#77 - DJ Hed

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who's waiting for that. You know what I'm saying. West Coast is in the building. Yeah, this is interesting, it is this is so interesting. I just want to say, uh, just for the record, I want to start off by saying this on record. I've said this on the radio, yeah, but I've never I've never said it in your presence because we haven't really seen each other. The way you handled iHeart letting you go, yeah, was fucking incredible, Like

I think. And I said, I don't know if you if you heard or heard or if anybody told you when I was on the air when I went on the air the day after they after you left iHeart, I went on the air at seven pm Shark and I said, the way boutleg keV has handled. This situation is bar none and moving forward, nobody could tell me anything about boot Leg KIV. Yeah, man, I think you know you and I would have these talks off all

the time. I mean all the fucking time. And you know what another thing too, People are like, hey, then you know. I'm like, bro, you know how many times they hit me with me and you got the same kind of call. We thought you missed Doc's call and we thought we were both done. I thought I was known. But this is the thing. People was like, man, did you get ahead? I said, Bro, you know how many times I've been told I having fire kV. You better talk to him. You know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

I think. I think. What what's crazy is I got re signed in April during the pandemic. They resigned me for three years and that don't mean shit, right, No, So then I got that call in December, and then I called you. Yeah, And then while I was talking to you, Doc was calling you and you clicked over. You said you said oh, yes over bro, Yeah that was you called me back and like, hey, I'm good over here. You're talking about your right before I clicked over to get the dudes day call keV is like, Yo,

it's over, bro, It's over. What the fuck? Yeah, I mean look for me, you know, I mean I was I was already kind of over doing radio the traditional way, the way that we were doing it. Yes, and it's probably safe to say that had been the case for a while. Yeah. So for me, I looked at getting let go by iHeart in Real ninety two three. First of all, shout out to Doc Winner because I know that it wasn't I mean he you know, it wasn't

like he was like, yo, you're fired. You yo, we got we're letting go of some people because of the budgets, this pandemic, pandemic. Yeah, you know, I got paid on my severance. So and again like for me, it was more it cleared my my time, clear my clear. You know what what I realized during the pandemic, when you and I were doing our show from Zoom, how much other shit I could be doing if I had more flexibility to not be physically at the radio station every day.

You know, I was busting plays, moving around. I was in Mexico on Zoom with you doing the show. It was like, Yo, this is kind of fire. This pandemic shit kind of lit it. But it also it also just kind of made me realize, like, man, I want to you know, I'd already been tuning with the idea of doing a syndicated show. I launched the podcast during the pandemic in June, and it just kind of like, me, getting let go is amazing. I'm not at zero, Like not a single time did I ever feel some type

of way. No, because people get fired and they get all fucking mad and it's like ego shit. I literally was like, I gotta let go, and my girl started crying and I was like, why are you crying? We're about to turn the fuck up. Like this is great. Yeah, you know, like I get I get to get paid until for the next fucking four months, and now I can just double down on what I was going to

try to do anyway. Yeah, so yeah, you know, and I think like for anybody who's watching this, like, but I think ahead, and I was gonna say, like, just know, like if you're in radio or you're anywhere, like it's not in your best interests if someone lets you go because of financial purposes. If it's not personal, don't make it personal. It should never be personal. You always say that all the time, we say, your person. We've seen a lot of people leave that current radio station and

they take things personal and then guess what happens? You burn a bridge. Yeah, I don't. I don't believe in taking anything personal. Three three rules I live by all the time. Being deniable, bring value, don't take shit personal. But that's all that aside. Though, even even even though you didn't take it personal and you'd like I'm about

to turn, you looked at it as opportunity. You handled it though, was fucking fire, Like I don't know, I don't know that that that that doesn't happen, especially like it's like, hey, no, like go do your ship. Yeah, for me, it was like I just like I talk with I talk with Doc, I talk with Ao, and I was like, Yo, it's it's all good, Like it's all good. You know. I released my statement and I'm obviously rooting for you and Chuck. I love you guys. You know you guys, this is meant to be homegoing

radio needs to be on every night in LA. This is something you guys have worked forever for. And I'm like, yo, this is great. Everyone wins here. I feel like I'm winning. You know, a lot of people from the outside looking ably go for I don't give a fuck. I don't care what other people think. And then you guys get to have your shot at Nights together. You guys are you know, been friends for whatever long? Everyone won, Literally

everybody won, and you and I's relationship hasn't been affected. Nah, Like you and I we know if you know you know me and are locked in with each other. We could not talk for two or three weeks a month, and like as soon as we talk, we know what's up. You know, There's never been any sort of weird energy between me and head. I remember somebody said somebody said

on Twitter. They was like, man, want you guys once you go on CAVS podcast and then and then you just played me the thing he was some guy was like, won't you go on KIVS podcast. I was like, I probably will eventually. I thought it makes sense later like yeah, I'll play. We had some guy from Ireland to Ireland. Man, check this out. It's good to my mind A long time, no hut, long time and chot hope all as well and all the time alone as well, and just want

to say big ups to do that. Kep show is fucking sick and really really enjoyed the twist episode and would love to see head On at some point because I just think you guys had such an incredible chemistry and I think that would be a dual episode, but I get stuck in the Soldier Boy episode. But yeah, I can't wish for more and would love to see head On smashing Hey what's his name? Shout out to Martin Ocean, Mark Ocean and Ireland. Salute to you bro here we are artists in Ireland. I believe here we

are goddamnit. Yeah, So I think, like, you know, whenever something like this happens, you know, and you know it's crazy. We've never talked about this publicly before. No, no, I me and you talked on the phone about it a bunch, I mean, But yeah, I think whenever something like this happens, like it's always like we're just used to people being weirdo.

I'm used to for showby I'm blood listen and it's like, dude, like there's never been no ego type of shit involved between us, and when this shit happened, it was like yo, dope, like yo, Chuck's on the night show. He deserves to get a shot on the night show. You guys, this is amazing. And I get to do what I wanted to do anyway. Yeah, and be mobile and be flat flex and you know, and so it's a win win, and so I'm definitely I'm happy. I'm glad you guys

are killing us. So ya got the billboards going, and yeah, I just talked to Amen. I heard y'all smashing up them leakers over there. You know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't know nothing about none of that. I know that I know that our ratings are are good, They're solid. Yeah, so you know, congratulations, But yeah, I think you know that was one of the main things Joe. Everything good with you in head? Yeah, you mean, well, people always think that, like people always look at like, how I

guess what, you know what it is. It's people so used to people being weird that they're not used to authenticity, right, and so authenticity is weird to people now because it's not that it's it's not normal to be that way. Yeah, I think too. There's been recent radio situations that publicly were ugly. Yeah, you know, you think back shout out to our guy big boy, like when he left Power it wasn't it wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty, you know

what I mean. Like there's been situations where it's like shout out to our guy Cruise is who who be radio banging on that Twitter like show? But you know, I get it, like for for I get both of their situations because what happened to them was extremely personal. Yeah, it's super personal. For me. It was never I've never been a part of that. For me either, I'm like, dude, like what am I going to get mad? Like I'm chilling And it ain't like like I wasn't like making

money hand over fist over there, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's good to have you, have you on the show. And so how's uh, how is everything in DJ had world been? Man? I think honestly, it's been a blessing.

I've had a chance to you know, what's crazy is this is and this is I don't think I've ever said this before publicly either, but I remember thinking one time during the pandemic when we was doing our show, right and this is like right when George Floyd happened and the whole shit and so and I remember having a selfish moment because I was thinking, like, damn, I remember getting one and again, Me and you would always talk about it in the studio, like, and the reason

we wanted to get into radio is to do dope interviews, create dope content, create dope hip hop moments, right whatever, And I remember the fun part of it. So I remember coming up here and this is when Mustard cracked off twenty twelve to twenty fourteen. It was just La was the sound and whooah, right, and that was the reason why I want to do it and not get and then and the selfishness in me was like, damn, but I get race, riots, police brutality, Donald Trump, Oh yeah,

that was how you gonna lie. Man. Being on the air during that time, the pandemic on Zoom was very rough, the pandemic COVID nineteen. So we're trying to do like an actual show over Zoom about all this wild ass shit like LA's on fire, bro, and it's like, I mean riots across the country, no, I'm sorry, across the world, right. Yeah.

