where it's like, damn, there's a new variant. And I feel like, especially here, you know, we ain't fucking liberal. It's hope. You know, we are in the most liberal well, I mean Portland. You could do Heroin and it's all right, but you know, but we're in California. It's pretty good. It's pretty close to liberal. It's this

liberal of the world. Yeah, and it's funny you said that. As soon as you said that, it made me think of something so like, I was so unvested in the conversation of conservative and liberals, so I didn't realize how states view each other as states. And I remember I'm jumping on the guy yellow Wolf. I'm jumping on his head because he talking about California. I'm not realizing he talking about that whole liberal conservative ship. And I remember

telling like, cause you better watch what you say. Like now, I'm like, oh, I get it. This is some white people white people shit. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I didn't know Yo was talking about California. Yeah, he had like this crazy This was like about two years ago, and he was like talking shit like you know, fucking yuppie motherfuckers and fucking liberal talking shit like, hey, bro, you gotta take California out to your mouth like that.

But I didn't realize I was ignorant to the conversation. Why just mean in terms of like how like everyone handled right? Well, I'm talking about right now, how we see everything getting handled right? So I could see California and shut down again. Yeah, I can see it happening because we got to put on the show. Yeah, because we gotta act like we care about the citizens right right right now. I don't know if that's gonna happen with a Gavin trying to keep his gig, you know

what I'm saying. It's real bad for the slick looking real bad. But no, in terms of just like COVID, like I think I've kind of been on all spectrums of like I'm over this shit. Okay, I have had it, I got vaccined. What the fuck else do you need me to do? It's just don't work that way, man, They gotta You know, the thing about California, you know, even down to the culture itself, is all about saving face. So California always trying to save face from the top

of the food chain. Such a huge economy on its own that everyone looks at Cali. You know, obviously, places like New York As like this the example for the rest of the country. Then you got motherfuckers like Texas who are like, suck my Florida, Florida dark. Then I love I love the attitude. That's the gangster rap attitude. Texas and Florida is the full gainst the rap. You

talked about conservative liberal shit. I feel like people could go onto your Twitter at any given time during the election and during the last few years and maybe confuse you or label you as a black conservative because I've seen you retweet shit from Candice Owens and so where do you cause you're You're like, I love you because you're unapologetic yourself and I'm honest with you and and

what you think, you will say it no matter whose feelings. Again, the funniest shit I ever saw you say was about Rick Ross's clothes, and yo, Ross is a boss, but the killer those clothes ain't made in his size. In my top five you feel me is my favorite and he's still mad at me for but I'm like, it's not about him as much as it's about how the public wants to view. You know what the conversation is.

You know how much they wanted exaggerated, so you know you anyway, they don't make that shirt in five X right, they don't make none of that shit. But no, But like, you're so honest with your opinion, and I think it's white people love you. I think it's white people follow you. I think too, there's the reason why they hate you. But I'm curious, like there's definitely some of your viewpoints. Would you consider yourself a black conservative? And I'm probably

the most liberal person in America. That's to being honest. But what I'm not is full of shit. And that's the problem with the liberal population. It's more for front, it's more for face values. Feel good inside. Yeah, they want to look like they want people to look at me I'm a good person, versus I genuinely am a good person. I give a fuck. I genuinely care about those points. So I could never stand on the side with them. And the thing I respect about conservative is

they genuinely the piece of shit that they are. Right. See, I could fuck with anything genuine I can't fuck with things when people faking like it's some kind of confusion that like, you know, the concept of racism is just rooted in conservative Noah, Liberals in the same fucking way. They just acting like they fuck with you. Yeah, I think that the most frustrause I would say that, I'm like, historically very liberal. I've voted Democrat every time, you know

what I'm saying. But I think that what's crazy about what Trump did was he brought out the radicals on every side exactly because the liberals get so gangst them. Man, them dudes have some shit. It was a brother out there. Man, This motherfucker was talking crab he ready, I'm ready, I beat somebody ass. I'm like, the fuck is going on? Yeah?

Trump brought out the crazy racist like scum of the earth that was always there, but now they're more comfortable saying it, and you know which I was good with. And then on the other end, it's like cancel culture is so prevalent now, and it's like there's this loud minority on Twitter of people that control corporations, that control celebrities.

Cause it's like it might be a a hundred motherfuckers on Twitter, but if you get a hundred tweets and you're a celebrity, because you said something that might not sit well with whatever the fuck is the the woke fucking talking point for the week. You gotta go and apologize, you know what I'm saying, Like, I just think it sucks because now literally there's no like I feel like reason and like just being a normal person that's not crazy.

It's like it's hard nowadays because there's each extreme on each side controls, whether it's the media, whatever it's on TV, whether it's you know, to know what you're being controlled by people get and also giving a fuck of what people think. Well, you're controlled by money, right, So like like let's say the baby in his situation, Right, he's only losing because he allowed them to control how much

money he's making. He allowed them to say, you're gonna book me on these festivals until we decide that this is our culture and we are controlling it and we could do our own thing. We empower them laying mass festivals facts, We empower those juppy ass events. We're the reason that you exist. It's some kind of confusion that we need you. It's some kind of confusion that Rolling Loud. We didn't make that shit. We made that shit. You

take us off of that shit. That shit is nothing but a fucking reject version of fucking will stop right so again until we understand the power in our culture that this hip hop shit is. Well, guess what, every time we try to go to mainstream America, anytime they feel like they want to, they could just slap us down and be like, fuck you, nigga, get damn bam. But if we decided to take it into our own hands and control it, then we could say what we

want to. We could control our own message. Right now, we have the control of the dollars. I think the Baby's probably the first example. I think I really feel like where there's like motherfuckers if he's not canceled. This is the closest I've seen someone as far as hip hop is concerned of like a superstar right now. I'm not talking about rappers that have said dumb shit and then we don't hear from him. I mean a superstar, right And honestly, I think what the Baby said at

best is ignorant. At best is ignorant, but really, at the least it's just exclusionary. Like I wouldn't be mad if I went to a concert with Elton John and he jamming his songs, bro, and he like, hey, if you suck Dick's make some noise. As a man, I wouldn't be mad. I just wouldn't make noise. Feel me, I wouldn't be like, oh, you know Elton John excluded me in these conversations, bro. Stop trying to always be included. That's what's wrong with America now. They always want to

act like everybody needs to be included. That's not true. You just don't need to be discriminated against or necessarily, you know, somebody being bigoted your prejudice, But I don't got to fuck with you. We were so desperate to make everybody fuck with each other man fuck that. It's like everybody wants to be included in everything, but isn't necessarily. Don't got nothing to do with you. My views, as much as my views are liberal, I would never be with them pussies, this crip like I got way too

much attitude. My shit is too stand up and conservatives at least, they're just assholes feel me. And I couldn't be that because I don't have those views, but I respect that it's authentic and it's from this is who we are versus somebody y'all the same way, but y'all trying to act like y'all give a fuck about people the baby like I really didn't think. Like, first of all, we've been to plenty of rap shows, plenty of nightclubs where they say, yo, if you pussy, don't stink, if

you ain't got no pussies, get mad. If he's just cluding us, my pussy stinks, it's not my have a I have a I have a fucking He just cluded me. What I'm saying is like what he what what he did was rooted in like a real thing in the clubs, especially in the South. It's normal. Now did did In

my opinion, did he fuck up? Sure? I think the worst thing he said was the HIV thing, but because it was insensitive, but at the same time, right, all he I mean, and I'm not saying that he needed to do this, but all he really had to do was be like, hey man, you know, if you've ever been to the club in the South, this is just how we I just said, some crazy ship off the top of my head. Obviously if you have HIV, that was you know, he doubled he like quadrupled down on

that show. But you're supposed to right and again right. It's not saying everybody, he's not. He didn't say everybody with HIV or age dies in two to three weeks. That's not what he said. He said, if you didn't, if you don't have age or some shit, that you're gonna die two to three weeks. Make noise, Make some noise. Again, it's one of those things where we are hearing somebody

and not listening to them, and we're reacting. Listen, if you really cared about the baby, what you would have did, you would say, hey, man, you need to sit down with Magic Johnson. Y'all need to have a conversation on tape. This is required for me. He will educate you and you lace Magic with the tips and they have a conversation that's recorded. You put it on TV. Educate people. Let this man go get his fucking money. But again, it's not about that. It's about nigga. You better watch

what you say. It ain't about none of the other shit. It's a thousand motherfuckers that said words. But nigga, watch what you say. You're getting out of line. Nigga. You you feel me, you're getting out of control. Well, I think what you said too is like a lot of this shit is about saving face or or acting like you care. Right, So if you're if as soon as one festival took him off, you knew any other festival that kept him on would look like they're a promotion point.

Oh no, they're homophobic, or like you said, all the festivals that took them off. You saw it on the Shade Room, You saw their flyer on every single news outlet, So it was like, not only is it free promotion, but it also checks the box of like, Okay, we kind of have to do this because one motherfucker took them off. If they if every other festival doesn't follow suit,

they're gonna get looked at like they're they're homophobic. And I think I just think that, like like you said, like I liked what Miightley Cyrus posted because she was like I would like to educate him as opposed to and then she's not shit, I hate him l John And I was like, Bro, you don't even use your Twitter, Bro madonnad what the fuck is Bro? You ain't did nothing that matter? Do you think that it was smart for him to though, like lean into it. Yeah, because

you're fucking geyster rapp. You a fucking ganyster. That's fair, feel me. But the only the only thing was as long as he's okay with losing the revenue that they was provided for him, he'll be fine. But obviously he wasn't. He came out and apologized and that's what he probably getting three four hundred show. But you got to make your own three four hundred. I don't disagree with you, but I'm just saying, well, I mean, you know, after the seventh ary eighth one, you start adding up that money.

I went through the same because the day but whether we like it or not, he's a gainst rapper. He's also a pop star. But that's but that's the point. Because he is a gangster rapper. That's fair. So the first time you turn it to a pop star, stopped being against the rapper, it's probably not gonna work out.

I went through the same kind of thing. It wasn't quite that because my step was still rooted in a bit of intellect where I was talking about lilnaz X right and I was saying somebody asked me on my Twitter, they said, hey, man, gee, you know do I think lilnaz X is a is like a tool of lgbt I said, well, really, I tweeted, but I didn't at the person. I said, Lil nonz X is not a puppet for LGBTQ anything. He's a puppet for white supremacy. And I said, really, more than anything that I'm not

feeling about his art. You know what I'm saying. He's fucking corny, Like it's just corny as shit. Is it executed? Well? Yes? Is there some decent idea there? Yes, the overall idea, the whole shit is just actually lame in corny. He's it's a guy named Bert Williams, right, that was a that was a black dude that used to do black face. He was a super talented actor, but he was doing corny shit. Bro, why would you black facial ship? And that's what I feel like he's doing with that culture.

It's like you just over the top, bro, And I get it, but it's like sometimes it's corny. It's just what I say about Little because you and I had a little conversation about Little Nizax and the Satan shoe and all that shit. But I saw your tweet about about the white supremacy thing, and I was like, I

truly believe. Now, obviously he's a pops musician, me and you and the type of music that we I'm not riding around in my car listening a little now, nobody people are like yeah, like white people, right, or like main street people. He's a pop star, sure right, he makes pop music. But he's a brother, and that's the problem. That's fair. That's fair. When you're a brother, we expect your ship to have some soul, some depth. He's fucking

a cornball and that ship is fucking irritating. And your record's got to be as good as so listen, you can have that position that you subjectively don't like his music, right, I don't know if I don't. I like old Town Rod. I just don't like the shitty the last few records. So as someone who is on the radio side, right, someone who can like say, oh, like that's a hit record, that's like, I feel like the record he put out with the what's it called Monetaro? Yeah, I heard that

record and I was like, oh, this is a hit. Now. That record did go number one at radio, right, it went number one, but it probably was more rooted in ads than just it worked its way up. It was probably number one within the first week or two. I wasn't It was a slow build. I promise you I could show you the media based charts. It barely hit Also, it came out before the video. No no, no no. The video came out and it barely hit number one on Rhythm like maybe like three or four weeks ago.

