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Content on my way to taking a small amount of time off for Christmas.

Long you're taken off not you know, between Christmas and New Year's that's like a week.

And even then if I get interview offers. I'll probably just do it.

Anyway if it's like a big enough one, like.

I'm always on call. Yeah, it's hard to say.

Now always on call. You just released the well. First of all, I watched the first episode of You and Lanta's show. I didn't finish it. I just assumed it was gonna I didn't. I just knew. I just knew crit wasn't gonna win. Yeah, it was. It was. It was cool. It felt like some old school like Flavor of Love type ship for sure.

Yeah, that's where we're going for But would banging at the.

End, Yeah, how was? I only saw a clip of the scene where you five five the guys.

I think we fist bumb fist bum. He's a young black dudes. I don't know if he would have been comfortable with the full on Eiffel Tower.

I didn't see because for people, yeah, for people don't know my Eiffel Tower, there's the you know, right, So what was it like? Because were you there with Jason Love and Atlanta? I wasn't around for that, So what was it like? Being in it? Way better?

So much better because I felt like this weird little bit of jealousy when she did this, the scene with Jason Love, even though I got over that pretty quick. But in terms of us just shooting like me, him and her, I mean I was into it and fucking it didn't I didn't. I didn't have any like conflicted feelings about it. It was all just good times.

Did you have any issues busting? No? None? Did the other guy any was born to come? The other guy was fine? Yeah, good because I heard the the previous guy had to some I wasn't there. Yeah, you weren't there to confirmed.

I don't know Jason Love. He's in his own world too.

Yeah, No, I can only imagine that had to be a I don't know, man. I don't know if I could do it brat proculdn't get hard.

Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, it took me a couple of minutes.

It took you a while.

Normally I'm hard, like on command, but it did. It was like tugging on it for me, like four or five minutes before. But once I got up, it stayed up.

It stayed up. Yeah, was was he? I didn't see the video? So was he swinging?

Does he have a big dick? You're saying, yeah, he got a pretty good one. Yeah, maybe not quite ad Jason Love though to not.

But more than you. Yeah. Wow, yeah, you're fucking sick. Well, I'm not going to pick a guy smaller than me. I would addicted me, that's who's coming in here. I would have been so transparent.

A lot of people honestly were like, oh, he picked him because his dick was smaller than a couple of the other guys in the competition. Not really anything I was thinking about.

Does that dude do porn usually? Yeah, he's a big deal. Oh he is a big deal.

Oh yeah, he's already popping.

Yeah. Oh so you ared already kind of seen. Was everybody on the show besides krit maca porn so already.

There was this dude Chardley's who's like an internet comedian. I have a feeling that he would not have actually done the fucking right. A couple other people too.

So, like Rat Dick Ralph. The show seemed kind of like pretty set up. Obviously it was good.

The winner was not determined. Wasn't people think that we

And he's been cool about everything. Yeah, he's super cool because it seems like the other situation the guy was like kind of clout chasy a little bit.

Yeah, we definitely talked to him about that so we could avoid that mistake.

Hey, if we're going to do this, man, yeah, don't be aware to be a professional. Yeah, be a pro.

Respect the marriage.

How long How many days did you guys film?

It was only two days. It seems like a little longer, but two days quick. It's so fucking expensive to have the whole entire reality crew there that, like.

And the rent the house. Did you guys need to get permits? Yes? Oh so, you guys really fucking it's a real production.

We hired like a crazy, like twenty person reality crew to film and conceptualize the whole thing.

I've always told everybody because for whatever reason I've told you this before. I think people think like we're a lot closer friends than we are, and we're cool, like you're my boy, you know, like you've done some libs my way that I appreciate.

I don't talk to that many people, but.

People like hit me up, like, what's up with your boy? He's a fucking cook. This is weird, and I'm like, I don't know, dude, maybe like and this always is why I always say, you guys have been fucking women on camera right for so long?

Uh huh.

One dick comes out our left field, and it's like, all of a sudden, they just act like you guys aren't sex workers or performers or whatever you like.

Even when we had our kid, I don't really remember like almost anybody thrown it in our faces and being like you shouldn't have a kid, you're a porn star, YadA, YadA. Whereas now it feels like every time all you hear, oh, It's all people want to do is just tell me about how I'm like violating the sanctity of traditional marriage, and like everyone just kind of like willfully ignores the

Yeah, yeah, I think I mean that clip you guys sold with Jason Love had to be one of the more I think you told me it was one of the more successful things ever sold on that platform.

Right, the biggest OnlyFans scene of all time.

Ever ever seven figures, of course, eight figures.

I want to want to take that leap. You never know though.

In between, I look like around the five that's a lot, dude, what do they keep? Like, I always wonder what is only fan? What's their cut?

Twenty percent?

So they're keeping twenty percent?

Yeah, damn, so they're eating off everybody.

That's fucking great, there, man, Onlyfan, that's such a great business model, saying right, damn. I remember when they were gonna go away and then all the fake only fans popped up.

Yeah, and we spent like thirty grand to get a fucking plug talk website built. And then by the time I got done, OnlyFans seemed a lot more stable, and so we never even ended up making the website.

Go live.

We figured let's just stick to only Fans.

Yeah, it's almost like if YouTube went away, you'd have to figure some shit out. Like OnlyFans is kind of like the new like standard if you're a content creator even yeah, in the porn industry.

And I even know girls, like some of the biggest girls in the industry who have their own website ready to go, and they just keep it on the back burner because only Fans is just so much more familiar to the users that it's just it's a layup, Like it's just it's just so much more effective to put your content on there, and it's kind of sucks that you can't necessarily present it exactly the way that you want to present it, like you would be able to on a website. But they go to your website, they

Yeah, And it's kind of like, if you're going to go on YouTube to watch like all your content, why would you go sign up for I mean, like shout out to rumble, no, just to rumble, but I'm not fucking watching nothing on Rumble.

I mean I would if it came down to it, but like if you had to, if I had to, I would go to Rumble.

But it would take a lot. Yeah, it would take a lot, especially like if you got like booted off the platform or something. Yeah, exactly, that's happened with I think what Steve will do. It happened with him.

Yeah, it's good to have a backup.

But I don't know, do you guys get to see like like the top earners because we saw the celebrity top Earner of the Year thing on OnlyFans. Are you able to see on the back end, like where you rank and in the end of the.

Year they tell you your like percentage, Like.

You get to see top zero zero one percent.

Yeah, but they don't give you any more information than that, because it would be that would be pretty crazy if we were able to be like, wow, we make a little bit more than you and you but not as much as you.

That would because I feel like some of these celebrity numbers have to be inflated.

I think a lot of people lie about it, and I feel like.

The bad baby numbers are so fucking insane. Yeah, I don't know.

A weird part of me kind of believes her numbers just because as ridiculous as that eighteen million dollar a month looks, it just kind of seemed like I when I saw how I went from like eighteen million to like eight hundred thousand as the months went by, I was like, that seems like a normal rate of degrading of income. But I don't know. If you saw the guy who was like Ruby Rose's.

Number one with him, he said there was cap right, yeah, And so I feel like I think he's full of shit.

H No, no's that's a funny reaction that a lot of people keep having to it is that they think he's actually now covering up for his own perversion. But let me tell you, I've known this guy for a long time, so you know him. I've known him because he used to be an assistant to a tattoo artist who did some work on me. He one time came to the store in like twenty eighteen and he did a dab with lean instead of water. I guess he was just trying to get some attention doing that or whatever.

And then after that.

