#447 - Damizza

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Man special guests here a legend in the game, Domizza aka Damien Young.

Legend in my own mind. Welcome, Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me.

Man.

You know what's crazy is like as a kid, I knew your name. I wasn't in radio as a kid, obviously, so I didn't know that you were the program director of Power six.

Well, you know, that's actually kind of a it's interesting because I was the senior director of programming.

Okay, Yeah, what were you doing at Power to six? And what years?

Because I just remember you from the shade shie shit.

Okay, Well it's actually a little longer story.

Yeah, I okay, I was doing I was in Santa Barbara doing alternative radio.

Okay.

I started twelve years old under Michael Newman and Steve Smith. Ye rest p Steve Smith, Yes, rest in peace.

Big dog Steve Smith.

And they were the local program director of music directors. So I would just call up and bug Michael Newman, who was the night jock. I just call and a fan wanted to win stuff and stuff, and finally I became his intern, and at seventeen, I became the program director of that radio station Jesus and I broke a group called Garbage.

Shout to Garbage.

Yeah, Garbage was dope chicks, Yeah, Shirley Manson Syns. And you know when what I noticed was is the producer, you know, Butch Vig, who did Nevermind for Nirvana and then Smashing Pumpkin Siamese Dream. I said, well, wait a minute, if he just did those records, then this little demo that I got from Almo Sounds that just said produced by Butch Vig, it means it's probably going to be

You know what I mean. That's when it clicked about producers.

So I was like, okay, well, well I'm gonna take three songs off that album. You'll start playing them, right, you know what I mean? And so the label was like, yo, you broke Garbage. So when they blew up and they went platinum, they said, well, we owe you a favor. What do you want you want to do? Like a Flyaway. You know, they're doing the Weenie Roast, They're going on tourards Smashing Pumpkins. You know, you want to do something. I said, no, I want them to come to Santa

It was like an import.

And then I'd make it a current on our station as exclusive content, and everybody would be like, where the hell is he finding these records and doing stuff like that. So that's also where I learned about exclusive content. You know, investing in artists early and having exclusive content was like the key.

Especially back then because radio was like, really were you that's where you heard stuff first? Yeah, there was no internet, there's no Yeah it was yeah, it was what it was like. You read about it in the source, and then you heard about it on the radio, you saw it on BT.

You know, it was nuts. So anyways, Butch Figg said, well, did you make the promise? And the rep said yes, And I said, well, I guess the one day off that we have between the Winnie Roast and the Smashing

So Bruce Saint James came to that show.

Bruce is who was my first p PD ever.

Oh wow, I love Bruce Saint James. Hell well, he got me my job at Power. So I saw Bruce there and I said, look, I you know, I love all well. I had to do alternative because it was a rock town. I wanted to do hip hop first, right, but they said that's just not going to work. And even in LA when we wanted to switch to doing

Oh shit, and I was like, so, what year is this.

This is God ninety five ninety six.

So Curtis saw how nervous I was and stuff, and he was like, look, just don't mess up, and I will tell you a story of hip hop every night after the show. And I was like kid in a candy store. So fast forward about a year Curtis leaves. The next one to come in to do that show is Iced Tea Crazy. His engineer for like Rickochet and all that was this guy named Vachek where when I

Cat erased all of his sounds.

You know, He's in the back and he's like I just lost every sound I ever made, you know, flipping out, And here comes this little kid wanting to be a rapper with white kid from Santa Barbara. You know and says, hey, but what was that guitar song sound you used on quote?

You know that's okay. You know that's how that works, you know what I mean.

Like, and seeing interviews with Michael Jackson was saying, like, you know where I come from, in the school I come from. If you know, a kid comes up and says, that's a night shirt, you take it off and you hand it to him, right, you know what I mean? Like, that's the the artist and mentorship school that I came up in, you know what I mean. So anyways, Ice Tea does the same thing vod check. Like what I was saying about vod Check is the engineer happened to be, you know, the Iced Tea's engineer.

So when I.

Saw ic T the first time, I said, oh, I know Vacheck. Then we started talking and you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

So Ice T started teaching me. Well, Bruce gets ready to leave.

Power one o six to go to KKFAR, to go to KKFR as the PD, and he says to Michelle Mercer, you might want to talk to that kid from Santa Barbara. You know, I saw him at this garbage show. I think he might have you know whatever, whatever, So shout out to Bruce Saint James.

He got me my job at powerwin six.

Crazy.

So then I became the music director at Powerwino six.

So you were the MD. Who is the PD, Jimmy Steele.

No, Michelle mercerche Mercer comings had just left and Michelle Mercer was the PD.

So what's it like?

Because I feel like people don't really grasp like radio obviously nowadays is a whole different ballgame, but in the nineties, like doing hip hop radio a Power one oh six, like that had to be like just the politics you had to deal with.

Dude.

When I walked in the first time, the first people that I met was like Chalk and c minus shout the fucking all mighty freaking roughnecks. Yeah, the Baker Boys, you know what I mean, shout out Nick and Eric, I mean all of it, because these were the guys that, like, I mean, I grew I used to be that kid that would drive up just far enough to listen to Kdam you know, and Julio G shout out Tony G and the original mixmasters. I mean that was what I would do, you know what I mean. I was such

That's what I grew up on.

So you're the music director for how long? Well?

Well, uh.

Well, the format of the station when we first started wasn't hip hop.

It was just you know, I mean, it was doing this.

It was it was yeah, chr kind of but it was like already the one man Party, the Voice to Men and Mob Deep and you know, it's kind of all over the place. And I was like, we need to go straight West Coast Kankster Rep. That's what we need to do. And they told me you're fucking crazy, you know what I mean. They just I was like, dude, I want to put eight No Fun in Morning Drive. And they were like, dude, what about all about you?

Was the night jock.

So I'm going to high school, you know what I mean, as the night jock programming my own show Crazy. So I knew what the streets were listening. Plus all of my friends, you know, growing up in Santa Barbara.

You know, yeah, I'm.

White, but you know, it was basically identifying as young Mexican, you know what I mean, Like it was just that was all my friends.

So growing up, you know.

The first tape I heard, you know that blew my mind was Gangster Gangster, you know what I mean.

And I an.

Easy ease, So I stole that tape, you know what I mean, And that's what my friends were listening to.

So when I got to Power, that was my mission.

It was like, We're going to make West Coast rap the number one format in the world. And they said that just won't happen.

So this is around the time of ninety seven, So ninety seven, so this is I mean, this is.

Pocking big ee past.

No, no, okay. So when I'm in Santa.

Barbara, because that was a Biggie died what March ninety seven.

Biggie was sitting in my office the morning before he died. What he had done a radio run and he literally.

Because we always see like that legendary cameo stuff he had. So then he obviously he was in La.

Yeah, so he went to the Baker Boys show and he was on crutches because you know, he'd gotten out the car accident, was seized. And what we actually what happened was is he did the beating. He played Bone Thugs in Harmony and I heard it the night before and yeah, and I flipped and I called Puffy and I was like, bro, I was like, Homie, One, bone Thugs in Harmony is a power one on six artists and two we got the Baker Boys, So what are you doing? And he goes, we'll be there tomorrow morning, miss,

He just got booted the Source rewards.

I had the dog Pound on stage and I'm like, yo, guys stop by and they're like, I don't know, you know, it's a little hot, and I'm like, dude, I.

Got this, just come come.

Biggie gets out of the car, you know, Puffy Mace, all of them get out of the car and they come out, and I'm like, this is Snoop, this is Da Da Da. And I start realizing, like by just introducing everybody and everybody's gonna be cool. We had ice q Dare. We have all these people there, so I'm introducing everybody. Everybody's cool. Biggie goes out on stage. I go to e man heye with the bigs on stage. He's like, do not even bring any records. I didn't

He's West Beef.

What this is in the middle of the beef, in the middle of all of it, Yeah, you know what I mean. And I had met Pac before that, and you know, I mean when I was doing Alternative. You know, they had they'd have these after the Grammys, you know they have those parties and stuff like that. Well, they MCA had one at the Four Seasons. It's a famous one where PUC was in the versace with kiss and

Did you get it?

And I was like what, and he goes, how did you get my album?

Sug?

Somebody got the album before release?

Well, then you had you had to explain I'm a radio guy labels hit, so I'm like, I'm an alternative radio so they know we're not going to play it.

They sent it to me on the Friday before the release.

Day and she goes a hah ha and just turns around and Pop goes, what's your favorite song?

And I go, oh, song, this too.

A million pair of eyes, look your heart. And he finishes the same with me and slaps my hand and.

Goes to Jimmy.

Snoop, did you meet so and So?

You met Nate, you met Da Da Da da mc hammer? I was like EMC hammer with you guys. Yeah, you know what it was like hip hop fan overload, you.

Know what I mean, Like nobody's interesting you.

I'm gonna go back to the show that like, imagine if Instagram existed then and you would see Snoop dance.

On stage with Biggie.

Yeah, but that was a moment. That's a moment. So while Snoop's there, I say.

I'm assuming that this show transpired after Pop died.

Yes, yes, yes, this is probably around February and March ninety seven.

Right, so this is okay?

It was It was.

It was March sixth, fifth, ninety seven, was just a.

Four days before three four Big was gone. So he was doing that radio run or whatever, and he came in. He just sat down, and then Nick and Eric come in and go, we need him to record a freestyle. And I was like oh, and he's like, oh man, my legs, damn.

Can I just sit here for a little while?