But was that a month ago? The song came out in April. It actually came out in March, third week of March, because that's when the video came out. Yeah, because because I went through some legal shit this you remember, yes, okay, go ahead, go ahead. So I heard that record and I was like, Okay, this is a this is a good record for radio, Like it's a pop It's gonna kill it on Kiss FM. It's gonna you know. But is it for me? Nah? But you know the ship

I'm listening to. But I could subjectively look in Little nas X's music and be like, in my opinion, now you got your opinion. I'm not saying it ain't corny, but I think he's making good records. I'm not saying he's making good rap records or good soul records. I just think he's making good record. But you know my limitation, it'll be disrespected. It saw me and think that I'm just some kind of I like records, right, I don't know you're right, and you're someone who's always been that way.

So Montero as a record is even as a pop record is. It's written decent, it's executed. I just think it's very like it lacks something original, right, And it don't get me wrong because a lot of times, right we're in spaces where you know people are doing the next thing or the thing that everybody's doing. But pop is definitely a higher standard where you're supposed to dig deeper. Bruno Mars makes pop records. That's fair, and that ship

is some ship fire of course. So when you say a record, I'm thinking like Little X's Montero or Silk Sonic leave the door open, so Soonic leave the door open. That got so I would rather listen to n Sync, And that's fair because the record is better. I'm not saying that the records aren't better. I'm just saying he's got good records. It ain't like he's putting out done. No,

they're not horrible. They're not horrible. And so my thing is is I think little nos X is somebody who, like you said, when you first got in here, we had an off camera conversation about a conversation you have with t Pain and how you were like, yo, whatever you are, lean into it one thousand percent. So you started wearing your glasses because your name's glasses on but you never used to wear glasses, so now you wear glasses, but they're big. Little X is a gay dude, right,

and he's leaning into that. But again, right, so I agree, right, it's a way to do everything. But then so like, let's say, if my name is Glasses, right, and I'm a crip rapper, those are my two brands, and I walk in this motherfucker where Bandana's tied around my wrists, Bandanna's tied around all my joints, my neck, my heads. It's corny. It's extra. So not in this way past.

This is extra. That shit is stupid and ridiculous. But that don't mean everybody can't tell, right, So let me ask you this though, because if little nas X was a dude who was straight and he was making out with bitches on stage and there was a bunch of half naked bitches dancing around him, Nobody would question it. That's not true. It's it's a belief that this is all because I really think a lot of it is because he's a gay dude. But that's not true because

we've never seen that. We've never seen someone quote unquote, and like I said, I do not idental Elton John not gay. Yeah, but I don't identify Little nos X. And now John is the same because Little in some conversations, people consider him hip hop, even though I don't. I consider him a pop artist, pop art, but that raps. He's he's certainly the first quote unquote person that raps, that's on a level that he's on that is openly gay. But nobody, nobody listen. He's as much as people care.

If the reason you separate him and Elton John is because Elton John shit is really good. I mean that John makes way better music than Little naz X, but on thousand percent. But that's my point. So again, it's easy and that's what everybody's doing. Like it's always the if you if you critical of his brand, if you're critical of his art, the immediate turn is, oh you're just homophobic. You don't like because he gay. Let's actually unpack the fucking records. Let's unpack the visuals. They're not

they're executed well, but but they're executed well. But he's not making ground. That's not even making ground. We've seen that before, right, But what it is is he's just wrapping it up in gay face, like how Burt william Is wrapping up like burg Williams wrapping up in black and so he's wrapping it up and he's doing Britney Spears in gay face. I liked it. Patnett gay face, he's just gay like black face. He's gay face. So he's just over dragging some shit, right, he over dragging

and just like that's shower scene is Christina Aguilera. That's they shot that before that, that's been done. But you just used a bunch of gay black men. You just did it in gay face because he's a guy. But no, but it's not because he's a gay guy. He knew everybody would care about that. See, gay people ain't just running around just being extra, just like black people ain't.

It's black people that's dark as black face, right, it's just dark ass people with red lips, right, But people ain't just running around just being a nigga, you know. We Actually it's not as simple, right, So when you see a black man, right, that's what makes his think he's a gay man. But because he's unbelievably at a thousand with trying to tell you I'm gay, bro, we know you are. I'm not saying nothing wrong. Nobody give a fuck. Elton John's gay. Right, All kind of people

we end up loving is gay. Nobody fucking cares, like, right, you court, sure you care a little bit. Prince was probably bisexual, I think everybody. But on the same token, is it not like it's his art, right, So if he wants to be a trailblazer for his his community, that you really true? That's not true, I think. I think if you think about it's like seeing Bert Williams's trail based black face. But I don't know who Williams is. He's the he's the big you told me so again.

I wouldn't call him a trailblazer because you're not gonna have generations of no. No. I just mean in terms of like, I can't think of a time in the last twenty five to thirty years that I've been alive and paying attention to music, that there's been an openly gay superstar. Not talking about Adam Lambert or somebody who don't really matter. I'm talking about a super little nosed

actually superstar. And and what I so, you and I had a discussion about that video with the Devil, and what I appreciated about the video was his explanation for was essentially everyone, Yeah, my whole life was she said, I'm going to hell blah blah blah blah blah, all this clown shit were Really it was just like, this is a good idea to make people talk, and it worked. But again, again, I can isn't that a lot of this shit? Though? Yeah, but isn't that a lot of

this shit? Agree one hundred percent? But then it got to be good at the It got to be great at the route, the great at the root to you? Isn't it great at the route to maybe seventeen year old kid who loves literally all love great records? But what I'm saying is I think Little X has some records that are I'm out here live what you mean? Damn? Old Town Road is best recording? You know it? Oh?

For sure? But that's the problem. Like, but Holiday is a dope record, Panini is a banger, Panini's a banger. Decent that shit is a banger. Bangs, but it's not really. But like what I'm saying is like out here little X like Panini. I hear little X Ponini. I'm like, Oh, this shit is tell It's ten records in bro We're talking. It's Old Town Road is better than every song. Of course, it's the big It's probably the biggest song in the last twenty years. But you're missing the point of what

I'm saying. We've demanded greatness from everybody. We we we're not allowed to say this about nobody else. And you're saying greatness objective to what you think is great. Well, that's the point, right, is my perspective, hundred percent right. So, but what I don't want is my opinion to be discounted about art or brand because you think I'm a homophobe or you think I care that, which is not the case. And that's what I'm dealing with, and that's what I don't like. I don't care that the man

is gay. I don't give fuck how many if the fucking shower scene where they was dancing naked was fire, It'd be fucking fire. It just wasn't good, just fucking corny. So let me ask you this. Do you think was it single ladies? No? Of course not again. So I'm so now I'm looking at him like, Okay, you went through all this to show this fucking subpar routine. So let me ask you this. I think that there is a conversation to be had though. Don't you think a lot of the hate that he gets is rooted in

some homophobia? Though sure I'm not talking about you, sure, sure, Sure, some people are not. They cannot they cannot accept the they don't understand the lifestyle enough, and it's confusing to them because they have their own belief of how this is happening. Right. I've had conversations with people that they feel like, oh, you can't be boring. It's a thousand things about people don't understand versus me, where I just

don't care. I just don't have a reason to get You have an opinion on what he's doing and you think is corny. Ain't got nothing to do with nothing else, bro, I don't man. People could speak up for me and I stop them when they try. I don't need nobody to speak for me. I don't. I don't want you to. Oh you know, geez my boy, and I don't say shit five me. Fuck these motherfull They could think what they want to think. His shit is corny. I told him,

your shit's corny. You are black, You owe some more soul. Maybe you don't think so, but I am demanding it as a fair. You went through all this to get to my attention. You dancing on the devil's lap. Then snap the man neck, you slide and look like a fairy. You're doing all this shit you're doing for me to see you because you want to show me all these visions of masculinity that don't I'm not used to sing, especially from black men. Right. You want to show me

this so you get my attention. You make the Satan shoes. You already know black people are rooting in some level of spirituality. We don't fuck with saying, but you do it anyway, so you get my attention. Then you come back. You got the shower sing, I've been to jail. Feel me. You dancing with the dudes in the shower and the subpart number that's just you should have actually had a fire number at least so I could be pumped up

about it. Right, So you go through this to get my attention, You get it, and then I give you my opinion on your brand and your art, and you try to wrap it up and say like, I'm a homophobe. You asked me to look at it. I looked at it. Here's what I'm telling you. That's what I think about it. Now you could take it and say, oh, gee, you're being a homophobe. You put whatever clown shit nigga El John mops the floor, Sam Smith mobs the floor with

your slow ass. I don't disagree. So if you're not trying to be that good, don't come fucking with my attention. So let me ask you this. When you tweeted that he's more a tool for white supremacy or a puppet rather because it matters than LGBTQ, what do you mean by that. He's a fucking entertainment piece for mainstream America

like puppets, He's the show. And when you say white supremacy, yeah, because at the highest level of people looking right at the white supremacy, this is the top level of this country, right, who knows if people are embarrassed. Who knows of everything? He's their entertainment piece. Feel me, like you said, he's a one of one, right, and he know everybody that look like me is shrinking down in their seats like ah man, And it's not. Everybody is not just because

you gay. It's just your shit's corny sometimes again, man, when you're black, it's not fair, right, it's not fair. But there's things expected of you. And I'm not demanding more than you than I wouldn't demand from Prince or any other great artists. You feel me, You don't get off because you gay, You don't get off because you still expected. Well, guess what, nigga, you gotta carry two torches.

Don't make us look stupid, like you don't make them people look stupid, feel me, So, I think he's doing a bad job of making people look you know what I mean, He's just doing it goofy like. You're not really adding to the culture. You're not creating a trend of things that's gonna happen. You gotta dig deep, bro, you went through some real struggles. If you're a young black gay man, you went through some real struggle for sure.

Can I get that? Of course? Can I stop getting these generic records that are not like you're making bad versions. He's making pop records. He's not making anything with substance or depth to them. As far as like him talking about like really tapping into the struggle. God, at least be backstreets back is good. I mean that. I mean, look, he got one, he got the Little The Hotown Road

is a fire. I mean, you know, but now, but like damn, we like eight or nine and we'd had about four that come on when I said I never heard a whack Little Noza song, I never heard none of I'm whack no no. He's too good to make a wax song at this point. Now he's a good artist, like he makes records. I'm not saying he's made anything better than the Oldtown Road, but I'm like, yo, I'm not I'm not riding around bumping Little Nozax at all. But if I'm like, I'll check his video and I'll

be like, oh, yeah, I get it. You know, it's a pop record, great writers, you know, whatever it is it's but I don't think it's I think it could be better, And you're right, it could be so everything could be better, but so then we all should demand it. He's not talented like Bruno Mars though, but I'm saying Brun Mars an alien. Yeah have you seen that man live? But again it's it's still like it's still pop like

it's now, I know it is. But Bruno Mars is like one of the most talented artists that we've seen in the last like fifty years. Like like like he's I was I Love Lives Morris Day. His life shows insane no more I'm talking about I'm talking about that level. But I'm saying what makes his ship dope is he's just not He don't look like me and he's doing that. I think Bruno he's ill. Now, Bruno is an alien.

But but again put him in front of that now, see that's what I'm talking about now, no disrespect, because Bruno was fucking fired, and he got fired, he got some of the best. See, I wouldn't say he's one of the best fifty like artists of the fifty years. I say some of the I wouldn't even say that. I'd say he has some of the best records I've heard in fifty years. He's one of the best performers in the last fifty years. I haven't seen that, but Tech nine is number one on that list for me.