I realized just that he knows a lot of the porn star girls that I know, Like he was on FaceTime with Gina Valentina right after our interview, just talking on some regular shit. So it's like, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy. And also I don't think he has the kind of money that it would require.

He's supposed to be a crypto whale. I think, yeah, you think that's all bullshit. Yeah, So because he was I saw a picture he didn't get a ruby rose tattoo.

He did get a ruby rose tattoo. It was just kind of funny because I doubt she would ever want to really see him again.

That's very that's committing.

You gave us some this super funny Oh my god, I feel bad. Actually I feel bad even calling it funny. But he had a whole week of media planned out right. He was going to do Vlad. He flew to Miami to do a freshman fit immediately after our interview, and he was supposed to go on that.

Whatever pod we've been dming each other well, there's.

Another one that probably isn't gonna happen, I would assume, but like the whatever pod. When I went there yesterday, he asked me about that guy. I told him it was fake. He goes, oh, we're probably just not going to have him on. Then I'm like, oh, whoops, Vlad. I think canceled on him as well, fake And he flew out to do Fresh and Fit and they canceled on him. Why when he after he already flew out there.

Yeah, especially I mean shout out to Ruby Rose if this was her team, like hiring some dude. Oh it fucking worked. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad idea.

Noticing that I told Michael right away. As soon as I saw it, I was like, we should do this. We should say they find somebody, some guy, give us one hundred grand.

Let's just find some dude, hire him, some fucking dude. That to nobody who doesn't have any relationship. Credit Media Present.

They made it seem kind of real with the screenshots of the.

With the texting like weird dude, from OnlyFans.

I was smart they and even this right here is kind of like another round of attention on Ruby Rose's only fans even And.

I've noticed too, like you'll scroll on like Hollywood and Locke and they'll have these fake stories about like teacher gets fired from their only Fans account, but it's really like banger, Oh no no, but I'm not even talking about that one because that was a real one. There's been so many because we talk about shit on the radio and my boy will be like, oh, this is some some somebody got fired from their job or whatever or and then we'll look and we'll be like, oh, this is a paid ad. Oh yeah.

And now Twitter will add a community note, oftentimes informing the public of oh, this is fake, like this account got paid to post this, this is only fan promotion. Yeah, so shot that thing going on. That's a very useful service right there.

I always wonder, because I've been seeing the community notes recently, and I always wonder if it's community notes who, like, like, what process does the community notes go through to verify in or not verify.

I think it's like Wikipedia, where there's just like a team of like unpaid people basically communicating about it, and like a large percentage of people doing the community notes have to agree in order to add the community note, although I'm sure that that could be gamed to some extent because sometimes you see the community note pop up and then it goes away.

Do you did you see the obviously you saw the clip of Elon sayingle fuck yourself to Bob Iger to all the advertising. Yeah, but he's a Hi Bob in the crowd or whatever. Did you watch that full interview? I did. It was pretty good.

I liked a lot of it. I think he's kind of in over his head with telling all the advertisers to fuck off, because he's supposedly this like free speech guy. And I can't think of a better example of free speech than corporations deciding not to advertise with a guy who's basically created a platform where there's a lot of unsavory things going on, much of which he's co signing. So I don't really think that he has any kind

It is kind of anti free speech. Yeah, because they have the ability to choose where they would average.

I like Twitter being what it is where there's a lot of free speech, and it's like the only platform where if there's a fight or if there's something sexual, I know I can put it on Twitter. I can't put it on Instagram and YouTube. I'm gonna lose my account. Can't put it on Snapchat, can't put it on pretty much anywhere anything.

Try on Twitter.

Yeah, and I appreciate that, but I also think that.

You had to put an episode on Twitter once, right because you guys took that week off because of a strike. Right, Yeah, we got a strike for like the dumbest shit ever.

I forget what it was. It was something about.

I remember the whole episode was on Twitter, though.

Yeah, we had to put it on Twitter. It was fucking depressing as fun because nobody wants to listen to a two hour podcast on Twitter. But we just wanted to be able to put our week's episode out either way.

So I think if they somehow fix like the I guess the uh just a platform for video watching. The more and more YouTube starts like clamping down and like fucking with creators, I could see Twitter eventually becoming like, I mean.

But it's going to require advertisers, and they have to.

And they have to change. Like it's like you could you just press play on it, Like it doesn't go vertical or it doesn't go horizontal. It's just it's just a hard platform to watch.

And it doesn't appear that a lot of people really want to be in the business of hosting all this video content because you look at Twitch. I mean, Twitch could easily be a VOD style platform as well, like live streaming, and you can upload your video after you can't really upload videos on Twitch.

Fucking I think it's fifty fIF.

Yeah, they take a stupid ad raate, but you're talking about Amazon, the richest fucking company in the world. Then they don't want the headache of having Twitch turned into YouTube. So that kind of makes me feel like Elon's biting off a bit more than he can chew because it doesn't like, you know, people aren't making really significant amounts of money on Twitter, which I guess could change.

Dad, you probably know more than me, his face. Facebook is still pretty solid. You still guys. You guys got the Facebook booming right?

Facebook is pretty nice?

Yeah? Uh so where do you guys go from here you in Atlantic because obviously you guys this, I mean, does this keep happening? Is the the the door off the hinges? Now when it comes to dudes, like.

Definitely gonna do more shit with other guys. But I don't you know, we're not going to do like another reality show to find the next guy that's just gonna fuck or whatever. You know, for sure, if we have an idea something, they'll take it to the next level, then we're down to do it. But at this point, I think we're kind of plotting our next moves. I think that as like an overall umbrella idea for plug Talk, we could kind of take like any successful content style.

Right, it could do it, like the sex version makes.

Sense to me, But we got to figure out because like I think me and her are both looking at like how we exit plug Talk at a certain point, Like how do we build it into a business that doesn't seem entirely dependent on me and her. And I think we've taken some important steps with that because we do we do these live orgies consistently on the channel.

We will you have it, some of it on YouTube, some of it on.

Yeah, but we do like a big panel like you know, fifteen or ten people talking or whatever, and then everybody goes with bucks. But if we could produce content that would consistently do well and promote the porn side of things and make it X rated, but then also be able to have a version of it that goes on Instagram and TikTok and everything, I think that's perfect. So I think we need to like basically figure that out because we want to have another kid at some point.

As I was going to say, like is there. I mean, there's got to be like the end game's got to be, are you guys? I mean, y guys, I could do this forever.

Not forever. But I will say that there's a lot of porn dudes like Dread. Dread is fifty no, Yeah, shopping in a lot of porn dudes are like fifty at a certain point before they hang it up.

I'm talking about just like the being married with a performer being on camera. It feels like anytime some of my favorite porn stars have ever gotten married, they usually retire.

I don't know, we're having fun with it, Honestly, if it wasn't fun, then we wouldn't be doing it.

But and is it ever? Like? I don't like you guys have always kind of had this type of relationship where you guys bring women in right to the fold.

So I mean for me personally, I would do plug Talk for free if I just got to fuck all these girls.

Exactly what I say, It's like, how do you ever like you probably can never go back to just like, hey, it's just me and you. Uh I think we could? I think, like, because has it ever been that just me and her? Yeah?

I mean before plug Talk, for sure, there would be like months and months and months where we didn't hook up with anybody else, especially on the pregnancy and stuff. I kind of feel like as I've gotten older, like the thresome thing when I was still a civilian was such like a coveted thing, like it was just like I can remember every three something I ever had is just the most exciting thing in the world, the fuck

Guy, marry, hang out.

