#45 - Snow Tha Product

It was crazy. So shout out to Snow the Product. Who's somebody who I've been a big fan of for a very long time. I've respected the way she's built up her fan base, the way she's grinded as a Latina Latina female in this hip hop game with no major co signs, just doing a fucking thing. So we got to speak with Snow. Great conversation on the way, looking forward to everyone hearing it. We got a shout out to our sponsors, as we do every day, man, because we love odd socks. Uh man, you know I

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twenty percent off. Yo. Let's get into this episode, though, Snow the product live. This shit is pre recorded, it's not live. So let's just fucking go, yo, Bootleg Head podcast. We have got the very very legendary, very very talented. Oh geez, Snow, Snow, the product is here. Legend gentlemen, thank you, thank you so much. Welcome to the podcast. You've been killing shit during the quarantine. I was talking to you. I was like, man, your podcast is going crazy.

You're independent much as yours. No, I'm trying to learn from you. And yes, you've seen me. You've it's been a long journey between us. Huh yeah. I think the first time we ever met was at south By Southwest and you had a bit of a grudge against me. Because the interview. The interview never came out. Yeah, an interview never came out. I don't know what happened. I was drunk at south By interviewing people. I think it

was twenty thirteen. Yeah, and and yeah, I know that I was just salty because that happened to me with a few different people. It's way even, I told you, And I was just like, yo, I feel like everybody just doesn't want a Mexican girl to fucking say her shit. But no, I understand as someone who's married to a Mexican woman and who has had a child with another Mexican woman. Okay, I love Mexican women. You just don't want to hear us talk. All I do is I'm

just kidding. I'm just kidding, Na. But obviously, you know you've had a long journey, and you know now that you're independent, you got no management. You had a stint with like Atlantic Records that was probably less than fulfilling. Yeah. Yeah, what made you like just decide to just go all in on just fully independence and getting rid of management all that? Because even people are independent usually have management. Yeah,

I I feel like, huh, where do I start. I'm a very accountable person, like if I fuck up, like I'll tell you and like I'll you know what I mean. Like I just was raised like that. My dad was a very macho like Mexican man that was just like you know, my word is my bond and all the shit. So like he really was like you're and I was a tomboy, so like he really was like you're gonna be like that, Like I don't care that you're a girl. You better you know always, so I always have been accountable.

So whenever I realized that this industry has a lot of people that are not accountable or like, you know, whenever mistakes happen, if people just own up to him, that's cool. But whenever it starts being finger pointing and whatever, when you got too many chefs in the kitchen, what happens is there's way more people to point the fingers.

So now you start kind of getting fucked up. And I think Dave Chappelle said this in an interview, like if you feeling like people want you to fucking go crazy, like you'd be like yo, like are y'all doing this on purpose? Like I can't tell what's going on? So I needed to distance myself from everything and everyone and be like, okay, like let me reset and make sure I'm not tripping because I have fans, I do, go on tour. I work my fucking ass off. I get up at seven in the morning, I go to sleep

at you know, midnight. I'm recording, or I'm vlogging, or I'm shooting videos, or I'm editing or I'm I'm doing all these things. I'm like, no way you could tell me it's all on me, you know what I mean. But I feel like people would make me feel like it was all on me. So I was like, all right, bet, like let's just do it and if I take my l then I'll take my l proudly and if I win, then I'll win. And lucky for me, I just valued

being happy and I'm very happy right now. So how long ago did that like officially like come into like like how long did you get out of the Atlantic situation and become fully like Indie from everything. It's gonna be two years, I think, like a year and a half or something like that. I think I'm very bad

with time. But like, so what if you noticed, like did you notice that it wasn't like you weren't crazy, especially yeah and well, and then it took it took a while to fire my earth like to get separate ways with my management. I had done it before with another manager that it just kind of wasn't working. I just felt like, you know, in this industry, as an artist, I understand the artists that want to be industry plants so bad. I've seen people that are just like they

want everything for them. They want it. They're just like, you know, please like pull the all these favors, and I want to feature, and I wanna, you know, go there and and and you know, suck that guy's dig and then this guy's dig, and then we're gonna fucking collab and and I'm gonna take all your fan base. And It's like I've never been that type, right, So I'm like, I don't see why I need to do it that way. If I'm the type like I'll earn my fan base one at a time, like I'll drop

my own videos. I'm not gonna be begging people for features like let's just you know. So to me, the biggest thing I feel like I noticed was just peace of mind, was just realizing that if you're an artist you're you're a small business, So why don't you just

scale that shit? You know what I mean? Like, rather than having a thousand fans, have two thousand and now three thousand and now four thousand, and the same way that if you own a fucking tire shop or a donut shop, like you're gonna do marketing, You're gonna fucking you know, get up and work every day. Like it's the same fucking shit. I just I don't see why. I don't see why I should be treated any different.

And when I when I treated it like that and I started actually seeing money, I was like, Yo, if I could feed my family and I can employ my family, and I could make sure that I spend time with my kid and my girl and my friends and my family, like the fuck that is the dream, you know? Like what am I really reaching for? Like I want to be on Rolling Stone? Like I don't give a fuck. Yes, I always tell people, I'm like, hey, like, you know,

you could fuck buying followers. You would rather have a thousand people following you that are actually that will give you money, that will support whatever you're doing, then having like one hundred thousand of this motherfuckers who are following you for the wrong reasons. Yeah, oh yeah, and I've seen that too, Like I'll be seeing people stunting with their numbers and it's like brother fake, Like we all

see it, like it's fake, even if they're fake. It's like, how can you have a million followers but you put out an album and it sells like four thousand copies? Like what's the point then? Or even as simple as like you have all these followers, you have like one hundred thousand followers, but you get like this many likes or whatever it is like or they're all like fucking Russian bots. Is like ugh, like it's the worst waste

of money. I always tell people like, if you're gonna spend money on followers, spend money on like shit that like actually translate to real people fucking with you, even if it's ten of them, like you know what I'm saying, Like or even that, like the type of fan base you get by having inflated numbers, Like let's say let's say somebody goes and sees your page and goes, hm, he has a lot of followers. Let me like, let me follow up, Like those are like fly by Night followers.

