#5 - Shapel Lacey

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some free promo here. Technically they didn't pay for that shout out, but nonetheless, Hey, so today's podcast is really dope to me. It's from my boy Chappelle Chappelle Lacey, who I went to high school with all all over the years in high school, Me and him went to school together. We were good friends. In high school. We kind of bonded the whole time we met. We just I mean, we just rocked with each other real heavy

all throughout high school. And this guy, you know, we stayed in contact loosely, and I wouldn't say like we stayed like, you know, super tight, you know what I mean, But we stayed in contact through social media. And then he started doing stand up comedy and it really started to take off for him a couple of years ago and he moved to LA And since he's moved to La, man, this guy is about to be everywhere. Like you're gonna see this guy in movies. You're gonna see him. I mean,

he's a superstar in the making. Super proud of him. He's from my hometown and you know he's my friend. So very funny guy. He's on The King and the Sting podcast with Brendan Shab and Theo Vaughn. He's he's getting into that circle, that Joe Rogan circle. You know, Joe Rogan always shows him Hello Love on his podcast. So he's gonna be on the Joe Rogan podcast soon. He's just hilarious man. But he's on the Theo Vonn and Brendan Shaw podcast every week, King and the Sting.

His stand up is crazy. Obviously the stand up game is fucked up right now. But yeah, follow him, show him love. He's just the best dude to ever give you a little context. When I was in high school, he was like, you know, I was a super hip hop head. We went to school in Mesa, Arizona, with a lot of Mormons and shit. But Chappelle was a black kid who were super tight pants, super tight punk

rock band tease. I'm not talking like punk rock like Blink one two is punk rock, go, I mean like the fucking black cart and shit, like you know what I'm saying. And this fool could do fucking backflips and was a cheerleader. So in high school, my dog was, you know, the black kid who loved real punk music, was capable of beating your ass and also was a male cheerleader who could do a backflip and twirl and

all that. So yo, just the life of the Yeah, like, like you know, just everyone loved him in school and I'm happy to have him on the podcast. Man, that's my boy, And this conversation is my favorite conversation we've had so far. On the Bootleg Cap podcast, even if you are not necessarily like into what you know, Hey, who the fuck is this comedian guy that's CAP's friend. Listen, dudes on the come up. He's booming and the conversation we had was fire. So let's get into it. Chappelle Lacey.

I almost called him Chappelle Lacey Harris, but he's not. He does it. That's his actual name, Chappelle Lacy. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get to the interview. You got it Chappel Lacey, Chappell Lacy Harris. No, you see, you know me. That's how long you've known me. So now that it's okay, we have the world famous world stand up comedian Chappelle Lacey, I say a couple of states. Chappelle Lacey is here. So for people who don't know, uh, that's so wild.

You know my real life. I mean it's not wild. What do you mean? It's wild? High school together, but it's just weird to hear it because no one, no one like knows that knows me as that. Yeah, so me and Chappelle went to uh we went to Westwood High together in Mesa and uh shout out to the warriors man. Uh yeah, and like it's cool because like when we were in school, we were cool the whole time. Yeah, I feel like we were kind of like kindred spirits, low key we we met. Uh. That teacher's name was

Miss star Wark. Oh wow, but I don't remember what the class was. I remember that name though, Yeah, Miss star Work, and she was kind of I mean, she would go hard on us, I think just because we was you know, should google her, but I can't. This was like some like development like type class. I don't know exactly what it was. I keep wanting to say humanities, but it wasn't humanity. There was something along that line, those lines star Wark star Work. Let's see if I

could find her, Miss star Work. Yeah, teacher Westwood, Westwood, short, little lady with red hair. I think something like that with glasses. She ain't here, ain't on there. Her career didn't last that long. Probably probably not. You don't know. I mean, if she's not on did you Did we have mister Green's class ever together? Which one was the history? No, we didn't have mister Green. I never had mister Green. He was fire. Yeah, that was like the chill dude.

I feel like he was like getting high with students. That's what everybody says. That's that was. Like I feel like that was like Folkalore, though everybody would say that about like Miss Rowntree. Yeah, we had miss Rowntree. That ship was turned up. Yeah, Miss Rowntree was turned up. We had Miss Rowntree fire. I used to write people's essays in that class. Oh for real? Yeah, well she was English, right, English? Yeah, yeah, Miss Roundtree was fire.

Yeah that's crazy. So okay, so we met in high school, and you know, it was interesting because at our school there was like we went to school with some Mormons, yeah, because we was a Mesa. We went to school some Native American folks. And then there was like the you know, Westwood is kind of like a nice gumbo pot of Mesa Arizona. Yeah right, because the res that's like the core of the Reds is there around. The school's kind of hood low key, and then like then there's just

Mormons because it's Mason Mormons, a bunch of Tonguans. Yeah, but like it was, it's crazy because you were always like people always loved you in school and I feel like I knew your brother rest in peace too. Yeah, yeah, and your brother were cool. I forget. I think we had weight training together and he was always super so he always said great things about you. Yeah, but uh yeah, it was It was crazy because you were this black kid in high school who would wear these tight ass

pants and these punk rock t shirts. I still do, right, no, no, no, but I just remember like being like yo, like like who is this guy? Like this ship is kind of dope. But you also were in the hip hop too, like look, that's why I said. One of one of my favorite memories of you was when when o dB died, you printed out a bunch of pictures of ODB and and and put type type rest in Peace, o dB, and you taped them all over the school. Yeah, I remember that.

That's one of my favorite memories of you. Yeah. Man, shout out to old dirty bastard. Yeah, I remember that when that happened because I took one of the uh because I love Wu Tang obviously, and I took one of the papers or whatever, and I had it in my folder forever. Yeah, shout out to ODB man. Yeah. Yeah, I felt like at school like I was like the music nerd dude, and yeah, you you were like the music nerd on the other stuff, on the other stuff, and then bruh, Okay, I'm trying to think if this

is where you got your name? Okay, because I was selling CDs back then and donuts. Yes, he used to come to school with a double bag and it was so funny. He would sell them, but you would hook me up all the time. He used to just thrown to me for free. Everybody else he had a double bag full of like don't intimates and my mom was the manager of intimates but if you guess them all, so all the stuff that they were going to throw out, I would just take and then I would sell it

at school. Dude, he was selling. I'd be posted up at lunch time. Duffle bag. The whole big old I had. It was a big ass duffle bag. Yeah. So I was like and then the longer the day would go on and the doughnuts were still there, like the box would get more fucked up and I'd have to give them do it like, yo, look I got this box busted open. Yeah yeah, I used to do that all the time. Real yeah, man, that's crazy, so crazy. Yeah.

So uh we were to high school together for people who don't know you've been how you've been doing stand up for how long? What I'm doing it? Eight or nine years or something like that. I didn't even know you've been doing it that long. Yeah, most people don't because I had. You moved out of Arizona right after

my brother had passed. I stopped Okay, that was he died in two thousand and thirteen, and then I and all of twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, I didn't do it, and then twenty sixteen, that is when I got back in it. Wow, So you you would move out of Arizona, right, were like somewhere random or yeah? Yeah? When I was uh yeah, because I cheered. You were doing cheerleading stuff in college and touring and yeah, you go to college. I went to school in Texas called Trinity, Texas. Yeah,

and then uh, University of Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah. And that's another random thing. You were cheerleader, like a like a brilliant cheerleader. Yeah, that's something that caught everybody off. Fucking ninja. This guy was like a hardcore punk rocker who also was a cheerleader at the same time. Let me tell you, bro, I didn't give a funk about anybody. Yeah, it was. It was crazy. I did what I did, man, and I was like, I gotta be good at it. You if I sucked at it, then it'd be like everybody's

gonna make Can you do flips? Yeah that's fire. Yeah. So like, you know, we went to high school together, you graduated, do the cheerlea anything. Very successful with that, by the way. Yeah, I'm a scholarship and all this and then got me a scholarship to drop out. I'll tell you that much too. I feel like the stand up thing is like it's like, you know, it's almost like I feel like low key's kind of like the hip hop game. There's so many people who do stand

up in whatever city you're in. They go to open mics, yes, and they say, like it sounds good to say, yeah, I'm a stand up comedian or whatever. I do stand up, but like to actually take it serious and and move your life to la and like really pursue it. Like what was the thing that made you take that leap? Like was there a specific thing that happened, Like, yeah, I was. I was working at a hotel in Phoenix.

