#44 - Big U

love to you. Uh we got a dope episode, man, I want to give a shout out to Big You, someone who is uh notorious figure in hip hop, La legend, somebody who found Nipsey Hustle, somebody who is legendary in the streets of LA and someone who is a part of a new show on FX. It's called Hip Hop Uncovered Really dope. Actually, the second week just aired on

Friday of last week. The final two episodes aired this coming Friday, and and it is a really dope behind the scenes look at some of the more important, under underrated figures in hip hop that we've met not necessarily know about, and Big U is one of them. So go check that out. If you're on Hulu, you could go watch that on the Hulu app catch up. And then this Friday, the final two episodes will air. Hip hop uncovered on FX, so we had to sit down with Big U talk about a whole lot. Yo, I

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Podcast with the Legend Big You is here. Well, se Man, thanks for having me, Thank you for coming. I feel like it's long, long, long overdue man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't really did know a lot of interviews into up until right now. Yeah you got you know this. I watched yesterday. I went to uh to uh Mele's Diner and Sherman Oaks and watched the first Was it the first full episode or was that two episodes? That was only one? It goes so fast, right, it was

only that's the only episode one. So this FX show, it's it's hip hop uncovered, right, hip hop uncovered, Yes, sir, hip hop uncovered. It follows you and four others as kind of behind the scenes factors in hip hop now for people who aren't familiar with big U, I think that if people were to just google big You, they're like, Okay, big U is a big a gangster from LA. I

don't I don't want to. I I don't want to put nothing on you that you know what I'm saying on camera, but you know, explain to to the people who aren't familiar with with who you are what you do, kind of like, why is there an FX show that centered raction? Man? We pitched this show Jimmy Jimmy Chris came to me, uh four years ago with the idea for a show. And that's at the time that everybody was starting doing shows and E. E E. T had hit the It was that love and hip hop and hit real big, So

everybody was trying to get shows. And I had already done like several documentaries. What people don't know about me is how much work I have done in film and projects and I had. I wrote and co acted and acted in Forced of Execution with Ving Range, Danny Treio, and Steven Sagau. I co wrote that with the guy I got banged out of that didn't get my credits, but I did jam messag Jay, two Turn Troubles and

Microphone Documentary. I produced several different films. I managed Ving Range for like seven seven eight years from baby Boy. So it's just a lot of people never knew the work that I've done, and so when I present projects, it's crazy because uh, filmmakers are excited to see big U rap music. It's scared to see their our owner. Is he gonna rob us? He is he out to

get something? And and it's crazy because I'm more comfortable in the in the in the area of making TV shows and projects because I can go in the room with filmmakers and people who produce in that area and they see me as a story, they see me as they like, Yo, you can have a mini series. Yeah, and that's and their thing is that. But if I go in with people who do music, it's the oh, he's the blue Shita thug, or he come to rob us, and they don't understand that I make most of my

money producing shows and that's even doing concerts. And so that's what helped me get this done because people seeing the vision. Yeah, I think it was like overdue. I remember, I think I want to say me and Head were talking about it, maybe like a year or two ago, just like when is the big you like Netflix show coming,

not even like a documentary like someone plays you. You know what I'm saying, and like just follows you through your life and shit like but you mentioned people like on the wrap side of things, like you definitely have a stigma. Like you said, when it comes to the hip hop world, people they might be intimidated or they might be like, oh shit, a big us around like what's going on? Type shit? Yeah, talk about your I mean obviously for people who don't know, man, I mean,

we'll get it. We'll get into all of that. But you know, you you found Nipsey. What was that O four, O three? Oh oh no, I came home. You came home four, So it was like five oh six, O seven. Was Nipsey already working with Steve no Oka brough Steve on Okay, Okay, I'm brought Steve on. So I come home on O four and in O four I miss Steve because Steve the time was dating my wife's niece. Okay, So that's how I know Steve. I don't know Steve

from music. I know Steve. I bet I met him in a music sitting at a concert and I didn't have no artists at the time, so I met Steve. He was kind of having some kind of conflict with Sugar overseeing the N word, and I came home in two thousand and four, so when I met Steve, he was kind of standing on was like whoa what something like, what's something in a big U? He was like all right, he was like ready to go, and I'm like, what

was that. I had no clue about, you know, the N word to see because I wasn't bresst to growing on social media and all that shit yet. And so that's how me and Steve met, And then he called me or reached back out to me after he realized that I was saying that my wife he knows he's dating my wife's niece and they had been together for like three four years. And then he was like, oh wait a minute, man. He was like, man, he fuck music, man, you don't want to give a shit to do something else.

And I'm like, yeah, right. But then I was messed with SUG. So I had my run with SUG for a while and managing Corrupt, and then when Corrupt left SUG. That was early early on that was. That was early. That was like in the early nineties. Well, you got locked up in ninety one, right now, I got locked in ninety one, and then come back to two thousand and four. So when did you start working with Corrupt? That was I started with Corrupt in ninety, like eighty nine,

nineteen eighty nine. By eighty nine ninety I met Corrupt. So that was technically was that technically before death Row? Right, it was definitely for death Road. That's why I said the death Row thing wouldn't have happened and that and amongst other things. And then I had la Quan, So actually my first artist wasn't Corrupt, nor did my first artist I ever dealt with singularly was Laqwan popeo q

we had. He had a gold selling album at the time, the b Time, Okay Okay, and he came to me in the Foxhill Mall and asked me to manage him. And he was about fifteen to sixteen at a flat top and he walked to me, no, no, no, no no, Well Lakwan Poppy q Kenny Keepen. He was the first one I ever dealt with. So he came up to you at the moment he came up to me and the mall was like, man, don't want you to manage me? And I'm like no. The first thing he said to

me was crazy. He said he you were for my father, right you big here. I'm like, I don't work for your father. I never worked for your father. Who's your father? Then he said, mister Green, and I'm like, oh, reverse that. I have done work for your father. I have a great deal of respect for your father. But his father was in the FEDS on his way to the fair. We knew he had got pop. I was his I was his father's young boy. I was one of his fathers,

you know. Like he called me like, you're handle some shit. And then now I'm seeing his son and he got this flat tip he face cleaned, and I'm like, you got a song. I ain't never heard the song. And then when he right, when you know what somebody tell you about something, now you start hearing it everywhere. And so then he called me back, came to my house. He like, man, I'm gonna show you how to do it. And I'm like, well, you got to show me what the fuck to do, because I have no clue on

how to manage nothing. None of that. So then he started going to He started taking me to his little shows, going to his video shoes. I was going in and then after a couple of months, now I'm still going in and out of town hustling, and his shit got even bigger. So I was seeing when he came back to town. But then now I'm going I'm going to the to the soda, getting my bread, coming back, and so I was still messing with him. Then after about

you know, something happened and my crew got hit. So I was kind of sitting at home and my broomfield came to me and was like, I got a kid named Corrupt. I want you to meet him. And so I had the bread at the time, and his brother had bread too, but he was like, man, come on, boy, help. That's when I met Corrupt, and I started moving with Corrupt, and it was kind of fast man. So it was

like it was like a labor of love. But and how me and Corrupt relationship built because to me, it was like I didn't know we even had a relationship because I really hadn't done nothing for him. I wasn't playing on signing him till my label to delict to the table. We actually never got to the paperwork to even get it done, but it was like he was signing. And so I seen Corrupt one night going to go do a lick with the homies, you know, going to go.