Those aren't really the ones that are gonna like love you for you and be with you for the struggle, and you know what I mean. Like so to me, I don't know. I think just maturity kind of has made me realize, like I want to fucking be happy. Like I you know, I had a kid that I would have to leave for two month tours and not see him, you know, And it's like as a mom, you know, like I was fucking crying in my hotel room, Like all I wanted to do was like be with him.

So it's like, why would I put myself through all that ten He's ten, now, Yeah, why would I put myself through all that shit and not be able to spend the time I want with him? So it's like I just value life, you know what I mean. We're all gonna fucking die at some point, might as well, yeah, account you know, when it comes to I feel like there's no shortcut to getting the type of filowing you have because you have fans who like are fully engaged in your life and they're fully invested in you as

like a person. So if you drop a T shirt or you put out a new record or whatever, like they're there you go on tour like a lot of people who have way more followers than you can't tour like you, Yeah, why give a fuck? You know what I mean. I think that's the biggest thing is like I actually care about these human beings. Like there's been times when I can put up the ticket price or I can you know, I've had these conversations with like industry people like well, why don't you just do this

or charge more for this or whatever? And I'm like, bro, you gotta know what type of fans I have. Like I have fans that you know, single moms or kids you know that come from parents you know their parents are immigrants or whatever. Like you can't just be like, oh, bet, pay one hundred and fifty now for my ticket just because I want to want to. Yeah, Like, no, that's

not that's fucking scummy. And I think that's one thing that goes along way for people, you know, And and there's both type of artists you could be that you can be all about the cloud and you can be popping, and that's cool if that's what you want with your life, not knocking you at all. Me personally, I don't feel good about that. And I can't live a life where I just like feel shitty about myself. Well, also, you like physically see your fans, like you're like, like you

gotta see these people on tour. Yeah, I'm on stage and I'm like staring at them, and I'm like, damn, I feel bad. Like no, like, but there is scummy people in this industry. That's why there's motherfuckers that gotta be high. They gotta stay high. Like you done did so much scummy shit in your life. You gotta stay high and fucking be able to live with yourself. And it's like, goddamn, yeah, it's crazy. I'm not talking about weed, by the way. I'm just talking about people that just

got other shit. Yeh See, people just go I'm fucked off. You're like, damn, bro, Like just I think I think we had. I would say this, like the dark age of music that I've ever been involved in was like two thousand and late twenty sixteen to like twenty eighteen was probably the worst I've ever seen hip hop in terms of what the industry would support, right, It'd be like like literal people getting major record deals based on antics on Instagram, not based on anything else, just based

on numbers and bullshit. Yeah, and like I think we've started to kind of get like turn a corner on that era. Yeah, because it was like, you know, the little pumps and the six nines and yeah, and then there was you know, just Instagram pranksters getting record deals, which is like with me feeling bad for that, I don't know. I'm very momish, you know. So it's like I felt bad because those people got to live with

those with with those like what comes with that? You feel like a lot of there was a lot of a lot of major label people or you know, industry people that are just like, all right, bet I'm gonna take this kid and they're gonna have a baby. Was like a perfect example. I was like, how did this bitch get a record deal? I feel like here's the thing though, And I might disagree with you on that only because I feel like bad baby actually worked hard

at rapping. Like I feel like she you really put all right, but she initially I feel like she initially got her deal. I'm not I don't she had some ship that wasn't terrible. The delivery matters because there's a lot of rappers that are getting written Cardi B's delivery is crazy. You're trying to get a headline out of no no no no no no no. You don't want to say nothing. I'm being honest, Like Cardi B don't do me one of my cardib is one of my

favorite artists. I love Cardi B. There's like she really can't do no wrong in my book. But like you said, like I don't give a fuck if someone writes for her,

I don't carer sh it is fire. I just think the Bad Baby deal initially happened, and I'm not even mad at some of this ship she ended up putting out, but she got signed based on just her being a meme and then she you know, she committed to actually you know, the craft are trying to like you know what I mean, Like, I'm not even mad at Bad Baby as much as I'm mad at some other people, but like she got signed initially because she was a meme.

Now she ran with that and she actually took it serious and she still is trying to take a serious So you know, I'm not trying to throw the shade air.

But that was like an example of like she got signed because of some ig shit, but I hit her up when when when she got signed and I was like, yo, on some real shit because I was at Atlantic at the time, and I was like, on some real shit, like good shit, you know, because I remember how much people were shitting on her on the internet, and I was like, bro, as a fifteen year old girl to get I don't think I could have emotionally handled some of the shit that this girl handled, feel me, So

you got to give some kids some props of like, god damn, you sat there and took that and turned it into something and you got an opportunity you took

run with it, you know what I mean. And I think I think that's what because my girl was saying something about there's this TikToker that you know, had a hard life or whatever, and then she just killed herself, and I'm just like, you know, it's like you got to understand that these kids end up having to deal with all this shit and all this hay, like they're not growing up how like we did, you know, back in like with MySpace or whatever. It's like it wasn't

as bad as now nowadays. Motherfucker's like on Twitter or you know, Instagram, like you really can get fun you see those comments and you start comparing yourself to whatever you see. Yeah, I can't even imagine. Like, you know, I got a niece who is just on her phone NonStop. I could see it with my own eyes. That'd be fucking with her, Like, yeah, what what's popping on Instagram?