I agree, but but I think he was nine peak techno saw so right, Elton John Right, that's fire, that's fire, that's uncharted, uncharted territory fire. I don't disagree fee me Sam Smith, uncharted territory fight. I think Sam Smith is fire. Now, with that being said, I probably would rather listen to a Little X song than the Sam Smith songs. I don't want to. I don't want to slice my wrists.

The only person, the only I listened to ever stay with me more than everyone, stay with incredible record with me, an incredible record. I give you that. Little is never gonna make a record's gonna stay with me? Why not? Because he's not that talented. That hints my point. Little Sam Smith has a voice of an angel, a SoundCloud rapper turned pop star. But then you gotta just with great writers. But you gotta define it. You gotta define it because we can't hold Little X, who literally is

a SoundCloud rapper, he's a pop star. Hold him started as a SoundCloud rapper and he's evolved into a pop star. But he was first record. His first record was a pop He's not a great No, Little that shit was a joke, but it's still a pop record. Okay, fair enough, but it was a joke. So now you got to compete with Bruno Mars. That's sold. Everyone gotta be town.

Hey how about this. Let me give you an example. Now, I'm not saying that Eminem is culturally prevalent in the last fifteen years, right, but can we agree that technically Eminem is a top ten and ten would be short sighting him. But if I were to say Eminem lyrically skills as a rapper's top ten all time, you would be like, yeah, of course, I meant of course, right,

top five five for sure? Yeah, use to one per Right now, I'm not over here barking down on I don't even want to say little Baby, because he's improved so much as a rapper. I'm not barking down on Gunner. If Gunner got a hot record in the club or got a number one record at Urban, because he's not as talented as someone like Eminem, not at the time. They're not the same, But that's what I'm saying. They're not,

But they're not the same. But again, right, what makes us all, even all of us right in hip hop, or all of us in pop music, or all of us in any of these genres the records. So again, so you're saying record for record, that's all you have to be. That's fair. You don't gotta be as talented. But song like Hot by Young Thug and Gunner, Right, he's like a record that makes sense in the club. It's a cool record. It was number one at urban radio.

It's a cool record. But it's not fucking But I'm only asking it's not the box, But I'm not asking it to be the box, right, I'm asking it to be ha it's not. It's not Ha'm I'm asked, but it's not. But again, right, So that don't mean that it ain't dope, But that don't mean that it ain't good. That don't mean that it can't be in the same world. Like I'm not getting Little Knazacs ain't gonna he can't do what Sam Smith does. No, but he can make records as great as Sam Smith. I mean maybe, yes,

I mean he has. I mean, look, I'm not as dope, but I'm not as great as eminem right as technically sound as Eminem, But that don't mean I can't make a record as that ring with one of his records as No, I don't disagree with you. It's about doing the work. So at the end of the day, your thoughts on Little knaz X are strictly rooted, and you're not crazy about the records he's putting out, and you think the execution is corny. Well, I think, yeah, I

think the records are decent. They're they're above average. They're not you know what, They're above average. That's fair to say compared to all the records today. But then again, I'm also on a core competing against Magic Johnson, Like I'm looking at all of our opportunities as modern day artists to compete with the greatest records to ever come out. So I look at it differently. You know, corny, he

knows it's corny, whether you admit it or not. As cool, you don't got to see why you think it's corny. I look at it as you know, when were like like, you know, it's corny. No, I mean, but I also you see sometimes you know, but I'll come from the era of watching Eminem videos that were me too and I say they was corny. Sometimes they were fucking corny.

And I'm saying, so when I look at that, it kind of when I see Little nas X putting his videos out, so some of corny, of course, oh my god, oh my god, you stru Shay was corny as far. So then why are you struggling and say Little nas x content is corny. I'm not saying it's not. But what I'm saying, say it if anything to say it, I don't. To me, it's not so none of the content is corny. But just when I see you know, because when I watched the Devil video, I actually thought

that was fire. I'm saying, maybe prison Ship is it corny or not? To me? For me, prison is not corny. I didn't the corny as shit. I thought it was refining and refreshed. No, I just thought it was this is cool. This reminds me some t r L. It was cool. I wasn't mad at it. To be honest, you know, it's cornyn. I'm just being honest with you. I think probably what's corny. It don't mean you're a homophault because you think it's corny. I don't mean I'm

a racist. I'm not, and it don't mean I'm a racist because I think some of Eminem is corny and I'm not a sellout if I think early days you peel sometimes corny. You want to know what the difference is? Sure? And why I can't say it's corny because I expect corny ship from Little noz X because he's a pop star. Eminem was a pop star and the time he got to the real pop. Yeah, but I was listening to Eminem on soundbombing two Rockets record. You just said the

same thing. Little Naz started as a SoundCloud rapper. You know what I'm saying. Corny is Little's first record? Don't you see something that she'd be like? But literally his first record ever was corny as fuck. So this is his bar. He's a corny guy. I'm like, I won't say the record it is corny. The video could have been corny, but not the record. The record was. I mean it was horror in the it's corny, but but

but but it works because it was great. But he set a corny bar from the rip and it's just been consistent. No, that's who he is. That record is not cool. I got the horses in the back. He literally faked a great record. But no, but if you executed correctly he did, then it's not corny. That's the thing. Like right, Like Adam Sandler. Right is one of my favorite you know what I mean? In Hollywood? Right, the water boy treads the line, so you could tread the

line and sometime being you gotta hit it. But if you go too far, it'll get caught. You know what about Adam Sandler is the same way. But but listen, but listen, I think Adam Sandler, I expect corny shit. So when he does like the Zohan movie, which is super corny, then you say it's corner. Appreciate So why did you say? But again, me too? But I appreciate little nosed Extra Ship because I expected to be corny. You won't say it's corny. No, I just said I

expected to be corny. I literally corny? Is his whole career is corny? Say? His whole career is corny? Getting past everything? But the corny? Say that shower scene in that video shower scene was corny? Do I think that I'm being honest? Do I think the song was corny? Maybe? Yeah, little corny liking, So what's corny besides his complete idea?

Just the songs called industry Baby, and like it's like, yeah, okay, it's a low hanging fruit for Little noz X to make a song about being the industry planned Okay, I get it. And then the video is what I expect, which is why it's not corny. Still corny, you gotta be good? Did it listen as much as Adam Sandler right can be corny? The water Boy is amazing and it's not corny. I love The water Boy. Zoehn is amazing because but no, sometimes you can go but sometimes

you can go to far. Corny don't necessarily mean it's not good. I am not listening to Little noz X's music. Obviously subject to listen to pop music me like brun the gotta be elite level. I am not listening to Little X in my car. Ever. I threw on his EP when it dropped what was it called the Rodeo

EP right, just to just to listen to it. I threw it was like five songs, all right, cool, you have the record with Cardi B. That was cool, But I am not riding around in my car pressing play on middle X. Ever, what I can do as someone who's appreciates entertainment, I could look and see what he's doing and be like, oh, I get it now, it's not for me. Why not, because it's just not I'm also do you're not enjoy some pop music? Not most of it? To be fair? Do you enjoy some? Do

you like Bruno Marris? I love Bruto Morris. That's pop, okay, so some if that's some? Sure? Do you enjoy Sam Smith? No, I'm not listening to it. I mean yeah, Elton John, Yeah, of course I love so the best of the best pop music. I love it John. Yeah. I mean I mean yeah. I mean I liked like seventy shit, eighty shit, I mean not even I'm not saying eighties pop music. It's a lot of pop, but I'm not a big eighties pop guy. I actually think eighties pop is corny

as fuck. But but that means you don't like I don't like in scene. I never like Backstreet Boys, I never like none of that. That's nineties. I know what I'm saying. I never like any of that. Ships. So people are like like Justin Bieber peaches right, good record, That's that's an R and B record, right, Fire, great record? Now, it's not corny though, No, no no, no, you're right, it's fire. That's a beautifully written song. It's probably executed executed perfect. Again,

I'm not driving around in my car bumping Peaches. I play pieces. Now, if Peaches comes on, you're not gonna change it. I'm not gonna change it. But if that industry baby song, which might change that, I might change it. So I'm not so getting we're that's we're talking grand a point, but we're green on the same thing. For me to say it was bad, it's just not good. Neither's Peaches. But you would not change because is a better songs. That's what I'm saying. Peaches is a way better.

Peaches is better than what I'm saying a lot of songs. I'll take Peaches more than I mean. That's a fucking perfect song. Sure, I know you don't complain to me. I love you know, like there's like records like that I love to play, like in the club, like Essence by whiz Kid. Fucking love it. Right, it's a great fucking Justin Bieber. Just jump out the remix. Now, I'm probably not driving around in my car listening to wiz

you'n I he came, of course, not so. All I'm demanding is better record and better representation from Little Nax. I'm not asking for much. I'm not saying, hey, don't be gay. You're gay, bro. That's how it is. I don't give a fuck. It's not my fucking business. But when you when you get my mother fucking attention, you go through all this shit for me to find out, and I give you my opinion, deliver nigga, deliver my nigga. Don't all I'm I'm not even talking about the song.

I'm talking about this bro. Go to the next level. That's all I'm saying. That's what's suspected you you you nine ten records deep at this point. Let's get to it now. What do you think? Do you think the baby can do anything to patch up his current optics with they'll be booking him at the festivals in the year. In the year you think I'll be fine? Man? I think he just jumps on a little Knazac song and it's all good. He definitely shouldn't do that. You don't

think you should do that? No, Little Nazak's the baby on the remix, Bro that the baby actually has this authentic feel. Little naz X lacks authenticity. They can help each other, Bro, Go to Elton John, get Elton John, and go get Sam Smith to sing your hook. Don't fuck with him. He's a fucking cornball. Make him dig hisself out of corny. First, come back to the rest of the You know the depth, nigga, your brother, come back to the depth of it, fimy. Then we fucking

with it. But then, if you're going to do something you worried about how the LGBTQ community sees you, go get a big dog. Go Elton John, get Sam Smith, Go sit down with Sam. Let him sing a beautiful hook to the ladies or sing a beautiful hook to me. Whoever is the fuck? Just sing a love hook and you rap with Go to the best. Don't fuck with him. He's a fucking cornball. You gotta get his ship together. I man better. He can do it too. I heard Old Town Road. There's something in there. He just gotta

let me ask you this too. So like on the other side of the coin, there's guys like Boosy right, who's one of my favorite dudes in the game. Every time I talk to him, he's I know what I'm getting. He's hilarious, but at the same time, he also comes across the little homophobic. He has a genuine fear and and and and obviously I don't think it's for him at least because I'd like to think I've been around

him enough to know that he's not a hateful guy. Sure, but I do think that there's like a big part of hip hop in the industry where there's people behind the scenes whatever that that that kind of share his opinions about just the homosexuals in general. And I'm I'm a believer that if you're gay, you're gonna be gay anyway, I wouldn't say that, but I think there are some

people that are born gay. And I also think think like if somebody like Little nos X being openly gay as an African American man in this country, which, as you said acknowledged earlier, probably one of the hardest things to be in this world as a black man, let alone, because then you're fucked in your own community on top

of being fucked in America. Right, So if Little nas X standing on that openly and proudly helps inspire people to be themselves more right to be more proud of who they are, or to live their truths louder or more proudly. Isn't that a good thing? I mean? But again, yes, right, unless you believe that he's actually infiltrating people's minds to turning them gay, which I don't think is in this case. I had this, I've been having this dilemma in this conversation,

right because I used to feel the same way. I do not think you could just play gay like it is for some man to take penis. Bro is a different kind of devotion. You have to be committed. It's gonna be tough, even like Bruce Jenner I mean, or Kaitlin whatever. Right, even then he's still not gay, no, right, right, he's a lesbian. He became a lesbian, right right, So I think it's a different commitment. So I felt the same way you did. I felt like, you can't get

people to be gay. But that might not be true. That could be wrong. It can be a lot more influential than were We want to admit, we're in a really weird place in society where social media is controlling a lot of things and attention, but in general, all of it is controlling. A lot. People are dying for attention, like they're in a really weird space, So the things people will do to get attention that could be a problem. So that's why that I agree with you on that.