I pulled him out the car. I called him. He tells the story all the time, and that established us right. And then we would be in the garage, clown every vs. Clown and wrapping. We all playing. And it was crazy because I got a letter. I was on I was on my sixth year in prison, and I got a letter and it had three thousand dollars on it. So when we get your mail, they'll send you like sometimes they even send you a pictures first, or they'll send you a card that you got money. And they sent

me the letter. Let me know, have money so I can go fill out my draw. So I got three thousand dollars and nobody never sent me three thousand dollars. And then it was on lockdown. So I think, uh, four or five days letter pictures came and it was no letter, was just one thing in there and it was like I love you and Corrupt, no letter, no nothing that was it. And it was just a gang of pictures and I'm like, damn, So he sent you

the three bands, sent me three bands some pictures. So this was like ninety four ninety five, No, this would have been ninety six ninety seven. It was so this was like I was already in like because I wasn't at Calipat no more. I was at what was I It was like ninety six ninety seven Crups already you know established, Yeah, because it was before a week of Freaky came out. Yeah, that was after he left and did the answer thing and the corrupt right, Okay, yeah,

you're right, you're right. So it was then he was still with dev By that time, dog food was already out dog pounds. It was before dog food because he had got some when it was before. So when was that? I think that was ninety five ninety five. That's when he shit. That's when he hit me crazy and then he then we came off lockdown and I called my wife. My wife like, did you get the letter from Ricky?

And I'm like yeah, you got the win And I'm like yeah, I want this store and everything, and I'm like wall yeah, And I called him and then shortly after that he brought me a cell phone like he I had like the first cell phone in prison. Technically that was contraband, right, Hello, that's a record label, by the way, we contryband. No. So, uh so you when you got out of jail, you said you were rocking

with Sugar. Yeah, and so explain to me that because because you know Sugar is a very uh blooded he's a well no, no, he's just a you know people. People either have amazing things to say about him or they got very polarizing, you know what I'm saying. So when you got out, well, well my little brother got killed first, my little brother got killed at the studio. Were Corrupt now corrupt key rocking all them? So that kind of like Sugar was in jail. I was in

jail yet not that he was. That kind of like pondered us together, like when my little brother got killed, Sugar, because Corrupt wanted to go back to death row. He asked me, can to go back? And should he go back? And I'm like, yeah, get your money, like you can't else bro back. So that that's when he went back to death row after he left Entree, And that kind of pissed Snoop and Dads. I remember there was that there was that double XL cover with Corrupt and left

eye was on it and shut. Yeah, it was like it was like when Corrupt like went back. Here was that ship. It was probably probably around the time we're talking, because it was it was like it was like the new I think it was when Crooked Eye was rolling with death Row and ship. Yeah, because I wasn't I had kind of was in transition at that time. Then I went to the whole. I did three years and nine months almost four years in the shoes, so I didn't have nothing. I didn't see no from I think

I got on. I got to January two thousand and four, So we go back four years from there is when my life stopped. What did you if you don't mind sharing, what what? What? What did you end up in the whole for? I knocked somebody eye out. It was a conflict and and we had altercation in his and his eye came out. All my cousins are in prison, and I've I've been thoroughly educated on how mentally exhausting being

in the hole can be. Can you kind of like give us some of that, because, like I know, because for people who don't know, it's twenty three hours a day lockdown. No, it's twenty four hours a day. Because the way Corkoran's Shoe did it was you couldn't it was so many people in the shoe that you couldn't get your You couldn't get your one day out to shoot.

It was too many bodies. So they would make you wait and like you start the seals, and then you would get eight hours out the seal one day a week, and that would count for your so called one hour out the sale a day. Wow. So and then we would be we would be we would be in these we we would be in these dog kettles. So they had lined up a bunch of dog kettles up and down in a row, and they put the little toilets in it. So you go in there. They put all

the inmates in there, just your draws, your shoes. You can't take nothing else out, and you sit out there for eight hours and they could get you take you back. Ring got another group of eight hours. So it's I guess they started this shit like four in the morning whatever. You go be out there from four in the morning till whatever time for eight thousand. So that's how it was. Was that it's crazy because we always hear about like, you know, you're supposed to rehabilitate in prison. That's what

they say now in California. California drop that philosophy. When I was in Cossewors still like they remove rehabilitation off all California state prisons. It's just straight punishment. It's just no, it's just casce racing. They used to when I came in two when I came in two thousand, I came in nineteen ninety ninety one. They said some of the prisons said rehabilitation centers, but they removed that when they remove education, Like they don't offer education no more. Like

you can't get your GD in jail anymore. No, you can get the GED. That's the only thing you can get. They used to offer higher education, you can go to college and get your college course. You can't do none that now. The only thing they offer is things that's conducive to making money for the prison. So the most the thing that makes the most money for California prisons optical and you can only get that at San Diego and one other place. So if you get there, you

can make enough money to sent home. That's crazy. Well, let's get back to it. So Sugar night, you got out, you know four? How did you and Sugar that? Because Corrupt was that death road? Okay, So but naturally you're out Corrupt looking out for you, because you know you looked out for him however many years ago. And then Corrupt is there. I come home. Of course I got

go home. I'm gonna mess with Corrupt. And then me and Sugar already been talking since my little brother had passed before that, and so natural when I come home, I messed with him. And I didn't want to be because it was such a it was such a talk with you know, big Us coming on, the big crypt is coming home and all this. So I wasn't on that. That's not where I've been, you know, Like I didn't want to come home and say I'm gonna enhance the Crypt card. And now I didn't want to come home

and do that. I want to come home and be a Muslim and be a man and be somebody who could be conducive to us as a people to move forward. And the mood is jonder, and so I felt me dealing with Sug would be stronger and making making us unify then going against because I already had a relationship. My homeboys was with. My homeboys were with My homeboys were already with Snooping Me, Big d was Big Dnning

was already with Snoop. So I just needed to go and establish a relationship for all of us to be together. And so when I did that, Yeah that's Dwan. He was called them all for me. And so when I did that, I wanted my sons to see that you don't have no enemies as bloods, you know what I mean. And it was important for me to bring bloods and everybody around my sons and around my community so they can see we could be unified. And that was the

key to what I've always been doing. I've always pushed that before you know, moving, you know what I mean. So Sugar was important to me being able to move as a man and being able to show the people that I'm not on no cripping blood shit, right And what you said, like when you got out, you were trying to be on some like community shit, and I

think you've done a good job of that. Man. It's crazy because I feel like you were probably in jail for probably at least the beginning or peak of when the gang bang culture became like commercial as far as like I was in a shoot, Like do you remember there was like a Bloods and Crypts album. I don't even remember that I was. It was like a real thing where it was like it was really like used to like propel record sales and it became second nature.

So like you're in jail and you're like, are you like paying attention to how the shit is blowing up? I did. I was watching because I was watching the culture growth. Yeah. And it's funny because before the East Coast West Coach Beef, you know it was it was it was the Cripson Blood trying to the Christon Blood

album battle Cat and on them. And then at the time there uh my little brother because used to have to get your music sent in from the streets back then, and my little brother sent me Biggie Smalls and Woo Tang Clan oh Wow, and then he sent me all the other stuff that I wanted. So I was like, what the hell is biggie? You know what I'm saying. And I always was tripping off the album cover because my little brother got a picture like that baby dark skinned it all. I'm like, da ain't got the same,

but so I had to. I had the CD. I never listened to the CD. I never listened to Biggie and I never listened to Erin. And then we went on lockdown. So my homeboy, who knew about them, who had just came to jail, he had the CDs. He was finna get rolled up, he was transferring, so he gave me the CNS back. We on lockdown, and I slapped in Woo Tang Clan and that shit went crazy,

and so it was like oooh, thank cleaning. Ain't nothing the fuck, And I was like damn, I slipped up these dudes and the cream, but we was on lockdown, so it's no movement. Then I'm like, man, I slapped in Biggie and I'm like this shit hard at fuck. And that was like my introduction to Biggie. I was Cali. I was at Calipat State Prison, and I was like, damn, the East Coast is back home because the West had

had it, had it for so long. It's like the chronic yeah yeah, And let me tell you, man, it's crazy because people always asking me how long I've been in music. I was fucking music. I remember I pushed the ghetto boys in La, Okay, for anybody else read these Nikes. I was in Minnesota selling dope and one of my homeboys, one of my homeboys from Minnesota, it gave me the tape. No. I was listening to his tape and then I was We was in the car

and I was tripping off. They was talking about read these Nikes, because that's all I used to wear was Nikes back you remember, wasn't number like Nike, Adidas and Converse, and they were something. I read these Nikes. No got hooked on ghetto boys. I went home and I dubbed. I went there back and dubbed the tapes. That's what I used to I came back to LA and I told all the homies, man, the ghetto boys, these niggas is hard. They blew up from there, you know what