What is considered pretty on Instagram? Yeah? And then comments like these motherfuckers are like, we've never had to deal with that as kids. Yeah, And I don't know, I think you and I might be close in age. I'm thirty three. Yeah. I think the most I ever dealt with was like like MySpace, and that was when I was like eighteen. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of them things where you know, society, you know what I mean.

And it's like now it's getting to a point where like whether you're traveling, politics, hip hop, sports, fucking business in general, like you know, Fortune five hundred companies, like there's a real responsibility of being a good human being because we are on the same fucking moving rock and

we're about to fuck this bitch up. Also like also going down because you're fucking idiot ass made some stupid ass decisions, and also like be a good person because now there's a record of you being a piece of shit on the Internet forever. Okay, So I don't like

cancel culture as like that much. But also I don't like the cancel cancel culture people that are like, you shouldn't have repercussions for what you've said you should there should be something that you have to deal with for being a shitty person, Like there should be a record there of like mad races before. Like I certainly think that, you know, the cancel like, there's like a with anything, right, there's like a middle ground where it's like I'm kind

of on the same wavelength as you. I'm like, Yo, there's people that literally deserve to get canceled, and then there's other shit that's like what are we doing here? Yeah, like come on, guys, yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's like, I guess it's just kind of is you know. It's the same thing with like the me too shit.

It's like there's situations for like, yeah, this shit is great, and then there's other situations where there's people getting called out with no proof and then their life is ruined. So it's like there's got to be a balance, And I think with the cancel culture. Shit, that's like a you know, yeah, there's people getting canceled, and I'm like, bro, it's a stretch. Yeah. I feel like there's people that just sit on Twitter all day just waiting to fucking

just hop on someone. Yeah, I've even gotten there, like and you know me, for a long time, I've been this Mexican wave waving the flag my people, you know, and then I'll get sometimes like Chikana's coming at me like blah blah, like over semantics, you know, like something fucking small, and then it's just like could never be me.

I'm like, bitch, it could never be you. This has been on a decade of me doing what you now see as like a hot point or like a fucking and now you want to say something and you want to come at me like, no, bitch, there's a fucking record that bitch has been doing this for a long time.

And I just feel like there is this weird sense of entitlement with people that are just like like they could do it better, but unless you're actually doing it, like you gotta leave room for error for people just imagine like wanting to like like come off like you're doing right, but you're putting the effort that you could be putting into whatever that is, into pointing out someone else. Like you said, semantics. Really a lot of this cancer culture shit is like semantics. It's like what are we

really tripping over? Like yeah, twelve year old tweets, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like like again or like or like a little like one degree of like being like you know, one little fact was wrong as opposed to like the big rusher of like brouh, Like I'm a fucking human being, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm allowed to yah misspeak or yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. But at the same time, isn't it so crazy that

it's kind of funny? Like don't you sometimes sit back, Like sometimes I all look at the internet like, bro, this is so dumb. Like I've literally been in some conversations, mind you important ones when like a room and I'll literally be sitting there and I'll be like, I'm not even gonna argue with this person who thinks they're on their soapbox right now, because I'm like, what am I gonna get out of this? Like we're gonna fucking argue, just gonna get worked up, you're dumb, and that's it.

And I think that's I think the first couple of years of Trump being president, I was like super like stressed and engaged with people on the internet, even like some of my own cousins. And then the last couple of years, I'm just like, you know what, like I can't give my own personal like peace to this shit. Don't wry, yeah, because it's like what, like like the people who are over here, there's just nothing you could say to them, yeah, to make them feel any sort

of difference. So what do you what are you arguing for? Like, yeah, you know, like if fuck, if your mood or exactly, or it's like like like sometimes if they look turn aroundable because sometimes my girl will get on me too, like she'll be like, why are you arguing or whatever? And I'm like, Okay, if there's something that's being said, that's like, let me correct that and maybe you get it. But if there's just some straight up like like fucking,

I guess right a field. I was gonna say left a field, but I guess right a field, I'm just like whatever, dude, like you're not you know. But there has been a lot of times when even someone hating on me or something like if I tell them, well,

actually that's not what it was. It was this. There's people that will literally be like, oh wow, thank you for well, you know what's crazy is most of the time, and you have haters on the internet because I've had this on a much smaller scale than you could ever because you're way bigger than me. But like, someone will slide on my dms not thinking I'll ever reply, talking

some shit about something. Yeah, like maybe I'm misspoken to interview whatever it is, and then if I reply, they're like, oh, man, you know what, you're coolest shit? Man, my bad bro, I was tripping like that. Shit happens all the time. I'd be crazy. Yeah, no, I'm saying more like whenever people are like, oh, like, oh this fucking white bitch rapping she don't know shit, and I'm like, well, I'm not white, I'm Mexican, you know, And then they'll be like, oh, well,

what's the difference. I'm like, well, you know, like a lot, a lot, like a lot, but you know, but not if we're all human race, you know, what, which way do you want to talk about this? You know, you want to talk about human race and on a big fucking rock, or you want to talk about you know, how I grew up or environment or class or what what way do you want to take this? Mostly I argue back with people whenever I'm on the toilet. If I'm not, you're not getting it's a great place, for sure.