And I was, and Nick and Eric go, look, why don't you record it when he gets when he feels like it and whatever whatever. So Big sitting there, he looks over and he just says, God, I love being in California. And I'm like what and he goes the women the weed. He goes, man, I just got I'm going home soon. I just got good with faith again. I'm gonna go see my daughter, you know, man. I

Cool.

So I'm sitting there and he goes in the booth. He's like, yeah, one, two, and two. Put the headphones on. I'm watching this icon wrap and I'm just going like yo, and he's like, so what you think of that? And I'm just like, oh, yeah, great, great.

You know.

It's like he goes, you need me to run it again? Da da da da da. I'm like cool. He's like not cool, left and whatever whatever.

So E won. The next night I was I went I was going.

To the Outcast party because Outcasts had just gone platinum or whatever it was with at Aliens or something yeah or our Quaminin or whatever.

Or whatever.

So I love those guys and shout out good kept goodie. But anyways, so I go home to bed because they didn't let me into the Roxbury because I had tennis shoes on and blue jeans and I didn't even know about the Quincy Jones party, you know what I mean, the Peterson autun Museum party. I was just like, well, I knew, but I was like, look, if they're not gonna let me into this, I'm sure it's I'm not going to get into that. So I just went home and went to sleep, and about twelve thirty one calls

It was like.

What's going on? Like right, wow?

And that was kind of how I my introduction to what was happening in the street and Death Row.

And Sugar Night.

So I gotta ask you because.

There's a lot.

Well, I'm curious because you would always hear that, like you know, the magazines where radio hosts were adding gasoline to the beef. But you always would hear about like it on the hot ninety seven side. I never really heard of like the Baker Boys or anybody like stirring up the East Coast West coast beef. What was like the temperature like after Pop dies, You're obviously in there, biggies, Biggies thriving, He's about to put out, you know, life

How I tell you why that started.

I'll tell you why that started on a radio sign because power one oh six was breaking. All these East Coast writers and the artists were going back to ninety seven saying, what the fuck? Biggie was broken in Los Angeles, Puffy was broken, but in Los Angeles, Mace was broken in Los Angeles, Big Pun was brest in Peace was broken in Los Angeles. I mean, you have to remember, Steve Rifkin comes in my office, puts in a tape of the video of I'm Not a Player by Big pun Right, and I go, oh, that's dope.

Hold on a second. I popped the VHS tape out.

I walk in the production room and take it from the VHS tape, put it on a CD. I walk on in the air and I sit handed to them and say play this next. I come back in hand him his video tape and he's like, what did you just do?

And I'm like, oh, nothing, you know, just chilling. That song ends.

All of a sudden, not a Player comes on and Steve's like, well, are you playing that on the radio And I'm like, yeah, dope song. He goes, dude, we don't have CDs press yet nine seven. I haven't even played it for UD.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

So what do you think? You know what I mean? And then you know, like what Josh said, and I love John IRV. And why I love them so much is even when my own coast forgot about me, no matter what, Jah and IRV would always, no matter what they were doing any other you know, breakfast club or or drank champs or anything, they'd be like, I got broken on the West Coast, you know what I mean, Like at New York with me brought Halla Holla and can I Get It and all of that stuff to

Oh well, I meant to my actual hit that I kind of like, you know, broke through as like a But we tried.

With hallahala first because you have to remember IRV produced Hotspot for Foxy Brown.

Then he did can I Get a?

So Jay Brown brought and brought me Dame Dash and jay Z and we tried like five singles on jay Z before some cart before Hard Knock Life, you know what I'm saying, Like and it would it got to the point where Def Jam was talking about not renewing his budget and you.

Know, well yeah, because like Volume one was like you know, but there was a lot of records and big videos that got shot like a.

Sunshine shine his mind and I mean who he wit and none of those like really hit, none of the real we tried on the radio, every single one of them. It didn't work, you know what I mean. So there was a lot of that, but you know.

Those were the days that like you went into the studio because you were making a radio record, and the money that you put into that radio record and the video.

It was substantial. Well for the investment probably had to be so crazy.

And they literally said, we're not going to renew his budget. Yeah, you know. But then IRV pops up with a soundtrack record.

Can I get on a Nutty Professor?

Yeah?

I think I don't remember, but Brettner was also managing.

No, no, no, no, no. Can I get a eight?

No?

Was a.

Eight? I don't remember? Was on Nutty Professors?

Plenty? Yeah, I think it was Plenty sound Truck.

Yeah, yeah A no was?

Uh was on Nutty Professor? Which and that was which was before volume.

One, which I think was Quest, which was Jay Brown.

Yeah.

So anyways, so Jay Brown keeps asking me to keep investing in this artist because he really believes in him, and.

It's Jay Z.

So he comes with can I get it? Can I get a? Does great for radio? Another record broke on the West Coast? You know what I'm saying, Like through a meeting IRV, you know what I'm saying. Then Jermaine comes along, does money Ain't a Thing? And all of these records and you know, all of that kind of stuff, and Jay builds brand all of this kind of stuff, does Hard Knock Life. Steve Smith comes in to me

So I'm like, you know what.

What's all that crap going on? Well, she was.

Coming off with Sony, Okay, you know what I mean.

And you know, Tommy Mottola was her husband, and you know, when you're a star of that stature and you're also going to be a free agent and a record you know, and okay, so let me rewind. So Mariah Carey goes to release Honey right, and it wasn't a power one of six record. We're a rap station, now, you know, I'd successfully like, for instance, they ain't no fun.

Stuff till the remix comes.

Well, okay, So what happened was what had happened was is ain't no fun and stuff like that. They told me, if I put those in our research and stuff like that, the auditorium testing, which is how radio stations decide what they're going to play as the recurrents and the gold records and the oldies and all of that, they said, if I put ain't no fun in those records, they just fire me, you know what I mean, because they were never.

Going to play ain't no fun in those kind of records or more, which is.

Crazy because it's fucking by ninety seven that's a classic, but not on.

The radio three.

But they were never radio records. So you got to remember radio. The way that it was driven back then is if it was not played as a radio or sent out as a single, then a radio station would not play it.

Do you know what I mean?

You weren't playing just cuts because you wanted.

To write like I like track seven.

But that's what made me famous in Santa Barbara, is that you were pulling as an alternative was such a young format that we had a huge gold base of David Bowie and all these kind of things, but we didn't have many new records, you know what I mean. So if something like Nirvana came out, I take four cuts off the album playing his currents, and then slowly, you know what I mean, run through them and literally decide the singles basically for the labels, you know what I mean.

And that's what I did with Power Is.

I took album orientated rock and said, let's make it album orientated rock, but let's put a gangster twist on it. So that show with Biggie, I asked Snoop to come to weekends on Power one six.

Had his radio show what was it called? I remember it was on in Phoenix for a little bit.

Well this is before that, this is before all of that.

So Fuzzy was Fuzzy wanted to do a show called Curb Serving Shout Out Fuzzy Shot, which connected us to Snoop Dogg. You know, because if it wasn't for Fuzzy introducing Snoop dog and bringing him to that show at the Palace, then none of it would have happened.

Crazy, you know, that's I just raised with him. A couple of weeks ago. He brought he brought the dog Pound up here. Yeah, I love I love Fuzzy. Yeah.

And so Fuzzy had this idea for Curb Serving, and everybody was like that West Coast gangster raps. I was like, well, what about right after Friday Night Flavors, you know, so it's like twelve o'clock, win o'clock at night, you.

Know, give him the shot and see what happened.

But we would get all of this exclusive content out of those shows Friday Night Flavors, and you know, Curb Serving, we would get like mid Night.

He'd bring me Midnight Love.

You know, they had Snoop and and Raphael Sidiq and you know, all of this kind of stuff. And I'd play him as currents, you know what I mean. They bring him to me and I'd be like, oh, let's let's play that as a current. So Snoop starts hearing this stuff, you know, like what are these guys doing? So I was like, yo, want to meet you know, da da da da come work for us, and and we put him on Saturdays.

You know.

I saw him at that show and I said, what's going on? It's like I just got off death row. They cut off my stipend.

D H yeah, yeah, because that was kind of like right, rough no limit shit happened, and.

I'm like, dude, well, why don't you come to work for us a power and say you can players?

What was?

What was like, what is the paycheck for Snoop Dogg to do radio show in ninety si dollars an hour?

Fifty dollars an hour?

I mean he literally came and filled out the application and did it.

But it was fifty dollars an hour?

And he it was this was a two hour specialty show or was it? Was it longer? I was I think for two four, two to four whatever it was? And who was programming the music? Was Snoop or was it you?

He was he'll do whatever he wanted.

So would he submit the song?

Jeff Garcia? And you know the Flavor Unit Junior?

So who was editing the songs that Snoop? And bring in Jeff Garcia? So Jeff was was was?

I love Jeff? Jeff's my guy?

Great?

So we thought who would be the best producer for Snoop show? The first time we heard it, We're like, we need to have Jeff Garcia do this because Jeff is literally.

The producer period.

It's bar nothing, yes, who then became our production director.

But if Cruse ever in him, ever break up, I'm taking Jeff.

And I love Chris, I love Jeff Man, but Jeff is well. But he made that show work, you know what I'm saying. And I mean, so Snoops in there have funny story. So Snoop's in there working one day and I walk in and I'm like, so, what's up with you?

Dry?

You know what's going on?

And he's like, oh, I just ain't talk to him and and all this kind of stuff. Okay, So master P had been coming by the station like every morning, you know, trying to get No Limit records on Power one O six, And he says to me, He's like, hey, Snoops doing weekends. And I said, yeah, what's he doing right? And I'm like, you know whatever, whatever he goes, I heard that song. I heard that song. I guess Snoop runs into mystical or something like that. And then you know,

When you say the hotline number, are talking about like the number the back door.