I mean? Because our music, if you remember, if you remember back then, we was like game banging to R and B music. Yeah, it was like pop music to Prince. Yeah. And don't even think like even like LA rap back then, like even like if you think before n w A, it was like iced tea. Yeah, it was in the morning. Yeah,

it was you know, like Colors, Yeah, Colors was crazy. Yeah. No, So I want to just ask you, Okay, So the perception I think from the outside looking in is like it would be a good idea if you come to LA to maybe tap been with Big U or to maybe check in with Big U. Is that something that is maybe a bit amplified, because I feel I know that that's not the case, but I feel like that there is like you know, or at least some sort

of it's hella amplified. But I feel like certain people would be good too, you know what I mean, Like, especially if you're from certain genres. I think I think when you from certain genres, you want to check in with that genre because well I get the question all the time, and like, well, the influence well, unfortunately LA is influenced by games, you know what I mean. So if it's certain people you need to check in with

YG whack one hundred whacko. If it's certain people need to check in with Big U. You need to check in with Tone, you need to check it with Magic, you need to check in with the Twins to make your gangster. You need to check in with certain people who're gonna help, you know, how to move in different ways. Who gonna let you know, like you know, like these dudes, what you're claiming and what you affiliated with. They not our enemies at this time, but they could be our

enemies in a day's noticing. We don't even know it, but we know how to move around, you know what I mean. So it's important for me to have a relationship with dudes from every set, from a Tray's, bloods, gangsters, all of that, because we want to show respect. And I feel like people from all the sets give me respect because they see my history, they see my work ethic, they see that I've never if my home was is wrong, I'm gonna say my homeway wrong. I'm not gonna side

with my homeway right or wrong, pied point blank. I didn't do them. I don't do it my kids. I teach my kids do right wrong, you know. But I'm going to support truth and in prison and in thirteen years, the dudes I did time with can come home and vouch for that. You know what I'm like, No, whatever

he said was, he kept his word. So that's what I think gets me strength in LA And the whole time I was with should, we never had one conflict because I just didn't allow it, you know what I mean, not that I could controlling, but you know, sometimes you gotta know how to appeal to a beast, you know what I mean, Like, bro, this, we don't need this.

I would always say, like, you know, me and Heady talks about this, like if if if you're somebody who's coming to LA and you come from that background, from wherever you're from, it's probably a good idea. Now maybe if you're like maybe if you're like you know, post Malone or R and B singer or somebody, you know you're gonna get checked too. Post Malone will get checked. Two. I've been in there with post I've been in I've been in rooms with post. That was just an example.

By the way, I didn't know that he got checked by tell the story. I mean, it wasn't about me. I was just in the room when some dudes wanted to get on post Malone and it was recording, and I happened to New Noice know the people, and we was coming in me and Steve was doing something and we was leaving out. It was my first time ever

meeting him. And sometimes people don't know you could get I could squash shit and don't even know and don't even say nothing because it just was the timing, Like oh, you know what I mean, because that's just the mentality of people. Man Like it's never gonna change because it's gonna always be the halves. There's always to have nots. And it ain't even game related, you understand what I'm saying, because you got game members doing something to their own

gangs in the name of money. So it's not all and it's all. And they asked me the question about hip hop and the gangs in hip hop, where there's always been gangs in music, we just don't we just see it now because our music is the number one giohnt you think back in the day like Frank Sinatra had like, yeah, we just have mafia tis yeah, mafia orders. Right, this is what it is because anybody who's trying to make money, the easiest way to get in it is

in this music. Like, if you got money, you want to put it somewhere, like we don't have no other outlets. That's what this documentary talks about. Hip Hop on Cover talks about when we were hustling and then we eventually took that money to get into something, to try to do something positive. You know, you might have a cousin or auntie. I'm a cousin or uncle, a friend who wants to do music. Okay, what in these studio time I got you? You know, and then it starts going

past that. You start seeing the little jade, You start seeing the hereos, start seeing the dudes making it, making it. And that's what hip hop n told is it talks about us and our struggles in music. You don't hear about us. It's not geared towards the artists. It's geared towards the people behind the artists. Like when I met you, Like for instance, if I had a new artist right now, like with OSBS, my group OSBS Criticality, I introduced them and told them I called you to do an interview

with them. I heard you was coming here. That's hip hop on cover. That's that's why they called us the power brokers because we already had a relationships when you first met Nipsey. Nipsey met you through Steve and me. He didn't have that relationship with you. He couldn't have called you. And what people don't understand is you need those power brokers to help introduce you two people, and then those power brokers have to have a trust in

a relationship that comes from somebody else. When I met Phairy Phil, I don't talk about them, it's all now. And I met Pheiry Fail. I met Phiry Phil and him and Sure was having an altercation at at Male's Diner, and I seen everybody going crazy and Sugar was coming and Pelly Fail was sitting in the restaurant and so me, just not wanting to know bullshit, I go in. I'm like, I'm asking Pail like I don't know. I don't even know who he is at all. I have no clue

he was, And I'm like, bro, what's up with you? Man? Like nothing? Like like he was Sugar. I'm like I am And then he's like, man, what's happening. I'm like, I ain't nothing to help. I'm trying to ask you what's having Like Denny, I said, so, who are you? He tell me on fairly Phil, And I'm like, SOI what's your problem with Sugar? Are he mad at me because DJ Quick dissed him on my show? I said, you got a radio show? Like yeah, So I'm like, I don't make no sense. So I go outside. I

talked to Sugar. I said, bro, why you donna do that? And then he tell me, hold, I'm saying right like it's it ain't fairly for I tell Phil, man gonna just leave, feel like I'm not leaving. I gotta talk to this dude. Man. Yeah, like I don't like, I don't want to walk out. See what happens. No, no, he wasn't saying and that he was saying he didn't want to leave without talking to Shug because he was like, man, I ain't did nothing to him. Now, I was like,

I was honorable to me, like I got to resolve it. Yes, I ain't leaving. I'm gonna talk to the dude. And I said, he's sure, baddy, but he kept it one hundred. So now moving right along, we signed Nipsey I get it fairly fail and I'm like, bro, I got a new artist. Can you play the song? And that's how you that those are relationships. You see what I'm saying. He played bullets, Ain't got no name. He played another couple of songs for me, then he played with how

We Roll? He played this and then so it's me taking my relationships and connections with with my years in this industry and putting it on another artist to become what he becomes. And you've got artists that come up sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old. They don't know who to talk to, they don't know who to be friends with, they don't know none of this stuff, you know what I mean. And I had little homies who didn't even want to do songs with bloods and I'm like, nah, bro, you

gotta do the song. That's crazy. Yeah, now you I mean you think back, just like certain artists that like You're like, man, they didn't like, they didn't work together. It was just because of some politics shits. Not even necessarily they had any personal issues. It was just there were some politics involved. But and so this documentary, even when you go on to Dead you see your debt

deal with Frinch Montana, Nicki Mina's guccu chin. But what does she have to do to get them to these levels to get what did she have to go through to be able to you know what I'm saying? Like she had a history that that affirmed who she was to other people. I have a history from the streets that affirmed who I was, and people want to say it's about bullying when it really isn't. It didn't have shit to do with bully, and they had shit to be people meeting me and then them saying, oh, he

ain't the bully people think he is. He ain't the bully people making out. I've come to different people with songs and they told me that that ain't gonna work. I'm out the door. Let me go find another one. I've asked you all to do stuff, and if it don't work, it don't work. I'm never beating the door down.