Yeah I got time, Like I literally have time. I literally have time right now. I'm like, you know, could have had more fiber. I'm gonna sit here for a little bit. Let's talk about it. Oh that's great, So talk to me about your experience. Because so for people who don't know, because I think a lot of people probably assumed you were independent this whole time because you moved around like an independent artist, but you were on

Atlantic for how many years? Saved my life forever. But the thing is, and this is the thing with a lot of people, because I had somebody argue with me recently, like, oh, you were on a label, so you can't talk. And it's like, actually being shelved on a label is worse than being independent. I promise you never did shit for you. Yeah, So I'm like, being shelved on a label is actually way worse than doing it on your own because I

couldn't drop music, you know what I mean. Like I couldn't upload to like something with it's ten dollars to upload on tune Core. I couldn't even do that. So now I'm dealing with I could be in reach of contract, I could do it, like all these different things going on, and I'm uploading to YouTube because it's safe. But you know, but then so I'm being seen as an artist but not really being able to drop music. So you cannot

you really can't monetize what you like. You know, it was bad, bro, I didn't have There was times when I was broke as fuck, and like literally I just I let the world not know that because I was just like, yo, that'll be the end of my career if I literally let people know how bad I'm fucking doing. But at the same time, I had my my you know, my marriage or whatever to pay bills or whatever. I never had. I wasn't I never did no questionable shit because like I'm a hard worker, bro, I fucking work

at the grocery store. If I need to, like, I don't give a fuck, you know, So to me, I moved how I needed a move, and I gave Atlantic their their due respect for giving me an opportunity. Like I've said before, I don't I don't say that they fucking ruined my life or anything. I think part of

it was like I shouldn't known when to leave. I shouldn't have given it the time I did, you know, Like same thing with friends sometimes, like or a relationship, like you knew when it was time to go, and you stuck around with the hopes of shit getting better, you know, or like you were like damn, like you know. One time, I remember I was gonna when I wrote this song called I Don't Want to Leave. I was

crying when I wrote that. I literally was like about to leave Atlantic, and I literally named the song I Don't Want to Leave because I was like I signed to this thinking that I was going to represent for my culture and for my family, and I was going to be put on this platform where I fucking no, not even a pedestal for me, a platform for me to be able to speak on something that hasn't been

on a large scale nowadays. Nowadays you see a lot more Mexican rappers waving the flag and shit, but back then, there was none. Trust me, like I always tell everybody like, I think you kind of broke the mold of where like how we look at Mexican embassies because back then it was we just automatically went to like thinking of like Little Rob and those guys, and there was some guys that were like obviously you know, super dope, like

cycle around like Cyper Salo shit like that. But like, I feel like in your era, like you were the first person to come along. Even the record you do to MC Magic and Twist, you were like snapping, yeah, I remember because that's the first time I ever heard you, and I remember hitting Magic like who's this girl on this song? We could really rap? Yeah, And we have done that track like a two before, but it didn't drop till I started kind of picking myself up, you

know what I mean. So I think because I've seen somebody recently be like you know that she kind of rap, you know, get open the door for me or whatever, and I'm like, look, all respected Chicino rap and I

and I feel that. But at the same time, we're talking about hip hop and being Mexican, and it's like there is sonically musically a difference, you know what I mean, And it's like it's not because I think any less of it because it's dope, Like I'll get on a feature or something, but I just come from hip hop,

you know what I mean. Like it's it's kind of like if there's like SoundCloud rapp right now or some sort of like type of music and I'm like, yo, like you know, I did, like no, like we gotta know the difference between sonically like or genres or whatever the fuck you know. But with me, with that that whole waving the flag shit, I feel like I was doing it out of the need because I didn't see it. It wasn't because I was like I'm gonna be the one. It was just kind of like, yo, I don't see

it being done. So let me. I think you're like, you're the first artist in a long time that was dope that happened to be Mexican as opposed to seeing a Mexican artist as ay like he like like when you think of Little Rob, and I fuck with Robs, you know what I'm saying. And he's got some fucking classics,

you know what I'm saying. But when I think a Little Rob, I think of like, yeah, he's Mexican and oh, and any you think of it like you're like a dope rapper first and then it's like, oh shit, she's Mexican. I didn't eve. I wouldn't have known, you know what I'm saying. I think. I think it's just like I said, sonically and the the Ship, how you grew up, you know.

I grew up listening to like E forty and mac dre and Too Short and Baby and pun and like you know, Lauren Hill and the Outcast, and it's like that's it's just a different and it's like no offense, you know what I mean, Like I don't, it's just different the same feel me. Yeah, and and for example, and I had to take the hits for that because at the same time, I would go to a car show and perform and the fucking all the trolls in the crowd would look at me like the this bitch

doing this girl straight up? You know, or like you know, I've I've had to be in those rooms where you know, there's somebody checking me and being like, oh you're you know what I mean, like you what you chasing other races for? Like, we have to deal with our colorism and our issues in our fucking culture, you know, with with with crossing those those lines and shit, And I've had to teach my family my friends, like, yo, this

is how you talk. This is why that's wrong. You need to I stopped talking to most of my fucking family for the same reason for being homophobic, for being halfway racist, for being colorists. Like when you go through all those things and you've tooken the hits for all those things. When I speak about the experience that I've had, I also hope that people respect where I'm coming from.

When I'm like kind of rap didn't necessarily open the door for me because I had to kind of open another door for myself, you know what I mean, Like it just is what it is. I had to open that hip hop door for myself. I feel like when what what do you think was the first moment where like people started to like respect you as an MC, like on a big on a big scale. Because I remember, like when you were on text album, like that was

a big deal. Like I remember like a few moments where it was like, oh shits, and I was like doing her thing like yeah, like can you remember like what that moment like one of that one of those first moments were where you started to be respected in the hip hop community as opposed to like you said, I think when I did the BT cipher, Yeah, I think a lot of people kind of like were like, oh, you know. And and I was in that room, like in that big auditorium where they did the BT cipher.