The way we had to do the show was probably my least favorite part of my radio career, not that we had to talk about that stuff, but just the fact that we had to do it from our house and try to make it sounds like it was that shit sucked. And so I remember thinking to myself, like, damn, how'd I get dealt this hand? As I want to be in the other, you know, like having fun and shit. But then I started thinking about it, Oh, it's not about me, And so once I understood it's not about me,

everything since then has been a blessing. Like I look at my life now is a complete blessing. Everything that I'm doing. Uh, I know what's going on with the fucking Netflix show Rhythm. I know that the they renounced season two is gonna happen, and then obviously the pandemic struck Rhythm and Flow season two. I don't have any official updates. I do know that you can go on the website. Can you submit your I believe they are still accepting uh, what do you call it? Auditions? Obviously

the pandemic got in the way of that happening sooner. Yeah, I remember that we were we were supposed to do something, and then obviously the COVID nineteen shut everything down. It was everything was shut down. The Marvel Cinemata universe was shut down. Nothing stops that. So if it was able to stop the NBA and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, everybody else got a fit for themselves. That's did you watch One Division? Of course, I'm caught up on everything. What

do you think of One Division? I thought wand Division was good. I just I barely it was slow. I barely just started watching it and I barely just got to episode five started picking up a little bit. Yeah, because I'm like, man, what's going on? When watching it? If you not, if you're not in in, you kind of like, what the fuck is going on? But then it starts to like peel back and peel back, and then later on it gets good. But it's slow. It's a slow burn. It's not as good Falcon in the

Winter Soldier, it's fire. I gotta tap in. That ship is fire. And they just announced Black Panther. My god, shout to Ryan Coogler shot the Archie. Who do we think is gonna? I have my own theories. We were talking they should just give it up to Michael B. Jordan low Ky. I have been I've heard rumors this is not official, and I haven't heard this many insiders.

This is YouTube theory that Michael B. Jordan will be coming back, and I the theory is that he's going to take on the mantle or sure he is, which is because he was like a very endearing, loving, like bad guy. People fucked with Jordan. Yeah, he's By the way, Michael B. Jordan, the most overrated actor that motherfucker can is not a good actor. He's he's he's a nice looking got to look at. He plays great characters, but he is not a great It's hard for me to

watch Michael Jordan act. I'm not even gonna lie. Really, I don't think he's He's not bad. He's not bad, but he's not good. I didn't say that. I'm saying he's not bad at all. He's kind of like, uh nah, you know what, you gotta be good to not be bad at acting. I'm trying to think of a rapper. We can think about that, think about rap, think about hip hop. Right, you gotta be somewhat good to not be bad. So if you're saying that Michael B. Jordan is not bad, then then he has to have some

sort of some sort of skill. Yeah, he's he's likable. He's got appeal almost like you think of The Rock early on, early on acting, you would watch the Rock movies because the Rock was in him. Yes, And I think Michael B. Jordan is there now where he's like such a star. Women love him and he's something about the movie. The Rock was also playing certain type of role. He just watched it. I just watched the new Michael B. Jordan movie on Amazon and that shit was ass Juice.

But I watched it because he was in it. You didn't like the movie. I thought it was fucking to mid Man with lots of seeds in it. The acting was kind of meaning, and then they kill Lauren London like off the rip. I was like, damn, well, I mean the Fells. You haven't watched it, you know. Yeah. I was like, damn, it's kind of quiet. I thought it was cool. But I'm a fan of those. That's how you'll play Call of Duty a lot. So I

like that kind of shit. Yeah. So, uh. You you say one of the things you live by is be undeniable. Be undeniable, which is something you've always said. What do you mean by that? I mean by being undeniable and your talent, your skill set, your craft, whatever it is that you do, you gotta be under. You gotta make people. The secret sauce that I believe one of the secret sauces to my success is I just didn't go away.

Same with you. Right, If you just stay the course and you don't you and you continually hone in on your craft, I feel like you're gonna win. You don't have to be the best, like what you just said about Michael B. Jordan, Right, if you undeniably are diligent, or if you're under like if did your girl fuck with you the first time she met you? Of course not, that's what I'm talking about. But you are undeniably diligent, and now you're married. That's facts. That's it. Be undeniable,

bring value, don't take your person. Other thing that you're big on is and I'm big on as well, is the entitlement. Thing. I hate entitlement. Yeah, it's crazy because especially in this business now, man, it's the worst. These artists.

This is something that I remember talking to I think just Blaze was talking about this on Clubhouse one day, and how people have direct access to all these people that you would never in life have access to, and they just feel entitled to your time or oh, I'm gonna send you this record right, Like what does that mean you're gonna say? So? When I tell artists like, don't be entitled, it's like you wouldn't walk up to a girl and just say give me some pussy, you

know what I'm saying. That's what you say to a DJ when you just walk up and be like, here, it's my song, play it right, like you didn't try to like build with me first, Like yeah, that's how I feel like that. That that's entitlement and that I hate that shit. It's like when people DM you like, man, you ain't fucking with me? keV, Like yo, here, bro, I don't even know who the fuck you are? Bro Yo,

you know yo? The worst part is when someone hits you with that in your DMS and they don't even follow you, Like fam, you don't even follow me, Yo, you don't even fuck with me enough to follow me, and you're gonna hit me up trying to get on my podcast or go do a freezing Who the fuck are you? I remember somebody went on a campaign. I'm not going to talk about who it is here, but it's somebody in La went on a campaign about how DJ Head don't fuck with him. I don't remember him, Bro,

I don't remember meeting this man ever. Right, So he went on a whole campaign and was tweeting DMN like the whole stories, putting stories up at me and everything. I think I saw that, and so I ended up hitting up one of my big homies and had me get in touch with him directly and got on the phone with him, like, yo, bro, what's the problem, Like, I don't remember you, Like this is how this business actually works. It's also not your job to know everyone, Bro,

I don't know you, That's what I'm saying. So it was just one of them type of things where like I can't do that kind of thing off the time, but I felt like I wanted to. I felt like it was a teachable moment, and in those moments, I'll

take the time to educate. Now, considering like your position in LA is it, it's obviously more of a gift than a curse, But there has to be some downside to being the guy who's mister West Coast to where almost I'm assuming most LA rappers like I go through this in Arizona, where like motherfuckers will like take it personal that I don't know who they are and or openly support their music, and a lot of times it's I just don't like your music, which is okay, that's fine, right,

Like I'm allowed to not like you might be a good dude and I'm but just because I'm not fucking with your shit, don't mean like I don't fuck with you. I don't know you. That probably happens a lot with you. It happens. And what I try to do is defuse the situation because I can't my putt. Like I was talking to Whack about this one day, right, and he gave me some real bars about like wa Whack. People

think he crazy. He not wack smart, smartest he he's so intellectually inclined facts so anyway, crazy but smart No, definitely nuts, yeah nuts, but he's smart as fuck. But he's smart. So he was telling me like different things. He's like, yeah, I don't worry about this, do this, do this, And I was thinking about he said, you know what, it's good that you are level headed because you can misuse your influence and your power for negativity.

But you don't, you know you really, So what I do is in that scenario, I try to take the time and defuse and de escalate the situation because I know that I'm so close to so many different people that it can go bad real fast, and the entitlement comes into play because they, like you said, they think that I'm supposed to know them or remember them from ten years ago or whatever the case. And it's not even personal. I don't remember what shit I did yesterday.