I've never beat you all door down. I'll do this, but but if you hear it, that's my reputation, Like he's the bully, He's this, he's that, and I'm like, fuck it, I can't beat it, so I'm gonna join it. Like I guess I am the bully. He talked about signing Nipsey. I mean, obviously, aside from being from the same area, how did you guys, like, how did that end up? You know happening? And you told the story a lot before, so just kind of give us a quick you know, yeah, my nephew TD, I was looking

for artists. TD told me to go get nipped. I wasn't seek Nipped out out of all the people he had already I already been interviewing and talking to. And he was the signing light. He was the diamond in the pilor whatever. It was a diamond. Let me respect to my other homies. He was a diamond in a pile of other diamonds. But he just he just it was a bigger diamond. He was, Yeah, he was. And then he was the VVS VS. Yeah, you know what

I'm saying. And we had made a couple of moves and was trying to move through a couple of doors, and I vastly found out that I couldn't go through these doors. So I when I went and got Steve Lobel, and I went and got Steve that Steve hit the music. Steve felt the same way I felt about the music, and I was like boom. So I signed Nitzy to Unique Music, to my to Aria Miss Astrodome, to my to my label, to Munique Music. And then Steve was

tempercent management and I was tempersent. Masic didn't make no senseence to go get another manager, and so we started pushing on that. So I signed him to. It was signed to a ten year production contract which started in two thousand and nine, which was Ian twenty nineteen. Crazy hello, But I ain't tripping off of that because you know it is what it is. But I do have that, you know what I mean? Wait, so you're your deal with Nipsey was ten years, ten years, a ten ten year,

twenty five percent of publisher to air miss Astronout. Oh wow so O nine twenty nineteen nineteen. So technically Victory lap hello, okay, wow wow yeah, help me okay, Because when I first met nip was I met him in O nine. Actually this was when he was on the Lax Tour. We were on the Lax Tour with the game and I think James, I sent you a song before well I became You know who put me on the nip is Charlemagne Man Charlemagne when he was doing radio on Philly and he was tweeting about bullet Ain't

got no name Volume one. I believe I remember DM and Charlemagne at the time, and that's who originally kind of like I saw his show and I was seeing his ship on the blogs like the now Rights and two Dope Boys of the world. That was late. You already met him before that. I met him in O nine. Yeah, you had already met him before that because he we didn't officially finished the deal assigning him to it, but he had some ship out there, like on the online

he didn't. He didn't have nothing. Nothing. He didn't even know how to he didn't even know how to upload the music yet. You gotta remember, because what if I met him, If I met him in O nine, so that was the la nothing he had. He was on tour with nothing out. No. He just trying to tell you before we did the game tour. Yeah, we had already been messing with nip O seven, right, but I didn't meet him until they got tour. Yeah, because even before the game tour, he had the song with with

the Tupac song. Okay, yeah, on what was the Pox Life? He had Pox Life. I got Fairy to put that on the radio. That song started picking up all around the country and and Pox's mother had it pulled because that wasn't the single they wanted to go. They had Nipsey. They had Nipsey Pack and Light Skinny with the braids from the East Side, Nocturnal No No, No, no, I don't know Chill Beer man. I gotta call him Chill Beer but anyway, he gonna do all the talk about.

But yeah, that song went viral, but even before that, we could just look it up actually, because yeah it was it was Nipsey Tupac and I can't think his name. He's central. He always got central, like Crenshaw on his on his chest. I can't think his name. But anyway, that song was out. And then even before that, before we even did the tooth called seven International was the name of the song. It was Young Dred the Truth,

Young dreda Truth. Now look at when that came out, this was, well, this is on YouTube, so hold on, let me look it up. Yeah, but you gotta remember before that we did I did him with the song with with Snoop oh six oh six. Yeah, and that wasn't even the first song we did Snoops. I did him with Snoop and Nip the Snoop Gangster Life. Yeah. See, I didn't really start. I think the first project that I really tapped in was Bulletain Got No Name, the first one, and then like I really became a fan

of the second one. I think he had the roller windows up. Shit was so hard. But that was later. That was like twenty ten, I think, yeah, oh that was late. Yeah, yeah, that was late. But I met him in the old nine. He came on my show. We did an interview, he freestyled and Steve was there, and uh no, you met him before that. I don't remember. Then we said you music on him before that when he was in Arizona guy, because I was like, we was like, you was popping I there. Yeah, I ain't

getting no, that's facts, but no, but I was. I was gonna yo. So a ten year contract, that's crazy, right when you think of it, right, I was back then, but you yeah, but let me tell you like this, it should never change. And this is the reason why. Because it's one thing to be management, it is one thing to be production. If I'm your production company, you come to me as a kid and you have nothing, and I create your name, and I create you and

help to create you, give you what you want. How is there a number on how long I can make money off of this? Right? Because if I don't do that, what are you gonna do? Then? How what are you gonna do? Because you gotta remember before a nip came to me. He had already him and his brother had already had a deal where they had paid I can't remember the do to distribute their music. He never did

it that came back. I do think that there's a middle ground there because I always you'll notice artists will pop and the people who who made it happen for them sometimes get left behind. You know, Like that's what I'm saying. That happened with Cardi B. You know, there was a guy named Shaft who really blue her make the stallion exactly right. It's like, Yo, you signed the paperwork, and what would have happened if these people didn't believe in you? When they believed in you, you know what

I'm saying. So I only eat for so long and then you go on to be forever. I put in the grant work and now now that it's hot, I mean, I mean it's both ways. It's I mean, you know, like and you'll say ten years, well, god damn it, Like I'm only puposed to eat for ten years. But guess when you make it? You really most people don't make it to after five six years. Yeah, the first the first four or five years is no money coming in. It's all spending, it's all money going out exactly. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. Remember how many people was grinding before that, you know? And then so so example, like just say, nephew, fncy fence it. When I first god with Ni it was in the hood. He had already been uh to drain them. You've already been to different people here trying to go on he was. They was knocking him down because his music was too violent. He was a crip and uh uh he looked like Snoop. So that was like, oh, it ain't gonna work. You

just wanna Snoop. And so when I come, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna take me and we re gonna recook this. You understand what I'm saying. So now it's the same way with everybody in this documentary. Everybody in the documentary had the same exact thing cooking. Somebody being there, putting their money behind them, putting their name behind them, saying this is the one, and then boom. You know what I'm saying, be cause you don't just get to walk

through the door and say I'm here. Now I'm hearing that, right, you know what I mean? How many people really did that Neil naz X Soldier boy, a couple of people. The Internet is kind of changed. I think the Internet's is the variable that's made made it possible for just some ship to go viral. And now you can't even do that now because now there's so many people paying to get fired me you on YouTube and paying to get this Spotify. Now you can't you can't pay. You

can't even tell it something is really organic. That's some real shit, you know what I'm saying. So it's a lot of it as optics. It's like, yo, for somebody, get me serious. Let's you know, we got to make sure the numbers on Spotify. I gotta have someone googles my shit on Spotify. It's gotta be a certain number of monthly listeners. And now they give you a kit. Okay, if you pay fifteen hundred, you'll get one thousand view for sure. You get this, you get that, you get this.