I could tell you the reactions to every other cipher were edited in. There was no reaction to ciphers until I made that fucking line that that Jocelyn her Nada's line, you know. And that's when people were like, oh shit, probably mostly because because she was down the she was so she was like five people away from me, and thats a big girl. I was like, holy shit, I'm about to get my ass b over this fucking line

I just said. But I stand by my shit. I was like, I better be able to run with these heels. I didn't. That was one of the first times I wore heels. I was like, bitch, I'm bother, get my husband. But nah, she was cool. And that whole thing was just a moment. You know. I've always used any moment I got in a big platform to speak up on what I see and what I think and it's true. It still stands true today. You know, people want to talk about narcos and coppos and my plug is Mexican

and my plug is this and whatever. But at the end of the day, it's like, are you gonna give those props actually to like people like or are you just gonna use the low writers and the trollos for the music video? But like the next time that you're homie or somebody's rapping that's Mexican, you're gonna act like they're less. Then I feel like what was about a year and a half ago, Nico, when there was everybody was making the same fake ass Mexican song. It was

like Ygi Go Loco and the Unodos three Squatto. It was like everybody was making that song over and over again and like having like some breros on in the videos and shit, and like when you look up Mexican rapper Ygi pops up, I think as like number one.

Like I remember I was showing my mom because I was like, oh, you know, I had never googled Mexican rabber and like I was trying to show her like if I pop up and it was why Gena some Barrol like holy shit, you know, and it's like that's cool or whatever, but also for the feature you get a Puerto Rican, well, it would have been nice to fucking give that opportunity to a Mexican person expressly. Why'd you you know, why'd you had a Mexican sad? Yeah,

and that's and that's cool. But what I'm saying is, like, you know, in those moments, it is important to shine

light at least have them on the remix. You know, it's important to shine light on things because I do think that their needs and from the Mexican community as well, support for you know, because when the BLM thing was happening, I saw a lot of people in my culture talking out of line and being like, you know, saying some crazy shit, and I'm like no, And that's when I do go and start arguing and be like, bruh, you can't be out here representing us like that, because this

is going to start a bigger issue that like my kids got to deal with, you know, growing up. It's like I would like it to be to where when my kid is a teenager, he don't got to deal with some of the same ship that we had to deal with growing up. And like those color lines and like certain things that you will say, and it's like it's a big teaching moment for everybody. And I'm really like, it sucks when you really give a fuck, because you

end up heartbroken most of the time about everything. Like you just be like, oh, you had the perfect chance to say the right thing, is to say the right thing, and then you say, yeah, you know, it's funny because you know, I'm from Phoenix, so a lot of my uh, you know, promoters I work with. Their clubs are Latino and a lot of the clubs I do are like you hate our Pio. Of course he's a piece of shit.

He's still alive. Yeah, he's fucking just re ran and lost, but he actually got part in by Trump, fucking bitch, so he went to jail, then got pardoned and then tried to rerun. The guy's a piece of shit. Arizona just went blue though. I mean that's good, but what the fuck? No, No, the Arizona's such a racist place. Well you remember the SB ten to seventy shit, Like was that eight years ago with the you know a lot of people just kind of banned going on tour

there because of that. Yeah, I'm kicked out of a

couple of clubs in Arizona. Definitely I was popping off, well not clubs, there were venues, but I was popping off on stage, and I think you know there was there was just but there was so much like insensitivity towards that moment, you know, in June when when George Floyd was murdered in like with some of my homies who were Latin DJs or I'm like, yo, guys, like I would like literally DM dudes, Like you know, I got a homie named Luciano who's big on Instagram and

he's big on TikTok and shit, and he was like kind of I didn't appreciate the way he was handling his approach to that online. Yeah cause I'm like, bro, like your entire livelihood and shout out to him because he was like, you know what, Bro, You're right, this is a teachable moment. You know, like your entire livelihood is based on like promoting clubs where black music is played, you know what I'm saying. So like, you know, like

you got to empathize with that. You can't just like when it's convenient, have your feet in it and then and then when you don't like what's going on, you're like, man, that's when, and that's what that that's why it does matter. And I feel like I get real mad when people like that was good. You hit him up. You see something wrong, that's your boy, That's that's exactly. And that's when you prove that somebody is your homie because you are hitting them privately about a manner that you think

will in the long run. You know, maybe they don't understand the only reason I'm speaking on a publiclice because he spoke on a publiclyas exactly. And it's like, and it's very important to do that. But I do feel like a lot of people stay quiet on important issues or like or they do it on blasts, you know, like you screenshot something, oh my god, and you put

it to your platform. It's like you're a bitch, Like you're straight up ho you know what I mean for doing that, because you could really reach out to the person publish, I mean privately and try to like teach them about that moment and be like, hey, maybe you just you know, this was a slip up. But you know, I think right now that's what's most important and yeah, we need to remember what the fuck we do and

and and even just on some world shit. Like I said, like we're all human beings and like you gotta be a real shitty person to see somebody die and be like, but what about what about this? It's like bro like like, oh, human being died, Like you don't but that you feel me Like, but I don't know. I got a kid and I'll be explaining things to him and he'd just be looking at me. Like last night he literally was like, so,

I'm Puerto Rican, Mexican and Dominican. I'm like, yeah, he's like he just sat there and I think it was just hitting him, like you know what I mean. And I guess I was hitting me too, because I'm like, I'm Mexican, I grew up Mexican. My kid has all these cultures, and like I teach him the Mexican side, but I don't know if he's necessarily learning, you know, the other sides, or like if he is with you for the most part. Now he lives with me, yeah, yeah,

he always has. But his dad, his dad's in his life, is a real good dad. But but he's very you know, he's a drum supporter. He's not super like Puerto Rican. He's not gonna teach him how to you know, make blatanos or anything like. So I'm like, that's crazy to think, like our kids are gonna be raised, you know, especially if they're like mixed like or or different ethnicities, like

learning all these things. And that's cool to me because they're not going to have so many of those color lines, especially if they grow up just kind of like all over, they're gonna be like what you know, and so you do have to teach them about what we've gone through, just so that they don't make the same fucking mistakes. Because you know, how is it? How has because I think the pandemic has uh you know, for me, it's

brought me closer to my family. But also, you know, both of my kids are in school and they don't ever they're not ever gone. It's like, I just want to I wish you all motherfuckers would go to school for six hours out of the day, but they're sitting at the kitchen table every fucking day for another computer doing school. It's like shit, yeah, but it's like what's going on? Uh yeah, I mean my kid, he loves

the video games and goes. He does go to his dad's house sometimes, but for the most part he is at my house and I'd be trying to find chores for him to do. We were talking about this earlier about how like with your kids, like we want to spoil them because we weren't spoiled, So you want to give them everything and you want to do everything for them, but you also don't want them to be spoiled little brats.