Yeah, definitely dinner, but I'm gonna be just chasing chicks around on the club and shit, well into my forties, I'm not really seeing it. So I feel like I

She end up fucking Josemas white wife, No, but I would love to she when didn't she pull up? She never did it? And what you do?

We did the interview and I was kind of tossing it out there, like, hey, me and you doing porn, what do you think? And uh, she didn't seem like it was off the table. But she's still married.

In the same way in like twenty seventeen, a rapper could go on your platform and it changes their life. Are you guys kind of like the coveted platform for any porn chick to try to get on, to try to kind of change the trajectory of their business on only?

I mean, definitely we're a platform they could do that. I don't know, like if somebody wants to make a bunch of noise by just doing a sex scene. In general, I think we're like a great place for somebody to pull up. Like, I know that we for sure moved the needle big time on that teacher Brianna or whatever they were talking about. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. The market is very flooded in terms of are you guys like content?

You guys have your pick every week. I'm sure like we got X amount of people trying to do this.

Well, we have enough episodes right now to not do it till March, so we have.

This fucking yeah, you're just racking them up.

Yeah, some weeks we'll do five or six.

How would CJ. Miles? Oh she's a champion. Oh my god, bro, I've been a fan of hers for a long time on Twitter.

I can't wait for that one to come out. Her interview is.

Mind blowing, very small. She's five four to seven, so what was forty two years old? She's forty two? Can you believe it? Fuck them Asians? DA don't age, bro insane shit? What kind is she a Filipina or what is? Yeah? Phil a shouts of Filipino women and men. Do you not age at all? My manager's fifty eight and he looks like he's forty.

I had a hell of a time not busting with her. Man, shit was overflowing?

Was that like one of the better like recently? Because I'm assuming like this, Yeah.

She's hot, and it's something about her just being this like miniature sized human but still being like basically a milf though, was you never was just so professional the way she was hopping on there?

You never fucked a midget? No, I'm so looking for the right one. There's I've seen a few, at least I've seen a few Twitter where you're like.

Oh, yeah, but it hasn't really happened yet.

Because like the thing about midget, do you remember the old og porn star Pinky? I do so Pinky to me was like she was like just teetering on midget status. She really small. She was built like a midget. No, you know, like midgets are real stumpy and thick, you know what I'm saying.

She was just like, can I DM Pinky too? I didn't hear back from her, although my girl probably definitely doesn't remember Pinky, so it might have been kind of hard.

Explaining Pinky is. I don't. I haven't seen her recently, so I couldn't. I saw a picture.

There was a whole thing where she was like they took pictures of her in the fucking wal Mart or some shit, and she wasn't looking so hot was great, and everybody's making a big deal out of it. And it's like, Bro, you could take the hottest porn girl in the game and you show her with no makeup, shitty photo. It's just happened with.

Ice spice people trying to talk about ip ice spices.

When you see that, you realize how confused a lot of guys are because the way chicks look when they're on camera fully dulled up, and the way they look ninety nine percent of the time, it's not the same thing. And this is that's like a little boy thing of like realizing like, oh shit, girls look different with concealer and mascara and all this shit.

So's I kind of felt, no, shit, like have you never had a girlfriend before? Does she look the same from what you guys see?

But there is such a thing where like some girls are hottest fuck with makeup, and they look still really hot without makeup for sure, and then there's some girls where the difference is quite drastic.

It is drastic. What is the latest with krip Mac? Obviously he's incarcerated. Have you got to speak with him? Do you know what's going on with him? Yeah?

I talked him on the front of like two minutes on the other day when I with Loupe and four Extras. And there's a new girl named Carby Doll who krip Mac has apparently landed himself in a relationship with since he got locked up. That's the level of a riz that my man Mak has we're gonna call him Rizmack, is that he basically like found a new girlfriend from getting a wretch gee wall, which is insane.

So is there any sort of idea like is it a federal case?

Yeah, And like he's saying that, well, I've heard that the average sentence would be five years. Damn, he's saying three to five over the phone.

I don't know, would you because I saw like, should Knight's got this new podcast that's over the phone. Do you think there'd be a way to keep Kryp Mac involved in content via the phone? That is a good idea. I don't know.

I haven't tuned into that.

Just to try to keep something going, keeping some motion going with him, I don't know, you know, like I've.

Never had good luck with talking to people on the phone in jail and having them tell me anything interesting thing, you know. I remember I used to talk to Draco after he'd been locked up for a year or two, and they don't usually seem eager to tell you about all their fights and everything. And then the audio quality of shit. So I don't know.

I mean, yeah, I mean they obviously aren't going to snitch on themselves, like I got into it last night, you know. But I don't know. Maybe I just feel like he was on such a he was on such a climb right now, Like I just watched that Neon video where threw the hot dogged dude and was like, suck that.

Shit, hot Doug ever, Oh my god.

I was like, krit Mak is on his way to being in movies. This guy is on his fucking way. So when I saw he got arrested, it was like it was I don't even know, dude was It was just heartbreaking.

Yeah, And I think, like, you know, my girl always saw me interviewing him and like didn't really get it or like never paid attention to his ship. And then she hung out with him two days on set and by the end of that she was like, He's the funniest person I've ever met.

She's just literious.

And like like he was the star of the show on the Lennon reality show, like he just kind of stole it. Like he just was so good on camera and so funny. And I actually don't really think we would have had a show if it wasn't for him, or at least it wouldn't It wouldn't have been entertaining, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as funny, because it's like every thirty seconds to a minute, there's just a cripmac line.

In the show.

And all the porn dudes are just very normal for the most part. They're like, you know, if you want to be a porn star, and you want to be accepting the game. The name of the game is make everybody like you. Don't offend anybody, don't piss anybody off. Even like the other day, I made a joke about Violet Myers on a podcast A Little d and My Girl, and he said, would you bust in her? And I go, hell no, I wouldn't bust in her. She's Mexican, which

Whatever. Yeah, I mean I have two Mexican children. My girl scared me right away.

She's like, you should you should call Violet and make sure that she's not going to get offended by that, which I was like, Okay, I feel you, because in the porn game, you just really want everybody to like you, because it could be one or two girls that don't fuck with you that could really have a negative impact on your career.

Well, I've noticed you've been You've even even like some of the stuff if you told me off camera, You've kept close to you and not revealed on camera even though you could. But it's kind of like an unwritten rule type of industry.

I am a believer in the porn man's code, where he's just anything weird that happens on set. But even in this conversation, there are things that have been complicated behind the scenes, on set whatever, and we just don't talk about it. Everything was great, Everything always was great. Nobody ever had a hard time getting boner. Everybody finished

You's so funny moving to LA And when my boy was telling me about getting dp'ed once, I was like, bro, I didn't know about you know, the gang DP as opposed.

To yeah, being a sick fuck and you can't win, you're not allowed to win the DP.

Yeah.

If I'm getting dp'd and I start winning, more people enter the DP and beat the shit idea, So you gotta just just I mean then, but I still think you're supposed to try to fight.

You got to kind of put up a fight, but you don't want to.

You can't whoop his ass or the DP will probably become a lot more extreme.

I think, Yeah, Uh, that's interesting. Well, they tell me how first of all, shout out to you and Whack. I feel like you guys have such a great chemistry on camera. Yeah, I appreciate it.

That's that's usually my most fun hour or two out of the week.

Well, it's been a lot more consistent too, because I know there's sometimes I would like just be off doing whack shit, you know.

And yeah, he's Anglo desh selling diapers and ship and then.

He can't nick Cannon diapers exactly.

Mayweather's investing. He's in the Congo. He's selling diapers in the Congo.

I got a kid only using incredible diapers.