I hit you today to remember, like, oh, I'm coming here today, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't remember shit. So when you say, like the Arizona shit and then also the LA shit, I think it's a little different though, because our politics is fucked. Oh yeah yah yeah. Here it's all Yo, there's the gang shit, there's the big Homi shit, there's bro Our politics shit is different and me look like there's not like like if we've been candid, there's not a lot of black

people in our medium in LA. Right, So it's me, big boy. You got Nick chatting and Chuck pretty much to make up the bulk of it, right, Yeah, I'm the most accessible one facts, so so me being accessible in that way, it's like everybody feels entitled to, Oh, come to the studio or you you so, and so it's a little homie're gonna play, you're gonna look out for this or do that, and it's like, bro, like,

it don't work like that. And so trying to explain the industry aside from the politics is a complete headache. Oh it's the worst, yo, Man, play my shit on the radio, like, Bro, that ain't how this shit works. Bro. Like fam you got eleven hundred followers. The last thing you need to worry about is getting you shit plaed on the radio. You've worried about getting anyone to care about you first, Bro, go to the DSPs. Bro, get your shit pop and get your numbers up, and then

everybody else will follow suit. You mentioned the politics thing, the new wave of LA rappers that you've been behind from you know, to starve, the rouccies and all these guys. It seems as if the politics don't play into as much as the older generation. With a lot of these younger kids are working together, they don't do it. Does It's still some, but it's amongst them, so it doesn't

reach the media because it's still amongst that. You'll see like one take Jay working, it feels like most people, Yeah, the Sceni, yeah, the scene, Okay, the senior for sure. They all because they all went to school together, they all played sports together, et cetera. So like and and low key most of them shout out to t K barn because that got everybody side. Shout out to k

our Barons is crazy, but they what. I remember talking to Kaln about this ship, and he was saying that they just learned from the mistakes of the people that came before them, and it's like, oh, well, if we could do this shit together, Like Rouccie and Chike are known for doing shit together, right, so you might see an AZ show, but then you might see Roochie pull up. You gonna see the one tape boys there or vice versa.

And I think that that's a beautiful thing. But it gets a little little tricky when you start involving the homies and hang around and the entourages and shit like that. But for the most part, I really commend the newer generation for being able to do that and and and and also a big big shout out to Draco too.

I really, I really like what Draco the Ruler has done because he came home and immediately start giving verses to everybody who would take him, And I felt like that was a big move, especially being in his situation with the Drake Record, Like he don't necessarily have to

do that. But a lot of those people that he came and was like he didn't bless him because I don't want to say like he's demeaning them, but I felt like what he was doing, he made it his his point to come home and is like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this shit away to everybody who wanted. Is it safe to say he's the hottest rapper in LA and Blast the hottest artist in La? This gets tricky? Uh now, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I'm not

gonna say that because guess what if Roddy Richard. I'm not excluding a global superstar like Roddy Okay, and excluding Kendrick Lamar and excluding all I mean, bunch, I'm talking about hot in the streets of LA. I mean, you got a lot of people that's hot in the street. No, I know, But is anybody hotter than Draco? I don't know. I'm not in the streets independently. Got the Drake feature. That's true cleared ship he got that. Yeah, but that's

that's that's that's also Drake being Drake. Yeah, like, oh, this guy's name is Draco. I mean I think he fucks with I mean Draco's music is No. I'm saying, Drake is one of the smartest people to ever be in so I understand the way he moves and what he does and why he does it. So I'm not going to say that that's one hundred percent because of the Drake shit, because the Drake knows what he's doing. Drake knows who to tapping, he knows what he's doing. Like,

that's not by accident. Drake don't do anything by accident. I don't know who's the hottest. But if I if I'm a bet my money on people, it's it's a few people. I bet for sure. Blast are you were you were the first guy that you did? What what year did you try to sign? Blast was a twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. I think some shit like that. Shout out to blast Man. Blast is the guy, Bro,

He's the guy. He's the guy. Yeah, you know, I gotta I got a text from from from homie terrorist Martin and he said, you were right, Blast is the one, and I was like, I know, because it's like, it's one thing to get to get the streets. It's one thing to be hot in the industry. But when you get musicians to be like, oh this guy is fucking fired, that's that's a different level to me. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, the LAC and this seems like it's in a as good of a place as it's been. I

would like to see more integration though, meaning nationally. Oh yeah, I would like to see like, I know, sweet he's from California, but she she's comes off like a national artist. So for her to have Drake on her ship, you know, I thought that was kind of dope. I like to see, like I love how Davies comes and taps in with people out here, Like I want to see more of

that type of ship. Yeah, now Dave pulls up and I want to see like Rod Wave like fuck with like one take Jay right or or some ship like you more ship like that. I mean shout out to Quebo. You did the Blue Bucks Clan record. Yeah, really, you know who I really really fuck with and not from LA but I love freddo bang Bro, I remember you put me up on Fredo Like, I love fred He's a good kid man, He's a good dude. Yeah. The top record is crazy. He caught one finally, like a

like a radio round real record. I d K got a fire ass on that ship. I had to get him on the phone, like, Bro, you actually have a record that's playable. Yeah, i DK is going crazy. Uh yeah, I think that. But I do think that the LA scene it feels just like, you know, because I think back in the day when you were coming up with Glasses a man, there was an extreme disdain towards what

the you know. Back then you had to get the dra Co sign or the whoever co signed right unless you were the game right because the game was kind of just the face of LA hip hop nationally. Not saying that in the streets, Jay Rock and Glasses and nip they weren't doing their thing. But I remember having conversations with Nipsey even like interviewing him and Ship where

he was not happy with Doctor Dre. A lot of people weren't yeh, but that but that I think that's entitlment though, because I had that conversation with Glasses recently because the whole like New West movement that we established coming up, right, and that's like Glasses, Bishop Lamont, all of everybody crooked, like it was a bunch of people that was a part of that movement. Everybody was coming up had a disdain for the Old Guard, the Cube,

the Dre Snoke, et cetera. But I remember having that conversation with g about it, and he was saying that it was a sense of entitlement because he was like, they're not fucking with us, but technically we never asked him for anything. They just thought that they should be paying attention just like hey, like you said, like you if they if no one's asking, why is it assumed that they got to fuck with you? Yeah? And then I remember, I remember Glasses we went to a video shoot.

It was I think it was a video shoot for forty and we went to the video shooting him having a conversation with Snoop in his trailer and Snoop was like, you know, that's my bad, Like we wasn't playing team ball, but I'm gonna fix that. And then ever since then, everybody's been good. That's I mean, it feels it feels good right now. I love I love Snoop too. I feel like what Snoop does is unmatched in hip hop. I think Snoop Dogg is probably the most famous rapper ever,

of course he is. Yeah, I don't think that. It's not even close. And I don't even I don't think it's close. I don't even think Drake is close to that level of fame. No, Like, everyone knows who Snoop Dogg is. Everybody Grandma's know who Snoop is. He's a fucking cultural icon. Like he doesn't have to have any more music ever, ever, and he's getting bags doing just being Snoop, just being Snoop, Snoop Snoop. I think Snoop is that triller yo. By the way, I just gotta

say love their performance. The Sweety performance was the worst thing I've ever seen on TV. I ain't see it. Oh my god, I ain't see it. That shit was horrible. What what's so bad about it? She lip sync the whole thing and then she it was like all choreography and it was like she don't know how to dance. That's crazy. Her performance at BT was fire. I've seen her do her thing. Yeah, whatever happened at Triller, maybe she was maybe she had strap throat or something. Oh

that shit was rough. Shout out to Sweetie anyway, what were you saying? We're talking about the Snoop thing now. I just feel like Snoop is just what he does, even embracing the youth, Like I feel like him, him and he forty do an amazing job and embracing they for sure the youth, and I think that that's been pivotal in their longevity. I think it's very hard to say. The other thing, too, is I think if you're snooping your E forty, you're probably very Who the fuck is

gonna say no to that? Nobody? Like if E forty calls you and it's like, yo, get on my album, you're not gonna say no because there you look crazy. I've heard I've heard the story of a rapper who blew a shot with forty, like like just did not get in the verse back or some shit like like what are you doing? Says no like maybe Drake nah, he might nah, but nah, Drake not turning down. So you think Drake could say no to Snoop or forty? Maybe fuck no, Drake could be out of his rabbit ass.