So again, like as much as I wanted to kind of look at him like, bro, it is something to be scared of. I think this right. I think people will do things for attention more than ever. But at the same time, like you said, to be a gay person as a big commitment, right, So I think if you were going to you know, be attracted to men and being romantic relationships for men, mom, man. But what I'm saying is now personally, I think you just really

have to be committed. That's a lot, you know. So what I'm saying is is like those people were gonna probably feel that way inside anyway. Maybe they were gonna get married to a woman that they hated or that they secretly you know what I'm saying, Like, I think they don't know if that's necessarily true. I think we all I think both sides at that point, we would

all be speaking from ignorant places. But we also can't deny the control and influence I think there's a there's a there's definitely a such thing as saying that there's an attention thing going on, which is where I like, I think like you and I'm not. And again I'm not accusing any you know, homosexual part. I genuinely think this is what's going on, but I can't ignore right now.

We're in one of the most scariest times of society where everybody is following you know what I mean for intention, because everything about our life is built on what is it called, uh, societal acceptance or societal uh, you know whatever, that is the wealth of it. I think the way I look at it right when like Boozie says some shit to me, it kind of makes me cringe because I'm like, man, like, the only way you're really scared of this is if you truly believe little Isaac can

turn a child gay. He and I think genuinely they believe that, and I think genuinely Boozy thinks that that's the genuinely want for sure because he definitely believe thats and I didn't. But now I'm stind of like, Okay, I see what you're saying, because you could turn the child into a gangster. You could turn the child into turn the child. You can turn a child into a racist. That's true. So again, it's all a lifestyle change. It's all a lifestyle thing. I don't know. I think it's

about like what you're attracted to. I think it's kind of built into you. I guess I would like to believe that, but man, that might not be true. I would like to believe that's true. But again, this is one of them conversation. Society wanted me to be attracted to white women. In my entire life, I've not fucked with any white women because they just don't do it for me. That's racist, though, No it's not. I'm I'm just being honest with you. As a childhood, I grew

up watching what was on TV Baywatch? Well, who was on Sports Illustrated covers? Fucking uh? What was it? Bit his name? So you've never seen a white lady you want the mail? I mean, I can like see a white chicken, be like, yeah, she's cute, you know, but like, are you not for me a white lady you thought was absolutely gorgeous? Of course, so then what are we talking about? Is there not men in this world that

you can be like, that's a good looking dude. Never you've never seen a guy and been like, yo, he's a good looking guy. Never never, never been attracted to a guy. I didn't say attracted to, I said can you have not ever been attracted to a white woman. You've never been attract to a white woman. When I was a little kid, I think Pamela Anderson was hot. But then I Megan Good is not hot. It's not for me. That is crazy, Megan Good, Megan making Fox, Oh yeah, making Fox. No, her thumbs kill me. She's

got short thumbs. Plus, that's that's Mgk's that's mgk's girl. That's my dog. So but no, nothing shit, he know he little Fox. I can acknowledge she's a beautiful woman, but it's not for me. Yeah. See that's the point, right, somebody probably wouldn't believe you. Somebody. Once I discovered j Lo as a child, it was over. It was just like Latina's and then and then Tyra Banks, and I

was like, oh this is different. I don't want to fuck nobody who looks like they could be related to me, you know, like you know you, I mean, I've never heard that, but this is definitely special. But again, right, so I can acknowledge a white chick looks like, yeah, yeah, she's beautiful, but if you don't want to nail her, if you're not attracted to it, I mean, listen, what I'm saying is I should be in the white girls.

Not really, you don't have to be. All I'm saying is right maybe Okay, so I can see the comp but again, I don't know if I can just one time I was certain of it, but kind of thinking, I'm not sure. It could be a little bit more influential. So I say, all the gay people I know with and this is people who are actually gay actually suck dick and get their dick sucked by you know, God bless them. Friends of mine say that this is something that they knew as soon as they were conscious of attraction,

and that this is like this. I know. The homies told me the same thing that I know. So so based on what gay people say, but I've heard other gay people say different. I've heard other gay people talk about things that have happened to them. You might get molested as children. I mean, I mean that the said fuck them up. Maybe and again, but I do know. But again, we are coming into uncharted territories in society. At this point. We're influenced and social wealth I mean

social uh uh social this is a specific word. But now they're at all time high. I think there's the all times. How about right now it's rappers wearing dresses. Yeah, that was like ten years ago. Yeah, but uh, I mean Andre did that, That's what I'm saying. So so now we're he wore killed that's not fair. Yeah, but Andre also just fashionedly, was just super forward, but people clowned it back. But a kilt still is okay. Young thug woarre dress on the cover of an album and

a guy wore a wedding dress in a video. Yep. Right, So again we're doing things for attention. How about this Dennis Rodman wore dress right married himself. Yes, we're doing so do we think that that made other people gay? Well, I don't think. I don't think that's the I don't I don't. I don't think he inspired people to be to wear dresses. Yes, I mean maybe, yeah, I think people buried themselves us. How about this though, do you

think that young thug wearing a dress? If anything? First of all, people refer to their homies as my love. Do people refer to themselves as having dicks out the gun? Yes, he's an influential figure. He's a very talented, gifted Yeah, but I don't think he's influencing anyone to suck cock because he's not necessarily on records sucking cock. If he's sucking, do you think Little X is influencing people to suck dick? I don't know. He never influenced me, That's what I

can tell you. But again, you're asking me, right, I don't think that. I think if my kids saw me. But it's not crazy for Bootsy to think kids could want to follow success and wealth, and they may think success and wealth could come with sucking dick. If they're looking at Little nas X. It might sound ask nine and thought of it. But we are in a difference. I watched somebody the other day kill somebody of a pair of shoes in a raffle, that insane sixteen year

old kid. You're missing what the sixteen year old kid is who killed the guy, But you're missing the point of what where we at? So to keep ignoring we're in different spaces. Feel me and and and you gotta be careful. What you're saying is that we're in uncharted territory as far as social media being so privalent, and I might be fair, I think too. Like now, it's also almost like you know where there's so much opinion

and shit all around everybody. Right, you open your phone, you just scrolling on TikTok, whatever the algorithm feeds you, it's gonna make you feel some type of way. You know what I'm saying. You know, I got my niece is she just came out as non binary. She's fourteen years old. I don't even know what that is. I know what it is, but I was like, that, shit, it's crazy, right, I don't want you to identify me

as easy anything. So do they them thing is another thing that's like, you know, I had a conversation with my boy rams about this recently and he was like, and I was to the point where I was like, look, I'm so down if you're if you're born a male, and you're like I I decided I want to be a female, So call me she all right? Cool? That they them thing just breaks my brain a little because because it sounds like I'm talking to multiple people language

the irony is right. I'm a transphot right and people get upset and I'm like, bro, I'm just telling you the truth. I have a genuine fear of trans people. It's confusing to me and it blows my mind. And they never go to the complete other side enough to where even the ones that go all the way over is just like, that's a lot for me. You mean for my brain something that doesn't it's just confusing. I'm confused. So you're you're openly saying you're transphobia. Yes, I've said

this multiple times and people get mad at me. Don't get mad at me because I'm scared the fuck you want me to do? I see that shit. I don't had any conversations with any transfer No, And that's what I'm trying to set up on my podcast because I'm trying to have a better understanding. I don't think they're gonna kill me. It's just a scary thought. The confusion worries.

Do you think being confused and being scared of separate or the kind of the same, because scared is like or you know, when we hear the word transpher fear means danger, right, so that the danger would be right if if for most black men, you would be worried that you're gonna run into a woman that was a man, right that before previously right you could have had the Johnson sliced off, could have got the breast, all the female hormones. But you still don't want that to happen

to you. That's a big thing. I wouldn't want that to happen to me. That would bother me. So you want to have an open conversation with someone who's from the trans community to understand, because I do think that there are people who genuinely decide, like I'm not this and in order for me to be happy and fulfilled, I have to live my life this way. And I respect that concept completely and all of those other concepts. Right. The problem is when you start trying to change what

I see. That's my problem. So I think that that see, that's what I don't like, That's what I think. I think that, like, you're at least open enough to where you can say, I truly am confused about what this is and have a genuine fear, and I genuinely would like to sit down and have a dialogue with someone who is from that community, because I would like to

understand it more. And I think that that is where what you're saying is different than probably a lot of the hate and bigotry and negativity that someone who is in the trans community, or someone who did grow up as like maybe a trans seventeen or eighteen year old, they experience that word transphobic in a different way. That probably means violent hatred, you know, their health being at risk, you know discrimination. You're saying it in terms of hey, look, really,

this is a language thing. It means you know, like you said danger fear right, and I wouldn't say that you probably fear for your life, no, but you don't understand it. Sure, And so your I think with yours, because I don't want people to be like glasses WANs. They can say that I'm okay with being who I am and honest about who I am. But but but the difference is is like with that word comes and whether or not we like to say this is what it says in the dictionary, what that word comes, a

lot of other stuff attached to it. I don't think. I don't think you're a bigot, not that I would never hell no, And I don't think you're a hateful person. Of course, I hate some people, and I think you're a hateful person. Though I don't think you're I don't think you're in your your your first nature is not being a hateful guy. No, But but I don't think I don't think that's even the worst racist concepts. I think it's all rooted in ignorance. Right, We're all ignorance,

That's what I'm saying. If you're scared, if you if you're a ragnophobic, right, or you have a ragnophobia, right, you're scared of spiders, it's because you don't understand. You may think all spiders are venomous, you may think they could bite you, you may think all of that. But if you obviously right, if you informed yourself, or if you were educated, it would bring some level of I also don't want to compare spiders to trans people, because

trans people aren't poisonous. They're just spiders. A lot of spiders are, not even a lot, and the majority aren't. But ceee, I you just did that. See how just see that's the thing with human but nobody trans is poisonous. But again, if let's say, if it's a man who was a woman, like a man right who became a woman that's going out of her way because there is some sleeping with guys who she doesn't disclose that she is and she know that could crush them. That is dangerous.

Now I'm not saying it's dangerous, but I'm saying I don't disagree with you. But I'm saying that's not all of their agenda. It's just like with spiders. Their agenda is not to poison everybody. So the point that you would like to try to understand and sitting down with someone would be some of the I guess the concept of like why why you're deciding to live your life this way? What is it? Well? I think I get

it right. The idea of it makes sense to me. Right, Okay, if you really feel like even though I could never relate, I have no idea. But if you felt you are a woman your whole life and you were a man and you felt that way, I don't think I want to understand how did you feel that way? I don't think that's the point, which part of it is confusing to you. That baffles you no once it happens the fact that you want me to see you different that's the thing that fucks me up. So let me ask

you this. Right, if someone says to you, and I'm not saying, cook on the couch over there, all of a sudden says hey, I'm a woman, call me she, or I'm gonna cancele you. Right, But let's say you meet someone who's let's say you grew up around somebody, you ain't seen him in ten years, and you see them and they've transitioned to a woman. I'm not thinking

that this has happened, so that obviously hasn't happened. Now you know that person as however, you know that person, right, But if they tell you, hey, look glasses, it will make me feel much better. It makes me if you if you refer to me as this, if you refer to me as he, or you refer to me as my old name, it hurts. It fucks me up. And obviously we can't tell anybody how to feel right, is paying Isn't that a minor inconvenience for you to make

someone feel alright? And I'm not saying that your job to make anyone feel alright? Well, that's the thing, right, I would do whatsever convenient I wouldn't ever, just because as much as I'm a transfer right which I wouldn't go. I wouldn't walk up to Bruce to Kaitlin. Rather, I wouldn't call that like I wouldn't. I'm not going out of my way back. Oh, your mom named you Bruce, I'm gonna name you just I'm not fear me. I

just wouldn't even fuck with that person. Now, if it's one of my best friends, I'm ana call him whatever he asking me to call him at or she's ever asking me to call him at that point. But I would be uncomfortable. Why I'm uncomfortable is I don't quite know. I don't know. I'm being honest with you. I have no idea why. It's almost crazy because I'm my fears is usually I could you know see why, But you know this one is weird. I'm not a homophobe at all.