My belief is that when you go into business, you should probably like primarily focus on things you understand. M hm, Like what the fuck is what is Wag know about selling diapers in the Congo. But if he can do it, that's like the sickest thing ever. So I'm proud of him.

If he becomes the new face of diapers, then ship.

I was just telling him, tell me for like this idea, you know, Blippy, anyone who watches who has kids, the guy the orange glasses, it's old whack that he needs to become like that. He needs to become like the brand ambassador for his own diapers, and we're gonna make kids content and it's gonna be whacking a funny outfit saying like, hey, this is how you count the four.

That's a good idea, right it is. I mean, I don't know, man, he never ceases to amaze me with like his pivoting. Yeah, because he's all of a sudden now like you know, like he said on Your Shit the other day that he's kind of like got so much Internet cloud. People could just say something about him and then they get clicks. It's kind of crazy.

It's funny to imagine if his diapers became super popular and then you know, what, is there going to be a Daily Beast article that's like listing off all the offensive things that Wack has ever said on camera.

Like I don't buy these diapers at Target because the owner said, you know, tupac or something right or all these things, any list of crazy he said, Yeah.

So I don't know, but I mean I feel like Whack is kind of like post cancelation.

Yeah, you can't cancel Whack.

Whack would have to do something very extreme to be canceled.

Yeah, I feel like there's just a few people that's like, I don't know what you're gonna do, like.

Because they're like leftover from a prior generation, so it feels kind of wrong to like judge them by the standards of today.

You know, that's hilarious. It is true.

It's like Boosy is like he just wasn't born in nineteen ninety nine. He's an old school guy. Must people that Boozy for who he is. You imagine how much funnier Boosy's gonna get as he gets older.

And how much people would be disappointed if he actually, like you know, succumbed to like being like, you know, more more PC or.

I actually think now I've been thinking about it, lad, I think they should teach about trans ship in school. I've been thinking, yeah, like I imagine Boozy.

Fuck, oh my god, I'd be hilarious. What I thought was dope was And I told Whack this like I appreciated him being like a catalyst to kind of de escalate what was going on between you and the guys at.

Okay, I would be happy to give why credit for something like that, but in actuality, that was entirely me. I just chose to have the conversation with it. Like him, he didn't even know that that was coming, and he was entirely antagonistic for the most part. So it's not like you really helped out too much, but he was my sounding board.

For that conversation y to help guide the you know, guide it a bit.

You know, you've been talking to some of them off camera and all that too, so I guess that probably helped.

Yeah, for you. I mean, if it feels like the it feels like a lot more positive like this, this negative energy is and hanging over both of y'all's platforms. You know, do you feel like kind of a relief since you've had that conversation on camera and kind of like said, I'm going to de escalate this, I'm gonna step back. Yeah.

I think like at various points in your career you have to be willing to kind of zoom out, look at yourself, look at what you're doing with your time. And I mean, even just on a super basic level, I have this constantly where I'm thinking about what I'm doing with no Jumper, and it's kind of like, well, I'm putting in this much time to earn this much money from No Jumper, and in some sense, I'm kind of ignoring my opportunit unity with plug Talk, which maybe is two or three times bigger.

Opportunity on revenue.

And when I zoom out and I look at my business and I'm like, oh, well, you spent a lot of mental energy this week in arguing with people, and nobody benefits from this or seems interested in this besides like the small little nests of hardcore fans that are talking about it on Reddit and stuff. It's not like all the viral platforms pick it up. When I say something I ate, you mean you.

Had some good rants. I hit you like, yo, you you had some fucking real Paul Hayman esque WWE top notch.

Yeah, I got that in me. But at the end of the day, it's just like, what is what is the shelf life of this?

You know?

Like I can go viral doing all kinds of stuff that doesn't like impact my life. And then when I saw that you exactly, I saw this shit happened with Dub and it wasn't just like what happened on camera

Even that situation could spark.

And it's just like, what is the fucking point?

Why am I? Why am I throwing the over podcast beef?

Yeah, And I realized in that moment, I'm just like, well, you know, you could just kind of like pull it back and just wave the white flag and just take a little take a little mini l right now to basically spare yourself a lot of wasted end.

I think it's like growth.

I was surprised that, like, even the audience, who obviously like wants to call me a bitch and wants to point out me being a pussy whatever, they talked about it for a day and then they were kind of over it too, because I think to a certain extent, like in the early days of US beefing, that was the most viral content on their platform and then this time around, it wasn't like it may have helped their content a bit, they might have got more views from it, but it's not like it was a you know, nine

Like all of you guys have kids, all of you guys are fathers, most of us, all of you guys are well obviously I'm talking about like you know, the Rain guys involved. Everybody's got kids.

Man, do know has yet to prove that he can appropriate.

I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure he's he's all right, another two in. But you know, for me, it was like just seeing like some of the you know, like I get it was for entertainment, but just I feel like like once it kind of got past a certain point, it was like, oh, man, like it almost has to like be a thing, you know. But you did a good job of like leaning into it. You leaned into that motherfucker for real. I think you said it kicked off here.

Yeah it did, because I didn't After they left the channel, I didn't do any interviews. I went on my honeymoon, et cetera. Then I come back and finally you asked me, and I'm like, okay, I'll do an interview with Kevin that.

I feel like you kind of snapped into your you know what, the big.

Big twenty two thing. Yeah, but I didn't really like what I said, didn't really like compared to what was said later, what I said on here was like nothing right, but it definitely like sparked a lot of conversations.

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Yeah, I heard about that. I haven't heard from him.

He's cop two so far. So yeah, so you would be open to maybe having him on just to.

I'm definitely not angry at him in the way that I was at one point, you know, But am I dying to rejuvenate his career by having a conversation with him? Because as soon as I started to think about it, I pictured him going home and immediately doing a five hour live stream talking about what we just talked about on the podcast it's going to happen, and then throughout the next week going on ten other podcasts to talk about the fact that he just did a podcast with me.

It might help him heal, It might help him heal. I feel like that's like an open wound of his life because this is the biggest shit that's ever come up for him. Yeah, and he kind of fumbled it, you know, he kind of fucked it up.

I think that there was probably a time period where if Lush had died, I would have just never said anything publicly. Yeah, And now I think that if Lush died, I would probably like tweet rip Lush. So that's growth is growth is a big step, right, So who knows where we might be in six months from now. Maybe I could actually talk to him.

I don't know, would you ever, I don't know about t Rebel, Would you ever entertain bringing ad back on the podcast one day? Because it feels like that's the one in relationship that was I guess as less disrespectful in terms of the commentary back and forth.

Ady kind of yeah, that would probably be plausible. I want to be super shocked by that happening. I think that they're still kind of like ganged up over there, and they just don't I think that probably if Ad did that, everybody else would be looking at him like he was bugging. And I think it's basically like both of us trying to prove that not just both of us like me and a D, but really everybody's kind

Their it up. But soon I'm talking about a year from there, Yeah, yeah, I.

Mean I feel like, honestly, probably someday we'll just like see each other and end up in a conversation or somebody. There's already like people in between us who kind of mentioned it of like I could get you guys on the phone or whatever, And I don't think either of us are super eager to do it. But I also has Wack tried. No, Okay, not so much. Maybe maybe to him. He hasn't really mentioned it to me.

Yeah, I feel like Wax would be the guy who would just be like, I feel like he would do it on camera though. Yeah, I'm gonna call ad right now.

If he didn't do it on camera, he would go in clubhouse and literally just tell everybody every single thing we talked about.

For sure. But is clubhouse still clubhouse?