I'll tell him then E forty need to get that Drake verse. If you know an he's gonna say no, you might as well get Drake not saying no to E forty or Snoop Dogg Hope. I mean, I mean shit, howbut he be the only one. Maybe maybe Hove or I'm not saying no, one hundred three thousand might say no. Yeah, but that's different. Three Stacks don't rap. Yeah, he don't even rap. Like okay, so you're uh this the jay Z and Nipsey song that came out? Oh man, so

you're you have co production credit on that song? Yes? We So how did that happen? I was in the studio, like I'm always in the studio working with Rants Mars fifteen hundred or nothing, and Rants was like, Yo, we got this record, Like you know what you want to do? I want you to do some shit on it. I'm like, what you want me to do? Like just do your

DJ head shit whatever that means. So I was like, all right, So he plays me the song and he's playing me the Nipsey vocals over the beat, and I'm like, oh's nip record? Like fuck? Yeah, let's do it. I didn't know nothing about whole at that time. They were like, we're doing something really special with the record. They just couldn't tell me. So he's like, look, just just do some cuts on the song, you know, do some ins and out, some little scratches whatever. I'm like, all right,

bet so I did. I actually recorded it, and then I turned it in and I ain't I didn't think none of it. I was like, oh, they must not have used it. I didn't know that it was a bigger play like later on, you know what I'm saying. Obviously, that's how the music business worked. So when they were when it came time to release the record, it was like, oh, this is the record. And then once it came obviously

I had it early and shit like that. But if we couldn't talk about it because it was like a part of a rollout, I'm like, damn, this is crazy. But I didn't know that they were going to actually give me credit on the song, like you know how, like you'll produce some right right right, but you might not get you might not get visual credit on the on the on the record. So that was like a big deal for me. That was a huge for me, especially seeing like jay Z Nipsey and then I'm like

right there, that shit was crazy. So when the song came as comes out right, shit, So you know when we were doing the night show together, yes, uh, we really didn't care to have songs first. No, that's not my game. It just really like no one cares. Yeah, everybody gets the record at nine pm, like it's it's uh not two thousand and nine sure or even twenty

and thirteen. It's like, yo, fam Like now, like you said, you had the record for a long time, you know, I mean you got yeah, you gets in the studio right, this is before the whole vocals. So the La Leakers shout out to Justin, shout out to sour Milk, Sour Milk. Well, we were you talking about when we were doing the show together. Are you talking about recently? I'm talk about recently, just after you and I were not on the air.

This is this is uh, this is recently recently when this song came out, right, what was this December January? When did the record? I remember, like I said, I have a bad memory. So the Leakers get the song and they're going crazy before nine o'clock obviously, right, which has happened a lot. Yeah, cool Sour Milk goes on Twitter h and says, essentially, does anybody want to tell them that we have? We've been going crazy on this however long? I don't remember the specifics of the two Well,

I tweeted. I tweeted first, and I said, I'm playing this at nine o'clock, right, and then he retweeted you this. Yeah, it was just yeah, you said, Yo, we're going crazy at nine permitted show. Right, you're promoting your show, which is what you should do. You weren't saying anything about anybody.

I don't ever do that, right. He retweets it and pretty much says, does anyone want to tell I don't remember, but we've been going crazy on this the last two hours about I know that it got interesting because I don't remember at what point in time you replied with the credentials of the song that they were playing and you have publishing on that you produced, and you thank them for playing it for you because you have production

credit on the song. Now, from a strict perspective of someone who's just on Twitter, and I funk with those guys. You know they're cool, Like I got no problems with them. Dudes like, you know, me and Justin are cool. You know. I just saw Justin around the Grammys and we you know, we're cool. But I'll be damned if I have never seen anyone take a worst l from a radio perspective on social media than that. That was rough. And then everyone just like it went crazy. I didn't expect. I

didn't know. And then and then Letty chimed in. She you know, obviously she's married to Nipsey's uh manager, shout to Jorge George uh and and and and put her two cents in on it about hey, it just it got out of hand. And and I don't mean like out of hand, like you didn't. You just literally was on some like, hey, thanks for supporting. By the way, you might want to check the credentials on that record you had it. So what happened with that? That's that's

exactly how we had them back and forth. And then he he said something it got kind of like it started to get to me. It started to get aggressive on his behalf, not on your behalf. So I was just like, it's not in your nature. No, I can't play like that. This ship is like again. People take this radio shit so serious. It's like, fam, this is for anyone, not not for anyone in particular. You work for a company that owns a brand that you don't own. Listen, man, calm down. I just what I did was I just

I got swung on and I swung back. You swung back, all right, you swung back. Then you pulled up at their mama's house and the money and Carlo, you rolled the window down and put a oozie out and lit that whole bitch up. That's just what I'm I was taught that you don't start that, you finish it. That's what my grandma only said. That's my family, that's how we get out. So I don't ever start anything. I don't talk tough, I don't aggressive, I don't even sub people.

I'll just promote my show. Yes, So the subliminal thing, and that's my thing is like I've been a part of radio beefs in the past, but I just kind of started to realize, like, hey, it's stupid as fuck because we're gonna have to see each other. And the way I carry myself is you go see me. I ain't gonna reply to you on social media because I ain't a social you know, I'm we're gonna run into each other and then we're gonna have to have this conversation face to face. And that's happened a few times

where I've had to run up in Vegas. Shout out to John Mogue from ko UC, who thought he could talk out the side of his fucking face and I wouldn't go fucking walk up to his ass right at the Lowrider show and be like, what's up, motherfucker? What you trying to do? This? Nigga's crazy? You know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is is like you know you and I never like,

that's just not what we do. No, I don't play I don't play the bank the radio band game, just because I'm not allowed the luxury to fake beef with people. And that's something I had. I had a conversation with my superiors before, like I can't fake beef with people because my lineage and my my my environment and my people don't allow me that luxury to like, oh, let's beef or let's you know, like it's just my shit different. And that's why I had to tell them like I'm not.

I always tell people like I'm not a radio nigga, Like I'm a nigga who do radio. So it's it's my shit different. I can't play like that. So that's why everything I do is a very articulate approach. I'm never aggressive. It's like, hey, so when I when I did that, it's like I got swung on and I swung back. That's it. So what what I know that you went? You and Milk talked after that. Yeah, we oh g got us on the phone. Well, one of one of my own g shot to Fuzzy. He hit me.

He was like, you know, I need you to, you know, talk to him. You know, like I don't like this ship. And so I told Fuzzy. Fuzzy's like, I'll do anything for Fuzzy, right, And I told him, now, Fuzzy, I do anything for you, So put him on the phone. So we got on the phone. We talked for like half an hour or something like that, and I don't, you know, get Yeah, but everything, as far as I'm concerned, I let it go. Now. That was after I did go on the air with it. To be honest, you

should have. Yeah, but I'm a firm believer in utilizing your platform, so I'm a front. I went on the air with it the next day and turned the music off and went in for about two minutes, very very articulate. I didn't call any about their name. I dressed people by name, but I did I remember hearing it. I

didn't say anything disrespectful. I just addressed the issue, owned up to my to my antics as well, and then kept it pushing kind I felt like the moment wasn't as much about Nipsey as it was about who the fuck's got the song first. Yeah, I just felt like the moment got taken away from what it was about. Everyone who knows knows that nip always wanted to work with Hove, of course, so I felt like that was the moment, and that moment was robbed when it got

made about radio politics, so that I didn't like that. Yeah, for people who don't like who kind of see uh radio from the outside looking in, like I would venture to say, you don't have a lot of relationships across the street at Bottle one O six. I think we're all cool with Gabe, see right, But like, is it really that Like I'm not talking about this particular situation. But like for people who are watching this, it's really

not like that. Like you'll see I've seen e Man a million like you know what I mean, like and mind you, I don't work for anybody now. I don't see nobody because I'm usually in the streets. But I just mean in general, like it ain't some like everyone thinks it's like some weird old like gang shit. Some people approach it that way. But for the most part, we're all just trying to get a fucking bag. And you know we're doing I'm doing me, you doing you. I just listen. I'll stay out the way. I mind

my What I do is I mind my business. I learned that from the homies and coming I've been. I'm just I was always the square right all the street dudes, and they would say, look, cuz mind your business. That's what I do. I stay in my lane. I don't talk to nobody. I don't flick it up, I don't fake beef, I don't do none of that shit. I just mind my business. Hey, what up man? How to interrupt the Boutlet Cap podcast to tell you about our