But what about me being able to say look, kid, you do interviewing me, being able to say black? You do interviewing me being able to say so sudden such getting you know what I mean? But what's the value on that? Oh? The value is don't only get to ride for so long, No bro, I don't think that's business me myself. So I kind of moved out of that and when to doing I saw, like I said, when I stopped doing NI, I started managing ving Rains,

I managed being Rains, and I started doing shows. So it made me open up to dealing with more artists. And I wasn't dealing with one artist no more. I was doing shows. I was making more money doing shows because I hadn't made not one down with it. Wow, you know what I'm saying. I was. I was booking shows, booking talent coming in, and I'm making fifteen twenty thousand dollars when an artist range No Van, I was making way more. Only you're talking about you were talking about

just booking concerts. Booking concerts like putting the bread behind brings some people out, doing the promotion my own concerts, getting numbers I might have. I might hireh at whiz like, whiz, what's your number for booking? And then look, I'm gonna put ten thousand on it, or what's your number for this? I'm gonna put five thousand on it, And he like, okay, if you get my number up that high. And so what people did never understand is I never cut an

artist number ever. I never cut an artist number for nothing. Only for radio shows, because radios you do different. What's different. Every artist I ever met and they ever did business with me, they give me a number, and I'm tending what their number is. I'm gonna get the deal higher than that because I know the promoters who are gonna really pay. And that's the relationship you want with Big U, because I'm gonna make sure you get paid your money. When when when the Migos came, I had the Amigos

book for three shows at fifteen thousand apiece. Danny Glover goes on the Grammys and they asked him what is he listening to He says, I'm listening to them me bad and Booze. Yep, it was over after that, and yep, the number one from fifteen thousand to one hundred. Yeah, I remember I was trying to book them at that time. Yeah, I'm aware, but I was the only one who who they was let booking them because I had a relationship with him through Atlanta. From Atlanta, you know what I mean. So,

and that's what that's what that's what you know. We do as power brokers in this in this industry. It ain't it ain't violence, It ain't you know, it ain't the bullshit. But I might know the promoter you don't want to deal with. I might know the promoter who ain't gonna pay you. I might know. Look, you don't want to charge radio. You want to do this? No, you don't want to take thirty of your homeboys to this concert and backstage and y'all risk it and getting

into with somebody. A AG, you get into it. AG. You can't play no concerts around here. You're fucked. That's what we do. You know, your initial deal with Nipsey was ten years and how sometimes artists You know, that sounds crazy, but if you really think about the position that some the early people who get in on artists it'll put them in, it seems fair because, like you were saying, the first four or five years, it really ain't no money coming in, right, no money, it's all

your money going out. That's what the production company is. Facts. So let me tell you the think about Nipsey. What I like about Nipsey. It's not what we did to help Nipsey to start Nipcy. It's what Nipsey continue to do after we was gone. That's what separates Nipsey, you know what I mean, Because we was all negative for a run, you know what I'm saying. But bro, he kept going. You know what I mean. I left. I went to go do it was nip and Steve. If you see I had left. I didn't get fired. I

never got fired. I left after my house got hit while they was on tour on the Las tour, and I left music, and I talk about in the documentary. So nobody fired me. I left my own self and I started just doing football and managing ving Rains, So I was making I was making. It was no money on the music, but I started making down at two hundred some thousand dollars year just managing ving Rains right and just doing movies. And I was doing that, and

I started doing shows. I was dealing with every artist, not just not just one artist, and so I was successful doing that. And I continue up until the COVID to make money booking shows and putting on concerts doing so I do one concert a year for developing option for the kids, and then all throughout the year I do other concerts for myself. So I've always made money and I made way more money than I ever did

dealing with one artist with respect to my kid. And so that's what I've never had, not had a shortcoming. All my cards are paid for, my house everything, you know what I mean. So I done real well and I've been doing well. I'm not dealing with one artist until Nip called me after he signed with Atlantic and he was like, uncle, signed with Atlantic, because that's right, like we finna go. And his thing was like, we got to do with Kendrick and Top did we gotta redo?

We gotta do it right, and he was asking me to come back and manage it. I'm like, shid man, I don't want to get back into rogoging Moore, you know what I'm saying. He's like, nah, man, And I said, so what's the situation. He's like, you still got the contract. It ain't you gonna do what you want to do. So I'm like, in your hands yeah yeah. So but you know, we always had that love. Always supported him in the hood, He always supported me in the hood.

And uh, even after we had the conflict. And so when when he got ready to go to New York. He bought me a ticket, well, he paid for me a ticket to go to New York, and the ticket was was me and Robin. The ticket was a problem with that, so we ended up paying for ourselves. We did the video in New York. We came back to do some stuff out here and you can see him all over the Victory Laugh were promoting it and but

we uh we uh. I was in the studio with him for four days recording, just recording vocals talking about him and I. He came about first time. He wanted me to just tell them all the different stories and stories in prison. So we did that and I got when I posted up with me and he was in the studio. We'd been there all night. And I did all that right before Victory Lap because we was gonna

drop He's gonna drop Victy Lap. Then we was gonna come right back with a mixtape on that, and so you kind of narrated, Yeah, narrated the whole tape, like just telling the hood stories and all that coming on. And I really don't know where that is now. We did at Paramount Studio. I ran into a kid who did the recording for us, engineer. Yeah, engineer and what happened to all that? Yeah, yeah, nicely they gaffed it

that the family and all I got it. So I don't know what you know, they ever do it because our relationships ain't what it is you're you mentioned the conflict. There was obviously a widely known incident that had happened. What was the when you guys did have your your your outs before everything got reconciled. What was the root of that? Well, when we first started, it goes back to our recording equipment. I had a deal with Tiny Lister, me Tiny Lister and a tiny list of friend he

was I can't out. I don't want to always so bad with names members name he We did a deal that we were gonna sign nip and he purchased the equipment for us, and we was at sun Set we presise equipment, and that's where Nipsey was staying with me. Sammy went to jail and Nimsey was staying in my condo in Harthoron and we had the equipment set up there we was recording. So this is their equipment that Nipsey had recorded on and was recording on the whole time.

And so once we had went our different ways. I wanted to use the equipment when I decided to come back because his other kid. But where Nipsey had the equipment was in the downtown studio and you could only get there at night, or you couldn't go in after ten o'clock or they were penalized. I'm like, bro, let's just move it on forty third because I had a place in forty third, and he was cool with that.

But then it was conflict in the hood between him and Summer, the other little and I can't go into that. I won't ever go into that. Of course I don't know it, so you know what I mean, if you and so then it kind of like went bad and he made a disc song. I asked him about it, came and checked him about it. We went to go pick him up. He was one hundred hood with it. Nip always did him one hundred hood for sure, for sure.

And then the conflict happened. It was some some rougher rooms, rugging rules, you know what I'm saying, And we all went to jail. And that night nip didn't go to jail, just me and his brother and a couple of homes went to jail. We got out that night, Nip called me. I met Nip the next night. I met Nip and Sam the next night at the African Restaurant on Fairfax the very next night, like like after after what happened he got out, Sam after bellout two days later or

something like that. We all met before that. We met. We met that night at at on Fairfax, the African Restaurant because it was used to go and it was basically like that. It was it. So it was just yeah, because I mean, that hit hike all hip hop, all the different, which it was supposed to do, you know what I mean, and he ran with him. You're like, I'm finna put some songs out. I'm man, go ahead, dude,

you're gonna do wow. Because if it was a conflict, it would have never stopped there, right, you know what I Like? The next day you guys win the eight. Yeah, it couldn't have never been a continued conflict, right, How could that we still here? It couldn't have never been a continued conflict, or it would have been a continued conflict, you know what I'm saying. Like he's he's he's my baby.