I feel like it's wax House now. It's just it's just whack and like ten other people, I don't know. He talks about it like it's fucking huge, but I've realistically, like almost never been on there.

I think, is that a pound of mushrooms? Yeah?

I just had to ask if it was like pieces of.

Cardboard or it's obviously mushrooms you put on pizza, not anything. Oh yeah, pizza mushrooms got there? Yeah, I forgot that there. It's a lot of money, yeah, I mean it's not that much.

That would be a weird day right there eating.

All of that. If I that'd be a weird fucking year.

You had a handful of that, I'll be on the moon.

Are you are? Do you doing shrooms at all?

I've done them throughout my life. I haven't done them since they became like.

Normal thing, like you have a microdose or nothing.

I think the last time I did a serious amount of mushrooms was like twenty fifteen.

Oh shit, so it's been a while. That was.

Yeah, since then, Like there's been a couple of times where I took a little candy or whatever, like me and Sada Baby famously had a little funny shroom pod one time. But yeah, I don't know, it was a little freaky to me.

It's don't really good when you did them in twenty fifteen, like were you partying or were you by yourself?

Or the time I remember, like damn, we were in the Bay and we just like there's a bunch of BMX homies and we were just hanging out in this fucking apartment and just smoking like infinite weed and just taking mushrooms and freaking the fuck out and then just going out riding the whole next day. And that was giving my whole life back then.

Just shrooming and riding bikes. I don't know if you should combine those two people take shrooms his pre workouts now that they'll do a micro dose and then they'll go work out.

To me, I get sort of self conscious and fidgeting.

Is this at the gas station? It's called feel Free by the way, this this is this ship is supposed to be like really, it's like supposed to be like fucking opiates, plant based herbal supplement. Bro. They talked about this on Joe Rogan. I bought a bottle because I was gonna try it, and then I read about it, and it's supposed to be like addictive, like opiate, but it's supposed to it's supposed to be like fucking methan a bottle, but it has a like if you take it too much.

It's a method very different.

I understand that. But it's supposed to have you super focused, but the addictive part of it, like you have withdrawals and ship Like Jesse, who used to be with the Nute Boys, was telling me about it. Really He's like, Bro, I don't He's like, I don't know. He took one right before. He's like, I'm addicted to this ship. He's like, I can't live off of them. They're at the fucking gas station.

I miss getting fucked up.

So I mean this ship is like right, it's what's the name of this ship that's in here. Oh Kava leaf and KRETM leaf.

So you're saying, I take that, and I do I take that and focus? Okay, I haven't you took half?

Right? How'd you feel? Weren't you all fucking like I'm taking some kratim. Yeah, it's taking a little so because I guess that shit was illegal for a long time and it became legal and these guys are just fucking These fuckers are just slanging this shit. I just wonder what's worse that or the honey pack or the rhino juice that you get at the game. I've done a honey pack in the rhino juice before. Was it insane? It works? You know? We take Blue Choo over here though,

I hope that my survival isn't based on being able to get a boner on camera by the time of fifty. But yeah, I've never I don't really have many problems on camera so I'm trying not to jinx it by taking ship with the guys.

Do have problems on camera? Do they usually take viagra or do they take like do they well, they do a honeypack. I honestly have no idea.

I actually had a porn start the other day telling me that the honeypack is fire.

It works. Yeah, yeah it doesn't. It tastes fucking disgusting. Really, but they're readily available all over LA at every gas station.

So wow, people giving me that shit all the time. I still never took one.

See. The whole thing is is like I feel like nowadays is more acceptable for younger men to do that shit. I know they're fucking crazy. So I have homies of mine who are like dependent. If they're gonna fuck, they're like, I gotta get a honey pack. I know.

I know dudes who take viagra every time they fuck, and it blows my mind, like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Why would you want to put yourself in that position? So now every time you fuck, it's almost like it's a mental thing that you think you're gonna have to take fucking viagra. Yeah, I was born horny. One of my homie like one of my best friends in the world. He's he has to He goes to Mexico once a month and gets bottles of viagra and like for himself, And I'm like, bro, like that can't be good for your heart.

I don't want to be relying on anything. Marty relyant on fucking coffee and weeds.

So, yeah, are you still dieting? Yeah?

So that's fuck up sometimes, Like I would be in chiseled shape right now for the last six months. I had actually been on it, but instead.

You know, what do you because you were doing like the eggs every morning, and yeah, I've been you lost a lot of weight, eggs and big in every morning for like my whole fucking life.

But then I have like a meal prep place that I use. But then, you know, just fuck up, Like last Saturday, I ate a fucking pint of Ben and Jerry's.

You know I'm opening a pizza restaurant across the street from Porto's, really yeah, and I just know I'm about to You got a bunch of partners on that or how's that look? Just just too okay? Yeah? You know I do. Yeah. Armenian eighty he's one of my partners, and then my guy who's a the pizza man justin not Piazza. I want to open a Schwarmer restaurant out here. I mean there's a lot of those, yeah, but.

I feel like I could do it different because I used to go to, uh, the Hullal trucks.

In New York.

Yeah, and they're so sick and I feel like I've never found I've never found one that captured exactly what made those things.

Open a restaurant and just call it Halal truck. It could be a mortar style.

It's a good brand name. Hell because they have whole All guys out here. I think that's part of the problem. I love the whole All ship, but it's not that popular here.

It's not fucking with New York. No, there's nothing.

If you see one hundred food trucks out here, ninety of them are taco trucks.

One hundred percent. No. If you you were in Austin and they had the Halal trucks on sixth sixth Street, right yeah, Oh really, I haven't had Austin hull all. I mean it's similar to New York. You get the fucking falaful, fucking pedah just to worship that ship. No, that's great now and then if you got do it in the valley, they got a good hall spot now Ensino, that's really good. My Jewish Homi took me there. Ship was fire.

I ordered different hall all places off Postmits from time to time, and I have post mats, ain't it?

Man? Never really hits the way I want it. I feel like nothing on Postmates hits the way you want it to. It's always a little hot or a little fucking cold. It just gets thrown in a bike. I never can do a salad on Postmates.

But there are, okay, there are certain things like, uh, what's it called fucking nachos? You would never want to order nachos on Postmates, right because twenty minutes after the naos come out. Ship is what you do? You turn the oven on while the ship's on the way to you, and then you throw those nachos in the oven.

It depends if you've got sour cream on your nachos. You don't want sour cream in the oven. What's the oven gonna do to the sour kream? Is just gonna crisp sower cream? Cold?

Man? Yeah, No, that's a good point. But you say no sour cream and they put your own sour cream on after or sour cream on the side. Boom, no problem fixed.

Uh you stopped doing a weekly show. Yeah, I saw that. You just said it was taking a break, taking a break.

I've just been like so overwhelmed with doing interviews and we've kind of been between casts where there's not like a super locked in cast on.

Because it was for a while it was just you brick baby baby.

Then whoever, just trying different people, you know, And then I just I look at the goats of doing weekly content or even like academics doing the news or doing the streaming uh stuff and everything, and I just feel like, if I'm gonna do a weekly podcast outside of the Wakwan, which kind of carries itself because we have such energy.

And it's great, great, yeah, but I just if.

I'm gonna do a weekly podcast again, I just really want to be able to put my all into it. And I don't know exactly what that would mean at this point, but I feel like I would need like, like I look at Joe Bunnen in them and like the fact that they just get in that fucking room every day and just work on the conversation between each other. I think that's so sick. I'm just consumed to doing the interview, so I don't really have time to do that.

Otherwise you're getting on Cameron winging it, and I hate that.