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So when we were on the air together, we were on the air for when did we first get on this three years? It was close to three years. Yeah, we had some pretty crazy viral moments. Oh man, yo, do you remember I was just talking of do you remember with Lil Kim. Yeah, Lil Kim was not fucking with me. She was not fucking with you. Oh, she was not fucking yo. Lil Kim was fucking hot. She was not fucking with you, bro. Yeah, And I was

thinking about that. I was like, I wonder, I wonder, like if people, like, do people ever get over that shit? You've been ready no longer? To me, like, when people have a problem with you, check this out, do they ever get over it? I think so because Soldier Boy came up here the other day and THEO calls me first, right, and he's like, hey, man, did you say something about Soldier Boy in an interview? And I was like probably, And he was like cause he's like, yo, that's the

white boy used to be on there with the black dude. Yeah, he says some shit about me in an interview. And I was like, oh, I don't doubt it. Yeah, he came up. Remember he came on our show. No no, But after that, I think and I put up a clip of the only thing I could find by googling bootleg cap Soldier Boy was our interview with him. And then like me and Draco talking about the Big Draco thing Draco the ruler, and so I was like, it

might have been this, but I don't fucking know. And I was like, he was like, it's all good, but just know he's not fucking with you like that. I was like, I don't give a fuck. I don't need to be friends with anybody. Soldier boy comes fucking awesome, hangs out with my son, We smoke weed, We're hanging out like fucking it was great. Like literally couldn't have went better. And so yeah, like and look, at the end of the day, sometimes we just got to do our job. And you and I wouldn't even do the

kind of shit like like we wouldn't chase it. We wouldn't chase the gotch you moment. No, No, the only thing that the only thing that stood out to me was obviously the Gates Kevin Gates situation was wild. But you know, and I'm not making a defense for him. It was his first interview. He just got prison, he just got out. Let me tell you something. What people don't realize is that was a lot. I did a lot. Yeah, a lot of people felt some type of way. A

lot of people still feel some type of way. Facts, but Kevin Gates comes to the radio station. I go down to the lobby to grab him, and I've I've met Kevin Gates before, but he doesn't remember obviously. On my hey with a ble, Cavy's like, oh, that's a good name, Kevin. No, yeah, we we'll go the same name, right, shout out to uh. Our guy from Atlantic who's with him, Dwight, come up the elevator. He comes in and he's like,

hen he use the room to pray. Yeah, So our guy, Eric Fisher is stuck in the room with Kevin Gates while he's praying for like thirty minutes. So Eric's just sitting there and Kevin Gates is in there alone praying, you know, because he's Muslim, so he's praying, right. So I was like, oh, that's different. We've never had anyone come in and pray before the interview. Like, okay, whatever, whatever, float your boat to find your lost remote. Yeah, shout

out to a law you know what I'm saying. So we come in and do the interview, and automatically, he was just not into the interview at all at all. He was not fucking with us whatsoever. You he don't want to be there. And sometimes we'll do those interviews where's like, man, this fool didn't want to be here,

Like why the fuck? Like, by the way, artists, if you're gonna go do a fucking interview like and you don't want to do it, don't do it, don't come because otherwise anyway, So the moment happens where you touched his arm and YO, don't touch me. I feel like I'm being interrogated, and I'm just like, bro, it's an interview. In an interview, we asked questions. He said, Yo, how loo we got to do this. I feel like I'm being interrogated here, right, So whatever the case is, the

interview finishes and we wow, awkward. Bro, So this was interesting about that you wasn't there because you and I would go to the radio station early. I just so happened to catch a couple of people from his camp at the radio station the following day, I mean, after after we after we put out the interview, right, it's it's up, it's gone, it's viral. They didn't like the fact we dropped it that way. They didn't like that

we put we kept it. We don't edit our ship before we're supposed to do, right, so I caught a representative and I'm gonna say his name. I caught a representative of his coming in the hallway. I'm like, Yo, what's up? What you're doing here? Yo? Man? I just I'm trying to see if we can get the interview taken down. I don't that sounds like Dwight All. I'm like, yo, I'm like, listen, bro, we're not taking nothing down. Yes, it's too late, like it's gone, it's it's I don't.

I'm not finna start my mind because this is like one of our first interviews. I'm not finna start my radio career editing interviews and taking shit out, taking shit down people when that's the breakfast club to do that. So I'm like no. So it's like, well, you know, we just hollered at your boss. See if we I said, all right, bet so I go right into our boss office. I sit down. I'm like, listen, I know they was. He's like, yeah, they want to take the interview down.

I said, listen, bro, I'm gonna be all the way hunting with you. I don't. He's like, well, how do you feel about it? I don't want to take it down, I said, Furthermore, I'm be honest with you, if this is what we're gonna be doing, like doing the politics, and I'd rather not do interviews moving forward. And he was like, leave it up there, So I respect. I respect that though, because allowing your people to have input on decisions like that. Doc was always like that, always

like that. But they were so embarrassed by how that shit went because it was his first interview, you know what I'm saying. But I'm like, bro, it's already up, it's out. And also the crazy thing about it is when the interview finished, he hung out with us for like an hour and a half and played us his new album and literally said, man, I wish we would have started the interview now because I fuck with y'all now, Bro,

I shit you not. Kevin Gates after that interview, stayed at the radio station for a long aass time, at least an hour, hanging out playing music for us, and shit, it wasn't weird or nothing. Susan camera came on, it was weird. So it was a lot of backlash. We did have one interview we had to take down, which one Oh uh Tianna Trump. Yeah we did. Yeah, so we had an interview with Tianna Trump that went my rule as fuck. That was amazing. That shit was booming

on Twitter. There's like Twitter clips that got like six million views on that. That was an amazing interview. We had this crazy ass interview with Tiana Trump and Vickie Chase. Yoh, I forgot it. I still the clip in my archive. And right around that time, we had like a ratings meeting with our boss. It was like, Yo, y'all's ratings with females in the ship right now. So then we put out this fucking interview with these two porn stars and they're talking crazy yo. I've still got the clip.

I think the interviews on porn Hub. I still got that one clip in my phone right now. And they were talking crazy yo. And then well they took it down. Yeah, that one. That one was a little raunchy, but it was fire. That ship was fire, yo. That was one of my favorite. That was one of my favorite. Ship was tired Yo. Me and Hendry just like because they were just talking amongst each other. Here we're looking at each other like, yeah, what the fuck is going on

on me? Yo? That ship was wild. Yo. Look let me play you this I got this ship in my thing in my phone right now, I'm gonna play audio for your podcast. But bro, when I tell you here's the clips, got ready to go. Nah, I had to pull it up look the thing before. I would just say it was crazy just because it was so many different Like at the end when they needed to come, it was so many types of different comes on my face.

Like there was like the like thick comes, and then there was like the super water comes and they're like the all that was in my mouth and ship and I had a swallow like you know what I mean, guys, I'm gonna go. And then but that I don't know. That was crazy. The craziest one I would say I have done is with a Bella and they shot a bunch of gummy bears upriss and then fucked her and they all melted and she shipped them in my mouth.

Oh yeah, that's that's crazy. Hey, you know you know what, in all honesty, we should have been fired for this, if I being honest. We put this on the radio station whips Heart Radio. This show I remember DJ A hit was like, Yo, what the it over there? Yop? Hey, I ain't gonna lie That's one of the moments where I was like, yeah, we probably out of here. Yeah, it was nice. Yo, we gotta get that was we shouldn't did that. We should have at least bleep that show.

We shouldn't have did we put that on iHeart we should not have done that. That was a rough Uh. That was crazy. I'm glad they kept us after that, to be honest. Cheers. Yeah. Then there was the other other time we took something down was we did a pop smoke interview and he hit me directly and asked to take the interview down. Yep. Yeah, that pop Smoke

interview was interesting. People still hit me up about that. Yeah, there's there's clips of it because it was up for like three days and you know, people ripped it and ship. But he was just like, man, I think I still have the text. He just like hit I know, he called me. He was like, Yo, cab man, look, I don't like I don't like that interview. I feel like I could have gave you a better interview. I'm mould be back in like a month. We could do it better. And I want to say that was the tripund of

passing away. Yep. So we took the interview down and uh yeah, people we talked about it though after like should we just drop it? But like out of respect, like nah, yeah, I mean a lot of the interviews out there on like his fan pages and stuff. But yeah, I think we were the first outside of maybe Drewski to interview pop smoke. Yeah, yep, we were the first

major platform to interview him. Yeah. Now, I think, I think, and it's it's crazy to see what his album actually end up becoming because I didn't expect his album to be like that at all. I thought it was gonna be all deord out and it ended up being like fire. I was like, damn, I wish he was here for this is it is? You know? Yeah, man, it's crazy. Yeah. I think that, uh, we have some good moments. Man.