This was twenty seventeen. And now you know, like I said, like, and I had been back, you know, been back in comedy for like a year, and uh, you know, twenty seventeen, I was working at this hotel downtown Phoenix that was like connected to the the comedy club down there, stand Up Live. Yeah. Oh yeah, was at the Palomar Hotel. Yeah, I worked at the Palomar. And so I was working

there and uh, Bill Burr had came in. He was staying there because he was doing some shows, and I helped him with his luggage or whatnot, like, and that was just like it was kind of it was all this was just organic. It was a it was all organic, and uh, I was helping him with his luggage. And then the whole time he was there, we was just we were just chopping it up. When when he like first got in and we were you know, I told

him I was a comic. We were we were talking sports more than anything because uh he's a Celtics guy and the Celtics were playing, uh the Suns, and we were just chopping about sports. And then he was like, are you funny? And I was like yeah, and then he was like and I was like okay. And then he was like, well, won't you wan't you won't you come by tonight and then I'm gonna have you opened

for me. And so that right there was like the moment where I was like, oh, ship, and you'd been doing like open mic stuff prior to this, Yeah, and I had been. I had been opening for like like I was getting like local work at the at the club Bill Bird is a big deal, a massive deal. He was like sold out crowd. Yeah, yeah, that room at Stand Up Live seats like close to it. It's

a great club too, Yeah, great club. And I you know, I never done that club like sold out because I had opened for people that you know, kind of just like lower level like touring college but like you know, got enough uh name for themselves to where they get around. Yeah, and you know, it was It was one of the most nerve wracking things like ever, Like I went home, I couldn't go to sleep. I couldn't take it like

a nap or anything. And then so you went home and couldn't go to sleep because you did it or because you knew you were about to do it. Yeah. When I, uh so, when I got got off work and I was going home because I worked the early ship and I was going home like and I usually like take like a twenty minute nap just to get my just get restarted, and I couldn't even sleep. I was like, man, I could usually take a nap like it's nothing after work, but I couldn't even like because

I just kept thinking about it. And then uh, the time came for it, you know, opened up. It went really good, and then he let me finish out the whole weekend with him. He was like yeah, you know, yeah, finish it out. And uh he even paid me too, which was like wow, Like I wasn't even yeah, I wasn't even expecting any that like, and he was super nice, and I was like, uh, I even asked him. I was like, man, what made you like, you know, give me a shot like that? And he's like, what's the

worst suff's gonna happen. You're gonna bomb for five minutes, you know, ten minutes, like what so you know yeah, and then then he was like he goes you know, And I also had like an you know intuition, like I was like, I bet he'd be good. Do you and Dover are still still keeping any sort of contract? Man? Yeah? So uh yeah, like I see him around at the

Comedy Store. Of course. Uh I've got I've gotten real close with Joe Rogan and uh so Joe Rogan will do like his Joe Rogan and Friends type shows, and uh I had to follow Burr one night, which was like insane because like going after him so funny and he's a month So like, okay, so we're backstage at the store, you know, in the main room. You've been there, right, yeah,

of course. And so we're backstage the main room chilling and then uh I didn't even know Bill Burr was on the lineup, Like Joe just says show up and and then we get you know, we just get going. So Bill walks in and he's like, Joe, you know, I want to go, you know a little earlyer than I'm not feeling too good. And I was like, oh, is he is he gonna go before me? Or after me?

You know what I mean? Because I was going. I knew I was going earlier on the lineup because it was it was a pretty stacked lineup, and uh, you know, so I'm sitting there for like, you know, forty five minutes before showtime because we're all just chilling there talking and I'm just kind of like, what is he going up? You know? And then the sound guy comes back. He's like, all right, Joe, how are we doing this? He's like, all right, it's gonna go. Uh Derek Burr, Chappelle, AC

and Tony hixclip me. And I was like all right, you know. And at that moment, which which was weird, immediately at that moment, I thought about everything I went through like in my life. It was like it was like the weirdest thing that was Like my first thought was like everything that I've been through, like all the crazy shit, you know, with my family, stepfather, losing my brother. I thought about all that, and then I looked at where I was and then I was like I could

do this, you know. I was like I could do this. Did you kill it? Yeah? I actually did and the only way and like and like when I was up there, like it was just like going like people were laughing yet like you know, but what was funny? Like because this could knock you off your fucking socks, you know of course and uh when when when they bring Bill up,

he got a standing ovation walking out, he's Bill Burr. Yeah, they were not expecting him, right, you said no, yeah, because I I think I've been to a couple of Joe Rogan shows and I think like every time I go, someone just jumps on stage. Yeah, there's yeah, so like there's ship. There's certain cats that are like they call them drop ins. Yep, there's only certain cats like they got the pass. Yeah, like Chris Rock of course, you know Martin Lawrence. H yeah. Yeah. When those guys walk in,

it's like, yeah, when do you want to go up? Okay, we'll put you one of them. Yeah, bro and uh yeah he got a standing ovation walking out. I'm like, damn, you know you're getting this like getting that rush or whatever. But you know, needless to say, I was just like, hey, you know they already heard Bill Burr. They haven't heard me yet. So that was when you first moved out here. No,

that was that was just that was almost a year ago. Yeah, so I remember when you first moved out here, and I remember now when I moved out here, were you like, yeah, everybody moves out here. No no, no, no no, no. I broke with you. Chappelle. Got it. Like the thing is is like you'll just know people like got it, like like yo, like you could just like like you could do whatever you want because you're Chappelle, So if you wanted to do anything else, you could have did it.

You were a cheerleader. Yeah, true, you know what I mean? Like and so yeah, I was like, oh yeah, yeah Chappelle stand up. Of course. The guy's sucking was hilarious in school. He's the and he's the black guy with the punk rock t shirts. Like there's that's an angle for an entire sp special. I even think that. What was the one clip you did on Comedy Central I saw that was I was like, yeah, yeah, he's talking about his life. I was there, Oh yeah, yeah yeah

like white friends and uh huh yeah ship. But yeah it was like, uh, I forget when I think, because I listened to Joe Rogan probably, if not every episode when he has some of the crazy cookie right wing dudes, I fall off. But yeah, but for the most part I probably listened to like almost I would say, eighty percent of all his shit. And and I remember he brought you up and I was like, oh shit, it's about to get real for this kid. Dude, he's like

the king maker. Yeah, and it was so wild. Is that like literally, I haven't even been on this podcast yet, but literally anytime he says my name or anything like that, I just start like, all of a sudden, I start getting a bunch of follows and I'm like fuck, like what But it's like a lot at like a time in a wild way and I'm like the hell And then all of a sudden my home, like some of my homies will be like, yo, I heard it Brogans talking about you right now. He said this, this and that.

So how did you guys become friends? Bro? That was a random that like all the shit that happens to me so fucking because for people who don't realize, I mean, Rogan is the most successful podcast for ever, and for people who are watching this aren't tapped in with the stand up world, Like he's like low key to Kingmanger, like like like if you like if he like co signed you as a comedian. Oh, that's that's a big it's a big plug. It's a huge plug. Yeah, it's

like that. They compare it to like Johnny Carson, like back in the day. Yeah, if you got on Johnny Carson, Yeah, now if you go do Joe Rogan's podcast, it's like, you know, yeah you can at least go on tour. Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna do good. Yeah. So you guys became friends. How so the Comedy Store has this so they have like they're paid regulars, right yep. And they have this program where like you work your way up into a paid regular called the development Spots. And

that's what that's what that's like the status. I'm at there right now, and uh, I was going to do like one of my development spots. So like they put a development spot like right at the top of the show. They just go up and do like five minutes said

blah blah blah spot for the for the week. And I was doing one, uh where Rogan was on the lineup and we were I am usually like when I first when I was first doing them, I would just kind of just sit there quiet, you know, just because all the big dogs are back there, and I kind of was just like chilling the corner, you know what I mean. And uh, then he came on. He just started talking to me. He's like, what's up, man, I was like, oh, what's up. Like we just started chopping

it up. Then we started talking about like we got real deep. We all of a sudden we started talking about, like, you know, he started talking about his dad. I started talking about like my you know, stepfather and crazy, the crazy ship we went through with him. We started talking about like you know, our anger problems we got like then we started talking about books and all this ship

and it was it was a really great conversation. And then, uh, as I'm leaving because I just had got off stage, you know, I went to go say bye to him. I was like, all right, Joe, you know, pleasure blah blah blah. And he was like, wait, what's what's your Instagram? Man want to follow you blah blah blah. I was like, oh ship. I was like, you know, there is blah blah blah. I was already following him, but yeah, he

started following me. And then you know, uh, I remember we had talked talked about he geeks out over my cheerleading. Of course he's just like he thinks it's like the craziest thing. He's just like a guy your size, you know, people around, Yeah, he goes it's it's insane, like and because I you know, a guy in my size isn't supposed to be able to do the flips that like I'm able to do. It's not Yeah, it's like it shouldn't be a thing. It's a lot of weight to

like carry, needless to say. And so he's just like, you know, geeked out over that. And you know, then he gave me his number. He's like, Yo, come come open for me tonight at the store. You know, I got a spot for you. Blah blah blah. I was like, whoa. And I didn't know if he had like seen me performed yet or anything like that, but he kind of was just like, yeah, you know, I'll throw you up.

Ever since then, we've just been cool. Yeah. And then like, so you're on the King and the Sting podcast, Yeah, with Brendan Shop and theovon right, So those two did you just because I feel like the comedy stores like where everybody kind of meets up. Is that how you met them as well? Or you know I met THEO and Brendan back in twenty sixteen actually in Arizona and Arizona. THEO wasn't even like they weren't even like where they're at right now. Oh of course not yeah, yeah, yeah,

no not at all. So like, yeah, we were just you know, just from you know, I would hang out at the comedy like the TIMPI I proper stand uplive all the time, just because like I was tight with all the staff there, and you know, they would just let me come kick it, you know, no no uh, no problems, and you know, and then I would just you know, those dudes would just come up just start talking to me because like I said, I don't know what it is about me sitting in a corner by

myself or something like that, but people just like, hey, man, what you up to? You know type type deal like, which is what happens a lot. And then uh sometimes it's juicy through like a mutual friend. But you know, yeah I met both of them, you know, twenty sixteen, and all of a sudden, like did you guys like stay in contact that whole time? Yeah? Like yeah, because they were like, yo, man, take my number down, like you know you real cool shit like that, blah blah blah.