He not even five generations under me. I'm I'm like the beginning, and Nip is a baby in our industry in where we're from, you know what I mean, Like he ain't even you know what I'm saying. Like he got to get in there as he got more popular in the world, but at that time, he still was a baby. Yo. I wanted to ask you because someone like Nip, like I feel like, is you mentioned earlier

kind of the diamond in the rough, right? Not everybody has the state of mind that he had that, you know, the way that he did everything with purpose and intention? You know, like was he always liked that? Did you kind of know that about him from like the whole time? I really kind of think he got that from his family, Like his brother they they are real driven, Like they are real driven people, you know what I'm saying. Like they move with a purpose, right, I move with a purpose.

It's very few people who move with a purpose. And he moved with a purpose, you know, And you can see it. You know how you go around somebody and you can see that this dude when it's time to feel he always here, you always got he always you can see that this is what he want to do. Nip didn't have no back door, he didn't have no no, no second plan. This was it, this music, this is what it was, and it was it. It wasn't I'm gonna be a lawyer or doctor if this don't work.

This is it. Yo. He passed away, and then you had organized or help organized, like it was like a day of unity in your neighborhood that you know, I really wasn't aware of, like the historical context of it.

Head had to break it down to me because because you know, I'm not fully tapped in with all the politics and who's this and you know what I'm saying, and so he was kind of explaining to me, like the I the fact that these people and these people are together was so big, Like talk about that day and and and why that was such a big deal. Shouts out, shouts out the little home girl from the Jungles. You're bad with names, say that, so don't get bade anyway,

ad skip the little home girl from the Jungles. She's a beautiful person. I can't say why, but anyway, they were the ones who orchestrated it. And even before we did the walk, we were already talking about, you know, ways to because I do gang divention to stop the violence amongst our people. So they wanted to do the walk and I was like, yeah, it's good idea to do it. But when they were calling people to come and saying it was cool, most of the people are saying, hell, no,

we're not coming. Let's big. You say it's cool to come. And that's when I went on there and said everybody's welcome to come. I was hurting at that time, you know what I mean. Later it was days later and I I was I was hurting, And it was crazy because my whole family was hurting. My kids was hurting because they know Nancy. They know Nipsey from coming to

sleep at our house. He lived in our house one hundred and third and then when he got his check, that's when you know he He graduated from there, and he was like a brother. He was like a big brother to my daughter in my fourteen year old, and he was a big brother to my son my twenty one years in college. He posted him all the time.

So it was crazy that it happened. But the Unity Walk was so necessary because he had reached such a different pinnacle in LA with all gangs that dudes from every set wanted to come pay respect, you know what I mean, And we wanted to he wanted to facilitate that, you know what I mean. And it was so beautiful, man, And I'm so glad that I was just a part of it and I was able to make that happen because that was great for la man. I was great for our souls, you know what I mean, to see

some dudes we had been fighting with for years. Yeah, because like you know, like is it almost take an event like that to happen. I'm not specifically talking about Nip's death, but something of that magnitude to happen to kind of because you know, it's hard to tell someone to stop going to war with somebody if their uncle died or their brother died. It is because it was

a lot of backlash on our side. It was backlash on our side of the gang side, you know, because dudes were still, like you said, will feel a certain way. So it was a call that was made and people came and they still had to go back and like, man, with these dudes, our enemies still, so you know, and with understanding that that people lost fathers, uncles, cousins, you know, you got to respect that. But that day showed that we could find a way out and that was our

mission when we first started with Nipsey. How to take you back to that and the reason why a lot of gangs respected him is because we made sure. I made sure we didn't diss nobody. In the beginning of his music, I went through all the videos. What's all the videos, what's all the signs of the world? No blot that out, no signs dising them. I made sure my homies didn't put up noneing disrespect to nobody if you look at them videos. That was all me, you

know what I'm saying. And then of course nip grew into that because his first music was rolling sixties. What isn't name? We'll do Woo woo woo, and you know, and we clinked all that up, you know what I mean? And history, you know, it's all history now, man, Yo, Is it true that Debo from Friday was inspired by you? Was that character inspired by you? No? No, okay, let me tell you how that went. Okay, this is the honesty,

god truth. You're gonna get this here. I managed Devo Okay rp R my big brother it managed Devo and I managed. It was one of the people I was managing and I managed for years. Right, So to keep me one hundred DEVO knew of big Uka and he knew of my reputation like everybody else did and knew of my reputation. But the character is written on when of Home, it's for twenty eleven. That has nothing to

do with me. You know what I'm saying. Whatsoever, I ain't never been in the hunters iron, you know what I mean. I wrote a beach cruiser, but I ain't do that. I want to take it on he was riding around on the beach cruiser like yeah, we all, I don't know, like I don't know you snatched the chains, like I wasn't snatching Well we did snatch here, but

I mean I wasn't riding the neighborhoodsnts no chains. That was kind of like some other shit, but like Folkalore that Dad was like based on maybe deepo, like like knew of you and like maybe no, he knew of me, like like he knew of me. And but you gotta understand, my reputation goes back to like eighty to like eighty eighty one eighty two, right, because you're in jail when Friday comes out. Yeah, Friday came out ninety five. Yeah I was gone. Yeah I was gone. But my my,

my name and reputation was still. He sees that, of course, of course, you know what I mean, it presees that. But there were a lot of big big me DeVos and whatever. Right now, Tiny, being the actor that he was, could draw off a big U and that's what he meant. He meant that he drew from a big U to act that care that that character wasn't written after you, not at all, because no, I wasn't on no bike pushing up on no nigga. Yo. So you were one

of the original Rolling sixties. What year? I'm not original Rolling sixties, you're not, okay, So give me, give me, give me kind of like a g which is Arlington Gang, right, Okay, So because I saw it, well, I saw it in the documentary, because I watched the first episode. You were like one of like the like like original ags. I'm original, I'm off the second group of original ags. And then so how like, like how did you get us just

the street in the sixties? Okay? So so it was just a kind of like an offshoot because you in the documentary you talk about how big the sixties is. It's the biggest section. And in all respect to my homies, the map was not drawn by me. That map is short. We go from Western to the Bread. It only showed from Arlington to the Bread. So the map on the show was a little part. Yes, totally inacurate. My hood

go from Western to the waters. Damn there. So what year would would would you say you became quote unquote rolling the sixties? Like what year was that? I don't have no tattoos. Oh that's fair. Yeah, what are we talking about? I mean, just to be honest, like I always say it like this, I never became rolling sixties. I think rolling seats became us. Well you said it, Uh, it's in you. It ain't on you. You, it ain't on you. And I've been saying that since the beginning

of time. That's why I don't have no tattoos. So I used to say that years ago, like we ain't gonna tattoos? Why I need them know who I am? That's real shit. It ain't it ain't it ain't. It ain't on you, it's in you. So when dudes used to get tattoos. I was like, shit it or you had to put it on you to know it was real. That's crazy. I didn't need it. And that what's crazy too is you got you came out of jail with no tattoos. Tattoos. I'm gonna say it again. Yep. You

know what I'm saying. It ain't on you, Yep? Is it in you? You did? Was it true that you got like bad, like like when you had to go like move out of town and like you were in Chicago, Yeah, we got kicked out. You got kicked out of LA you got kicked out of Yeah, So what happened? Like how do you get kicked out of a city? Well? I said something in the documentary because I couldn't say what it really was, but I just said one part of what it was there was the robberies, but it

was a lot more, you know what I mean. And so at that time, there was like either you can go to the army or you can go to whoop. And then it was like, nah, bro, I ain't doing an army. But I didn't have a choice in there. But they couldn't find me guilty of a lot of stuff. I was being accused of So they sent me to a little my father in Chicago. Okay, so I stayed up there until I turn eighteen and then I came back.