Because you know what's so crazy.

About the hotline? There's the warm line and then there's not.

Let me tell you about master P. Master P when he wants something like he would show up literally every morning to Power one O six. Like when I got to work, he'd be in the lobby. Dame, I got this record, what about this one?

Dame?

I got to go to the studio, come back, Dame, I got this record? What about it?

Like?

His goal was to get a record on powerwe six. It got to the point where I would not come through the lobby. I started going through the back door, trying to avoid Mastery because I was trying to avoid master No. But this is how crazy master P is in a good way. He figured it out. He'd wait at the back door crazy, so I would be coming in through the back door.

Did you guys make him say huh?

That's what did it?

Nick and Eric from the Baker Boys were championing so hard master P finally brought me make him say uh? He but every morning he'd sit there, show me how the research works. Why do you make these decisions. How do you make the decision? Always the nicest guy, you know what I mean? And I had met Pete originally

Remember that record? What soundtrack was that? Was that bull Worth?

I don't whatever.

That was the Bullwarts soundtrack I think with uh yeah, it was Bullward with halle Berry with her fine as young halle Berry was in that.

Oh my god, Yeah.

That was a great soundtrack that I had the Ghetto Superstar Proz and.

Oh yeah we played those two.

Yeah.

But to me, it was about I'm trying to get Doctor Dre and Snoop dog back together some way, some shape, whether it's coming on his show. I mean, this was my master plan because I just I am a Doctor Dre and Snoop.

Dogg fan, Like I just wanted to see the show.

Like if I could get these two in the same room and get a picture, then my life couldn't. If I meet DJ Quick, shout out DJ Quick, and I meet Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg and get a picture with all three, so cool, you know, my I can in my career right there, and I'm straight.

So they go coming, you know whatever.

So Doctor Dre shooting zoom zoom and he goes, this is Damien and I said zoom zoom.

I said, what the fuck is this? And Dre looks over at me and he's like what.

And I go, where's the one with Snoop Dogg on it that you lead to the Compton that's lost and swap me And he's like what, And I said, this had Snoop on It was released to the Compton, And how do you know that I said, dude, I'm a rap fan, and he's like, whoa. So we just started talking about rap music, and I knew everything that this guy did going to the DC shout out DC by the way, and I you know, I mean it just

For his number, like whatever.

So I was walking around the station and a funny story about that, as he said, and I said, Yo, what assistant is this to And he goes, this is my headphone. It rings next to my head, so don't call to her, you know what I mean. Like I was like, Wow, he gave me whatever.

Whatever.

So he had just had the aftermath and the firm thing, and him and Jimmy weren't talking, none of that kind of stuff. So I was like, I was like, I need an excuse to call doctor Dre. So I went back in the studio and I said, hey, Snoop, I heard doctor Dre wants to work with you again. And Snoop looks at me and says, yeah, I put that food back on. And I was like okay, And so I'm like, how am I going to do this? And I go and I called Drey and I'm like, hey,

Hey.

You know, you know, it's kind of crazy. I was talking to Snoop yesterday. He said he wanted to work with you again, and he said the exact same thing.

I put that fool back on, you know what. And that's how it happened, you know.

And then it and it was crazy because he's like, hey, you know, no limit or something like that and this kind of stuff. I said, well, we have a Powerhouse coming up, and Snoop is playing at the Powerhouse. Why don't you come to the Powerhouse and just be my guest? And he's like, ah, think about it. So I'm like calling talking to his wife, you know, when she answered the phone before he gives it to Dre.

Hey, man, I'm really trying to get him come the show. You should come to the show.

Blah.

Blah blah blah blah, this is what I'm trying to do. And you know, she was great.

She was like, oh, he needs that, you know, da da da all this, he needs to get out do this stuff, and you know, and it was, you know, I mean it was they both were in that phase, you know what I mean, in between you know, and the death Row thing, and they just had not seen each other since it.

But there was no bad bea.

So what happened was is Snoop comes in and I set up his dressing room and shout out to Diana Obermeyer genius lady promotion like. She puts the name Snoop Dogg on the dressing room door, and I said, yo, I need a dressing room right next door for doctor Dre. So as soon as Snoop walks in, I switched the freaking the Doctor Drey and Snoop Dogg.

Name flates, and Drake comes in. He's got two.

Balls of taking.

Hey damn, I'm here, you know whatever whatever, and I'm like, there's your dressing room. I opened up the door and literally just went like that, and Dad's corrupt Snoop Drey, you know, like, and they all started talking.

That was the first time they had seen each other since Death Wrong the Death Row. Yeah.

So I'm over there conspiring with DJ jam you know who. I love DJ jam My Dog, and I'm like, Jam, we gotta find a way to get him do a song on stage.

It's powerhouse, you know.

If Dray go out there and do deep cover and nothing but a g thang, Oh we got off this thing, Like, come on, bro, let's do this. And Jam's like, dang, they started the conversation, but just don't work like that. Just chill out, chill out, It'll happen, but chill out. I'm like, nah, I'm gonna make this happen. Fuck that, you know, like all this stuff. So Dre's sitting on the side of the stage on a road case. Snoop is out there performing, and I walk over to Jam.

I'm like, just play deep Cover. Play deep Cover.

And He's like, damn. The conversation started, but I'm not gonna do that. I'm like fuck this, And I walk over and I grabbed two mics from the guy and I hold up in front of Dre and I go, Dre, do it, like fucking do it.

Look at this, Like if you walk out there right now. Do you realize what's gonna happen?

He goes, ah, fuck this, and he grabs the two mics out of my hand and I look at Jam and I'm like, he's got the mikes. He's got the mics, and Jam's just like, ah fuck it.

Puts it on. Fucking Dre comes out, what up? Snoop? Surprised as fuck. He's like, what the Fu's us going on?

Like you know what I mean? It's like, oh hell yeah, like and they did it.

So Dre walks up to me right after you, and he hands me back to mics and goes that what you wanted, motherfucker. I said no, I want an album, and he goes, don't push your luck like you know whatever.

He's like, I'm out of here.

And he fucking took off. But that started the relationship with doctor Dre. So then Nino calls me again. He goes, you need to come to office. You need to come to office. I'm like, all right, cool, So I go to interscope because then you know, and I have really good friends, man, so you need to come to the office. We're going up to Jimmy Iven's office. So I'm like, oh god, here we go, you know, you know something

And he's like, well, you know where are we gonna do it.

We can't do it in La No venue ensure that, you know, no venue will take a West Coast kingster rap show like that. You're never going to get Snoop Dogg and Doctor Dre in a venue in La. Right, And we don't have a current single, you know, the da Da Da Da Da. I'm like, well, you know you're making an album, you know, Da da da Da. So you know, Dre sneaks over and starts making a song with the Master Pete thing, all this kind of thing, and I'm like, this.

Is probably No Limit Top Dog era.

Second No Limit album, I think the first No Limit album.

Yeah, well it was it like they were talking about it, you know what I mean.

I mean like and he started recording because Bitch Please Too was.

On Well, Top Dog, I'm trying to roll that first Snoop Dog album on No Limit.

I was not a yeah, but it was kind of like the conversation was starting, so you know, maybe there was some sessions.

Maybe there was in the road to two thousand and one happens.

Well, so then it was let's do a show, like, let's let's get this together. And Dre is like, I don't fucking do it right, And I'm like, Snoop, what do you think. He's like, all right, I'll fucking do it, and then I'll go to the and then we go around. We can't get nobody to do it so right, so I'm like, just hang out. We're going to do this

So then they're like, yeah, that's a good idea, let's do that.

Well, when Drake cut the promos, Snoop cuts the promos, I go on the air with it. Jimmy Ivin calls me and he's like, bro, what are you doing? And I'm like, Jimmy Iveen Hi, like you're Jimmy Iven and he goes, Bro, he goes, I have a bill on my desk for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, thank you, Nino for a promotion.

In Hawaii that I'm hearing on the radio that.

Has a producer that doesn't produce and an artist that I haven't seen since Death Row. And how the fuck did you get doctor Dre's number? I don't even have it. Like I'm trying to sell this label, blah blah blah blah blah. And I mean the rumor was that he was going to sell Aftermath because of after the.

Firm and the Aftermath album and.

The Aftermath album, so it was kind of like and he and I was like, look, bro, you'll get your album. Trust me, like, you're gonna get it. I've been to the studio. I know he's working on something. You know, it was the early stages of Melman and all of that kind of stuff, And just trust me, you're going to get it. And he goes, well, if this doesn't happen, I'm going to sue you for the two hundred and fifty grand, but go ahead and do it. And then I get a call from Dre saying you need to

All how's already on the air, and he.

Goes, you need to come to the house. And I'm like, like, I know where you live. You have a fucking stalker, like you know whatever. So I end up coming to the house. I walk in and there's this little white kid in the booth going slim shady you a base head while your face red. And I was like, oh, wait a minute, he's writing for you. And he goes, ah, let me talk to you outside for a second, and I'm like what. He goes, let me talk to you outside for a second. I'm like, oh, no, you signed

I'm out of here.

I said, no, you're going to the Baker Boys show, and you're gonna announce that you're doing the Friday Night Flavors ten year anniversary and we're going to break that record. He goes, the record's not ready yet, so we'll at least go do the show, set it up, and we'll talk about this later when you have the record.

And he was like cool.

So then we added M to the show in Hawaii Crazy. So then M cut all all the drops and we added M to it. Dropped how my name is.

So this was before Hi my name is? You already added in.