Like it's funny because I feel like Brendan Shop is the kind of guy you wouldn't hang out with in high school. Oh hell no, hell no, we say that. We say that ship all the time, Like, bro, you guys would yo. You just roasted him the other day when he was talking about Nickelback. Oh you remember that? Yeah. I was like, yo, yo, this guy's shop is not a music head whatsoever. And you're like, you're like, yeah,

you would fucking listen to n Yeah. I was like, you wouldn't make sense, and he's so yeah, and he tries to make fun of me about like you know, he probably loves Drake too. Yeah he does. He does. Yeah, he does because uh he got a picture with Drake. Of course he does. And he was I was like, uh, I was like was he like he was saying, man, I was so excited anyways. Yeah, So like, you know, I like punk, but he thinks like Metallica's punk rock. No, he thinks he's he thinks I'm a big Green Day fan,

and I'm like, that's not that's sounds. I was like, that's not what I listened to. But he doesn't know that, right. He's like that. He's like that that jock in high school that like make fun of you. They were like, oh, well your mom and You're like, okay, cool, you're funny. Bro. Yeah, he's like because I think I followed I watched the podcast. I watched the one with him and Brian Callen. Yeah, and uh yeah, no, he's definitely that guy though. Yeah,

and it's hilarious. But he, like literally, hands down is one of the nicest people. I'm fan generous like bro, Like, you know, during the quarantine, I was like, I had no gym membership. Bro. He brought me like these expensive ass jump ropes, which I didn't know jump ropes could get expensive, right, Like, I just go get him from Marshalls. Yeah, he brought me like these weighted ones. They got an app, you got a download with you, Yeah, and then he

got he gave me a kettlebell. All this ship any how many fitness ship I would just go to the middle of roster Marshalls, you know. I got their little areas. Oh yeah that random a little electronics and weights. Is there Marshals out here? Yeah, at least a herd Bank theories one I adn't seen in Hollywood. So he bought you some some stuff. Yeah, Like he's just cool like that.

He'll you know, he'll take me on the road with him too, and then like you know, them bringing me on the as a you know, permanent person on the King of the sting has been like you know, like I don't know, like all of a sudden by following and all this shit, people just like fuck with me heavy and like I didn't realize, Like what's so funny is I used to get made fun of a lot about like the music I will listen to, like being

the black kid that listens to it. And literally now like so like a lot of the d ms I get is people asking me about music or want to talk music with me. It's like insane, Like so many people follow me because they see all the band t shirts I wear on the on the podcast, and like that's just that's just me being me. But like you know, hey, grew random tangent. Who's the worst Nickelback or Creed nickel Really? Yeah, I'll go at Cret on that one. You take Creed

over Nickelback. Yeah, I feel like I always say that though. That's the music that white women danced to at white strip clubs in the middle of America. Oh yeah, went on open working a pole of that working pole. C the fuck is going on getting down with the get down crazy No. So yeah, like to give anybody like like kind of give people some background because for the people who don't understand how there's this black dude who

cheerleaded and fucking loves punk rock music. How did you grow up because your brother was kind of a gangster low kid at school. Yeah, your brother was like he was like like, yeah, he was a goony on the football. Was like very we were. My brother and I were like when it came to like that stuff, right, like how did you get into all that? Like you know,

obviously that was before the internet. Right now, I feel like people can get into any kind of music they want because it's so much easier to Yeah, oh back in the day, it wasn't even like that do that, Like literally I got up again. I got into all that stuff. Uh you know because my mom she loves music, and like our home was so hectic and shit, you

know because of my stepfather crazy. Uh we we like she like that was the time I saw her at her happiest was when she was listening to music and she was playing like you know during that time, Like my earliest memories is like you know, Bobby Brown and like you know, uh fucking Brian McKnight, like all the h town like Joe to Cy, Like she was really into like a lot of that uh stuff, and she was always, you know, whenever she was like cleaning up

or anything like, that was what she she got down with. And so I started getting into it. And then, you know, obviously growing up like in Arizona, you know more I feel like or like obviously West Coast hip hop was touching Arizona, so like, uh, you know, Snoop's first album was like one of my favorites. I just told this guy it just I think he just had an anniversary before. That's one of my favorite albums ever. Yeah, great album and better than Reasonable Doubt hair. Whoa you say that

in public? My hair? Of course. Okay, I just know jay Z fans get crazy, but I'm a jay Z fan, I know. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, and then I just you know, switched to radio station. I heard some rock and I was like, damn, this is tight too. Yeah, there's the only station playing punk rock back then. Oh man, that's so crazy. Yeah The Edge one of one three point nine. Yeah, so yeah, because you were like into

some like real hard course ship though. Yeah, then I got into like all that, like the stuff that wasn't on the radio because none of that the radio because when I when I take a dive in music, Oh, I take a deep dive and I go like as far as I like, I can't, like I don't. I need to know it all right, Like that's just how I am. Is that? And that's because like I'm a big Henry Rollins geek. He is like that. Now, cheerleading that started in high school? Or did that start in

middle school? I started in high school, So I started at Westwood? Yeah, and so like, what what was the was it to get pussy? Was it? Yeah? I did it because I liked the girl. Yeah, like I'm gonna hang out with these but I didn't get her. Oh you did it for a particular girl? Which girl? You know her? You might have known her rist Lopez? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because I played in a band with her brother. We were trying to do like a sky a sky band, right,

and didn't even succeed. But that ended up breaking up. But I still jam what the hell's that name? We didn't even play shows. This was before Westwood though, ufore. Yeah, yeah, that drew my mind. But anyways, uh so I still jammed out with him, you know, because you know, you're trying to smash his sister. I don't know if I was trying to, bro, I would love her. You were trying to like take her on a date. Yeah, bro,

like the kind of apple. I'm the kind of guy like I wasn't trying to like smash trying to take her to express Yeah. Yeah, I was writing like I was writing poems like I was right, damn, like I went, I went in, dude, you know that's how you got in the cheerleading. Yeah, that's crazy. And then but I already knew how to do flips and ship. I told myself that when I was like, I mean, it was like five when I taught myself how to do that ship. Yeah.

The Westwood High School games, the hot Pocket. Remember the hot Pocket? What was that there? Where everybody was just crazy and yah yeah yeah hot Yeah. There was like the professional like fans. Mm, we'd be like, why don't you just play football? Yeah exactly, it's like you guy, my boy like Dudley Hunter. Shout out to Dudley, but I remember he used to just paint himself every game and like like, bro, you're in shape, like go play football? Is in shape? Being an orange guy every Saturday? What's

wrong with you? Yeah? That shit's crazy. Like now with obviously with stand up man, like the natural progression is to start acting. Well now it's also podcast podcast, right yeah yeah what wild something you said earlier that I thought like that is very accurate as far as comedy goes.

It's very comparable to hip hop, like as far as like the you know, everybody wants to say they yeah they do that, yeah yeah, wrap and everybody wants to say, yeah, I'm a comic, like because you you'll get cats that will go up and you're like, oh, you're just doing this because you want to say that you're a comic. You're not even like trying to do anything with it, which, like, honestly, this pandemic is I think it's clear that a lot of those fools out they got to move back home.

Yeah yeah, because they really realized their work. They're like, oh, I need to re evaluate myself because I need to make an actual living. Yes you know what I mean. Like if it's not your dream or it's not something you're going for then like so you're going for it all? Yeah man, So like because I could see you totally acting, oh would love to Oh bro, yeah, you're gonna be a movie, bro, I know that's what they say. It's gonna be good, even more so than a lot of

those guys that are in like little circle. Like you. You're young, you're got a unique look, like you be living because those those cats like you know, that whole squad, they just do podcasts. They don't do they do the fun out of pocket. They just a funk out of podcasts. They don't do any acting or anything. But but I like, I don't know, I like performing. I like entertainment itself. I like it's I don't know, it's just one of obvious. You're gonna be in a jet appetitle movie. I can

feel it. Man, I'll do that. What's up? Jut what's the other what's the other guy? There's Judd, and then there's there's another big comedy guy I don't know that does that also directs comedy movies. Will Ferrell is the jet appatol guy, right well, I think Will does a lot with Jet Appatite. And then the other guy is the guy who does like forty year old Virgin and I don't know that was Oh Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan does a lot of Seth Rogan does a lot. Maybe

maybe they're the same guy. I think a lot of it's Judd Appatil. It got shout out to him. Yeah, bro, he does a lot. He just did he Davidson's uh yeah, King of Staten Island. Yeah. I saw that it was interesting. It was it wasn't it wasn't a bad movie like good I thought it was. I just thought it was kind of like, it wasn't very funny. How about that there were some funny parts in it, like the fact he had to take the like Bill Burst kids. The

school was like, oh, yeah, that was pretty funny. I'm like, Yo, who the fuck is letting their fucking kid walk to school with some random ass motherfucker? The fuck is going a guy that's trying to get with that person's mom? The fuck that's right? He did? Yeah, yeah, no, I think that like with the stand up thing, like I think it's it's also like because of the podcasting ship,

it's more on ah, like it's easier to too. I feel like, you know, five years ago, like if you were like a stand up guy, you had to be like you had to be like a real geek. Yeah, you know. Now it's like you don't have to be like my you know, there's just normal people who just like Joe Rogan in their life, and then they find these other podcasts and then people who never I feel the Comedy Store has become this. It's always been legendary.