I can't stand people who get on camera and then they just start reading Instagram posts off and that's the first time they thought about it. They don't have any information.

Yeah, I think that so that platform like like that style of content. I agree fully, It's like you got to kind of prepare yourself on the way Steven A. Smith or Shanna Sharp does.

Right, And they're lucky because presumably they have a big fucking team around them that helps them come up with shit. If I was gonna do a weekly podcast consistently again, besides the Wax Show, I would just have to be willing to put a lot.

More into it. Yeah.

Yeah.

My whole thing too is like even with interviews, Like my interview style was like I don't I kind of wing it the time. I don't and I'll see the wave. Ladd talks about it, he'd be like, I have my assistant to get notes, I'll do research, and I'm like, you know, I'll do some like loose research, but like I'll kind of know front of lobe. Sometimes I'm like where the convo goes.

Sometimes I'm casual. Sometimes I'm not casual at all.

You know, one comes in here that I know is like a big deal, but I might not necessarily. Yeah, that's when I spent too five. That's when I'm like, Okay, let me dive into this shit.

And I love that shit though, because like even yesterday, I was supposed to do a podcast with a Charlie Kirk who's a fucking uh.

This was on the Whatever podcast.

I was supposed to debate this dude about porn and porn being legal and all.

That kind of sh that name.

Yeah, he's the guy who started turning point in USA, which is like a huge conservative I feel like that. Yeah, okay, And I literally spent five hours before that conversation watching other porn debates on YouTube and just working on what my arguments would be in my head and trying to really figure out, like, okay, if he says this never happened and then the guy bailed at the last minute. But that is the kind of preparation that I like

It's yeah, I got to do that, bro, like that whole fucking there's so much ship that you you talk about or that you're like people you're interviewing. I have, like the Chicago shit dog. I have never ever spent a waking second trying to figure out what's going on in Chicago. But you got all of the fucking I don't know. I just know Dirk's got problems with Duck who died, and his mom's on OnlyFans, and there's the guy with the Jay Maine who's really funny. I don't

Well that was that was Dirk's friend BJ from O Block.

Like, you go back and forth with people online, like recently there was a guy you're just like, I have no fucking clue who they are shout out to AOKD in the tent, No clue who that is. He's a character. Yeah, and he's from Chicago. Yeah, yeah, I just I mean, yeah.

But that's the weird thing about the Chicago stuff is that you can interview some pretty marginal Chicago and it works and it.

Does get a lot of views. Yeah, Like I did you know I had to get hip to what was going on in Jacksonville because I interviewed Julio.

But like that scene in comparison, you have like a h it's more simple to figure out you have a handful of dudes whose views whose videos would do numbers. But like, realistically, most of the tangential characters are just not going to do as well. And in Chicago, it's like.

There's so many sub characters that you could talk to and all that shit, bro, Because I never was into drill music.

Yeah, I don't blame it was never my thing. I like it, but definitely it's it's a lot to bite off.

Like even like, like obviously I played Chief Keif in the club and shit, but like I was never like I understand Chief Keif's significance in culture and his influence on today's generation. I get all of it, but I mean, Chief Keef is ancient history, but it just but even then in twenty twelve thirteen, whenever that was I never like dived into, Like, you know, I remember seeing him get taken to the gun Rangel by Pitchfork, which you know it was way backed in, but I never really

Yeah, that's the general reaction to a huge percentage of the content of that How I do It's just like, who the fuck is this guy? But if you get it, you get it right.

It's like the subjects like yeah, for sure.

That's My problem is that I'm just like deep in so many subcultures. I guess it's not a problem, but I just have like so many little threats.

And you haven't so many, like you have knowledge of all that shit too, So it's like for me, it's the same character. Like if I'm gonna do like some deep research, it's got to be somewhere. I'm like, Okay, this guy's doing numbers, and I really am not fully aware of what's what he's like, you know, the artament was.

Putting the puzzle together and just kind of like figuring out exactly what's going.

Well, the way vladd does it is crazy. It's like art the way he like starts the interview, and it's just like, so in twenty twelve you said this is this in this interview, and uh, it's like.

I'll always be like, Okay, we'll get to that.

We'll get to that later on down because I have the driving this.

Is the clip that I'm making right now, so we'll get to that.

Yeah. I mean it's impressive, and I know he's probably got people helping him with research, and but like you know, I was one of the guys from Vivid Ramna Swami's camp had hit me, and I was like, if I do that interview, I gotta dive in.

Maybe I'm not putting myself in the right circles because no presidential candidates are hitting me out.

Well, I'm trying to get RFK on my ship. Yeah he did so. I the guy keeps inviting me to like his his donor don't really He's like, come come to the donor event or whatever, and I'll see it's like a thousand dollars or something, and I'm like, oh lord, you know, I'm cool, but like, can we get this interview off? Like it'll be on the radio all over the country and on my channel, like you know, but right then, But the Vivid guy, I think that might

We didn't remember his name last time we did this interview.

We didn't. But he's done a good job. Vivid Swamney. Did you see the last debate? I didn't. I don't watched any of those. Now, Bro, that ship was like eight mile Bro really him and the broad Uh, what's your name? Nikki? Haley and then the fat fuck Chris Christie. He's surging.

She has no chance against Trump, but she's gonna be surging for sure. She's like the biggest one besides Trump.

Now, yeah, this is wild, but they were snapping on each other like it was a rap battle. It was so distress. This dude Vivid told Chris Christy to get the fuck off stage and go have a good meal.

Oh my god, I said Jesus, Chris Christy, Really is it? A disgusting human?

Yeah, he's a fat, fat fuck.

I've seen a clip of him drink he's hanging on. He was on the train in the morning coming from Jersey to New York and he had a shamrock shake in his hand, and it's like he did, you're already fucking three hundred and fifty pounds, You're already morbidly obese. You're waking up in the morning and drinking that much sugar. Like there must be so many people around him, like any sane adult who could tell him, right, part of

For sure, just like being an old fuck is.

I know, I look at Chris Christy like you're a fat fuck, but I have.

A heart attack. Shit, I don't know, it's crazy what you just said. I find myself doing that. I mean, I'm thirty six. I know you're a little bit older than me, right forty Yeah, but like I feel like we're kind of both in the same spot where we're looking at our health differently than we used to. And it it equals me judging fat people when I see

Like and through having a kid, I say that all the time, where like my kid she ate McDonald's one time in France with my girl, and then besides that, I mean she just eats healthy shit.

Well, that's what sucks about me. I had my kid when I was eighteen, so I've kind of always just let him do his thing. So now my kid's eighteen years old. But the thing is that he drinks fucking soda all the time. And I try to tell me, you should drink some more fucking water, and he's like, yo, if I've been drinking soda my whole life, fuck you, dad. Like I'm like, bro, drink some fucking water. I drink plenty of water. Stop ordering soda every time we get food. Like,

You know, we feed her the way that we feed ourselves. So it's like, you know, if we order food, even if we order like burgers and shit, it's like we don't even we hide the fries. If we get like desert or anything, we hide all that. So I used to think about the burger.

When I had my kid, I was eating top ramen in an apartment, fucking microwaveol pizzas.

Yeah, I mean, we're not really holding us to a standard that's any different than us. And also we don't want to give her a fucking eating disorder or think that like there's something really scary about different foods and stuff. It's just like your maintenance diet that you're gonna eat in an average week should.

Probably be pretty same. There's just certain shit that like I would used to I used to just fuck a milkshake. I used to. I just would just be like, nah, bro, I just the thought of drinking a milkshake just makes me like be like, that's gonna send me back a month.