By so well we did it right as we dropped how my name is? Because you really have to remember MTV for all intents and purposes, broke eminet for sure, you know what I mean. So you know, and I remember this one story. M came in my office and called me up and.

Let me shout out to Sway and Tech who had him Oh.

No, the early Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

I mean.

Sway and Tech and a wake up show all of that. But I'm saying my name is broken. You know what I'm saying, as as that which made us know who he is. Yet, so shoutouts were in Tech, no disrespect, you know. I love those guys, but they're getting ready to drop how my name is? And you know, EM used to call me a lot like what's this mean? What's that mean? You know, come to the studio and listen to this or you know, dre all of them did. So EM calls me up, he goes go, can I

Wait?

I can't go out in public anymore? Right, And then he was like yeah, cool and he leaves. Right the next morning, m was everywhere and I get the record hot ninety or MTV just national, you know what I mean. So we broke it at the same time that they broke it on MTVA. They literally did it at the same time. So then we had him do the drops. I called him back, said get back over the area. We're add him to the show. Do the drops. And that

So they and this is how synergy works.

Okay, this is why I always say consistency and repetition breeds familiarity.

Familiarity breads a relationship.

A relationship reads teamwork or synergy, and synergy teamwork wins games. So we add him to the show, right then, Dre after the show calls me up and says, we want to take this on the road, but no venue will take us across the.

So Hawaii was kind of the the braak, the test run, the test run of what ended up being up in Smoke Tour. Yeah, yeah, which I fucking I remember. I man, I've worked so hard as like a twelve year old kid or however old I was to get the money to go to the.

Warehouse and buy those tickets.

Yeah, and it sucks because the date I went to when Phoenix ice Cube wasn't on the tour, he wasn't on the But that shit was crazy, dude. It came out.

Imagine being wait but watch this, imagine in Hawaii. It's two hundred and fifty people.

Okay's it? Yeah, that's it in a hotel ballroom.

So two hundred and fifty people got to see Eminem Dre and Snoop in Hawaii.

Yeah, what the fuck?

Exclusive content for Power one oh six that's crazy and the reunion and you've got m blowing up with how my name is at that time?

Crazy?

Then the records still dre okay. Now here's the funny thing about that. So Dra called me one night and he's like, yo, I think I got the record, and I was like what, and he goes, you need to come to the studio. I got the record and I was like, and keep in mind, during the recording process, jay Z wrote a song called Malibu Dre first okay, didn't come out right. So J's like, I'm not doing that, you know what I mean?

For people wo don't know.

Jay Z wrote, well, we'll get, we'll get. It's getting there. So so he's we're at A and M. He calls me to A and M. It's Scott Storch's first night and he's sitting in the back and smell man. I think Doc was there some other people and you hear him in the back just going bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling bling and the drum beat is playing. But I'm sitting there just going like, what the hell is going on? And he goes, well, jay Z's supposed to write a song. I don't know

I'm like what.

He goes, I think we got it and I was like what and he goes still d r E and I was like, what's still d r E? He goes the fucking single We got it and I was like, oh, I'm on my way.

So we go to record one or encore one another two.

I walk in, I hear that record and I said thank you, and I literally took it out of his hands.

He's like, where are you going?

I said, I'm gonna go play it, and he was like, okay, and that I just put it on the radio.

I would love to hear the jay Z reference tracks to dr I've heard it crazy.

It's hilarious to hear Jay doing it Andre's voice, right, you know, which is also kind of funny to hear em doing like you know, uh to a new house on a new hill and how would you feel a lift?

You know what I mean?

Right? I mean those references, you know what I mean, Like m wrote, I mean, uh, you know, what's the difference between me and you? You know, like all of those kinds of all that's that he wrote all that stuff for DRAG. I mean, think how genius eminem is,

I love doing my session work. Now I'm like going on to see I'm gonna go do my session work. Rest peace man to go one of my best friends ever and I loved him.

Yeah he was great man.

But yeah, so that's how it all started. And then I started playing. Literally that's when I realized how much power we had because I took Still dre handed it to Steve Smith and they played it on Hot ninety seven in New York. But it was like, just hit him over the head. But then Power win of five came on. This is a little bit later. Power one of five came on in New York and jay Z immediately went over there because you know, people weren't fucking

All this kind of stuff.

So I get a call and it's like, yo, you need to go to Hot ninety seven and fix all this shit. And I was like what, and they go summer Jam's not booked, Flex won't sign his contract. Jay Z's on this new station called Power one on five saying fuck Hot ninety seven and they don't have a music director. And if you're going to New York, and so I went to New York and cleaned up the little kim stuff, finished booking, Summer Jam, pulled jay Z off a Hot ninety seven and got Flex to sign his contract.

For people who don't know Power One of six and Hot ninety seven were owned by the same company for a long time called AMS Communications.

But Steve was the consultant behind both of them. Now what's even crazier is so when Dre called me about the test run two thousand and one, keep in mind I was working at Summer Jam they did.

Hot ninety seven.

I see that Steve Smith owns the company with Brad Patrick and Randy Bizzelli that's doing all the staging. So that's what I used in Hawaii. Do you see what I'm saying? The Summer Jam infrastructure to do the chronic shit. Right, So when Dre said I want to go on tour, He's like, well, I'll just use the people that we used in Hawaii because that was a great test run. Now how do I get it across the country. Well, I'm like, wait a minute. I'm like Jay Brown, who

And we were on the road. It's crazy.

I wonder, tell me, did you ever have any you know, when you're in radio or specific give you a program director, artists labels takeshit personal? Did you ever have any beef with anybody or did anyone ever have beef with you when you.

Were at the helms of power one of six.

I wouldn't call it beef. I would say, like disagreement. Well, okay, I'll tell you a funny story. How I met Buster Rhymes Baker Boys broadcasting live from MTV Awards or something like that, and Buster is there and you know, he's doing the interview or whatever and are doing interviews and goes to Baker Boys and all of a sudden they're on the air doing the interview and I hear fuck Damian Young live on the air, and I'm like.

What the fuck was that? So I walk in this what the fuck?

And Baker's go talk back, you know, through through the you know whatever we the board or whatever. I don't know what happened with you and about rhymes, but da da da da da And I'm like, neither.

Do I tell him come back?

I want to talk to him right And he said he got back and he's there and I was like, yo, this is Damian Young and he's like, well fucking no, no, d D.

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm at twenty six hundred West Olive Avenue in Burbank. Come to the office, and whatever your issue is, let's discuss it in person. And he said well. I was like, stop, twenty six hundred West Olive. When you're done, come over and we will sit down and talk. Shows up to the station, shuts the door, blah blah blah blah blah. I was like, wait, what is the issue and he said, well, the label said, you said my new single, dadda.

I said stop.

I said, it's like my third fourth day, bro, I have not heard anything that you have put out. And he goes oh, I said do you have the single? He said, yeah, said bring it in, opens the door. Tells the rep give me a single, Okay, put the single in. I think it was like it was woo ha, or put your hands on my eyes can see something, or the flip mode record or one of those. I put it in and I go, hmmm, press a jack, take the CD out, hand it to him and he goes,

That's crazy.

And I never you know, I never had an artist nobody ever. I never had an issue with anyone, you know what I mean? Like I was always you know, it doesn't matter whether it was the street, It doesn't matter that. I would never take Paola. I would never fucking play something that wasn't right for my radio station. I would never compromise. You couldn't intimidate me. You could not.

I mean how many streets.

Did a lot of people try to intimidate you? Oh? Fuck yeah?

Because you know you have to understand every West Coast gangster rapper affiliated with a gang, So you know, the first thing that would happen is the intimidation thing, you know what I mean, I'd be like kickback, like, you know.

Dude, did sug Knight ever feel the type of way that you were behind the scenes trying to obviously besides the Tupac story.

Well, I met him through the Anaheim Police Department really oh yeah. So what happened was is we had Snoop and all these guys on Powerhouse, right Sugar gets out of jail and the Anaheim Police Department Diana show up to my office and they're like, we're going to cancel Powerhouse And I'm like, for what And they're like, sug Knight just got out of jail and there's a rumor that he's going to come to power one oh six and fuck up the show or the Powerhouse the show.

Yeah, so that's how I met them.

Rest in Peace, you know Read and Godfather and you know, Giant, one of my best friends like, I love giant giants come and stayed at my house, knew my grandma, came to grandma's funeral, you know what I mean? Like those guys, I love them, Cobra, you know great guys, Biggatti, love you bro, love you bro, Who've had my back unconditionally through everything, and I just I love those guys. So they show up, Snoop starts coming out and he's like, will you try downstairs? We're gonna go da da da

E YC on MCA, so I knew they were rappers.

So I was like, look, at some point they're going to want the record played, you know. So the best way to do this is for me to go down to introduce myself, you know, acknowledge and show them respect and maybe they will do the same, do you know what I'm saying?

Right?

So I go down the thing and I think it was a giant was standing right there and he was. I come down the escalator and they're arguing with the police department to let them in or whatever it is. In Hawaii and I say, back out, motherfucker before I knock you out to the biggest one that I see. You know, just little kid, white kid thought it would be funny, you know what I mean, like whatever whatever, and they're like what and I'm like, yo, I remember

By the way, and who the fuck are you?

I said, I'm Damian Young And then Godfather comes out through the middle rest in peace and he's like, ah, we have heard of you, and I was like yes, And I said, are you guys ever going to put another record out?

And they said well, yeah, da da da da da.

And I'm like, well, why don't you guys come in as my guest and the next time you have a record, you won't have a problem, right, And they're like, come inside as a guest, and I'm like yeah. So they came in and I didn't know them yet, you know what I mean. So I was like to the police department, I'm like, you should put security around them because they're famous, and I don't want any fans to fuck with.