I feel like there's been like a resurgency. Oh yeah, definitely. They all talk about like how there was a point in time where it was just like no one went there. Yeah, because I remember even when it happened with the like it's it took a downfall. Like honestly, when like I think when like the men see a Rogan thing happened because they because Rogan got banned. It was like a toss up between the Comedy Store and the Laugh Factory when I first moved out here, and then I was like,

oh no, there's a difference. You ever been a Chocolate Sundays at the Laugh Factory? I haven't fire. That's one of the most fire shows. Let me ask you this. Gary Owen is a white guy who does black who does black comedy. Right, so like when you go to a Gary Owen show, he could do Chocolate Sundays, he could do all that ship right. Yes, you're a black guy who doesn't necessarily do quote unquote black comedy. Yeah.

I just talked about you, just talk about you and your experience, right, but like, when have you done like a black comedy night? Yeah, and do they fuck with you? Yeah? The first time I did it, man, I bombed so hard. I bombed so hard because I can only imagine, like it's just it's just different. It's like it is. Gary Owen's not gonna go and like pull up and and and do a show with Jim Gaffigan. You know, first of all, Gary Owen has the blackest audience. Then like

some like and he's hilarious, and he's fucking hilarious. But yeah, you're right, Yeah, yeah, some of the like like he probably has like most of a lot of comments. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He has. His audience's black. You're not gonna see like a white person in there or any other like it's black. I've been doing a couple of Gary okay, never mind, Okay, well you see boutleg there, but no, Yeah, the first time I did like an

all black room, yeah, I bombed hardest. Fuck. I was doing a weekend and the club Runner back home in Arizona, uh, for the clubs. I was doing this to Casey Currier. He was like, you know, he was like building me up, and he goes, I've seen what you can do in this room. What can you do in this room? And I went up there and I was like, let's do this, bro. I fucking tanked they did. I didn't get I got. I got three laughs at the start, the middle, and

the end. Other than that, it was the longest twelve minutes of my life. And I was waiting for the light and then so then but then the headliner that I was open for, Rodney Perry, shout out to Rodney Perry. He was like, hey man, he goes, I'm glad you stayed you. He goes, that's good, but you're not clearing something up immediately up top, he was like, you gotta you gotta address that. You can't just like start telling jokes. He goes, because the thing about black people, you know,

do like perform for black people. He goes, They got questions about you as soon as you walk on stage, he goes, And then he was like, you completely missed that. You gotta say those things off the He's like, you gotta clear it up. He goes, and then you can say whatever you want after that because they already know you. He goes, but they don't know you right now, and they got questions. They're looking at you, like who's this motherfucker? Yeah,

they were like something different about him. Yeah, they know it. They he goes. They can see he goes. He goes as soon as you grab the microphone. They know as soon as you grab the microphone. You don't even have to talk yet. He's just no, he goes. You gotta say it. He goes. So do all that like up top, And then I remember I went home and I changed up like my whole set and then, bro, when I tell you I did it, I fucking did it. Oh man,

Yeah it was. It was like one of like the like the greatest moments in my comedy career because it was like, fuck yeah, like I saw him in and then they have this, uh show at the store. Uh fucking what the hell is it called on Thursday nights. Damn it. They're gonna punch me in the face for

not knowing this one. But but it's all all black room and uh sometimes I would get my development spots on that room and I already knew like boom boom boom, and like they the lady that runs it sell she she fucking uh loves me and always gave me like more time stuff like that, because you usual comics bomb that room, you know what I mean. Like there's a lot of it's like, you know, I mean, dude, black people, but black people are the best people, the best audience

to ever perform for. I can imagine, because here's the thing. They ain't gonna write a blog about your joke. You're not gonna try to cancel you. They're gonna try to cance you. Bro, if you ain't funny, They're just gonna say it on site, not on Twitter, not on Twitter. They're gonna tell you right there. Yeah, people be like, oh god, pull of the coolest moments. I know. Jesus was in the crowd run I had him dying. I was like, yes, that's fire. Yeah yeah, it's crazy man,

it's canceled coach as wow. Bro oh bro, it's you know. I you know, I think about it a lot, you know, because because I try to. I just try to understand so much because I want to understand a lot of perspectives. I want to I want to try to like understand and if you know a lot of times, yeah, I don't click with it. And I think the reason why I don't click with it because like I think my stepfather was abusive. He was abusive as fuck, you know

what I mean. And but I don't want to go after him, you know, I don't want to go like because like I think about like when I went like I went through, I had to go. I have I've had three different anger management uh teachers and oh ship you got some real anger. Yeah. Yeah. I went to anger management for about eight weeks because I got yeah, I punched a window, oh damn and uh and and I had to go. I went to court and then they put me. I had to go to anger management

off country club and university. I'll see it. Mine was through like the I remember where that task is wherever you would have to go piss. Yeah, that's ready to go. I had to go through the schools I went to. Okay, so what were you saying? So you were sorry? Back to what you were saying? Oh but yeah, like okay, So my anger management teacher, they didn't teach me to go after people. They taught me to go after myself.

So like that's why I don't connect with trying to cancel someone like that, Like I don't want to, Like, you know, I don't blame my biological father for not being around those years, right, Like I don't blame my mom for like when she stayed with my stepdad, because it's like, I don't know, I'd rather I'd rather, you know, I don't know, I'd rather make my life cool on my own than because then you're relying on other people's

choices for your happiness. Yeah, Like that's not gonna be like like, yeah, save my stepfather, you know, Like yeah, I want to give people a lot of power. Yeah, yeah, exactly like you say, yeah, I went after him. You know, he ends up going to prison for the ship blah blah blah. How does that make you better ten years after that? Dude? It doesn't Like it literally does nothing for me, Like I didn't do I didn't do anything

for me. I did it because I was I don't like but it's like what so right, you know that, Like like I said, I try to understand everything, you know, I try to be completely honest with everything about me. I think that there's a lot of stuff where it's like okay, man, there's definitely people who do shit. Yeah you're like, okay, well you're a piece of shit, and I mean you get aired out all day. Like there's you know, there's a lot of that, you know that

I'm like, yeah, I agree with. But then there's just certain shit where it's like like wait, wait, like you can't never make a mistake. Yeah, like that, Like I was like the one I think about like a lot is like that Kevin Hart situation, like crazy, like he had old insensitive tweets, but like back then, like dude, if like you know and obviously nobody likes to slure gay people love gay people like Eminem couldn't put albums

out anymore. Oh if like we went back and like held people to the same standards we hold them today, well it's just like, well, the thing is like how come no one looked post that tweet like like like after that tweet, like why didn't anyone like look at his life in the way he is after that? Right? Like why did they? Why did they define him off that something? Because if you if you looked at it, you go, oh, he hasn't done that was the last

time he did something like that? As the person could have put the person what the person could have done has been like oh, man, Kevin Hart used to talk like this and he doesn't anymore. Man, he's moving like

he grew. He grew. That's so awesome that people. But man, we like, you know, I think a lot of people are just because they can't go after someone else that they I think that it's a little bit more closer than him, so they try to I think they just go after these people and try to make this like thing. Me I'm I'm unapologetic as fuck. Like I mean, like I don't like I don't have a fear of like not being liked or not being you know, people. I think too. What's great about like being in your position

is like you have your own platform. You're also comedian, so it's like you're so I I want my comedians to say offensive things. Yeah, well because like like yo, think about the Chappelle special that came out over this transmit and how it was it was really funny, Like it's not coming from a place of hatred. But he's a comedian and he's supposed to make fun of people. Yeah, that's all people. That's the thing about comedy. The reason

why it's funny because we're saying shit differently. We're gonna say it in a way that not everybody is thinking, so we're always thinking of it in a different way. And and every time a comedian writes a joke, no comedian is writing a joke to go, man, I want to fucking bash on these people. No comedian does that right in a joke, because damn, that's funny. The intent is funny. And then there what's the one guy, Uh, what's his name? The guy who made the fucked up

Kobe joke on Twitter when he died. No, that guy, that guy's not just not funny, Like, hey, bro, like, what what were you thinking? But does but do I think he deserves to get canceled? No, like he lost. Yeah, it was a horrible joke, horrible joe joke. And even if it wasn't a joke, like he just like he didn't even he didn't he didn't even have to do that. Read the room, buddy, Yeah, read the fucking room. Sometimes

you just got to read the room. Yeah yeah, yeah, But but I agree with you, like, like I don't funk with that dude because of what he said, because I'm like, yo, he's probably not that great of a guy. Plus, I he fucking poisoned the Burke guy with some drugs, yeah, which she was like, bro, what kind of guy does that? What the fuck gave mexstausy or something without I'm all right, we'll look. I'm just not gonna I don't have to support the guy, but he should be able to still

go get booked. But like, here's the thing, like people don't realize about comedians, like you got to think of comedians as like a like like uh like TV. You got a lot of channels. Yeah, I don't like I don't like you know, I'm not a big friends guy exactly. I thought Two and a Half Men was trash, but guess what, people like it. And that's how that's how you gotta think of comedy. So like I don't have

like like I don't like get weird. Like like I've had like one lady you know, come up to me after a show because she was offended by a joke and I was just like, okay, you're at a you should you should be off like people. She wanted a battle and I was just like, okay, there's no point to put any energy there. Yeah, because one I knew, I like, I know my intentions, I know where I'm coming from, I know who I am, and I know

what I'm saying. And first of all, you can't pick and choose throughout my set of what you thought was offensive or not. There'd be no time to live if people did that with everything in their life. Oh and there's people who do that. Yeah, they do. You know what they're gonna do. I'll tell you what. Because I used to be just like my anger, I used to just pop, you know what I mean. It was just a lot of it just because I was sensitive to like, you know, I thought everybody needed to like, you know,

to my needs. But you know, you get exhausted after because it because it doesn't really because I used to be the same way where I would like, I would like argue with people on Facebook, which is the worst ship? Oh, bru, you're one of those people. I would I would see some ship or somebody would try to say some slick ship, some local rapper or something, and I would just why am I giving energy to this ship? Because it because I know it's so funny, because like, no conversation is

authentic over the internet. Never think about it like you didn't. You didn't hit me up to do this podcast, to go, hey we're gonna we're gonna do it over Twitter though you know what I mean, That doesn't it doesn't make any sense. So it's like you know when people like go back and like I don't know you if someone if someone tells me, hey, this happened, and then I go, how do you know? Like how do you know that's true?