So when people call I laugh, I think it's I think it's dope to just hear you say that like you're open to having Hey, look, this is how I feel. But I want to have a conversation with somebody in the community because but that's what my podcast is all about for me. I don't like to live in ignorance. It bothers me. I hate being afraid of that shit. I hate being afraid of anything. I love conquering my fears.

I think what we also have to understand and what it's been harder for me to understand it recently, really till I had a conversation recently with one of my best friends. Is not everything it has to make sense that makes sense. No, that doesn't make sense because of when you start, when you start trying to make everything make sense, and it's not a plight or something that you can identify with, and it just don't make sense

to you. Some ship just don't gotta make sense. But I think, see, and that's where I think as a thinking man, right, That's why I'm used to the world making sense. So when sometimes things happen that don't make sense right or or out of my realm of understanding, right, I shy away. That makes sense. I mean that makes sense. And and but it also now I get some people get angry and get you know, big You're like, yo,

I'm just shy away. But I'm willing to have a conversation to help and and and pursuing the idea right and pursuing the idea. The character Uncle Clifford. I don't know if that would be you know, if Uncle Clifford's character, because I think the character is a man, but I don't know if that's referred to as a trance or a cross. So I don't know the property. I don't even know what that is. So Uncle Clifford is a character from p Valley. He owns a strip club, right, Oh,

I heard about it. It's it's it's it's Mississippi based. This is black strip club. I heard about it. Yeah, it's fire, it's fire. But this character is one of the best layered characters right for that community. See, that's a great character written for that community. That character is fucking excellently written. And that's what I'm asking, And that's

what human beings need, you know. I mean, like, like, Okay, it's cool to have something that plany the stereotypes, but then give something that people can really understand what and be empathetic towards just because you exist. See, naturally, the act of being a human being, right is to be empathetic, being humane. But it don't come with every model that that's born on this earth. So you have to give

them figures and characters. That's why I don't mind them implicating you know, things and and adult films about, you know, because it'll make you like, like I said, Uncle Clifford, like that shit helped me a lot. Like I'm like, damn that motherfucker cool. I fuck with that. I need to have a conversation with that motherfucker. He might actually be this char What if you think, like I mean, even think about Omar Little in the Wire. I never

watched The Wire. Oh that's another comment. I never watched it. But but but this character is written so well. Yeah, this character's written so well that you know what I mean. That's that's the point I'm saying. I think, I think we can use entertainment and a lot of things to our advantage, but we have to be careful with how we do it. You know, we just can't throw anything out,

you know what I'm saying. That's the problem. So I respect everybody being you know, mindful of what they're doing, especially in some of these places that make a lot of people uncomfortable. You know, just shows ship at people because you right to exist. It's like, you know what I mean, Like it's just tough. That's not the wisest way to do it. If I met a racist white family, I'm not gonna just walk in the house and watermelon chicken to be the nigga they want me to be.

I'm a walking house and be who I am. See, that's and that's what I was saying specifically about any thing. Right, It's one thing that had these big, stupid ass glasses on. It's another thing if I walk in this motherfuck with all these stupid ass blue mandanna's around my neck, riz elbow over exaggerating, I'm a crypt You know this is crip. There are things I could do, subtle things I could do that you will know this script. Maybe I get it in the side of my head. You know, these

glasses over the top all the time becomes corny and clowny. Right, So but I digress, you know what I'm saying. That's the thing, you know, being honest with who you are, Like, I'm not I'm not gonna fight no fucking trans person because they trans Like what the fuck I look like, I'm not fighting nobody. I'm fucking you know. I mean, I'm not fighting nobody that ain't did something wrong to

me or deserve an ass kicking. Now. I mean, listen, man, I think your honesty is great, and I think that more people who feel the way you feel, because we obviously know there's a lot of people who feel that way. And I don't think it's necessarily rooted in a place of hate. It's rooted in a place of misunderstanding and lack of you know, experience or education or whatever. It is the fact that, like you're open to having those conversations and sure, yeah, man, shit, I mean that shit

is big. I don't think I think it's normal for thinking. Man, I need everybody else ain't got time to think. People just really living their life on auto pilot. I'm a thinking person. I like to think. I like to figure it out. I like to be comfortable. It could be a lack of exposure. Yeah, you know what I mean. So yeah, I mean, look at the end of the day, right, there's kids that are being raised in communities that are probably fully white. Right, but that's been my point forever,

that have no idea about black experience. That doesn't make them racist, no, not at all. It makes the ignorant probably, yeah, But but that think about this, think about this, right, But that's why I say I feel the same way about the word racism. It's thrown around entirely too much. Everything to describe everything is racist. It's like just like

everything that's thrown around is a homophobic transphobia. Bro, you got to use that word much better, Like every community needs to use these words much better because to mislabel people, it's actually just kind of promoting the same hate you you're going against. Well, like, think about this. I grew up in Phoenix around I mean, my immediate friend group was African American and Mexican, right, But that was really the two minorities in my life that I was raised around.

So I never really experienced a lot of culture outside of Black culture, Mexican culture, you know, my parents, you know what I'm saying. But like, we went to New York earlier this year and we're in a part of Brooklyn where it was a Hasidic jew community, and that's something I never experienced. So I was like, truly, is that like is that like out here like city with with the hats and so that's that's like out there

Miracle Mount probably, yes. So so the homie we were with was like yeah, they got their own police force. They don't on certain days, they don't touch a phone, they don't touch a buttons like it's you know, and they they're like, yo, they got their own ambulances. You could be on their street and get stabbed and be bleeding to death and their ambulance will pick you up. And it was just telling me like a rundown of like the Hasidic jew culture and shit, and I was enamored.

I was like so intrigued because this is something I never even knew was a thing. Like we're in New York and I'm like, this shit is ill. Should I've been to New York and they was Spanish towns that was racist. But you know what I'm saying, Like, what I'm saying is like just in general, like like you were saying earlier, like yo, you can't. Lack of exposure was the word you use, right, So in the same way that we probably know that there's kids being raised

in white towns who don't know any black people. That's just there. You know, they might have to go to college. They might have to, you know, if they're blessing enough, Yeah, go live their life, because some of them kids will never get out of that fucking podunk town. Man, I didn't been on tour with Tech nine and been to towns. You could tell a dude told me I was a third black person you ever met, which is crazy. You're thinking in the two thousands, that's just a crazy concept.

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Whenever I say, oh yeah, I know Jim alone, people like you know what I'm saying, You're from all walks of life. If this, if it was possible to be respected in this coach, the gangster ship, and also like this fucking guy. And you've done, you've done gathering at the Juggalos and all that shit. Yeah you've been. I mean you were signed a sub noise record for so yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But I wanted to get your take on six ' nine and you know, recently Whack, because Whack on my show said that he didn't feel like six ' nine was a snitch. He said he felt like he was a civilian who told the truth. He's not snitch. So I wanted to kind of get your take because I know you and I have had a discussion about the snitch shit, and it's essentially, you know, what do you

define as that? Okay, So the the flaw in wax discussion with that is he's a civilian, right, So on the West Coast, being a civilian means I guess in theory you're not a part of a gang. You're not a part of the army, the infantry, whatever. That is, right, based off of the real word. But everywhere else that's a rooted in criminal Like snitching has nothing to do

with gangbanging. Snitching is rooted in being a criminal, you know, or mirtha and all these codes go back before crips and bloods or any gangs of black culture existed in this country. Not snitching is a thing in criminality like there are No criminal will respect him, no criminal period will respect him. And I just think Wax not a criminal. Yet what he's saying is obviously not true. He knows that boy is a rat. That boy is a rat. You know, he's a rat. It's only you're not a

rat if you're not a criminal. Like if I did something to somebody that's not a criminal, that's what they're supposed to do in foreign the police. If you do something to a criminal, he's not supposed to We all know this. So because wax argument is rooted in whether or not six ' nine is a gang member. He was a convicted pervert. He was a drug dealer before

you ever met the gang. So you're saying, I mean, and I don't disagree with you that the snitch stigma or the snitch definition what makes someone the snitch is not rooted in gang banging. It's not rooted in whether or not you're a cripper of blood or whatever. It's rooted in a criminal world. And he's a committed criminal. He's devoted to the lifestyle of being a criminal. He

just told it's nothing man. That spin is a good spin for the average I'm saying the average fan out there, you know what I mean, It's a great span for them. But if you're really in the life, man, he's a he's a rat. He know, he a rat. You think Whack Whack knows he's a rat. Yes, he got paid. You think Whack got paid? Oh, no way, got paid to do the interview. Wa got paid. Whack is one of the smartest motherfucker I met when it comes to this music shit. I agree Whack is a brilliant guy.

Feel me he got paid. He he might have got to a three checks. I wouldn't be surprised if it come out he got a check because they talking about promoting a fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Couz got a check from you know, Spotify for doing the shit with academics. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a check from Lucien and Elliott for promoting the artists and

trying to establish his brand. What got paid? It does feel like now six ' nine, if he were to like release music right now or try to get the music popping again, it does feel like that the Whack thing helped a lot as far as making it easier for, like you said, surface level consumers to swallow it, to believe he has some level of credibility and he has none. He's a horrible human being. Do you think like six ' nine is one of Snitch nine is one of the

worst human beings? I've ever encountered like Hitler bad. He's horrible. He literally is manipulative, you know. He He's one of the type of people that you don't want to be around. He's literally full of shit. He will do anything to be to have attention, write anything, anything to have attention. And he's manipulative. He knows people aren't that bright, so he's taking advantage of it. Cous might be like shaping himself. He's manipulating a Mexican community by so all, he's Mexican, bro.

That dude is full of shit. He's a fucking rat. He's a rat because he didn't want to deal with the crimes. He had other people do for him. He paid him. It has nothing to do with gang. They didn't do it for free. That's how much they didn't respecting that they he charged them. If I call my homeboy to do something, they gonna do it for me, period, and I wouldn't call him. He paid them. He was a criminal before them, he'll be a criminal after them.