Them, got it? Smart?

Yeah, So the police put a thing around them and I go backstage and Snoop goes, you know what happened to bulliad tribe?

And I was like, it's handled And he was like, what are you talking about?

Where are they?

And I said they're in the audience and he goes what And I was like, dog, at least we know where they are. They have a look through the thing, they have police all the way around them.

They'll just enjoy the show. I took care of it.

And he goes, well, if you sure, da da da da da, well I'll trust you because blah blah blah blah blah. You know, went off without a hitch. But from then on, the Bullard tribe and I were great. Yeah, you know what I mean. So no, I've never had an issue with anyone.

That's interesting.

But you know, through that, I met everybody. I met, big U, I met you know mugs that ran with Mac ten.

Yeah, Englewood Muggs.

One of my mentors, you know what I mean, Like, and you know, they would make jokes like the white boy you want to come to the hood and you know, dah da da dah.

So I'm like, yeah, let's go.

So Mugs one time we go over see Gotti, you know, at the at the shop, and then we're standing on Mugs's porch. I just met Muggs's mom and we're standing in Inglewood and I was scared for my life, so I had a gun and the weed on me just in case, you know what I mean, because I didn't know where the.

Fuck they were taking me. I just met these guys, I know they're you know.

How I met him was through mac ten and it started kind of with an argument, you know, not an argument, but like you know, you ain't da da da da you afraid you white program director won't come here all this. I'm like, fuck it, let's go. So Mugs picks me up one day. It takes me to Inglewood to his house to meet you know, all of his friends and you know, all of that kind of stuff. So we're standing in his driveway and rest in peace to his mom.

The hell is going on?

And back then, I wore tan Dickies, Casewiss shoes and a white T shirt to everything.

That's just what I wore, you know what I mean.

And they just got back in the car and took off, and Muggs tells a funny story. It's like yeah, and he's the one that had the guns and weed on him, like you know what I mean. And if that would have gone down, my career would have been over, you know what I mean. But that's what it was.

Crazy.

You've mentioned Paola, like I think that the I'll please bring this up.

Well, I think that.

Back in the day, like you know, the the I think you know, Paola was widely known, that it was happening at a high level.

Oh yeah, you know.

I always hear like yo back in the day, Like you would like rock radio back in the day, you drop off like a fucking eight ball coke to the PD or to the DJ or But I'm like, how how much of Payola in the nineties early two thousands was actually happening? And you know, like you said, you if you say you never took Paola, that's.

Like that shit.

To be in the nineties and then not take any money is crazy because it felt like everybody was doing it back then, right.

Let me explain it to you like this, I don't know, and you know why, because since the time that I was seventeen, every label knew you can't buy him, right, He's gonna do what he's gonna do, right, Like you're not like you're playing album cuts. I'm playing album cuts. I'm going crazy. Well, how can we get Damian to do this?

Like, oh, this is the priority? Well what if I don't want to play the priority?

Well yeah, And that was the thing, is, like they may give me a single, but when I heard the album, you know, I'd be like, fuck it, I'm not playing that, but I'll play this right, you know what I mean? And so I started kind of getting a name for just being this guy that just would do whatever the fuck he wants and you better just get on board, you know what I mean. So honestly, I swear to God on my grandmother's soul that I've no one has ever approached me and offered the money because they just

So, and I would every.

Year at Powerhouse, I would not only invite all of the artists, but I'd say bring your homies to you know what I mean. So I'd be running around introducing everybody. So I'd hear like this person is beefing with that person, or this set doesn't get along with that set, and be careful putting you know snoops homies next to you know, these people's homies. And I the first thing I would

Was another one I needed.

And Stan saw the stuff happening, and I was talking to Stan one day, and you know, we brought Quick to Power one oh six and Stan. If you don't know Stan's history, Stan's father, I mean, black music was basically created the in Stan's basement. His dad was Bunkie Shepherd. I mean they did bad Mammajama in his basement, you know. So Stan was deeply rooted. I mean he he ran Jackson Communications for the Jacksons, you know.

So he calls me up one day and he goes, come to this address on Haven Hurt.

So I pull up the freaking Michael Jackson's estate, you know, the Jackson House, and I'm like, the hell is going on here? Like what what are we doing? You know, like what's up? And he goes, I want you to go to this address on Sunset Plaza And I'm like, for what, And he goes, I want you to meet this guy Jim Brown. And I said, Jim Brown, Who's Jim Brown? And everybody in the room like looks at me, like, I'm not a sports guy.

I don't know nothing about.

Sports the legendary running back.

Right, So they all look at me like, it's Jim Brown, right whatever. So I show up in the room, is Jim Brown, Harry Belafante rest in Peace and James Ingram rest in peace? And I'm like, James Ingram will p yt from Michael Jackson. Harry Belafonti wrote deo And Okay, Jim Brown is this guy from that I've seen in the.

Movies with Ojack? Do you know what I mean?

And I walk out in the back and they've got all of the gang leaders sitting there and the or some of the gang leaders sitting there at a table and they go, we just started the American Foundation. It does gang intervention. What do you think? And that's what you've been basically doing at these shows and putting all these people together and you're, you know, mixing up all these colors. Like what are you thinking? I said, I think they're like, how do we label it? And I said,

But here you are.

And from then on, you know, Jim and I were great friends. And Harry and Stan and Connie Rice and Harry Belafontee's daughter was recording her you know thang and you know, I mean, just all of that kind of stuff happened.

So how crazy was like the radio war between the Beat and Power? Was it ever like a beau because man, I've been a part of a one radio real beef.

There was beef there, you know. That was on the court though.

But what was so funny is like Michelle last is one of my best friends, you know what I mean. But when we were on the court, we played ball, you know what I'm saying. No, it was back radio beef was crazy. But here's the thing is, I got along with everybody. I didn't give a fuck about nothing, you know what I mean. It was like, look, we play hard on the field and yeah, I you know, I just made it, so I mean i'd cut them out. Like, for instance, because Doctor Dre, I helped Doctor Dre with.

Two thousand and one.

The two two thousand and one shows that were in LT were powerhouses.

They weren't up, they weren't up and smoke.

They were powerhouses.

Because I was literally on the phone with Dre as the first one selling out, with Dre saying when do I have the second show? They're asked me about a second show. Hold On, I'm checking ticket Master. There's still sea available. Hold on, well guess what. They just sold out the first one. Go ahead and make that call. And he goes, yeah, that one's a powerhouse too. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, I said, Dre, wait wait, I said, dude, you just did Hawaii for us.

You just did this.

I would not be mad if it was a neutral show, Like, you don't have to do that for us, you know what I mean? Like, I know that's going to put you in political hot water with the other stations, right, Like, I appreciate what you did, but I'm not trying to fuck your shit up.

And he was like, fuck, damn, click powerhouse, you.

Know what I mean?

And that was how the relationship was done.

And so I was literally in every sessions we were, and we were basically the radio because we had so many stations.

Would something like that affect because EMUs at that time is a lot bigger than what it is obviously, would it end up? Benbah would like a decision like that affect? How still dri did nationwide a clear channel?

Well?

Really, you have to also have to remember we had Power on six Hot ninety seven thirty two stations and Mint we had Power ninety two in Phoenix.

Oh we had owned bis. No, you're right, Emmis was that fucking we were a beast.

You especially if you were a hip hop artist?

Oh yeah, you had and we were breaking the record.

Yeah, you're right.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Okay, so for instance, format you don't wears off.

So let's go back to joh rule between me and you for instance, So after Hallahalla, I break between me and you, and I'm in the video and I pop my collar and it's a power one on six logo.

Okay.

In the video walking with Shade checks and Kevin Lyles gets on the phone and he's like, God, damn it, Damien Radio One, which owned the Beat and all these others. They're gonna drop all Clear Channel whatever it is. They're gonna drop all of our records across the country. Because you're in the video with a power one on six logo and I'm like, blurre it just blur it and that.

Was that is it blurred? Yeah?

So I mean it was my suggestion. Nerves like fuck them.

I then dropped my record, you know what I mean, Damien's been loyal, so drop the record. But see, even like with the street shit and you know, all of this kind of stuff. I mean, I knew everybody, So everybody just knew that guy's untouchable, you know what I mean, if something happened, you wouldn't know where it came from.

Made with Jaw and brought Jaw to the table.

And then Tommy said, well, okay, well I'm gonna make JA do this record with Jennifer Lopez to fuck Mariah. But it put me in the middle of it. And IRV came to me and he goes, what do I do. We've never been offered two hundred and fifty five hundred thousand dollars for two songs, you know what do I do? I said, you do the fucking song. And they came to me and they said, well are we gonna play? Steve called me into a meeting and he goes, well,

So I saw something you said.

I didn't know because I had always sat with Shade Schist, your artist.

Who signed to MS Broadcasting.

Which is crazy to think that. So I start producing records from right, it'd be like if like Apple had like a record label or so.

Rick Cummings comes to me and he says, look, there's all this outside money that you're making, and I was like, no, I didn't charge for for I still believe I'm not accepting any money for production. Like when I produced records, I'd say, no, I'm not taking any money because I.

Don't want to.

You're THEOL program directory and I don't a music director.

A music Steve Smith was the program direct you were.

But you were controlling the music of Power.

Of six yet, so I never wanted it to be.

And that's why I wasn't the program director of Power one oh six Okay, because I was producing records. I did not want to be the final say right, okay, clear, got it, so cover in your ass and my deal went through the FCC.

When I renegotiated my deal.