And then they go, We'll go look at Twitter. I'll slap them in the face because I hate that ship. You know, it's crazy, just is It's just also people just get their information from these places, like and they hang their hat on it. I have like my mom will send me ship she sees on Facebook and I'll be like Mom, I'm like, Mom, get the funk off Facebook. My mom was like literally be like yo, I don't I don't know if the coronavirus is real. Kevin. I'm like, Mom,

stop going on face. You know exactly where she was at. Yeah, like, yo, you on Facebook? On Facebook? Mom, stay the fuck off of Facebook. Like most old people get shipped off of Facebook. Yeah, it's like their fucking It's like their new source, no matter what side of the spectrum you are. Politically, Hey, old people ruined Facebook. That Facebook is fucked up. It's the worst that I've also that, uh deactivated or whatever.

And then it's because it's also people who you like, actually known real life, and you're like, fuck, this guy is a real piece of ship. Damn I knew this guy, I mean unfollowed, Like like I know this guy in real life. Twitter is like people you're never gonna meet. Twitter's a joke. Yeah, like, okay, you're you're a fan where you at? Yeah, exactly. People are real brave on Twitter, real brave. You you were cool. Christa lear Right. I've heard him talk about you. Yeah, what's going on with

this guy? Man? You know I don't have that information. Have you spoken with him since this ship popped off? Man? Because it's listen, I don't know what happened, but either way they got just the guy did just have a baby. Yeah, you know he's got a he's got a girl and a baby. And you know, if if this is the the version of what happened, is the version where he didn't do any of this stuff, then fuck you gotta

feel I mean shit, that sucks, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like it's it's a your thing, you know. Like that's why, like I'm not one of those people that like, I don't jump into a group thing. I don't. I don't think correctly. I don't I can't think in the group format. I have to step away from ship to like understand it from like myself, and then I go, well, what what what is this information? What can I do

with this information? And then it's like, oh, you know, then you kind of like, you know, dwindle it down, you know, uh yeah, as far as that goes, you know. Yeah, Like like that's why I had to get away from the social media world because like like like like as far as Twitter, like Facebook, because when you when you go on and you just see like this ship and this is supposed to be correct, and I'm like, bro, I read books like why the fuck am I like

looking at this ship for you know, something correct? And you know, I was just like, listen, you know, I've never known him to do any of that, do any of that? You haven't had any communication with him since everything popped off? Yeah, I hyeah, you know, and and and and I and I. You know, it was weird because I hate the fact that like I was letting social media like to find that if I should or not, you know, whereas like, you know, and I had I

had a long talk. I had a long talk with my my girl about it, you know, and she was like the first dude you met in comedy, you know, like he you know, so he was the first guy you met in comedy. It was first guy I met in comedy. What year was that? That was twenty eleven. Oh wow, yeah, you met Christi Leean twenty eleven. He wasn't even like anything. This was before he was the Justin Bieber's favorite comedy. Yeah, yeah, this was before before that.

And so this is a guy who like did he help did he kind of serve as a mentor at all to you? Like in a comedy shit? Ever? Uh yeah, yeah, he helped me out with some stuff, man, he uh you know, he's letting me open for him, you know, which is like, you know, he has some of like the craziest fans, craziest fans and like the dopest audience, you know. And yeah, man, yeah, so I've reached out to him, and you know, my girls, like you shouldn't feel guilty about that. Yeah, I mean like you gotta.

I mean, look, you're his friends should give the benefit of doubt. Yeah, exactly. And then there's and and there's nothing. She's like, there's nothing wrong with that, you know, like you're you're not You're not a judge, You're not a you know, that's that's not your lane. But I was just like, you know, I reached out to him. I said, I'm probably the you know, on the lowest, lowest part of the tone poll of people you want to hear from right now, But you know, I just send positivity away. Man.

So did you get tested for the coronavirus? Coronavirus? I ended up getting it, I know. I saw that, bro. I got two negative tests back, so I'm good now I did get it. I went out to Arizona and fucked off and Scottsdale, my roommate has got it. Yeah, I think she got it when she went. She's from Arizona as well. Yeah, Arizona is a guy in breeding ground, so weird. Those are simp I couldn't smell. You couldn't smell, Yeah, I had, I just have no I could taste. My

wife couldn't taste, but she could smell. No, she couldn't do either. Damn. That was that was my roommate. She couldn't. She couldn't taste. You didn't catch it, so you were because you were in Brandon Brandon shop a lot. Yeah, yeah, so I didn't catch it. Another one of my homies had got it that I was exposed around. He had got it. Didn't get it. My roommate it was around her obviously. My roommate. Yeah, didn't get it. And then uh, yeah, what's up. I didn't get it. It's yeah, let me

ask you this. Black people don't get it. I'm just kidding because my boy beat Out Scales got it. He's I mean, it's ship. Just kidd the gods and died anyway. Yeah, it was just so crazy because I would always like watch Brandon Shop talk about the mask thing. Bro I even told him. I was like, you're talking about it. You were talking that ship I called it. I was like, bro, hey snapped you upside the head boy Jesus. And then he was like he was like, I mean, he goes,

here's the thing. Yeah, I'm fine, you know, I'm good. I knew what I was signing up for. But he was like, you know, it's not worth it. He goes because you know, uh, you know, he goes, I had to record you know, my podcast at a home, like I got to step away from your family. Yeah, he had like he had to stay in the in his basement. Yeah. I mean I understand that, the idea of like, you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna do it because if I get it, I'm gonna get it, but I'm gonna

still live my life. I don't think that's smart. It's a little selfish, but like I get it. Like, but yeah, even like I feel like Rogan kind of chilled out on his like because he was on that wave too a little bit. Well probably because he probably because I would say, maybe because he knew more people that were getting it. Yeah. But like yeah, even like I saw him, he was saying, like you know he did Houston. Yeah, he was like, dude, what it wasn't worth it? It

was not worth it. He's like, I thought I'd go out like it's just not worth it. Like, I get it that you did the Phoenix show. Yeah I didn't get it there. Huh. And that weekend we had did those shows is when a Z spiked yep. But the way so the way uh Stand Up Life had did it so like I said, that club seats around like close to six hundred. Well they only they they only

let three hundred in. They used the the you they used the whole room so like everybody so like if you, if you were if you like only people that were sitting by each other came with each other came with each other, so like otherwise like and it was like it was spread out like that. But the way they had the lights, it didn't like we couldn't tell on the stage like that. It looked like that, you know, because it was like the crowds like you know, like not lit, so uh, we couldn't tell, but it seemed

like a full room. But it's just everybody was at a distance. Uh have you has? Have you? I Mean I think it's inevitable you're gonna end up going on the Joe Rogan podcast. But is that that ever been tossed around officially? Oh yeah, we've talked about it. Yeah, it don't happen. When it happens, and then it's over and then it's a wrap And I'm just kidding, Like, what's the west Wood? What's the west I am not from masa what. I'm from Beverly Hills, Beverly. I'm from

West Hollywood, from West hollywoods pour on the wheat grass. Yeah, I go to Creation every morning, shout I did a juice clean That ship sucked? You did that five days? How did you feel? You didn't feel like you were hungry? Ah? Yeah, like like yeah I did. Oh you did? By the I say about like the third said, it doesn't make it. By the second or third day, I was like used to it. So it was cool. But those first like forty eight hours. But I also didn't. Everyone's like me

feel so good. I didn't. I was like, man, I'm shipping like a crazy person. Like my ass like I'm good, you know, I mean, shouts Creation, but the juice cleans, I'm straight. Yo. Who okay, I know you're a big Oasis fan fan. You can have dinner with either Henry Rollins, Is it Noah Gallaghers? Did I get his name? No? No, Gallagher would be You know, I've I've performed with Henry and like had a good conversation with so you've already talked to him. So it's so it's no Gallagher. That's fair. Yeah,

there's such polar opposites musically. Oh that's the funny thing about it. We were like, how are you an know? I'm like, it's well, okay. What people don't realize about Oasis is that Oasis has a very punk attitude, right, and that's why, like that's what caught my attention with him, and like outside of Wonderwall and Champagne super Nova, most people don't realize they have like some kind of like harder harder ship, harder ship. Because when I was a kid,