I remember there was a time period in my twenties where I would wake up in the morning and eat like a banana, like two bananas, and then I would not eat anything for like seven hours. And then I would eat a whole pizza and then crush a pine of Ben and Jerry's and that was my food for the day. Yeah, and I wondered why I had diarrhea.

That's why, because I'm a person, or if I eat bad, that bowl is getting me too painted, me too pain it. Were you ever a soda guy? No, See, that's the thing. I've always been a fucking I love coca cola man, that's my dad. I like it from time to time too, but I don't really there's a certain shit that like I can't eat unless I have a soda. Like I've never been like that. If I'm getting tacos, if I'm getting a burger a slice of pizza, and I get water,

I just need to constantly be wetting my mouth while I eat.

No me too, I can't eat dry. My wife won't eat, she won't drink it, so she doesne eating.

I don't like it, but I like order popeyea sometimes and it forces you to choose a drink and most of it's like, you know, mango, kool aid or some shit, and I'll get it and just I'll take one sip and then just dump it down the sink because it's just too much.

I'm just not used to that much sugar. For you. Where do you see no jumper going into into the new year? Because you know obviously you're you are, You're doing a lot, man, and I can only assume that, like you're seeing like the type of person who kind of is cognitively aware of when you were not inspired or not into something, because you've said that over the last year. So like there's just times where I'm just like, what am I doing this right now?

I'm just having a good time doing the interviews, which is really why I started No Jumper in the first place.

It's just doing a lot of interviews.

It slowed down for a little bit, but for a while it became like the focus of No Jumper was, Oh, it's a bunch.

Of friends hang up with friends, hanging.

Out talking, and it's like, all right, there's basically like two directions, two primary directions that I could go with No Jumper. I could do interviews and focus on the platform being about interviews and getting more interviews and building up interviewers. Or I could really kind of double down

Yeah. Like if we're just gonna come out here and hang out for fun, yeah, Like I gotta make some money. I got kids. Yeah.

And when I think about what I'm doing in my life, it's like, if I live streamed all of my interviews, right, I would have probably missed out on like, I don't know, like a million dollars this year, or like many hundreds of thousands of dollars, because chopping them into clips and putting them out like that is just so much more beneficial to us than putting them online and having it age restricted or whatever. And it's like, for me, at the end of the day, I would like to do

Remember when Rogan was doing his shit before he went to Spotify, all that shit was live.

A lot of people used to do it live and kind of realized at a certain point that it just wasn't really worth it.

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You've kind of he's also someone who's not really trying to like make money through streaming on YouTube, which we are, like, we have to kind of pay for all our employees and everything by doing that.

So for you, you've I've noticed you've reversed the way you were dropping interviews where you would do you're doing clips now than the full thing. Yeah.

That started because of people like tjf Bezou and fybj Main, where I would pay them for the interview, and then it's kind of like, okay, well, how are we going to make the most money from this, Well, I guess we basically have to drop it in clips before we drop the full thing. And then we started just kind of doing that with everything for a while, and then

Yeah, I'm trying figure out what I'm gonna do with this the NBA Young boyd content I got because we got so much and it's like, hmm, we want to make sure we take advantage of it, you know, because it's a big situation.

Definitely, and knowing that the best moments from your footage with him are going to end up on Twitter getting millions of views that you will not participate in in any way aside from people saying like, oh I saw you in that young boy thing on Twitter.

Yeah, for sure, that's what happened. Every day I get hit with that big boogie clip where he's on my fucking platform and he was talking he said he got paid, like offer ten million dollars to go to college.

I see people always saying like this was the biggest lie I ever told or some shit.

It definitely might have been. So you're you're open to paying people for interviews nowadays? Is that something you because you didn't do that always, right.

I never really did it before, But over time it's kind of like, you know, again, we all have our platforms and you got to look at it as a business and it's like sometimes you know, I'll pay a couple thousand for an interview and make ten thousand or fifteen thousand.

Yeah, like the trade off makes sense, and you're gonna pay for the ones you know you're gonna get your money back on.

And I think it's just only fair because to a certain extent, like, you know, the people are not idiots, like somebody like fybj Main, Like what reason would he have to go do a bunch of podcasts aside from getting paid from him? If he knows, then no jumper is going to make ten thousand dollars off doing an interview with him. He's going to get in there and say I want three, I want four thousand, I want whatever.

And yeah, he hit me right because I DMed him. I was like, Yo, you're funny. Come on the show sometime and he's trying to get bag and he said, hey, man, it's not what I do over here, buddy, but much love to you. But I understand. I say, keep hustling. I am mad at you. Though. Same thing with krit Max. He only got considered paying. He wanted five hundred dollars. But I was like, at the time, he was doing so many interviews, Yeah, what are you gonna ask him this? Right?

Because that's the whole thing with with with Jy Maine is this that like he does content on his own platform as well. He does little interviews with Taste Savage and shit like that, and it's like, well that content he knows exactly how much of that cart that makes, so he could probably go the math and figure out how much.

Money I'm making off of them. So yeah, Like we just did a video of log with mexicanot where we went in murder hogs and helicopter. Yeah, and it did great, but like really like we didn't make money off it, just kind of paid for the trip paid for itself. Yeah, which is fine though because it was a dope video and it brought a bunch of subscribers and it kind of you know, I think it's like the second vlog we've done, because you've been doing blogs forever, I have it.

Yeah, I mean it's good to just do shit in general, Like if I go to you know, I mean, really, if I'm going to go do a vlog, even in like the LA area, even if it's like a day trip, I mean, it's gonna have to make kind of a significant amount of money to cover, like, you know, the film I was obviously my film was were like on salary and shit like that, but like even just having security with you, all of a sudden, then it's like, oh, Okay, this content is costing quite a bit more because you

Year, and now they don't want the back end of the business.

We almost cut our staff in half.

And I mean that might sound come of you guys had thirty three at one point. Yeah.

Wow, well including like lot of hosts and stuff. I actually I'm only saying that because we were just doing Christmas bonuses and I was like, oh, like we have way less heads that we need to take into account. But I mean you got to think about the business that way at a certain point, like am I paying people that aren't producing a return for me?

Are you doing a Christmas party this year? Because last year's just kind of lives in infamy, wasn't I've seen like I saw a video where it was like everybody who's there and then they're gone? Yeah it was it was whoever edited edited did a great job, because I don't think I actually saw it.

I just saw like the first two seconds in the reddit and I was like, I'm not watching this.

I kept scrolling. But you guys are gonna do a no Jumper holiday party this year. It was a little something, Yeah, a little little shindy. Your birthday looked fun. I was on the list and then I wasn't on the list. Really, yeah, you guys invited me, you hit me, and I told you I was coming. I got a text the day of saying you're no longer on the list.

I swear to god, you could have definitely came. I mean the I did hear like a couple other people say that too.

I got a text it was like, thank you, but you're no longer on the list. Really, after I got a TEXTA said you're confirmed on the list, so you would have came otherwise. Yeah, but I'm like, I've had me up, dude. There was a lot of people in that way. Listen, we're not supposed to be I certainly was not tripping, wow, chilled with my kids, but I'm also not the person that's going to bother you.

A few other people told me that that happened where like that because that r is because I could have bothered you were Josh.

But I was like, you know what, I'm not going to fucking show up and be the guy standing outside trying to fucking get in.

I should have just texted me and I would have fixed it for you right away, because that happened with a couple other people, but I didn't know iked.

Like a fucking good shin dig though.