I think that, uh you know, I think for sure, like what we were doing made everyone else step their shit up. Oh for sure, period for sure. I also think that when you look at the way radio, the way radio was done, it's so like antiquated in old school, like the way people were doing it in comparison to how we started doing our shit. It was more like we don't really care about the fluff there's no like gloss on this shit. It's just some raw radio shit.

And I felt like the Breakfast Club obviously kicked in the door when it comes to that that lane, of course, of course, but I felt like we were almost taking a podcast approach to radio, whereas it was like we were just having conversations and then whatever we got from that conversation, we were truncated down and that would be the radio show, all right, right, Yeah, And then I just had a fucking thought and it just went away. God damn it. I just had a good thought about

something we did. I don't remember. Well. Another thought that I had too, is we have a lot of moments in history as far as like oh not even the but I'm get tagged and ship where it's like I'm talking about like, bro, we did we did the Nipsey passing Dude. That was crazy because that was I was on the air Sundays. Check this out the Sunday Nipsey died. Nipsey died on a Sunday, Kobe died on a Sunday. I was on the air for both of those, yep. And then you came into my shift and we ended

up doing the Nipsey thing. Yep, that was rough. Rough, bro. I think that was probably the roughest. Uh. You know, obviously Kobe dying was rough, but we knew nip you know, Uh, that was the roughest. Ship was to do that radio show. That was rough and all I could think about. And then we also, you knew because we were on almost right away. Yeah, and you I think you had information that it wasn't looking good. But while we were on the air, we couldn't divulge that. Yeah, I couldn't talk

about it. Yeah, we were waiting for it to come down that it was official that he passed. And then yeah, one of my homies, one of my homies, one of my street homies hit me and was like, yeah, it's it's it's a rap, bro, Like, I just want you the first to know because you know that he fucked with you tough. So I was like what like? So then Doc hit me and was like, Yo, you mind going to the station. I'm like, bro, I don't know what to say right and he was like, just be honest,

just talk. So I went up there and came up there and we did the show that I was like one of them and all I can think about is those old school radio moments where I remember being I remember being at I remember being on my way to school when nine to eleven happened, and I remember Big Boy being on the air that morning and he just stayed on the air like the whole time, and he was just like, yo, if you go outside and look up, there's no planes in the sky in the country. And

I was like, I remember, I literally remember that. And I was like, this is one of them things where people are going to be remembering this shit. And I thought about this after the fact. Obviously I'm not thinking about that while we're doing the show, but I'm thinking about this after the fact, like people have been with us for moments that probably they're going to remember for the rest of their life, and that shit is that's the ship to me that it's like, yeah, it's crazy,

that's fire. Kobe's death was so big in the world, but I don't feel like it the impact it felt like here like Nipsey Ship felt way crazy. Well it was because I think what happened was like Nipsey was murdered. I think it's the like Kobe's death was horrible and tragic. It was horrible. Yeah, but the way Nipsey died, man, we saw it every in broad daylight, like it was just a complete raising act of like murder, you know

what I'm saying. So it's like that to me is like something because then also you got to look at what he what he represented. Yeah, it's not even what he did or who he was, nobody give a fuck. What you represent is like everything. And if you represent hope, you represent community, you represent you know, aspiration, entrepreneurship, giving back, whatever it is you represent, and then some and then you that that type of thing happened to you where

it happened to him. I think it makes everybody question their own mortality. And I think that's what that's that ship that shakes everybody. Yeah, that was rough, that one. The Kobe shit. I was numb for the Kobe shit to be. I didn't even process it till like a month later. Yeah, the Kobe shit, I was really really sad. And I never even fuck with Kobe when it was like I was, I'm a I don't fuck with the Lakers.

I fuck with him now because Lebron's on there. But growing up I hated Kobe, right, but I like didn't hate him in like a real way, I just as a sports fans. But when he died, I was like shit, like this was like a part of my life. Facts, Like I watched this guy played basketball's entire career, like and now this was gone, Like you never know, you never know, bro. That's That's one of the things to me.

Even when Pop Smoke got murdered like it was, it's like different things that like I never thought would be a part of my radio career. Yo. The fact that we lost Pop Smoke X Juice World yep, Nipsey Kobe mac Miller yep, all while we were doing the show yep. It is insane. I feel like we're forgetting people. Oh for sure, a lot of people have been passing man, were for sure forgetting people. But I'm just saying though that I've never thought about, like, oh, this is gonna

be a part of my radio journey. Yeah, because even with Pop Smoke, like Pop Smoke, like you know, he did a lot of interviews, but he didn't do that many. Nah, he didn't do a lot of interviews. He didn't do a lot. So it's like, yo, we have like you know, we talked to him really early on, and he was cool as fuck, like he was always super nice, super cool, and he had just so much, just so much, like more to give. And then also if you look at the other side of the spectrum, when we had YNW.

Melly on, he went to jail the next day or the day after we did the last interview, the last interview before he got locked up. Yep. Yeah, it's crazy, man, there's a lot of shit. Dog. I think one of my favorites, though, one of my favorites probably ever was T Pain. Oh. The T Paint interview is a legendary love Ta Pain, Bro. He's so yeah, we're talking for like an hour at least. I love T Pain. He's an That T Paint interview was a movie. He's so

entertain he's so honest and funny. And we got drunk, well I got drunk. Remember we were taking shots, Yeah you did. And I like fifty fifty was dope. I love how honest fifty is ross was dope. Well, we've got some good ones. I mean the Haiti Baby freestyle went crazy, bro, the Haiti Baby freestyle. Bro, you had him on your show. I had him on mine after the fact, and I love the fact that he like he leans into that, like, that's part of my legacy. It's the biggest part of his legacy at this point.

That's the homie. But yeah, I mean right now, like with it, nothing he's done, it's ever been bigger than that. Yeah, that shit had Rihanna tweeting and Chrissy Diagan tweeting about him, and mill posted him like that shit's insane. Facts fucking Haiti baby shots of Stockton Man. You know. The other thing we did on the air that we weren't crazy about was something called the celebrity smash. Man. So we had a big called the Selebrity Smash, which in theory

is an amazing idea. Uh. And it was where we had people call in and give us stories about times they fucked celebrities celebrities. And this was our boss, Doc Winners idea and it and he had tried it with the Breakfast Club and and and the problem was was it it was a great idea, but to execute it without putting people's names out there or trying to make it too obvious that people knew, because at the end

of the day, you want listeners to be in on it. Yeah, So we got to the point where we had to edit so much of these calls we were getting it. It was so like bland and kind of took away from the original appeal of the bit. Yeah, now I think the I think the celebrity smash will work in nineteen ninety eight, if you know, I think it'll work now. It's just you have to you have to say who it is. You got to. But the only problem is you can't do that now because because people will be

he had slander and yeah, all kind of stuff. Bro, if you can say who it is, it'll work. Listen. We had some guy call the first week we did this thing. We did the celebrity sites, which I'm not talking about this one. Yes, go ahead, I'm not going to say who he said. He oh, but we had this guy calling and he told us a story about twelve minute phone call. It's a twelve minute phone call.

We still got the call about this a man who called and talked about his sexual relationship with a very prominent mogul and hip hop Yes, and gave details details, extreme details in which made it extremely believable. With this guy. And when I say it had us like because because we started that bit and almost right away we got that call and we were like, oh, this shit about to be crazy, this shit about to go crazy. Sure, I was like, well, we're about to get into so

much trouble. And the person in which this guy put on blast is someone whom you don't want to fuck with in the no smoke, no smoke. So right, so we sent we send it over to uh our boss, and he's like, you got to take this out. Take this out. Take this out, Take this out, Take this out. Cool. It ended up still being very appealing on the air, but that bit could have if it was like ninety nine and we were doing that bit and we were

letting these names fly. Oh, a lot of the people who call they was just running the mill groupie ship. I was in San Diego with my girl and I ended up fucking whoever the fuck right? Oh yeah, of course you did, of course you did. Or but then there was there was something. There was a few that were kind of crazy crazy, And a lot of it too was because like these people would be married or there would there would be some sort of remember the family,

the girl from the Big family with the NDA. Yes, yeah, bro, the girl from the Big family with the NDA I do remember, yeah, yeah, and and and mind you, who knows if these people were telling the truth. But we got bro that call about that mogul was that ship was crazy crazy. I'd still be playing that ship for people. Oh yeah, yo, I don't play it for nobody in this ship leak. I destroyed it. But yeah, that was that was a wild Uh, that was a pretty wild

wild bit we did. Yeah, we ended up not doing it because it just kind of got too watered down. And then we got in trouble A bunch of shit, got it. We stayed you know what, I've never been in trouble so much in my life and doing the show with you, yeah, I mean every time they said yeah, I mean you know, no, I don't know. Niggas stayed in the principal's office like what we do. Ah shit, he said, yeah, now that that was a good time.