When I started producing records, I contacted the FCC through my attorney and said, is this a conflict of interest that I'm producing records and hold this possession. They said, as long as you are not the final say, then it is not a conflict of interest.

Ah.

So Shade is somebody that I met, you know, just on the and we'd hang out on the weekends and do records and you know whatever whatever, just as fun producer, you know what I mean. Mariah Carey says to me one day, Hey, what else.

Do you do?

I said, oh, you know, play with beats, you know, and da da da da. Oh send me a tape.

You know.

Well, one of them became I still believe, you know, with her Crazy Bone in the Brath, the first record I ever produced, shout out of Mariah, thank you for giving me my shot, you know, all of this kind of stuff. So they see that, and Rick comes to me and goes, well, you produced on Jah Rule. You did this record with Mariah Carey, Like, you know, are they making offers for labels? Like you know, we want

And I'm like what.

And it was that simple, like you make some records with some kid, right, And I'm like, yeah, Shade, that's my friend. He's like, well, he's the artist. Go find out if you can get him a deal. And I'm like.

Okay.

So I go and I ask Fred Davis, who's Clive Davis's son, who was my lawyer. I said, what do you think? He goes, send me four songs and call me, you know, in a week. So I go and I make Where I Want to Be? Okay, I put Shade on it. I go and make a song of Corrupt, another song of Corrupt, a couple other songs you know in KG from Naughty by Nature. So when they gave me the beat for Where I Want to Be, you know, he produced the beat, I just put the vocals on it.

And by the.

Way, IRV Gotti says, they'll give us another you know whatever, forty fifty grand to give him the Nate Dog song that we're not using. And this other song that I did with jah Rule called Life Ain't a Game. But I'll do it under the MS deal because I don't want to, you know, I don't want to, you know, look like I'm taking the money for producing and I'll just do it all everything that I'm doing under MS, you know what I mean, outside you know whatever.

Whatever.

So they're like, yeah, great, well Where I Want to Be comes out, it's the number one rap single in the fucking country, and London Sire goes bankrupt and I'm like, shit, what do I do?

So they say, but.

You guys already got the seven to fifty right, Yeah.

So and the single's out and it's all over the place. So I say, look, I'm not going to put Shade out. Let's just call it a Domesic Presents album and say it's just you know, a one off whatever whatever.

And then I was just presenting a.

Bunch of artists because that's what Flex does on his mixtapes or you know whatever whatever, So let's just call it that. That way, it won't burn the artist's name, and it just it'll fall on me and we'll just keep moving. And then MCA pops up and says, we'll give you a million dollars and I'm like what. And they're like, we'll give you a million dollars for Shade Shist,

And this was so all that money was going to MS.

Yeah, they say fifty cent was the first artist to get a million dollars.

No, Shade Shist was.

One point seven when it was all said and done, two million between two albums.

That's crazy. I mean, how much of that did he get to keep? Huh? How much of that did he keep? Though?

Like what was his like, what was his deal?

No, he got the regular artist deal.

He got like what twenty five to fifty grand up front for each project, you know, something like that. So he did all right, amis was eating Oh they were eating crazy because not only that, but I was giving them all my production I was doing.

Dude, you got to think about it.

This the Drey and Snooper union promotion, right, think about that alone. They were selling it as packages to the rest of the country under the consultancy and taking their tax on it. Do you know what I'm saying, the two power Look when Dre said they were the two powerhouses in Los Angeles, you don't think the sales department sold that and made like thirty million each one.

And then if you're the consultancy, you can say.

Hey, you know, we'll fly you in if you're in Rally, North Carolina and we're you want to you want your folks to go.

To Why I made a lot of people rich. Let's just say that.

Do you regret moving in that way? No?

Do you know why? My grandma raised me and I looked her in the face till the day she died.

I just think in terms of the MS thing, it's.

Like, I don't give a fuck because I never did this for money. I did this, Yo.

There's a funny story about doctor Dre. Doctor Dre was on stage when they were at the two thousand and one reunion, they walked out on stage right and I took off. I said, my job is done. I took off my pass and I went to the front row. I started losing my fucking mind. Doctor Dre almost falls over the monitor looking down, going what's wrong?

What's wrong? Right? You know what I mean?

Like, and I'm sitting there just going like, what are you talking about? Everything's right? He's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, oh shit. He thinks like I'm trying to get his attention. Like, so I ran to the back of the thing to watch. Right after the show, Dre walks up to me and he goes, Yo, what what the fuck was that?

What was a sound?

Fucked up? What happened?

I go, Bro, you think I did this because I wanted to make money? I said, bro, I wanted to see the fucking show, you know what I mean? So no, I don't regret shit because I know I can sleep at night and I know my Grandma raised me right, and know what, Look, I don't care what the fuck the narrative is. I have never taken an artist dime from a motherfucker.

I have never done anything that is not right for hip hop.

And when I came back and when she died January sixth, by January eighth, I was back in California. When I got here, I turned on the radio and when it was like a dad coming home off of vacation and the kids trashed the motherfucking house. When I left, DJ Quick had the very first independent deal through Fontana where he owned his master's and eighty percent of the revenue

That's all me crazy.

So I said, here we go, and I said, now the artist is straight. I had enough power to create the independent deal for the artists where they own their own fucking masters, they're getting a higher eighty percent of the revenue, and the fucking I was pissed when I got home.

Let's just say that crazy.

And I went, okay, so this is the narrative, this is what's going on Hi. Then I hit that little button on Instagram and here we are.

So let me ask you this, like you're obviously, you know, break down because you left powerwin oh six on your own, will.

Or give me? Give me because I know.

You would win it because I saw you you pretty much wud to go work with Mariah.

Right, I'm not gonna get in the Ryan story. That's way too long. Will be here all night. But what happened was is when they brought in Jimmy Steele and vow Mackie. Okay, Mackie, this is two thousand and two ish one ish whatever. Everything had already happened, the drad Snoop stuff, and you know all of that history, and you know all the big promotions. We're already number one and we basically went number one before any of these motherfuckers got there, right, So they come in and.

The first thing that I noticed is Val says.

The DJ or the mixers, they should be paying us because they're going to Hollywood and getting all these gigs a cut of that, and why should I mean they should be paying us? And I'm like, Yo, this bitch don't get it. And we started it for the love of hip hop, you know what I mean. And I start to realize that that's not the game anymore. This is now corporate, right, And my first meeting with him, she looks at me and goes, I can't equate you to a number.

What do you do here? You're like what?

And I'm like what do you mean?

And they're like, what, you picked the songs or something, and I'm like, oh, okay, so this is how this is going.

Jimmy Steele comes in from an AC.

Station, the Cougar and Dallas, and I said okay, and he's like, oh, I hear you're the most important person at the station, but I don't understand what you do.

And for instance, before them, they brought in Mike Tierney.

Okay.

Mike Tierney comes in, stays about a week. At the end of the week, he goes, dude, what did they expecting me to do here?

Babysit you? And I'm like, what do you mean?

He goes, well, you're making all the decisions, you're doing all the promotions, like I mean, they hired a babysitter.

And he just and then he goes. He just leaves.

He doesn't resign, doesn't do nothing, just fucking leaves. So Val Macki comes in and says, Yo, anybody heard from Mike Tierney And I'm like no, and he's like, well, he hasn't showed up for a week. And I'm like, I don't know. So I finally get a hold of Mike Tierney and goes, Dude, that bitch don't know what

We'll just leave it at that, Okay.

So they call their friends at the LA Times and they plaster on the LA Times airplay raises disclosure issue and they say I'm more powerful than Radio Disney and that Shade Schie is my artist, and I'm getting all this money from Mariah Carey and all these people in dah da da and blast me on the fucking thing. Rick Cummings doesn't back me up. He doesn't say Shade like really like that, go out there and bang and

Okay, you don't know what you're doing.

You're my new babysitter, and this bitch is crazy, all right, So I'm like whatever whatever. So then they come to me and he says to me, He goes, We're going to flip the country station and make it MEGA, and I'm like, no, I don't think you should do that because then it would be an upper demo R and B station, which would take our upper demo at Power one oh six. Ah, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, okay, you do that, we're going to have a problem.

Nah.

And by the way, I rented a spot on the stick and I'm like, what, I rented a spot on the antenna. We're getting like five thousand dollars a month from another station that's going to come on the air. And I said, well, we're x percentage Hispanic in Los Angeles. You don't think whatever they put on that signal is going to come at us because we're the number one Latino rhythmic station. The beat is a black station, so you don't think that's going to come right at us.

And then it was Thanksgiving.

Between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I go home have Thanksgiving with my grandma and she falls down putting down. She was getting out the she was putting away the Thanksgiving stuff, and she was taking down the Christmas stuff, and she fell and I just said, okay, I'm done. I said, from now on, I'm taking care of Grandma. Remember when I said, Look when I was a year old, I was abandoned on her doorstep. When I was seven years old. I told her, you take care of me. Now I'll

Take that.

Just stay the fuck out of the street.

And I start producing these kids, start doing gang intervention what I was doing with Jim and all this stuff at home. My friend Wino comes along, rest in Peace introduces me to Bams and Skippy, and you know that's how it all started. BAM's parents were both incarcerated. He starts staying with us. Next thing, you know, I meet my best friend. You know what I'm saying, start developing him. Yeah, you know what I mean. That's how long it took to develop Bams. I left in two thousand and four

Rap so four o five And when you leave the station, do you also just like mentally check out from like everything, just all the music.