Yeah you don't appreciate anything. Yeah, and not even just that, but like you know, a spoiled little brad turns into a bitch ass dude when he grows up. And I tell him all the time, i'd be like, you're not gonna be a bitch ass dude when you grow up, Like, I'm gonna let you know right now, you better know how to you know, be polite, change a tire or do some shit, like when you see somebody needs help, help the person, you know, don't be a liar Like I told him, I'm like, I don't whoop your I've

never whooped my kids ass. Then one time when he was like he deserved your little spank on his butt, but I've never in my life whooped my kids ass. But I was like, if I catch you lying or like just being like that type of like, yeah, you know those people that lie and from the inside you could tell they're a bad person. I'm like, bro, we're gonna square up one day when you grow up if I ever catch you, even if I don't like your girlfriend or your wife in the in the future, you

better treat people right, you know. And he'd be just laughing and shit. But I joke with him like that, so I think he's not gonna be a bitch ass dude. Would you and your wife ever? I try to have another baby, Yeah, bring another kid in. Yeah I want a kid, which is why I'm like, you gonna carry it right, because yeah, you can do adoption or you

can like you like like get the insimination and all that. Yeah, there's this there's this like advance level where it's like, technically it wad be my egg and like so I get pregnant, but then they put it into her so then she has a baby, but it's mine. And I'm like, that'd be literal that some pretty gangster technology, and I gotta make some I gotta maybe sound much that sounds very expensive. Yo, we gotta sell some CDs for that, yo. Like I know, like now you could pick the sexier

baby and ship. Yeah, the ship is crazy. Yeah, it's it's cool. I mean science man, That's what I'm saying. Like, you get a bunch of human beings trying to do the right thing. We might do some dope ship, but where over you're fighting each other over some dumb ass shit. We gotta get it together. I was just telling the homie, you know, the biggest story I've seen on Instagram for like last two weeks is the girl who used the

gorilla glue in her hair. Oh my god. And I was just like, I'm so glad that this is the biggest story because politics are boring again. Yeah, exactly, Like like I'll be forgetting we got a new president and I don't even know if the fox go like you know what I mean, Like it's so refreshing to know that, like I don't have to see some crazy Twitter shit from Trump anymore, or like it's like the biggest shit has been this girl fucking a Yeah, Like it's refreshing. Yeah,

I agree, I agree. It's even it's like you know when you have like that when you're when your relationship is kind of traumatic at the beginning and then it just gets kind of calm and you're just sitting there watching TV together and you're just like it sounds like a personal story home. Just like I'm just like sitting there like, damn, it's pretty calm now, like we're not going through all that fucking bullshit. It feels good. Might have to raise the toxic level or in get it interesting.

Help me. So for people who are watching this, like what would be some advice you would give them on how to build a following the way you do? Is it? Because you know I always tell everybody like, yo, make sure if someone hits you on the comments or DMG, they like like engage with them, like you know, they're like the little things that matter to people, you know what I mean? Like, what would be some advice you would give? My advice is look and again, be a

good fucking person. Like, if you're a good person, you're gonna do everything that you're supposed to do to connect with people because you're a good person. If you're just responding thank you because you want them to fucking buy your shit, like you're still not a good person. So that's gonna end up being your own personal hell of having to fucking keep up with all this shit to

try to seem like you're a nice person. If you genuinely care, you're gonna fucking it's gonna be easy to It's easy for me to get a collage or a montage made of me and me be like, oh my god, thank you so much, or respond to it, or give somebody a call if they're in the hospital. It's easy for me because I genuinely yeah. But it's like there is people who like do it to fake the funk and like to try to seem and it's like, you're gonna get tired of that. It's not sustainable if you're

not a good person. So I suggest go to counseling, be a good person, get over your own personal traumas. Figure out why you want to be famous. Do you want to do it because you want to be famous, or because you have something to say, something to represent, a story to tell you genuinely love music, like all these things. You got to figure out why you want this, and if you want this for the right reasons, you're

gonna be happy at every level of it. Because the moment you make a dollar off this shit, You're like, damn, you know, I can't believe I'm making money doing what I love, you know, Whereas if you're just like I want to be famous. Have you ever had a fan go too far? Like a because you have some crazy fans give me So you've had some actual stockers. Yeah, I had, I guess like the worst case of that.

It was pretty scary. I had camera like because I had cameras outside, I have a gate I had to get installed in my house because I had already had a fan show up. Then I had a fan show up, and it's like I gotta wear notes and then three in the morning, you know, and the fan was just saying that like we have a baby together, and like just on some like you know, methy type shit, but he put his full name, so when I googled him,

I found meth charges. So I was just like all right, Like I'm not dealing with someone who's like coherent, So I was a little bit scared. I did have to

be like, you know, what do I do? Yeah? There was like yeah, and like weird ida and then they came back and then they hit me up like on Facebook, and we're like I'm gonna like I'll be back, like you know, I'm still near your house, and that I always wonder that like being like you know, obviously a female who goes on since then, but being like like someone who goes on tours as as a woman, like there's always this stigma as when you're a dude and

you're on tour, there's like groupies. Like as a female who's been on so many tours, is there is there like that same type of energy from the other side of like like like like dudes, who who will be there?