Right now, he's a working informant. Like I'm looking at the stuff twenty one savage and I'm doing talking about fighting this man. What are y'all thinking? And this man will get you put in prison right now, this ain't over. You don't just snitch one time all on the case that big can get that little time. He's a permanent informant. He's going to tell for twenty or thirty years that man is a rat. Whack no here rat. Everybody know

you're rep do you? I mean? Because I mean look, at the end of the day, I think Wack had a conversation with him in which he held him as accountable as we've seen someone hold him accountable. I don't know if you watched the interview, I wouldn't there. They be having clubhouses, I wouldn't be in a room listen. I won't. I won't consumers comp I won't consumer's content. I won't do nothing. You know, I gave him a chance. Initially, I fucked with him. I listened to his music. I

didn't appeared all that right, great records. But bro, once you once, once you are a criminal, and you break that code again. It's a sense of ethics. You have no real ethics as a human being. Feel me like, I'm just not fucking with you. You were fucking well, let me ask you this with Whack like obviously, like you said, he's one of the more brilliant guys. I mean, I got love for Whack. Whack's always been solid with me. Do you think that he made a mistake by having

that conversation with six or nine? And at least I don't think he's aligning himself with him in any capacity. I think they obviously have an open line of communication. I think Whack held him accountable in that interview at all, but essentially saying you're a snitch, even though he said he know he's a damn like you know that music is corny. He know he's a snitch. So my question to you is, like, do you think Whack made a mistake even having any sort of, you know, conversation with

that guy. It depends on what he values. I wouldn't have no conversation with that motherfucker for no amount of money. Whack might value something different, you know what I mean. It could be money. Maybe he never plans to be on Crenshaw Boulevard another day in his life, you know, Or he's not going or at the street races or in some level of street activity. Maybe he's transitioning to a business world. None of the niggas that I fuck

with on no street level would ever do it. Even the ones that's in his business, they will never do that. I don't give fuck what money, none of us fucking with that rat period at all, feel me. So, did Whack make a mistake, that's up to him. He had to value whatever he benefited from doing it. But he knows that what he's saying is definitely you know, he know he's a snitch. He didn't he know he he know the boys a rat. He know he a rat. It's obviously he's a rat. He rat it in front

of everybody on paperwork. He's a rat. It's obvious he's a rat. You know what I'm saying. So Whack would probably be the person to ask if he made a mistake. I don't think he should have did it. I think Whack making great money, you know, But then I'm not in the man pockets. I don't know what's important to him. I don't I don't know. I mean, even knowing him, I never sat down to say, man, what's important to you is, Let's say, wha truly does believe he's a civilian.

It doesn't feel like you don't think, not one like one seventeen percent. He does not believe he's none of that. It's not about that Whack. No, snitching has nothing to do with games. Whack is as smart, if not smarter than I am. He knows that why he's a snitch. But he also understands how to spend his story. He's really good at marketing. He's really good at what he does. But he know that boy is a snitch. And because he is representing power rule, because he is representing blood.

I don't think you should have did it at all because it's a bad look for the culture. Feel me completely in my mind, But Whack is one individual that represents Whack when it's said and done. You know, as much as we all want to hold each other accountable, I'm gonna keep being a representation for the streets and all of the people that look to me. And I'll never sit down with that rat. And if I'm in I'm like making them on the phone, hold up, I'm

blowing feel me. I'm nigga fuck all that shit. I'm not. I'm getting away from you. Feel me or if we got an issue, IM finna get cracking on you. It ain't it ain't nothing personal, bro, you just a fucking raggedy ass, evil ass, fucking satan ass bitch ass nigga use a fucking I don't disagree with you on the kid's character. I do think that what he kind of did was expose a lot of hip hop to be

exactly that entertainment. When I'm not talking about with the whack thing, I mean just in general, like when he got out of jail and he, I mean he's seen it, ain't moving around rather nicely with no not I mean, I know, like like they overselling it. No, no, no, I know, so like he'd be with a lot of YouTube. I've heard. I've heard what you're talking about. I've heard that, right. But he's a really sinister kid. He's and he's not a kid. He's a really sinister, evil last man. You

know what I'm saying. He's a really sinister, evil last man. He's really sinister. He's really evil. Nothing the body is cool, nothing, the bodym is good. Him dying would be the best thing that happened to his daughter. That's how fucked up over a motherfucker he is. Like, he's a horrible human being. His family would be better off without him. He's that horrible like you don't meet y'all don't see it's it's hidden behind all the bullshit and this rap shit, or

you know he's exposed, he's not. He's evil, like he's a different level of sinister and he's a coward and he's not willing to be held account. He's doing ship where he know people can't get to him. He goes places in the middle of times when he know people that he's not walking up on people. And if he's walking up on him now, it's because he has a support of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. That's it. Nothing about him is good. His daughter would be better off

without him, Like I hope you feel me. Eventually he understands how fucked up of a fucking human being he is. He's a piece of shit, fucking rap and whack noses Whack knows whack know this. He not, he know, you know, they know, we all know. You've had a storied career in terms of obviously your come up, some of the labels you've been with, some of the tours you've been on. Uh, you know, I think I first had got hip to you on one of the early Black Wall street mixtapes

sounds about right. I feel like that. Yeah, that's where I started peace fold and then obviously you know, from there, you know, you end up with cash money. Cash money is a place, and Birdman is a guy who seems to be He's a legend, first of all, when it comes to just his tree is crazy. Probably to go. When it comes to his tree, either tree or Dre's tree, you gotta go. Yeah, Dre and Russ and Stunner probably

got the trees of all trees. And so he's also a guy who's had some sort of like you know, polarized love hate thing going on the last ten years or so. When it comes to like him, what's perceived as him maybe doing artists wrong. So sign the shitty contracts, whatever the case is, right, how is your experience on cash money great? It was, And I'm not saying it like I have no fear of none of that, no

motherfucker right, But the dude was great to me. I learned more shit than I ever knew about the business. I learned the time, man, Like, it was awesome to me. Now, let me ask you this, because you you also correct me if I'm wrong. Were you also who banging as well. Yeah, same time Max Ten. So because I remember mac ten had banger Ball, which is one of the most slept on albums. Yeah, I like that that album's and he was on Cash Money. Was that who kind of introduced

you into the cash ma? Ma ten? Did I feel like mac ten? We don't give him enough flowers? Man? You know, I agree? I agree because mac Ten I feel like he's not as active. We don't see him on like interviews like we see a lot of these other out of itself. You see his lad interview. He was like, yes, he wouldn't answer no question. He was like, was that what they said? Well, they said, y'all saw the thirty seven people, That's what they said. I was like,

you knows what, you know what to do. But but so your your time on Cash Money was solid, Like what was amazing so far in your rap career? Right, because you've done records with everybody, what has been one time where you can remember as like your fondest memory as a fan of this shit while being in it, while being in it where you almost were like, damn, look who I'm standing next to or damn, look who I'm on the stage with it, or Damn. Look who I'm on this record with, Like, what was that moment

for you? Just recently with Rafaeosa Dick. Wow, I know that's crazy right through. So Scarface probably is my favorite rapper. So I take that back right, I'm not taking it back. It's three moments. I can't do one because now it's been so long, it's been fifteen years. So it's three specific times. The first time is when jay Z. I

was in jay Z's office at Depth jamming. He was like talking about how dope I was and he wanted to sign me, and he was like, Yo, you wanted the best I ever heard do it from the West. That shit. I couldn't even talk during the whole meeting. Like my nigga d one of my best friends, had to talk for me because I had listened. I had consumed that much hole. I mean to where I'm living my life, ain't in drugs, to this nigging music. And one day I'm sitting in his office and he telling

me how great I am. Like that shit fucked me up. That's tough, like you, I mean, that was like tough. Not signing to him was tough. You know what I'm saying? That was one of them, the second one of them probably Okay, So then that's where the roth Felsa Dieke comes in. I just did a record with him, probably with the within a year ago, and you know, I was talking to him Richie rich hooked me up with him and he gave me my number and we was talking, chopping up. He's like, yeah, I know you is I

fuck with your ship? You tough? And and I sent him a record and just how helpful he was he was explaining certain things. That ship was like crazy, it's ro it's my mom. You know, it's kind of like one of my mom's favorite bands, Tony Tony Tone. I grew up to this ship and this is I feel a deep Like still Ray is my ship for R and B for me. So that ship was like Cray. Even now sometimes be like I got his number in my phone, I'll be like, damn, I feel it's a deep.

And the third one is not really me right, the third one is and I don't think people really know. But it's when Jay Rock win went gold. Hmmm, right, why was that such a big deal? Because I know where we came from. I know how much shit we went through, and Jay Rock for people who don't know, like there was an entire generation in La hip hop that was kind of shunned exactly, and and and he was a part of it. You were a part of it,

and so many others were part of it. And because forever the only only dude that really had any attention or love was Game. Yeah, we doctor dre production. Honestly, it matters. The producer is the key, you know what I'm saying. But Jay Rock Win, when I seen when they had put out a press release that they went gold. So the first record that he you know, he had the record that was the future and Kendrick right, that's

platinum right right. But then when Win happened and I seen the press release go out, like it was like a part of me that just felt like Wade came off, you know, like my shoulders and it had shit to do with me. I mean, it was just like damn man, like look what we had to go through to get here, Like it's it's fucking me up there later, you know what I mean. Like, and like my nigga went through a lot. Man. We don't even talk as much as

we used to. You know, we don't see each other as much as we used to, but like that shit meant so much to me, Like that ship was so important. I had to see that happen. You know, I think about Pe and certain homies all the time. Problem Bishop, you know, all the shit we went through just to try to bring the West Coast together and to be shunned. Yeah, nip man, like that ship. It bothers me, but I

can't see him get his shit. You know, everybody finally showing him love, and it's like y'all waited till this man was gone. Now. I remember having interviews with Nipsey were around the time where he was really not fucking with the fact that Dre was not co signing all these young We all went through that, yeah, I mean, and we knew how important. We just didn't know why.

But we figured out why it was so important. But honestly, man, that Jay Rock getting that gold plaque for when like that, for sure is the most thirst And I celebrated it to myself. I mean, I wrote a song a verse about it on somebody Else's feature and talked about how hard it was for all of us and how it finally happened for him. You know what I'm saying that shit is like one of the greatest things. It's like one of the greatest stories in hip hop that's not

told how much shit he went through. If y'all know how much shit he went through, man, and how cold it was for us, and how niggas shut us down and shut us out, and you don't realize, like that label was started on Jay Rock's back exactly. You know what I'm saying. People don't understand the different Like there was the he was on Warner Brothers and then that they don't know how to handle nobody on the West Coast,

you know what I'm saying. So that didn't work out, and then they tried to strange music then put them on Toward with tech, you know what I mean. Like there's so much and when it all came down, it was right there. It was all sitting right there, and so just the watch that happened was like, man, it was special. Even every time I hear the commercial like I just smiled and such a that's so soon it's gonna lift forever. Yeah snks in movies and hear it

in Singsic Sports Center. I just smiled so big and then nobody know what I'm thinking, but I'm like, man, thank god, yeah, feel me, thank God. What was your most successful record, certified? Was it? What was your biggest record as far as like, so Certified is somewhere close to God, I would say that Good. I think that

Good is my greatest record. It may not be the most that has soul right, but it's the one to head exactly first beat and but it was the one we built from the ground up, and to me, it was the first time one of my records was celebrated went with great club record. No, not the akond of Setter, for obviously, that's a fantast tomb Like you know, what song I really loved was the one with the what was the name of that that group that was on the hook I Get money or I Get There, I