So you're because at the time, you're a minor. Begin So you're a minor, so they can kind of tell you like, yo, these are your options. You gotta go here, you gotta do this, you gotta do this. And that's what people don't understand that when you were born in the state and you get that birth certificate, you're actually the ward of the state. You don't actually belong to your parents until they actually go to court and file to get you on to become your guardian. That's so crazy. Yeah,

you actually belonged to the state. So they got to tell you like, hey, these are your options. You can't be here no more. What's you go in front of You don't tell you we can sentence you here. That's how they able to sentence you in court. Damn. Yeah, how did you start to get involved in coaching, like in the football stuff? Because I feel like, for the people who have been paying attention to you the last decade, I feel like you're up, you know, since you been home.

I feel like you've been a pair of the community, but specifically when it comes to coaching and being involved in the youth football. Alan Loan Man Alan Loan aka big As I was the first one I coached when I came home. His father and mother always had a football program. Okay, so they always did that. And then along with my homeboys, Big DF going on, who was coaching their sons while I was in prison, and then

when I came home, they was doing it. So and my son, My sons were good athletes, really good athletes. Alls to hear about how good they were. So when I came home, I just wanted to get in there and sit back and kind of sitting them in the cutting and work with them. And I started developing well. I started Extra Finished Fellowship Network, which is the parent company of Developing Option before I actually came home. And that goes to my stepfather, who's Donal ray Evan, and

he's always been conscious. He's always had me read books and all that stuff. He's been really conscious. So when I made the change and I was making a change, he just kept reinforcing me with books and helping me, and he helped me start Extra Finish FELLASIP network while I was in prison. So then I changed the name to develop a Option because it was something people like it. So developing Option is not actually the nonprofit Extra FELLASIP

Network is the nonprofit. We just do business as developing Option for stealing and security purposes. People I can steal and do things. So but then it took me into to want to do something for our community. Man. I wanted to get back. I wanted to to really be able to see these kids make it and not have to go through what I went through. Because I didn't have no father. I ain't really had nobody who was telling us like, don't do this, do that. You know,

you can make it. I didn't have that, you know. It was like go hustle, get the grind. On the outside of the family was I ain't have nobody saying you can make it in school, I never had that. Yeah, and you've had like players that you've coached, like get drafted and all that, man, which is eight had eight nine that's made it to the league that I've coached. I have maybe about fifteen hundred through college, which is even that's even that might even be a bigger deal.

Oh that is a big you know, fifteen hundred kids going to college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I got my son. My son's my last coach. My last class of kids is in this documentary and it's eight of them and uh four graduate this year from college and then six graduate next year from college. Wow. Talk about that. That's crazy. Yeah, that's mine. That's the work I got. That's the Crenshaw Way and it all went to Crenshall High School lead

at Wow. Yeah. So my usually my program tastes kids from my program, the Crenshaw Rams, Crenshaw coach and into Crential High School and then from their college. And like I said, that last group, I got U C l A, Dixie State, US Navy, Reno, Nevada, Georgia, Miami and cut up. Yo, how did you become you're a Vikings fan? Right? Oh yeah, I got how but how the hell did you become a Vikings fan? I got more money out of Minnesota

than I ever got any other state. Okay, okay, I was like I would seeing that, I'm like, yo, how did how did you become a Vikings fan? That's so they didn't have no football team? Okay, who do you go to? I went to the Soda all right, we had no football, rams left, raiders coming going, and it was like shit, I went purple and and to this day, first property I ever bought in my name, not my name, and I bought it a nothing, but first brought out there,

first thing I ever in. Like the Minnesota is important to your story, it was important. I ain't never been back either since they ran me out of there. That's crazy. Wait wait why did you get ran out of Minnesota? What happened? I ain't never been back since then? What if that? What if like hypothetically speaking, the super bowls in Minnesota and the Vikings happened to make it to the super Bowl that same year like the Bucks just did in Tampa. I might just drive at another stag.

You don't make you sure I need them? No, I never been back. You mentioned you know reading some books. What are what are like three or four books that I've changed your life? And Malcolm's autobiography Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Visits for Black Men and the Brown and Friles by Joey Browner. Okay, easy, how about this as like a thirteen year old white kid, I read the autobiography of

Malcolm X. Crazy made me. I didn't even realize Malcolm as a kid, like I didn't, you know, I learned about Malcolm X from hip hop and shit, I didn't realize he was on some gangster ship like Detroit rad was like that that motherfucker. You know, I didn't like that movie. I didn't like the I like the concept of the movie. I didn't see the movie. You didn't see the movie just came you're you talking about the one that came in on Amazon Prime, that The Night

of Miami one. I kind of feel like they made my man two weak to undecisive in his life. How's your relationship with Farakhun? What that's pops? I love kind of death? What do you think is? I feel like there's so many misconceptions about ain't no misconception. It ain't no misconception. He has done. He has done nothing but good for our people. It's no misconception. The only way you can find something wrong with him is you looking

to find something wrong with him. And I won't even let nobody say it's a misconception for somebody who was all his life fought for our life, right Like, if you can find something wrong with him, then you can find something wrong with us as a people as black people. You got a problem with black people because he's never done nothing before for us, period. And when you were you said, when you were locked up with like what he was like you you would almost stay like frowned

upon the fact that you had a relationship with him. Yeah. No, they was trying to they sentenced me. That was one of the sentences, one of my my aggravating, aggravating circumstances, that I had a relationship, that I had a relationship with him. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, it was in my transfers too. That's why you know, I think though, even like my situation right now, because as this documentary go, I still hear where the fairs is going to ask people like what can you give us on Big U?

Like what do you know about big U? What is this? And in light of the the in light of what's going on in the capitol and then rushing the capitol. It's crazy that I still get calls from people just's in prison and saying that they come in and asked him what can you what can you give us on Big You? Like I've been home seventeen sixteen years. I do gang intervention and I have to have a relationship with gang members to do gang intervention to help your community.

If I don't have a relationship with gang members, how can I call a thousand gang members to be able to come to this nipsey thing? You know what I'm saying. But I am still being pursued to this day right now. I got a call not too long ago tell some of my partners saying that they was asking what can they give them? What we can help you? Like, how

are you looking for something? Like I thought the fact that crime was let's catch him doing what he's doing and not going back looking for some thirty forty years ago because they trying to do a reco from my understanding on the hood. So I gotta be scared to say if I'm even affiliated with the hood. Wow, you understand what I'm saying, Like, we gotta be careful on what you say now, but this is what you're looking for,

like and you see them doing this stuff. But it goes back to what Malcolm and Martin was talking about. They killed all of our black leaders? Are they sinuses in some kind of way? Why if they feel like you got a big voice. So I guess there's a time period on how long big U last, there's something to come up? Would you ever become a part of the political process. I'm a part of the political process.