Like and obviously you know you have you're married now, But I just mean in general, like throughout your career, has there been like just like like male groupies, there's there's that, but then there's girls who I feel like it and I think every lesbian can agree with me about the fact that girls sometimes almost take it a little further than they should because because they think they

got the past. Yeah, So I think sometimes like there has been things where it's like you got to remind girls like hey, like you know or even like the whole I get that a lot, like girls being like oh, if you and your girl want you know, you know, and it's like no things, I'm good normal people like yeah. But but also because I don't carry myself that way. But you know, when when I was single, like and I was even having fun out there in the world,

like I don't necessarily go after fans. Maybe it's a personal choice of me. I think it's too easy, Like I don't really you know, it's kind of like predatory a little bit, So I don't I'm not a fan of that. But but definitely I've seen I've seen my fair share of like weird shit, but I CrowdSurf a lot and stuff, and like, I've also never really been violated. The only time that I did was a girl and she got punched in the head. So there was I think it was an Arizona actually might have been Arizona

or New Mexico. It was somewhere around there. But people's lit, who's been the wildest person that you've toured with? Because you've toured with some wild dude like Rich Yeah, Ritch is a maniac. Yeah, I think that. I mean I haven't really toured with many people like as far as like co headlining and stuff like that, or like I haven't open and because with that one. It was me

and Ritz and Jared Ben. That was the only time that and we were all three kind of like level as far very kind of like yeah, and that was the last time that I actually toured like like that, you know what I mean. So I would say Ritz to this day, yea a maniac. He's sober, God bless him, you know what I now. So he needed to get

sober because he's fucking off the chain, wolin. And that's the thing a lot of people, you know, like think, you know that the rock star thing is just like a look and then you know you don't have to deal with the repercussions, Like now we have to deal with that. I had. I had to show that I had to. That's when I realized, like it was right before like I was gonna like publicly come out like as an artist and everything, and I was just going through all these things and I fucking got fucked up.

And that made me realize like, okay, bitch, like come out, be happy, do whatever the fuck you gotta do to never be in this position again, you know. And that's also when I was leaving Atlantic, So it was kind of like four things were stacked up together, and I was like, holy shit, you know, so I just got fucked up. And that made me be like, do whatever makes you feel happy, because the misery you're feeling in your fucking head is like fuck, you know, that's them

life changing decisions. Though you've been you play me some stuff, you got some dope music on the way. What is like you could really do whatever you want at this point. You have your podcast that's going on, that's that you do on YouTube live. It's like a stream. You do it do you do it twice a week? I do it twice a week Tuesdays and Thursdays. And then I, you know, I vlog and I drop like songs like once a month or whatever. Maybe I think I'm gonna

start dropping songs a little more often than that. But it's like doing an album. Even interest like interests you anymore? Is it just like you're more just doing the single thing it does. The only reason that interests me is because when you search me on like DSPs, you really can't find anything. You know, It's like you can find like some old shit, and I would like there to

be some sort of body of work. Yeah, because I feel like the albums pop up first, yeah, so so for that, But as far as like just going the traditional route, it doesn't seem that interesting because it's like what's gotten me to where I am is going non traditional, So why would I like conform to that? You know? But I don't know. I gotta genuinely admit that I am torn, Like do I want to do that? Do

I not? Maybe if I partnered it off with like the right people or brand to like just do that and still be able to do my thing, because I'll tell you, like, I don't ever plan on stopping the way I do things right now, Like I like this it's working. Yeah, it's crazy too, because I feel like you get like becoming independent when you do. It's like perfect timing because like not only I feel like we're

in the greatest era of female MC's ever. As far as just like you know, back in the day, it would be like there was only room for like one or two like dope female rappers and it was hard. Like now there's like I can't even name but I wouldn't say ever only because if you go back to the Miss fox a brownd But but but but even then, like we could name five or six. Yeah, now it's like a mail had a couple of records in there with Z. But yeah, it was crazy. No, Yeah, I

agree with you. It's like now it's like it's like almost like I've just never seen like even as a kid, like you said, like, yeah, the Brad was crazy, functified and Little Kim was was that bitch and Lauren Hill and the Foujis. But now it's just like there's just so much energy and I feel like we've never at least I've never witnessed as far as just like the totality of like the industry respecting female artists, because it used to be like, yeah, you're dope, but you're like

dope for a girl. Who are you telling I was in that you had to take all those punches. I had to take those punches, bro, Like when I was when I was starting to rap, I literally got told by one of my peers like, let's be honest, you know, are you really because we were all selling CDs like I would sell CDs on the street, you feel me,

like fucking hard sales. And we all finished and see these out on the street or whatever, and then we went and sat down and were eating and he's like, you know, telling me about why you know he'll be the one to pop off out of all of us, because let's be honest, no females are really ever gonna

pop off like that. And I just sat there and I and now you know that my career has gone for But I did have to remind him of, like, bro, honestly, that affected me, like that fucked with my head for years because I was just like, like do I give up on this ship? Like there is only one spot, Like you know, why would a Mexican girl be the one to fucking do this? You know, like it doesn't matter that you're dope, Like people will probably not care, you know. And I'm glad I kept going. But I'm

so happy for where music is right now. You know. I'm happy that independent artists can drop music however the fuck they want. That there is more respect for fast rappers because even that as well. For a long time, if you rap fast, and you'll never have a hit record, you know. And now it's like you hear Jack Carlow, you hear anybody who's rapping a little bit faster, and you're like, okay, bet like there is that or now there's female rappers, and now there's more Mexicans and Latino

is one of the biggest fucking genres. Like all these things are a culmination or like LGBT community is now so much more accepted and like people are literally looking for LGBT representation. So to me, it's like, it's crazy that all these things that for years held me back and that are so authentically me are now accepted. You can only imagine how happy I am that this is the case, because this is what I wanted, you know what I mean. Other than that, I'm like, I'm good,