Get There? That was so dope, the cataracts I get. But the most important obviously is Tupac Must Die. That's the one that's when I finally put my own brick in hip hop and it had my name on it. For that, like the whole culture, they couldn't unify behind me for no moment when it comes to music, I mean, and that became that moment where it's like, damn, I'm there. You know what I'm saying. So now I feel like

i'm you know really that's why I got. I got shipped to do still ship that make crack, I got its own. I know you're sitting on I mean, you haven't put out a ton of music. I'm just starting putting out singles again. Just mean in terms of like your output hasn't been crazy, but the song doesn't matter. Yeah, but it's gonna go up now. Me and you feel the same way about one album, and that is Doggy Style. I think Doggy Style is in my life, the most

important album ever. Definitely the greatest hip hop of all time. I put it around two or three, you know the number one clearly, but Doggy Style like changed my life. That was What's funny is I wasn't even a fan of Doggy Style like that. That's literally probably twelve years old or thirteen years old, bro. I was five and my grandma got that tape on accident in the mail. Remember it used to be able to go in the

magazine and remember that. So she had like fifteen tapes delivered to her house and one of them was Doggy Style. I don't know how I got in there. But my grandma's old as fuck. She didn't fucking Snoop Dog That's how I fuck got It's a fucking cartoon cover. She don't know what it was, Snoop DOGG so she gave everybody. So she gives me Doggy Style. And I had already had like boys de men, some boys dement shit right

the dog you stay. I'm five, I'm in kindergarten, and I'm at night in my bed with my little walkman. This is horrible pearing just what's funny? That's why I had already learned the entire fucking album by heart. And then my mom had heard me listening to it and freaked out and took it, took the tape from me. So I already knew it, and then I and then I found it and took it back, and yeah, what's funny is I have no personal connection. I just love

that album. It is so I point the first time I ever met Snoop, I'm like, bro, you changed my life with Dog. You don't understand like you you know, keep turning me out as a five year old. I have no personal connection to It's just such a person. I think it's a perfect album. And I think Snoop Dogg is, like, you know, I feel like somehow he's still underappreciate it. But he's the greatest hip hop artist ever. He's the greatest hip hop artist ever with the greatest

hip hop album ever. And again it's tough. It's in your face. I mean, Snoop is, like I was just telling my partner, and I say this a lot Snoopers like McDonald's. Man, he came out, you feel me, big Matt. You know that he had to gangster rap like it's fast food, like it's the Big Mags gangster rap. And since then he's been able to deliver pimping and chicken nuggets,

you know what I'm saying. He been able to deliver gospel albums and parfas and all kind of reggae ship and all kind of shit and everything in the world. I think he's the I think I think he's the biggest. You know, I think Snoop, I think when you say he's the greatest, so I said the greatest, I understand that because he's the biggest. He's like you said, he's like McDonald's. Because nobody doesn't know who Snoop is. I don't care how old you are. Exactly, my ninet year

old lady knows who Snoop Dogg is. Exactly. Nobody has ever been there know him because he's a fucking rapper. They don't know him because he does this that that, Oh the rapper Snoop. It's Snoop Man. And I've been hearing a lot of slack about that, like people like I don't have no personal I don't have no personal

connection to Doggie staff. That's not like I heard you know who in mind the songs like okay cool, but when I was coming into my own, For me, I'm more of a baby dog food, you know what I mean, or the shadiest one. I'm a baby at those product. I know you love the shadiest Yeah, like with a whole other regards, but doggy style is what hip hop

is all about. Like when Cool hirking them through that party on August eleventh, I think it's nineteen seventy three, you know what I mean, And it was a party that's Snoop Dogg's music. You came to the most cultural phenomenon of a party ever with that project. Yeah, I think Snoop has not only that album, but I just think in terms of like figuring out, like everyone who does music, their goal should be to figure out what's

Snoop figured out? And that's how to no matter what's going on, Like Snoop don't need a record on the radio to be relevant. Snoop is never not going to be relevant never, And how do you do think about it? I was at home on Peacock watching this motherfucker literally throwing on. I'm not watching the Olympics. I've been watching the Snoop talk about the Olympic. Snoop fuck was throwing the javelin cuz and that bro, you got hit them.

He's not an Olympic. NBC jacket on talking about how the horse was Kripwalker and he's, Cousin, that's what I'm saying. He's cussing, you know, he's yes, you know he's talking about the man. That horse is krip walking. I see him on Channel eleven, cousin Christina Devine, Look Christina Cuz. I was like, god, damn, that's really what Greaton has

looked like. This motherfucker is crazy. But again, man, when you really step back and you look at that, like I said, you go back to August eleven, nineteen seventy there it's a party. Is Doctor Drake DJing Snoop on them? I think the only artist I've seen that might have a chance to be that big, like in thirty years is maybe Drake. But I don't think Drake has the personality or the chemistry the Snoop ass. Drake doesn't represent culture.

That's the problem. I mean, like Snoop is the phenomenon because he's the centerpiece in the face of probably Black America's greatest, maybe not as celebrated, but most famous culture. Gang culture. Man, he is the face of it, right, crips, and he was the face over here, was the face of it during a time when the allure was at an all time high. Well think about it, right you you we talked about this the other day. Colors is

the initial exposure at the highest level. Right, you move forward, you get Boys in the Hood, which is a film about it that does seventy million right in ninety one, and then here go these niggas, you know, doctor Dread Snoop. It's like a they picked up Boys in the Hood and just like, let's finish it off, and Snoop just took it to a level. You know, Ice T Gangs wrapping and Snoop just finished and he's the face. Drake's situation is different because he's just a pop star. Drake

has always been a pop star. It's like Snoop didn't start as a pop star. No, and even now as much as a pop he's still not a pop star. He's still not a pop still Snoop Dogg, He's still Snoop.

Like he ascends past some of these things. Like you said, some shit don't make sense and Snoop, I like if you were to say, like Snoop would be if we think, you know, thirty years down the line that Snoop would be hosting shows of Martha Stewart or hosting the Olympics, you would just in nineteen ninety four, someone would have told you that. You would have said, what if you'd have told me he was going to be out of prison?

Goody was gonna go to fucking prison for murder? So again, man, Snoop is just different, anomaly man, everything you know Sug. You know, Shug doesn't get enough credit, Doctor Dre doesn't

get enough credit. You know, you still got probably the greatest vision with sug Knight, who understood the vision for what was going on, right, and you got the greatest people, the greatest person probably at the time or period making hip hop records, I mean, and they put together August eleventh, nineteen seventy three, the greatest party the West Coast ever had. This is the greatest party we ever offered the world. Like you came to this party and Snoop is on

the mic and Warren g is on the couch. It's the greatest party you've ever been to. You hear it. They got the liquor, they got a special liquor that they drag, and you drank gin and juice. You got the lingo. It's the culture is there? Feel me? It's the greatest party you could go to. It. No matter what we think about hip hop, it's still rooted in

a party. Well, it's funny because you and I have had an argument about You said, Drake's not hip hop, no, no, no no, And I said, listen, Drake makes hip hop music. And you said, well, Drake, there's no culture with Drake. I think Drake makes rap records, okay. And I understand the concept of and the reason I really kind of didn't even care about this conversation no more is because I never thought of it as a derogatory thing. Like I never thought as a derogatory thing to classify things.

I don't Again, I'm back to the same point of I don't care how you want me to look at you. Let's talk about the classification of things so we have some sense of things that we can share, versus we creating the world where everybody could be anything they want. I don't like that, right, Like, you know what I mean. I don't think that's wise. I think that's really ignorant. And it's going to come into a place more. You're gonna bread a lot of people wasting their time. It's

gonna be a lot of people already confused. We already come into this world confused, and you're allowing me to exist in the space of confusion, right, which means a suicide rate is gonna go up. But with Drake specifically, hip hop is culture. It's lingo, it's style, its cuisine, it's fashion. Everything about it is the flavor. Feel me. The flavor. It's like you know what I mean, It's like soulful, It's like like yes, like the concept of fried Chicken initially could be soul for right. That don't

mean Kentucky Fried Chicken sell soul food. They got greens, that don't mean they sell soul food. They got all this stuff that don't mean they sell soul. Full rapp was popularized by hip hop, but it is not exclusive. Debbie Harry was rapping in the saying, Drake makes rap music, but he's not hip hop. No, I think that he's not a cultured rapper. He has no culture. He doesn't represent any culture. Drake is a fantastic rapper who makes

fantastic rap songs that turn into pop songs. And he could sing his fucking ass off the way he sings. He can carry a note only the way he can. He makes fantastic records. NonStop is one of my favorite fucking records period, feel me. But again, to compare him to somebody that's carrying the burden of culture on their back, like a Jay Z or a Snoop, These dudes represent entire rams of worlds of shit. I mean, ideas, all

of this. They represent it with the way they talk, the way they speak, everything about what they're doing there, they're walking with more. Drake is a I mean, and I don't want to simplify his life because I'm sure he had his own struggles. But this is a kid that come from Nickelodeon. That's a rapper, what you know. I mean, it's just a different plight. This nigga came from a Doe spot. This nigga came from feel Me Long Beach cripping. The plifs are different calling you know, man,

it's just crazy. But again, I never thought of THEFC analogies. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, I never thought of it as a negative connotation. I didn't think could Drake be considered one of the greatest of all time? Then in your eyes artists rapper MC, yeah it's a rapper. Sure, hell yeah, I'm a fucker rap. I'm a fucker rap. But again, hip hop is his own special thing. So like he could be one of the greatest rappers. He could rap his eyes off that MoU he could rap.

I mean, but then again, people talk about righting and all kind of shit. But yeah, I mean, listen, I think that that's a discussion that's been beat over the head. I think Drake, I'm confident Drake and rapping. It's it's obvious. Yeah, I mean now, now, Steven wanted to what I have liked him to have replied to push your t Sure, that's different. He didn't want that smoke. You don't go to the cultures, different when you go into the root

of culture. But he but he did get me. He got Meek Miller b out of here for a couple of years. Yeah, but Meek is and as much as Mik is, that's different. Mik is somebody who literally his whole story is I was broken. I'm rich, that's fair. I mean, push is different. Push. I told everybody I said that that ain't Meek Mill, y'all better different And all these white kids who don't know about the clips and push your tea, y'all don't know what you're signing up for. And he knew if he gave a record,

he would give life to that record. You don't want people to hear that record. So the best way to do it is just back away, like oh that you know that way you don't because if you mentioned him, people going to hear that. And when they hear that, you know, violence is violence, and they gonna know like that ship is savagery because that pushes the product of culture. That's savagery. Yeah. Push is one of my favorite rappers ever. So pushes some ship man that ship is fucking. I

was just I was like chomping at the bed. And I'm one of those guys that was cheering for Drake and the Meek Meal battle and you know me too, me too. At the time, I just wanted him to fight back, like, don't let these dudes pick on you, yo, stand up, like, you know, get cracking. I didn't appreciate like Meek's whole entire Twitter ship, and I just thought

I didn't. He stepped out of character a lot, and I, you know, I tend to find out it's his character, right, but look to find out at first he was so so. But when Drake came with fucking back to back, I remember li but but you know what, it might have fucked Drake up because he turned into a super tough guy after that. And then but but then Pushing t

was like, hold up, it's different. Yeah. Push is one of those guys where you're like, you know the same thing with Kendricks is not a gangster rapper, but you know, nobody wants to with Kendrick. That's the product of culture. Nobody like like you notice, like I'm like, Yo, nobody want smoke a push your t Nobody wants smoke with Kendrick Lamar, And nobody really wants to smoke with Freddy Gibbs either, because fred has had some dare people to

say his name on records. There's like certain artists where you're like, Yo, Royce to five nine, you don't want that problem. You don't want the Royce to five to nine problem on a record. Lupe was only until I was teasing give it their friends they got a podcast together. But what's funny is, look, so you don't want problems

with the root of culture. Yeah, Like when you see somebody represents a bunch of people, like they represent a lifestyle, they represent through hopes and dreams, you don't want to fuck with that person. And some of these dudes really represent that and not being one. I mean, it's some guys that represent a lot. You just notice certain people like just you don't say their name, you know, you know,

I will say this. One of those guys who I thought would just be a bad idea that step two was eminem but I thought MGK got them And I don't think he got him lyrically, but I think he wanted it. I don't even think Eminem has really good. My favorite Eminem disc record is the one with you MGK. My favorite ship was the Ship hits the Fan, like all that ship. I love that era when it was just a lot of mixtape ship to him talking. I talk about Jo rule that the only good disc records

on Java was fifth Oh yeah, everything else. I could have just the Eminem But the Eminem record where he did mg K, that was one of my favorite because you know why, he had fun with it. I just think that mg K won because it was too close and mg K had a great record. Mg had a great record and the fact that we even thought about it means mg K one Eminem is is. By the way, MGK is not like he's a good rapper, you know what I'm saying. He's a rock but he's not in

the same arena a world as MC. But the difference is a great song versus a great rap. Me Also, the subject matter was like, yeah, yeah, that's made a great record. The same thing think about think about so when Pusher put out his freestyle against Drake, Pusher wasn't even trying to rap. He was just he went to hit him up ro out with that first freestyle. That's why I couldn't wait to see the second record, because I'm like, oh, this is just him just being extremely

disrespectful at hitting record. He hasn't even applied himself as an MC yet. Yeah, yeah, no, it's different again the root of culture. I like the eminem dis to MGK, Like I thought the this itself I was my favorite disc. I thought he had a lot of fun. I think he MC his ass off. But again, competing with a record is different. In MGK. That's probably mgk's best record too, it's not. I mean, I love MGK. He's been putting out some rock shit lately that reminds me of like

Lincoln eighty two and shit. So I'm like, hey, this reminds me of high school. It was bad, east Side was cool. He had some cool joints, But that one is probably his greatest record, That's the thing. Yeah, I mean I feel the same way about NAS. I think ether is Noah's greatest word. I hate that beat. You hate the beat? I beat his fucking fire Ron browse ever the bitching you by coming favorite or greatest? My favorite favorite favorite, not greatest favorite. I think the greatest

just hit him up, that's probably the greatest. You know, vasline is crazy. That's a toughness up there. My favorite Dish record, man, Honestly, the greatest is probably back to Back though, because that still gets played on the radio and in the club. Yeah, it's it's different too. That's a monster talking about just like a record for playability. Favorite Dish record. Damn, that's a good Dish you know what. I won't lie and it's probably gonn to be some ship.