So for people who are watching this, I think it's important because there's aspiring radio personalities or people who think they want to get into radio who are watching this, and you and I keep having this discussion about our business and the future of it and where it is. What would you tell someone like that who's got zero radio experience, but their aspiration is to be a radio personality like us started to start with your platform. Now

build it. Build your platform. Don't don't like, don't wait for the people. Don't like wait for the right opportunity, don't go bagging for a job. Build your platform. Start off like with your own like Blue Leg CAF podcasts or Homegong Radio or so many other entities that people are doing. You know what I'm saying, the brilliant idots, Joe Budden Pocket, whatever you want to build, build your own ship and then take that somewhere to a platform

that might want the content. It's almost like because the old school doing shit as far as like oh I'm gonna start as an intern and work my way up. That's cool that it's almost dead though, but it's almost a non non it's almost non existent because of the simple fact the way the industry has changed. It's almost like you got already have some shit going on. Especially I mean, obviously we're in LA you know, we're speaking

from being in market number two. That's fact. So you so it's it's a lot harder to like think of Jason from Hollywood Have Locked. That's true. Jason from Ollie would have locked had this huge platform. They gave him a syndication deal. At iHeart he's got the Weekend show him and damage. They already had some shit going. But I also say that if you're in Wichita, Kansas. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. If you're in wich of Tak, Kansas, start your podcast and take your podcast to the radio

station and be like, this is what I do. I would love to do that here or whatever the case may be. But have some action items to show people. Don't just go in blind and be like, hey, I want you know, I want to here's my here's the burden of training. You mean, how to be a personality. Yeah, I think that people got to realize is nowadays more than ever those Witchitalk Kansas jobs or those first of all, they don't pay nothing. Second of all, they're those those

slots are dying. Yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. I would say, build your platform. You said you gotta be undeniable, be undeniable, and radio you gotta be undeniable. If you don't cut through the brow, you have to be undeniable. Roddy Rich was a great interview too. Yeah, Roddy was dope. Yeah, Yeah, Roddy's a perfect someone who's undeniable, be undeniable dog, Yeah, undeniable. Well uh. And then Homegowing Radio. Are you guys still doing like the weekly podcast up?

So you guys started that in one year twenty ten or twenty eleven, twenty we started doing Homegrown yeah, two thousand and nine oh nine in Chuck's apartment. In Chuck's apartment, and then that turned into now you're doing Knights in l But over the years that was like a thing even if you weren't from La. I remember just you know,

I've always been tapped in what would you do? But like just being like, oh that shit is dope, Like like you said, like you had your own thing and whether or not you guys would still do it if iHeart never stepped in facts, That's what I'm saying. But we started doing that, and then it started to it became like just a regular were you go let my

son in real quick? We were doing internet radio show, and then it became like, hey, let's do a podcast because and Chuck was resistant because he needs his old school radio. He wanted to mix show and all that. Fuck that we're doing podcasts, and then that became what it is now. But I think, like you said, like if you just build your shit, like people will be invested in you. Like you said, you've been tapped in. If you just build your shit, people are tapped in

with you. Yeah, out to Ireland. It's also like when you see people like that, it's like you almost run a route for them. You want to see them win because they've been they've been with you from the jump. Yeah. And and you build your own fan base facts, so you come in with fan base, you come in with analytics, you come in with people that want to hear you or see what you gotta do. You also now are

doing something on Big Boys Neighborhood. The head talks, Yeah, that's gonna get me into some shit for people who don't know you. Kind of originally started at iHeart helping like being a part of Big Boys show. Now that was essentially doing you're answering calls. Yeah, yeah, that's that's another thing. I never talked about that when I when when they when I got hired at iHeart, they hired

me for two hours a week, right. Eventually something a position open up for me to basically answer the phones and screen calls for Big Boy. I did that for three years, and that's the thing. That's what nobody talks about. It's about doing those types of things. It's like, whatever you bring value, that's number two of my thing. Bring value, yep, be undeniable, and then bring value, that's number two. Whatever room you in, hey, pick up a mop. You know

what I'm saying, Go get the door. You know what I'm saying, Go get some put some waters in the refrigerator. Whatever you gotta do to bring value to the situation. That's what I did with Big Boy, and I appreciate that opportunity. I felt like me running boards and editing audio and shit behind the scenes on Big Boy allowed me to get a paid education and how to produce

radio on the highest level. It was almost like, you know, a lot of people might be like, man, fuck this, That's how I felt hourly pay but now, but like, yo, you're getting the real That's how I felt at first. If I'm being one hundred percent honest, When I first they first told me about what I would be doing, I was like, man, I want to be on the air though I'm a radio motherfucker. Right, But Sallas was like, get in the room, right, what you're get in the

room is over getting the room and bring value. Stop worrying about what you're called when you're in the room. And I'll use that for that same ideology even to this day, Like even with women, it's like, don't worry about what we are, just be do the job that you want before you get the title, which is why you're single West Coast. It's a motherfucker right here. Got the craziest woman philosophies, but they're really not even crazy.

They're very practical, very practical. But unfortunately women are practical creatures. They're emotional creatures. I understand, which is why you're single West Coast. I'll be damned. It's like, you know, when people work in McDonald's, they don't eat the food. It's because they know better. By the way, McDonald's is fire. I'm just saying that people who work there they know, Yeah, they just know better. So that's how I look at it.

Another a person I want to talk about, who's you know, someone who's been instrumental in my career and obviously in yours is Charlemagne. You've got a great relationship with Charlemagne, as do I. He's always kind of been there when he didn't need to be for me at all. For me either, I think for I think he did the

same thing for both of us. Yeah, I mean I remember individually though, Yeah, And like twenty ten, I was in Vegas and I had Yellow Wolf on the show and YELLOWILF talked bad about him, and charloat Mane hit me and was like, yo, I'm more than I forget what he said, but he was like, yo, but you

asked the right questions in that interview. And ever since then he just tapped in, you know, DM at each other and then he shouted me out and Vibe magazine in twenty twelve, and he's just always like he's the like the biggest when we think of Charlemagne, like I'm so motivated by that man and inspired by what he does. And in our business, it don't get bigger than him, no, right,

it doesn't get bit like he's in our field. In our field, is nothing bigger than what Charlemagne does, or like he's the god and you know that's his name, but like I look at him like the god and for him to still go out of his way to tap in and help bring up and empower everybody else. Yeah. Bro, he just called me last week and it was one of the best conversations I've ever had in my career.

And it was like I came away from like a fifteen minute conversation with him and you know, a decade after him and I first connected, and I was like, wow, Like that shit meant so much to get the call I got from him. He don't have to do that. I'm gonna be all the way transparent. Being able to be friends and peers with Charlemagne and Big Boy because I'm from LA is like beyond comprehension. It's crazy. It's being there with Big Boy. I grew up loving big boys.