I mean as far as like being, you know, running for any sort of official I wouldn't run for no office, but I'm running for office right now, like just being a voice for our people, just a level of voice. And like they said, like Jiego Hoover said, the the fear of the white man is the intelligence of a black man. That shit real, like it's real. And I'm not capping at you, no, no, no no, listen broadly what

was really going on right now today? There's one hundred per Like you said, Yo, what happened the Capital Ship was to me the biggest like example of like all of their energy shit to be on these on these white boys. How you find where they at? How you still pursuing black men who ain't got no power in this country literally infiltrated and can't do nothing, Like even if we wanted to, if you organize every black man in this country, we couldn't do shit. I mean, just

to be honest, we can't take a shit. We ain't gonna move on nothing. We ain't the problem in America. When do they figure that shit out? We not the problem. I don't disagree, man, I do not disagree. It's been it's been a crazy Uh, I've been a crazy last four years. A lot of motherfuckers have been embolded, you know what I'm saying. If anything, at least it made people like I think Trump being president, people actually like were at least brave enough to show you who they were, right,

you know what I'm saying. But just to be on another note on the Trump note, Uh, it's some dumb white people, oh for sure, like for real though, bro like, and I don't want to disrespect nobody, but don't I used to think, you know, coming up, it's a white world, white police, white school officers, I mean, white teachers, white police, white judges, white Superman, white wonder woman, white every this this the word I grew up here or nothing black on TV but Sammy Davis Junior, and he claimed to

be a jew, So we ain't have ship but black and films that came out and they was all taking cocaine, shooting to some kind of jewels and gangster shit, you know what I'm saying. So you get to think that, But when Trump came. Trump unveiled a whole different people. Now they've always been there called white trash. I mean, god damn, I ain't gonna call him trash. I will, but I'm gonna just say, I'm gonna just say there's

white trash. The intelligence level is far different than I thought. Like, listen, man, there's a whole middle part of the America where these motherfuckers are real just they're just they're they're like truly brainwashed people. Right. I was like, it's crazy, it's crazy. And then I like Trump for a different reason. What was your reason for? He was a hustler and and and watch this when I was gone, Trump was the hip hop being for sure. Oh no, he was doing

like skits on mathematic albums and all kinds of shit. Yeah, everything it was about. I read Trump, But bro, he was here and he's also a life, lifelong democrat, his whole, his whole entire life. And then he flipped the script. You know, why get the bag because he knew how stupid people were, these white people were. He's like, I know exactly how to get these fools. I'm gonna just shoot up this fear right into their arm. Talk about

every other race. And and I mean it worked for I mean, the jig is up obviously, but he got him elected, dude to the highest office. Dude flipped the whole script. How you go from on yachts and snoop and and my man was a cold business man and he just dived in on the other ship. Oh man, definitely. You know, I'm not even sure as a businessman he's as cold as we I think that might be a little bit inflated as well. Now, well, see the thing about it is Trump didn't do business to do business.

Trump did. Trump did business to get some money. When you when you're building a business, you like me, and you you ground as your baby. You you hustling at it every single day. Trump did corporation. I try to write his book. Trump established corporations to make two three, one hundred and fifty million, and then debunk the corporations once you get everybody in the investment. Oh yeah, I hear what you're saying. So he went in it for

good business. He was in it for money. He was in to get the brig that's fair, you know what I mean. He wasn't in it to make r His studios become like the biggest studio in the world. How the building built out of it? Good? We'll move on right now. I'm getting this back. Can you tell obviously you know we always bs who's here in the building, but talk about just before we wrap up, man, like what you have going on? Obviously, I gotta I got a talk show coming out like this from a podcast

called Checking. Oh yes, sir, I like that perfect name. God check it in with big Y you did. So there's gonna be a podcast on the way podcast. It's Kevin right now. We're doing it right now, and I got as So now I'm doing distribution so unique as determinment is. And now we're a distribution company like Empire Distro Kids, So kids can go upload their music and they're not signing to us, they're just going through us as a platform to get the music. They're helping them

get their music from music out. Yeah, and then if somebody blows we gonna definitely want to reach out to you, you know together, but it's it's you'll be able to sign up online. We're gonna start promoting and pushing that. And William just looking at it like that, just doing distribution and that's no contract. That's just you can go in you only you only have to do a contract. As far as the music you're uploading. Make sure you

ain't stole. Nobody's beating right right, Yeah, nobody's signing to us unless they choose to or we listen to your music. But they'll be able to upload their music and put their videos up and the music as goes from there and they'll be able to download it get paid. I think I pay us like in three days off whatever they make wow fast. Yeah, we're not doing We're not doing no fifty fifty. It's majority of money goes to them.

And again, nobody signing us. It's gonna be able to load their music, get it out and working what how how like I think with I mean, obviously I'm sure there's already been some interest, but with this show coming out, I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of interest for like the rights to your story, doing a movie like I said, where an actor plays you. Has there been any sort of discussion for some ship like that. Yeah, I had a deal actually on the table man with

Van Rain's about five years ago. Was he gonna be was he gonna be the one to play it. Yeah, well he was supposed to play me then and uh him and Tiny was lobby. You know who's gonna do it? So it's crazy you but uh we just never pulled the trigger. Uh my boss. My wife was just satisfied with I like how you called your wife your boss too, because I feel you my boss. She my boss too. Man. She was like, uh no, she's Likena like it. She didn't like the script because in the script and the script,

I had to be like the protagonist. They wanted me to be mean towards her and they wanted to be She was like, you ain't never hit me. And I'm like, babe, but it's just it's just for like the movie. And she like, I ain't scared of you. Why I gotta be scared. I'm like, don't worry about it. It's like because then how they fuck you up? She like like she like and and so you know the lady who wrote it. She was like, no, we gotta want to make him be like you know, and then he had

because it shows the evolution. She like, what make him be mean to somebody else? And I'm like, look, b is they telling the story? Yeah? You know what I mean? She was. She was like, hell, no, did you are you? Are you a fan of Have you? Have you checked out the show Snowfall on FX? Yeah? I watched it. Yeah, I say't watch all of it. I mean, I'm dimmed in it because people always tell me about what you're

about to say. Yeah, I just didn't like. I was just curious to see if, like, how how accurate you thought they kind of depicted that era. I don't know. I didn't even look at it to see if it was accurate because it's a good ass show and everyone says that it's loosely based on Freeway Ricky Ross, but I'm not that. I felt like it was based off of Boat Benning. Okay, I don't know from what I seen, because from when I heard about the story, he got on in the valley, that's how Bo got on in

the valley. Yeah, he got on in the valley. Yeah, and it came me up Freeway got on. I don't know. I think he was always in the hood because you know, we all, we all know each other, we are good friends. So when I heard it was a valley story and I've seen some of it, I'm like, that's Bo. Bo

went to school in the boat. Bow lived in on Florence and he went to school in the valley and kind of got on And I don't never know Freeway because I thought Freeway kind of moved out here when he was kind of like sixteen to seventeen and he didn't do no more, he didn't do no schooling. This kid was kind of the in the Snowfall is supposed to be kind of smart, right, Yeah, a smart kid for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great show. I just didn't know because I know that was kind of your era,

so I didn't know that was my That's definitely my air, definitely. Yeah, it's definitely my air. Yes, it's check that ship out. But you gotta like really watch, like you can't just get in and out of it. You gotta like bang out all the seasons. I'm now I'm gonna watch the whole season because we're all on FX. Yeah, Hip Hop Uncovered on FX And it's a two episodes dropping every Friday, right every Friday, every Friday, total of six so the next three Fridays and then if you got the FX app,

go get that. Yeah, go get the FX. No, go get the Hulu appeah, because it's streaming. It's on Hulu. Yeah, it's streaming on Hulu, but it's it's airing ONX Listen. I know you got the calls running man listen. I appreciate you coming through and thank you for the discussion. Man and and RS Studios. You already know looking you know, for whatever reason, you know, he happens to be fond of those initials. Big you, Thank you, Bro,