I had the album What's the Story More? Yeah? Yeah, great album. Yeah, great album. Yeah we had that album of course. Yeah that ship. I mean when I grew up, my cousin who was in and out of prison put me on the that ship like suicidal Tendencies yea, all that kind of ship. But yeah, Oasis was one of those bands. Wow, that's pretty white CD? Right? Yeah CD's white? Yeah my CD book damn of course. Hey, what's the

one band? What's what? Like? It's funny because I always there's certain music I hear when when whenever it pops up in my life, I'll be like, yo, this is this is Westwood? What's like that? Like a band that like you think like this was like the band in high school. Oh, the band it's for me. It's always Authority zero. Oh, Bro Damn or Bionic Jive was Doug Cooper gave me that CD Damn Oh? Or there was also the Funk Junkies. The Funk Junkies now, but the

Funk Junkies were never popping like they weren't. The kids in high school were bumping Authority zero. Yeah, they were bumping Authority zero. But you know I listened to Authority zero. But that wasn't like my That wasn't your bag. Yeah, yeah, I'd say probably black Flag that was my like like anytime it comes on, like I know exactly where I was, where I was, how I was, you know, my whole existence. Yeah, man,

that's that's crazy. It is. So did you start to get into that hardcore ship in high school or before that? You cause you were said you were in a band before that, right, Yeah, I start I got I got in the hard core stuff in junior high Pow Patriots baby, yeah when I was like thirteen yo. We grew up around a lot of Mormons, a lot lots of Mormons,

lots of them. And I think that Trump being president has shown me that there are much worse conservative people in the world of Mormons, because yo, when I wait, when I moved from tight, they're tight. Because listen, let me tell you something. When I moved from Sunny Slope to Mesa, I was like, I was like thirteen and he was in Sunny Slow first. Yeah, so I grew up my cousin who went to posting a Mountain View. Yeah, he scared me about Mormon people. Oh. He was like, yo,

they got cameras in every house in Mesa. He just made up all this wild shit. I was like, damn, man, the Mormons are the ops, bro. Yeah shit. And they ended up going to school with him, and like a lot of the homies in school were all Mormon. They were like the nice That's what I'm saying. Like Westwood carried a lot of Mormon. Yeah, they were super nice. Like a good amount of the white kids that went to Westwood were Mormon, probably Mormon. Yeah yeah, and they

were cool, cool as fuck. Yeah. I think Mormons are tight, bro. I got a lot of I mean yeah, we got a lot of And then I just remember being in high school, like you know, you like grow up in Mesa. There's like a big ass Mormon temple on Main Street on Main Street, and like I would just always like I'd be like, nah, there's no way they think that this is real. And then I researched, I like, oh shit,

they think it's dang. And then you would like have your warmon homies who were kind of woke, be like, hey, you really don't like the underwear thing, like I've seen you drink so before. Bro, Come on, the underwear thing is real, though, Bro that it's it's it's if you actually cool. No, they're super cool, but god, damn, I don't know if I can roll with the underwear. Well. They also weren't fucking with black people until like nineteen seventies.

They weren't with black people. I think in the Book of Mormon black people are called knee fights. That's tight and yeah, and they weren't allowed in the church. Damn. Yeah fights something like that. You you don't want to look that up. Knees fight, I like that. Yeah. Shout out to the Mormons, though, choose the right, choose the right. Uh, they got the cr rings up and shout out to fucking uh temple lights. Steve Young's a Mormon. You I mean shout out to the forty Steve Young's Mormons. Yeah

he went to b Yu. Oh shit, I didn't know that. You know what's crazy is a lot of the Mormon kids in school, though, you could tell that they're like grew up in like these super weird conservatives, because it'd be like the kids who would like go to like

and do Heroin or like sniff piples bruh. Like that's what I'm saying, like Mormons like or the Mormon Like there was like those like two or three Mormon chicks that were like blowing dudes at parties brou because they were some that were either like the fucking or just like just like, oh you're Mormon, Damn I've seen you do some ship and yeah, and the other ones that are just like there was like an era in our school work. You remember when kids were going to Rocky

Point and getting somas and everything. Yes, everybody at Westwood was so much fucking on soma's dude. So like I was having a conversation with some one the other day, they didn't know what somas were. Bro O g muscle relaxed right there. Yeah, motherfuckers in school og mustle relaxed, bro. I remember I used to I went to eave It and there was this kid named Rusty Creed. Do you

remember Redhead? Yeah, the redheaded kid man and I used to ride from sometimes I ride from even back to Westwood with them because we both went to eve It and this wool used to sniff so much, so much, really like a crazy person. I was like, dog, I never got into drugs in my life. I mean, I've only smoked weed. I've never even taken a pain pill. Oh damn. Really yeah, I don't funk with it because my whole family's uh you know, I grew up around a bunch of drug addicts and I'm out like we

as chill yeah, weed alcohol. Why do people make weeds such a big deal? I don't think it is anymore like a big deal of how like here, like, why do they make weeds such a big deal? I l you just go to go to the store and just buy something. I almost feel like if you don't smoke weed, now it's almost weird, like wait, you don't like ever? Like no, I never once like wait what, well you

know what you know what would get me? And they said they changed them up edibles edibles would knock like I would puke every time, but they soon but I heard they changed up the Well, now it's limited I had. I had gone to the worst not in my life. I ate a whole cake pop and I was only supposed to be a quarter of it. And I went to a yellow Wolf concert at a club Red. What

year was that twenty fourteen? Yep, yeah, yellow Wolf and Ritz and I went to that show and I was sitting on the tour bus in the back and I was like, man, I don't even feel this shit. I'm good. Went inside to watch my homie Rits perform, and all

of a sudden, I couldn't move. Bruh. Have you ever had the experience where you're so high on an edible in a crowded room and you can hear every conversation if you wanted to, Like you, I could hone into somebody in the middle of a concert and hear their entire conversation on the other side of the venue, and I'd be like, what the fuck I eat? Dude, couldn't move my legs? No, bruh, I feel you. And I'm like leaning on my boy like fam, I can't walk.

He's like what you mean you're standing. I'm like no, but I can't move my leg can't move legs. And then I start I started to hallucinate low key yeah, bro that like, yeah, dude, I saw Garfield the Cat on stage with slot machine eyeballs, did you Yeah, but you really do see something, especially if you close your eyes not edible like all of a sudden, like my world is like I just like I could hone in on people's convers It was like I had a superpower,

like a like a like a hearing superpower. And then all the crazy shit that could happen to somebody while they're in that state of mind happened that night in front of my face. Because you know, you'll go to like a concert in Arizona and there's like those wild ass Native dudes. Oh bro, they go hard to paint. So this guy focks up a security guard right in

front of me. I'm like sitting on the side of the stage at the old Club Red and I'm on the one on the one one University, yeah, and I'm on the couch and this guy they're just fighting in front of me, and I didn't think it was real, dude, And then I was like I went outside and sat down and the guy was outside. He was a Native dude, and then I started talking to him and I sent some wild ill ship to him probably and he wanted to beat me up. But I didn't think he was real,

and my I thought it bro. I couldn't believe, like what was going on. I was like, this is really happening right now? Or am I Is it the drugs? He's like it's both, but yes, it's really happening. Shout to the natives. Man had to pay yo. That's the one bro there at every concert rap metal. That was the one thing like going to rock shows because I would like love to get into marsh pits and ship and CrowdSurf when I was in like high school in

junior high. But like the one thing I would do is when a skinhead jumped in or a big native dude jumped in the pit, I had to get out because the motherfuckers is out for blood. They are see my little white ass you I'm taking it all. Yeah they're they're they're going for it, man. But yeah, you're right, like natives got there's such music heads, such music heads. Yeah you haven't seen him all kinds of shows. Many, definitely tach nine shows, Yeah, a lot of Yeah. What

did I see wu Tang? I think it was like eight at the Marquee. Oh yeah, yeah, I was there. They were all up there. I got in a fight with one at a shove. Homie. What's the best non rock contentry You've been to? A ship? Damn, that's a that's a tough one. Gosh. Okay. I saw Kendrick before he even anything right. I think he just had made Freshmen? Was it the Celebrity Theater the BT. I saw him at Clubhouse up on Broadway, yep. That she got shot

up the night the Nipsey show happened. Yes, the night that. Yeah, I saw that show. And there's something I saw in Age and Kendrick because it was my first time knowing about him, and I was like, Damn, this dude is like the deal. Like it was just something about his energy on stage and the way he went off that was just so like he had to. He had school Boy with him, have soul and all that stuff. Like

that show was dope. Snoop Dogg in the East Siders was fucking That was like, is like one of those guys was just like you don't gotta do much on stage. You snoop man Bru and he's gonna He's gonna play the fucking songs. You're like, ship yeah all day. Kanye West touched the Sky Tour two thousand and five at the Dods. It was when it was Dodgs thead. Yeah, I went to that one. That one was fire. I saw jay Z at uh I think that was the last rap concert. I went to jay Z out here. No,

it was in uh fuck is the Arena? Beck Home? Yeah? Talk yeah, so u jay Z? That concert was fires. Yeah, the Kanye thing. I saw Kanye and Marquee did oh. That was like way back. Actually, it was so funny. Is I think I talked to you about that probably you know you were like, yes do Kanye West? I was. I was pushing the fun out of my boys. My boy's brother had a rap group called Dilated Peoples and they had a song with Kanye and they were like big and I used to tag their ship up on everything. Yeah,

little eyeball and shout to dilated man. So what's next for you? Man? The pot I know that you can't do stand up right now? Really, Yeah, it's a little tough. Are you, like, is that how you're paying your bills right now? What doing stand up because you gotta bills? Yeah? Full I mean like you're getting hit pretty hard then financially right now. Not not really showing the little drugs guns guns yeah no, yeah in the podcast, yeah, making money off that. So you're doing the podcast full time?