That was probably the best party we ever did. But you know, we're talking about spending a lot of money on shit. I mean we spending like one hundred racks on that party.

And yeah, I mean we you guys had sponsors though.

No, we didn't really get sponsors, just just do it. Like we didn't even bother trying to get alcohol sponsor because that right there, like the alcohol would have been like minus ten or fifteen grand worth of product on you know if we had had a sponsor, but I don't know. And then like the reality show that costs almost one hundred thousand dollars to put together, the rental, paying the talent and the crew insane, and it's like, are you going to be able to make a hundred

So that suck.

But we chose to do that anyway, just because I think it's good to have like a template of look at what we can put together, look at the scale of the productions that.

We can because maybe now you can sell you could be a production company.

That was kind of our was like for the MTV, let's make the fucking kryptmag dating show.

And then he got locked up, Like, damn, the Kryptmac dating Show would have been heat.

A lot of even the comments were suggesting that idea, even though we'd already been talking about it.

It was just such an obvious layup. I think, damn, yeah, are you actively looking for new hosts or is that something where you kind of it's.

Weird, because yes, but a lot of times the economics of it are a little hard to wrap your head around.

I think people think that like what we do just prints a shit ton of money, like no, and it's like, well, it's really not the case.

And I know plenty of people that have started basically like clones of my business and seem to have like a reality check at some point and be like, oh, so we're not gonna make any money and this is gonna be really really fucking difficult. But yeah, like I what the fuck we're saying?

Oh yeah, okay.

So, like the math in my head is like it would be great to put together another at the end of the day, but I mean, what are you gonna like, Especially a lot of the people that I would like to put together in one of these types of podcasts, I would have to.

Like move them to La Okay, okay, so.

Right there, Let's say that you got to pay somebody if they're going to be doing multiple podcasts per week or whatever. What do you got paying like fucking eight ten grand a month that type.

Of shit move somebody to town, yeah, because most people aren't gonna leave their hometown unless it's a really it's to survive in a place.

Like exactly, if I say I'll give you five grand a month to move out here, I mean that's gonna pay for their rent and some food or whatever like. And if they're like a host, like an on camera talent who probably has other opportunities or could just do YouTube on their own, then that doesn't sound that appealing. So you gotta let's say you have to pay everybody ten grand. Let's say I gotta pay ten grand a

But for you guys do so much content because there's no Jumper news every day. Yeah, money through Friday, so it's like a Monday through Friday thing with usually three hosts, right, usually there's three more. But yeah, I mean so yeah, I mean that's your I mean yeah.

That's already like its own thing. But that's good because it gives us a way to test out talent, try people out without having to throw people.

Can you guys repurpose that for a news on Snapchat? Yeah, okay, that makes sense. So it makes a little bit more money that way. Yeah, the Snapchat thing's lit. So thank you for that, brother, thank you. No doubt. Snapchat's great. People don't know. And then I realize now that I like know that Snapchat shows are a thing I'll be like, you know, the most random people have snapchat shows.

And a lot of the snapchat shows are like their old YouTube videos from twenty seventeen, re purchase, repurposed. Yeah, that's what people who make like evergreen content, like the Professor the Basketball Dah Like he told me that his Facebook is his biggest revenue stream, but he makes content that you could see it six years after he filmed.

That it still is. Yeah, he's just hooping.

Even Logan paltol Me, he makes crazy amount of money on Facebook, and it's like he's posting his vogs doing shit that would never that he would never do now, and he's just putting it on Facebook and it still works.

How's your relationship these days with ac Uh? We talk pretty good amount. Yeah, I feel like you guys have an interesting on camera dynamic where you know, he's obviously cool Ad and those guys and right, but he's you know, he's obviously a trailblazer during during the the streaming era, if you will.

It's kind of a funny switch between us because he was kind of like getting involved when Ad and Trel were all them were all there and stuff, and there was a couple of times where he says something like, oh, like, ad, you should be getting paid two hundred grand a year at No Jumper, and that's like obviously he wasn't. So he's kind of like and he's saying, like, I would

And I'm sure he's he's probably going through some of the growing pains you had to go.

I'm sure he's aware that it would be difficult for him to pay any of those hosts twenty thousand dollars a month or whatever. So I think he's he's realizing the same thing that I kind of realized, which is that the whole business model of like I'm gonna pay a bunch of people to just make content on behalf of my brand. I mean, it didn't work for Complex, like they weren't profitable with Joe Budden, and it didn't

So hey shout out to our sponsor King Pom, who's also a sponsor of No Jumper, King Palm Water.

It's good water. Chug it, it's good water. That's my slogan I made up for them now. But like, yeah, King Pom is dope. But I just don't have a lot of belief like I used to always say about No Jumper, like No Jumper needs to be a network.

You know, yeah, he's gone. I mean he's gone through it with trying to launch a network. I mean publicly, he had.

A couple of different shows on there that didn't work out and everything. So I don't have a ton of faith in that. Like obviously we do have like Break and Sharp and they're still doing content on No Jumper and stuff like that. But it's definitely a tricky business to be.

In and right, yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't say I'm like really devoted to like I have to find these hosts and I have to build that more podcast because the business side of it is just hard.

What was for you, is it? Like obviously it has to make sense for you financially to try to recreate the magic on mailros and open a store.

Yeah, I mean I just miss having that sort of spontaneity of just having a spot and being able to do it.

You just shot content there, right I just I think I just saw I just.

Do podcasts there some of the time. Like last well, last week Friday, I went there and did two interviews throughout the day at the spot, and then Sunday I came back in hung out on the block, did two more interviews on the block. So I like just being able to be just like a certain energy to being on Melros And we're right next door to Deska Dub and it is different than it was before because there's

I mean shit, I mean you think about that Jake holmoman you had. That was fucking crazy. You know, he just walked in right.

Like just anything spontaneou is really great for the content.

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There you go. Yeah, damn. I really thought he was a simp and he was just lying Because I didn't watch the interview. I just saw the headline, so I just assume, Oh, he's trying to get out of it. He's probably getting clowned by his homies.

That's funny that a lot of people had that reaction.

But he's yeah, But knowing him, I don't know, no, so yeah, I mean now that I kind of know all that, I feel bad for him though, because him now, I'm not gonna interview him. Yeah.

Him coming on No Jumper ruined every other opportunity that he had to go on all these other podcasts. Like he texted me this morning telling me that he spent three thousand dollars flying in Miami and then Freshman and they canceled on him and they were gonna pay.

I just got paid for my first interview. Have you gotten paid to do an interview? I vlada page.

Well, but like we do like a swap too. I don't even ask him anymore. But there was a couple of times that he gave.

Me to be just man.

But he pays like a decent amount. He he takes credit for that that he started the practice of paying guests.

Yeah, I'm not, but I practice ever come into fourition here.

Yeah, I mean it's nice to get everything just based on your relationships, but at the end of the day, it's like, if you can spend five grand and make ten I.

Really honestly would have paid krit Mak just to just to hang out with him. Yeah, because my bro, my best friend. Shout out to Joe Pete. He born and raised in from fifty fifth Street, born and raised in Burbank, but he's from fifty fifth Street.

There should be a fifty fifth Street doesn't.

Say oh cup And I'm like, bro, shut the fuck up, your little fucking Italian bastard from Burbank. You're not. But I was like, yo, if I pay krip Maak, I'm bringing all the kids from Burroughs High to come in. Fucking all my son's friend groups bring him to the school. I don't know if I could do that. You get in trouble for that. Was like, I appreciate you pulling up. I was always bro shotam twenty two boom boo. Can we show some love to our family at Hard Dean Man.