It just became about Grandma. I literally resigned. And that's why I like, you know, people dislike me so much. You know, is I just I literally told Mariah, I put Mariah with Benny Medina and fixed all that stuff. Senator to Atlanta and said, bring me back an usher record. Have Jermaine just do we belong? And that was we Belong together, set her up with Benny Medina and said bye, then power one oh six. Obviously you guys are the Titanic at this point, I can't even do anything with that.

Bye, you know.

And Drey and Snoop, it was just like they were already doing what they were doing.

You know.

The last thing I did with Dray and Snooper in that group is Eminem calls me up and says, do you know fifty cent? It's like, no, he goes, I need to do a kmart shoppers on Power one oh six, And.

I'm like, what's that meaning?

He goes, I need to go on Power one oh six and say somebody find me fifty cent. That was the last thing that I did, I think in that click, you know. And so then I just walked away from everything and it became about my grandma. My dad, would you know, was still a biker, he was drunk, you know, their mom whatever, whatever, you know. But my little brothers ended up coming living with me. So I ended up raising my little brothers and taking care of my grandma.

Do you know what I'm saying.

So if there was a concert like Little rob would come through Santa Barbara or something like that, and all the kids would get excited that I'd make a phone call the fingers and say Hey, could you hook this up?

You know what I mean?

Because the kids want to go. Yeah, that was the extent of it.

That's crazy.

Were you able to parlay your production stuff into like pubs situations or no?

Because every cent that I made during my record time, you have to remember, first off, I made it the height of my career of power one o six, I was making two hundred and fifty grand, maybe three hundred. I never took the only money that I ever took was to fix glitter, and that was like two hundred and fifty you know what I mean.

So I probably made five hundred.

But most of the people around me were embezzling and doing all kinds of crazy shit anyway, So sure you know, I literally nighties are crazy, yeah, you know, but you know I had little royalties like mix.

Your Power Summing I heard was nuts. You don't even know. Oh no, I've heard. I heard there was like a room full of fucking dude.

There was all kinds of shit.

But you know, but you know, you would you go to Obviously I went to all of them gap But that's the thing about you know.

The lookers are real thing? Oh hell yeah, yeah, I mean it was part of the whole, you know.

Like I heard if you went to mix some power somewhere back in the day, like and they were just a room and like everybody was fucking like, yeah, go grab you a bitch the l I.

Know what any of those you know.

Someone asked me about Puffy the other day, and someone asked, you know, did you ever see anything or did you ever go to those parts?

No, it's just not who I am.

I did.

I went to work. When the job was done, I went home.

Yeah, I mean.

And the thing with Puffy too is like I know hell of people that have been to ditty parties. It's not like just because you went to a diddy party.

Let me tell you this did He looked out for me a lot, you know what I mean? And I'm not look what happened with Cassie and all that shit. Of course he deserves whatever, you know, whatever, whatever, But and his kids don't. By the way, I agree, do you know what I'm saying, Like, don't treat the sins of your father. I love Quincy. Quincy and I talk a lot, you know what I mean. I love his son Christians. Another friend of mine, Miles Gaines, works with with with Christian a.

Lot, you know what I mean.

Like, so you know, I look whatever whatever, and I love and.

Let me just say daughters that are in high school.

But check this out.

When my grandma had to have knee surgeries, right, Puffy and I were supposed to have a meeting, and I said to Puff, I can't go. I got to go to Santa Barbara. I gotta go do this thing. You know, my grandma's in the hospital, so what's wrong? How her needs done?

No?

Da, He's like, oh no, no, go ahead, go ahead.

What hospitals someplace, cottage hospital, you know whatever went dude. When I got from LA to Santa Barbara, the whole floor was buzzing, and I'm like, what the hell's going on? Flowers everywhere and all this stuff, and nurses or two nurses are in there like taking care of grandma, and Grandma's like smiling and shit, and I'm like, the hell just happened? And she's like, Puffy called and I was

And that's how I met Benny Medina.

So fast forward when he left Jennifer Lopez right after Glitter with Mariah Carey. I knew him through Will Smith too, So I just said, perfect thing to do here is put Benny and right together.

That sh it's crazy.

And did jay Z's first number one too, put jay Z and Riah together for Heartbreaker.

Come on, bro, we don't play over here.

What do you? What do you?

What are your thoughts nowadays when you hear you know, LA radio, like, what are your thoughts? Just radio in general? Obviously you were a part of an era of radio that.

Was why do you think I came back so tough?

I was just gonna just come back and hang out, and you know, slowly get back, you know, to figure out what I wanted to do. My grandma just died two months before that, Rest in peace, angel. My little nephew dies overdoses. My dad died the year before. When I came back. Two weeks after that, when I from getting home, my dog dies, you know, the poodle, Grandma's poodle, realizes that she's dead.

She guys. You know, thank God for bam skipping.

My family, my friends, Gabe, you know, everybody, his wife, Talia and everybody that you know. When I got I was a wreck when I got back, right, you know what I mean?

Like, come on, that's my it's granny, you know what I mean.

Like the last five years I spent in Louisiana just hur and me in the house, being a full time caregiver.

That's it.

We didn't really have internet like that because in rural Louisiana, a town of two hundred, it's a cloud in the sky. You don't get fucking internet, you don't get direct TV. So it's just me and a ninety six year old lady just sitting there rapping. But that's my dog, that's my grandma, that's the homie. You know what I mean like, so we had a blast, we made it the best of anything, you know what I mean?

So I whatever.

So I get back, I hear all this shit, I'm like, God, what the fuck did y'all do?

Like?

And I just start tearing off, like what do I think of it? I think, dude, the same Rick is still in.

Charge of of power.

Oh yeah, you don't know who the consultants are? Rick and Jimmy.

Yeah, I know.

Jimmy was a consultant.

They ad into what two years right, because.

No one will zones it now and yeah they're.

Okay'm gonna shut up.

I don't want to listen. They want to be negative.

Their leadership, you know. And I'm real tight with the man. That's my dog.

Look, I love I thought into it from a mixture into the music.

That kills the PD. Now great, Yeah, but they didn't have a PD for a while, and it was like, why what't you guys?

Okay, but look at the Hot ninety seven's ratings right now and tell me that was a good move.

Yeah, I am not hip two Hot ninety sevens ratings, So I can't tell you.

Okay, but I'm going to leave it at that. I'm just gonna say radio is not programmed correctly. And you have to understand the reason why we have not had a hit in the fifty one years of hip hop or fifty years anniversary of hip hop is because only twenty six percent of Americans have in inner city neighborhoods and low income areas and rural areas like I came from, have.

Data plans on their phones.

Right, So they're not sitting on TikTok, they're not sitting on Spotify. They can't afford YouTube and all of those because they're at work every day.

What do they have?

Ninety six percent of America still listens to the radio. Radio is not breaking records, it's automated. And they fired all the DJs. The record company has fired all the radio promotion people, and radio is programmed like shit.

I think that the main issue, though, is a revenue and radio has fallen off of a cliff.

Do you know why it's fallen off of a cliff? Well, it kind of started.

How many DJs do you know that's under twenty Well in the core demo, how many people you know in the court that are programming radio in the core demo of any of these radio stations. U A few for sure that are in the cord that regionally, not programming regionally, that are sitting in the radio station in the demo, programming to the audience that will go out in the streets and know what that radio station is.

There's a few, there's but I would say, I would say this, I'd see Big Bear.

Maybe you're not in the demo, but he knows what he's doing.

DJN and dj AO, Oh no, those.

Guys, those two look, there's probably.

I think this.

I think you gotta like I think.

Rate they're programming regionally.

Well, they're also programming locally like Amen Handles Real ninety two three.

Oh, I'm not talking about that one, no, no, But what I'm saying is what Doc does is fucking amazing.

What I'm saying is uh, with the revenue in terms of like these networks and the and the buys that used to happen back in the day. It's just when I say, it's not the met like the qumate there anymore. Right, So the cube is falling off of a cliff. The listenership is falling off of a cliff because you know, listen,

Look. But at the same.

Time, you know, like it's very very like you. I feel like YouTube is the new radio because it's free. Spotify you gotta pay for you, got it?

But I feel like radio is free.

I understand that, but radio is like.

Almost like I'll say this, there's kids in gods are popping on TikTok right now, got it? Because they're able to document what's happening.

On their understand most people have access.

To their phone.

Is that fair to say? Let me let me put it to you like this. I'm not going to give them the prescription on this show, but I will tell you right now, there is a way to do it.

No.

I think that radio unfortunately has become overly simplified.

Yeah, Astradized is the way to put it.

As to where there isn't necessarily a one size fits all fixed to every radio station, and at times they're treated like.

Well, if we do it here, we do it here, we do it here. It's gonna work as opposed to you. Remember ninety seven, it was the same thing.

Oh why ninety seven? I was ten, But I'm just saying it was the same thing. It was fragmented like that.

Yeah, and.

I do think you know, radio is heading to a place where most stations are depreciating assets. So you have to figure out ways to try to just increase. Like you said, you figured that out when that lady came in and said, well, I can't put a dollar figure on what you do. And unfortunately, at the end of the day, most of these radio stations are corporately owned.

I understand what you're saying. So telling you there is a way to do.

It, I'm not saying that there's not. I'm not saying that there's not. And again, this is.

We're talking hip hop radio. There's so many formats around.

There's AMFN, but there's a there's a look everybody is. Like you said when we first sat down there, you saw a video of mine where I said, it's absolute, it's either red or blue, Republican, Democrat, blood crypt there's nothing in the fucking.

Middle, right, and you're right about black with radio. The answer somewhere in the middle.

Right between tech and radio.

There is a handshake and there is a way that it could happen very easily. Yeah you're asking, I mean literally, like I know exactly what to do, and everybody would make money.