How long have you been doing How long have you only been doing content comedy where it's like the only job you have, because that's got to feel good. Never we're like, because right now you're full time? Oh how

long have I been full time comedy? I went full time in twenty nineteen, and I had to feel good though, Yeah, summer twenty nineteen because I had got on some TV show for EAT Network, and then I had gotten to I I had gotten into Comedy Central's Comedy Central Festival, and then I had gotten to one of the biggest comedy festivals in the world just for last Montreal. And when I got those I was just like, all right, man,

I'm leaving this hotel job. I just like, yeah, I doubled down on myself because the way things was happening, and then all of a sudden, man like, once I quit that job. It just started like you know, wow hitting you know, and then uh yeah that that just for last like really put me on because that's where I found my my touring agents and stuff in which are I'm like, a really really good So you got an agent? Yeah, I got a manager and how at my agent? But no, you ain't got to you give

me a direct? You got it? No? But yeah, like in that ever since I got my agent, and they were like before I even signed with them, they were like, yo, we got you this kid. And I saw the gig and I was like, I take that because I saw that. I saw that that paycheck and I was like, yeah, all right, but how often were you on the road prior to the COVID thing? I was on? Yeah, I

was on the road a lot. I was just like because you because you're headlining to now yea like in different cities, which be that that festival I did have put me on the map. But what's what's been what's been wild is that through this COVID and being on you know, King and Steam with Brennan and THEO, that has like like so yeah, once it was over, you're get into the bag and then you're gonna do Joe Rogan and then you're gonna and then you're gonna be

a celebrity theater with the rotating stage. Oh yeah, I'll do celebrity theater. What is is that? Like the that's like the biggest comedy spot right as far as like a comedy stage. I mean, actually, I fucking Rogan did Josh Theater or what's it called now's now some other ship, but that's probably America America Theater, but that's probably the biggest. That's probably like the biggest. Kevin Hard, Yeah, Kevin Hart did it, Lea did it. Dave did it. Dave doesn't

do like Arena's real. Yeah, he did that that thing with the flight of concords, remember, yeah, Yeah, and it was at it was at the ship on the West Side pavilion, pavilion. Yeah. Have you met Dave Chappelle yet? I did. I met him. That's a wild story because for us that's our goat. Yeah Chappelle show in high

school Untouchable. So that was that was crazy. So I was going to like audition, like the talent director for the Comedy Store would have me come in like ever so often, like kind of like audition to see like if you wanted to move me up to like the next step. And one night I was going in there and uh, you know, you know, I was just rolling up and I and I turned over to my left and I see Dave Chappelle and I was like, oh ship. He just walked right up to me. He was like,

what's up, man? And I was like, I was like, I'm a comedian and my first name is Chappelle. And he was like hell yeah. He thought it was so cool, right, and it's are you going up man? I was like, yeah, you know, going to And then the talent director had walked up saw both of us. He goes, oh my god, Chappelle's and I was like, that's cool. That's cool. But then I was like, Dave, is it cool? Like if I get a picture with you? Man? Like because he

doesn't really do pictures now I know, I know this. Yeah, So I was like, can I get a picture with you? He was like, Chappelle, let's take a picture. And I was like, damn. Yeah. I DJed the after party for that show in Phoenix, okay, the one that he did in twenty fifteen. Yes, so he I went to that show. So he actually rented out my boys club. Fuck, who's

the DJ he rolls with Trauma? Trauma, Yeah, Trauma. So my boy hits me, who owns Monarch in downtown Phoenix, and he's like, yo, you want to come in DJ for Dave Chapone and his friends and this is it was like a Monday night. It was an off night. It was yeah, what do you mean? He's like, dude him and what's the uh Donnelle and no. But it was also the h the guy who does all the roasts was there. He was a dick. Jeff Ross. Oh, that dude was a straight asshole. Was a big piece

of shit. I was like, bro, there's like twenty five people here. I'm like, hey, what's something. You're funny and he just looked at me like I was crazy. Sometimes you want to just throw hands with people. But yeah, no, but it was kind of. It was crazy because Dave Schappe I was djaying and I think he ended up hopping on or he was just telling me to play ship and uh, he was cool as fuck. Man. He took a picture he was this when he was swallo though. Oh yeah he was jacked. And then he gave me

his lighter. Oh Damn, I forget how like, uh lit up with we were lit up with blunt or something. And then I want to give him his lighter back, and he's like, just keep it. And the lighter had his logo on it, and then and the lighter said Chappelle's lighter got it? Oh you still got it? Of course, Dave Chappelle gave me his lighter and he took a picture with me. But I felt so weird because look, I'm the type of guy who I'll pass on the picture.

But I'm like, man, this is Dave Chappelle. I don't know if I'm ever gonna be around this guy again. And I don't give a fuck about rappers and musicians, but like Dave Chappelle, be like if I met Larry David, Like, I don't care if Larry David hates my guts and I get on his nerves. Wherever he's at, if I see him, he could be enjoying a meal with children, I'm gonna be like, hey, dude, can we get a selfie?

See I'm a musician, Like I geek out over musicians. See, I don't give a fuck because I met them all. I'm desensitized to all the ship. I mean, like we actually the concert question because I don't fucking all the All the answers of that for me are just when I was a kid, when I still cared. I've been to every single I've probably been to a thousand concerts in my life, at least a thousand. I'm the same way.

I've been to so many concerts that i can't remember who I've seen, and then like now I'll go and I'll usually be backstage and I'll be like, i just don't give a fuck to go watch. I'm like, yeah, Brooke, I've seen you ten times. What am I going to see different? Yeah? Yeah, you know, like it's very seldomly like where I'll see somebody for a new I'm like, oh ship. Yeah. Like Mac Miller was like that, Like Mac every like every tour he'd get, he'd elevate because

he'd learn a new instrument. Dude. I know. It's crazy because I've been traveling so much and like obviously if you flying in and out of LA like you just see yeah people. I've run into some people on my flights and I'm like, damn. Like when I saw h who was on one of my school boy cute, groovy, cute baby. Yeah, I was my boy. I was like, damn there he is right there. Bro, he's the ship too. And then I was if you're like a weirdo, he'll be like, yo, you're a weird as like he's the ship.

I had to say what's up to him? I was like, what's so cute? And he was like, what's up? Man? Like he was he was cool. He plays a lot of golf. Uh. I saw the baby on the flight. I just say, what's up to Baby's a good gay man. I was like, you know, because video I've seen what you're doing, either that or a security I was like, bro, you say to your songs you ain't friendly. Brother. The baby killed somebody of Walmart, I know, like b like real deal. I'm like, bro, he killed some somebody came

at him in Walmart and he smoked him. Hey shit, I know nobody can say shit about that guy. Ever. Oh no, like I killed somebody, no one can say about him, or fifty or fifty fifty one of those people know what can say shit about? There's someone else I'm not thinking of. That's gotta be Oh fat Joe. Fat Joe probably has the uh. Probably the single most notorious violence against other famous people rap sheet and hip hop history. Really that people like, yeah, oh yeah, there's

like Fat Joe. I mean yeah. I remember when I first interviewed him. I was so excited because I was like, Yo, Joe, like you the real deal. Fam. People don't know this because they be hearing what's love with a shanty and ship. But like Fat Joe was out here kidnapping DJ's in the nineties, damn and fucking getting motherfucker sliced up bro like other rap like bro like Cuban Cuban Link, the guy who was in Terror Squad who Fat Joe or

who Punk put on. They ended up having a beef and Cuban Link he got his whole face cut up like fat his whole ship got fucked up. Fat Joe ain't the one. Fat Joe is not the one. He had. He beefed out with uh Roy Jones Junior at a club. Ain't got no fear. Yeah, Fat Joe's one of them. Ones Man Noriega to Norriaga shot Prodigy in his ass from My Deep, Norriy shot him. Noriel was one of those guys too. But now you know Norrid because he's yeah,

he's hilarious up Doriega back in the day. Man, Really, there's a mom I'm trying to think who else is like the scariest guys where I'm like, you know, it's funny, Like I definitely think his music is horrible, and the

guy's mastered this internet. Man, he's funny. Oh. I cannot, like, I'll never endorse him as an artist ever because he's like what he stands for is like goes against what I came up with, and like, you know, I've been around a lot of in the street world, a lot of my life with a lot of my people, and I can't but god damn if he has not mastered the age we're in, the trolling and the Internet. Like, bro, this guy gets under people's skin, which is so weird.