But dollars and cents DJ Quick oh man, that they said, eh T was shit? I continue, you left out the G because the G ain't in you? That record was fire fire. I ate about that. I said, when you heard that line, did you at least like because that line was crazy? We said, e I h T. But should I continue? You left out the G because the g' Oh no? He was like, yeah, no, that ship was hard. That was a good record. That one was like and I liked eight, I liked h. Steele, but it was like, fuck, nah,

that ship was crazy. It had to be that Dollars and cents dollars and says it's legend that's a quick Another guy on the second is Takeover, and people don't talk about Takeover. Why. I don't think it's because it's not a full disc record. It's lines on it. We got a lot of people on Takeover. No, butsonically, I think it's probably my favorite. I think it's such a The beat is so good. Ether was great because I'm a NAS fan before I'm a j Man was like the tidal wave bro hit him up, my boy Deep.

It was like, fuck jay Z. It was just like that ship was Jicks sucking lips. Yeah, you can't beat that type of energy. I was teasing my boy. My boy is a super duper NAS fan, and I'm a super at this time. Hole. I fuck with Hole. When Takeover came out on a blueprint and I was just playing it over, he was in the car like, yeah, yo, wait on none of this smoke and Ether drop, I was like, fucking christ ship Man, ether Man. That ship is a part of the culture, That record is a

part of the culture. That title that that music is part of me. Now you get it. It's a verb. You got ether? People said, man, man, you got ether, Like stand yeah, lambs exactly. Everyone says no, you're a stand for that stand off of some hip hop ship. Yeah, Nas, Nasah, you know what song I didn't think get enough love was the song the Blueprint two? On the Blueprint two or that just Blazebee where he's like when the when the when the the what did he say when the

grass is cut? The Snow Show. Gotta thank the little homie NAS for that, though, just because he wears a coofie, it don't mean that he's right. Is it Uchie Wally Wally? There is? It wasn't Mike is it? Black Girl? Lost as it? Shorty owe you for ice? No one talked about that because the battle was already won by NAS. It was over funny is so like right my favorite NAS verse like all my homies obviously, if you like jays is my favorite rapper ever. M see ever, that's crazy,

It's that's dope. So but if you're a jay Z fan, naturally NAS fans literally the clashed. I love. I love both, but I was I was on that side where I was like Manu rich So as a whole fan right as a deep way and NAS fans, I remember, right, I would you know we would be talking ship to this day as much as even I've grown to appreciate. I've always liked nas No as a rapper. I just I thought was overrated, I thought crazy. Listen not It's just it's just the shadiest one for New York. Just

his greatest rap. I'm not even mad if that's what you feel, right, But I'm just saying it was. It was super you know, a regional idea that became bigger. But over the time, right, my favorite naship we made you the Verse on Kanye record right even now right listening to him now with hit like put on hit and do shit for hit, right, It's amazing. But I find myself still teasing my homies, like I'm like, yeah, little nas X got nas name. It's funny, right, how

that shit never dies? You still be teasing your homies like, yeah, this is the new nas you know niggas high. Nas Empty is my favorite man now is my favorite MC, and Kanye is my favorite artist. Kanye is just unbelievable discography. I don't know how fuck the music everything he does animal, He's an animal man ship, He's an animal. I think I was just not a fan of the Jesus King album outside of that, but I'm also I mean, we discussing I'm an atheist. I'm not into the god ship

anything they got spirit. I don't hate anything. I just I just was like, man, this is just forcing it down to I guess it's kind of like the you know, the Little For me, it was like like Jesus Walks. Yeah, but it was one song on an album. So you said an album, wasn't I wasn't. There were some beats on it that were crazy shout out to the Homie books, but the whole album, sure, it wasn't. It was Jesus Walk.

It wasn't Jesus don't do that. No, no, no, no, no. Jesus walks and Jesus talking about subject matterwise, but Jesus Walks still as an agreement. I mean, it's one of the best. Kanye Satan is probably playing Jesus Walk, right. Jesus Walk was a fucking banger, right, And it was one song on a song of I mean, nineteen twenty one records whatever called drop it was. It was like one out of that much Jesus Walks was or Jesus

King was like super unfocused. Now Kanye, he was not focused, and it was like I thought that all the fucking the shit he was doing with all the the choir and all that shit was corny. I like that. I don't think it was quanny corny. I thought that Kanye has always been a spiritual person. No, I don't disagree. I just thought that ship was very like purpose. It didn't feel genuine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like it just got like I think I felt. I think he was. I think he was in a weird place

and I think he was going through it for sure. Personally, he's been going through a lot. Mentally. I mean, I think I think he had to kind of get spiritually centered. And I think I forgive Kanye for all kinds of fuckery and I forgive him for the for the Jesus. I mean, Kanye is my favorite artist ever, Like I love Kanye. I can't wait for Donda to come out. I just hope it does not disappoint. I don't think it will, and how could it live up to these expectations.

I think it's gonna. I mean, for me, I think it will. I just need to I just need to competence Kanye album and I'll be happy. I'll be honest with you, Kanye could do everything right now. And I really Kanye is probably the only rapper ever who just do what the fuck he wes. I just like, yay, bro, whatever ya gonna do because I'm fucking with it. And and I and I and I think it's always from a genuine place. Has Kanye been corney? I don't really

think Kanye. I don't think he does things without soul. No, I don't think Kanye's corny. Yeah yeah, no, I I just said for me, I just thought that there. I remember the wire thing. Just to me, it's just one thing. I have to go to a Kanye concert. I've never been to a Kanye I've been to every tour except the Pablo tour. Because the date I was supposed to go to, I might get I might get him become performed at my birthday party. I've been to all the Kanye tours. The best show I ever been to was

was the Yeezest tour. He had a mountain on stage. I heard about that. Have Kanye perform at my birthday party. That's what I might do. I'm like, where is this going to be at? I don't know, to be at like a house, a small house. He could rock like thirty people go old school for me, that would be like crazy, Let's get to it. Hey, I'll be there, Just give me my invite. Man. Hey, well look man, g Malone plug the podcast No Silings, Black Effect Network,

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that level man, No ceilings. It's available everywhere you listen to podcasts. It's all about, you know, conversations with pariz in our community and polarizing topics and really running into the fire instead of leaving everybody in the house burning and just trying to run into the fire and rescue as many people as we can instead of just walking by taking a picture of a burning house. That's what No Selings is. So go get that, and then there's

music every week. Every week, you're putting out a song every week. No, no, I'm saying I wish no I'm dropping music. I'm saying every week. I'm speeding up to every week. Right now, I've dropped three songs. I've dropped record with Snoop and Iced Tea, Snoop and Iced Tea and tie right, and then I dropped a song with Gaming Corrupt. And now the next song is with forty in Oh, So you're really just legendary features only here man. For years we wanted to be a part of the

West Coast and we felt like they wasn't. So now that the opportunity is present, I'm finally getting what was the Ice Tea called like? That was in person? Oh? That was amazing because Ice T is on another He's in an Iced Snoop are as advertised Ice Tea is, I mean a legend on TV now, Ice Team Snoop was ours avatars. Those are not characters. There's no other body else. There some a lot of rappers, ninety percent of the rappers. Ice T has turned into a great

Arizona citizen. Now it is out, and I think it was a Chandler. Ice Tea is proclaiming him now as you should. Ice Tea is as advertised, He's exactly what it is, correct, corrupt man, corrupt, corrupt up here snoop, like snoop that Iced Tea is that those two guys are as advertised. Besides, is the shadiest one because I think you would see my favorite album. Would you say it's the most slept on hip hop album on from

the West Coast? Ever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, fair Oh no, I wouldn't say it's the most slept on. I would probably lead that for street gospel. I was gonna say Streets is a Mother and or forty days forty nights, four days forty nights is super nasty. But streets, I think how much the West revers street gospel. That's why like, Streets is a Mother is pretty remarkably close.

But Corrupt was already a successful artist. Yeah so, but street gospel sugar Free, like I don't think the world knows, Yeah, I don't think. I also don't think like like people understand how much of fluid sugar Free had Yeah, just on everywhere, not just not just here. But I'm saying so I think that album would be the most underrated and he's he comes as advertising. Yeah, that's for sure that that was a real guy. I saw him on a bitch on Alicia in Vegas. Yes, the real deal.

But the thing about the shadiest one is what ill matters kids to New York. It's very much She's my Probably when westat side connection was like like when bout Down came out was my favorite. I stopt dub. He could out wrap anybody from l A at the time, was nasty and just his little aneurysm, skip skip connect all that. When I hear illmatic, that's what I hear the shadiest, when I hear this super deep dive into true culture like Queensbridge culture and was doing ship with

like Gangstar. He was on the but before that, I was on the shady No, that was way before that. But I'm talk about the shadiest one where he dives into LA culture probably greater than anybody ever had sonically and and also like lyrically, like the lingo he was using what he talked about. He talked about the part of the house, part, he talked about all of the lifestyles and situations. It was like that's are illmatic, you

know what I mean? And I and I'm sad that other people you know, huh, I mean, I mean I've never heard that aside from you. Yeah, it's ario Madic, the way we just don't have as much sway over the media, you know, as obviously the creators of the actual fucking genre as they should. But that's ario Madic. Okay, the shadiest one is ario Matic, all right. Last question two thousand and one of the Chronic two thousand and one,

me too. Yeah, I mean I was fucking I barely fucking knew with Dolli styles, but I have to go back and consume Doggie style and the Chronic. I heard them right, And I think two thousand and one butt revalue re replay value now, but personally for me it's two thousand and one. But when you just talk about share greatness, the Chronic is the father, No, for sure, the Chronic birth to everybody shit. But I just think, like, if I'm a listening, yeah, I'm play two thousand and one,

two thousand, Yeah, all right, yo, gim malone. Go check out the no Ceilings podcast everywhere hopefully be on YouTube soon. Yeah, Google, Google New music is everywhere. Just go to my Spotify page and go support and you know, shout out to us. Seven love and this stuff. This. I haven't seen a big gold cup this big since I was about thousands of water cold. Oh Ship