But the problem.

Is is these corporations are attached to the DSPs, and the DSPs are putting out a narrative that there is no resurrection to radio.

Yeah, no, DSPs, definitely it is in there. It's in DSP's best interest if radio is dead.

Okay, So two days ago, Jermaine Dupree and I were having a discussion on or he was having a discussion and Tega shout out, Tega want taga. The mobster posts a thing tags me and Jermaine and it says I'd like to be broken on radio and immediately gets flagged and taken down.

On Instagram.

It's weird.

Yeah, for what I posted on my thing, take a look at it sometime. But the narrative of I bet you Facebook's going to try to come up with something. But whatever, I would say this, like Spotify doesn't want.

You listening to the radio.

Let's say that a lot of a lot of those platforms do not want you listening to the radio.

I don't disagree with that because it's against their I mean, they want people on their platform.

Why would I want people listening to the radio. I have them listening to my product, and vice versa.

What I'm telling you is if I'm if I'm iHeartRadio, I want you listening to my ship and not listening to a playlist on Spotify. And so that's my thing is like nowadays, like yo, like at the end of the day, like you said, you know, you got you got, you got your answer. It's it's just an interesting time because we've never had to compete with so much. Like as a radio personality, you have to compete with.

All of this. I totally understand what you know.

The the bandwidth grab of people's attention is like everyone's attention is up for grabs.

I totally understand what you're saying.

It's like, well, like I lay down at night and I might put Netflix on or play my PS five, but my wife is scrolling on TikTok just looking at bullshit, you know, and I'm.

Like, yo, let's watch this movie. It's it's it's just in.

All forms of entertainment, man, the bandwidth is up for grabs more than ever, right, So, like, how do you make radios?

And also there's also a very big hole that could be filled. And that's all I'm saying. It might just happen soon.

I look forward to seeing what you got up your sleeve, sir. What else are you working on? Obviously you're working with with BAMS man.

I'm just you know what, I've met soulists and left the gun Play and OTR, and you know, I've had a lot of fun work with them. I have fun doing some projects with Poon, I'm having friends with, you know, just all kinds of fun stuff.

So but really my focus is BAMS.

You know. I enjoy making music. I enjoy doing that kind.

Of stuff, working on some I'm gonna in October, I'm going to be doing a synergy marketing seminar in Los Angeles, Michelle S and Power Talent Agencies helping.

Me put it together.

But what I've basically done with the Instagram thing and giving up the game, I'm going to do with Syracuse University and where Michelle teaches. Uh, they have a campus here in Los Angeles. I hope that everything goes as planned. And Michelle S and myself and Power Talent and kool Aid and.

I just saw you do yesterday. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do some work. Yeah, that's cool. It's one of my best friends.

First time I ever got paid to do anything in radio that wasn't set up a tent was to be a board up to throw her show on Board upped Pocost Pedal.

Locals and when you know when it was funny because when I when quill Aid first brought Pocost Pedal Locos, they said no, And that was one of the first specialty shows. I mean, it's very special to me because it was a project that I got green lighted.

Yeah, I think that, I think right now. The another thing they told me, there was absolutely to that. I told you did that yesterday. I was like, yo, Like the Mexican Rapture is hotter than ever.

Right now, there might be a.

Missing specialty show.

It's definitely something missing.

Yeah for sure. Man, So all right, we'll go follow this guy. You know, appreciate some of the stories.

Didn't mean I know you got some crazy stories, oh crazy.

Many more? Would you ever write a book or anything like that?

I did write a book. You didn't write by association. And you know what's funny is I wrote Guilty by association and you know it. It was like twenty twelve, fourteen. But as soon as I said I was writing a book, you know, they said, oh, it's going to be a tell all on my Riah Kerry always going to get

For people who aren't aware. What was your relationship with Mariah for the people who don't know, obviously outside of working with her.

Uh, that's an interesting question. We were.

Anything that you could say happened, you know, whether it be friendship, whether it be working, whether it was dating, whatever the fuck it was.

It all went down.

Yeah, we were best friends and it turned into something really cool that ended up being bullshit. I mean, I started around the time of Glitter. I even introduced her to eminem and went through all of that, and.

She essentially went to working with her to get in romance.

Everything we were in the hall, we were the best friends that ended up in a and then we were both being attacked from two different sides. And when I chose to help her, I went against the system, the Sony system to begin with, do you see what I'm saying. So that's where a lot of the narrative of some of the bullshit started. You know is when I the first Okay, let me I'll tell you one Mariah Carey story. The first time I went to dinner in New York

Said who?

I walk in and Tommy Mottola is sitting there. The first thing out of his mouth that says, so you know my ex wife? I was like, yeah, he goes, you fucking her? That's how that started. And if you know me, you know that, like yo, I'm all about the underdog.

I helped the kids in the street.

If I see somebody you know, first shot, you know, I give them advice. I sit there and give up free game all day on my Instagram. If I see something wrong like that, and especially when it comes to a woman and someone that is a kid a woman, you know, an unfair advantage which I feel this music business is. I sit there and I talk about it. And that's how we became friends. And when glitter happened, she said, look, I need you to help me fix this. So I literally spent the next however long up to

What resulted in you guys parting, if you.

Will, because I said I'm leaving. I'm going home to Santa Barbara to take care of my grandmother. Yeah, and I don't want to be in this situation anymore. Became that was Look, I could not sit there and take care of my grandma and also take care of the highest maintenance artist in the world, and she could not process that.

And then everything became like, for.

Instance, when I said I want to write a book, I get a lawyer, a letter from her lawyer.

I'm like, yeah, make sure, yeah yeah, and I'm.

Like, I put it up.

I thought it was a joke at first, so I made it my MySpace fucking profile picture. And then I find out she thinks that I'm going to go spill her being means like you obviously didn't know me, bitch, right, you know what I mean?

Sorry, you know what I mean?

Like you, I'm the best friend you've ever had, Like I know what really happened, and I've kept all of you, all of these people's secrets, and you're out there talking shit about me.

Bro.

That's what I'm finding out now, because since I've been back, I start hearing.

All this shit. I'm like, oh, that's the narrative. Oh that's what happened.

Oh okay, Like I ain't like you, so I'm not gonna go out there and start spilling shit. But when I see you, let's see you try to say that to me. You know what I'm saying. Let's see what they say when I see you in your face because the dog.

Nah crazy.

Well listen, man, you've had a I look forward to see you obviously have had a legendary run.

Sorry to get serious, I really but let me say this.

When I had breakfast with Big Boy when I first came back, and I love big You know what I'm saying, because great guy, greatest guy on the planet. And when I came back, you know, kool Aid is the first person I sat down with and I was in an emotional director. She said, you just got to keep showing up, keep showing up, just go, just work, do something, and she got me off the couch.

I went and saw a.

Big Boy and Big Boy brought you up, like literally two seconds after.

It was high.

How you're doing and stuff.

Your biggest fan is big Boy, big Man and so and I love.

What you're doing. I watch what you're doing, yo, dude, you're doing it right.

Appreciate it, buddy, Thank you.

And I love the syndication stuff you're doing.

I love all of it.

And you have a and from the people that I run into, you're doing it right.

I appreciate it. Man.

Trying all of.

These other places and some podcasts and stuff. They have the internal stuff whatever whatever. You always keep it clean and I appreciate it. What you're doing for hip hop, I appreciate well.

I appreciate you man. Thank you for pulling up and.

Sharing it, and thank you for what you did for my little brother.

Yeah, because my grandma and BAM's or my grandma and Whino and sweet Pea is the little doggie is happy as shita.

Know what I mean.

Yeah, big bands and big skips.

We'll look be on the lookout for your summit obviously if you're not following this guy with your igs with people, because you've you've been giving out a lot of dope game on online.

At the Mizza on Instagram, Uh the Mizza Presents on on YouTube and.

At the Mizza on Twitter or Shade Tristet no idea.

At some point, you know, when I did it was funny when we did what would you Do? That's where the split was when we did what would you Do? Uh, he did not like that song. He said, I said, it's Mariah Carry and Nate Dog. You know, you know, when we were talking about another artist and substances and stuff, like that. I think at that point in his life, you know, there was some stuff going on and he said I don't like that song, and I was like, he goes, you write it, I'll do it.

I was like, all right, So I wrote what would you do?

Right?

Crazy?

I laid the reference vocal.

He said, I'll do the third verse, you stay on the first verse and whatever.

So that's me rapping what.

Would you do? That's fucking crazy and.

Cruising and well, forget it, crazy man.

Last question, just random?

Was there a few records I wrote that nobody knows for a lot of artists during that era?

That's crazy.

Who's the biggest what if could have? Should have would have been artist? In your opinion?

What do you mean?

Like, which artist do you feel like had everything that it took to be just massive but either got in their own way or shit got cut sure or.

I'd never put someone on blasts like that.

I'm not about put somebody on blasts, like you know, I think to myself, like, you know, I just you know, but there's there's artists like in my like not even like necess I will I'll take out there, you know what I was talking about this, I'll take out the narrative of getting in their own way as hard as you think should have been bigger.

Okay, Nate Dog rest in peace because if he had lived, none of this ship would be happening.

Yeah.

And Andhale, his son is a fucking beast.

Yeah yeah, Nay, I mean shit, dude, Nige is a beast.

Yeah, Loson, Nate Dog just changed like what a lot of people's radio records would sound like for years.

And I don't hear it enough. Nate Dog rest in peace. And I love you.

Yeah. Shout out to Dimiss.

Appreciate you man, Thank you, sir, Yes, sir, Fire, thanks you.

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