I'm not starving, I'm living pretty good. Yeah, Like it's crazy because it lined up perfectly because you could do what you want now you could like fully take advantage of that now without worry, not even that as much as like, for example, the Mexican thing, like I said,

I did it out of the necessity. If there's no necessity anymore than bet like I'm good you I could just do I literally have no pressure to do that because before when I would be like Mexican, Mexican, Mexican, and then the song that I wouldn't people be like, why isn't she repping or why isn't she doing this? And I'd be like, what the fuck? I literally did

that shit this whole time. So now I'm kind of like cool, I could ease up on all these fucking things that I'm so angry that I want to represent and be like, I just want to be happy. I just want to live. I want to make an R and B song if I fucking want, and whether I can sing it or not, bitch, I'm gonna have a blast doing it, you know. And that's it. I feel good about it. That's dope. Well do you have anything? You just dropped? The record shut up? Yeah? And videos

out right? The videos out yeah, shut up? And I got a bunch of different records. I showed you some of the shit. I definitely. I'm just having fun being able to do whatever I want, dropping merch, dropping mad merch, vlogging with my girlfriend and my family, making music videos, editing like I like, I'm doing what I love and having a fun. Okay, so is your girlfriend your girlfriend or your wife? Because you got a big ass on

your face, this is an engagement r Okay. Okay, I'm not just saying to ask because I think that's that thing. Don't look like an engagement ring. She's not fiance, but I guess yeah, this is that's a fucking major rock right there. That's yeah man. She I mean she makes a check off tour, so everybody does around me, so when they they what they want to do with it.

If she decided to give me a ring, Hey, man, have you are you like getting antsied like not touring because I feel like you're always kind of doing shows right so, like there hasn't been any touring for the past year. I'm not gonna lie. Like if you asked me three years ago, like yo, if there was ever a time when you couldn't tour at all, what would you do? I'd literally tell you I was going to start to death, Like I'd literally think, what's my life

going to be without that? I think I needed this to realize I'm not like you good like you could take a fuck a break like chili fuck also kind of like makes you kind of figure out some other shit to do. Yeah, well, I had announced end of twenty nineteen that twenty twenty I wasn't gonna tour, like I literally had. My last post of twenty nineteen or one of my last posts was me saying, you know, I've consistently toured for all these years. I do think I need a you know, like a break, take a

little break and relax for a second. Because it was always my mind was always on, Okay, I'm home for five months, I'm going back on the road. I got these many months to do all this shit and then bam on back on the road. So I was always like that I wanted to buy a ranch. That was always my dream. I wanted to fucking fix it up and do all these things. So this was a it

was a godsend to me personally. I mean, obviously it's not it's not a good situation for the world, but I just felt like, at least I've been able to be home, I've been able to work on the ranch, and I'm I'll be ready when well. You kind of noticed the artists that like are like, there's artists that need to be able to hit the road or do the club shows and and don't really have anything else because their fans maybe not be like, you know, like

the fact that you like Pivoted and did Yo. I'm gonna do a podcast where you can subscribe on YouTube, and I'm just gonna drop music and like, not everybody can do that. Not everyone's built like that. I guess not everybody you ever can. You've interviewed people with oh yeah, you're here. You know, there's motherfuckers that gotta have people telling them what to say, what to do, don't do this,

don't look like that. Why because there's people that literally are getting coach because deep down inside, bruh, you are. You got the personality of a fucking yeah, like you've had so many of those, you know what I mean.

So it's like there is like like I was saying, like lately, whenever I get because I get asked a lot by independent artists like you know, give me advice, and I'm like, bro, real ship, it starts from your core, like be a good person, actually love this shit, Like do what makes you feel happy, Like do what you enjoy, because then you'll build you'll build a fan base around the things you enjoy. If you like playing video games and do that, because then you'll have a blast doing it.

You know, if you like animals, fucking blog about animals, like whatever you want to do that weird ass like trying that old industry plant style of doing shit is just like we're just doing unorganic ship that you don't want to like, you know, and it's like clear loud. Yeah. So you say you have a ranch, does that mean you have animals? Uh No, right now I just have three dogs. I do have a ten horse stable, but right now we're kind of converting that because I'm using

it as storage for for a while. We could have horses. It's it's definitely equestrian a state or whatever the fuck. So if you wanted horses, you could run it up. Yeah, definitely, just like right now, we just got a TV for what, Like, why the you're you gonna do? They require a lot of attention, yeah, you know, and I'd be seeing them, honestly. Some of my neighbors have them, and I'm like, what the fuck did you buy a fucking horse for him

to be all sad and depressed right there? Like I'm like, as a matter of fact, you should get rid of that horse because it's depressing me. Like I'm gonna build a fucking fence like Trump or something and be like, Yo, I'm tired of seeing your depressed skinny ass horse. Shout out to the depressed skinny ass horses. No skinny horses in La County. Boom, Well, look, I appreciate you pulling up. Thank you, man. We had an interesting day. There'll be an Elk Boys prank coming out in a few weeks.

I'm sure that people will see h H. By the way, so thank you for pulling up. Go stream her music, Go check out her YouTube. What's the name of the podcast? Every day? Well every night nights? Okay, so every night nights, go do that and uh and then you might be on Twitch soon, you were saying with your kid, maybe playing some video games. Yeah, well, we don't know what the fuck we're doing. I know I'll pop up on

your studio and we gotta work on some music. We gotta we gotta figure out some some unorthodox ways of getting this industry riled up. Because that's that's my that's my next plan is just good job fucking ship up. Boom