It's beyond comprehensions. The fact that and they give me props and like like, Yo, this is dope. Keep doing that or put us in an email on my behinf

like that ship is wild. It's insane. Even I mean Big obviously is Charlamage is closer to us in age and and and as far as us, like we could have been peers if our careers might have started five years later or earlier, you know, but like Bigs, that motherfucker I think, I think, but what you said about with Charlotte, Uh, like he he hit Doc up for me too, same same here to co sign me to get to get the job at the station. And I

think that was big. But there was also like I remember when Charlotte used to come to LA with Debbie with Debbie Brown back in the day, like twenty ten, right or some shit like that, and he would like sleep on our couch and we didn't know he was just the weird homie that she would fuck with from New York. We didn't know him like that. But I think, like you said, I think that's also what keeps you in the game. It's like what we're saying about snooping

and forty bringing people up, bringing people up. I think that that's I'm trying to take. I'm low key trying to take his crime, his crown of being of leading the league and assists. I want to throw more assists in him. He's doing a lot, man, He's throwing a lot of assists. Bro, He's fucking John Stockton. I'm trying to come for that though. Yeah, I mean, but also it's tougher now because I feel like he's throwing us libs but we came from an error where the entitlement

was in as high facts are. It's so hard to find people who are young, who have the hunger or or even have the work ethic that we came up with. Facts well also we but that's a survival list mentality though we didn't have a resources. Yeah, we had to. We had to. So now you got like you can do shit on your phone that we couldn't do with whole studios. You know what I'm saying, Like, it's just insane, it's just a different it's a different thing, and now

we sound like the old heads. But it's just now paid in, Like you got to be a paid intern. You can't do a unpaid internship anymore. You can't even call them interns anymore, which is insane. You can't. You can't call them interns because there's specific rules and laws that protect them. Like I worked for free from August of two thousand and five until October of two thousand and six, before I even got paid to set up

a fucking tent at the radio station. I was free before I got paid to be on the street team. It's like that shit is like I wouldn't trade for the world, though, bro I would have did at that point. Like I remember, I remember I went to school. So when I went to radio broadcasting classes and radio broadcasting in school in two thousand and five, I went with Mondo Fresco, me and him. Me and him went to school together. Mondo's the first person to show me anything

in radio, like how to edit on the back. We didn't have computers at the studio, had like these old like digit cart things we had to edit on. So he taught me how to edit shit like that. And then he was like, I'm gonna go this way. I'm gonna go intern at the radio station. I'm like, man, fuck that, I'm finna go build some shit, right, And so we kind of we went our separate ways in that way. He went to intern and worked his way up, and then I went and built my shit in the streets.

But I think the reason why you and I had to do what we had to do is because we chose to do it our way, so to speak. You could have conformed and probably had an easier route. I feel like the way I did it was conforming. Loki. Now, at the time, that was just kind of what you did. You interned then you got on the street team. Nah, then you got on weekends or then you board up, then you got on weekends. No, but you still always you were always innovative and in the way you approached

the internet. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think early on that wasn't a thing like that. Yeah. O nine is when I first started, the only other person who was doing what I was doing was Peter Parker. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That wasn't a thing like that. Yeah. I would put phoners on YouTube and they did posted a boy like Noah writing two Dope Boys exactly. That was a different approach to doing radio. Yeah. I give a lot of that to uh, Peter Parker and Rosenberg

Rosenbergs who inspired me to buy a flipcam. Word he me too, And so I got the flipcam in every interview. If you ever go online and you watch like Justin Bieber freestyling on my show or with the little USB, that ship was bro That shit was cheap, And like every interview I ever did was on the flipcamp. Are you seriously? Yeah? When I was in Vegas, every interview

I did shoot Kendrick freestyles fucking j Cole freestyles. Fucking fifty cent pulled out a half a million dollars in cash on my show in Vegas and that was all on flipcam. Damn, how I do baby Joel on the flip cams holding that bitch yo, low key. That flipcam was crazy. That shit I remember because I remember that shit in your pocket. The only reason I'm tripping out is because I shot the whole the tour that I went on with with Jay Rocket Glasses and Kendrick. I

shot all that shit on the flipcamp. Bro, that flip came that was two thousand and ten, Super Clutch twenty ten. Well, that sucks at that company didn't like GoPro kind of took their vibe. But even even go Pro's less convenient than a flip flip camera. USB was built into the camera. Yeah, that ship was fire, bro, Damn damn we're old. Yeah, shout out to Flip anyway. We'll look anything out you else. Scott coming up, Yeah, I want to shout out to. I want to shout out them to my team Homegrown Radio.

Of course we got this. We got something really big brewing coming soon. I can't really say right now, it's still attorneys, but you don't look out for homegrown radio following all platforms and then uh what about Uh are you gonna try? You know you do a lot of you kind of unofficially help a lot of artists in the studio and stuff. Yeah, I don't try. I don't do like color the consulting business. I don't. I don't

charge and ship like that. I just I just try to help where I can because I felt like, like like again, we're coming up. Nobody told us nothing, nobody helped us. I can't name one thing outside a big Boy and Fuzzy, I can't tell and Juliog excuse me, big Boy Fuzzy, Julio G and DJ Dents. I can't tell you one thing I learned from anybody on the radio in La. M. I didn't learn anything, like anything

everlasting from anybody. Yeah. I think the fact that that's why I used my platforms with stocks and bitcoin and books, because outside of those specific people, I can't tell you anything I learned from anybody. That's fucking crazy. I've been here my whole life. Yeah, I mean yeah, radio in La was extremely I mean the fact real signed on and now there's two options. Yeah, it's great, because that meant for me, it was so hard for me to get on it powerwin O six. I was trying to

get hired there forever bro. I applied for every single opening that ever happened there. And maybe I just wasn't great at the great, but I was doing my fucking shit and it just never was. I was told it was never going to be a thing for me to be at Power six. I won't say why, but I was just told like, hey man, because you are who you are, you're never gonna be on a power like Jimmy's fucks with you. You're dope, but because you don't check this box in this box, you just won't be

on aver. And those boxes are the reasons why I never applied. And so for me, when Reel signed on, you know, my dream was always to be in La. So when Real signed on, I was like, thank god, there's another station, Like wow, And then what's dope about this station was? They didn't care about those boxes. They were like who's dope? Who's dope? And people, a lot

of people don't know this. I was supposed to do afternoons at Real ninety two three when they launched, I was in a contract in Tampa and I couldn't get out of my deal. But Doc made the offer. He was like, Yo, you gotta you gotta go to your guys in Tampa and they got to let you out of your deal. I got afternoons for you because he was they were going through the laws who were big damn. But yeah, I mean that's why I really respect the

fuck out of really dude. You know, in our business, people be giving iHeart a lot of shit, right, I mean, look, at the end of the day, they're like the Yankees. They're a major corporation, right, So as they go, the industry goes and their corporation. So there is situations in which people get let go in Matt. But guess what it just is what it is. I will say this,

iHeart to me is still extremely talent driven. And what I appreciated about working for Doc was nothing mattered you could be for the most part, because we've worked with some real difficult motherfuckers, right that ended up not making it. But those people were empowered because they brought value and like, if you're dope and you're doing your shit, that could

put you on period. He'll give you opportunity, give it an opportunity, and whether or not you run with it, like shout out to a girl, DJ Leslie ran with it, killing it, killing it. I love murdering it. Shout out to Chuck Dizzel murdering it. Got an opportunity. They gave him an inch. He turned it into a mile. Now he's on the night show. Shout out to DJ Head. Same thing, same thing, same fucking thing. For me, I had blind faith in Doc. Left a job in Tampa,

came to LA, moved to Phoenix. From Tampa, drove to LA every Saturday. This was after he had offered me afternoons and they moved on because I couldn't get out of my deal. So Doc was like, look, just get in the building and I'll handle the rest. Wow. So I moved from uh oh, let's restart that there we go. So I moved from Tampa to Phoenix and drove to fucking LA and did one weekend shift every weekend, driving back and forth every Saturday from ten am to three pm.

I was on the air in LA and that was huge. Now I was DJ and Friday night getting done for my club up and mobbing straight to LA afterwards. Paying Erica Rock to drive me, and shit, I did that from August to December, and then I was like, Doc, like some shit gotta shake out soon, you know what I'm saying, Like I can't get this shit is killing me, you know, And shit the end of January leaving parts of the story out like me like leaving real for like three weeks and going and doing knights at a

live one on one five in Phoenix. But you know, he's like, hey, I got We're making it happen, so just don't sign any other contract anywhere. And then I ended up doing nights with Damage and Dre Sinatra, Yeah, which was you know, cool in itself and shout out to those guys. But yeah, it was all Doc again. If you're dope, I tell this to anybody in any in any situation, whatever opportunity you get, you got to make the most out of it, make the most out of it, bro, cause you might not get that shit

ever again, ever again. Bro Ever. I just told that the Soldier boy too. I was like, bro, you got nine lives, oh for sure, bro, that shit's crazy. In fact, he called a rect again. Good for him, as he should though. Yeah, he was built for TikTok facts he is. He is the like ahead of his time. There is no like he should be the TikTok God. I gave him as flowers too. I said, look, bro, hey, you're the guy. Bro. Yeah facts, Well look DJ had go get an ad him on Instagram and Twitter and uh

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