It's so weird like that he's under Meek mills skin something crazy and Meek Mill shouldn't even acknowledge him. Yeah, and he's all, man, it's so yeah, it's so weird to watch like when people, like, when people get upset about it, I'm like, y'all said, like you know whatever, Yeah he was like he's yeah, yeah, he dropped that video. I was like this motherfucker's just like like a TV

series that sort of. God, dude, I said this before he got out of jail, Like, I definitely didn't think he was gonna be like this as far I knew people, I knew whatever his first look was was gonna be big. Yeah. But whenever they make his like life movie about this whole trial and like all that, it's gonna be fire. He was putting hits out on people, I was like,

is he untouchable right now? I mean, I think he's got fed security, so I think, like because he's a technically in the witness protection program, but he gets out of it in August. In August. But they just said today that he hired twenty two X cops as a security ass force. So he's got twenty two. Imagine how much money that is. Imagine if you're paying one hundred thousand dollars for each one of those guys a year. And that's on a low end, because those guys know

they're signing up for some bullshit. So you move, you want me to go protect a snitch, you have to pay me two hundred thousand. He's gonna spend at least five to ten million a year on security, which is crazy. He makes that much money Yeah, off pro I don't Yeah, I don't know how the music world like so talk about it like this. He got an advance I think when he was in jail. He signed like a twenty

five million dollar contract or something like that. He did when he was in jail, so they knew did the guy named is Elliott Grange. He is the same guy who uh has Trippy Red under his label. Yeah, so yeah, they already they bagged him out. And now you got to realize, like the thing he fucked himself on was most rappers now make money off of shows because like touring, Yeah, like touring is like probably the biggest source of revenue for artists, Okay, because your music doesn't sell like he

used to. Yeah, but he off the rip, fucked off his He fucked up being able to go on tour because he made enemies in every city. So he if you notice he never went on a six nine tour and he never did Rolling Loud. They wouldn't book him because he was a big liability because my boys do Rolling Loud, Like he never got put on those lineups or he never did Hot ninety seven summer James. Well, that's why he was like come out in surprise. Yeah, they'd have to sneak him in the venue. Yeah. And

so like he never did any festivals. He never got his festival bag. Yeah, he never did a tour. He only would he'd go in and do festivals in Russia. Wow. So like he's gotta be making I mean off of YouTube and his music. Shit, you would hope he's making. I don't know, dude, because it doesn't make like like I can't even make it make sense because even if he took that twenty five million, he's got to recoup that. Yeah, So I don't know if he I don't know, but

yeah I think I don't know, dude. I think the music is asked Cheeks to be honest. His music, Yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean yeah, like there's worse music. For the record, there's worse music. There's worse that's like, yeah, it's not something I take serious, but it is like it's not great. It's like I mean, like it's cute, like it's like TikTok music. Yeah, you're just like, oh okay,

it's just like something catching for the moment. What do you think of like comedians who like are popping on social media, but not necessarily stand up comedians stay in their lane because there's like guys like what like Haha Davis. I actually don't know those guys. Oh I don't. I don't know, but you know what I'm talking about. There's guys. Yeah, I don't King Bach he did more of a YouTuber. But so those those guys, I've never I've never seen their stand ups. I can't. I don't think they do

stand up. I hope not. I mean, I don't know. Let me tell let me tell you something. I tell you this. Do you like like frown frown on those guys media you get in front of get on fucking stage. No, not at all, because like a rappers that you can freestyle, you know. No, I think it's I mean, they found they found it through that, you know. I don't think it's I don't think it's wrong. I don't think it's incorrect,

you know, like because you gotta think. You know, there's a lot of people that you know, kind of want like they want their dreams to like to have their own TV show or be a movie. But you know, somehow they found this way through the online world that they don't need a producer, these these people or anything like that, so they just make these clips, they make these things, you know, which is just entertaining, you know. Yeah, I mean I'm entertained by I mean a lot of

the Instagram guys are so funny to me. But yeah, I just always wonder, like because they're technically comedians, because they make people aught for a living, but they're not comedian comedians. Yeah, like they're not stand up. Yeah, I feel like stand up. Here's the thing about stand up. Stand up is one of the hardest things to do because you literally the only way you can know how to do it or doing it is by doing it.

You can't practice. There's no practicing with it. You you the only way to do stand up is to do it is to do it in front of an audience. Yeah, you gotta up in front of everybody. You gotta and that you have you have to accept that and that, like the thing is is like Instagram or you know, yeah I'm not and that I'm not bragging all this. What I'm saying that like you can edit, like you

can do these things to it to make it. You know, this funny thing you got noice like it's right there, like it's like right in your face, you know, like you're getting the judgment right there. You know. That's like someone painting a picture and they have someone on there like behind them just like ooh ah, or like yeah that's tight, you know what I mean, Like that's what it's like. You know. I got an approach to do any specials because Netflix is doing a lot of comedy specials. No,

not yet. I wouldn't do one right now. You gotta wait it out. I wade that. Get your wait up a little. Yeah, I'd rather people know who I am, like I wanted to do well, Yeah, I don't want people like I don't want to drop well, No, there's fucking something Netflix specials that will pop up on who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, there's something that will like you know, I'll be like really confused, like I would not heard of this guy I'd like to think of.

That's that's just not the move I would want to make. Yeah, it's I mean, yeah, it sucks because like like Bill bur didn't do a special till he was like I think almost I think he said almost fifteen or twenty years ago. Bill Burr is one of my favorite comedians. Man, Yeah, salute to Bill Burr. Man shout out to break in bad man, bail fucking bear. You know it's funny. My wife I try to watch her watch the stand up and she always says, because my wife's Maxican, she always

says awesome white people shit that she ain't funny. But guess what she loves f's for family, Oh she does. And so she's like two seasons in and I'm like, hey, you know that comedian that you hate that I try to watch with you, Bill Burr. He's like yeah. I was like, you want to watch him tonight? She's like I was like, let's watch. Let's watch like his last one. Like come on, No, he's not fucking funny. Are you

sure he's not funny? Are you sure? I'm sure? Well you're fucking He fucking is the creator of the show you love and he's the voice of the main And then I was like, listen to the dad on that show speak yeah, oh yeah, it's the same guy. That's like, ah, fuck, it is him, you know what. I was like, he's funny.

You know what's so funny about Bill Burr? He got his strength and every and every A lot of comics say this, you gotta do black rooms because black rooms will give you the most authentic reaction out of any other room and there, and they're just gonna be completely honest if you suck, and if you're good, like if you suck, like I said, they let you know on sight, but like if you're good, they're gonna fuck. They're gonna

rock with you. And it's like, and I think that's like the best Bill brid got into that, like where he was oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's like he's hilarious. Man, that's like like where he like got like I mean, yeah, it is a strange thing because yeah, like you know what's funny is like I never thought Crystal leia stand up is that funny. I can see that. I mean it's like and I like his podcast, like just him

watching him talk about ship. I could runt of his laptop, but I never thought his stand up was that funny. And I kind of computed that to like, this is just some white comedy. Like I could understand my wife watching Crystillia and being like this isn't funny. Yeah yeah, but I know, like I could paint you a picture of the motherfucker, it'd be Justin Bieber honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his favorite stand up. It makes sense. Yeah it's

not for me. Yeah, but yeah, I mean and like I said, I enjoy his I mean, do you think I can cancel the I enjoy his podcast. It's over now. I don't know, but yeah, no, it's I don't fucking know. I mean whatever, but yeah, no, it's it's funny because like, like you said, like I think there are certain people who are so funny it doesn't matter who they're in front of. Bill Burr's universal, and he's that guy. He's

that guy. He is universal bro hystericals like if you could make a hood ass crowd laugh bruh, and then you can make a bunch of Trumper's laugh. Yeah you're a goat. Yeah, which is crazy. Anyway, Look we're wrapping up the podcast. What is your social media? Oh? I just do Instagram at Chappelle Lacy, not Twitter. I have it, but I don't like Yeah, and then your your podcast, Yeah, my podcast it's managed, which is where I talk about all my ship, oh my craziness that goes up in

my head. So I don't are you gonna are you are you gonna start doing any guests or anything. No, it's Brendan helped me. Yeah, Brendan helped me come up with the concept because I was like, I don't know if I want to do a podcast. He was like, he goes, why don't you just talk out your journal? He goes, you journal every day? Why don't you just talk about that ship in there? And I was like,

oh yeah. And then ever since I started doing I get like this response from people like that I didn't even think because I don't have like I'm not pushing no agenda, I'm not doing anything like I'm just talking ship.

But people just yeah and they say how much like it's opened their eyes to things and like helped them like change their lives and like that crazy all that ship and it's just me talking about like all my internal pain that i've like you know, deal with or have dealt with, you know, and just but like I don't make it like just this somber, like you know kind of thing. It's like I make it like like I talk about it in a fun way because yeah,

you know, I ain't sad, but you're also a comedian. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then what you don't know when when you guys are gonna be doing more King and stings in person, I'm assuming. Yeah he's good now, he's good now. Yeah. Yeah, we recorded the other day. Those get released every Thursday, Thursday night at nine nine. Uh whatever the what is this specific specific yeah, specific time whatever. So check you out. You're on the King's Team podcast. Yeah, it's managed Chappelle Lacy. Yeah,

this was great. Not Chappelle Harris. I know that's so funny, man, you Chapel. I just haven't I literally haven't heard anyone say that lips. Yeah, check those out to ride into your girl's d MS. No, you have a girlfriend, I kidding. Yeah I know